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lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 10:47 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
</p>


Whats this about again. I want in.</p>You're a perfect fit for this one. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 10:47 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.


u say that but cut out where u actually went out on a tangent lol

and again... i went back to make sure that I haven't changed anything I said. ANybody found guilty of murdering a child in cold blood deserves the death penalty - sill stand by it. You say i'm emotional thats only because the example being used was Casey Anthony. Apply that to any sound thinking adult.

Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:48 AM
hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 10:49 AM
Thee Game--Comin down with me Bro-in-law. He's gotta get daycare in position that morning...He'll be getting to my house bet. 7am-7:30. That puts me on road and down there bet. 9am - 10 am. Sorry for circumstances, just being up front and giving notice cause that's how LT rolls. MMB--I'll call you when we get on patterson plank road to see where you're all at.


at least u were able to find somebody to go with you coughDEZZcough
[Y] Dezz, I feel bad that no-one can get over to the island and get you. I realize you can't drive, that sucks. Try offereing the ticket to one of your boy's for free to drive.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 10:49 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?


I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:51 AM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? <u>if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no?</u> (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


<font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>


u asked why i thought something was stupid and i answered

where is there a yes or no question that u want answered? lol
do you read? or just read the first sentence and stop?

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 10:52 AM
hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
</P>


I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</P>

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:53 AM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>BUUUUUUUMPPP

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 10:54 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
</p>


Whats this about again. I want in.</p>

it started talking about the death penalty

He basically said all murder is the same. And that the Casey Anthony case and Dr. Kevorkian case are the same thing.

I then made the comment that they are obviously different because had the jury been able to convict Casey Anthony as the killer, with all of the other evidence they would of been able to get murder one. Dr. K was charged wtih murder two. Daven doesn't see the difference

Also Daven accuses me of being a emotional because I feel anybody guilty of killing a child should get the chair.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:55 AM
hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
</p>


I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</p>stooop, seriously, who do you think it is?

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 10:55 AM
Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned


but you statement is illogical, I'm not questioning it I'm letting you know that.

in order to fit the charge Murder 1 evidence must be provided, all the things you are mentioning were brought to light by the prosecution and not only was she not convicted of Murder 1...she was found Innocent!

so NO matt, they WOULD NOT have been able to get murder one, this much we already know..that's a fact, now if there was another piece of evidence that wasn't presented? well depending on what that other piece of evidence was then maybe they could have gotten Murder 1...but as it stands with what WAS provided no Matt...as much as you want to believe she could have gotten Murder 1 she could not have.

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 10:56 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?
</P>


All I can tell you is what I learned in civics class.</P>


</P>


First degree Murder: Killing with intent and premeditation.</P>


Second degree Murder: Killing with intent without premeditation.</P>


Manslaughter: Killing without intend to kill, but intent to do harm, or in the commission of a crime.</P>


</P>


Legislatures over the years have blurred these lines with the passage of new criteria for each.</P>


</P>


As a strict opponent of the death penalty my views are skewed here.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 10:57 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?


I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.


i feel like if they had the evidence to convict her, there was enough supporting and circumstancial to get it to murder one from what we know. Had she got murder one and then add in the fact a baby was the victim - i think that person whould get the chair. WHOEVER it is. Again CA was just the example at hand

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 10:57 AM
hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
</P>


I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</P>


stooop, seriously, who do you think it is?
</P>


How the hell do I know. And I don't care. I care about what happens on the field.</P>

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:58 AM
Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned


but you statement is illogical, I'm not questioning it I'm letting you know that.

in order to fit the charge Murder 1 evidence must be provided, all the things you are mentioning were brought to light by the prosecution and not only was she not convicted of Murder 1...she was found Innocent!

so NO matt, they WOULD NOT have been able to get murder one, this much we already know..that's a fact, now if there was another piece of evidence that wasn't presented? well depending on what that other piece of evidence was then maybe they could have gotten Murder 1...but as it stands with what WAS provided no Matt...as much as you want to believe she could have gotten Murder 1 she could not have.
the thing that makes me so angry about this case is now its pretty much closed. ca is innocent and the search for the killer stops.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 10:59 AM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? <u>if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no?</u> (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


<font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>


u asked why i thought something was stupid and i answered

where is there a yes or no question that u want answered? lol
do you read? or just read the first sentence and stop?


did u read my response? I said why its stupid so no. You assume that the year would of played out the exact same way. Its a butterfly effect. Whose to say after a comfortable start to the season that we don't have a let down game vs the Texans, Lions, or Cowboys in the upcoming weeks.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 10:59 AM
hey mh, who do you think was drinking in the club house?
</p>


I think it was the hookers they brought in between innings.</p>


stooop, seriously, who do you think it is?
</p>


How the hell do I know. And I don't care. I care about what happens on the field.</p>youre boring

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 11:00 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?


I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.


i feel like if they had the evidence to convict her, there was enough supporting and circumstancial to get it to murder one from what we know. Had she got murder one and then add in the fact a baby was the victim - i think that person whould get the chair. WHOEVER it is. Again CA was just the example at hand
</P>


I think she did it but I don't think there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It could have been accidental and then they covered that up.</P>


The prosecution did not prove otherwise. Its not about what we think happened. Its about whether or not the prosecution proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.</P>

ny06
10-12-2011, 11:00 AM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


</P>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>


</P>


Is this you trying to be funny?</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:01 AM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>BUUUUUUUMPPP

I just hope he considrs last seasons week 14 a "long time ago". IF not i think i REALLY want him gone like ASAP lol

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 11:01 AM
a perfect example of this is the red sox. had the won. if they win at least 5 out of those 10 games they lost at the beginning of the season, they make the playoffs. to say ohh its april, oh its september, the game doesnt mean as much is ridiculous.


<u>again thats stupid.</u> They could of taken care of business and had it in their own hands when it was down the wire - they didn't

theres a million what ifs that could of happened in both scenerios. Bottom line they knowing had their destiny in their own hands, like the Giants did, and didn't capitalize
how is it stupid? <u>if they win those games, and the season plays out the way it did, even with the huge meltdown at the end, THEY STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. yes or no?</u> (dont you dare pull a mh and not answer!)thus proving all games are important.
i know what youre saying, a game late in the season to get in the playoffs is bigger than the titan game or any other game, BUT if the giants won any one of those games it doesnt have to be a "MUST" win. like you said we control our own destiny


its stupid because u assume the season would of went on the same exact way after that game...


<font size="6"><u>YES OR NO?????</u></font>


u asked why i thought something was stupid and i answered

where is there a yes or no question that u want answered? lol
do you read? or just read the first sentence and stop?


did u read my response? I said why its stupid so no. You assume that the year would of played out the exact same way. Its a butterfly effect. Whose to say after a comfortable start to the season that we don't have a let down game vs the Texans, Lions, or Cowboys in the upcoming weeks.


lol i cant even respond to this... its such ****. good thing tc seems to agree with me

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 11:02 AM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


</P>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>


</P>


Is this you trying to be funny?</P>


</P>


I don't get it. We really do need a starter and a right hand hitting outfielder. Oh and if we can somehow get back Handley Ramirez, I'm good with that too.</P>

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:03 AM
it started talking about the death penalty

He started talking about who should and shouldn't get the death penalty...and that it should be based upon his whims...not a stringent system.


He basically said all murder is the same.

I didn't say anything remotely resembling this remark, I did however provide him the definitions of Murder 1 and Murder 2 to show HIM the difference...since he doesn't understand it.




I then made the comment that they are obviously different because had the jury been able to convict Casey Anthony as the killer, with all of the other evidence they would of been able to get murder one. Dr. K was charged wtih murder two. Daven doesn't see the difference

Doesn't see the difference? It was brought up for a distinct purpose, after I showed you that "premeditation" is the distinguishing feature between Murder 1 and Murder 2 I mentioned that Dr.K. really should have been considered a murder 1 case by the book because he clearly had premeditated his murders....you completely ignored my point and went on to talk about how he was charged with Murder 2.....that's irreverent though, my point was that his Murders "fit" the description of Murder 1 (which I provided for you) and by YOUR black and white idea for the system he would have to be sent to the chair (which I knew you didn't agree with) it was pretty much brought up to show you how bad your system was....but you ignored the whole point.


Also Daven accuses me of being a emotional because I feel anybody guilty of killing a child should get the chair.

You are an emotional thinker, you do not think things through completely and you take things one at a time and make snap judgements on them....that's just how you are..it's not always a bad thing.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:05 AM
Again with the way the body was disposed, the lies to the police, and the way she was acting when the baby was gone missing (which was used in court) they would of been able to get murder 1.

I didn't ask any questions, i made a statement which u questioned


but you statement is illogical, I'm not questioning it I'm letting you know that.

in order to fit the charge Murder 1 evidence must be provided, all the things you are mentioning were brought to light by the prosecution and not only was she not convicted of Murder 1...she was found Innocent!

so NO matt, they WOULD NOT have been able to get murder one, this much we already know..that's a fact, now if there was another piece of evidence that wasn't presented? well depending on what that other piece of evidence was then maybe they could have gotten Murder 1...but as it stands with what WAS provided no Matt...as much as you want to believe she could have gotten Murder 1 she could not have.


now your flip flopping

This debate was over the death penalty. HAd they found evidence that she committed the murder was the premis we were debating on. The whole debate is illogical. But agian YOU were the one that brought it up..

Again all of the evidence they showed that we knew of would of got her murder 1. But they couldn't put the gun in her hand so to speak

You accuse me of having a rogue paragraphs in my debates but u just completely change what we are arguing mid-argument as soon as ur leverage slips. These were YOUR examples, my argument hasn't changed


You dont think there was enough supporting evidence to get it to murder 1, i do. But regardless this whole debate was over u calling me emotional for suggesting that anybody that gets murder 1 for killing a child should get the chair. How far you've fallen from that debate with all your mini points where u try and take this argument else where

ny06
10-12-2011, 11:06 AM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


</P>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>


</P>


Is this you trying to be funny?</P>


</P>


I don't get it. We really do need a starter and a right hand hitting outfielder. Oh and if we can somehow get back Handley Ramirez, I'm good with that too.</P>


</P>


My initial question was about losing Theo and Terry Francona. </P>


And you give me you guys need a pitcher and a right handed outfielder? </P>


The Red Sox need more then a pitcher and a hitter. They need a pulse, cause that team flatlined in September. </P>


</P>

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 11:07 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?


I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.
True, If I were on the jury, it would be very difficult for me to separate the two. It would haunt me after the trial.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:08 AM
I think she did it but I don't think there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It could have been accidental and then they covered that up.
</p>I think this is a highly likely possibility...

so when matt does his stupid ultimatum questions.

"But If she WAS Convicted she woulda got the death penalty right?

which is what he asked me, I can't answer him, because if it was accidental and then she tried to cover it up...NO she wasn't, if it was premeditated and she decided she didn't want to have the kid anymore and decided to kill it...then yes..

but since none of that was proven...we can't know anyhow.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:09 AM
daven is just as guilty as me of going off on tangents that have nothing to do wtih the topics at hands.

