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dezzzR
10-05-2011, 12:41 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>when will you love him??

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 12:46 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 12:48 PM
BTW, it looks like Ced Benson will live for another week. Just enough to get through the Ray Rice bye week.</P>


I plowed through the "Terror Squad" last week like it was the Canadian army. Now I must defeat Lando this week. </P>

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 12:54 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>


lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.
</P>


There is only one Giants QB that I truly ever loved. And that was Phil Simms. And I will love him until the day I die as my greatest sports hero.</P>


(I did like Randy Johnson a lot though)</P>

lttaylor56
10-05-2011, 12:54 PM
<div class="report">


Giants released CB Brian Williams.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Williams was signed as depth when Terrell Thomas
(ACL) went down for the season in August. He gets replaced by Justin
Tryon, who the Giants signed off the street yesterday.
</div>Just signed him off the street? I hope he's been staying in shape stealing stuff and running from the police.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
its def good, top 15-20 in the AL. It isn't THAT dominate.

And hes also top 4 in strikeouts.
</p>


I feel like that get's washed out by the insane amount of runs the guy scored though.
Strikeouts arent THAT big of a deal in the voting I don't think
Ryan Howard won MVP with more Ks than what Granderson had. Granted he did have a higher average that year, but just saying, it might not matter.</p>

they absolutely are the worst stat to be high in. Because strikeouts are killers. You have NO shot to move runners with strikeouts. Thats why K's are such a highly toted thing when pitchers stats are considered and groundball pitchers don't get as much love

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
<div class="report">


Coach Tom Coughlin hinted that CB Prince Amukamara won't be back until after the Giants' Week 7 bye.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Coughlin said not to even ask about Amukamara until
after the bye week. The No. 19 overall pick's recovery is clearly going
slower than anticipated.
</div>

i would be amazed if week 8 hes playing and really producing. I really would

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 12:58 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>


lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.
</p>


There is only one Giants QB that I truly ever loved. And that was Phil Simms. And I will love him until the day I die as my greatest sports hero.</p>


(I did like Randy Johnson a lot though)</p>elis going to break all of simms records though. again what does eli have to do? another ring?

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 12:58 PM
<DIV class=report>


Coach Tom Coughlin hinted that CB Prince Amukamara won't be back until after the Giants' Week 7 bye.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Coughlin said not to even ask about Amukamara until after the bye week. The No. 19 overall pick's recovery is clearly going slower than anticipated. </DIV>




i would be amazed if week 8 hes playing and really producing. I really would
</P>


He may be playing but producing is highly questionable. A rookie with one day of practice don't tend to make high impact corners.</P>

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>
I was probably never going to use Ryan unless Stafford loses his hot hand. Vick is a better fall back plan than Matt Ryan ( maybe/hopefully ) and I got Nate Washington off waivers which is really beneficial to Sharick cause he has Hasselbeck. I just hope I didn't make a mistake. A thing I loved about Matt Ryan is that he plays the rest of his games in a dome except 1 at Carolina. You definitely have the right kicker. lol

The risk/reward was too great for me to pass this up.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
BTW, it looks like Ced Benson will live for another week. Just enough to get through the Ray Rice bye week.</p>


I plowed through the "Terror Squad" last week like it was the Canadian army. Now I must defeat Lando this week. </p>
I was really hoping he would be out. lol

Jax run D is not too bad though [:|]

Good luck to ya MH. It should have been the final last year but you got Pizz'd on.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>


lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.
</P>


There is only one Giants QB that I truly ever loved. And that was Phil Simms. And I will love him until the day I die as my greatest sports hero.</P>


(I did like Randy Johnson a lot though)</P>


elis going to break all of simms records though. again what does eli have to do? another ring?
</P>


Phil had more heart than any QB I've ever seen. And he was the toughest football player I ever saw as well.</P>


How many QB's would have ever got in Ronny Lott's grill like Phil did?</P>

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
its def good, top 15-20 in the AL. It isn't THAT dominate.

And hes also top 4 in strikeouts.
</p>


I feel like that get's washed out by the insane amount of runs the guy scored though.
Strikeouts arent THAT big of a deal in the voting I don't think
Ryan Howard won MVP with more Ks than what Granderson had. Granted he did have a higher average that year, but just saying, it might not matter.</p>

they absolutely are the worst stat to be high in. Because strikeouts are killers. <u>You have NO shot to move runners with strikeouts.</u> Thats why K's are such a highly toted thing when pitchers stats are considered and groundball pitchers don't get as much love
yea but it doesnt put any runs on the board.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:08 PM
Think of it like this, you have Giants DE. Eli throws a pick and the Seahawks start on our 20 yard line. BOOM 3 and out and we give up the FG. Now the points go down, but u held them to a 3 and out and basically no yardage. It just gives a more realistic view of how well the defense played. Not only that I altered it so that it it isn't a huge increase in scoring vs the default

So yards allowed doesn't come into play right?


exactly. They take the hits on points but it really wasn't on them, so the yards would balance it out. Like I said, a more accurate reading

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.sportsblink.com/product_images/phil-simms-new-york-giants-sports-illustrated-autographed-photograph-3362308.jpg

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u> EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center, scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton. <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats. </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo. And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case. 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically. From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch. besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games. There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing. Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false. Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:10 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:14 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>

no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
BTW, it looks like Ced Benson will live for another week. Just enough to get through the Ray Rice bye week.</p>


I plowed through the "Terror Squad" last week like it was the Canadian army. Now I must defeat Lando this week. </p>

i won't shoot back because i appreciate the knock at the Canadian aarmy

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>


lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.
</p>


There is only one Giants QB that I truly ever loved. And that was Phil Simms. And I will love him until the day I die as my greatest sports hero.</p>


(I did like Randy Johnson a lot though)</p>


elis going to break all of simms records though. again what does eli have to do? another ring?
</p>


Phil had more heart than any QB I've ever seen. And he was the toughest football player I ever saw as well.</p>


How many QB's would have ever got in Ronny Lott's grill like Phil did?</p>why did he get in ronnys face?

eli doesnt have heart?
elis not tough?

its the blonde hair and blue eyes isnt it?

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:16 PM
<span style="font-size: small;">NEWS OF THE DAY #2</span>
The Giants’ No. 2 wideout situation is really interesting and really messy. Mario Manningham (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4654/Mario-Manningham) got benched in Week 4 for running bad routes and dropping balls. We’ve all seen what Victor Cruz (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/6313/Victor-Cruz) can do when given the opportunity on the outside. So what now?

Ideally, the Giants will keep running Cruz opposite Hakeem Nicks (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5136/Hakeem-Nicks)
and kick Manningham into the slot. But they may want to give Manningham
-- who was coming off a concussion -- one more chance to hold on to his
job.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:16 PM
its def good, top 15-20 in the AL. It isn't THAT dominate.

And hes also top 4 in strikeouts.
</p>


I feel like that get's washed out by the insane amount of runs the guy scored though.
Strikeouts arent THAT big of a deal in the voting I don't think
Ryan Howard won MVP with more Ks than what Granderson had. Granted he did have a higher average that year, but just saying, it might not matter.</p>

they absolutely are the worst stat to be high in. Because strikeouts are killers. <u>You have NO shot to move runners with strikeouts.</u> Thats why K's are such a highly toted thing when pitchers stats are considered and groundball pitchers don't get as much love
yea but it doesnt put any runs on the board.


baseball isn't black and white but if u don't move a runner on first then a single just gets them to third instead of scoring. It makes a huge difference not being able to move runners

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:17 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u> EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center, scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton. <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats. </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo. And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case. 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically. From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch. besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games. <u>There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing.</u> Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false. Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?


cooome on i know you dont believe this. grandy has been doing what he did last night alllll year.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:17 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:18 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>


lmao no, im simply asking what does eli have to do to get some mh lovin.
</p>


There is only one Giants QB that I truly ever loved. And that was Phil Simms. And I will love him until the day I die as my greatest sports hero.</p>


(I did like Randy Johnson a lot though)</p>


elis going to break all of simms records though. again what does eli have to do? another ring?
</p>


Phil had more heart than any QB I've ever seen. And he was the toughest football player I ever saw as well.</p>


How many QB's would have ever got in Ronny Lott's grill like Phil did?</p>why did he get in ronnys face?

eli doesnt have heart?
elis not tough?

its the blonde hair and blue eyes isnt it?


lol eli obviously isn't tough, i mean hes only never missed an NFL game

And he obviously has no heart because he never screamed at Brian Dawkins. Hes a coward

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:19 PM
<span style="font-size: small;">NEWS OF THE DAY #2</span>
The Giants’ No. 2 wideout situation is really interesting and really messy. Mario Manningham (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4654/Mario-Manningham) got benched in Week 4 for running bad routes and dropping balls. We’ve all seen what Victor Cruz (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/6313/Victor-Cruz) can do when given the opportunity on the outside. So what now?

Ideally, the Giants will keep running Cruz opposite Hakeem Nicks (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5136/Hakeem-Nicks)
and kick Manningham into the slot. But they may want to give Manningham
-- <u>who was coming off a concussion -- one more chance to hold on to his
job.</u>mario is too explosive to sit on the bench, i dont believe a word of this.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:20 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u> EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center, scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton. <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats. </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo. And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case. 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically. From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch. besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games. <u>There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing.</u> Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false. Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?


cooome on i know you dont believe this. grandy has been doing what he did last night alllll year.


how is it even debatable? Are u suggesting that in every single loss we've had Granderson lack of production in those specific games were never attributed to our losses? LoL, is he Jesus Chris your lord and savior?

Its true about EVERY SINGLE every day player.

Im not saying Granderson hasn't had a great year, but with the average so low and strikeouts so high, he doesn't deserve teh MVP. Very good OBP, but he didn't have the best year out of every player in the AL.

Detroit wouldn't be in the playoffs or have any where near as many wins as they had if they didn't have Verlander

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:20 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u> EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center, scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton. <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats. </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo. And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case. 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically. From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch. besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games. <u>There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing.</u> Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false. Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?


cooome on i know you dont believe this. grandy has been doing what he did last night alllll year.


how is it even debatable? Are u suggesting that in every single loss we've had Granderson lack of production in those specific games were never attributed to our losses? LoL, is he Jesus Chris your lord and savior?

Its true about EVERY SINGLE every day player.

Im not saying Granderson hasn't had a great year, but with the average so low and strikeouts so high, he doesn't deserve teh MVP. Very good OBP, but he didn't have the best year out of every player in the AL.

Detroit wouldn't be in the playoffs or have any where near as many wins as they had if they didn't have Verlander

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:21 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol waht ****in chance did u take? You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
<span style="font-size: small;">NEWS OF THE DAY #2</span>
The Giants’ No. 2 wideout situation is really interesting and really messy. Mario Manningham (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4654/Mario-Manningham) got benched in Week 4 for running bad routes and dropping balls. We’ve all seen what Victor Cruz (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/6313/Victor-Cruz) can do when given the opportunity on the outside. So what now?

Ideally, the Giants will keep running Cruz opposite Hakeem Nicks (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5136/Hakeem-Nicks)
and kick Manningham into the slot. But they may want to give Manningham
-- <u>who was coming off a concussion -- one more chance to hold on to his
job.</u>mario is too explosive to sit on the bench, i dont believe a word of this.


i dont' mind Mario getting a benching as a wake up call. Hes bobbling every ball thats thrown to him. he needs to stop wtih that ****

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:25 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u> EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center, scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton. <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats. </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo. And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case. 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically. From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch. besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games. <u>There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing.</u> Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false. Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?


cooome on i know you dont believe this. grandy has been doing what he did last night alllll year.


how is it even debatable? Are u suggesting that in every single loss we've had Granderson lack of production in those specific games were never attributed to our losses? LoL, is he Jesus Chris your lord and savior?

