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bigblue4417
10-10-2011, 03:40 PM
Had we won today this thread would be bangin. We are all too pissed.
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Ifear its gunna get uglier in the next several weeks. This has the feel of the 03 season.</p>
You better not be a debbie downer next week. I don't want to have to hold you the whole game. We will beat Buffalo. They will miss a game tying FG wide right at the end.

bigblue4417
10-10-2011, 03:42 PM
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Giants RG Chris Snee (concussion) has been released from the hospital.</p>
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As has LS Zak DeOssie (concussion). Snee has been
"sent home to rest." The three-time Pro Bowler will likely miss his
first game since 2004 when the Giants host the Bills this weekend. The
Giants' running game could take a hit. Jim Cordle, signed off the
practice squad just six days ago, is in line to start.

[:|]

We will need the Gunslinger this weekend. Vick got killed by the Buffalo blitz and they got their hands on lots of balls. Buffalo D will be a hot fantasy pick up this week unfortunately.
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DavenIII
10-10-2011, 03:47 PM
I really don't have this dubious/ominous/angry feeling the rest of ya'll do, it's funny, I seem to be the opposite of you guys a lot, when you are all excited I'm worried, when you are all worried I'm excited.

I think Victor Cruz really showed that he can be something big, maybe even a better slot option then Steve Smith was for us in a year or two, I REALLY like out passing game....we just need to get a consistent running game (which we had before so it shouldn't be "that" difficult) and our Offense will be really powerful, our D is still very good compared to other D's around the league...we still have perhaps the best D-line in the NFL.

dezzzR
10-10-2011, 03:52 PM
Had we won today this thread would be bangin. We are all too pissed.
id still be mad. we look like **** against ****ty teams.

byron
10-10-2011, 04:29 PM
I really don't have this dubious/ominous/angry feeling the rest of ya'll do, it's funny, I seem to be the opposite of you guys a lot, when you are all excited I'm worried, when you are all worried I'm excited.

I think Victor Cruz really showed that he can be something big, maybe even a better slot option then Steve Smith was for us in a year or two, I REALLY like out passing game....we just need to get a consistent running game (which we had before so it shouldn't be "that" difficult) and our Offense will be really powerful, our D is still very good compared to other D's around the league...we still have perhaps the best D-line in the NFL.
I'm actually not angry either there are some good things happening Cruz..the tight end playing well, ect...this team can win when they play mistake free football...I think the problem was the pink socks allbeit was for a good cause...;)

DavenIII
10-10-2011, 04:43 PM
I really don't have this dubious/ominous/angry feeling the rest of ya'll do, it's funny, I seem to be the opposite of you guys a lot, when you are all excited I'm worried, when you are all worried I'm excited.

I think Victor Cruz really showed that he can be something big, maybe even a better slot option then Steve Smith was for us in a year or two, I REALLY like out passing game....we just need to get a consistent running game (which we had before so it shouldn't be "that" difficult) and our Offense will be really powerful, our D is still very good compared to other D's around the league...we still have perhaps the best D-line in the NFL.
I'm actually not angry either there are some good things happening Cruz..the tight end playing well, ect...this team can win when they play mistake free football...I think the problem was the pink socks allbeit was for a good cause...;)

Good point about the TE, I'm gonna say this and people are gonna freak out, but it's true.

Ballard is already as good, and maybe even better then, Kevin Boss....He was brought in as a Blocker and has the fundamentals down in that respect...but he's also turned into quite a good receiver surprisingly.

bigblue4417
10-10-2011, 05:31 PM
“To me, if you don’t have an injury that needs surgery or is that
severe, you need to be out there,” Pierce said. “And I don’t really know
and I don’t want to question guys, but if you’re one of the leaders on
the team – which Brandon Jacobs and Justin Tuck are – and you say, ‘You
know what? The Seattle Seahawks, maybe we don’t need to play this game’
and you miss out, that’s what’s going to bite you in the tail.”

Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News got a response (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2011/10/pierce-ing-comments-on-tuck-from-ex-mate) from Tuck.</p>


“Tell Antonio he knows my cell phone number if he has anything to say to me about how I play the game.”</p>

sharick88
10-10-2011, 07:09 PM
67 and Sunny is the early forecast for Thee game.

Awesome! CAN'T WAIT!
Did you get a parking pass? We are all meeting at a Wendys right by the stadium at 8 am. We are going in convoy style. You planning on being there that early? It's going to be a great day.

We are catching a shuttle or a taxi over there. Our hotel is less than a mile away. Hell yeah, I will be there that early. I haven't been up in this piece these past couple of days because I've been getting it in at work to ensure that my office runs smoothly in my absence
PM me your number. Then you can call and find out where we at. You going to bring food or anything or you want to just throw down some cash?

I'll just throw in some cash. I will get you soon enough. I'll just send you my number on fb or whatever

Morehead State
10-10-2011, 10:26 PM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</P>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</P>


What call was it?</P>

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 08:37 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</P>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</P>


What call was it?</P>


</P>


not sure....</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 08:42 AM
I really don't have this dubious/ominous/angry feeling the rest of ya'll do, it's funny, I seem to be the opposite of you guys a lot, when you are all excited I'm worried, when you are all worried I'm excited.

I think Victor Cruz really showed that he can be something big, maybe even a better slot option then Steve Smith was for us in a year or two, I REALLY like out passing game....we just need to get a consistent running game (which we had before so it shouldn't be "that" difficult) and our Offense will be really powerful, our D is still very good compared to other D's around the league...we still have perhaps the best D-line in the NFL.
I'm actually not angry either there are some good things happening Cruz..the tight end playing well, ect...this team can win when they play mistake free football...I think the problem was the pink socks allbeit was for a good cause...;)

Good point about the TE, I'm gonna say this and people are gonna freak out, but it's true.

Ballard is already as good, and maybe even better then, Kevin Boss....He was brought in as a Blocker and has the fundamentals down in that respect...but he's also turned into quite a good receiver surprisingly.


Actually I pretty much agree with your assessment. I don't think Ballard is AS good as Boss, but I think he has a ceiling to be and he is already a WAY more suitable replacement but GOD is he slow lol. Hes actually not been as consistent at blocking as I was expecting

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 08:43 AM
“To me, if you don’t have an injury that needs surgery or is that
severe, you need to be out there,” Pierce said. “And I don’t really know
and I don’t want to question guys, but if you’re one of the leaders on
the team – which Brandon Jacobs and Justin Tuck are – and you say, ‘You
know what? The Seattle Seahawks, maybe we don’t need to play this game’
and you miss out, that’s what’s going to bite you in the tail.”

Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News got a response (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2011/10/pierce-ing-comments-on-tuck-from-ex-mate) from Tuck.</p>


“Tell Antonio he knows my cell phone number if he has anything to say to me about how I play the game.”</p>
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ahhh Antonio - you were great at first but then u became like the rest. Its inevitable

But Tucks neck injury is something that could ruin his career. Jacobs health for the rest of the season is much more important. Although both of their absences were apparently missed. Especially Tuck's

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 08:44 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>

not claling the play dead on the touchdown when Osi was basically behind the tackle when the ball was snapped

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 08:51 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</P>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</P>


What call was it?</P>




not claling the play dead on the touchdown when Osi was basically behind the tackle when the ball was snapped
</P>


ugh I ****ing forgot about that.... </P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 08:56 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>




not claling the play dead on the touchdown when Osi was basically behind the tackle when the ball was snapped
</p>


ugh I ****ing forgot about that.... </p>

yea but I hope its not that....

they still needed a FG to tie and were moving the ball on us like cutting into butter on that whole drive. So even if we HAD that play stop, they would of been 5 yards closer with heavy momentum.

They prob would of burnt more time off the clock as well. I mean we ended up throwing a pick on the 2 yard line but we did have time to drive the ball all the way down field.

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 09:00 AM
</P>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 09:11 AM
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Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</p>

yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 09:27 AM
</P>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</P>




yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year
</P>


good deal.

aaaaand can you just confirm the meeting time again for me? lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 09:28 AM
</p>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</p>




yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year
</p>


good deal.

aaaaand can you just confirm the meeting time again for me? lol</p>

if doors open at 8, i say 745?

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 09:35 AM
</P>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</P>




yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year
</P>


good deal.

aaaaand can you just confirm the meeting time again for me? lol</P>




if doors open at 8, i say 745?

</P>


same place as last time i assume?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 09:36 AM
yea well meet at that wendys

Honestly I am just hearing this Hank Williams Jr interview which was on Fox and Friends. They were even basically calling him a moron while he was saying it.

This is awful lol

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 09:48 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 09:50 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though


oh **** last year?

I don't know

i've blocked it out

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 09:53 AM
(Edit) Nevermind, Wendy's it is then, what time?

How's everyone getting there? I'm probably not gonna have a parking pass myself, we meeting up somewhere and then heading over together? meeting at the Lot? whats the plan?

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 09:57 AM
(Edit) Nevermind, Wendy's it is then, what time?

How's everyone getting there? I'm probably not gonna have a parking pass myself, we meeting up somewhere and then heading over together? meeting at the Lot? whats the plan?
</P>


it's fine...I'll just put you in my center console.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 10:05 AM
(Edit) Nevermind, Wendy's it is then, what time?

How's everyone getting there? I'm probably not gonna have a parking pass myself, we meeting up somewhere and then heading over together? meeting at the Lot? whats the plan?
</p>


it's fine...I'll just put you in my center console.</p>

There's me and then there's a smaller one coming with me :P we might both fit, she'd definitely fit in the console lol.

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:06 AM
</P>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</P>




yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year
</P>


Matt...what can I do? Do we have a grill?</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:08 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</P>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</P>


What call was it?</P>


hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though
</P>


Here's a hint. It was probably the most talked about play in the NFL last year.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 10:14 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>


hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though
</p>


Here's a hint. It was probably the most talked about play in the NFL last year.</p>

from what I can tell the most talked about play in the NFL last year was the Desean Jackson return with almost no time left..that probably cost us the playoffs, but I don't remember a missed call on that play.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:15 AM
</p>


Yo, so what's the verdict with the food situ? I hate being a mooch, but I'm not exactly a culinary chef by any stretch of the imagination, so I really bring nothing to the table besides my inherent ability to buy beer like it's nobody's business!!
lol

So basically i have no issue throwing money down, if I'm not being a pain in the *** to you guys throwin **** together.....up to you.</p>




yea thats how we're gonna do it. Blondie and Kase are working out the food situation because they both are chefs lol so we'll figure out how many people/how much money

keep it byob though. I'll prepared this year
</p>


Matt...what can I do? Do we have a grill?</p>

yea i THINK Kase has that covered.

Honestly i think the goal is just to have blondie n kase do everything and then they'll figure out what to charge people and we'll go from there

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:16 AM
(Edit) Nevermind, Wendy's it is then, what time?

How's everyone getting there? I'm probably not gonna have a parking pass myself, we meeting up somewhere and then heading over together? meeting at the Lot? whats the plan?


745

GAME TIME WHOOOO

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:17 AM
(Edit) Nevermind, Wendy's it is then, what time?

How's everyone getting there? I'm probably not gonna have a parking pass myself, we meeting up somewhere and then heading over together? meeting at the Lot? whats the plan?
</p>


it's fine...I'll just put you in my center console.</p>

There's me and then there's a smaller one coming with me :P we might both fit, she'd definitely fit in the console lol.


if not i'll put my wallet in blondies purse and u guys can go in my pocketttt

btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

LOL jp

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:18 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</P>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</P>


What call was it?</P>


hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though
</P>


Here's a hint. It was probably the most talked about play in the NFL last year.</P>




from what I can tell the most talked about play in the NFL last year was the Desean Jackson return with almost no time left..that probably cost us the playoffs, but I don't remember a missed call on that play.
</P>


That may have been the second most talked about play. Plus we could still have lost that game even if that play didn't happen. Plus you are right, there were no questionable calls.</P>


I'm talking about a call that if reversed, would have put the Giants in the playoffs.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:19 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>


hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though
</p>


Here's a hint. It was probably the most talked about play in the NFL last year.</p>

from what I can tell the most talked about play in the NFL last year was the Desean Jackson return with almost no time left..that probably cost us the playoffs, but I don't remember a missed call on that play.


yea and i'd hardly say THAT was the play that turned our season around

We should of never been in that position

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:21 AM
OK guys, I've been meaning to do this trivia question since the end of last year. Here it is.</p>


With all the ups and downs in the Giants season last year, ONE BAD REF'S CALL, without any doubt, cost the Giants a trip to the playoffs.</p>


What call was it?</p>


hmmmi was going to say it was against the packers but they beat us so bad....
so i guess its the eagles game. not sure what play though
</p>


Here's a hint. It was probably the most talked about play in the NFL last year.</p>




from what I can tell the most talked about play in the NFL last year was the Desean Jackson return with almost no time left..that probably cost us the playoffs, but I don't remember a missed call on that play.
</p>


That may have been the second most talked about play. Plus we could still have lost that game even if that play didn't happen. Plus you are right, there were no questionable calls.</p>


I'm talking about a call that if reversed, would have put the Giants in the playoffs.</p>

honestly u have my stumped

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers


NOTE - whatever it is, i hope it was some bull**** roughing call - just so i can hate these ***** calls even more