For some reason my theory of thinking an able bodied adult that kills a child in cold blood is emotional? I just say its a guideline


There is no tangent and yes you are making an emotional leap in logic.

just because Casey Anthony's Case is particularly horrible in your (our) opinion doesn't mean it needs to be treated differently, you still need to meet all the same guidelines that anyone else would.

you are saying...if found guilty she would get the chair...but that's faulty logic...depending on what evidence is provided to prove she's guilty she could have gotten anywhere from manslaughter to Murder 1...we can't know without knowing what piece of evidence was missing...we just can't.

you asked extremely complicated questions, then ask for yes or no answers....it can't be done, when I try to explain why, you tell me I'm going off on a tangent.
It's the extra stuff that get's to me with Casey. I know from a legal standpoint, they must remain impartial and look solely at the fact's, but I can't get past her getting tat's and entering a hot body contest soon after the incident. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt--maybe she was so stricken with sorrow and immature that this was the only way she knew how to deal with the tragic loss of her child?


I agree with you LT, but that's from a shooting the **** perspective with you, I obviously feel that, that is an unusual way to grieve if you can even call it that, BUT if I was on the jury you can't really take that into account....you need to stick to evidence and proof.


i feel like if they had the evidence to convict her, there was enough supporting and circumstancial to get it to murder one from what we know. Had she got murder one and then add in the fact a baby was the victim - i think that person whould get the chair. WHOEVER it is. Again CA was just the example at hand
</p>


I think she did it but I don't think there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It could have been accidental and then they covered that up.</p>


The prosecution did not prove otherwise. Its not about what we think happened. Its about whether or not the prosecution proved it beyond a reasonable doubt.</p>

We were talking about if she had been found guilty. THey tried to prove her guilty JUST because of her lies to the cops, the witnesses that smelled the body, the way they covered up the body, the way she acted - I think they would of had motive that she didn't want the responsibility. They almost convicted her alone on these facts.

I agree they didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but we were speaking hypothetically

Either way bottom line i stand behind the sole fact of what daven tries to argue: I am for the death penalty and any adult found guilty of murder in the 1st of killing a minor should be put to death

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 11:11 AM
<FONT face=Arial>Morehead State</FONT> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </P>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</P>


</P>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</P>


</P>


Is this you trying to be funny?</P>


</P>


I don't get it. We really do need a starter and a right hand hitting outfielder. Oh and if we can somehow get back Handley Ramirez, I'm good with that too.</P>


</P>


My initial question was about losing Theo and Terry Francona. </P>


And you give me you guys need a pitcher and a right handed outfielder? </P>


The Red Sox need more then a pitcher and a hitter. They need a pulse, cause that team flatlined in September. </P>


</P>


</P>


Tito was a great manager. Will probably go down as the greatest in Sox history. But he didn't want to stay. Managers in baseball are not near as important as HC's in football or even basketball. There is no scheme to implement. Its more about managing personalities, lineups and pitching staffs.</P>


Most of that is baseball 101 stuff. Any new manager will probably be fine. And I'm not a huge believer in the "genius" of Theo. Give him half the payroll and see if he can win. He's had some questionable signings recently.</P>


In other words, the Sox will be fine because its the player who lost it. Especially Lester and Beckett.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:15 AM
it started talking about the death penalty

He started talking about who should and shouldn't get the death penalty...and that it should be based upon his whims...not a stringent system.


He basically said all murder is the same.

I didn't say anything remotely resembling this remark, I did however provide him the definitions of Murder 1 and Murder 2 to show HIM the difference...since he doesn't understand it.




I then made the comment that they are obviously different because had the jury been able to convict Casey Anthony as the killer, with all of the other evidence they would of been able to get murder one. Dr. K was charged wtih murder two. Daven doesn't see the difference

Doesn't see the difference? It was brought up for a distinct purpose, after I showed you that "premeditation" is the distinguishing feature between Murder 1 and Murder 2 I mentioned that Dr.K. really should have been considered a murder 1 case by the book because he clearly had premeditated his murders....you completely ignored my point and went on to talk about how he was charged with Murder 2.....that's irreverent though, my point was that his Murders "fit" the description of Murder 1 (which I provided for you) and by YOUR black and white idea for the system he would have to be sent to the chair (which I knew you didn't agree with) it was pretty much brought up to show you how bad your system was....but you ignored the whole point.


Also Daven accuses me of being a emotional because I feel anybody guilty of killing a child should get the chair.

You are an emotional thinker, you do not think things through completely and you take things one at a time and make snap judgements on them....that's just how you are..it's not always a bad thing.


1) again that was u just jumping to conclusions and being an *******. Thats why I went back and bumped. AGAIN - ANYBODY FOUND GUILTY OF MURDER 1 OF A CHILD SHOULD GET THE CHAIR.

2) I already Bumped when u said all murder is the same. Hell your general comparison of Dr. K to CA basically proves that.

3) You brought up something that WASNT murder, but assisted suicide. He didn't do the murdering though. IF you take my care and kill yourself, should I be considered a murderer?

4) Again - if u disagree with anybody found guilty of Murder 1 of a child should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law well then thats your opinion. Go to jail being a rapist or doing something to a child, your the scumbags scumbag. I don't hink that illogical, i think its spot on. The difference here is u don't believe in the death penalty and i do.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:16 AM
<font face="Arial">Morehead State</font> (/members/Morehead+State.aspx) </p>


What are your thoughts on having to replace Theo Epstein and Terry Francona?</p>


</p>


As long as we get another solid starter and a right handed hitting outfielder.</p>


</p>


Is this you trying to be funny?</p>


</p>


I don't get it. We really do need a starter and a right hand hitting outfielder. Oh and if we can somehow get back Handley Ramirez, I'm good with that too.</p>


</p>


My initial question was about losing Theo and Terry Francona. </p>


And you give me you guys need a pitcher and a right handed outfielder? </p>


The Red Sox need more then a pitcher and a hitter. They need a pulse, cause that team flatlined in September. </p>


</p>


</p>


Tito was a great manager. Will probably go down as the greatest in Sox history. But he didn't want to stay. Managers in baseball are not near as important as HC's in football or even basketball. There is no scheme to implement. Its more about managing personalities, lineups and pitching staffs.</p>


Most of that is baseball 101 stuff. Any new manager will probably be fine. And I'm not a huge believer in the "genius" of Theo. Give him half the payroll and see if he can win. He's had some questionable signings recently.</p>


In other words, the Sox will be fine because its the player who lost it. Especially Lester and Beckett.</p>

like Crawford?

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:17 AM
I think she did it but I don't think there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It could have been accidental and then they covered that up.
</p>I think this is a highly likely possibility...

so when matt does his stupid ultimatum questions.

"But If she WAS Convicted she woulda got the death penalty right?

which is what he asked me, I can't answer him, because if it was accidental and then she tried to cover it up...NO she wasn't, if it was premeditated and she decided she didn't want to have the kid anymore and decided to kill it...then yes..

but since none of that was proven...we can't know anyhow.


lol even if ithat was the case i'd still say that it was completely different than the Dr. K case.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:19 AM
now your flip flopping

If you think I'm flip flopping explain to me how because my position hasn't changed since the first comments we made discussing this topic more then a month ago.


This debate was over the death penalty. <font size="6" color="#0000FF">HAd they found evidence</font> that she committed the murder was the premis we were debating on. The whole debate is illogical. But agian YOU were the one that brought it up..

No, you are, and you STILL don't understand what the debate is really over, so I'm highlighting it for you, WHAT WAS IT...because whether she gets Murder 1 2 manslaughter or nothing at all is explicitly dependent on WHAT the evidence they found was.


Again all of the evidence they showed that we knew of would of got her murder 1. But they couldn't put the gun in her hand so to speak

No all the evidence they showed would have got her an Innocent verdict...that's why that's what she got, now if there was something else...then YES maybe that combined with what was shown may have gotten her Murder 1...but we can't know without knowing what that evidence that wasn't provided was.


You accuse me of having a rogue paragraphs in my debates but u just completely change what we are arguing mid-argument as soon as ur leverage slips. These were YOUR examples, my argument hasn't changed


My argument has been...from the very begining...the issue I have with your comment bolded above...you simply do not see the fault in that logic so YOU are arguing about completely irreverent topics that surround my point...I entertain those other topics...because im bored at work at times :P



You dont think there was enough supporting evidence to get it to murder 1, i do.

No Matt, I don't "think" there wasn't enough supporting evidence, I know for a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't..because she was found Innocent, now if there was more evidence...a smoking gun so to speak...that showing specifically that she intended on killing her child and made a plan to do so...then yes, that would have been enough...but that didn't exist.



But regardless this whole debate was over u calling me emotional for suggesting that anybody that gets murder 1 for killing a child should get the chair. How far you've fallen from that debate with all your mini points where u try and take this argument else where

I'm not taking this argument anywhere...YOU are, I'm just following through, the main point from the beginning is that you are jumping to an emotional conclusion, you want to change how the entire criminal punishment system works based on the outcome of one case.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:21 AM
lol even if ithat was the case i'd still say that it was completely different than the Dr. K case.


The reason the Dr. K case was brought up was the fact that it fits with the definition of Murder 1 (premeditated murder) the fact that he got murder 2 further proves my point that we can't know what CA would have gotten, even if this magical evidence appeared that got her convicted....it's possible that even if that evidence proved murder one she could still get murder 2 or less.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:22 AM
True, If I were on the jury, it would be very difficult for me to separate the two. It would haunt me after the trial.


I certainly do not envy the jury of that case...I would literally be distraught, I would WANT to convict her...but my inability to deviate from what is required of you as a Jury would not have let me.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:22 AM
now your flip flopping

If you think I'm flip flopping explain to me how because my position hasn't changed since the first comments we made discussing this topic more then a month ago.


This debate was over the death penalty. <font color="#0000ff" size="6">HAd they found evidence</font> that she committed the murder was the premis we were debating on. The whole debate is illogical. But agian YOU were the one that brought it up..

No, you are, and you STILL don't understand what the debate is really over, so I'm highlighting it for you, WHAT WAS IT...because whether she gets Murder 1 2 manslaughter or nothing at all is explicitly dependent on WHAT the evidence they found was.


Again all of the evidence they showed that we knew of would of got her murder 1. But they couldn't put the gun in her hand so to speak

No all the evidence they showed would have got her an Innocent verdict...that's why that's what she got, now if there was something else...then YES maybe that combined with what was shown may have gotten her Murder 1...but we can't know without knowing what that evidence that wasn't provided was.


You accuse me of having a rogue paragraphs in my debates but u just completely change what we are arguing mid-argument as soon as ur leverage slips. These were YOUR examples, my argument hasn't changed


My argument has been...from the very begining...the issue I have with your comment bolded above...you simply do not see the fault in that logic so YOU are arguing about completely irreverent topics that surround my point...I entertain those other topics...because im bored at work at times :P



You dont think there was enough supporting evidence to get it to murder 1, i do.

No Matt, I don't "think" there wasn't enough supporting evidence, I know for a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't..because she was found Innocent, now if there was more evidence...a smoking gun so to speak...that showing specifically that she intended on killing her child and made a plan to do so...then yes, that would have been enough...but that didn't exist.



But regardless this whole debate was over u calling me emotional for suggesting that anybody that gets murder 1 for killing a child should get the chair. How far you've fallen from that debate with all your mini points where u try and take this argument else where

I'm not taking this argument anywhere...YOU are, I'm just following through, the main point from the beginning is that you are jumping to an emotional conclusion, you want to change how the entire criminal punishment system works based on the outcome of one case.





daven had they put the gun in her hand - her plea was that she was innocent NOT that it was accidental. NO SHOT they would of got accidental after all of her lies, pleas, and the way she acted.