Its true about EVERY SINGLE every day player.

Im not saying Granderson hasn't had a great year, <u>but with the average so low and strikeouts so high, he doesn't deserve teh MVP.</u> Very good OBP, but he didn't have the best year out of every player in the AL.

Detroit wouldn't be in the playoffs or have any where near as many wins as they had if they didn't have Verlander
now your over reacting. ryan howard....

what al player (besides verlander) had a better year than him? beside average hes at the top of the list or 2nd on every offensive stat

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:28 PM
<span style="font-size: small;">NEWS OF THE DAY #2</span>
The Giants’ No. 2 wideout situation is really interesting and really messy. Mario Manningham (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/4654/Mario-Manningham) got benched in Week 4 for running bad routes and dropping balls. We’ve all seen what Victor Cruz (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/6313/Victor-Cruz) can do when given the opportunity on the outside. So what now?

Ideally, the Giants will keep running Cruz opposite Hakeem Nicks (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/5136/Hakeem-Nicks)
and kick Manningham into the slot. But they may want to give Manningham
-- <u>who was coming off a concussion -- one more chance to hold on to his
job.</u>mario is too explosive to sit on the bench, i dont believe a word of this.


i dont' mind Mario getting a benching as a wake up call. Hes bobbling every ball thats thrown to him. he needs to stop wtih that ****
agreed. he needs to bury his face in the playbook. i saw him run a wrong route last week but to his defense..........he was wide open and no one infront of him.[:)]
i really like him. i hope he turns it around.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:30 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000FF">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:32 PM
I will be so glad when the Yanks get knocked out tomorrow and baseball talk is over!

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 01:36 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


*</p>

really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term.* HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else.* How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I<u> mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs.</u>* EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh.* He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


i was at one of those games, opening day. i think 30 games is so insignificant when compared to 160. yea hes an amazing pitcher, the best pitcher in the league( i think hes better than doc) but thats what the cy youngs for. in may, june, early july when starting pitching was finding its way and NO ONE was hitting and the injuries, it was all granderson whether making crazy catches in center,* scoring runs, cruushing bombs, knocking in ribs.




yea but honestly Granderson average is awful and he strikes out a ton.* <u>Hes probably hurt us in so many situations by not advancing a runner and things of that nature that it does take away from his great stats.* </u>

His average is too low and his strikeouts are too high imo.* And like I said, typically I agree with you about pitchers i just think this year is a special case.* 24 wins? Thats nuts. And it wasn't because of a huge flux of run support. Not to mention the fact that he seemed to always go 7-8 innings typically.* From his dominance, even in losses, he always preserved the bullpen which was able to help them win in games that he didn't even pitch in
hurt us? hes the main reason were in the playoffs. this is baseball, you fail 7 times out of 10 youre considered great. and i forgot to mention he is clutch.* besides average, hes first in the al with ribs, 2nd in the league with hrs, (i remember once upon a time when you said "batting average doesnt tell the whole story, its all about on base%) and an on base% of .364<u>, and 1st in the league with 137 runs.</u> to me, none of verlanders stats can compete with those runs, even his 250 ks. runs are more important than ks imo.

grandys a stud and deserves it.



we play 162 games.* <u>There are def situations that he could of hurt us by not producing.</u> Its too fluid to compare but to say just because he played 150 games he was more valuable is false.* Do you automatically think Brandon Inge is as valuable to the Tigers as Verlander because he played more games?


cooome on i know you dont believe this. grandy has been doing what he did last night alllll year.


how is it even debatable? Are u suggesting that in every single loss we've had Granderson lack of production in those specific games were never attributed to our losses? LoL, is he Jesus Chris your lord and savior?

Its true about EVERY SINGLE every day player.

Im not saying Granderson hasn't had a great year, but with the average so low and strikeouts so high, he doesn't deserve teh MVP. Very good OBP, but he didn't have the best year out of every player in the AL.*

Detroit wouldn't be in the playoffs or have any where near as many wins as they had if they didn't have Verlander
i was of the same mindset as dezzz, which i dont freely admit lol, i didnt like the idea of a pitcher winning but i changed my opinion... even though he only had 30 or so starts the dude faced over 900 batters how many at bats did Granderson or Joey Bats (the real winner) have..

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:38 PM
I will be so glad when the Yanks get knocked out tomorrow and baseball talk is over!
well no ones going to talk about basketball so dont get to excited.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:40 PM
I will be so glad when the Yanks get knocked out tomorrow and baseball talk is over!
well no ones going to talk about basketball so dont get to excited.

If they even play basketball this year. The preseason is canceled and if there is no agreement by Monday the first 2 weeks of the regular season are done...

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:41 PM
<font face="Arial">dezzzR</font> (/members/dezzzR.aspx) </p>


He <u>should </u>win MVP. </p>


I will be pissed if they give the award to Justin Verlander. </p>


</p>




really? why?
cause as amazing as verlanders been hes only played in 30 something games.


well i go by the most literal term. HE may of only played in 30 games but he had more of an effect for his team than anybody else. How many people single handedly have had that effect on their team

I mean honestly, in his 24 wins, in only 4 of them did he give up 3 or more runs. EVen in his losses he always ate up innings which always kept his bullpen fresh. He averaged the most innings per start out of any AL pitcher.

I typically agree, but I think Verlander is the exception


</p>


<u>Granderson</u></p>


Avg .262 </p>
HR 41
RBI 119
Runs 136
SB 25


</p>


<u>Verlander</u></p>


W-L 24-5 </p>
ERA 2.40
K 250
Walks 57
WHIP 0.92


</p>

i have an issue giving anybody MVP that bats .262


RYAN HOWARDS STATS IN 2006:

BA: .313

OBP: .425

HR: 58

RBI: 149

RUNS: 104

SO: 181 (granderson had 169)

now again.... even with the fact he had a couple more strikeouts and no stolen bases Hoawrd TOWERS over Granderson numbers in every other catagory. Come on guy, stop being homers and get real

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:43 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:44 PM
I can't believe Daven released Cutler...

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:47 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:48 PM
I will be so glad when the Yanks get knocked out tomorrow and baseball talk is over!
well no ones going to talk about basketball so dont get to excited.

<u>If they even play basketball this year.</u> The preseason is canceled and if there is no agreement by Monday the first 2 weeks of the regular season are done...
that was the joke. is kobe going to italy?

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 01:48 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</P>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</P>


I think he's actually played well.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:51 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>

lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 01:51 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year.* Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers.* And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
unfortunately Jose had a human like second half to the season so that will hurt him in the voting..

id say its between Ellsbury and Verlander..

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:52 PM
I will be so glad when the Yanks get knocked out tomorrow and baseball talk is over!
well no ones going to talk about basketball so dont get to excited.

<u>If they even play basketball this year.</u> The preseason is canceled and if there is no agreement by Monday the first 2 weeks of the regular season are done...
that was the joke. is kobe going to italy?

<div class="report">


Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported
Friday that Kobe Bryant is still pushing forward in negotiations with
Italian squad Virtus Bologna, following reports that the deal was on the
verge of collapse due to scheduling conflicts.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Some other teams in the Italian league didn't
like the idea of Kobe messing with their schedule (shocker), so now he
is trying to sweeten the pot by coordinating the sharing of Kobe-related
revenues within the league itself. In related news, we would do just
about anything to report on actual basketball.

That last line was funny.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:53 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
unfortunately Jose had a human like second half to the season so that will hurt him in the voting..

id say its between Ellsbury and Verlander..

my one thing that will never really change:

U can't have an MVP on a team that doesn't make the playoffs

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</P>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</P>


I think he's actually played well.</P>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</P>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</P>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</P>

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 01:53 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 01:54 PM
<div class="report">


Ben Roethlisberger will wear a steel-toed shoe in Sunday's game against the Titans.</p>
</div>

Roethlisberger's sprain is near the front of his
left foot. His mobility could very well be compromised and he's playing
behind turnstiles on his offensive line


GO TITANS!

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:54 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford


lol so what chance did u take again?

ur not getting off the hook that easy buddy.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 01:55 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol


no i agree

but bottomline he did have a better year than granderson

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 01:58 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year.* Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers.* And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol
awful way of of evaluating the MVP but its an unfortunate fact..

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:02 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</p>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</p>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</p>

Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:03 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol
awful way of of evaluating the MVP but its an unfortunate fact..

it is and it isn't...

I mean its an individual award and if a guys team doesn't make the playoffs its tpyically because of the other members of the team that he most likely made better...

but again, MVP is more than stats. Its about winning. You have to be in the playoffs to truly win

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 02:12 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol


no i agree

but bottomline he did have a better year than granderson
some things jose did better, some thing grandy did better.

JPizzack
10-05-2011, 02:12 PM
Matt...who do you feel deserves the MVP?

I'm telling you right now, it will not be Verlander. Regardless of how great of a season he had, as i stated before. Even 2 or 3 votes who don't believe in pitcher MVPs...if they dont put him on the ballot, that pitcher WILL NOT win MVP.
it's a game of averages, and average ZERO into a bunch of numbers, and that vote % drops SIGNIFICANTLY. so it's not going to happen.</P>

shocknaweny
10-05-2011, 02:14 PM
STeve Johnson ????</P>


I knew you were going there. I was thinking Eric Decker.</P>


You are as thin as I am. Trying to figure a 4 player trade. Or even 2 for one.</P>


Decker and_______for Best.</P>



That is laughable. lol A waiver pick up MH?
</P>


Brandon LLoyd was a FA pick up last year and was the NFL's leading receiver. Vernon Davis was a waiver pick up in our league the year before and he wasa top 3FF TE that year. Sidney Rice was a waiver pickup by Shocks in 09 and he rode him to the champiuonship.</P>


This is why you are not in our league anymore.</P>




guess u thought this was pizz n not lando lol
</P>


Actually I thought it was Dez. Sorry Lando but you know better not to discount FA picks.</P>


<FONT size=5>Don't forget McFadden was a FA pick last year too</FONT>.</P>


</P>


</P>


nope I drafted him in like the 8th round in 2010 and never got rid of him....</P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:15 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year.* Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers.* And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
cause his team didnt make the playoffs. if your team doesnt make the playoffs, how are you valuable???lol
awful way of of evaluating the MVP but its an unfortunate fact..

it is and it isn't...

I mean its an individual award and if a guys team doesn't make the playoffs its tpyically because of the other members of the team that he most likely made better...

but again, MVP is more than stats. Its about winning. You have to be in the playoffs to truly win
always thought MVP was most valueable to their individual team.. i mean you could look at Tex as much as Granderson as to why the team was good.
Without JB the Jays would have been below Baltimore in standings..

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 02:17 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford


lol so what chance did u take again?

ur not getting off the hook that easy buddy.



I got nothin. lol

The chance that Nasty Nate turns into a top 10 receiver. The chance that Stafford and Vick both have season ending injuries on the same day.

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
****!! did i just call the Yankees good?!?! tneed to break a finger or 2 for that.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
Matt...who do you feel deserves the MVP?

I'm telling you right now, it will not be Verlander. Regardless of how great of a season he had, as i stated before. Even 2 or 3 votes who don't believe in pitcher MVPs...if they dont put him on the ballot, that pitcher WILL NOT win MVP.
it's a game of averages, and average ZERO into a bunch of numbers, and that vote % drops SIGNIFICANTLY. so it's not going to happen.</p>

you asked who I think it should be and my answer is Verlander.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:20 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford


lol so what chance did u take again?

ur not getting off the hook that easy buddy.