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:24 AM
This post is the exact reason why Eli Cultists drive me nuts! My problem has never been Eli. I like him fine but I accept what he is. Its the guys that worship at the altar of Eli. They must be put down.</P>


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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sucks he missed Bradshaw. HIs stats would've been around 1,450 yards 12 Tds and only 3 interceptions which i would equal a QB rating of over 110 and MVP candidate talks......sigh.....</FONT></DIV>
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Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:25 AM
This post is the exact reason why Eli Cultists drive me nuts! My problem has never been Eli. I like him fine but I accept what he is. Its the guys that worship at the altar of Eli. They must be put down.</P>


All he cared about was Eli'stats and nothing about the Giants winning games.</P>


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10-11-2011, 10:26 AM
This post is the exact reason why Eli Cultists drive me nuts! My problem has never been Eli. I like him fine but I accept what he is. Its the guys that worship at the altar of Eli. They must be put down.</p>


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Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:30 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers


NOTE - whatever it is, i hope it was some bull**** roughing call - just so i can hate these ***** calls even more
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This was the play. The ultimate victim was our team. If the TD stood up, the Packers win the division and we beat out the Bears in a tie breaker for the wild card.</P>


The league later said that the TD should have counted.</P>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/09/13/alg_lions_johnson.jpg</P>

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 10:37 AM
Morehead, I now assume that from your previous comment, the call youre referring to, involved the earlier game that day, which since spoiled, meant we HAD to win against GB that day....
However, the game escapes me, thus so does the play in question.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 10:40 AM
WOW, that makes me angry all over again. That play was such a bull**** call.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 10:40 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers


NOTE - whatever it is, i hope it was some bull**** roughing call - just so i can hate these ***** calls even more
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This was the play. The ultimate victim was our team. If the TD stood up, the Packers win the division and we beat out the Bears in a tie breaker for the wild card.</p>


The league later said that the TD should have counted.</p>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/09/13/alg_lions_johnson.jpg</p>

That the play where they ruled Megatron dropped the pass when he clearly didn't?, that was real early (week 1?) I Was talking about it last week, they definitely changed the way they enforce "possession through the whole catch" thing this year because of that call last year.

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 10:41 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers


NOTE - whatever it is, i hope it was some bull**** roughing call - just so i can hate these ***** calls even more
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This was the play. The ultimate victim was our team. If the TD stood up, the Packers win the division and we beat out the Bears in a tie breaker for the wild card.</p>


The league later said that the TD should have counted.</p>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/09/13/alg_lions_johnson.jpg</p>i KNEW it would make me say "ohhhh yeaaa"

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 10:42 AM
ugh, everythign about that was such BS....

I remember watching it, thinking to myself AND hearing everyone on the tv saying the same thing:
"everyone but the refs KNOWS that's a touchdown, clear as day"

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 10:43 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:49 AM
Here's another hint. It didn't involve the Giants.

well then it must of involved the Eagles or the Packers


NOTE - whatever it is, i hope it was some bull**** roughing call - just so i can hate these ***** calls even more
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This was the play. The ultimate victim was our team. If the TD stood up, the Packers win the division and we beat out the Bears in a tie breaker for the wild card.</p>


The league later said that the TD should have counted.</p>


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/09/13/alg_lions_johnson.jpg</p>


ahhh good one

week 1?

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 10:49 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:49 AM
ugh, everythign about that was such BS....

I remember watching it, thinking to myself AND hearing everyone on the tv saying the same thing:
"everyone but the refs KNOWS that's a touchdown, clear as day"</P>


I just thought it was interesting that it was the Giants who paid for it, not the Lions.</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 10:50 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."
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Is that why you kill them? Because they aren't good looking enough?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:53 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 10:54 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."
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Is that why you kill them? Because they aren't good looking enough?</p>im not that shallow.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:55 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P


LOL

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:56 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."


yea nobody tries to do that lololol

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 10:57 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."
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Is that why you kill them? Because they aren't good looking enough?</p>

LMAO

or because they won't change their evil ways? Dezz the religious

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 10:58 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 11:01 AM
Giants D vs Fred Jackson...who wins? Lynch killed us and Jackson is playing great.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 11:06 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."


yea nobody tries to do that lololol


Actually one of the guys in the room did try that crap, Me the Hooker and a couple other guys made fun of him for it....she was "alright" the next morning I went to get breakfast at like 6am when the buffet open in the trop, two more girls asked if me and this other guy i was eating with "needed company" I told them that we had "company" last night they were like "We will do it for cheaper!" I was like, no way that last one was really cheap, and told them what I payed, they said they'd still do it cheaper...and one of those two girls was drop dead gorgeous....but I wasn't about to get another one...at 6AM in the morning, with the rooms full of sleeping drunk guys and the bachelor passed the F out.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 11:06 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1010/nfl_u_manning1x_576.jpg

So, what are we to make of these New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)?
Are they the team that showed so much heart and toughness and poise in
the fourth-quarter comebacks in Philadelphia and Arizona? Or are they
the team that turned the ball over five times and fell asleep on
Sunday's game-deciding touchdown pass by the Seahawks' backup
quarterback? What's the reality here?



Well, how about all of it?



This
is what this year's Giants are -- for better or for worse. They're an
inconsistent team and will remain so, because the construction of their
roster mandates it. They're either too thin or too injured or too green
at too many key spots to just hum along week t0 week like the Packers
and the Patriots and the league's elite teams do. It doesn't mean
they're bad, but it will keep them from being consistent. And being
inconsistent will keep them from being great.



Sunday's game was an amalgamation of worst-case scenarios. When
you're thin at wide receiver, you end up relying on someone like Victor Cruz (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13553/victor-cruz),
who has the raw athletic talent to make brilliant touchdown catches in
the NFL but isn't yet a complete enough NFL receiver to avoid costly
drops. When you're thin at tight end, you have to deal with the growing
pains of a Jake Ballard (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13530/jake-ballard),
who's emerged as a capable end-zone target but also misses blocks that
lead to safeties. When you're down a starting cornerback and a starting
middle linebacker, you end up having communication issues at the back
end of the defense, and out of nowhere Doug Baldwin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14221/doug-baldwin) is running uncovered for the game-winning score.



The offensive line has issues, as we knew it would. There's talent
there, and it's capable of a great game. But games like Sunday's remind
us that Will Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty)'s still a young player, and that David Diehl (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4618/david-diehl), for all his past contributions, is now a flawed one. With center David Baas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8447/david-baas) out and mainstay right guard Chris Snee (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5559/chris-snee) suffering a concussion, uncertainty was the order of the day on the line, and the Giants can't afford that.



Eli Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5526/eli-manning)?
You know what he is. He's tough and good enough to lead the
fourth-quarter comebacks in Weeks 3 and 4, but he's not immune to
mistakes, and the team he has around him simply isn't good enough to
absorb them when they happen. They will win when they play error-free.
They will struggle to win when they don't.



I'd rather have the Giants' problems than the Eagles' problems right
now, and not just because of the difference in the records. The Giants
have shown they have the requisite pride and toughness to overcome their
issues, even if it's for just a week or two, and win games when things
aren't going well. Their coaching staff makes it clear that it doesn't
tolerate mistakes, and has shown the ability to correct and fix them
from one week to the next. The Eagles have not shown pride or toughness,
and have instead shown the ability to lose games when things are going well. The Eagles' coaching staff doesn't appear to have any idea how to correct mistakes from one week to the next.



That said, these Giants retain some fundamental flaws. They have
not, to this point, shown an ability to run the ball or to stop the
other team from doing so. Those aspects of the roster appeared to be
strengths on paper before the season started, but they haven't shown up
as such. If you can't run the ball or stop the run, you're inviting
inconsistency. The Giants need to figure out a way to grind out yards
and stop second-tier backs like Marshawn Lynch (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10456/marshawn-lynch) from doing it with such ease against them.



These Giants are not a bad team by any stretch, but they're not a
great one. They should remain in contention all year in what's shaping
up as a messy division race that lacks a dominant team, and they have as
good a chance as anyone has to win it. But if you're not going to be
surprised when their veteran's toughness delivers wins like the ones in
Philly and Arizona, you shouldn't be surprised when their flaws rise up
and cost them a game against the Seahawks. Those flaws are real, and
they're there, and they're going to be there all year. The Giants'
season will rise and fall on how many times they're able to conceal and
overcome them. So far, it's three out of five, which is not bad at all.

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 11:17 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."


yea nobody tries to do that lololol


Actually one of the guys in the room did try that crap, Me the Hooker and a couple other guys made fun of him for it....she was "alright" the next morning I went to get breakfast at like 6am when the buffet open in the trop, two more girls asked if me and this other guy i was eating with "needed company" I told them that we had "company" last night they were like "We will do it for cheaper!" I was like, no way that last one was really cheap, and told them what I payed, they said they'd still do it cheaper...and one of those two girls was drop dead gorgeous....but I wasn't about to get another one...at 6AM in the morning, with the rooms full of sleeping drunk guys and the bachelor passed the F out.
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where the **** do you guys live where this is normal???

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MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 11:19 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 11:20 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."


yea nobody tries to do that lololol


Actually one of the guys in the room did try that crap, Me the Hooker and a couple other guys made fun of him for it....she was "alright" the next morning I went to get breakfast at like 6am when the buffet open in the trop, two more girls asked if me and this other guy i was eating with "needed company" I told them that we had "company" last night they were like "We will do it for cheaper!" I was like, no way that last one was really cheap, and told them what I payed, they said they'd still do it cheaper...and one of those two girls was drop dead gorgeous....but I wasn't about to get another one...at 6AM in the morning, with the rooms full of sleeping drunk guys and the bachelor passed the F out.


lol i was being sarcastic

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 11:30 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...
you know i always defended our home crowd, but theyre not loud at all.
but then again how many times can you get rowdy about a 3 and out just to have our d give up a first down? id be surprised if the giants have 10 3 and outs this whole year.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 11:33 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...
you know i always defended our home crowd, but theyre not loud at all.
but then again how many times can you get rowdy about a 3 and out just to have our d give up a first down? id be surprised if the giants have 10 3 and outs this whole year.


how do u know? Do u go to games?

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 11:37 AM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 11:39 AM
btw, which cost more? The escort or the tickets???

Never payed for an "escort" but did buy a hooker for a friend down in AC for a bachelor party, the answer for that would be the Tickets are more expensive :P
iv always wanted to try one but get nervous they wont be good looking.
and if she was really good looking i see myself trying to talk her out of being a hooker, and telling her to do something with her life, but in a nice way so shed be like "you know what i am better than this, you saved me, free blowis for life."


yea nobody tries to do that lololol


Actually one of the guys in the room did try that crap, Me the Hooker and a couple other guys made fun of him for it....she was "alright" the next morning I went to get breakfast at like 6am when the buffet open in the trop, two more girls asked if me and this other guy i was eating with "needed company" I told them that we had "company" last night they were like "We will do it for cheaper!" I was like, no way that last one was really cheap, and told them what I payed, they said they'd still do it cheaper...and one of those two girls was drop dead gorgeous....but I wasn't about to get another one...at 6AM in the morning, with the rooms full of sleeping drunk guys and the bachelor passed the F out.
</p>


where the **** do you guys live where this is normal???

</p>

I was in AC during that story, they were inside the Tropicana, they are always all over the place down there.

And I thought you were being sarcastic Matt but I wasn't sure :P

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 11:42 AM
how do u know? Do u go to games?

LOL How did Dezzz get his Z's back I thought we were calling him De now?

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 11:53 AM
Matt, I forgot to send check for the ticket. I hope its OK if I give you the cash on Saturday.

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:01 PM
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edit: this was in the forum

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<div id="dsq-comment-text-326054665" class="dsq-comment-text">"I'd like to Lion top
of her, Packer with my Giant Redskin, &amp; then Ram her Brown 49 times or so
until my Titan was more than I could Bear, and my Jet flew out like Patriot
Eagles all over the Saint. Then I'd Chief like a Cowboy, Raider some more, &amp;
then make sure no one else tried to Steeler, by throwin' her a few Bills."</div></div>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:02 PM
Matt, I forgot to send check for the ticket. I hope its OK if I give you the cash on Saturday.

yea thats fine

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:03 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:06 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:10 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and if we never lost a game period we'd always been in the playoffs

when its on the line u have to win... thats the only realistic comment about it

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:13 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and if we never lost a game period we'd always been in the playoffs

when its on the line u have to win... thats the only realistic comment about it
and i agree. but you also HAVE to win the "easy" games. if you dont youre setting yourself up for MUST win games at the end of the season.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:13 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:15 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and if we never lost a game period we'd always been in the playoffs

when its on the line u have to win... thats the only realistic comment about it
and i agree. but you also HAVE to win the "easy" games. if you dont youre setting yourself up for MUST win games at the end of the season.


no, you have to win the games that advance you

there are no easy games. This is the NFL. Every ****ty team is a couple of plays away from having a sick record and winning their division.

When its on the line and you don't perform, you need not look anywhere else

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:27 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:28 PM
LT - did you listen to Howard today?