So HAD they found out she had did it, they would of had enough to not give her Murder 2 is the point im making. They would of went to the extent of the law.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:22 AM
now your flip flopping

If you think I'm flip flopping explain to me how because my position hasn't changed since the first comments we made discussing this topic more then a month ago.


This debate was over the death penalty. <font color="#0000ff" size="6">HAd they found evidence</font> that she committed the murder was the premis we were debating on. The whole debate is illogical. But agian YOU were the one that brought it up..

No, you are, and you STILL don't understand what the debate is really over, so I'm highlighting it for you, WHAT WAS IT...because whether she gets Murder 1 2 manslaughter or nothing at all is explicitly dependent on WHAT the evidence they found was.


Again all of the evidence they showed that we knew of would of got her murder 1. But they couldn't put the gun in her hand so to speak

No all the evidence they showed would have got her an Innocent verdict...that's why that's what she got, now if there was something else...then YES maybe that combined with what was shown may have gotten her Murder 1...but we can't know without knowing what that evidence that wasn't provided was.


You accuse me of having a rogue paragraphs in my debates but u just completely change what we are arguing mid-argument as soon as ur leverage slips. These were YOUR examples, my argument hasn't changed


My argument has been...from the very begining...the issue I have with your comment bolded above...you simply do not see the fault in that logic so YOU are arguing about completely irreverent topics that surround my point...I entertain those other topics...because im bored at work at times :P



You dont think there was enough supporting evidence to get it to murder 1, i do.

No Matt, I don't "think" there wasn't enough supporting evidence, I know for a fact beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't..because she was found Innocent, now if there was more evidence...a smoking gun so to speak...that showing specifically that she intended on killing her child and made a plan to do so...then yes, that would have been enough...but that didn't exist.



But regardless this whole debate was over u calling me emotional for suggesting that anybody that gets murder 1 for killing a child should get the chair. How far you've fallen from that debate with all your mini points where u try and take this argument else where

I'm not taking this argument anywhere...YOU are, I'm just following through, the main point from the beginning is that you are jumping to an emotional conclusion, you want to change how the entire criminal punishment system works based on the outcome of one case.





daven had they put the gun in her hand - her plea was that she was innocent NOT that it was accidental. NO SHOT they would of got accidental after all of her lies, pleas, and the way she acted.

So HAD they found out she had did it, they would of had enough to not give her Murder 2 is the point im making. They would of went to the extent of the law.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:25 AM
lol even if ithat was the case i'd still say that it was completely different than the Dr. K case.


The reason the Dr. K case was brought up was the fact that it fits with the definition of Murder 1 (premeditated murder) the fact that he got murder 2 further proves my point that we can't know what CA would have gotten, even if this magical evidence appeared that got her convicted....it's possible that even if that evidence proved murder one she could still get murder 2 or less.


again no it wasn't - u obviously don't know the story of Dr. K

He actually didn't kill anybody

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:25 AM
lol even if ithat was the case i'd still say that it was completely different than the Dr. K case.


The reason the Dr. K case was brought up was the fact that it fits with the definition of Murder 1 (premeditated murder) the fact that he got murder 2 further proves my point that we can't know what CA would have gotten, even if this magical evidence appeared that got her convicted....it's possible that even if that evidence proved murder one she could still get murder 2 or less.


again no it wasn't - u obviously don't know the story of Dr. K

He actually didn't kill anybody

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:26 AM
lol even if ithat was the case i'd still say that it was completely different than the Dr. K case.


The reason the Dr. K case was brought up was the fact that it fits with the definition of Murder 1 (premeditated murder) the fact that he got murder 2 further proves my point that we can't know what CA would have gotten, even if this magical evidence appeared that got her convicted....it's possible that even if that evidence proved murder one she could still get murder 2 or less.


again no it wasn't - u obviously don't know the story of Dr. K

He actually didn't kill anybody

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:33 AM
daven had they put the gun in her hand - her plea was that she was innocent NOT that it was accidental.

It was Accidental is not a plea, if it was accidental...the plea would be that of Innocent.



NO SHOT they would of got accidental after all of her lies, pleas, and the way she acted.

so YOU say....(emotionally) are you a lawyer now?


So HAD they found out she had did it, they would of had enough to not give her Murder 2 is the point im making. They would of went to the extent of the law.


the above comment...DOESN'T MAKE SENSE matt...it just doesn't make any sense that's what I'm trying to get across to you.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:35 AM
again no it wasn't - u obviously don't know the story of Dr. K

He actually didn't kill anybody


Assisted Suicide can be considered Murder in some states (I believe) even if the Doctor only prescribes the drugs and doesn't administer them...as long as it can be proven that he had knowledge of the patients plan to commit suicide with them.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 11:35 AM
LANDO--A public thanks for getting LtTaylor's Fantasy team rolling again. [Y]

I didn't do anything my friend. Trades are to make both teams better. Unless you are Daven.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 11:46 AM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>BUUUUUUUMPPP

I just hope he considrs last seasons week 14 a "long time ago". IF not i think i REALLY want him gone like ASAP lol

NO ****!!! It doesn't get much worse than that loss. I hated talking about it so much yesterday. lol

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 11:47 AM
LANDO--A public thanks for getting LtTaylor's Fantasy team rolling again. [Y]

I didn't do anything my friend. Trades are to make both teams better. Unless you are Daven.
[B] I need to get rid of the NYG defense, there's no fanhood in fantasy. With the inconsistent sloppy secondary performance last week, I am not happy.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:47 AM
daven had they put the gun in her hand - her plea was that she was innocent NOT that it was accidental.

It was Accidental is not a plea, if it was accidental...the plea would be that of Innocent.



NO SHOT they would of got accidental after all of her lies, pleas, and the way she acted.

so YOU say....(emotionally) are you a lawyer now?


So HAD they found out she had did it, they would of had enough to not give her Murder 2 is the point im making. They would of went to the extent of the law.


the above comment...DOESN'T MAKE SENSE matt...it just doesn't make any sense that's what I'm trying to get across to you.


yes it does. If they were able to say that Casey Anthony was the person who caused the death of Caylee - the other things they brought forth to the trial would of been able to bring it to murder one... there was enough circumstantial to convince the jury

and I am not more a lawyer than you are

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 11:48 AM
The New York Giants will remember the Seahawks loss in late December.
While we’re busy figuring out tiebreakers in a four-way NFC East race,
Tom Coughlin will be having flashbacks to the game that got away.

“This is about as miserable a feeling here as we’ve had in a long time,” coach Tom Coughlin said after the game.</p>


This game that got away figures to be a miserable memory for the Giants all season long.</p>BUUUUUUUMPPP

I just hope he considrs last seasons week 14 a "long time ago". IF not i think i REALLY want him gone like ASAP lol

NO ****!!! It doesn't get much worse than that loss. I hated talking about it so much yesterday. lol
Glad I was not here for that. Djax still haunts my dreams with that runback

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 11:48 AM
cause that team flatlined in September.


</p>
Change the month and we are talking about the Yankees.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:51 AM
again no it wasn't - u obviously don't know the story of Dr. K

He actually didn't kill anybody


Assisted Suicide can be considered Murder in some states (I believe) even if the Doctor only prescribes the drugs and doesn't administer them...as long as it can be proven that he had knowledge of the patients plan to commit suicide with them.


again one is one person killing themselves and the other is somebody taking somebody else's life without their consent

It can be considered murder, as high as murder two. I spent a half day looking for assisted suicide cases that were found murder 1. I haven't been able to. Murder 2 is as high of a charge that assisted suicide could get

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 11:51 AM
are the lions a legit threat to the packers?

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 11:52 AM
are the lions a legit threat to the packers?


i don't think anybody can

THey have a great front 7 but I don't think they have the secondary to play

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 11:53 AM
PM

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 11:53 AM
So this is new, nooner has been only on Friday's for as long as I can remember. Now it looks like they added Tuesday. Not sure how I feel about that, once a week was enough.


<a href="http://www.americancurvesmag.com/galleries/beach-bods/">http://www.americancurvesmag.com/galleries/beach-bods/
</a>
http://www.americancurvesmag.com/nooner/images/2011/Oct11_BeachBods.jpg

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 11:55 AM
yes it does. If they were able to say that Casey Anthony was the person who caused the death of Caylee - the other things they brought forth to the trial would of been able to bring it to murder one... there was enough circumstantial to convince the jury

and I am not more a lawyer than you are


No Matt, it doesn't make sense, if the circumstantial evidence is such that she wasn't even convicted, if the evidence was such that she was found innocent, then had she miraculously been found guilty (by a corrupt jury I could only imagine who decided like you are to convict someone of a crime without the evidence required to do so) there is no way in hell the judge would have allowed the Death Penalty (even if it was allowed in the state) ....unless the judge was also corrupt.

pretty much you are asking for the jury and the judge to decide to say...**** the system..we hate this *****...Death Penalty.

that's what your saying...whether you know it or not.

And if you want, I can bring three lawyers into this conversation, 2 of my best friends from Highschool have passed the Bar, one is currently practicing, plus another guy I drink with at a bar 2-3 times a week happens to be a Lawyer as well, none of the specialize in criminal law...but I'm sure they can ask other lawyers that do in the circles they run.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 11:58 AM
are the lions a legit threat to the packers?

No, as cliche as it is, the only team that can beat the Packers is the Packers. They look better than last year. I feel bad for the Rams. How do you even get pumped up for that game?

It would be awesome if the Lions and the Packers played on Thanksgiving and were both undefeated.

byron
10-12-2011, 12:00 PM
LT ...pm

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:02 PM
yes it does. If they were able to say that Casey Anthony was the person who caused the death of Caylee - the other things they brought forth to the trial would of been able to bring it to murder one... there was enough circumstantial to convince the jury

and I am not more a lawyer than you are


No Matt, it doesn't make sense, if the circumstantial evidence is such that she wasn't even convicted, if the evidence was such that she was found innocent, then had she miraculously been found guilty (by a corrupt jury I could only imagine who decided like you are to convict someone of a crime without the evidence required to do so) there is no way in hell the judge would have allowed the Death Penalty (even if it was allowed in the state) ....unless the judge was also corrupt.

pretty much you are asking for the jury and the judge to decide to say...**** the system..we hate this *****...Death Penalty.

that's what your saying...whether you know it or not.

And if you want, I can bring three lawyers into this conversation, 2 of my best friends from Highschool have passed the Bar, one is currently practicing, plus another guy I drink with at a bar 2-3 times a week happens to be a Lawyer as well, none of the specialize in criminal law...but I'm sure they can ask other lawyers that do in the circles they run.


again had they had evidence that it was her that disposed the body it would of been enough with the other things they brought forth in the trial to get her murder one.

Its not a stretch at all.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 12:03 PM
again one is one person killing themselves and the other is somebody taking somebody else's life without their consent

It can be considered murder, as high as murder two. I spent a half day looking for assisted suicide cases that were found murder 1. I haven't been able to. Murder 2 is as high of a charge that assisted suicide could get


you are contradicting yourself right here, you said it can't be considered murder, but then say it can be considered murder 2.