I got nothin. lol

The chance that Nasty Nate turns into a top 10 receiver. The chance that Stafford and Vick both have season ending injuries on the same day.


so in the world of reality - u took no chance lol

just admit u robbed him. LOL

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 02:24 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford


lol so what chance did u take again?

ur not getting off the hook that easy buddy.



I got nothin. lol

The chance that Nasty Nate turns into a top 10 receiver. The chance that Stafford and Vick both have season ending injuries on the same day.


so in the world of reality - u took no chance lol

just admit u robbed him. LOL

I didn't rob him. I Meyerbud'd him. I learned from the best, what can I say....

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:27 PM
Welcome aboard Mike Vick...
</p>


I don't get it. You have Matt Stafford. You can only play one of them.</p>

he got vick for a backup QB and 4th receiver. Its a no brainer

Had to take the chance. I would not be surprised if Ryan puts up more points than Vick from here on out but I don't think it will happen...


lol <font color="#0000ff">waht ****in chance did u take? </font>You got a top 3 QB for garbage lol

The chance that he gets knocked out for the year and I have no more QB depth.


uhm, you have Stafford


lol so what chance did u take again?

ur not getting off the hook that easy buddy.



I got nothin. lol

The chance that Nasty Nate turns into a top 10 receiver. The chance that Stafford and Vick both have season ending injuries on the same day.


so in the world of reality - u took no chance lol

just admit u robbed him. LOL

I didn't rob him. I Meyerbud'd him. I learned from the best, what can I say....


thats all i wanted to hear [;)]

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 02:28 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.

JPizzack
10-05-2011, 02:30 PM
Matt...who do you feel deserves the MVP?

I'm telling you right now, it will not be Verlander. Regardless of how great of a season he had, as i stated before. Even 2 or 3 votes who don't believe in pitcher MVPs...if they dont put him on the ballot, that pitcher WILL NOT win MVP.
it's a game of averages, and average ZERO into a bunch of numbers, and that vote % drops SIGNIFICANTLY. so it's not going to happen.</P>




you asked who I think it should be and my answer is Verlander.


</P>


Riiiight....butttt....knowing that doesn't happen....who do you think deserves the AL MVP?</P>

shocknaweny
10-05-2011, 02:30 PM
What trade just happened....Lando got Mike Vick....? does this mean u r interested in trading Matt Stafford ?? oh and trade offered Lando....it is very similiar to what u have proposed before I think u will like it...if not I am going after AJ Green !!

lttaylor56
10-05-2011, 02:31 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</p>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</p>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</p>

Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
Funny-I was thinking the other day that Eli was getting lucky, a few of his balls were getting tipped, double tipped and no interceptions. It's nice to be on that side of the coin for a change.

ny06
10-05-2011, 02:31 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</P>


<U>Granderson</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.262</TD>
<TD>41</TD>
<TD>119</TD>
<TD>.364</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>runs 136</P>


add 25 steals. </P>


<U>Bautista</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.302</TD>
<TD>43</TD>
<TD>103</TD>
<TD>.447</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>


runs 105</P>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </P>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:36 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year.* Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers.* And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</P>


<U>Granderson</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.262</TD>
<TD>41</TD>
<TD>119</TD>
<TD>.364</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>runs 136</P>


add 25 steals. </P>


<U>Bautista</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.302</TD>
<TD>43</TD>
<TD>103</TD>
<TD>.447</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>


runs 105</P>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </P>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </P>ops is all that needs to be put up..
lets leave Defence alone.. JB is a great right feilder with a Cannon for an arm.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO

JPizzack
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
In 1999, the AL MVP race was between Pedro Martinez, and Pudge Rodriguez.

Pedro recieved more than double the first place votes than Pudge did, but since a few voters refused to put pitchers on their ballot, Pedro was essentially moved to 2nd place in the voting.
Law of averages....zeros don't help averages. lol

Another thing that I see a few of you have mentioned is the ability for the "mvp" to lead his team to success. Although I agree Bautista had an MVP season, the Blue Jays are arguably not even a .500 club even with his production, so they definitely take that into consideration. Whether you agree with that or not is irellevant, because it's just how the voters do things....

shocknaweny
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
what was the trade ????????</P>


</P>


vick for Nate Washington ??</P>

ny06
10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</P>


<U>Granderson</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.262</TD>
<TD>41</TD>
<TD>119</TD>
<TD>.364</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>runs 136</P>


add 25 steals. </P>


<U>Bautista</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.302</TD>
<TD>43</TD>
<TD>103</TD>
<TD>.447</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>


runs 105</P>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </P>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </P>


ops is all that needs to be put up.. lets leave Defence alone.. JB is a great right feilder with a Cannon for an arm.</P>


A great right fielder??</P>


Besides loosing weight as of late have you lost your mind as well?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</p>


<u>Granderson</u></p>



<table class="header-stats">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>HR</th>
<th>RBI</th>
<th>OBP</th></tr></thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>.262</td>
<td>41</td>
<td>119</td>
<td>.364</td></tr></tbody></table>runs 136</p>


add 25 steals. </p>


<u>Bautista</u></p>



<table class="header-stats">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>HR</th>
<th>RBI</th>
<th>OBP</th></tr></thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>.302</td>
<td>43</td>
<td>103</td>
<td>.447</td></tr></tbody></table></p>


runs 105</p>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </p>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </p>


go to the ratio of runners on base for each of them cpompared to their stats. Bautista was THE ONLY player on that team lol. IMO, Bautista is more valuable than Granderson., Bautista can play third and OF

shocknaweny
10-05-2011, 02:41 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

<FONT size=4>FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

</FONT>THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO
</P>


</P>


Whomever traded Cam Newton for sexy Rexy is kinda well.....dumb....surprised some of these trades happen in a big money league.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:42 PM
In 1999, the AL MVP race was between Pedro Martinez, and Pudge Rodriguez.

Pedro recieved more than double the first place votes than Pudge did, but since a few voters refused to put pitchers on their ballot, Pedro was essentially moved to 2nd place in the voting.
Law of averages....zeros don't help averages. lol

Another thing that I see a few of you have mentioned is the ability for the "mvp" to lead his team to success. Although I agree Bautista had an MVP season, the Blue Jays are arguably not even a .500 club even with his production, so they definitely take that into consideration. Whether you agree with that or not is irellevant, because it's just how the voters do things....

so because the ******bag writers don't think it should happen that means im wrong?

U asked my opinion and I gave it.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

<font size="4">FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

</font>THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO
</p>


</p>


Whomever traded Cam Newton for sexy Rexy is kinda well.....dumb....surprised some of these trades happen in a big money league.</p>

na they cut Cam newton lol FA wire... OHHH YEAAAA

ny06
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</P>


<U>Granderson</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.262</TD>
<TD>41</TD>
<TD>119</TD>
<TD>.364</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>runs 136</P>


add 25 steals. </P>


<U>Bautista</U></P>



<TABLE class=header-stats>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>AVG</TH>
<TH>HR</TH>
<TH>RBI</TH>
<TH>OBP</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD>.302</TD>
<TD>43</TD>
<TD>103</TD>
<TD>.447</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>


runs 105</P>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </P>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </P>





go to the ratio of runners on base for each of them cpompared to their stats. Bautista was THE ONLY player on that team lol. IMO, Bautista is more valuable than Granderson., Bautista can play third and OF
</P>


You do realize Granderson put up those huge # in the 2 hole right?</P>


His numbers would have blow Bautista's away if he was hitting 3 or 4. </P>


</P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:45 PM
In 1999, the AL MVP race was between Pedro Martinez, and Pudge Rodriguez.

Pedro recieved more than double the first place votes than Pudge did, but since a few voters refused to put pitchers on their ballot, Pedro was essentially moved to 2nd place in the voting.
Law of averages....zeros don't help averages. lol

Another thing that I see a few of you have mentioned is the ability for the "mvp" to lead his team to success. Although I agree Bautista had an MVP season, the Blue Jays are arguably not even a .500 club even with his production, so they definitely take that into consideration. Whether you agree with that or not is irellevant, because it's just how the voters do things....they are 500 no arguing needed... which btw is only 16 games out of 160 worse than the first place team.. my point? dont have one really other than 500 is not as bad as its made to look.

shocknaweny
10-05-2011, 02:45 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

<FONT size=4>FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

</FONT>THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO
</P>


</P>


Whomever traded Cam Newton for sexy Rexy is kinda well.....dumb....surprised some of these trades happen in a big money league.</P>




na they cut Cam newton lol FA wire... OHHH YEAAAA
</P>


</P>


</P>


Schaub and Jonathan Stewart for Matt Stafford ????+</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 02:45 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</P>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</P>


I think he's actually played well.</P>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</P>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</P>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</P>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</P>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>


</P>

JPizzack
10-05-2011, 02:46 PM
In 1999, the AL MVP race was between Pedro Martinez, and Pudge Rodriguez.

Pedro recieved more than double the first place votes than Pudge did, but since a few voters refused to put pitchers on their ballot, Pedro was essentially moved to 2nd place in the voting.
Law of averages....zeros don't help averages. lol

Another thing that I see a few of you have mentioned is the ability for the "mvp" to lead his team to success. Although I agree Bautista had an MVP season, the Blue Jays are arguably not even a .500 club even with his production, so they definitely take that into consideration. Whether you agree with that or not is irellevant, because it's just how the voters do things....

so because the ******bag writers don't think it should happen that means im wrong?

U asked my opinion and I gave it.
</P>


I get it. I'm just saying....if it doesn't(which I'm assuming) happen, then who? lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:47 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
</p>


<u>Granderson</u></p>



<table class="header-stats">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>HR</th>
<th>RBI</th>
<th>OBP</th></tr></thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>.262</td>
<td>41</td>
<td>119</td>
<td>.364</td></tr></tbody></table>runs 136</p>


add 25 steals. </p>


<u>Bautista</u></p>



<table class="header-stats">
<thead>
<tr>
<th>AVG</th>
<th>HR</th>
<th>RBI</th>
<th>OBP</th></tr></thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>.302</td>
<td>43</td>
<td>103</td>
<td>.447</td></tr></tbody></table></p>


runs 105</p>


Besides average and obp, Granderson had similar numbers or better. </p>


You also have to put in account defense, Granderson saves runs with his great ability in centerfield. </p>





go to the ratio of runners on base for each of them cpompared to their stats. Bautista was THE ONLY player on that team lol. IMO, Bautista is more valuable than Granderson., Bautista can play third and OF
</p>


You do realize Granderson put up those huge # in the 2 hole right?</p>


His numbers would have blow Bautista's away if he was hitting 3 or 4. </p>


</p>

the 2 hole is overrated in this discussion because its the 2 hole on the yankees. The whole lineup hits and gets on. So after the first inning that is typically garbage.

GO look at how bad the bluejays are. How many 1-2-3 innings did they start off wtih and leave Bautista leading off the second inning. EVEN in the 2 hole, Granderson had more opportunities. Put Bautista on the yankees in the 2 spot and he would of demolished Granderson numbers. I really like Granderson, but has there ever been an MVP that batted 260?

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:48 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year.* Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers.* And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
<>


go to the ratio of runners on base for each of them cpompared to their stats. Bautista was THE ONLY player on that team* lol.* IMO, Bautista is more valuable than Granderson., Bautista can play third and OF
</P>


You do realize Granderson put up those huge # in the 2 hole right?</P>


His numbers would have blow Bautista's away if he was hitting 3 or 4. </P>


*</P>on the Jays?.. you dont think JB's numbers would also be better with the protection he'd get on the Yanks?

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:49 PM
In 1999, the AL MVP race was between Pedro Martinez, and Pudge Rodriguez.