Rosie was great and the prank call to the religious playce that talks in tongues is ****ing hilarious

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:34 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:40 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 12:40 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</P>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</P>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:42 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.

So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 12:43 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</p>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</p>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</p>

no federal case, just a debate

ya know - the point of messageboards

but regardless, i could care less

Nothing trumps the Eagles game with how we lost and what was knowingly on the line

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 12:46 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</P>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</P>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</P>




no federal case, just a debate

ya know - the point of messageboards

but regardless, i could care less

Nothing trumps the Eagles game with how we lost and what was knowingly on the line
</P>


I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 12:49 PM
I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.

I thought the forums were nothing but a platform for you to spread the Eli hate.

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 12:51 PM
I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.

I thought the forums were nothing but a platform for you to spread the Eli hate.
</P>


I like Eli. Its the Cultists who bug me. I accept him for what he is. A pretty good QB.</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 12:53 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 12:55 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</P>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</P>

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 12:56 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
yea, we can beat the skins....i think

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:00 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</p>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</p>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</p>




no federal case, just a debate

ya know - the point of messageboards

but regardless, i could care less

Nothing trumps the Eagles game with how we lost and what was knowingly on the line
</p>


I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.</p>

no these message boards are here to talk football

how u let urself come off as is your own issue

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:00 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</p>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</p>

go Rexy

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 01:00 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</P>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</P>


</P>


I can get on board with that....

I dont see the skins lasting when it counts.</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 01:04 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</P>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</P>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</P>




no federal case, just a debate

ya know - the point of messageboards

but regardless, i could care less

Nothing trumps the Eagles game with how we lost and what was knowingly on the line
</P>


I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.</P>




no these message boards are here to talk football

how u let urself come off as is your own issue
</P>


Really? Talk football?</P>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</P>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</P>

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 01:05 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<u>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</u>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 01:06 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</P>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</P>




go Rexy
</P>


**** it....I'm throwing deep....</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 01:09 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<U>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </U>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<U>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</U>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.
</P>


Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 01:14 PM
Really? Talk football?</p>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</p>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</p>

That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 01:17 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Tickets Bought, I'm sitting in Section 307 Row 13 seats 1&amp;2

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:22 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.


even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
</p>


I'm just saying that if we did exactly what we did and the ref made the right call we would have been in the playoffs.</p>


Don't make a friggin federal case out of it.</p>




no federal case, just a debate

ya know - the point of messageboards

but regardless, i could care less

Nothing trumps the Eagles game with how we lost and what was knowingly on the line
</p>


I thought the point of the message boards was to call Morehead an Eli hater.</p>




no these message boards are here to talk football

how u let urself come off as is your own issue
</p>


Really? Talk football?</p>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</p>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</p>

no thats moorehead hiking his skirt up and acting like a woman

(i'll +1 myself on that)

Truth of the matter is that Moorehead really isn't being truthful with himself. Just because the results are different this year, doesn't mean that Eli is playing THAT much better.

We've all told you that the interception stat from last year was completely inflated and you were being ridic about it. So far Eli has had 2 of his 5 Interceptions where I say it cost us and was his fault.

Sorry but Beatty not getting the block (for whatever reason) vs the Skins was not on Eli. The play is designed like that

Cruz slipping is not Eli's fault.

And then the garbage time pick at the end of the game when it was over is just for the stat hounds.

ALOT of catches this year still have characteristics of plays you KILLEd eli for like not being accurate and placing the ball perfectly, not having good form on throws, throwing into crowds - ALL OF THESE THINGS STILL HAPPEN but all of a sudden you think Eli is playing head and shoulders better

Truth is, im not even sure hes really TAKING those sacks like you think he is - i just don't think hes having a choice but to do that otherwise. And the level of play of our WRs is MUCH better this year. No offense but the play of Cruz these past two weeks overshadows Smith and Mario's performances for the most part last year. In reality I think we have a better receiving game than last year. Ballard is doing exactly what Boss did for us, the RBs are more involved, Nicks has progressed, Cruz and Mario are equal if not better than the performance of Smith and Mario last year (so far)

byron
10-11-2011, 01:24 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<U>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </U>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<U>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</U>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.
</P>


Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>that would have changed more than just the giants reality and maybe upset the balance of the universe

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:24 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<u>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</u>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.


all games are important. IF we had won the Tenn game, then Minny would of been that game is all im saying. Regardless its going to come down to you HAVING to win a game with the playoffs on the line (unless by lucky chance ur able to back in, which is rare). We didn't show up to play for the two most important games of the year. Your not going to win every game your suppose to, its unrealistic and if your team can't win the games that define their future then who cares baout anything else. We would of been 1 and done anyway imo.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:26 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<u>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</u>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.
</p>


Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

now back to reality

either way we didn't show up when it was all on the line. If we couldn't close one of those games out then who gives a ****. We couldn't compete with playoff teams in a playoff type game...

we didn't deserve it and there was NO game we should of won more than the Philly game. I don't care how good or bad Tenn was. The game we still should of won by no contect is that second Philly game

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:26 PM
Really? Talk football?</p>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</p>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</p>

That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.


ya know..., maybe he isn't serious and he fooled me,

Maybe he is just daven'ing?

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 01:31 PM
Really? Talk football?</p>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</p>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</p>

That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.


ya know..., maybe he isn't serious and he fooled me,

Maybe he is just daven'ing?


I think it was Byron who recognized that and brought it up previously....classic "long troll" I seriously doubt it though...I don't believe Morehead has that type of dedication to trolling, I could be wrong though.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:32 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 01:32 PM
Tickets Bought, I'm sitting in Section 307 Row 13 seats 1&amp;2
</P>


I forget where exactly my tickets are, but im pretty sure im like last row of the 300s or something probably. lol. awful.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:34 PM
ya know Pappy- that really is an awful way to look at things

**** is always going to happen, there will always be ups and there will always be downs.

Every team has their own fortune in their own hands. Every year the whole season boils down to a couple of moments within our control and we **** the bed in those moments.

Had we not choked away a 21 point lead in less than 7 minutes we would have made the playoffs and the Packers would not have.

That Eagles game was the failure of our season and nail in the coffin.

The Titans game at home is another one that comes to mind.

Our worst games are always at home, why is that? We have 0 home field advantage...


na, week 3 loss is just part of the ride

if ur playing poker and you lose a big hand early and are short stacked for the whole game but then u end up heads up and go all in and lose - do u blame the early hand for the loss or the hand that had all the chips in the middle?

Bottom line Eagles was the first moment we blew and Packers were the second moment we blew. That was that
yea but if we win that game were in the playoffs.in football every game is just as important as the next, expect division.


again there is up and down to every season. There has been only one perfect season ever.

Bottom line we essentially lost two playoff games when we knew it was all in the line before the playoffs even started
100% agreed but if we won the titans game, like we should have, we wouldnt of been in that situation. if the season comes down to a game late in the season again and we loose, im going to look at the redskins game and the seahawks game.


and honestly thats a stupid outlook

we controlled our own destiny and had two games of knowing that and lost both of them...

your unrealistic
actually im being very realistic. its simple add and subtract. the only reason why the eagles and greenbay were important games is because we lost easier games we should have won in the beginning of the season.

<u>
even if we won that game it would of meant that the Minnisota game was the game with everything pushed in the middle. </u>The Tenn game STILL wouldn't of been the game. Your hindsight is jdaded
huh? if we won the titans game we would of been 11-5, making the playoffs.

if we just miss the playoffs again, how can you not look back at games like the redskins and the seahawks??????


yes

and the game we would of had to show up for knowing everything was on the line would of been the Minny game.
<u>
So we STILL would of been in by controlling our own destiny.</u>

It doesn't matter when you get the chance to put urself in, its moot. When the time comes and its on the line you have to win. Tennesee game meant nothing. Had we won it, then the important game would of been Minny
im not disagreeing with that in anyway. all im saying is all games are important, but easy games should be must wins. reskins, seahawks games can severely hurt our chances of making the playoffs, especially with the opponents we play in the second of of the season. every game is big its its own way. thats all im saying.
</p>


Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>that would have changed more than just the giants reality and maybe upset the balance of the universe

LMAO

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 01:36 PM
I feel as though as Morehead is amidst the greatest long-con troll in internet history, and we are just waiting for him to admit it.....
maybe at the game....

byron
10-11-2011, 01:39 PM
Really? Talk football?</P>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</P>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</P>




That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.


ya know..., maybe he isn't serious and he fooled me,

Maybe he is just daven'ing?


I think it was Byron who recognized that and brought it up previously....classic "long troll" I seriously doubt it though...I don't believe Morehead has that type of dedication to trolling, I could be wrong though.
not me it BW...MH likes to instigate,provoke and stir the pot not saying that in a bad way. Zig zag man..figuring out when he is doing it is the trick or maybe not ...lol</P>


its all in fun</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:40 PM
Really? Talk football?</p>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</p>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</p>

That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.


ya know..., maybe he isn't serious and he fooled me,

Maybe he is just daven'ing?


I think it was Byron who recognized that and brought it up previously....classic "long troll" I seriously doubt it though...I don't believe Morehead has that type of dedication to trolling, I could be wrong though.
not me it BW...MH likes to instigate,provoke and stir the pot not saying that in a bad way. Zig zag man..figuring out when he is doing it is the trick or maybe not ...lol

lol yea hes doing that now, but hes just doing it while keeping his views in front

btw big B, u still got time to come down. THEE GAME THIS WEEK

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 01:47 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</p>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</p>


</p>


I can get on board with that....

I dont see the skins lasting when it counts.</p>
I thought I wanted the Eagles but after reading this and why I understand it's better for the Skins to win.

They are going to be out for blood as well. Remember what Vick did last time. 35-0 in the 1st quarter?

Hightower/Torrain should have a monster game. Go Skins I guess. **** the Eagles!!!

Mike Vick for 50 fantasy points? Why does Matt Ryan suck so bad?

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 01:48 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</p>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</p>




go Rexy
</p>


**** it....I'm throwing deep....</p>
LMAO!!!

Post that in here.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:49 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</p>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</p>


</p>


I can get on board with that....

I dont see the skins lasting when it counts.</p>
I thought I wanted the Eagles but after reading this and why I understand it's better for the Skins to win.

They are going to be out for blood as well. Remember what Vick did last time. 35-0 in the 1st quarter?

Hightower/Torrain should have a monster game. Go Skins I guess. **** the Eagles!!!

Mike Vick for 50 fantasy points? Why does Matt Ryan suck so bad?


**** man is that game a night game this week? I hope so

I would love to see how Kerrigan and Orakpo play

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:50 PM
We want the Skins at 3-2 more than we want the Eagles at 1-5 right?
</p>


Not me. The Skins are paper Tigers. I'd rather see the Skins beat the Eagles.</p>


</p>


I can get on board with that....

I dont see the skins lasting when it counts.</p>
I thought I wanted the Eagles but after reading this and why I understand it's better for the Skins to win.

They are going to be out for blood as well. Remember what Vick did last time. 35-0 in the 1st quarter?

Hightower/Torrain should have a monster game. Go Skins I guess. **** the Eagles!!!

Mike Vick for 50 fantasy points? Why does Matt Ryan suck so bad?


he ****in fell to me in my big money draft. I had to take him

I hate him though, i always talk **** about him...

Thank god i took Cam Newton late

:)

shocknaweny
10-11-2011, 01:51 PM
I want Washington to beat those ****ing Iggles....I get sooooooooo much joy of them losing every week !</P>


</P>


Hey Lando why did u trade Best ..... he was great last night !</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 01:53 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season
</P>


They would have started 4-3 if not for the left handed throw into triple coverage in the end zone.</P>


Who ya gunna blame for that.</P>


Last year Eli had a horrible season. terrible ball protection.</P>


This year his decisions have been much better. he had a bad break with Cruz. His play has been much better.</P>

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Tickets Bought, I'm sitting in Section 307 Row 13 seats 1&amp;2
</p>


I forget where exactly my tickets are, but im pretty sure im like last row of the 300s or something probably. lol. awful.</p>

I bought them online and printed them out at my work...It's kinda sketchy, I've never gone without the physical ticket stub, but I mean it from ticketmaster so it has to be good right? anyone use those type of tickets before? does it matter what type of print you print it on?

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 01:58 PM
You guys made Morehead mad now. He is not a troll. He just views it different and somewhat refuses to see things another way.

byron
10-11-2011, 01:59 PM
Really? Talk football?</P>


I say that I'm happy with Eli because he's protecting the ball better and I'm called an Eli-hater for suggesting that he was not protecting the ball last year.</P>


Thats talking football? No...thats attacking Morehead for trying to "talk football".</P>




That's revisionist history if I ever heard it.

The conversation always starts with you ripping Eli for 25 Ints last season, then we defend him...because we truthfully believe (and have provided evidence in the form of new statistics and specific examples) that he deserves a break on many of those ints based on how they occurred, you then call us "Eli Lovers" and jump into your hate rhetoric.


ya know..., maybe he isn't serious and he fooled me,

Maybe he is just daven'ing?