I will agree that it is difficult to find a murder 1 case on assisted suicide, but I don't see how that has anything to do with what we are talking about.

the only reason I brought Dr.K. up was to show that even though his crime fits the description of Murder 1, he only got Murder 2.

<font color="#0000FF">Murder 1 = In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing
that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed
after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.</font>

Dr.K's Murders (and they were murders if he was convicted of Murder 2 which he was) are all 3 of those things, they were unlawful, they were willful AND they were premeditated.

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 12:04 PM
again had they had evidence that it was her that disposed the body it would of been enough with the other things they brought forth in the trial to get her murder one.

Its not a stretch at all.


It's not a stretch, it's just plain wrong.

I will say, even if they had video of her disposing the body, even with all the circumstantial evidence that is HIGHLY unlikely that she would have gotten Murder 1, and even if she did I would say there there is less then a 1% chance she would have gotten the death Penalty (is the Death Penalty even allowed in that state?)

It is likely they would have went with the accidental theory that Morehead brought up earlier...which means at worst with the evidence provided (including this magic video tape of her disposing the body) I think it's almost a sure thing she would have ended up with manslaughter.....because of the supposed accidental nature of the death.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:09 PM
again one is one person killing themselves and the other is somebody taking somebody else's life without their consent

It can be considered murder, as high as murder two. I spent a half day looking for assisted suicide cases that were found murder 1. I haven't been able to. Murder 2 is as high of a charge that assisted suicide could get


you are contradicting yourself right here, you said it can't be considered murder, but then say it can be considered murder 2.

I will agree that it is difficult to find a murder 1 case on assisted suicide, but I don't see how that has anything to do with what we are talking about.

the only reason I brought Dr.K. up was to show that even though his crime fits the description of Murder 1, he only got Murder 2.

<font color="#0000ff">Murder 1 = In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing
that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed
after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.</font>

Dr.K's Murders (and they were murders if he was convicted of Murder 2 which he was) are all 3 of those things, they were unlawful, they were willful AND they were premeditated.


Because bottom line if they could of proved she dumped the body, with the lies she told about making up some house keeper, her denial of DUMPING the body, the testimony of her car smelling of death (from her parents), the way she acted while the baby was missing, the way the baby was found - ur crazy to think they wouldn't of got murder one on her...

It doesn't fit the description of murder 1 - seeing as how he DIDNT KILL ANYBODY. Murder 2 is actually the max sentence given for assisted suicide. In some states its not even considered a crime. You say he got off easy, but he actually got charged wtih the worst charge he could have. He just got the shortest sentence

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:13 PM
again had they had evidence that it was her that disposed the body it would of been enough with the other things they brought forth in the trial to get her murder one.

Its not a stretch at all.


It's not a stretch, it's just plain wrong.

I will say, even if they had video of her disposing the body, even with all the circumstantial evidence that is HIGHLY unlikely that she would have gotten Murder 1, and even if she did I would say there there is less then a 1% chance she would have gotten the death Penalty (is the Death Penalty even allowed in that state?)

It is likely they would have went with the accidental theory that Morehead brought up earlier...which means at worst with the evidence provided (including this magic video tape of her disposing the body) I think it's almost a sure thing she would have ended up with manslaughter.....because of the supposed accidental nature of the death.


no way... all the lies she would of been caught in? Murder 1 would of been guaranteed

Florida is a death penalty state and we weren't debating whether she would have gotten it or not. I suggest that she should have. It was a personal opinion. And its not emotional:

<font color="#0000ff"><span class="hw">first degree murder</span> n. although it varies from
state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and
premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a
scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson,
involving multiple deaths, </font><font color="#0000ff" size="6">the killing of certain types of people (such
as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner)</font><font color="#0000ff">, or
with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for
first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the
United States Code in federal prosecutions. It is distinguished from
second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from
manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there
was intent to harm rather than to kill. (See: murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder), second degree murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second%20degree%20murder), manslaughter (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter), felony murder doctrine (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/felony%20murder%20doctrine))</font>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:13 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 12:14 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
lmao

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:16 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
</P>


Or we will do to you what you are arguing about. And NO JURY WOULD CONVICT US.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:21 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
</p>


Or we will do to you what you are arguing about. And NO JURY WOULD CONVICT US.</p>

im gonna poison your soy sauce on sat

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 12:21 PM
eating fast food releases the same chemicals when you take heroine......

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Because bottom line if they could of proved she dumped the body, with the lies she told about making up some house keeper, her denial of DUMPING the body, the testimony of her car smelling of death (from her parents), the way she acted while the baby was missing, the way the baby was found - ur crazy to think they wouldn't of got murder one on her...

Proving she dumped the body and that she lied about it, does not prove it wasn't an accidental death that she tried to cover up, I think you have a very limited knowledge of the legal system....proving someone lies does not equal proving they committed a murder....


It doesn't fit the description of murder 1 - seeing as how he DIDNT KILL ANYBODY. Murder 2 is actually the max sentence given for assisted suicide. In some states its not even considered a crime. You say he got off easy, but he actually got charged wtih the worst charge he could have. He just got the shortest sentence


If he didn't kill anyone then how did he get murder 2?
The sentencing is different in each state, I believe the harsher penalties end up being something like 60-80 Years in jail...people convicted of murder one get less the that a times.

The only state that recognizes Assisted Suicide as something other then Murder/Manslaughter is Oregon, they have a specific law that deals with it.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?

This game is HUGE. He has to play. He at least needs to try and if he can't then he can't.

He knows it and every Giants fan knows it.

I think we will see alot of no huddle from the Bills as well.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:26 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:26 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
</p>


Or we will do to you what you are arguing about. And NO JURY WOULD CONVICT US.</p>

im gonna poison your soy sauce on sat

Poor some sugar on me

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:28 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
lmao
I am going to miss you buttercup. Hopefully before I die you will go to the stadium when I'm there.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 12:29 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?
<font color="#FF0000">im 100% confident fewell will think of something...........................</font>



i miss the dominate defense of 08[:'(]

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 12:30 PM
no way... all the lies she would of been caught in? Murder 1 would of been guaranteed

Florida is a death penalty state and we weren't debating whether she would have gotten it or not. I suggest that she should have. It was a personal opinion. And its not emotional:

<font color="#0000ff"><span class="hw">first degree murder</span> n. although it varies from
state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and
premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a
scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson,
involving multiple deaths, </font><font size="6" color="#0000ff">the killing of certain types of people (such
as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner)</font><font color="#0000ff">, or
with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for
first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the
United States Code in federal prosecutions. It is distinguished from
second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from
manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there
was intent to harm rather than to kill. (See: murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder), second degree murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second%20degree%20murder), manslaughter (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter), felony murder doctrine (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/felony%20murder%20doctrine))</font>


You can prove that she's never told the truth in her entire life Matt...the point is proving that she "lied" doesn't prove that she "killed" they are unrelated.

And yes while the part you've bolded above does make a difference you forgot to mention you still have to...

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.
#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>
#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)</font>

Until you can prove those 3 things, the fact that it was a little girl, a Cop a Prison guard or anyone else is not relevant....it does not matter...until AFTER you prove those first 3 points Matt.

It's gotta fit EVERYTHING not just one or two pieces.

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:32 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:33 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?

This game is HUGE. He has to play. He at least needs to try and if he can't then he can't.

He knows it and every Giants fan knows it.

I think we will see alot of no huddle from the Bills as well.
I'm torn with Tuck playing, I know we need him, but I want him to be solid for second part of our season. The no - huddle= No worries for NYG. They practiced for Seattle's no-huddle last week and look how well we responded?

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:34 PM
This sucks, will you 2 shut the **** up please!!!
</p>


Or we will do to you what you are arguing about. And NO JURY WOULD CONVICT US.</p>

im gonna poison your soy sauce on sat

Poor some sugar on me
1 armed def leppard

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:35 PM
I still don't know who everyone is in our league...Cheddar Bob=who? besides the guy from M&amp;M movie.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:38 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>
You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:39 PM
I still don't know who everyone is in our league...Cheddar Bob=who? besides the guy from M&amp;M movie.
</P>


Cheddar Bob's is Lawl. G's up is Sharieff.</P>

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:41 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>



You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

</P>


Decker is doomed because of the Tebow thing. What the hell happened to Orton. He forgot how to play this year and he was so good last year.</P>


McGahee looks like a genius draft pick though. And Torrain is going to replace Hightower no matter what Matt says.</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:41 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:41 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?



pray

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:42 PM
I still don't know who everyone is in our league...Cheddar Bob=who? besides the guy from M&amp;M movie.

Lawl

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:45 PM
I also noticed the trade deadline was the week of the playoffs. Last year it was week 10 I believe. I think we should move it back to prevent bad trades from lower teams to higher teams right before the playoffs. Plus I think it involves more strategy with waivers and making sure you have everyone you need. Makes the trade deadline fun as well. Plus it was like that last year and I know you changed the settings to your league but I have stated my case. We can put it to a vote or just move it back to the way it was. Hopefully people agree with me...

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:45 PM
Because bottom line if they could of proved she dumped the body, with the lies she told about making up some house keeper, her denial of DUMPING the body, the testimony of her car smelling of death (from her parents), the way she acted while the baby was missing, the way the baby was found - ur crazy to think they wouldn't of got murder one on her...

Proving she dumped the body and that she lied about it, does not prove it wasn't an accidental death that she tried to cover up, I think you have a very limited knowledge of the legal system....proving someone lies does not equal proving they committed a murder....


It doesn't fit the description of murder 1 - seeing as how he DIDNT KILL ANYBODY. Murder 2 is actually the max sentence given for assisted suicide. In some states its not even considered a crime. You say he got off easy, but he actually got charged wtih the worst charge he could have. He just got the shortest sentence


If he didn't kill anyone then how did he get murder 2?
The sentencing is different in each state, I believe the harsher penalties end up being something like 60-80 Years in jail...people convicted of murder one get less the that a times.

The only state that recognizes Assisted Suicide as something other then Murder/Manslaughter is Oregon, they have a specific law that deals with it.


proving somebody lies destroys their credibility to the jury. IF you have a person up there charged for murder whose already lied about accusing somebody else of kidnapping the baby AND lied about having anything to do with it and then dumping the body - that would go a LOOONG way in the eyes of the jury.

And thats not true at all. Per your own website that you posted when this whole argument happened there ewre many states that had all different rulings on it.

CERTAIN people do. I agree. I'm not saying ALL murder 1s should get the death penalty. I think it is a case by case basis (like i've said about 40 times already). BUT, I do think anybody that gets convicted of killing a minor should be put to death. Thats a personal belief, like i've said. You can say thats illogical all you want, but to me (and MANY MANY other people) it makes complete sense

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:45 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?



pray
****ttt. Arghhh. Then we get a bye next week.

Nyg's history of sucess after the bye is not the greatest. Good thing we start off Miami before all hell breaks loose.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:46 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?

This game is HUGE. He has to play. He at least needs to try and if he can't then he can't.

He knows it and every Giants fan knows it.

I think we will see alot of no huddle from the Bills as well.


Necks are nothign to **** with. Im not buying his hamstring is more of the issue than the neck.