Pedro recieved more than double the first place votes than Pudge did, but since a few voters refused to put pitchers on their ballot, Pedro was essentially moved to 2nd place in the voting.
Law of averages....zeros don't help averages. lol

Another thing that I see a few of you have mentioned is the ability for the "mvp" to lead his team to success. Although I agree Bautista had an MVP season, the Blue Jays are arguably not even a .500 club even with his production, so they definitely take that into consideration. Whether you agree with that or not is irellevant, because it's just how the voters do things....

so because the ******bag writers don't think it should happen that means im wrong?

U asked my opinion and I gave it.
</p>


I get it. I'm just saying....if it doesn't(which I'm assuming) happen, then who? lol</p>

by default i guess Granderson... cuz u have to make the playoffs.

I would say if u look at Miguel Cabreras numbers they are more impressive than Grandersons

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
.321 BA</P>


105 RBI</P>


32 HR's</P>


39 SB's</P>


All from the lead off position.</P>


We all know who the MVP really is.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:51 PM
I agree bandy. Like I said its just different this year. Verlander had a Nolan Ryan type dominated year. Plus the batters really don't have any SICK SICK SICK numbers. And Dezz, why don't u compare Bautista's numbers vs Grandersons
&lt;&gt;


go to the ratio of runners on base for each of them cpompared to their stats. Bautista was THE ONLY player on that team lol. IMO, Bautista is more valuable than Granderson., Bautista can play third and OF
</p>


You do realize Granderson put up those huge # in the 2 hole right?</p>


His numbers would have blow Bautista's away if he was hitting 3 or 4. </p>


</p>on the Jays?.. you dont think JB's numbers would also be better with the protection he'd get on the Yanks?

yea i agree bandy. Im taking my yankee hat off in this discussion and trying to be a realist...

If you play the what iff game i think that actually hurts Grandersons case

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:52 PM
.321 BA</P>


105 RBI</P>


32 HR's</P>


39 SB's</P>


All from the lead off position.</P>


We all know who the MVP really is.</P>him or Verlander

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:53 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>

if boston made the playoffs he would of def got it

but we all know u gotta be playing post season ball to get this honor

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:53 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>him or Verlander

yea and even still i take Verlander over him

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
.321 BA</P>


105 RBI</P>


32 HR's</P>


39 SB's</P>


All from the lead off position.</P>


We all know who the MVP really is.</P>




if boston made the playoffs he would of def got it

but we all know u gotta be playing post season ball to get this honor
</P>


The standard is that he must be on a contending team. Not a team that makes the playoffs. Only 4 teams make the playoffs in baseball.</P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>him or Verlander

yea and even still i take Verlander over him
its close but i would too

ny06
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
.321 BA</P>


105 RBI</P>


32 HR's</P>


39 SB's</P>


All from the lead off position.</P>


We all know who the MVP really is.</P>


</P>


Yeah let's give the mvp to a player who was part of the worst collapse in major league history in September. </P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Bravo Morehead...</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>




if boston made the playoffs he would of def got it

but we all know u gotta be playing post season ball to get this honor
</p>


The standard is that he must be on a contending team. Not a team that makes the playoffs. Only 4 teams make the playoffs in baseball.</p>

we'll see then. Because i agree if they made the playoffs hes MVP

I guess if he doesn't get it that my case is proven right

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
.321 BA</P>


105 RBI</P>


32 HR's</P>


39 SB's</P>


All from the lead off position.</P>


We all know who the MVP really is.</P>


</P>


Yeah let's give the mvp to a player who was part of the worst collapse in major league history in September. </P>


<FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>Bravo Morehead...</FONT></P>


</P>


Do you know how many women have said this to me?</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 03:03 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>



No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>


</p>

No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>


</p>

Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>


</p>

it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>


</p>

Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:05 PM
1. A true sports dynasty has to be over many years. (at least 10)</P>


2. If you win a championship, your stay the champs until another champ is crowned.</P>


3. The standard for a baseball MVP is generally to be on a contending team.</P>


4. The Yankees are still the scum of the planet.</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 03:06 PM
1. A true sports dynasty has to be over many years. (at least 10)</p>


2. If you win a championship, your stay the champs until another champ is crowned.</p>


3. The standard for a baseball MVP is generally to be on a contending team.</p>


4. The Yankees are still the scum of the planet.</p>

you are in an argumentative mood today aren't you.

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 03:07 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>the only bright spot of your season.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:11 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>



</P>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</P>



</P>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</P>



</P>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</P>



</P>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</P>


</P>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible. This season he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</P>


</P>


In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</P>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</P>

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 03:11 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>


</p>


Yeah let's give the mvp to a player who was part of the worst collapse in major league history in September. </p>


<font color="#ff0000" size="5">Bravo Morehead...</font></p>


</p>


Do you know how many women have said this to me?</p>lmao, and im sure they were just as sarcastic.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:12 PM
1. A true sports dynasty has to be over many years. (at least 10)</P>


2. If you win a championship, your stay the champs until another champ is crowned.</P>


3. The standard for a baseball MVP is generally to be on a contending team.</P>


4. The Yankees are still the scum of the planet.</P>




you are in an argumentative mood today aren't you.
</P>


For 53 years I have woken up in an argumentative mood and gone to bed the exact same way.</P>


Its the genius of Morehead.</P>

lttaylor56
10-05-2011, 03:15 PM
.321 BA</p>


105 RBI</p>


32 HR's</p>


39 SB's</p>


All from the lead off position.</p>


We all know who the MVP really is.</p>


</p>


Yeah let's give the mvp to a player who was part of the worst collapse in major league history in September. </p>


<font color="#ff0000" size="5">Bravo Morehead...</font></p>


</p>


Do you know how many women have said this to me?</p>lmao, and im sure they were just as sarcastic.
lol

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

The Cam newton trade was ridiculous. I think you should have kept Andre but Nicks is ballin. Redskins backfield is getting crazy. I thought you would try and get Torain in our league. S Jax has got to get going soon.

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 03:22 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:27 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>



</P>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</P>



</P>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</P>



</P>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</P>



</P>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</P>


</P>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <U>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</U> This season <U>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</U></P>


<U></U></P>


<U>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</U></P>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</P>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</P>


He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</P>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 03:32 PM
He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</p>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</p>

KG is inconsistent, whenever Eli is calling the plays we do very well.

I think it's also true that KG confuses our own receivers...many many times we've seen Eli throw the ball to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be but the receiver ran a crossing route instead of a go route etc etc.

I'll give you one thing Morehead...perhaps Eli is learning to deal with the receivers mistakes better...

but Eli himself is not throwing the ball more accurately, as you seem to be implying, Eli is consistent...the team around him (especially the OC) are not, THAT is what I see.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:32 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>



</P>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</P>



</P>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</P>



</P>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</P>



</P>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</P>


</P>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <U>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</U> This season <U>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</U></P>


<U></U></P>


<U>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</U></P>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</P>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</P>


WRONG!!!!</P>


He played fully the first 7 games.</P>


After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</P>


Next question!</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:35 PM
He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</P>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</P>




KG is inconsistent, whenever Eli is calling the plays we do very well.

I think it's also true that KG confuses our own receivers...many many times we've seen Eli throw the ball to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be but the receiver ran a crossing route instead of a go route etc etc.

I'll give you one thing Morehead...perhaps Eli is learning to deal with the receivers mistakes better...

but Eli himself is not throwing the ball more accurately, as you seem to be implying, Eli is consistent...the team around him (especially the OC) are not, THAT is what I see.

</P>


I never said he was less accurate last year. I said he made more stupid decisions. This year he has thrown the ball away more, he has taken more sacks and most importantly, he has dumped the ball off better.</P>


If you haven't seen that this year I don't know what you are watching.</P>


He seems to have been able to resist the urge to chuck it into coverage in the face of a pass rush this year.</P>


Which by the way is EXACTLY what TC said publicly that he needs to do in Indy this past February.</P>

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 03:35 PM
is it just me or have the mods been really angry lately.. minus Mod M he's always been *****ly

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 03:46 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games:************** *8 TD's,* 2 Int's.* 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year:* 5 TD's,** 6 Int's.** 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers!* It was KG!** It was the O line!** It was the bushey haired man!* </p>


No Matt.* Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)*</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great.* <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more year*of experience) *and was horrible.</u>* This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u>*</p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better.* Deal with it people.* Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol* you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:47 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>



</P>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</P>



</P>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</P>



</P>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</P>



</P>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</P>


</P>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <U>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</U> This season <U>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</U></P>


<U></U></P>


<U>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</U></P>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</P>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</P>


WRONG!!!!</P>


He played fully the first 7 games.</P>


<U>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</U></P>


Next question!</P>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
</P>


You realize that you are making my point for me. (not as well as me...but still)</P>


You are saying that Nicks was playing great and Smith was still solid. Thats exactly my point. Despite that, Eli's production was lousy after 4 games with 5 TD's and 6 picks.</P>


This season his production is outstanding, making my point that he is playing much better than last season.</P>


Welcome to Morehead's side. (I like it better when you are on the other side)</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 03:49 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</p>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</p>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</p>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</p>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>


</p>

hes making the same throws into coverage that he was making lsat year... the difference is that this year the receivers are making the plays they're paid to do....


truth hurts

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:49 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>



</P>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</P>



</P>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</P>



</P>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</P>



</P>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</P>


</P>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <U>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</U> This season <U>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</U></P>


<U></U></P>


<U>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</U></P>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</P>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</P>


WRONG!!!!</P>


He played fully the first 7 games.</P>


<U>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</U></P>


Next question!</P>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.</P>


You need to follow more closely Bandy.</P>


My point is that Eli is playing better this season. Matt and Daven are saying that he is NOT playing better but the players around him don't suck as much.</P>


To say that Eli isn't playing better this season is to live in a world of fantasy.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 03:51 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</P>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</P>


I think he's actually played well.</P>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</P>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</P>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</P>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</P>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>


</P>




hes making the same throws into coverage that he was making lsat year... the difference is that this year the receivers are making the plays they're paid to do....


truth hurts
</P>


You can argue that the sky is green all you want Matt. It doesn't make it less blue.</P>

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 03:51 PM
I never said he was less accurate last year. I said he made more stupid decisions.

you saw stupid decisions, I saw Receivers running the wrong routes and well thrown passes bouncing off their hands and chest.

this year I see receivers running better routes, a simplification of the play calling, and less mental and physical errors by the receiving crew.

I do not see any notable difference In Eli, he is the most consistent part of our offense and has been for a couple years now, these high interception numbers that you steadfastly put on him and him alone (because of your hate for him as a person I can only assume) are clouding your judgement.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 03:52 PM
1. A true sports dynasty has to be over many years. (at least 10)</p>


2. If you win a championship, your stay the champs until another champ is crowned.</p>


3. The standard for a baseball MVP is generally to be on a contending team.</p>


4. The Yankees are still the scum of the planet.</p>

boston isn't contending. Infact they finished 3rd in their division

#heartbreakhotel

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 03:54 PM
and you may think I took him but don't discredit Sharick. He won the B league last year and has been playing FF forever. He knows his **** so it's not like he didn't think about it. He would not have just given Vick away ( ala Daven ). Still can't believe he let go of Cutler after how much he talked him up.



listen to these moves me and blondie are making that $300 league

FIRST we picked up Cam Newton 4 Rex Grossman

THEN we traded Cam Newton &amp; Maclin 4 Matt Schaub &amp; Andre Johnson

THEN we traded Andre Johnson 4 Hakeem Nicks

NOW it looks like we have a deal done sending Eli &amp; Hightower 4 SJax

AND we're waiting to hear back from our Matt Schaub &amp; Fred Jackson 4 Drew Breez offer

if they all go off our team will look like:

QB: Breez &amp; Romo
RB: McCoy &amp; Rice, SJax, Tolbert
WR: Nicks, Wallace, STevie Johnson, Julio Jones
TE: Jason Witten

LMAOOOOO

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

The Cam newton trade was ridiculous. I think you should have kept Andre but Nicks is ballin. Redskins backfield is getting crazy. I thought you would try and get Torain in our league. S Jax has got to get going soon.


na hightower is going to be the man there with the best stats... the other two are just going to chip at him. And honestly Shanahan lost that game vs the boys by not running him the last two series. The only time they moved the ball for real was when he was in the game

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 03:54 PM
]this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.

if it is a troll I have to give him Credit...a 2-3 year long troll takes some SERIOUS dedication lol.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</p>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</p>


sooo your argument is that Eli has been inconsistant when he turned the corner in the 07 playoffs. But then you say he played legit every year except last year pretty much. This just so happens to be the same year we have a complete overhaul of receivers in our complex system and alot of change.