I think it was Byron who recognized that and brought it up previously....classic "long troll" I seriously doubt it though...I don't believe Morehead has that type of dedication to trolling, I could be wrong though.
not me it BW...MH likes to instigate,provoke and stir the pot not saying that in a bad way. Zig zag man..figuring out when he is doing it is the trick or maybe not ...lol

lol yea hes doing that now, but hes just doing it while keeping his views in front

btw big B, u still got time to come down. THEE GAME THIS WEEK
he has MAPD!!!....multiple agenda personality disorder.....jk</P>


I know Matt it would have to be the Train, I can't fly might run out of air up there...My wife had these dogs bred to close andthe other ones due this weekend she has to be here.... Sorry man its not looking good I really wanted to make it down...I'll miss not seeing you guys ...shold be a exciting game for ya andwe sweak out a win!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 01:59 PM
I want Washington to beat those ****ing Iggles....I get sooooooooo much joy of them losing every week !</p>


</p>


Hey Lando why did u trade Best ..... he was great last night !</p>

http://www.fitwomenover60.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/3-kids-laughing-smallest2.jpg

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:01 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season
</p>


They would have started 4-3 if not for the left handed throw into triple coverage in the end zone.</p>


Who ya gunna blame for that.</p>


Last year Eli had a horrible season. terrible ball protection.</p>


This year his decisions have been much better. he had a bad break with Cruz. His play has been much better.</p>

if i were u i'd keep ignoring my longer response to you because it does kind of beat up every point u make...

like i've said before, he makes the same decisions: same bad form, same throwing into coverage, same bad placements that you've always killed him for. The difference is that the receivers are finally making plays and not tipping balls up in the air

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:02 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:02 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season
</p>


They would have started 4-3 if not for the left handed throw into triple coverage in the end zone.</p>


Who ya gunna blame for that.</p>


Last year Eli had a horrible season. terrible ball protection.</p>


This year his decisions have been much better. he had a bad break with Cruz. His play has been much better.</p>

That one was clearly on Eli, but I think it's absolutely crazy to say Eli had a "terrible" year last year...I thought it was above average for QB's in general...terrible would put him at 25th maybe worse as far as QB's go, last year...even if you want to believe all the ints were his fault, take into account the yards and the TD's and I still have him in the top 12ish....take away the ints that weren't his fault...he's definitely top ten material...that's far from terrible imho.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:03 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


Yea im still not on board with that game somehow still being a worse loss than the second eagles game

the comedy of errors resulted in one of the worst losses a teams ever taken in NFL history

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:04 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


Yea im still not on board with that game somehow still being a worse loss than the second eagles game

the comedy of errors resulted in one of the worst losses a teams ever taken in NFL history

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:06 PM
Just remember,

We are not having this conversation in person. lol

Chances of that not happenining. 1 in a 1,000,000,000

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:07 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season
</p>


They would have started 4-3 if not for the left handed throw into triple coverage in the end zone.</p>


Who ya gunna blame for that.</p>


Last year Eli had a horrible season. terrible ball protection.</p>


This year his decisions have been much better. he had a bad break with Cruz. His play has been much better.</p>

That one was clearly on Eli, but I think it's absolutely crazy to say Eli had a "terrible" year last year...I thought it was above average for QB's in general...terrible would put him at 25th maybe worse as far as QB's go, last year...even if you want to believe all the ints were his fault, take into account the yards and the TD's and I still have him in the top 12ish....take away the ints that weren't his fault...he's definitely top ten material...that's far from terrible imho.


I think even with that in mind - it still doesn't make that game a worse loss than philly2

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:07 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season
</p>


They would have started 4-3 if not for the left handed throw into triple coverage in the end zone.</p>


Who ya gunna blame for that.</p>


Last year Eli had a horrible season. terrible ball protection.</p>


This year his decisions have been much better. he had a bad break with Cruz. His play has been much better.</p>

That one was clearly on Eli, but I think it's absolutely crazy to say Eli had a "terrible" year last year...I thought it was above average for QB's in general...terrible would put him at 25th maybe worse as far as QB's go, last year...even if you want to believe all the ints were his fault, take into account the yards and the TD's and I still have him in the top 12ish....take away the ints that weren't his fault...he's definitely top ten material...that's far from terrible imho.


hey u coming out to eat on sat?

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:08 PM
i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.


kinda hard to get zip on the ball when it's in your off hand...he was trying to make a play, I don't kill him for that the way Morehead does...but morehead killing him for that is consistent, it was a bad decision, you and me give him that leeway because we like to see him pull things out of the blue (Like the Super Bowl among numerous other examples) but I don't "expect" others to give that leeway, the thing that bothers you (and me a bit) is that he's still doing all those same type of things this year...but because it hasn't come back to bite us (until this last game) Morehead has been saying he's improved...but we both know he's almost exactly the same as last year in his play.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:10 PM
Hey Lando why did u trade Best ..... he was great last night !
Never wanted him in the first place. I wanted Maclin. LT wouldn't trade Maclin for Jordy. You wanted Jordy, he needed a RB in the worst way. It worked out great.

You want Bush yet? lol

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:12 PM
Tickets Bought, I'm sitting in Section 307 Row 13 seats 1&amp;2
</p>


I forget where exactly my tickets are, but im pretty sure im like last row of the 300s or something probably. lol. awful.</p>

I bought them online and printed them out at my work...It's kinda sketchy, I've never gone without the physical ticket stub, but I mean it from ticketmaster so it has to be good right? anyone use those type of tickets before? does it matter what type of print you print it on?

I done it for all the J*** games. My tickets for AZ vs NYG were like that to. You will be fine. ESPECIALLY if it's from TicketMaster.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:13 PM
.I'll miss not seeing you guys ...shold be a exciting game for ya andwe sweak out a win!!
I will miss you to B. Next year for sure. I will bring Melissa to. I know you will be screaming at your TV.

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:13 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</P>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </P>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</P>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:13 PM
I think even with that in mind - it still doesn't make that game a worse loss than philly2

I'm with you there, I actually had that conversation the other night with a guy at bowling, My point on that topic is that I can accept one player making a mistake costing us a game...had the victor cruz fumble (it was clearly a fumble giving himself up come on) cost us the game....It would have been infuriating....but I still would have said the TEAM played well.

Against Philly last year...every part of our team let us down in that final quarter....from the coaches to the punter, from the Secondary to Eli himself....every single part of the team...and that's WAY worse then one player making a stupid mistake.

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:14 PM
i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.


kinda hard to get zip on the ball when it's in your off hand...he was trying to make a play, I don't kill him for that the way Morehead does...but morehead killing him for that is consistent, it was a bad decision, you and me give him that leeway because we like to see him pull things out of the blue (Like the Super Bowl among numerous other examples) but I don't "expect" others to give that leeway, the thing that bothers you (and me a bit) is that he's still doing all those same type of things this year...but because it hasn't come back to bite us (until this last game) Morehead has been saying he's improved...but we both know he's almost exactly the same as last year in his play.
</P>


You know.</P>


I agree with this. </P>


Eli has already thrown the ball twice this year with his eyes closed and they just so happened to make it to the wr.</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:14 PM
Tickets Bought, I'm sitting in Section 307 Row 13 seats 1&amp;2
</P>


I forget where exactly my tickets are, but im pretty sure im like last row of the 300s or something probably. lol. awful.</P>




I bought them online and printed them out at my work...It's kinda sketchy, I've never gone without the physical ticket stub, but I mean it from ticketmaster so it has to be good right? anyone use those type of tickets before? does it matter what type of print you print it on?

I done it for all the J*** games. My tickets for AZ vs NYG were like that to. You will be fine. ESPECIALLY if it's from TicketMaster.
</P>


BTW Lando, my song "Salt Lake Blues" is almost complete. In all humility..its awesome.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:15 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</p>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </p>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</p>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</p>

whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:16 PM
When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </p>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</p>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</p>

Noone (including matt hopefully) is saying that was a "good" decision, but people like me and Matt, who have "faith" in Eli, who have watched as he's pulled some magic out of his ***, (Victor Cruz this weekend for example to get us back into the game) give him some leeway to make those decisions, sure...they look like bad calls when they go wrong...but he has a habit of making his "bad decisions" turn into game winning plays.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:16 PM
I want Washington to beat those ****ing Iggles....I get sooooooooo much joy of them losing every week !</p>


</p>


Hey Lando why did u trade Best ..... he was great last night !</p>

http://www.fitwomenover60.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/3-kids-laughing-smallest2.jpg

His night was a fluke. You know it and I know it. He had 17 yards on 12 rushes before that. The Bears D was ****ing gassed from chasing around Megatron. I think the only D that can stop him has to have Optimus Prime at CB.

Also, I know you dont like Best this year hoe.

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:17 PM
We just won the wrong 10 games last year. Sucks, but atleast we got Prince Amukamara out of it. </P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:18 PM
i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.


kinda hard to get zip on the ball when it's in your off hand...he was trying to make a play, I don't kill him for that the way Morehead does...but morehead killing him for that is consistent, it was a bad decision, you and me give him that leeway because we like to see him pull things out of the blue (Like the Super Bowl among numerous other examples) but I don't "expect" others to give that leeway, the thing that bothers you (and me a bit) is that he's still doing all those same type of things this year...but because it hasn't come back to bite us (until this last game) Morehead has been saying he's improved...but we both know he's almost exactly the same as last year in his play.



yes thats the perfect way to sum it up daven

u comin to dinner sat?

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:19 PM
hey u coming out to eat on sat?

I'm not sure at the moment, it depends on the girl, I think we might end up doing something else the night before, we will see, if I do go where are you guys gonna be again?

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:20 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>

or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


Yea im still not on board with that game somehow still being a worse loss than the second eagles game

the comedy of errors resulted in one of the worst losses a teams ever taken in NFL history

You KNOW how I feel about that game. It was probably my worst loss as a Giants fan. It was demoralizing.


Also, I never said it was a worse loss. That was THE worst loss. Had we of won the games we beat ourselves instead of being beaten we would have been in a position to take that hit and still be profitable.

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:20 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</P>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </P>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</P>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</P>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</P>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:21 PM
I think even with that in mind - it still doesn't make that game a worse loss than philly2

I'm with you there, I actually had that conversation the other night with a guy at bowling, My point on that topic is that I can accept one player making a mistake costing us a game...had the victor cruz fumble (it was clearly a fumble giving himself up come on) cost us the game....It would have been infuriating....but I still would have said the TEAM played well.

Against Philly last year...every part of our team let us down in that final quarter....from the coaches to the punter, from the Secondary to Eli himself....every single part of the team...and that's WAY worse then one player making a stupid mistake.


I dunno dude... I really don't kill Eli at all

we had 1 3 and out and anothe rdrive with 3 first downs in it. We had BEYOND a comfortable lead

I'll never blame the offense when they put up 30 points

and i'll never blame the defense if they gave up 14 points

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:22 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</P>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </P>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</P>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</P>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</P>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</P>


</P>


Common argument style of MMB.</P>


Bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:23 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</p>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </p>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</p>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</p>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</p>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</p>

thats what this whole debate is over

about how the Tenn game really cost us the playoffs and then others view that if u believe that u should be smacked. There was no bigger let down game last season, quite possibly ever, than the Philly 2 game. That and that alone is why we are not in the playoffs and didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. THEN to add in the fact that we came back vs GB and **** the bed?

no way man

JPizzack
10-11-2011, 02:23 PM
**** it....I'm throwing deep....
LMAO!!!

Post that in here.
</P>


Is that Berrian? I think he’s triple-covered. You know what? **** it. I’m throwing it downfield. </P>


Yeah, I see Jones open on the flank. But **** that. Dumpoff passes are for ***gots. I’m ****ing Sexy Rexy Grossman. I can get that ball in there. And, even if I can’t, I bet I’ll be able to pull it off the next go round. I like throwing the ball long. It makes my **** hard.</P>


What’s that? I should throw a quick slant? **** that. That’s gay. Button hook? Gay. Flare out? Gay. Screen pass? Kevin Spacey gay. This is ****ing football. You can’t just expect wins to come to you. You can’t massage that ****. You gotta grab that game by the throat and rape the ever-loving **** out of it. You think a 5-yard out is gonna win you a game? You’re a *****. This ain’t John Shoop running this offense. Sexy Rexy’s got the arm. The dragon. You gotta unleash the dragon.</P>


Okay, I’m throwing it. Nice. Look how far it went. I look good. I bet I made that Pats cheerleader wet her panties with that throw. She ****ing wants me. I bet she likes it over a stair railing. I can hit that with 100% accuracy, my dear. Mmmmmm. I am delicious.</P>


Oh ****. Looks like Samuel caught it. Again. Oh well. It still felt ****ing great to throw that ****. Tell me that wasn’t one of the prettiest passes you ever saw. You know what? Not only am I gonna throw it long the next time we hit the field. I’m gonna throw it even longer. Harder. You see that kid in wheelchair sitting in the end zone bleachers? I’m gonna nail him right between the ****ing eyes with a Sexy Rexy fastball. Why? Because I can.</P>


This is Rex Grossman we’re talking about here. We’re talking 210 lbs. of twisted steel and sex appeal. I’m not just a gunslinger. I’m a cumslinger. Throwing that ball long tells all the Rexettes that I am ****ing out there. On the edge. Where I gotta be. The ladies love the danger. The unpredictability. Oh, maybe I’ll tease them with a pretty touch pass every now and again. But then I’m gonna go right back to pumping that ball out for all it’s worth. It tells them I throw like I ****. That’s how we do things in the sexy business.</P>


Tell me you’re not turned on right now. I am</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:23 PM
hey u coming out to eat on sat?