I'd rather lose a game than possibly lose Tuck forever like via Antonio Pierce style

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:46 PM
I also noticed the trade deadline was the week of the playoffs. Last year it was week 10 I believe. I think we should move it back to prevent bad trades from lower teams to higher teams right before the playoffs. Plus I think it involves more strategy with waivers and making sure you have everyone you need. Makes the trade deadline fun as well. Plus it was like that last year and I know you changed the settings to your league but I have stated my case. We can put it to a vote or just move it back to the way it was. Hopefully people agree with me...
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:47 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>



You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

</p>


Decker is doomed because of the Tebow thing. What the hell happened to Orton. He forgot how to play this year and he was so good last year.</p>


McGahee looks like a genius draft pick though. And Torrain is going to replace Hightower no matter what Matt says.</p>
Ever since the Broncos started 6-0 they have fallen apart. I don't get it either. McGahee was a great pick. Especially in Fox's style. Tebow in there will hurt him though I believe. At least until he proves he can beat them. Good luck this weekend. I hope you lose however for the sake of my team. lol

I am going to get taken out beat down and scarred by Byron

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?
</P>


I never understood the Vick trade. Stafford is awesome in FF.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:49 PM
no way... all the lies she would of been caught in? Murder 1 would of been guaranteed

Florida is a death penalty state and we weren't debating whether she would have gotten it or not. I suggest that she should have. It was a personal opinion. And its not emotional:

<font color="#0000ff"><span class="hw">first degree murder</span> n. although it varies from
state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and
premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a
scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson,
involving multiple deaths, </font><font color="#0000ff" size="6">the killing of certain types of people (such
as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner)</font><font color="#0000ff">, or
with certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for
first degree murder are established by statute in each state and by the
United States Code in federal prosecutions. It is distinguished from
second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from
manslaughter which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there
was intent to harm rather than to kill. (See: murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/murder), second degree murder (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/second%20degree%20murder), manslaughter (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter), felony murder doctrine (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/felony%20murder%20doctrine))</font>


You can prove that she's never told the truth in her entire life Matt...the point is proving that she "lied" doesn't prove that she "killed" they are unrelated.

And yes while the part you've bolded above does make a difference you forgot to mention you still have to...

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.
#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>
#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)</font>

Until you can prove those 3 things, the fact that it was a little girl, a Cop a Prison guard or anyone else is not relevant....it does not matter...until AFTER you prove those first 3 points Matt.

It's gotta fit EVERYTHING not just one or two pieces.


Truth is that most cases ARE solved by circumstantial evidence. Had they been able to prove she dumped the body it would of been more than enough grouped with everything else. We'll never know

and I posted that about the kids because u called me emotional for suggesting that anybody that kills a minor should get teh chair. Its not emotional. I posted that because obviously the system also views the murdering of children makes a regular murder much worse. <span class="hw"></span>

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>



You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

</P>


Decker is doomed because of the Tebow thing. What the hell happened to Orton. He forgot how to play this year and he was so good last year.</P>


McGahee looks like a genius draft pick though. And Torrain is going to replace Hightower no matter what Matt says.</P>



Ever since the Broncos started 6-0 they have fallen apart. I don't get it either. McGahee was a great pick. Especially in Fox's style. Tebow in there will hurt him though I believe. At least until he proves he can beat them. Good luck this weekend. I hope you lose however for the sake of my team. lol

I am going to get taken out beat down and scarred by Byron
</P>


Byron's team reminds me of your team a couple years ago. Almost unbeatable.</P>


Almost!!!</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

14-16.

1 and 2 get a bye week 14.

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

and so on...

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:52 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>

i have no problem making a deal with you, but a #3 RB for a #1 WR ain't happening

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:52 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>
You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.



i sent pats an offer last week and i still haven't heard back from him

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:53 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:53 PM
<div class="report">


Brandon Jacobs (knee) will not practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Jacobs hasn't played or practiced since October
2. With the Giants' bye looming in Week 7, it's very possible he'll
just target a Week 8 return. Ahmad Bradshaw is looking at another 20
touches this week against a Bills defense that is giving up an
astounding 5.5 yards per carry so far this season.
</div>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:54 PM
<div class="report">


According to John Dennis of WEEI in Boston,
Theo Epstein has a five-year, $15 million contract in place to leave the
Red Sox for a job with the Cubs.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The deal is expected to be finalized by the end
of this week following negotiations with the Red Sox for compensation.
The Cubs haven't yet settled on a title for Epstein, but he will
reportedly have more power than he had in Boston, where he served as
general manager.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:54 PM
<div class="report">


Brandon Jacobs (knee) will not practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Jacobs hasn't played or practiced since October
2. With the Giants' bye looming in Week 7, it's very possible he'll
just target a Week 8 return. Ahmad Bradshaw is looking at another 20
touches this week against a Bills defense that is giving up an
astounding 5.5 yards per carry so far this season.
</div>

AB ALL DAY

didn't thier NT just get hurt too?

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>




i have no problem making a deal with you, but a #3 RB for a #1 WR ain't happening
</P>


You are rationalizing about Hightower. He stinks and Shanny is figuring that out.</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
Without Justin Tuck in the line up...if we play like we did last Sunday, What is our plan to stop Fred Jackson this weekend?

This game is HUGE. He has to play. He at least needs to try and if he can't then he can't.

He knows it and every Giants fan knows it.

I think we will see alot of no huddle from the Bills as well.


Necks are nothign to **** with. Im not buying his hamstring is more of the issue than the neck.

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">I'd rather lose a game</font> than possibly lose Tuck forever like via Antonio Pierce style

<font size="6">NOT THIS GAME!!!!</font> lol

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:56 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>




i have no problem making a deal with you, but a #3 RB for a #1 WR ain't happening
</p>


You are rationalizing about Hightower. He stinks and Shanny is figuring that out.</p>

well if u were half the man daven was, which would be about a quarter of urself now - u would put ur money where ur mouth is

either way, offer me a real back and u might have urself a deal

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 12:56 PM
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

14-16.

1 and 2 get a bye week 14.

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

and so on...
Interesting....so in week #16 if a team that has things wrapped up with their standings, sit's their starters it's an issue if you have their player(s). Has this ever proven to be an issue in the past?

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 12:57 PM
<div class="report">


Brandon Jacobs (knee) will not practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Jacobs hasn't played or practiced since October
2. With the Giants' bye looming in Week 7, it's very possible he'll
just target a Week 8 return. Ahmad Bradshaw is looking at another 20
touches this week against a Bills defense that is giving up an
astounding 5.5 yards per carry so far this season.
</div>i hope we see scott. im sick of ware.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 12:57 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?
</p>


I never understood the Vick trade. Stafford is awesome in FF.</p>
I picked up Nate Washington off waivers when Britt went down. I honestly didn't even want/need him but I knew someone would. Matt Ryan was my 5th pick ( which could have been Welker but I chose Ryan ) and he is playing like ****. Sharick was not happy with Vick and I said what about Matty Ice? He liked it and had Hasselbeck to pair with Washington. He was a 1st round pick. It's a no brainer. As great as Stafford has been Vick is only a few points behind him and much more explosive. He would have more points if the Giants didn't kill him. :)

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 12:58 PM
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

14-16.

1 and 2 get a bye week 14.

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

and so on...
Interesting....so in week #16 if a team that has things wrapped up with their standings, sit's their starters it's an issue if you have their player(s). Has this ever proven to be an issue in the past?


yep

thats why we have the finals week 16 and not week 17, so we can avoid that happening for the championship as much as possible

Because even teams that have things wrapped up, typically are the teams that get the byes so they won't want to sit their players week 16, 17, and then get a bye. Typically everybody is still playing week 16

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 12:58 PM
proving somebody lies destroys their credibility to the jury. IF you have a person up there charged for murder whose already lied about accusing somebody else of kidnapping the baby AND lied about having anything to do with it and then dumping the body - that would go a LOOONG way in the eyes of the jury.

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.
#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>
#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)</font>

Without those 3 things being met, it doesn't matter how much she lies, a Jury of her peers can not (in good faith) convict of Murder 1, and even if it does (by making the WRONG Ruling) the Judge would give a reduced sentence...because he would understand that the Jury made the incorrect decision...unless he...was also corrupt.

Proving that she lied means NOTHING unless you can also prove those three things.




And thats not true at all. Per your own website that you posted when this whole argument happened there ewre many states that had all different rulings on it.

here...whats not true?


CERTAIN people do. I agree. I'm not saying ALL murder 1s should get the death penalty. I think it is a case by case basis (like i've said about 40 times already). BUT, I do think anybody that gets convicted of killing a minor should be put to death. Thats a personal belief, like i've said. You can say thats illogical all you want, but to me (and MANY MANY other people) it makes complete sense


I'm not saying it's illogical because I disagree with you Matt... I'm saying it because your thought is incomplete.....the legal system is WAY too complicated to just say, murder child = chair..

you view is FAR too simplistic.

But back to the Casey Anthony case....you must PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt these three things.

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.

#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>

#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)

Do that FIRST...AFTER that...then you can say she would have been convicted of Murder 1...and I will agree with that.

THEN you get to talk about sentencing, and the fact that she lied...and did not seem remorseful in the least would give her an extended sentence...perhaps even the Death Penalty...but before you can even TALK about sentencing you MUST prove the crime is worthy of such a strict sentence.

you haven't proven that Casey Anthony even committed a murder AT ALL...and I'm tell let you make up evidence....make something up that proves the above 3 points to be true...THEN we can talk about sentencing.
</font>

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 12:59 PM
<DIV class=report>


According to John Dennis of WEEI in Boston, Theo Epstein has a five-year, $15 million contract in place to leave the Red Sox for a job with the Cubs.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The deal is expected to be finalized by the end of this week following negotiations with the Red Sox for compensation. The Cubs haven't yet settled on a title for Epstein, but he will reportedly have more power than he had in Boston, where he served as general manager. </DIV>


</P>


We'll take Matt Garza and call it a day.</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:00 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>



You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

</p>


Decker is doomed because of the Tebow thing. What the hell happened to Orton. He forgot how to play this year and he was so good last year.</p>


McGahee looks like a genius draft pick though. And Torrain is going to replace Hightower no matter what Matt says.</p>



Ever since the Broncos started 6-0 they have fallen apart. I don't get it either. McGahee was a great pick. Especially in Fox's style. Tebow in there will hurt him though I believe. At least until he proves he can beat them. Good luck this weekend. I hope you lose however for the sake of my team. lol

I am going to get taken out beat down and scarred by Byron
</p>


Byron's team reminds me of your team a couple years ago. Almost unbeatable.</p>


Almost!!!</p>
The scary thing is before the season started I offered him Jennings for Roddy White but he said No. Thaaaaaaank God. lol He has weaknesses, anything can happen one week. Just have to make the dance.

Rodgers should have been the 1st pick in every draft. lol Daven was thinking about it.

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 01:00 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>




i have no problem making a deal with you, but a #3 RB for a #1 WR ain't happening
</P>


You are rationalizing about Hightower. He stinks and Shanny is figuring that out.</P>




well if u were half the man daven was, which would be about a quarter of urself now - u would put ur money where ur mouth is

either way, offer me a real back and u might have urself a deal
</P>


Smart players will never trade with you. You only trade when you can rip someone off.</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:01 PM
I sent pats an offer last week and i still haven't heard back from him

I hope he is ok. He does that every know and then. I just hate that he left players in that were not playing. I hope he checks this weekend and fixes his line up. Even though I need him to lose. lol

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 01:01 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


I saw.</P>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</P>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</P>



You have Decker!