Dare I say, hes actually pretty consistant with his play and that last year was really th eonly year he statistically doesn't

Do u call Tom Brady inconsistant because he had the 4 INT game last week? Or is just fact that these ELITE QBs don't really have dominating weeks EVERY week.

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
</p>


<u>You realize that you are making my point for me. (not as well as me...but still)</u></p>


<u>You are saying that Nicks was playing great and Smith was still solid. Thats exactly my point. Despite that, Eli's production was lousy after 4 games with 5 TD's and 6 picks.</u></p>


This season his production is outstanding, making my point that he is playing much better than last season.</p>


Welcome to Morehead's side. (I like it better when you are on the other side)</p>smith was also being double teamed. of course you see it that way because youre insane.
how is throwing 3 tds to nicks the first game "lousy"? please tell me

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 03:58 PM
He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</p>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</p>




KG is inconsistent, whenever Eli is calling the plays we do very well.

I think it's also true that KG confuses our own receivers...many many times we've seen Eli throw the ball to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be but the receiver ran a crossing route instead of a go route etc etc.

I'll give you one thing Morehead...perhaps Eli is learning to deal with the receivers mistakes better...

but Eli himself is not throwing the ball more accurately, as you seem to be implying, Eli is consistent...the team around him (especially the OC) are not, THAT is what I see.

</p>


I never said he was less accurate last year. I said he made more stupid decisions. This year he has thrown the ball away more, he has taken more sacks and most importantly, he has dumped the ball off better.</p>


If you haven't seen that this year I don't know what you are watching.</p>


He seems to have been able to resist the urge to chuck it into coverage in the face of a pass rush this year.</p>


Which by the way is EXACTLY what TC said publicly that he needs to do in Indy this past February.</p>

no but specifically those balls against Philly really weren't great passes.. the receivers just did their jobs. Eli did his job by getting it to them and making it catchable but he throws in double coverage alot

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 04:00 PM
Do u call Tom Brady inconsistant because he had the 4 INT game last week?

Solid point, how about it Morehead, is Brady inconsistent now, I'm just trying to get the "morehead" definition of inconsistency.

I mean it's clear you already have your own special definitions for Champions and Dynasty's apparently you have some special version of inconsistency as well...so lets hear it.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:01 PM
is it just me or have the mods been really angry lately.. minus Mod M he's always been *****ly


lol why what happened

i have been avoiding TAGF

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.

ahhh

only if he was trolling

sad part is hes serious

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 04:04 PM
He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</p>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</p>




KG is inconsistent, whenever Eli is calling the plays we do very well.

I think it's also true that KG confuses our own receivers...many many times we've seen Eli throw the ball to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be but the receiver ran a crossing route instead of a go route etc etc.

I'll give you one thing Morehead...perhaps Eli is learning to deal with the receivers mistakes better...

but Eli himself is not throwing the ball more accurately, as you seem to be implying, Eli is consistent...the team around him (especially the OC) are not, THAT is what I see.

</p>


I never said he was less accurate last year. I said he made more stupid decisions. This year he has thrown the ball away more, he has taken more sacks and most importantly, he has dumped the ball off better.</p>


If you haven't seen that this year I don't know what you are watching.</p>


He seems to have been able to resist the urge to chuck it into coverage in the face of a pass rush this year.</p>


Which by the way is EXACTLY what TC said publicly that he needs to do in Indy this past February.</p>

no but specifically those balls against Philly really weren't great passes.. the receivers just did their jobs. Eli did his job by getting it to them and making it catchable but he throws in double coverage alot
whyy.......whaats this?!?!?!
http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/10083882-large.jpg

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:08 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
</p>


You realize that you are making my point for me. (not as well as me...but still)</p>


You are saying that Nicks was playing great and Smith was still solid. Thats exactly my point. Despite that, Eli's production was lousy after 4 games with 5 TD's and 6 picks.</p>


This season his production is outstanding, making my point that he is playing much better than last season.</p>


Welcome to Morehead's side. (I like it better when you are on the other side)</p>

Elis numbers after 4 games this year:
80 for 125, 1060 yards, 64% 8-2 TD to INT

After first 4 games last year:
85 for 132, 1004 yards 65% 5-6 ratio

seems to me like that supports my theory MUCH more

Eli is doing the same **** that he typically does, the receivers are just playing better and not having balls bounce off their hands and run wrong routes.

Also we haven't been getting murdered so Eli would throw some garbage time picks

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:10 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.</p>


You need to follow more closely Bandy.</p>


My point is that Eli is playing better this season. Matt and Daven are saying that he is NOT playing better but the players around him don't suck as much.</p>


To say that Eli isn't playing better this season is to live in a world of fantasy.</p>

he is doing a little bit better no doubt, but NO WHERE near the level your suggesting. He still does alot of things that you have KILLED him for for the past year n a half and u just choose to ignore those things.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:10 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</p>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</p>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</p>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</p>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>


</p>




hes making the same throws into coverage that he was making lsat year... the difference is that this year the receivers are making the plays they're paid to do....


truth hurts
</p>


You can argue that the sky is green all you want Matt. It doesn't make it less blue.</p>

Moorehead u have NOTHING to back ur comments up.

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 04:11 PM
]this has been a wonderfully long troll job by MH, he's so good he's even got Daven to argue against him.. hats off to MH.

if it is a troll I have to give him Credit...a 2-3 year long troll takes some SERIOUS dedication lol.
only one other person that can pull off that move and i'm quoting him.. lol.

for the record i'm not calling either of you a troll.. that wouldnt be nice.

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 04:17 PM
any connection between MH's start into Fantasy Football and the hatred of all things Eli?

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:18 PM
I can't wait to see this in person...

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 04:19 PM
is it just me or have the mods been really angry lately.. minus Mod M he's always been *****ly


lol why what happened

i have been avoiding TAGF
Die Hard and YA been very snarky

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:21 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:25 PM
He already showed he can play this well in 08 and early 09. Until Matt hexed him. Eli is definately what he is. Inconsistent. His career shows it.</p>


I'm hoping that he can usher in an era of more consistent play this season with this good start. But he has had good starts before and faltered.</p>




KG is inconsistent, whenever Eli is calling the plays we do very well.

I think it's also true that KG confuses our own receivers...many many times we've seen Eli throw the ball to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be but the receiver ran a crossing route instead of a go route etc etc.

I'll give you one thing Morehead...perhaps Eli is learning to deal with the receivers mistakes better...

but Eli himself is not throwing the ball more accurately, as you seem to be implying, Eli is consistent...the team around him (especially the OC) are not, THAT is what I see.

</p>


I never said he was less accurate last year. I said he made more stupid decisions. This year he has thrown the ball away more, he has taken more sacks and most importantly, he has dumped the ball off better.</p>


If you haven't seen that this year I don't know what you are watching.</p>


He seems to have been able to resist the urge to chuck it into coverage in the face of a pass rush this year.</p>


Which by the way is EXACTLY what TC said publicly that he needs to do in Indy this past February.</p>

no but specifically those balls against Philly really weren't great passes.. the receivers just did their jobs. Eli did his job by getting it to them and making it catchable but he throws in double coverage alot
whyy.......whaats this?!?!?!
http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/10083882-large.jpg


I honestly had no clue this discussion was going on when I asked that. lol

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com reports that Danny Amendola will miss the rest of the 2011 season with a torn triceps muscle.

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Saints coach Sean Payton announced Wednesday that Marques Colston
(collarbone) is "fully healthy," and his role will increase going
forward.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:32 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.


And THERE IN LIES THE TRUTH!

There were plenty of throws like that last year THAT SHOULD OF been made and weren't. Hell some of them turned into INTs

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 04:34 PM
“The dream team thing is over (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Vick-Time-To-Move-Forward/65ce741a-fae4-4793-b8d1-9f0460e030a5),”
Vick said in an interview with the team’s web site. “Now we just have
to forget about everything that’s happened and take it one game at a
time. That’s what I’ve sensed in the locker room. I sense change.
Nobody’s happy about this.”</p>


Vick said he feels sick about the Eagles’ 1-3 record.</p>


“It’s the worst,” Vick said. “At this level, in a game of this
magnitude, especially for our organization and how hard we’ve worked, it
makes it very difficult. Now the only thing to do is to go out there
and get it worked out.”</p>

HA HA HA HA
</p>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:34 PM
Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com reports that Danny Amendola will miss the rest of the 2011 season with a torn triceps muscle.

****

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Saints coach Sean Payton announced Wednesday that Marques Colston
(collarbone) is "fully healthy," and his role will increase going
forward.

nicccceee

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 04:38 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</P>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <U>Eli is fine with me.</U></P>


when will you love him??
</P>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</P>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</P>


<FONT size=4>FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</FONT></P>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</P>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</P>


I think he's actually played well.</P>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</P>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</P>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</P>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</P>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</P>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</P>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</P>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </P>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</P>


</P>




hes making the same throws into coverage that he was making lsat year... the difference is that this year the receivers are making the plays they're paid to do....


truth hurts
</P>


You can argue that the sky is green all you want Matt. It doesn't make it less blue.</P>




Moorehead u have NOTHING to back ur comments up.
</P>


Really?</P>


This year after 4 games: 8 TD's and 2 Int's.</P>


Last year after 4 games: 5 TD's and 6 Int's.</P>


Last year 2-2. This year 3-1.</P>


Last year's WR's in 1st 4 games . Steve Smith, Manningham and Nicks.</P>


This year's WR's, Victor Cruz, Nicks and Manningham for only 2 games.</P>


</P>


Last year: better running performance</P>


Last year: Kevin Boss as our TE.</P>


Last years WR's were better. Last years O line was better. And yet Eli is magically better through nothing he has done differently according to you.</P>


Your argument is a silly as any you have ever made.</P>

Morehead State
10-05-2011, 04:44 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.
</P>


Thats your argument? One play?</P>


What about the sacks he's taken this year where last year he was chucking the ball into coverage. What about all the dump off passes in the middle of the field that he didn't throw last year.</P>


You guys need to watch the games more closely. The second half of the Rams game he started dumping the ball off. Haven't you seen that?</P>


This is the dumbest argument I've ever had here. the guy has flat played better. He's made better decisions on the field and his productivity is directly reflective of that.</P>


Who in there right mind wouldn't say that Eli has played much better up to this point this year than he did lasy year?</P>


Its friggin insane. Is so obvious for God's sake.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 04:58 PM
Eli has a 105.6 passer rating. I am wearing his Jersey Sunday-he has earned it.


That's right around Brady's right? :P

Morehead must HATE the fact that Eli is doing so well...as the leading member of the "Eli Haters" Fan club and all.
</p>


As long as he's not throwing a lot of stupid picks, <u>Eli is fine with me.</u></p>


when will you love him??
</p>


Is that the new standard? if you don't "love" Eli, you must be an Eli hater.</p>


I will not succumb to the oppression on this MB.</p>


<font size="4">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!</font></p>




no ur a hater because of ur blatant ignorance on his throws and your reasoning...