I'm not sure at the moment, it depends on the girl, I think we might end up doing something else the night before, we will see, if I do go where are you guys gonna be again?


its looking like Steves

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:25 PM
Common argument style of MMB.</p>


Bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation.</p>

ROFL this is so true, I used to just sa y"Irrelevant" to him, but I think that used to piss him off a lot so I've started to entertain his side plots...although sometimes it gets hard to keep track off....especially when I'm not particular on one side or the other lol.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:25 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</p>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </p>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</p>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</p>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</p>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</p>


</p>


Common argument style of MMB.</p>


Bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation.</p>

common argument style of MMB: Maintain the point at hand of what started all of this

thanks for chiming in the middle of the argument and throwing ur two cents in, but try and follow along with what we are actually tlaking about

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:26 PM
Common argument style of MMB.</p>


Bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation.</p>

ROFL this is so true, I used to just sa y"Irrelevant" to him, but I think that used to piss him off a lot so I've started to entertain his side plots...although sometimes it gets hard to keep track off....especially when I'm not particular on one side or the other lol.


lol i hate to break it to all of you

this whole debate is over me and dezz talking about how him saying he blames the Titans as the biggest reason we didn't make the playoffs last year

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:26 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</P>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</P>


</P>


<FONT size=6>Eli</FONT> played OK on Sunday and it <FONT size=6>sucks</FONT> that bad breaks and tipped <FONT size=6>balls</FONT> had to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


They see only what they want to see.</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:27 PM
You playing Fantasy Football or what *****!? lol We don't take kindly to leaving players playing that you KNOW are going to be out for a while. Take the time....Even though you would not have won. You can still come back. It's early. Don't give up lil grasshopper. Daven has not even won yet. Had he not traded away half his good players he may have....

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:28 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</P>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</P>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</P>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </P>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</P>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</P>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</P>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</P>




thats what this whole debate is over

about how the Tenn game really cost us the playoffs and then others view that if u believe that u should be smacked. There was no bigger let down game last season, quite possibly ever, than the Philly 2 game. That and that alone is why we are not in the playoffs and didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. THEN to add in the fact that we came back vs GB and **** the bed?

no way man
</P>


Maybe but I was commenting on whoever said that Tenn started 5-2.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</p>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</p>


</p>


<font size="6">Eli</font> played OK on Sunday and it <font size="6">sucks</font> that bad breaks and tipped <font size="6">balls</font> had to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


They see only what they want to see.</p>


</p>

LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</p>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</p>


</p>


<font size="6">Eli</font> played OK on Sunday and it <font size="6">sucks</font> that bad breaks and tipped <font size="6">balls</font> had to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


They see only what they want to see.</p>


</p>

LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
BTW Lando, my song "Salt Lake Blues" is almost complete. In all humility..its awesome.
I can't wait to hear it. Do I get a shout out?

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</p>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</p>


</p>


<font size="6">Eli</font> played OK on Sunday and it <font size="6">sucks</font> that bad breaks and tipped <font size="6">balls</font> had to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


They see only what they want to see.</p>


</p>

lol says the guy that Eli isn't doing the same exact **** that u've cursed him out for

u've actually blamed his tipped balls ON him...

u've actually re-written the cardinal rule of recieving to try to make ur points

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</P>


BTW did you see my trade offer?</P>

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
You playing Fantasy Football or what *****!? lol We don't take kindly to leaving players playing that you KNOW are going to be out for a while. Take the time....Even though you would not have won. You can still come back. It's early. Don't give up lil grasshopper. Daven has not even won yet. Had he not traded away half his good players he may have....
</P>


Mendenhall was active and Redman was already on a team. Nothing i can do about it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</p>


BTW did you see my trade offer?</p>

yes

and its been long rejected lol

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</P>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</P>


</P>


<FONT size=6>Eli</FONT> played OK on Sunday and it <FONT size=6>sucks</FONT> that bad breaks and tipped <FONT size=6>balls</FONT> had to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


They see only what they want to see.</P>


</P>




lol says the guy that Eli isn't doing the same exact **** that u've cursed him out for

u've actually blamed his tipped balls ON him...

u've actually re-written the cardinal rule of recieving to try to make ur points
</P>


You are making my point for me. I was referring to the Cruz play which was no ones fault and the Eli Cultist must take it back to last year where Eli was just a victim of inept and disloyal WR's.</P>


My work is done.</P>

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 02:33 PM
Common argument style of MMB.</p>


Bring up something completely irrelevant to the conversation.</p>

ROFL this is so true, I used to just sa y"Irrelevant" to him, but I think that used to piss him off a lot so I've started to entertain his side plots...although sometimes it gets hard to keep track off....especially when I'm not particular on one side or the other lol.


lol i hate to break it to all of you

this whole debate is over me and dezz talking about how him saying he blames the Titans as the biggest reason we didn't make the playoffs last year
noooo thats not what i was saying. i was using the titans game as an example, if we beat the teams we should have it makes things much easier and doesnt put the MUST win title on the greenbay game

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:34 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</P>


Nah, every argument ever, theres always a random paragraph that you think is some sealing point, but in reality has nothing to do with what the person you're talking to has been saying.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:35 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</p>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</p>


</p>


<font size="6">Eli</font> played OK on Sunday and it <font size="6">sucks</font> that bad breaks and tipped <font size="6">balls</font> had to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


They see only what they want to see.</p>


</p>

LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.


again after a touchdown by the offense with 8 minutes to go it gave us 31 points and a 21 point lead. We then had the ball for two more possessions.

First possession took 2:30 off the clock and we had 3 first downs

By the time we got the ball back for the second possession it was a tie game and we tried to drive to win the game

Im not killing the offense for that

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:36 PM
Every team controls their own destiny.</p>


The problem was that we had to win one more game than we would have if they had gotten the call right. But yes, we could have gone 16-0.</p>




or we could have beat Philly one of the two games...we should have.



yea i don't even get why everybody always singles out the Titans

They were 5-2 to start the season

The left handed pick in the endzone stands out. It was a comedy of errors. We **** the bed. Kind of like the Seattle game.


i'll admit im in the minority of that, but i still don't kill him for that

he was trying to make a play under pressure. If he got it there with some more zip hes a ****in genious and gets deep throated by all of NY.
</p>


When you're response to every bad decision is that "he was just trying to make a play" then there is no need to argue with you. </p>


You are the only Giants fan on earth who thinks that was an acceptable decision. Let ask all the other Eli Cultists if they think that was a good play. You are alone Matt. Alone on this earth.</p>


This is why we shant be discussing Eli at dinner.</p>




whatever its fine i'll at least admit im in the minority. It was back breaking and killer and ultimately decided the game - but again I would rather my QB try to make a play if he thinks he can

BUT regardless theres no way you should feel like the TITANS game was a bigger upset for this team than Philly 2. If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game
</p>


Who said anything about the Philly game?</p>




thats what this whole debate is over

about how the Tenn game really cost us the playoffs and then others view that if u believe that u should be smacked. There was no bigger let down game last season, quite possibly ever, than the Philly 2 game. That and that alone is why we are not in the playoffs and didn't deserve to be in the playoffs. THEN to add in the fact that we came back vs GB and **** the bed?

no way man
</p>


Maybe but I was commenting on whoever said that Tenn started 5-2.</p>

okay... and?

Either way, Philly 2 ruined our season on EVERY possible level u could argue:

game we should of won? check

ultimate meltdown of a game that should of been locked up? check

the fact that it was a win and and in game? cehck

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:37 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</p>


Nah, every argument ever, theres always a random paragraph that you think is some sealing point, but in reality has nothing to do with what the person you're talking to has been saying.</p>

...says the guy that has no clue what this debate is even over

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 02:38 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:39 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:39 PM
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<DIV>How can anyone not be pleased/happy with his production? I haven't inferred that I'm not. The point is that TE is a very upgradeable position right now and has been for years. There's nothing special about Ballard's game and it can be easily replaced.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>It's more just your first comment, that he's just a body and wouldn't make many other rosters...that's the type of thing you would say about him at the beginning of the season, or that you'd say about someone like Danny Ware now. You have to give the guy some credit for actually producing in NFL games.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Oh, I get it now. When lawl says things like:</P>
<P dir=ltr>"he's just a body...he's the most easily replaced starter on this team....he couldn't even make other NFL teams...he's a nobody" </P>
<P dir=ltr>what lawl really means is:</P>
<P dir=ltr>"I'm not displeased with Ballard's play so far this season."</P>


Pass the pipe...I mean the rosetta stone...</P>


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The two things are completely independent of each other.</P>


I challenge you to name a starter that is more easily replaced than Ballard. I also challenge you to name 3 teams the guy would make, not start on, actually make.</P>


These thoughts that I believe to be factual have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I am not displeased with his play.</P>


I'll give you a similar scenario-</P>


Rewind to week 15 of last season. This example is sort of the opposite.</P>


"I was displeased with Eli's play."(at that time)</P>


"I, however, did not believe that(at that time) Eli was just a body, and did not think that he is easily replaced."</P>


Rewind to Michael Johnson's(the safety if you dont remember him) rookie year. The exact same things could be said of him</P>


"I was pleased with his play."</P>


"he's just a body...he's the most easily replaced starter on this team....he couldn't even make other NFL teams...he's a nobody"</P>


The statements are as shown, completely independent of each other.</P>


You should take things for what they are and not try to read much into it, since you really have no idea my full thought process. </P>


Classic case of what happens when you assume /emoticons/emotion-5.gif</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hynoski
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you would be making a point if we weren't a pretty solid team ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

Personally I think Ballard has been playin gbetter than most of our offensive line, mario, linebackers, and corners, and safteys

I mean I just don't get what ur point is?

I would take Ballard's production over alot of starting Giants right now.

<FONT size=5>Because we haven't sunk alot of money in him or have money inother places that makes Ballard less valuable? If anything that makes him MORE valuable. We could be paying 3.5 mil a year for a TE and getting the same production. But instead we're paying 400k</FONT></P>


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<FONT size=5><FONT size=3>The paragraph in bold is a classic example. You're arguing against something that's not even being argued.</FONT>
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Morehead State
10-11-2011, 02:40 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</P>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</P>


</P>


<FONT size=6>Eli</FONT> played OK on Sunday and it <FONT size=6>sucks</FONT> that bad breaks and tipped <FONT size=6>balls</FONT> had to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


They see only what they want to see.</P>


</P>




LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.


again after a touchdown by the offense with 8 minutes to go it gave us 31 points and a 21 point lead. We then had the ball for two more possessions.

First possession took 2:30 off the clock and we had 3 first downs

By the time we got the ball back for the second possession it was a tie game and we tried to drive to win the game

Im not killing the offense for that
</P>


Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</P>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</P>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</P>

lawl
10-11-2011, 02:43 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.
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It changes history. So many random variables come into play that are just impossible to completely fathom.</P>


</P>


We win the Eagles game, we're in the playoffs, no doubt about it. Period end of story.</P>


</P>


We win the Titans game, the entire season after that becomes different. We wouldnt run the exact same plays, players preparation wouldnt be the same, a multitude of different variables come into play that are just simply put, unthinkable. We have no idea what would have happened had we won the Titans game. We do, however, know what would have happened had we won the second Eagles game.</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 02:46 PM
Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</p>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</p>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</p>

Yes Morehead, maybe not with Matt but with me that is true, The defense has saved our team before, in that game the defense was clearly floundering in the 4th Q, it then becomes the JOB of the Offense to overcome that, this is a team game...our entire TEAM let us down in that 4thQ I don't blame one person or another because there were too many mistakes and no one stepped up to overcome/make up for them.

It's one thing when one player does something stupid to cost you the game, it's another thing when the whole team breaks down.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:51 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"


lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:51 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"


again we weren't talking about the system over all

u were responding to me being in favor of the death penalty

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:53 PM
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<div>How can anyone not be pleased/happy with his production? I haven't inferred that I'm not. The point is that TE is a very upgradeable position right now and has been for years. There's nothing special about Ballard's game and it can be easily replaced.</div></blockquote>It's more just your first comment, that he's just a body and wouldn't make many other rosters...that's the type of thing you would say about him at the beginning of the season, or that you'd say about someone like Danny Ware now. You have to give the guy some credit for actually producing in NFL games.</div></blockquote>


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Oh, I get it now. When lawl says things like:</p>
<p dir="ltr">"he's just a body...he's the most easily replaced starter on this team....he couldn't even make other NFL teams...he's a nobody" </p>
<p dir="ltr">what lawl really means is:</p>
<p dir="ltr">"I'm not displeased with Ballard's play so far this season."</p>


Pass the pipe...I mean the rosetta stone...</p>


</p>


</p>


</p></div></blockquote>


The two things are completely independent of each other.</p>


I challenge you to name a starter that is more easily replaced than Ballard. I also challenge you to name 3 teams the guy would make, not start on, actually make.</p>


These thoughts that I believe to be factual have absolutely no bearing on the fact that I am not displeased with his play.</p>


I'll give you a similar scenario-</p>


Rewind to week 15 of last season. This example is sort of the opposite.</p>


"I was displeased with Eli's play."(at that time)</p>


"I, however, did not believe that(at that time) Eli was just a body, and did not think that he is easily replaced."</p>


Rewind to Michael Johnson's(the safety if you dont remember him) rookie year. The exact same things could be said of him</p>


"I was pleased with his play."</p>


"he's just a body...he's the most easily replaced starter on this team....he couldn't even make other NFL teams...he's a nobody"</p>


The statements are as shown, completely independent of each other.</p>


You should take things for what they are and not try to read much into it, since you really have no idea my full thought process. </p>


Classic case of what happens when you assume /emoticons/emotion-5.gif</p></div></blockquote>

Hynoski
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you would be making a point if we weren't a pretty solid team ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

Personally I think Ballard has been playin gbetter than most of our offensive line, mario, linebackers, and corners, and safteys

I mean I just don't get what ur point is?