You are hard to trade with MH, try Pats. He has a couple good WR's on the bench and you do have Ridley.

</P>


Decker is doomed because of the Tebow thing. What the hell happened to Orton. He forgot how to play this year and he was so good last year.</P>


McGahee looks like a genius draft pick though. And Torrain is going to replace Hightower no matter what Matt says.</P>



Ever since the Broncos started 6-0 they have fallen apart. I don't get it either. McGahee was a great pick. Especially in Fox's style. Tebow in there will hurt him though I believe. At least until he proves he can beat them. Good luck this weekend. I hope you lose however for the sake of my team. lol

I am going to get taken out beat down and scarred by Byron
</P>


Byron's team reminds me of your team a couple years ago. Almost unbeatable.</P>


Almost!!!</P>



The scary thing is before the season started I offered him Jennings for Roddy White but he said No. Thaaaaaaank God. lol He has weaknesses, anything can happen one week. Just have to make the dance.

Rodgers should have been the 1st pick in every draft. lol Daven was thinking about it.
</P>


If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.</P>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:02 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 01:04 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</P>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</P>

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 01:06 PM
Truth is that most cases ARE solved by circumstantial evidence.

http://facepalm.org/img.php

No Matt...actually you couldn't be further from the truth with that comment, I am disappointed.


Had they been able to prove she dumped the body it would of been more than enough grouped with everything else. We'll never know

I could (or I could have my friends) find a case similar, that set some precedent that shows proving that the defendant dumped the body does not neccisarily mean that the defendant committed the murder...and you would be back to square one..but I'm not wasting my...or their time because it's common sense



and I posted that about the kids because u called me emotional for suggesting that anybody that kills a minor should get teh chair. Its not emotional. I posted that because obviously the system also views the murdering of children makes a regular murder much worse. <span class="hw"></span>


you came to that conclusion because of the outcome of one case, it's an overly simplistic suggestion...that stems from a emotional reaction from ONE court case...

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:06 PM
proving somebody lies destroys their credibility to the jury. IF you have a person up there charged for murder whose already lied about accusing somebody else of kidnapping the baby AND lied about having anything to do with it and then dumping the body - that would go a LOOONG way in the eyes of the jury.

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.
#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>
#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)</font>

Without those 3 things being met, it doesn't matter how much she lies, a Jury of her peers can not (in good faith) convict of Murder 1, and even if it does (by making the WRONG Ruling) the Judge would give a reduced sentence...because he would understand that the Jury made the incorrect decision...unless he...was also corrupt.

Proving that she lied means NOTHING unless you can also prove those three things.




And thats not true at all. Per your own website that you posted when this whole argument happened there ewre many states that had all different rulings on it.

here...whats not true?


CERTAIN people do. I agree. I'm not saying ALL murder 1s should get the death penalty. I think it is a case by case basis (like i've said about 40 times already). BUT, I do think anybody that gets convicted of killing a minor should be put to death. Thats a personal belief, like i've said. You can say thats illogical all you want, but to me (and MANY MANY other people) it makes complete sense


I'm not saying it's illogical because I disagree with you Matt... I'm saying it because your thought is incomplete.....the legal system is WAY too complicated to just say, murder child = chair..

you view is FAR too simplistic.

But back to the Casey Anthony case....you must PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt these three things.

#1) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant.

#2) Prove that the Murder was committed by the defendant <font size="4">(Deliberately)</font>

#3) Prove that the murder committed by the defendant was <font size="4">(Premeditated)

Do that FIRST...AFTER that...then you can say she would have been convicted of Murder 1...and I will agree with that.

THEN you get to talk about sentencing, and the fact that she lied...and did not seem remorseful in the least would give her an extended sentence...perhaps even the Death Penalty...but before you can even TALK about sentencing you MUST prove the crime is worthy of such a strict sentence.

you haven't proven that Casey Anthony even committed a murder AT ALL...and I'm tell let you make up evidence....make something up that proves the above 3 points to be true...THEN we can talk about sentencing.
</font>



the whole debate was theoretical

If they found her guilty after she denied having anything to do with it they would of prosecuted her to the fullest extent of the law. I agree that she should of been innocent because they DIDNT prove the case. BUT like i said u keep hopping back and forth to what actually happened and our theoretical scenerio.

This is why I say u flip flop

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/25/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s-defense-caylee%E2%80%99s-death-was-an-accident/

they were going for Murder 1 - had they convicted her you are nuts to think they wouldn't of prosectued her to the fullest extent

and regardless I still stand behind the point that you have ignored the past 10 times i've said. Anybody convicted of killing a minor and is charged wtih Murder 1 should be put to death.

Thats my view point that drove u mad.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
<div class="report">


Brandon Jacobs (knee) will not practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Jacobs hasn't played or practiced since October
2. With the Giants' bye looming in Week 7, it's very possible he'll
just target a Week 8 return. Ahmad Bradshaw is looking at another 20
touches this week against a Bills defense that is giving up an
astounding 5.5 yards per carry so far this season.
</div>

AB ALL DAY

didn't thier NT just get hurt too?

Yeah. Not sure of his injury status. I'll check...

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</p>


I saw.</p>


He's going against Johhny Knox and Mike Thomas. My team is getting ugly.</p>


I do have some matchup advantages though. I still need a WR and no one want to trade me one.</p>




i have no problem making a deal with you, but a #3 RB for a #1 WR ain't happening
</p>


You are rationalizing about Hightower. He stinks and Shanny is figuring that out.</p>




well if u were half the man daven was, which would be about a quarter of urself now - u would put ur money where ur mouth is

either way, offer me a real back and u might have urself a deal
</p>


Smart players will never trade with you. You only trade when you can rip someone off.</p>


...says the guy who just tried trading Torrain for Santana Moss

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
PM

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:08 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:10 PM
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

14-16.

1 and 2 get a bye week 14.

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

and so on...
Interesting....so in week #16 if a team that has things wrapped up with their standings, sit's their starters it's an issue if you have their player(s). Has this ever proven to be an issue in the past?

Week 16 is the Finals. Usually most teams are still playing but yes. It has been a huge issue before. That is why most leagues don't do anything week 17 because alot of starters are sitting if their teams made the playoffs. It happened to me the first year we did this. I had Peyton and was in the final. He sat that day and so did Reggie Wayne. I lost by not much to Shock. It was also the game we lost to Carolina at home when Jon Stewart when ape **** on our D. I will hate that guy forever for that. I should be going for my 3 Peat.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:11 PM
<div class="report">


Brandon Jacobs (knee) will not practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Jacobs hasn't played or practiced since October
2. With the Giants' bye looming in Week 7, it's very possible he'll
just target a Week 8 return. Ahmad Bradshaw is looking at another 20
touches this week against a Bills defense that is giving up an
astounding 5.5 yards per carry so far this season.
</div>i hope we see scott. im sick of ware.

Fear the Turtle

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:13 PM
If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.
You said earlier this year you would have taken Charles fibber. Still kicking myself for that one. I was going to pick Rice for weeks and talked myself out of it at the last second. But CJ has his FB back, his blocking TE back. A bye week to practice and 3 straight home games. He has to start soon right?

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 01:13 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo
id say theyre pretty even for the most part.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:13 PM
Truth is that most cases ARE solved by circumstantial evidence.

http://facepalm.org/img.php

No Matt...actually you couldn't be further from the truth with that comment, I am disappointed.


Had they been able to prove she dumped the body it would of been more than enough grouped with everything else. We'll never know

I could (or I could have my friends) find a case similar, that set some precedent that shows proving that the defendant dumped the body does not neccisarily mean that the defendant committed the murder...and you would be back to square one..but I'm not wasting my...or their time because it's common sense



and I posted that about the kids because u called me emotional for suggesting that anybody that kills a minor should get teh chair. Its not emotional. I posted that because obviously the system also views the murdering of children makes a regular murder much worse. <span class="hw"></span>


you came to that conclusion because of the outcome of one case, it's an overly simplistic suggestion...that stems from a emotional reaction from ONE court case...


I shouldn't of said most

ALOT are though, how bout the Scott Peterson case for one?

No again, its not. It has nothing to do with emotion. I am a firm believer in death penalty and if u would of asked me this same quesiton before Casey Anthony ever killed her kid, I would o said the same thing. Thats you assuming things and making an *** out of yourself

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:13 PM
<div class="report">


Giants C David Baas (burner) is tentatively expected to return for Sunday's game against the Bills.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Baas' return is good news for Ahmad Bradshaw.
Backup Kevin Boothe was a downgrade as the G-Men struggled to open holes
against the Seahawks last week.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:15 PM
If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.
You said earlier this year you would have taken Charles fibber. Still kicking myself for that one. I was going to pick Rice for weeks and talked myself out of it at the last second. But CJ has his FB back, his blocking TE back. A bye week to practice and 3 straight home games. He has to start soon right?


i actually just traded VJack &amp; Starks 4 CJ &amp; Julio in one ofd my leagues

DavenIII
10-12-2011, 01:15 PM
the whole debate was theoretical

Exactly, so come up with some "theoretical" piece of evidence that would have proven those three points...when you do that, then we can talk about what she "would have" been sentenced to, but I'm letting you do that, and the best you could come up with so far was that "had they found evidence of her disposing of the body" well I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, that even had they had that evidence she would not have gotten murder 1 and thus would not have gotten the death penalty.....because there still would have been nothing to prove any of those three mandatory points I outlined above.


If they found her guilty after she denied having anything to do with it they would of prosecuted her to the fullest extent of the law. I agree that she should of been innocent because they DIDNT prove the case. BUT like i said u keep hopping back and forth to what actually happened and our theoretical scenerio.

In order for her to have been proven guilty (in the theoretical situation) there needed to be more evidence...SO MAKE SOMETHING UP....at the moment you are asking me...in a theoretical situation...to determine a sentence for someone who is innocent...until you show me the peice of evidence that makes her guilty I can not come up with a sentence.


This is why I say u flip flop

because you don't understand how a theoretical argument works I flipflop?


Thats my view point that drove u mad.

None of your points drove me made...they rarely do, because generally there is nothing to support them....I get mad (and more at myself then anyone else) when I'm proven wrong....since you rarely have any proof about anything you say you can't make me mad.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:15 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</p>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</p>
He is at the top.....of the bottom half. lol

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:16 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo

You're cute

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</p>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</p>
He is at the top.....of the bottom half. lol


he has completely regressed.. its baffling how big of a step back hes taken IMO.