Eli throws the same "bad balls" as he did last year. Its just the difference of the defense not capitilizing and the our receivers actually making the plays.
</p>


I disagree with you that Eli sucks this year.</p>


I think he's actually played well.</p>




lol it must be hard to be as wrong as u are on this topic

but u keep fighting the good fight sir
</p>


So your view is that Eli isn't playing any better this season than last.</p>


What color is the sky in your world Matt?</p>




Let me break it down to u pappy.

Besides the wrong routes and tipped balls not happening, there was a break down done of balls that should of been intercepted. Other QBs like PEyton statistically got lucky. Eli was actually on top of that list of defenders making plays against him. The truth of the matter is that there have been a couple of balls that could of been picked that that weren't. LUCKY ON ELI.

Eli STILL throws those same tight balls into double and triple coverage, balls you CONSTANTLY killed him for because the plays weren't made. Now that they ARE being made u think Elis made some dramatic jump in his game play. It just shows how out of touch wtih reality you are.

Hell even in talking about the two interceptions he ahd this year, u still tried to put that redskins pick on him and NOT the Rams one. Granted you came back and said the WAsh one wasn't his fault, but u didn't have the right reasoning as WHY it wasn't his fault. Then u give him a pass for the Rams INT? It was a brutal ****in decision and ball. Which makes pretty much makes all of ur previous knocks on Eli baffling.

He is playing better and has taken sacks in a couple of situations in where else other wise he would of tried making a play. BUT STILL, the number of times thats happened isn't nearly as dramatic as ur making it seem.

The funny part is u tried knocking him this year already by saying YOU WANT YOUR QB TO BE A PLAYMAKER. The truth is you don't know if your coming or going and your heavily downplaying the fact that the receivers seem to have a way better grasp of the offense than they did last year. Hell they guy u've been blowing hardcore (not that I wasn't) just got benched because of his inability to run the right routes.

Its time for you to wake up old man
</p>


Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>


</p>




hes making the same throws into coverage that he was making lsat year... the difference is that this year the receivers are making the plays they're paid to do....


truth hurts
</p>


You can argue that the sky is green all you want Matt. It doesn't make it less blue.</p>




Moorehead u have NOTHING to back ur comments up.
</p>


Really?</p>


This year after 4 games: 8 TD's and 2 Int's.</p>


Last year after 4 games: 5 TD's and 6 Int's.</p>


Last year 2-2. This year 3-1.</p>


Last year's WR's in 1st 4 games . Steve Smith, Manningham and Nicks.</p>


This year's WR's, Victor Cruz, Nicks and Manningham for only 2 games.</p>


</p>


Last year: better running performance</p>


Last year: Kevin Boss as our TE.</p>


Last years WR's were better. Last years O line was better. And yet Eli is magically better through nothing he has done differently according to you.</p>


Your argument is a silly as any you have ever made.</p>

hahahaha now its time for the actual truth:

HES STILL THROWING THE SAME KIND OF BALLS.

last years receivers WERE NOT BETTER. The fact is that since Cruz has stepped up he outshined anything STeve Smith did last year.

Go to the dropped balls stat - i notice u haven't mentioned that. Key drops in key situations. Tips that caused turnovers?

Okay then we'll just ignore that.

Hakeem Nicks is head and shoulders above better than what he was last year. The kid really has come into his own.

The myth of not having a tight end is weak. Truth of the matter is that Ballard is on his way to have a 480 yard season with 4 TDs - Boss had 530 and 5. I'd say we're RIGHT on pace in the receiving game to get the same production basically.

Your also heavily down playing the fact that a big part of our offense this year has been the fact that we are involving the RBs in the passing game ALOT more. That makes our receiving core better period. Last year we attemped 20 passes to our backs in the first 4 games, completed 16 for 100 yards on dot

This year we targeted them 31 times for 24 receptions and 200 yards

Thats also a huge push to eli's stats.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:01 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.
</p>


Thats your argument? One play?</p>


What about the sacks he's taken this year where last year he was chucking the ball into coverage. What about all the dump off passes in the middle of the field that he didn't throw last year.</p>


You guys need to watch the games more closely. The second half of the Rams game he started dumping the ball off. Haven't you seen that?</p>


This is the dumbest argument I've ever had here. the guy has flat played better. He's made better decisions on the field and his productivity is directly reflective of that.</p>


Who in there right mind wouldn't say that Eli has played much better up to this point this year than he did lasy year?</p>


Its friggin insane. Is so obvious for God's sake.</p>

the truth of the matter is that the significant difference in his numbers isn't from his minor better play. Its from those around him stepping their games up. That and better play calling by Gilbride to get the RBs more involved.

You actually need to watch those games more closely, because Eli ALWAYS throws into tight spots with double and triple coverages - just like he did last year. Truth of the matter is u always said it was reckless for him to do that and I told you those are throws you have to make as QB. Everybody here has mentioned something about the flaw of your opinion on this. Its sad u choose to keep it going

That specific play is the perfect example because the truth is if its picked you would of killed Eli for that, but since it was a TD all of a suddne "HES REALLY STEPPED HIS GAME UP"

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 05:02 PM
Ha Ha, your ranting!</p>


Eli after 4 games: 8 TD's, 2 Int's. 3-1</p>


Eli after 4 games last year: 5 TD's, 6 Int's. 2-2</p>


But Morehead, it was the recievers! It was KG! It was the O line! It was the bushey haired man! </p>


No Matt. Its better play at QB this season.</p>



</p>


No Morehead, your hate is blinding you, you've even said it yourself, Eli has been our QB for 8 Years now, he's not the one improving anymore (maybe a tiny bit but not anything noticeable)</p>



</p>


Eli is a GOOD QB...has been for years...the interceptions are going down because his RECEIVERS who are young and still have a lot of improving to do...ARE improving.</p>



</p>


it's the simplest and therefore the most likely solution...your HATE just blinds you to the truth.</p>



</p>


Morehead I beg of you...step out of your darkness step into the light...Eli Manning IS a good Quarterback...and he's the leader of our NY Football Giants
</p>


</p>


Explain the WR thing to me because after 4 games in 09 he had MM, SS and Nicks and played great. <u>In '10 he had the same 3 WR's in the first 4 weeks (all obviously with one more yearof experience) and was horrible.</u> This season <u>he has two of them but we substitute a vet (Steve Smith) for a guy who had never caught a pass in the NFL (Victor Cruz) and is playing well again.</u></p>


<u></u></p>


<u>In other words....the objective facts don't support your opinion. (Of course they rarely do)</u></p>


Eli is simply playing better. Deal with it people. Even when I compliment the guy you all argue with me.</p>


no. steve smith, elis favorite target went down at the beginning if 2010.

and tell me if eli has reached his peek and "wont get any better, he is what he is" how can he be playing "well again". youre so contradicting
</p>


WRONG!!!!</p>


He played fully the first 7 games.</p>


<u>After 4 games last year he had 22 catches for 211 yards.</u></p>


Next question!</p>


and what was nicks doing? oh yea balling his *** off. just because smith didnt have 50 catches after 4 games doesnt mean he wasnt elis favorite target. you can bet that healthy colon it hurt our offense when he went down.

and no question was asked. lol you ignore me when i ask questions and then say you answered them when i dont ask one. hahaha youre worse than a gf.
</p>


You realize that you are making my point for me. (not as well as me...but still)</p>


You are saying that Nicks was playing great and Smith was still solid. Thats exactly my point. Despite that, Eli's production was lousy after 4 games with 5 TD's and 6 picks.</p>


This season his production is outstanding, making my point that he is playing much better than last season.</p>


Welcome to Morehead's side. (I like it better when you are on the other side)</p>

Elis numbers after 4 games this year:
80 for 125, 1060 yards, 64% 8-2 TD to INT

After first 4 games last year:
85 for 132, 1004 yards 65% 5-6 ratio

seems to me like that supports my theory MUCH more

Eli is doing the same **** that he typically does, the receivers are just playing better and not having balls bounce off their hands and run wrong routes.

Also we haven't been getting murdered so Eli would throw some garbage time picks
"<font size="6">POWWW!!!"
</font>http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41577_49044263043_6963048_n.jpg

dezzzR
10-05-2011, 05:06 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">"Tomorrow
I got the most important game in my life. I think tomorrow is the time
to do what I've been doing the whole year." – Ivan Nova</span></h6>

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 05:13 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.
</p>


Thats your argument? One play?</p>


What about the sacks he's taken this year where last year he was chucking the ball into coverage. What about all the dump off passes in the middle of the field that he didn't throw last year.</p>


You guys need to watch the games more closely. The second half of the Rams game he started dumping the ball off. Haven't you seen that?</p>


This is the dumbest argument I've ever had here. the guy has flat played better. He's made better decisions on the field and his productivity is directly reflective of that.</p>


Who in there right mind wouldn't say that Eli has played much better up to this point this year than he did lasy year?</p>


Its friggin insane. Is so obvious for God's sake.</p>
Yes, that one play. What is your opinion...

I am not trying to argue with you here, I am generally on your side with this Eli thing...You know that

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 05:14 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">"Tomorrow
I got the most important game in my life. I think tomorrow is the time
to do what I've been doing the whole year." – Ivan Nova</span></h6>
No pressure

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:14 PM
okay okay enough of this. I had enough of having Pappy be senile

Onto THEE game a couple of issues:

1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?

I vote Steves [:)]

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:15 PM
I am curious Morehead...

The throw to Cruz in the Eagles game into double coverage,

Was that a great play by Cruz to get the ball at it's highest point?

or

Was it a throw that the gunslinger should not have made?

You said you want to see him be smarter with the ball and not throw into double coverage. I feel like you would have killed him if it was picked but you are ok with it because it's a TD.
</p>


Thats your argument? One play?</p>


What about the sacks he's taken this year where last year he was chucking the ball into coverage. What about all the dump off passes in the middle of the field that he didn't throw last year.</p>


You guys need to watch the games more closely. The second half of the Rams game he started dumping the ball off. Haven't you seen that?</p>


This is the dumbest argument I've ever had here. the guy has flat played better. He's made better decisions on the field and his productivity is directly reflective of that.</p>


Who in there right mind wouldn't say that Eli has played much better up to this point this year than he did lasy year?</p>


Its friggin insane. Is so obvious for God's sake.</p>
Yes, that one play. What is your opinion...

I am not trying to argue with you here, I am generally on your side with this Eli thing...You know that


he doesn't want to answer because he knows it would completely ruin pretty much everything he said

because he KNOWS that he ALWAYS kills Eli for throws like that but he slipped and used that as an example last week to say Eli's really stepped his game up

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:16 PM
And Daven i sent u two trade offers in my league

let me know what u think

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 05:22 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{"type":1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{"type":3}">"Tomorrow
I got the most important game in my life. I think tomorrow is the time
to do what I've been doing the whole year." – Ivan Nova</span></h6>isnt this the guy the Blue Jays crush? good luck!

i have complete faith the Yanks will role over Tigers thursday.. i'm betting on it.

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 05:30 PM
And Daven i sent u two trade offers in my league

let me know what u think


too ticky tac, If we are gonna make a trade we need to make a trade I'm under the assumption AJ's only gonna be out 3ish weeks also...and I picked up Jones from Green bay for the hold over.

I would like CJ or VJ and I'm willing to give up Blount/Tolbert.

we could do something like AJ/Tolbert for CJ/Jacobs.

I don't want Hightower....he lost the starting job to Torian this week.

I feel like overall AJ/Tolbert will score more points then CJ/Jacobs...so you'd get the better players fantasy wise...but since AJ is missing 3 weeks that's ok with me.