I would take Ballard's production over alot of starting Giants right now.

<font size="5">Because we haven't sunk alot of money in him or have money inother places that makes Ballard less valuable? If anything that makes him MORE valuable. We could be paying 3.5 mil a year for a TE and getting the same production. But instead we're paying 400k</font></p>


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<font size="5"><font size="3">The paragraph in bold is a classic example. You're arguing against something that's not even being argued.</font>
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I think I clearly stated 3 sentences before that that I had no idea what point u were trying to make by saying he was replacable.

So i said why? Because we haven't sunk money into him? Because hes not a big name

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:55 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


again thats stupid. They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 02:57 PM
If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game

I don't think you will find anyone who disagrees with you.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 02:58 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</p>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</p>


</p>


<font size="6">Eli</font> played OK on Sunday and it <font size="6">sucks</font> that bad breaks and tipped <font size="6">balls</font> had to determine the result of the game.</p>


</p>


</p>


They see only what they want to see.</p>


</p>




LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.


again after a touchdown by the offense with 8 minutes to go it gave us 31 points and a 21 point lead. We then had the ball for two more possessions.

First possession took 2:30 off the clock and we had 3 first downs

By the time we got the ball back for the second possession it was a tie game and we tried to drive to win the game

Im not killing the offense for that
</p>


Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</p>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</p>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</p>

no actually through a game theres ups and downs. The offense did its job for that game when it was all on the line. 21 point wtih 8 minutes to go? Hell they had one possession with the lead within that last minutes and they were able to burn 2:30 off. They tried killing the clock. they ha 3 first downs on that drive. Defense lost this game

Either way - i've still yet to hear a reason why the Titans game was a bigger let down than Philly 2 and why we were suppose to win that game so much more in comparison to the philly 2 game?

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 03:00 PM
Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</p>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</p>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</p>

Yes Morehead, maybe not with Matt but with me that is true, The defense has saved our team before, in that game the defense was clearly floundering in the 4th Q, it then becomes the JOB of the Offense to overcome that, this is a team game...our entire TEAM let us down in that 4thQ I don't blame one person or another because there were too many mistakes and no one stepped up to overcome/make up for them.

It's one thing when one player does something stupid to cost you the game, it's another thing when the whole team breaks down.


i just disagree... the offense's job on their possession to try and run the clock out and make philly burn timeouts. Thats the play to make.

so because we lost all momentum because of one of the worst collapses EVER seen that we are now tied under 2 minutes and we didnt' score? I just find that weak

Game was gift wrapped

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 03:01 PM
again we weren't talking about the system over all

u were responding to me being in favor of the death penalty


we were past that, I talked about how I see both sides of it, the Death Penalty could save tax payer money, Jailing people cost Tax payers a TON of money every year and America has more people in jail then most other countries percentage wise, that said the semi-recent discover of DNA Evidence has freed quite a few innocent people that may have been killed had the death penalty been allowed in their states....so I see both sides.

to which you responded something like....But CA she definitely deserved it you know right?

That caused the topic switch, I went on to discuss the topic of how you arrive at the death penalty as a punishment....the burden of proof required, the conviction, the difference between first and second degree murder charges etc etc....

all of which you pretty much ignored....and kept pressing on about how CA "Deserved" it but you never explained "why" as far as I can tell you think she deserved it (even though she was proven Innocent) because she thought pigs fly or something....you have no basis for it, besides your emotional response behind what you "think" she did.

I broght Dr.K up to parallel the situation, to show you someone else who committed a similar crime in the eyes of the law, meaning a premeditate murder(s) and I used him because I knew you wouldn't have wanted him to get the Death Penalty because I can tell that you would see the crimes differently, but in the fashion that I brought it up for discussion the two (supposed) crimes are actually quite similar...but you then latched on to the actual outcome of the Dr.K. case....which...is irrelevant...we never got an outcome to the CA case (except we did she was innocent) thus we can't compare the sentences.

the point I was making all along though was that you have no real basis to say CA deserved the Death Penalty but Dr.K doesn't...you don't have a logical reason behind those comments it's all a gut feeling on your part...and gut feelings shouldn't be what decide whether a person is put to death or not.......in my opinion.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 03:01 PM
If your going to compare the two back to back, Philly two hsould of been won WAY more than the Titans game

I don't think you will find anyone who disagrees with you.


if thats true then why would anybody reference the Titans game?

Story of last year was Philly 2 and the collapse of the defense

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 03:05 PM
again we weren't talking about the system over all

u were responding to me being in favor of the death penalty


we were past that, I talked about how I see both sides of it, the Death Penalty could save tax payer money, Jailing people cost Tax payers a TON of money every year and America has more people in jail then most other countries percentage wise, that said the semi-recent discover of DNA Evidence has freed quite a few innocent people that may have been killed had the death penalty been allowed in their states....so I see both sides.

to which you responded something like....But CA she definitely deserved it you know right?

To which is went on to discuss the topic of how you arrive at the death penalty as a punishment....the burden of proof required, the conviction, the difference between first and second degree murder charges etc etc....

all of which you pretty much ignored....and kept pressing on about how CA "Deserved" it but you never explained "why" as far as I can tell you think she deserved it (even though she was proven Innocent) because she thought pigs fly or something....you have no basis for it, besides your emotional response behind what you "think" she did.

I broght Dr.K up to parallel the situation, to show you someone else who committed a similar crime in the eyes of the law, meaning a premeditate murder(s) and I used him because I knew you wouldn't have wanted him to get the Death Penalty because I can tell that you would see the crimes differently, but in the fashion that I brought it up for discussion the two (supposed) crimes are actually quite similar...but you then latched on to the actual outcome of the Dr.K. case....which...is irrelevant...we never got an outcome to the CA case (except we did she was innocent) thus we can compare.

the point I was making all along though was that you have no real basis to say CA deserved the Death Penalty but Dr.K doesn't...you don't have a logical reason behind those comments it's all a gut feeling on your part...and gut feelings shouldn't be what decide whether a person is put to death or not.......in my opinion.


dude ur crazy...

we weren't past it at all. You responded to me saying that had she been found guilty she should of gotten the chair. I firmly believe with the circumstance it would of been murder one.

You came back with this crazy argument about how theres no way to differentiate who should get the charir and u mentioned Dr.K situation.

Thats exactly how it happened.

And I agree. But i have a friend that works at NJ state prison who does security there. He lets me know real stories. You wouldn't believe the amount of deaths that happen by these scum. I do agree it should be reviewd. It would have to be clear cut cases and what not and not just these hick states. I would imagine that the amount of innocent people being put to death dramatically decreased as time went on and we had DNA evidence and there were less racism.

Again for ur debate u want withhold the fact that u think theres a good chance CA would of gotten something else besides murder 1. I disagree. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are similiar to the ways that manslaugher is similiar. The difference? Murder one u can be put to death in some states or get life, manslaughter u can get 6 months

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 03:15 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no? (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 03:16 PM
again we weren't talking about the system over all

u were responding to me being in favor of the death penalty


we were past that, I talked about how I see both sides of it, the Death Penalty could save tax payer money, Jailing people cost Tax payers a TON of money every year and America has more people in jail then most other countries percentage wise, that said the semi-recent discover of DNA Evidence has freed quite a few innocent people that may have been killed had the death penalty been allowed in their states....so I see both sides.

to which you responded something like....But CA she definitely deserved it you know right?

That caused the topic switch, I went on to discuss the topic of how you arrive at the death penalty as a punishment....the burden of proof required, the conviction, the difference between first and second degree murder charges etc etc....

all of which you pretty much ignored....and kept pressing on about how CA "Deserved" it but you never explained "why" as far as I can tell you think she deserved it (even though she was proven Innocent) because she thought pigs fly or something....you have no basis for it, besides your emotional response behind what you "think" she did.

I broght Dr.K up to parallel the situation, to show you someone else who committed a similar crime in the eyes of the law, meaning a premeditate murder(s) and I used him because I knew you wouldn't have wanted him to get the Death Penalty because I can tell that you would see the crimes differently, but in the fashion that I brought it up for discussion the two (supposed) crimes are actually quite similar...but you then latched on to the actual outcome of the Dr.K. case....which...is irrelevant...we never got an outcome to the CA case (except we did she was innocent) thus we can't compare the sentences.

the point I was making all along though was that you have no real basis to say CA deserved the Death Penalty but Dr.K doesn't...you don't have a logical reason behind those comments it's all a gut feeling on your part...and gut feelings shouldn't be what decide whether a person is put to death or not.......in my opinion.
lol how did this start again?

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Here's a typical post by a good Giants fan:</P>


Eli played OK on Sunday and it sucks that bad breaks and tipped ballshad to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


Now here' the same post, when viewed through the twisted, skewed prism ofthe classicEli Cultists:</P>


</P>


<FONT size=6>Eli</FONT> played OK on Sunday and it <FONT size=6>sucks</FONT> that bad breaks and tipped <FONT size=6>balls</FONT> had to determine the result of the game.</P>


</P>


</P>


They see only what they want to see.</P>


</P>




LOL that typical Giants fan is right! the problem is you post only the Bold when you speak of him.

And MMB about the philly game and the whole team letting us down...I was speaking specifically of the 4th Quarter...yes even the offense let us down there....if they could have just killed some clock...but whatever it's over and done with.


again after a touchdown by the offense with 8 minutes to go it gave us 31 points and a 21 point lead. We then had the ball for two more possessions.

First possession took 2:30 off the clock and we had 3 first downs

By the time we got the ball back for the second possession it was a tie game and we tried to drive to win the game

Im not killing the offense for that
</P>


Using your own logic, doesn't the offense "control its own destiny" with the ball in a tie game with a few minutes left.</P>


By your logic 'what happened earlier in the game' just like 'what happened earlier in the season' isn't especially relevant.</P>


Matt creed....."They had control of their destiny so there are no excuses"</P>




no actually through a game theres ups and downs. The offense did its job for that game when it was all on the line. 21 point wtih 8 minutes to go? Hell they had one possession with the lead within that last minutes and they were able to burn 2:30 off. They tried killing the clock. they ha 3 first downs on that drive. Defense lost this game

Either way - i've still yet to hear a reason why the Titans game was a bigger let down than Philly 2 and why we were suppose to win that game so much more in comparison to the philly 2 game?
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It wasn't. Why would anyone think it was?</P>

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 03:22 PM
You playing Fantasy Football or what *****!? lol We don't take kindly to leaving players playing that you KNOW are going to be out for a while. Take the time....Even though you would not have won. You can still come back. It's early. Don't give up lil grasshopper. Daven has not even won yet. Had he not traded away half his good players he may have....
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Mendenhall was active and Redman was already on a team. Nothing i can do about it.</p>
Uhhhh pick up another RB? lol You are better than that.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 03:23 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</p>


BTW did you see my trade offer?</p>

yes

and its been long rejected lol

Do tell....

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 03:25 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"


lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense

Here we go again

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 03:26 PM
Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize

Exactly, we still could have beat GB and got in.

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 03:27 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty


</P>


BTW did you see my trade offer?</P>




yes

and its been long rejected lol

Do tell....
</P>


Torrain for Santana Moss.</P>

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 03:28 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"


lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense

Here we go again
</P>


I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?</P>

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 03:37 PM
I firmly believe with the circumstance it would of been murder one.

Why do you believe this, that's what I'm trying to get it, because to me, it seems like you believe it because you are angry at what you "think" she did, you can't sentence someone to the Chair because you "THINK" the did something terrible....you need proof and it didn't exist!


You came back with this crazy argument about how theres no way to differentiate who should get the charir and u mentioned Dr.K situation.

I try to walk you through the leaps in logic you make, because you do it all the time, hoping you will notice it...but you never do, and sometimes that takes us down weird roads I will not deny that...but my friend I will never give up on you :)



And I agree. But i have a friend that works at NJ state prison who does security there.