That lats game was pitiful

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
The Eagles tried to quiet down all the negativity in Philadelphia on Tuesday by deflecting the defensive consultant issue.</p>


The team said they weren’t hiring a defensive consultant (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20111012_Eagles_say_they_re_not_adding_defensive_c onsultant.html). That doesn’t mean they didn’t try to.</p>


ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio reported Wednesday morning that Eric Mangini
was the team’s first choice for the gig, but he turned down the offer.
Mangini is now working at ESPN.</p>


The fact the Eagles already offered the job to someone makes us think they’ll find someone to come in during their bye week.</p>

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.
You said earlier this year you would have taken Charles fibber. Still kicking myself for that one. I was going to pick Rice for weeks and talked myself out of it at the last second. But CJ has his FB back, his blocking TE back. A bye week to practice and 3 straight home games. He has to start soon right?


i actually just traded VJack &amp; Starks 4 CJ &amp; Julio in one ofd my leagues

Great trade for you. As long as Julio's hammy is not too bad.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:19 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo

You're cute


Romo has better options to throw to and already had his bye and Stafford didnt

Romo will have a better year from here on out than Stafford

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:21 PM
If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.
You said earlier this year you would have taken Charles fibber. Still kicking myself for that one. I was going to pick Rice for weeks and talked myself out of it at the last second. But CJ has his FB back, his blocking TE back. A bye week to practice and 3 straight home games. He has to start soon right?


i actually just traded VJack &amp; Starks 4 CJ &amp; Julio in one ofd my leagues

Great trade for you. As long as Julio's hammy is not too bad.


yea I alreay have Calvin in that league and i drafted Charles too

so i was hurting.

my starters are :

QB: Stafford
WR: Calvin
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Julio
RB: CJ
RB: Greene
TE: Witten

I loved this team originally... I had

QB: Stafford
WR: Calvin
WR: VJack
WR: Colston
RB: Charles
RB: Hightower
TE: Witten

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:21 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</p>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</p>
He is at the top.....of the bottom half. lol


he has completely regressed.. its baffling how big of a step back hes taken IMO.

That lats game was pitiful

It really is confusing. He has the same team with another year of experience. Blount being hurt will only make it worse to.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:27 PM
If you had picked Rice I would have taken him.
You said earlier this year you would have taken Charles fibber. Still kicking myself for that one. I was going to pick Rice for weeks and talked myself out of it at the last second. But CJ has his FB back, his blocking TE back. A bye week to practice and 3 straight home games. He has to start soon right?


i actually just traded VJack &amp; Starks 4 CJ &amp; Julio in one ofd my leagues

Great trade for you. As long as Julio's hammy is not too bad.


yea I alreay have Calvin in that league and i drafted Charles too

so i was hurting.

my starters are :

QB: Stafford
WR: Calvin
WR: Mike Williams
WR: Julio
RB: CJ
RB: Greene
TE: Witten

I loved this team originally... I had

QB: Stafford
WR: Calvin
WR: VJack
WR: Colston
RB: Charles
RB: Hightower
TE: Witten

You did awesome to salvage it. Kind of like the job I did with mine. Trading S Jack for Fitz saved my season.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 01:27 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo

You're cute


<u>Romo has better options to throw to</u> and already had his bye and Stafford didnt

Romo will have a better year from here on out than Stafford
staff only needs one
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/megatron001.jpg

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:28 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</p>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</p>
He is at the top.....of the bottom half. lol


he has completely regressed.. its baffling how big of a step back hes taken IMO.

That lats game was pitiful

It really is confusing. He has the same team with another year of experience. Blount being hurt will only make it worse to.


honestly if he was having a half way decent season he would of been right on the outskirts of top 10. I'll admit I was off.... but not as off as Pappy's top 10 QB list (which didn't have Eli on it for the record)

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford


more like Stafford and _____ for Romo

You're cute


<u>Romo has better options to throw to</u> and already had his bye and Stafford didnt

Romo will have a better year from here on out than Stafford
staff only needs one
http://www.seibertron.com/images/movie/megatron001.jpg


honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 01:39 PM
Replied to you Lando.

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:39 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:42 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....


eh thats the beauty of fantasy though, clutch has nothing to do with the stats that matter in fantasy

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:42 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....


eh thats the beauty of fantasy though, clutch has nothing to do with the stats that matter in fantasy

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:44 PM
and i'll throw another darkhorse fact in there: LAurent Robinson aas ur 3rd receiver? SICK

I thought San Diego was insnae to cut him this year. HE is a perfect fit in Dallas for their #3

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:49 PM
Replied to you Lando.
Back at ya

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:49 PM
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New York Giants' Chris Snee, Brandon Jacobs, Justin Tuck unable to practice Wednesday - ESPN New York http://t.co/GuL9TpN4 #NYG
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Boley was on the field. Looks like he is going to practice. Listed on pre-practice report with knee issue from last week.
<em class="timestamp {ts: 'Wed Oct 12 09:29:00 PDT 2011'}">7 minutes ago[/i] (http://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/124159643403558913) (http://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=124159643403558913) </dd></dl><li class="alt">http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/838747511/youngmisuk_ohm_55_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=124159643403558913)<dl class="t-mult tweet-dl"><dd>NotoriousOHM (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=NotoriousOHM) <span class="timeline">Ohm Youngmisuk</span>
Hynoski did not practice. Baas was on field during position drills.
<em class="timestamp {ts: 'Wed Oct 12 09:27:58 PDT 2011'}">8 minutes ago[/i] (http://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/124159383373488129) (http://twitter.com/intent/favorite?tweet_id=124159383373488129) </dd></dl><li class="">[url="http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=NotoriousOHM"]http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/838747511/youngmisuk_ohm_55_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=124159383373488129)<dl class="t-mult tweet-dl"><dd>NotoriousOHM (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=NotoriousOHM) <span class="timeline">Ohm Youngmisuk</span>
Tuck and Jacobs did not practice. Did some light running on side. Osi was on field, didn't do much during portion open to media</dd></dl>[/list]

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 01:50 PM
If your team is currently 1-4, there's a 5% chance they make the
playoffs. since 1990.. 100 teams have started 1-4, 5 have made it


Go Skins! lol

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 01:54 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....


eh thats the beauty of fantasy though, clutch has nothing to do with the stats that matter in fantasy
yes and no. if he were clutch hed be getting more points, right? because hes not clutch hes leaving points on the field both in real life and ff.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:56 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....


eh thats the beauty of fantasy though, clutch has nothing to do with the stats that matter in fantasy
yes and no. if he were clutch hed be getting more points, right? because hes not clutch hes leaving points on the field both in real life and ff.


thats a stretch

HE could throw for 500 yards but lose the game because its tied and he throws another pick 6. He wouldn't be clutch but he'd still have a sick fantasy day

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 01:57 PM
everybody kills him for chokin in the Jets game, but he still had 25 fantasy points that week

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 01:59 PM
honestly, I think Miles Austin and Dezz Bryant are the best WR combo in the league

it pains me to say that

And they may also have the best receiving TE in the league as well




Could you imagine if Brady/Peyton/Rodgers/Brees had those weapons?

Only if Romo was a real QB with a lil clutch in him....


eh thats the beauty of fantasy though, clutch has nothing to do with the stats that matter in fantasy
yes and no. if he were clutch hed be getting more points, right? because hes not clutch hes leaving points on the field both in real life and ff.


thats a stretch

HE could throw for 500 yards but lose the game because its tied and he throws another pick 6. <u>He wouldn't be clutch but he'd still have a sick fantasy day</u>
without a doubt, but if he didnt throw the pick 6 and threw a td instead, cause he was clutch.....he would have an even better fantasy day.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 02:00 PM
everybody kills him for chokin in the Jets game, but he still had 25 fantasy points that week
if he completes that pass revis picked off at the end, its a point. you are right, you dont have to be clutch in ff, but it would help....

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 02:02 PM
everybody kills him for chokin in the Jets game, but he still had 25 fantasy points that week
if he completes that pass revis picked off at the end, its a point. you are right, you dont have to be clutch in ff, but it would help....


na because its just numbers.... obviously if he completed more passes it would be more passes. But the fact that he isn't clutch doesn't mean he still doesn't hit numbers that make him a successful fantasy QB

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 02:03 PM
like against the cards, eli had 20 something points. if he wasnt clutch and didnt find bradshaw for go ahead td, he wouldnt of had 20 something points and i could of lost, well not really cause i never lose

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 02:07 PM
like against the cards, eli had 20 something points. if he wasnt clutch and didnt find bradshaw for go ahead td, he wouldnt of had 20 something points and i could of lost, well not really cause i never lose


being clutch is determined in the final drives of the game

there were plenty of other drives throughout a game where QB and offense doesn't do anything. They could of done better on those drives instead of the last drive and it would work out to be the same thing.

The clutch part has nothing to do with it

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 02:16 PM
Which week in our league does playoff's start?

14-16.

1 and 2 get a bye week 14.

3 vs 6

4 vs 5

and so on...
Interesting....so in week #16 if a team that has things wrapped up with their standings, sit's their starters it's an issue if you have their player(s). Has this ever proven to be an issue in the past?


yep

thats why we have the finals week 16 and not week 17, so we can avoid that happening for the championship as much as possible

Because even teams that have things wrapped up, typically are the teams that get the byes so they won't want to sit their players week 16, 17, and then get a bye. Typically everybody is still playing week 16
Oh that's right, I always forget there is 17 weeks, not 16.

shocknaweny
10-12-2011, 02:20 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</P>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</P>


</P>


</P>


I like Stafford !</P>


</P>


Shaub and __________ ??</P>

shocknaweny
10-12-2011, 02:21 PM
Anyone interested in Stafford?


me

Romo and ________ for Stafford
</P>


No no. He thinks Freeman is a top FF QB.</P>


</P>


</P>


I like Stafford !</P>


</P>


Shaub and __________ ??</P>

shocknaweny
10-12-2011, 02:22 PM
You are going against Colt McCoy this weekend. lol

Just thought I would put some pep in your morning.
</P>


</P>


Colt is going to have a big day !!!</P>

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 02:56 PM
wow, jets got rid of derek mason for questioning rex about shats offense...

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 03:12 PM
wow, jets got rid of derek mason for questioning rex about shats offense...
That will teach him to question authority. lol

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 03:21 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 03:32 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</P>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 03:33 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>

why? I thought they were great moves?

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 03:38 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>

why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 03:40 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">Mario Manningham (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mario-Manningham/112169422128253) has hired a new agent. Guess who? Drew Rosenhaus (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Drew-Rosenhaus/112752688736277).
Look for Manningham to do whatever he can to put up big numbers the
rest of the season, as he is in his contract year and wants a big
payday.</span></h6>uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggghhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhh............

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 03:41 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</P>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</P>




why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.</P>


Maybe the $20+MM he made to hit .250 has something to do with it.</P>

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 03:48 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>




why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.</p>


Maybe the $20+MM he made to hit .250 has something to do with it.</p>thats what happens when you hire "mercs"

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 03:48 PM
It was 1 season, don't turn on him already MH.

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 03:52 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>




why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.</p>


Maybe the $20+MM he made to hit .250 has something to do with it.</p>thats what happens when you hire "mercs"


thats the greatest thing about the sox collapse

it happened the year they became everything they hated.