(FYI I value AJ sightly higher then Megatron...but it's close...Tolbert is definetly better then Jacobs Fantasy wise)

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:40 PM
lol no he didn't

only reason Torain was in was because he hurt his shoulder

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 05:41 PM
And Daven i sent u two trade offers in my league

let me know what u think

Going back to the well huh? lol

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:43 PM
And Daven i sent u two trade offers in my league

let me know what u think

Going back to the well huh? lol


na I just need like a 3rd/4th WR

tried to possibly snake Andre, hoping he was down on him

but im fine lol

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 05:50 PM
lol no he didn't

only reason Torain was in was because he hurt his shoulder


yes Hightower hurt his shoulder, Torain ripped it up, Hightower was no big thing, Torain will AT LEAST split evenly with Hightower if Hightower is even healthy to play this week.

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 05:54 PM
And Daven i sent u two trade offers in my league

let me know what u think

Going back to the well huh? lol


lol, I'm still not unhappy about that trade by the way, Marshall and Boldin are doing comparable Moss/Austin and I don't know if you noticed but I'm using Cam Newton whose doing better then Romo anyhow.

I'm just getting romped on by people having good weeks in this league.

I'm 3-1 in the other league im in with matt, tied with Blondie for first :) which is funny cause we are tied for last here lol.

MattMeyerBud
10-05-2011, 05:57 PM
lol no he didn't

only reason Torain was in was because he hurt his shoulder


yes Hightower hurt his shoulder, Torain ripped it up, Hightower was no big thing, Torain will AT LEAST split evenly with Hightower if Hightower is even healthy to play this week.




hes fine

we can add another bet to the list cuz i'll take that action

DavenIII
10-05-2011, 06:00 PM
lol no he didn't

only reason Torain was in was because he hurt his shoulder


yes Hightower hurt his shoulder, Torain ripped it up, Hightower was no big thing, Torain will AT LEAST split evenly with Hightower if Hightower is even healthy to play this week.




hes fine

we can add another bet to the list cuz i'll take that action


25$ here on out Torian will get more Carries then Hightower....I'll write the current carries down in an PM...(looks like you are winning the 200$ bet for the GMB League...that sucks :P)

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 07:19 PM
Since 2007 Eli has the second highest winning % in games decided by 8 points or less. Only his brother has a higher win %.

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 07:30 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture.

patsrule666
10-05-2011, 07:45 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 07:49 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??PATS!! whats happenin.

yah lost to NY06, stupid NYYankees.. New Yorkers are mean

bigblue4417
10-05-2011, 07:54 PM
Whats up people's??
How you doin man? Hopefully well. I can't believe Welker is killin it like that.

Mr Undefeated...who decided to let this guru back in the league anyway? lol

patsrule666
10-05-2011, 08:06 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??PATS!! whats happenin.

yah lost to NY06, stupid NYYankees.. New Yorkers are mean Yeah, especially them ones that have migrated down south...hehe.. Bandy you would be proud of me and my team "Ochos Locos" We are 4-0 and in second place behind Big B...He has a killer team this year and is my pick to win it all......:(

patsrule666
10-05-2011, 08:10 PM
Whats up people's??
How you doin man? Hopefully well. I can't believe Welker is killin it like that.

Mr Undefeated...who decided to let this guru back in the league anyway? lol
Ha, whats up Landon?? My young wideouts are hanging tough for me and TB is killing it this year...I should have had Wes on my team this year, but the damn computor blacked out on me just before that pick.. I think Mr. Bud had something to do with it....

bandwgn86
10-05-2011, 09:05 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??PATS!! whats happenin.

yah lost to NY06, stupid NYYankees.. New Yorkers are mean Yeah, especially them ones that have migrated down south...hehe.. Bandy you would be proud of me and my team "Ochos Locos" We are 4-0 and in second place behind Big B...He has a killer team this year and is my pick to win it all......:(i am proud and i hope you win.. although it does make me sad not route for B to win... hate the name btw ;)

patsrule666
10-05-2011, 09:27 PM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??PATS!! whats happenin.

yah lost to NY06, stupid NYYankees.. New Yorkers are mean Yeah, especially them ones that have migrated down south...hehe.. Bandy you would be proud of me and my team "Ochos Locos" We are 4-0 and in second place behind Big B...He has a killer team this year and is my pick to win it all......:(i am proud and i hope you win.. although it does make me sad not route for B to win... hate the name btw ;)You no like Ochos Locos?? It was done with you in mind. Kind of sort of carrying the torch, if you will.....I would offer to change it if it offends you that much, but the tiny little fact that i am extremely stuperstitious is getting in the way.....

JPizzack
10-05-2011, 10:31 PM
I'm so ****ing poor this pay period....so what's the first thing I do when I get out of work...?
Spend 5 hours at the bar naturally....

the **** is wrong with me?

ny06
10-05-2011, 10:37 PM
I'm so ****ing poor this pay period....so what's the first thing I do when I get out of work...? Spend 5 hours at the bar naturally.... the **** is wrong with me?</P>


http://vinoman.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/homer-simpson-beer.jpg</P>


<U>Wzup patsrule.</U></P>


Bandwgn had this crazy idea that the Blue Jays could be within 5 games of the Yankees. (try not to laugh)</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 01:51 AM
Whats up people's??
How you doin man? Hopefully well. I can't believe Welker is killin it like that.

Mr Undefeated...who decided to let this guru back in the league anyway? lol
Ha, whats up Landon?? My young wideouts are hanging tough for me and TB is killing it this year...I should have had Wes on my team this year, but the damn computor blacked out on me just before that pick.. I think Mr. Bud had something to do with it....
I know I speak for the league when I say this...

Thank God you didn't get him. lol

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 08:43 AM
yeah me! one more day and i'm done with this sig..
although i do dig the little dude in the picture. I'm thinking that you lost some sort of bet??? Whats up people's??PATS!! whats happenin.

yah lost to NY06, stupid NYYankees.. New Yorkers are mean Yeah, especially them ones that have migrated down south...hehe.. Bandy you would be proud of me and my team "Ochos Locos" We are 4-0 and in second place behind Big B...He has a killer team this year and is my pick to win it all......:(i am proud and i hope you win.. although it does make me sad not route for B to win... hate the name btw ;)You no like Ochos Locos?? It was done with you in mind. Kind of sort of carrying the torch, if you will.....I would offer to change it if it offends you that much, but the tiny little fact that i am extremely stuperstitious is getting in the way.....No don't change it. Chad and I broke up and I'm well past the anger stage now i,m onto acceptance so all is good

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 08:46 AM
No more sig!!! FREEEEEEDOM!

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 08:52 AM
I'm so ****ing poor this pay period....so what's the first thing I do when I get out of work...? Spend 5 hours at the bar naturally.... the **** is wrong with me?


<U>Wzup patsrule.</U></P>


Bandwgn had this crazy idea that the Blue Jays could be within 5 games of the Yankees. (try not to laugh)</P>


*</P>uhh we had to go with 5 because someone was being a scared little girl and wouldn't go within 10.. Which I still woulda lost anyways :(

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 09:31 AM
No more sig!!! FREEEEEEDOM!</P>


lol grats.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 09:58 AM
lol no he didn't

only reason Torain was in was because he hurt his shoulder


yes Hightower hurt his shoulder, Torain ripped it up, Hightower was no big thing, Torain will AT LEAST split evenly with Hightower if Hightower is even healthy to play this week.




hes fine

we can add another bet to the list cuz i'll take that action


25$ here on out Torian will get more Carries then Hightower....I'll write the current carries down in an PM...(looks like you are winning the 200$ bet for the GMB League...that sucks :P)


haha however u want to do it... start week 5 and we'll just figure it out from then...

what about if Torrain goes down an injury. Are we going to average carries per game or just straight number?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 09:59 AM
Whats up people's??
How you doin man? Hopefully well. I can't believe Welker is killin it like that.

Mr Undefeated...who decided to let this guru back in the league anyway? lol
Ha, whats up Landon?? My young wideouts are hanging tough for me and TB is killing it this year...I should have had Wes on my team this year, but the damn computor blacked out on me just before that pick.. I think Mr. Bud had something to do with it....

i mind ****ed your computer connection

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 10:10 AM
i mind ****ed your computer connection
</P>


I hope youre wearing a condom, cuz I got a dirty mind.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 10:57 AM
i mind ****ed your computer connection
</p>


I hope youre wearing a condom, cuz I got a dirty mind.</p>


hahaha

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 11:05 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 11:12 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</P>


corny.</P>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</P>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</P>

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 11:15 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</p>


corny.</p>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</p>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</p>Aldo Nova

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 11:17 AM
i mind ****ed your computer connection
</p>


I hope youre wearing a condom, cuz I got a dirty mind.</p>lol

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 11:18 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</p>


corny.</p>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</p>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</p>i was going to say am i a *** or what? lol

ill do my best. just let me know where your all going to be.

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 11:31 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</p>


corny.</p>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</p>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</p>i was going to say am i a *** or what? lol

ill do my best. just let me know where your all going to be.
Are you sure about the super nova? I can't find anything on it.

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 11:32 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</p>


corny.</p>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</p>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</p>i was going to say am i a *** or what? lol

ill do my best. just let me know where your all going to be.
Are you sure about the super nova? I can't find anything on it.
lol no the yankees pitchers name is nova. if a supernova really happened wed all be dead.

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 11:33 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!
</P>


corny.</P>


you gettin dropped off at the game or what, ****face?</P>


I'd pick you up, but that's quite a distance PAST the stadium from my side of things &gt;.&lt;</P>


i was going to say am i a *** or what? lol

ill do my best. just let me know where your all going to be.
</P>


I have no idea yet...I'll let the other ones sort that out.
PM your phone number and I'll message you that morning when we figure our where we gonna be.

That goes for everyone who wants the phone number of the sexiest beast in dutchess county. (that's me btw, *******s)</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 11:45 AM
look whos sitting at number 4 on qb ratings.....
1. rodgers
2. brady
3. brees
4. eli
5. hassaleback/stafford


http://fishing.ws/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Sun-Fishing.jpg

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 11:48 AM
look whos sitting at number 4 on qb ratings.....
1. rodgers
2. brady
3. brees
4. eli
5. hassaleback/stafford



</P>


legittttttt!!</P>


also, way to go stafford and hasselbeck! lol</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 11:55 AM
dezz pm</P>


LT pm</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 11:57 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 11:59 AM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!

Link?

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 12:03 PM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!

Link?
</P>


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=At8kYUQ1XY3EhKI3O62k4AkRvLYF?slug=ap-alds-tigers-yankees</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:03 PM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!

Link?
im talking about ivan nova. lol
the suns not really going to explode....

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:05 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 12:09 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</P>


This is what matters to you? </P>


QB rating?</P>


What the hell Dez.</P>

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 12:16 PM
for the first time in this solar system, theres going to be a super NOVAAAA taaaanight!!!!

Link?
im talking about ivan nova. lol
the suns not really going to explode....
lol-hokie dokie dillio I'm an .........

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 12:17 PM
dezz pm</p>


LT pm</p>PM=Back at ya, plus a text msg.

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:23 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>no, whats the matter with you!!!!

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 12:26 PM
Who's the electrical engineer here, I can't remember, VArick?

I don't know if this can be done, but it sounds logical---I want to connect smoke detectors that are powered by 120v to a 12 volt Honeywell Alarm box. I'm thinking I should be able to do something with the red wire(signal wire) from the 1st smoke in the series and tie it into the box.

Inside the box may require a transduecer, or something that will reduce and convert to 12 v.

Waiting for tech support to get back to me, I have strong feeling this can be done.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 12:27 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</P>


This is what matter to you? </P>


QB rating?</P>


What the hell Dez.</P>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</P>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:27 PM
http://www.barstoolsports.com/nyc/super-page/occupywallstreet-submits-a-list-of-their-official-demands/

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:29 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</p>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</p>he never played bad.