I guarantee you, you don't have any stories that would surprise me, my best friend in high schools parents were both correctional officers, not to mention this guy I used to bowl with was also the same..I've heard plenty of stories...but wait WTF are we even talking about, what does this have to do with the legal system...and whether the Death Penalty should be applied or not...oh wait it doesn't you are pulling a Meyer! I should have seen it coming.




Again for ur debate u want withhold the fact that u think theres a good chance CA would of gotten something else besides murder 1. I disagree. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are similiar to the ways that manslaugher is similiar. The difference? Murder one u can be put to death in some states or get life, manslaughter u can get 6 months

I provided the definition of Murder 1 vs Murder 2 for you on multiple occasions...The key difference is PREMEDITATION...something which both Dr.K and (supposedly) CA clearly had done.

So you can't have it both ways, by your own thought process those guilty of Murder 1 should get the death penalty, but since both Dr.K. and CA fit within the guild lines of Murder 1 (I know Dr.k. got down to murder 2 but the result of that one case is irrelevant) then both equally deserved the chair...by your logic...which is shoddy at best anyhow)

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 03:40 PM
I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?

It started with Matt claiming that Casey Anthony clearly deserved the Death Penalty

Besides the obvious fact that she was proven innocent there are a multitude of issues that would need to be figured out and decided upon before anyone could come to that conclusion...is kinda what I'm trying to show Matt.. but he's stuck on his emotional hatred of the women...(which while I understand can not be the basis behind the sentencing of a criminal)

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 03:55 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no? (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 03:56 PM
yea daven would say the what Dr. K was charged wtih a irrelevent as to why he wouldnt' be given the death penalty




It was irrelevant to the conversation, we weren't talking about one particular case, we talking about the difference between second degree and first degree murder at the time.

Premeditation is the "key" difference as it is on the books, both CA and Dr.K committed murders in which there was clearly Premeditation (well based on the assumption on your part that CA is guilty even though she was found innocent) Thus they should both be dealt with in the same fashion.

the fact that Dr.K. got away with Second Degree because of the unusual nature of his particular case is irrelevant when talking about the system "overall"


lol see what i mean. You say it was irrelevent

BUT the truth of the matter is that YOU brought DR K up by saying the death penalty was ridiculous because a murder is a murder and theres no difference between them and that Dr.K should of got the chair becuase he committed murder. BUT the fact that there is murder in the first and murder in the second clearly is tthe defining factor.

The point where u go off on a tangent is that we have no clue clue what Casey Anthony would of been charged found guilty that they probably woiuldn't of gone easy on her at all. And had they not found it an accidental death she would have gotten murder 1

And THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN MUDER 1 and MURDER 2..

thats essentially what u went on debating for days and all of my counter points were irrelevent because they just pointed out how everything u said made no sense

Here we go again
</p>


I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?</p>

long story short - Daven sees no difference in murder 1 or murder 2 when it comes to punishment

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:00 PM
long story short - Daven sees no difference in murder 1 or murder 2 when it comes to punishment

ROFL that couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll do it too (and mines actually closer to the truth)

Long story short, MMB believes people should live or die completely based upon what he thinks happened from watching TV.

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 04:03 PM
Torrain for Santana Moss.
He can't because Plax sucks, he just won't allow himself to realize it yet. If Plax was everything he dreamed of then he would let Santana go.

Well that and the fact Torrain was a waiver wire pickup for a high draft pick. Hightower is the man there. His shoulder was hurt. They are going to have a field day on the Eagles.

Edit:

The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 04:07 PM
Morehead, quit hoggin all the RB's. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:09 PM
I firmly believe with the circumstance it would of been murder one.

Why do you believe this, that's what I'm trying to get it, because to me, it seems like you believe it because you are angry at what you "think" she did, you can't sentence someone to the Chair because you "THINK" the did something terrible....you need proof and it didn't exist!


You came back with this crazy argument about how theres no way to differentiate who should get the charir and u mentioned Dr.K situation.

I try to walk you through the leaps in logic you make, because you do it all the time, hoping you will notice it...but you never do, and sometimes that takes us down weird roads I will not deny that...but my friend I will never give up on you :)



And I agree. But i have a friend that works at NJ state prison who does security there.

I guarantee you, you don't have any stories that would surprise me, my best friend in high schools parents were both correctional officers, not to mention this guy I used to bowl with was also the same..I've heard plenty of stories...but wait WTF are we even talking about, what does this have to do with the legal system...and whether the Death Penalty should be applied or not...oh wait it doesn't you are pulling a Meyer! I should have seen it coming.




Again for ur debate u want withhold the fact that u think theres a good chance CA would of gotten something else besides murder 1. I disagree. Murder 1 and Murder 2 are similiar to the ways that manslaugher is similiar. The difference? Murder one u can be put to death in some states or get life, manslaughter u can get 6 months

I provided the definition of Murder 1 vs Murder 2 for you on multiple occasions...The key difference is PREMEDITATION...something which both Dr.K and (supposedly) CA clearly had done.

So you can't have it both ways, by your own thought process those guilty of Murder 1 should get the death penalty, but since both Dr.K. and CA fit within the guild lines of Murder 1 (I know Dr.k. got down to murder 2 but the result of that one case is irrelevant) then both equally deserved the chair...by your logic...which is shoddy at best anyhow)



if she had been found guilty, it would of been of MURDERING a TWO YEAR OLD

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/first+degree+murder

the fact that it was a minor, a baby. Would of typically made it murder one..

Your logic in this case is border line ******ed. You actually tried arguing the case against Dr. K against me like I was the jury and u were trying to pin murder 1 on him. There is no leaps. The fact that it was a child as the victim wasn't making me emotional, it was making me factual. Thats absolute grounds murder 1. Its no where near as debatable as an assisted suicide.


Okay and my point about the death penalty was to not be ignorant about it, but actually take out the trash of the world. YOu made it seem that iwas just saying kill everybody and thats not the case. BUT i do believe that some people have lost their right to live for certain actions

Premeditation is NOT the only factor in deciding murder in the first.

And you are WRONG in saying that Dr. K killed those people. You obviously don't know the story at all so you generalized and have been arguing incorrect points. Just curious if you ask to borrow my car and drive it off a cliff, do I get charged wtih murder?

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 04:10 PM
Morehead, quit hoggin all the RB's. lol
</P>


I'm looking to dump one.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:11 PM
I've never read on word of this debate. Whats it all about?

It started with Matt claiming that Casey Anthony clearly deserved the Death Penalty

Besides the obvious fact that she was proven innocent there are a multitude of issues that would need to be figured out and decided upon before anyone could come to that conclusion...is kinda what I'm trying to show Matt.. but he's stuck on his emotional hatred of the women...(which while I understand can not be the basis behind the sentencing of a criminal)


lol this is why I get annoyed with u because you really are ignorant and you don't read AT ALL

I was actually on YOUR side. We were both debating Dezz about him going nuts with this. He said something that she should be put to death regardless. ANd we both said no, she was found innocent in our court of law. I then said HAD she been found guilty she would of deserved the death penalty.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:12 PM
long story short - Daven sees no difference in murder 1 or murder 2 when it comes to punishment

ROFL that couldn't be further from the truth.

I'll do it too (and mines actually closer to the truth)

Long story short, MMB believes people should live or die completely based upon what he thinks happened from watching TV.


even longer story short - daven has no idea what my argument was and is mixing me up with dezz even though half the day we were arguing aguing against him together...

hes completely lost it and thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago and now he is even altering them.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:13 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:13 PM
Torrain for Santana Moss.
He can't because Plax sucks, he just won't allow himself to realize it yet. If Plax was everything he dreamed of then he would let Santana go.

Well that and the fact Torrain was a waiver wire pickup for a high draft pick. Hightower is the man there. His shoulder was hurt. They are going to have a field day on the Eagles.

Edit:

The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


A) Hightower isn't starting because his shoulder is still injured

B) Moss is available for trade - just not for a backup RB

C) Plax will be fine - predict 900 and 6-8 TDs

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:14 PM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:14 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:15 PM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:19 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)

Morehead State
10-11-2011, 04:22 PM
Torrain for Santana Moss.
He can't because Plax sucks, he just won't allow himself to realize it yet. If Plax was everything he dreamed of then he would let Santana go.

Well that and the fact Torrain was a waiver wire pickup for a high draft pick. Hightower is the man there. His shoulder was hurt. They are going to have a field day on the Eagles.

Edit:

The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


A) Hightower isn't starting because his shoulder is still injured

B) Moss is available for trade - just not for a backup RB

C) Plax will be fine - predict 900 and 6-8 TDs
</P>


I predict 500 and 4 TD's.</P>


What would you want for Moss? I thought you'd want Torrain because the word is that Hightower is out of grace with Shanahan. Which I understand because the guy has always sucked. He's got spped and no wiggle. Torrain will def. be the man for most of the season.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:23 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)


lol there was no injury clause there

we didn't have an injury clause

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:25 PM
Torrain for Santana Moss.
He can't because Plax sucks, he just won't allow himself to realize it yet. If Plax was everything he dreamed of then he would let Santana go.

Well that and the fact Torrain was a waiver wire pickup for a high draft pick. Hightower is the man there. His shoulder was hurt. They are going to have a field day on the Eagles.

Edit:

The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


A) Hightower isn't starting because his shoulder is still injured

B) Moss is available for trade - just not for a backup RB

C) Plax will be fine - predict 900 and 6-8 TDs
</p>


I predict 500 and 4 TD's.</p>


What would you want for Moss? I thought you'd want Torrain because the word is that Hightower is out of grace with Shanahan. Which I understand because the guy has always sucked. He's got spped and no wiggle. Torrain will def. be the man for most of the season.</p>

lol i really don't know where u guys are getting ur reading material from

BUT Hightower hurt his shoulder last week on his third carry. Thats why Torrain got his. I read its a bruise and he should be 100% in like a week or so. So i would imagine Torrain getting work this week and then Hightower going back to where he was.

If im trading Moss for a back, its going to be for a real back

I do value him over Plax, just not when Nnamdi is on him - slump or not i don't care

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:28 PM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing


You don't have points, you have emotional responses it's ok, it's just a different way to think about things, but I think in this respect your emotional response to the Casey Anthony ruling is to simplistic, and the what you don't realize is that you can't separate one case from the system you need to formulate a "reason" for why she deserves the chair (and you haven't done that yet) and that reason must apply....to everyone else in the future...so it's not as easy as it sounds.

is it because the mother killed the child? then all mothers that kill their children must be sentenced to the Chair correct? no matter the circumstance...no that's to simplistic.

my point is there are already well defined circumstances which must be met in order for someone to be sent to the chair.

you simplify the question down to much....you asked me...do I think she would have gotten the chair.

that question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, you keep saying..."of course she would" but you can't say that...it's silly to say that...because without evidence you can not figure out what to convict her of...would it have been Murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? we can't know! because the evidence isn't there....thus we can't decide she deserves the chair...because we don't even know what we could have convicted her of.....as it stands...it was nothing...we couldn't convict her of anything at all.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:29 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)


lol there was no injury clause there

we didn't have an injury clause



Yeah we did, we always have the normal 3 week injury clause...pretty sure you asked for it cause you were worried about AB when we were at the track....(and you made fun of Blondie for not taking the bet :P) but whatever it's 50$ I don't know if I put it in my PM I'll check....if it's not there then I'll owe you that 50 probably.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:34 PM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing


You don't have points, you have emotional responses it's ok, it's just a different way to think about things, but I think in this respect your emotional response to the Casey Anthony ruling is to simplistic, and the what you don't realize is that you can't separate one case from the system you need to formulate a "reason" for why she deserves the chair (and you haven't done that yet) and that reason must apply....to everyone else in the future...so it's not as easy as it sounds.

is it because the mother killed the child? then all mothers that kill their children must be sentenced to the Chair correct? no matter the circumstance...no that's to simplistic.

my point is there are already well defined circumstances which must be met in order for someone to be sent to the chair.

you simplify the question down to much....you asked me...do I think she would have gotten the chair.

that question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, you keep saying..."of course she would" but you can't say that...it's silly to say that...because without evidence you can not figure out what to convict her of...would it have been Murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? we can't know! because the evidence isn't there....thus we can't decide she deserves the chair...because we don't even know what we could have convicted her of.....as it stands...it was nothing...we couldn't convict her of anything at all.


no again ur a moron. U confused what dezz said with what i said

so after reading ur first sentence, i stopped. IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:35 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)


lol there was no injury clause there

we didn't have an injury clause



Yeah we did, we always have the normal 3 week injury clause...pretty sure you asked for it cause you were worried about AB when we were at the track....(and you made fun of Blondie for not taking the bet :P) but whatever it's 50$ I don't know if I put it in my PM I'll check....if it's not there then I'll owe you that 50 probably.


na we def didn't do it. I remember asking u if u wanted it and u said no straight up and i said fine

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 04:40 PM
Can we not have this discussion in person either please?

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:44 PM
IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one


you can't know that, because the evidence to convict her of murder one clearly doesn't exist....you keep making that leap in logic...it's an emotional response.

if she so clearly would have gotten Murder 1....as you say...then how did she end up innocent, I said it to you in chat but I'll say it here for THEE thread too.