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 12:30 PM
http://www.barstoolsports.com/nyc/super-page/occupywallstreet-submits-a-list-of-their-official-demands/


Whoa , now that's a site.

Reminds me of a report of 44 yr old mother of two who seduced a blind/disabled high school kid and got caught by her husband having sex with him. lmao. Now if that's not a kick in the balls to the husband, I don't know what is.

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:31 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:36 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</p>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</p>

haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:39 PM
http://blog.nj.com/giants_scene/2008/01/game3.JPG
"why doesnt mh like meeee?!?!"

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 12:39 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?</P>


yea man, Iwill throw in for food like last year...im not much of a culinary man myself. lol

and yea I'll bring beer also.</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 12:42 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?no excuse, im trying to find someone.

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 12:42 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?However you feel is the easiest way. Maybe an Excel spreadsheet with assigned items to each indiv.? That takes the burden off of one person having to get everything and get re-imbursed. But either way is fine with me.

How about the grills and stuff? I don't have any of that gear. I have a cooler that fits maybe a 30 pack and some folding chairs.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 12:45 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?</P>


I'm in for dinner.</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 12:48 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</P>


This is what matter to you? </P>


QB rating?</P>


What the hell Dez.</P>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</P>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</P>




haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.
</P>


Hahaha!</P>


What important is that <U>YOU</U> believe it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:54 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</p>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</p>




haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.
</p>


Hahaha!</p>


What important is that <u>YOU</u> believe it.</p>

says the guy who is outnumbered vs his opinion....

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:55 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?no excuse, im trying to find someone.


Daven needs a ticket

ya found someone lol

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:56 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?However you feel is the easiest way. Maybe an Excel spreadsheet with assigned items to each indiv.? That takes the burden off of one person having to get everything and get re-imbursed. But either way is fine with me.

How about the grills and stuff? I don't have any of that gear. I have a cooler that fits maybe a 30 pack and some folding chairs.


yea i don't have a grill either

we need Kase in on this discussion

hes the MASTA GRILLA

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:56 PM
1) Dezz are u really going to pull an excuse and not come

2) how are we going to divy up tailgating responsibilities? Everybody just pay a certain amount for the food and byob?

3) Whose in for dinner the night before and where does everybody want to go?</p>


I'm in for dinner.</p>

steves?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 12:57 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</p>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</p>




haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.
</p>


Hahaha!</p>


What important is that <u>YOU</u> believe it.</p>

anybody that doesn't like Steve's Sizzling Steakhouse loses credibility on anything that person has an opinion on

/end game

#mbudthechamp

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 01:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5QhHm2Nh0&amp;feature=player_embedded

Holy cow! Argintinian Dancing with the stars, I'm going there on my next vacation.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 01:08 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</P>


This is what matter to you? </P>


QB rating?</P>


What the hell Dez.</P>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</P>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</P>




haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.
</P>


Hahaha!</P>


What important is that <U>YOU</U> believe it.</P>




anybody that doesn't like Steve's Sizzling Steakhouse loses credibility on anything that person has an opinion on

/end game

#mbudthechamp
</P>


I'll eat there dip**** but I'm not getting any sauce on my steak. I like my horse meat as is.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 01:15 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!you would ignore your qb having the 4th best qb rating.
</p>


This is what matter to you? </p>


QB rating?</p>


What the hell Dez.</p>


no, whats the matter with you!!!!
</p>


Of course according to you, Matt and Scrappy, he's not playing any better.</p>




haha

The improvement in stats isn't as much due to an improvement in Eli's play but rather the play of those around him.
</p>


Hahaha!</p>


What important is that <u>YOU</u> believe it.</p>




anybody that doesn't like Steve's Sizzling Steakhouse loses credibility on anything that person has an opinion on

/end game

#mbudthechamp
</p>


I'll eat there dip**** but I'm not getting any sauce on my steak. I like my horse meat as is.</p>

lol i was just kidding. Didn't be angry pappy. Its not your fault u dont appreciate the great Maggies Sauce. I'll drink that **** out of the bottle

I mean whatever u guys want to do... what kind of food do u guys want. I know a great italian place i haven't been to in years like 10 minutes away. I do recommend Steaks from Steve's.

Either way we're going to have to figure it out before that day cuz its sat night and we'll need reservations

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 01:21 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?

MattMeyerBud
10-06-2011, 01:36 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet

ny06
10-06-2011, 01:51 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet
</P>


Tell everyone your paying the tab then you will see everyone wake up. </P>


On a more important note, big game tonight. I think Nova will have a strong game. </P>


</P>

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 01:53 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet
</P>


Tell everyone your paying the tab then you will see everyone wake up. </P>


On a more important note, big game tonight. I think Nova will have a strong game. </P>


</P>


</P>


Of course you do.</P>

ny06
10-06-2011, 01:59 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet
</P>


Tell everyone your paying the tab then you will see everyone wake up. </P>


On a more important note, big game tonight. I think Nova will have a strong game. </P>


</P>


</P>


Of course you do.</P>


</P>


When your at your dinner next week, make sure to chew on your steak thoroughly.</P>


You don't want to <U>choke </U>like your Red Sox did...</P>

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 01:59 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet
</p>


Tell everyone your paying the tab then you will see everyone wake up. </p>


On a more important note, big game tonight. I think Nova will have a strong game. </p>


</p>


</p>


Of course you do.</p>your negativity is killing this thread.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 02:04 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet
</P>


Tell everyone your paying the tab then you will see everyone wake up. </P>


On a more important note, big game tonight. I think Nova will have a strong game. </P>


</P>


</P>


Of course you do.</P>


</P>


When your at your dinner next week, make sure to chew on your steak thoroughly.</P>


You don't want to <U>choke </U>like your Red Sox did...</P>


</P>


Thats just mean.</P>

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 02:05 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet

Yeah, I have noticed that to.

Maybe people should just worry about bringing their own food. We could do sandwiches with chips or something that is easy. I can talk to Kase tonight hopefully about what food he is thinking about bringing. Remember how many grills they found last year? lmao

I can help with whatever I can...It would probably be easier to do something without grills but I doubt Kase will let that fly.

You can only ask so many times before people just need to fend for themselves. I know Sharick would be down to throw some money or whatever to.

dezzzR
10-06-2011, 02:11 PM
yea bandy was right, ya has been very "snippy" lately. he was always very nice and polite everyone, even people he didnt agree with

DavenIII
10-06-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm down for dinner, did we not buy tickets in bulk again like last year? and to MMB straight number of carries from here on out...standard 3 game injury clause? (if either back misses 3 games or more from here on out you can drop the bet if you want)

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 02:23 PM
honestly its really annoying that every time i've tried to get **** together for this thing next week that everybody all of a sudden gets quiet

Yeah, I have noticed that to.

Maybe people should just worry about bringing their own food. We could do sandwiches with chips or something that is easy. I can talk to Kase tonight hopefully about what food he is thinking about bringing. <FONT color=#0000ff>Remember how many grills they found last year</FONT>? lmao

I can help with whatever I can...It would probably be easier to do something without grills but I doubt Kase will let that fly.

You can only ask so many times before people just need to fend for themselves. I know Sharick would be down to throw some money or whatever to.
</P>


yea....."found"....lol

Sorry, Matt...got busy at work.
Like I said, I will gladly throw money in for food. If there's an issue for whatever reason, it's fine, Brese and I can fend for ourselves.</P>

JPizzack
10-06-2011, 02:26 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</P>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</P>

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 02:30 PM
Santonio Holmes (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3635/santonio-holmes) on the Patriots defense:”The numbers speak for themselves about how well they’re not playing.”</p>


No argument there. Plaxico Burress (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/19/plaxico-burress)
also brought up some old painful memories for the Patriots defense when
asked about his game-winning touchdown against them in the Super Bowl.</p>


“They had single covered me maybe a handful of times that whole
game,” Burress said. “For them to give me that coverage with that on the
line, I didn’t think they would, but thank you (http://www.csnne.com/pages/landing_patriots?blockID=572882&amp;tagID=138910).”</p>

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 02:31 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</p>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</p>As much as I love a great steak, I have to sa - da - te- passe on the dine!

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 02:33 PM
Santonio Holmes (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3635/santonio-holmes) on the Patriots defense:”The numbers speak for themselves about how well they’re not playing.”</p>


No argument there. Plaxico Burress (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/19/plaxico-burress)
also brought up some old painful memories for the Patriots defense when
asked about his game-winning touchdown against them in the Super Bowl.</p>


“They had single covered me maybe a handful of times that whole
game,” Burress said. “For them to give me that coverage with that on the
line, I didn’t think they would, but thank you (http://www.csnne.com/pages/landing_patriots?blockID=572882&amp;tagID=138910).”</p>What a catch that was---Nicks td pass somewhat reminded me of Plax's this past Sunday--being in Glendale and all.

Morehead State
10-06-2011, 02:37 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</P>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</P>


As much as I love a great steak, I have to sa - da - te- passe on the dine!
</P>


I'm afraid you don't understand...Its mandatory.</P>

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 02:42 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</p>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</p>


As much as I love a great steak, I have to sa - da - te- passe on the dine!
</p>


I'm afraid you don't understand...Its mandatory.</p>

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Morehead State
10-06-2011, 02:45 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</P>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</P>


As much as I love a great steak, I have to sa - da - te- passe on the dine!
</P>


I'm afraid you don't understand...Its mandatory.</P>


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</P>


Well only the best people are going Saturday night. (and Matt too!)</P>

lttaylor56
10-06-2011, 03:02 PM
so for sat night dinner its just me, blondie, lando, pappy, and sharick?

Maybe daven? Anybody else?
</p>


nah man, Saturdays no good for me....I got things to see, people to do....</p>


As much as I love a great steak, I have to sa - da - te- passe on the dine!
</p>


I'm afraid you don't understand...Its mandatory.</p>


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</p>


Well only the best people are going Saturday night. (and Matt too!)</p>Simply the Best--- By kickoff we are going to be at a feverpitch with adrenaline.

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 05:45 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/10/05/1005-efron-reciept-wm.jpg

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 06:36 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/10/05/1005-efron-reciept-wm.jpg100k for some dude named Armand?

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 06:37 PM
yea bandy was right, ya has been very "snippy" lately. he was always very nice and polite everyone, even people* he didnt agree with
pffft! old people!

bigblue4417
10-06-2011, 07:48 PM
<div class="report">


The Cleveland Plain-Dealer's Tony Grossi believes Peyton Hillis will request a trade ahead of the October 18 deadline.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Grossi says contract talks between the Browns
and Hillis are "not going well," and that a trade request is likely the
"next step." It's hard to imagine the Browns cutting ties with one of
their few offensive weapons, though it's become clear they have little
interest in inking their feature back to a lucrative long-term
extension. While Hillis and his third agent in four months desperately
struggle to maintain leverage, the Browns have little motivation to act
on a trade request even if Montario Hardesty looms as a potential
replacement.



I know we have 0 money but he seems like we would be the perfect Giant.
</div>

bandwgn86
10-06-2011, 08:54 PM
<div class="report">


The Cleveland Plain-Dealer's Tony Grossi believes Peyton Hillis will request a trade ahead of the October 18 deadline.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Grossi says contract talks between the Browns
and Hillis are "not going well," and that a trade request is likely the
"next step." It's hard to imagine the Browns cutting ties with one of
their few offensive weapons, though it's become clear they have little
interest in inking their feature back to a lucrative long-term
extension. While Hillis and his third agent in four months desperately
struggle to maintain leverage, the Browns have little motivation to act
on a trade request even if Montario Hardesty looms as a potential
replacement.



I know we have 0 money but he seems like we would be the perfect Giant.
</div>well if we traded Osi.......