In order to decide whether she would get the chair I would need to see this new piece of evidence that gets her convicted, what is it, I can't just assume someone found innocent is guilty for no reason...give me a hypothetical...what did they find...depending on what it is the conviction, the charge...and the punishment will differ.

DavenIII
10-11-2011, 04:47 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)


lol there was no injury clause there

we didn't have an injury clause



Yeah we did, we always have the normal 3 week injury clause...pretty sure you asked for it cause you were worried about AB when we were at the track....(and you made fun of Blondie for not taking the bet :P) but whatever it's 50$ I don't know if I put it in my PM I'll check....if it's not there then I'll owe you that 50 probably.


na we def didn't do it. I remember asking u if u wanted it and u said no straight up and i said fine


ok fine then, don't wanna hear whining if it turns around though....god I hope it doesn't though we need them both healthy.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:55 PM
IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one


you can't know that, because the evidence to convict her of murder one clearly doesn't exist....you keep making that leap in logic...it's an emotional response.

if she so clearly would have gotten Murder 1....as you say...then how did she end up innocent, I said it to you in chat but I'll say it here for THEE thread too.

In order to decide whether she would get the chair I would need to see this new piece of evidence that gets her convicted, what is it, I can't just assume someone found innocent is guilty for no reason...give me a hypothetical...what did they find...depending on what it is the conviction, the charge...and the punishment will differ.


again this all started cuz Dezz said regardless kill the bithc. We both said shes innocent, can't do that.

We both agree that she probably did do it, right?

HAD they found the body a little earlier or she didn't cover up the crime so well they would of had the evidence to convict her

Between the smell in the car, the way she went about her life after, the lies to the parents and public about where the child was, the lies about some made up nanny kidnapping her - she would of been ****ED.

REGARDLESS - the nature of the crime had murder 1 written all over it.

MattMeyerBud
10-11-2011, 04:56 PM
The Redskins have yet to announce whether Hightower (shoulder) or Ryan
Torain will be the starting running back for Sunday's game against the
Eagles, according to the team's official Twitter page.


Guess Hightower is not the man...lol


Tell me everyone else saw me make this bet with Matt last week...man I called this so early.


predicting victory before they even played a game? Alrighty then

i'll enjoy collecting all $275 from u this year ;)


I think I'll end up owing ya 175, Jacobs is gonna miss more then three weeks and I'll take my injury clause there, I'm clearly losing atm in the GMB league....sigh..but Torian will have more carries from here on out.

btw did ya notice, I'm solidly alone in first in our other league...which I should mention is for more money :)


lol there was no injury clause there

we didn't have an injury clause



Yeah we did, we always have the normal 3 week injury clause...pretty sure you asked for it cause you were worried about AB when we were at the track....(and you made fun of Blondie for not taking the bet :P) but whatever it's 50$ I don't know if I put it in my PM I'll check....if it's not there then I'll owe you that 50 probably.


na we def didn't do it. I remember asking u if u wanted it and u said no straight up and i said fine


ok fine then, don't wanna hear whining if it turns around though....god I hope it doesn't though we need them both healthy.


na man i did wnat it, but u said no straight up. I said fine

I won't whine im just not going to give it to u now that I have the lead and Jacobs is banged up lol

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 05:13 PM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 05:52 PM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing


You don't have points, you have emotional responses it's ok, it's just a different way to think about things, but I think in this respect your emotional response to the Casey Anthony ruling is to simplistic, and the what you don't realize is that you can't separate one case from the system you need to formulate a "reason" for why she deserves the chair (and you haven't done that yet) and that reason must apply....to everyone else in the future...so it's not as easy as it sounds.

is it because the mother killed the child? then all mothers that kill their children must be sentenced to the Chair correct? no matter the circumstance...no that's to simplistic.

my point is there are already well defined circumstances which must be met in order for someone to be sent to the chair.

you simplify the question down to much....you asked me...do I think she would have gotten the chair.

that question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, you keep saying..."of course she would" but you can't say that...it's silly to say that...because without evidence you can not figure out what to convict her of...would it have been Murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? we can't know! because the evidence isn't there....thus we can't decide she deserves the chair...because we don't even know what we could have convicted her of.....as it stands...it was nothing...we couldn't convict her of anything at all.


no again ur a moron. U confused what dezz said with what i said

so after reading ur first sentence, i stopped. IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one
lol i havnt said anything....

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 05:56 PM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>ohhh whats this? the point iv been trying to make all along? would ya look at that...

dezzzR
10-11-2011, 05:58 PM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no? (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


<font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>

bigblue4417
10-11-2011, 06:27 PM
Dallas D is projected at 2.5 points this week @ New England. LOL!

ny06
10-11-2011, 11:50 PM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:17 AM
really? Because i think if somebody like Casey Anthony had been found guilty that she should be killed? I think im very logical. Eye for an eye.


It's illogical to try a base a punishment system on "how" guilty someone is or on "How" disgusting the crime they committed was....

it's a subjective scale...you can't structure a punishment system around something like that.

either you are guilty of ______ or you are Innocent of ____

if you are guilty of _____ then the punishment is determined by what the law states are acceptable punishments for ______.

you can not logically think that one person deserves a harsher punishment then any other person just because "you think she deserves it" and remain in the reasonable/logical world.

if you want to say a murderer deserves the death penalty because they took a life...that's a perfectly logical thought.

but to say people like "Casey Anthony" deserve the death penalty automatically makes the comment/thought emotional.

(And you can substitute the name Casey Anthony with ANY name including Osama if you want and it's still illogical)



and here we go

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:21 AM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.




daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:23 AM
and i also think u should treat others as you want to be treated

it may be in the bible but its not religious as oppose to just a way of life


lol there you go again.

We are all, "pretty" good people here Matt...do you honestly think anyone in this thread disagree's with what you are saying?

Of Course not, the question is not so simple though, you are having an emotional response to ONE Court case in which you disagreed with the result...

so your solution is to make big sweeping changes to the entire system...and you do not consider the other side of the coin....the side that executes someone you think is Innocent but is convicted.

do I think Casey Anthony was guilty....outside of a court room...HELL YES, but inside a court room....No she wasn't Matt....and beyond that...the result of ONE court case has little to no bearing on how the entire capital punishment system.




did i ask anybody to?

I was accused of being a bleeding heart and i responded with i am for the death penalty.

Mammy pointed out that I used a line from the bible and said it was ironic because I hate religion. I brought up another line do believe, whether it was in the bible or not.

At what point did I try and say thats how u all should live or believe or act?

Again the Casey Anthony trial was just the most specific pop example. I believe ANY parent that kills their toddler should be put to death. I forget the names of the other caes and for all the cases I don't even know about i believe that.

I dont think its a big sweeping change. Death penalty is alive and well in many states. How would it be a huge sweeping change? You act like ti doesn't exist in our country already.

Again ur mixing what dezz is saying to u with what i am saying to u. That or u need to start reading better and stop trolling


bump

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:25 AM
just for the record, stealing from the king did equate death in the Robin Hood tales..

The severity of the punishment is irrelevant, a Thief is a Thief and they get what a thief gets, a murderer is a murderer and they get what a murderer gets.





Because one is really an assisted suicide oppose to murder.

You act like there isn't different degrees of murder or that the death penalty doesn't exist.

You ACT like they DO exist Matt...they don't ...or at least not in the way you seem to think they do....



HAD Casey Anthony been convicted, in your honest non-trolling opinion - what degree would she been convicted of?


lol...HAD she been convicted? she wasn't convicted matt because they couldn't prove murder AT ALL...had she been convicted what degree would she be convicted of?

It's completely dependent on the evidence brought to court....but do you know what doesn't factor into it? the fact that it was her Daughter...yeah that has NO RELEVANCE, the fact that she partied afterwards....NO RELEVANCE.

the things that make most people think Casey Anthony deserved the death sentence (more then say Kervorkian) generally have absolutely nothing to do with how they determine who gets what punishment....that's what I'm trying to get across to you with the Robin Hood analogy Matt.


bump

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:26 AM
refusing to see the difference betwene Dr K and CA isn't logical, you just try to pretend it is

Asserting that there IS a difference is illogical.

socially, yes one is worse then the other, but when it comes to a court of law, 1st Degree Murder is 1st Degree Murder and the Penalty is the same whether it was your daughter and you partied afterwards or if it was your grandmother who was dying of cancer an begged you to put her out of her misery.

if convicted of 1st Degree Murder you face the same penalty....such as...the death penalty.

you want to pick and choose who gets it and who doesn't depending on outside factors....that's not a good idea.

as it was said before... there is no such thing as "Extra" Guilty....it can't be qualified, you want people who are "extra" guilty to get the death penalty....but those who aren't to not get it....but since "extra" Guilty isn't...A Thing...It can not be done.


i think i just figured out davens argument, he was under the impression that Dr. K got Muder 1. Which he didnt

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:34 AM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no? (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


<font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>


u asked why i thought something was stupid and i answered

where is there a yes or no question that u want answered? lol

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:35 AM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing


You don't have points, you have emotional responses it's ok, it's just a different way to think about things, but I think in this respect your emotional response to the Casey Anthony ruling is to simplistic, and the what you don't realize is that you can't separate one case from the system you need to formulate a "reason" for why she deserves the chair (and you haven't done that yet) and that reason must apply....to everyone else in the future...so it's not as easy as it sounds.

is it because the mother killed the child? then all mothers that kill their children must be sentenced to the Chair correct? no matter the circumstance...no that's to simplistic.

my point is there are already well defined circumstances which must be met in order for someone to be sent to the chair.

you simplify the question down to much....you asked me...do I think she would have gotten the chair.

that question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, you keep saying..."of course she would" but you can't say that...it's silly to say that...because without evidence you can not figure out what to convict her of...would it have been Murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? we can't know! because the evidence isn't there....thus we can't decide she deserves the chair...because we don't even know what we could have convicted her of.....as it stands...it was nothing...we couldn't convict her of anything at all.


no again ur a moron. U confused what dezz said with what i said

so after reading ur first sentence, i stopped. IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one
lol i havnt said anything....


this was like a month ago when we were talkin about Casey Anthony

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:37 AM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>ohhh whats this? the point iv been trying to make all along? would ya look at that...


lol i love when a writer that u kill writes something u agree wtih all of a sudden hes a genious lol.

And not for nothing i don't care how bad this loss was, week 14 last year was probably the worst or second worst feeling i've ever had as a Giants fan. I'd have to say the meltdown vs the Vikings and 9ers in the past 15 years rival it.

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 09:38 AM
thats why I stopped responding to his points a long time ago

Oh the Irony.



u have no idea what my points were, u were just confusing them with dezz

u honestly have talked so much **** that u don't even know who said what or what u are arguing


You don't have points, you have emotional responses it's ok, it's just a different way to think about things, but I think in this respect your emotional response to the Casey Anthony ruling is to simplistic, and the what you don't realize is that you can't separate one case from the system you need to formulate a "reason" for why she deserves the chair (and you haven't done that yet) and that reason must apply....to everyone else in the future...so it's not as easy as it sounds.

is it because the mother killed the child? then all mothers that kill their children must be sentenced to the Chair correct? no matter the circumstance...no that's to simplistic.

my point is there are already well defined circumstances which must be met in order for someone to be sent to the chair.

you simplify the question down to much....you asked me...do I think she would have gotten the chair.

that question is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, you keep saying..."of course she would" but you can't say that...it's silly to say that...because without evidence you can not figure out what to convict her of...would it have been Murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? we can't know! because the evidence isn't there....thus we can't decide she deserves the chair...because we don't even know what we could have convicted her of.....as it stands...it was nothing...we couldn't convict her of anything at all.


no again ur a moron. U confused what dezz said with what i said

so after reading ur first sentence, i stopped. IF she had been found guilty of murder, with the way they disposed the body, her post-crime actions, her lies told to everybody, and the fact that it was a baby - you could of bet ur **** it would of been murder one
lol i havnt said anything....


this was like a month ago when we were talkin about Casey Anthony


Good Mornin Fellas.--Logic is a matter of perspective.....and intelligence and or stupidity haha.

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 09:39 AM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


</P>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 09:41 AM
Thee Game--Comin down with me Bro-in-law. He's gotta get daycare in position that morning...He'll be getting to my house bet. 7am-7:30. That puts me on road and down there bet. 9am - 10 am. Sorry for circumstances, just being up front and giving notice cause that's how LT rolls. MMB--I'll call you when we get on patterson plank road to see where you're all at.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:42 AM
<font face="Arial">Morehead State</font> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </p>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</p>


</p>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</p>

I think he meant do u want to keep them

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 09:43 AM
LANDO--A public thanks for getting LtTaylor's Fantasy team rolling again. [Y]

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 09:43 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 09:43 AM
Thee Game--Comin down with me Bro-in-law. He's gotta get daycare in position that morning...He'll be getting to my house bet. 7am-7:30. That puts me on road and down there bet. 9am - 10 am. Sorry for circumstances, just being up front and giving notice cause that's how LT rolls. MMB--I'll call you when we get on patterson plank road to see where you're all at.


at least u were able to find somebody to go with you coughDEZZcough

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 09:45 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
</P>


Whats this about again. I want in.</P>

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 09:46 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?