And they all loved every single move of it (especially the old man)

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 04:00 PM
<div class="report">


ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
"He's going to finish the season in Denver," said Schefter on SportsCenter,
"...because of that overbearing salary." Orton has a $7.379 million
base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of
it if they were to acquire him. ESPN's John Clayton also considers an
Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not
completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in
late July.
</div>

dezzzR
10-12-2011, 04:04 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>




why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.</p>


Maybe the $20+MM he made to hit .250 has something to do with it.</p>cheer up buttercup.[:)]

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 04:12 PM
http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/U45FYxELfBG1Ipb60E8PXQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTE7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/9ec2511e76cdd016fa0e6a7067001704.jpg

A <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_3">collection</span> of American vintage guitars owned by actor <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_0">Richard Gere</span> has fetched nearly $1 million at auction in New York City.<p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268302">Tuesday's sale of 110 <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_7">guitars</span> and amplifiers at Christie's auction house included brands such as <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_1">C.F. Martin</span>, <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_4">Gibson</span>, <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_5">Fender</span> and Gretsch and guitars once owned by blues guitarist <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_2">Albert King</span> and reggae musician Peter Tosh.</p><p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268313">The top sale went to a 1960 solid-body <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1318433168_6">Les Paul</span> electric guitar by Gibson, which sold for more than $98,000.</p><p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268436">Gere
says he's parting with the instruments to support global humanitarian
causes. Christie's says the "Pretty Woman" star studied trumpet and is a
self-taught pianist and guitarist.</p><p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268441">Gere says he never planned to assemble a guitar collection and bought only ones that he liked and that sounded good to him.</p><p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268444">The collection was expected to sell for about $1 million.</p>

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 04:13 PM
It was 1 season, don't turn on him already MH.
</P>


No he'll probably have a good year next season. Lackey is a different story.</P>

Morehead State
10-12-2011, 04:15 PM
http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/U45FYxELfBG1Ipb60E8PXQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTE7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/9ec2511e76cdd016fa0e6a7067001704.jpg

A <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_3 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">collection</SPAN> of American vintage guitars owned by actor <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_0 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Richard Gere</SPAN> has fetched nearly $1 million at auction in New York City.
<P id=yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268302>Tuesday's sale of 110 <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_7 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">guitars</SPAN> and amplifiers at Christie's auction house included brands such as <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_1 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">C.F. Martin</SPAN>, <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_4 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Gibson</SPAN>, <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_5 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Fender</SPAN> and Gretsch and guitars once owned by blues guitarist <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_2 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Albert King</SPAN> and reggae musician Peter Tosh.</P>
<P id=yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268313>The top sale went to a 1960 solid-body <SPAN id=lw_1318433168_6 class="yshortcuts cs4-visible">Les Paul</SPAN> electric guitar by Gibson, which sold for more than $98,000.</P>
<P id=yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268436>Gere says he's parting with the instruments to support global humanitarian causes. Christie's says the "Pretty Woman" star studied trumpet and is a self-taught pianist and guitarist.</P>
<P id=yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268441>Gere says he never planned to assemble a guitar collection and bought only ones that he liked and that sounded good to him.</P>
<P id=yui_3_3_0_1_1318446807268444>The collection was expected to sell for about $1 million.</P>


</P>


Reminds me that I'm meeting a guy in a parking lot in Glastonbury, CT at 4:30 today to trade my red PRS SE for an American Strat.</P>


I'll miss it but I want that strat.</P>

lttaylor56
10-12-2011, 04:30 PM
Soooo Epstein is a Cub and Garza isn't a red Suck

#badbeat
</p>


Maybe he'll trade for Lackey and Crawford.</p>




why? I thought they were great moves?
lol. i know crawfords weak *** attempt the last play of the season is still eating poor ol mh.</p>


Maybe the $20+MM he made to hit .250 has something to do with it.</p>cheer up buttercup.[:)]
lol

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 04:59 PM
Morehead, here is why I traded for Vick in a nutshell. lol

Vick is on pace to do something no NFL player has ever done: Throw for 4,000 yards and run for 1,000 yards in a single season.

Of
course, staying healthy enough to play 16 games won’t be easy if the
Eagles’ offensive line doesn’t improve. And if the Eagles’ defense
doesn’t improve, Vick is going to be playing in a lot of meaningless
games in December.</p>



</p>

MattMeyerBud
10-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Morehead, here is why I traded for Vick in a nutshell. lol

Vick is on pace to do something no NFL player has ever done: Throw for 4,000 yards and run for 1,000 yards in a single season.

Of
course, staying healthy enough to play 16 games won’t be easy if the
Eagles’ offensive line doesn’t improve. And if the Eagles’ defense
doesn’t improve, Vick is going to be playing in a lot of meaningless
games in December.</p>



</p>


and because u traded garbage to get him

who are we kidding here

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 05:40 PM
Morehead, here is why I traded for Vick in a nutshell. lol

Vick is on pace to do something no NFL player has ever done: Throw for 4,000 yards and run for 1,000 yards in a single season.

Of
course, staying healthy enough to play 16 games won’t be easy if the
Eagles’ offensive line doesn’t improve. And if the Eagles’ defense
doesn’t improve, Vick is going to be playing in a lot of meaningless
games in December.</p>



</p>


and because u traded garbage to get him

who are we kidding here

It's not that bad. lol

Who would you want with Stafford for Romo?

bigblue4417
10-12-2011, 06:40 PM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs,
Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 09:29 AM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs, Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice</P>


oh, so only the best players at each position? that's reassuring...... =\</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 10:11 AM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs, Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice</p>


oh, so only the best players at each position? that's reassuring...... =\</p>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 10:39 AM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs, Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice</P>


oh, so only the best players at each position? that's reassuring...... =\</P>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

</P>


cant see youtube at work!</P>


game day will be here before we know it....it'ssss going to be awesome, isn't it? lol</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 10:44 AM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a
game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a
carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he
can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards
per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely
ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 10:49 AM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs, Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice</p>


oh, so only the best players at each position? that's reassuring...... =\</p>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

</p>


cant see youtube at work!</p>


game day will be here before we know it....it'ssss going to be awesome, isn't it? lol</p>

gotta have faith

haha yea me too. Im generally pretty excited for everything this weekend

Going out and getting ****ty friday night, dinner sat, game sun, and blowing a load all over landos face monday before he leaves

a draining and action packed weekend

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 10:50 AM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a
game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a
carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he
can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards
per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely
ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday.
</div>

lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 10:57 AM
haha yea me too. Im generally pretty excited for everything this weekend

Going out and getting ****ty friday night, dinner sat, game sun, and blowing a load all over landos face monday before he leaves

a draining and action packed weekend
</P>


umm...yea that sounds like a lot of different kinds of fun that I dont want to participate in.....</P>


luckily, I wont have to see you after Sunday....lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 11:01 AM
haha yea me too. Im generally pretty excited for everything this weekend

Going out and getting ****ty friday night, dinner sat, game sun, and blowing a load all over landos face monday before he leaves

a draining and action packed weekend
</p>


umm...yea that sounds like a lot of different kinds of fun that I dont want to participate in.....</p>


luckily, I wont have to see you after Sunday....lol</p>

Its not as bad as it seems, he cleans it up himself (if ya know what i mean)

dezzzR
10-13-2011, 11:12 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576627583972440222.html
fuuunny guuuy

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 11:19 AM
<div class="report">


Giants CB Prince Amukamara (foot) said he's on schedule to return to practice after the Giants' Week 7 bye.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Amukamara participated in a few drills Wednesday
for the first time since he broke his foot on August 6. He's still
feeling soreness after workouts, but that's natural. The No. 19 overall
pick should be ready to contribute by Week 8.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 11:22 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576627583972440222.html
fuuunny guuuy


lol he actually is. Thats funny when he would throw the pebbles in peoples mouths lol







"I jumped offsides a couple times in the Eagles game and no one said
anything to me. Coach Coughlin constantly says we're all in this
together. Our D-line coach constantly says, 'If the grenade blows up,
we all die,'" said Tollefson. </p>


But it runs deeper than coaching cliches: "It's the social
interaction that happens in here. The locker room is a unique place,"
Tollefson said. "It's kind of like the He-Man Woman Haters Club from
the Little Rascals. The growth starts here."</p>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 11:22 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576627583972440222.html
fuuunny guuuy


lol he actually is. Thats funny when he would throw the pebbles in peoples mouths lol







"I jumped offsides a couple times in the Eagles game and no one said
anything to me. Coach Coughlin constantly says we're all in this
together. Our D-line coach constantly says, 'If the grenade blows up,
we all die,'" said Tollefson. </p>


But it runs deeper than coaching cliches: "It's the social
interaction that happens in here. The locker room is a unique place,"
Tollefson said. "It's kind of like the He-Man Woman Haters Club from
the Little Rascals. The growth starts here."</p>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 11:37 AM
C David Baas and LB Michael Boley went through imited practice. Jacobs, Tuck, Umenyiora, DeOssie, Amukamara, Hynoski, Snee did not practice</p>


oh, so only the best players at each position? that's reassuring...... =\</p>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

</p>


cant see youtube at work!</p>


game day will be here before we know it....it'ssss going to be awesome, isn't it? lol</p>

gotta have faith

haha yea me too. Im generally pretty excited for everything this weekend

Going out and getting ****ty friday night, dinner sat, game sun, and blowing a load all over landos face monday before he leaves

a draining and action packed weekend

WOW! You better buy me a drink first or something. lol

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 11:41 AM
<h2><font size="2">Various reports from Italy say a team there is offering Kobe Bryant a one-game contract for $1 million or $2 million.</font></h2>
How would it be? lol

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 11:41 AM
our Sales manager, one of the higher ups who I don't see very often, just walks into my office and says "Dr. J!! WHAT'S UP!!?"</P>


caught me off guard, i was like "...uhh....umm yea! not much, whats goin on?"</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 11:44 AM
our Sales manager, one of the higher ups who I don't see very often, just walks into my office and says "Dr. J!! WHAT'S UP!!?"</p>


caught me off guard, i was like "...uhh....umm yea! not much, whats goin on?"</p>
Should have called him Iceman or Sir Charles. lol

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 11:46 AM
our Sales manager, one of the higher ups who I don't see very often, just walks into my office and says "Dr. J!! WHAT'S UP!!?"</P>


caught me off guard, i was like "...uhh....umm yea! not much, whats goin on?"</P>



Should have called him Iceman or Sir Charles. lol
</P>


actually...right after he left, I thought I should have called him The Glove, cuz his name is Gary. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 11:49 AM
our Sales manager, one of the higher ups who I don't see very often, just walks into my office and says "Dr. J!! WHAT'S UP!!?"</p>


caught me off guard, i was like "...uhh....umm yea! not much, whats goin on?"</p>

lol that was an awkward "I LOVE YOU MAN" the movie moment lol

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 11:51 AM
lol that was an awkward "I LOVE YOU MAN" the movie moment lol
</P>


lmao! yea basically!</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:07 PM
<div class="report">


Bills NT Kyle Williams (ankle/foot) said he will likely be a game-time call for Sunday's matchup with the Giants.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Williams has been dealing with the injury since
training camp and then aggravated it against the Eagles. "It's a pretty
sensitive spot in my foot," said Williams. With Brandon Jacobs (knee)
possibly out again as well, Ahmad Bradshaw's arrow is pointing up this
week.
</div>

Morehead State
10-13-2011, 12:11 PM
<DIV class=report>


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </DIV>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</P>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:14 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
-- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a
maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]

dezzzR
10-13-2011, 12:14 PM
that coach carter guy is duuumb

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:15 PM
haha yea me too. Im generally pretty excited for everything this weekend

Going out and getting ****ty friday night, dinner sat, game sun, and blowing a load all over landos face monday before he leaves

a draining and action packed weekend
</p>


umm...yea that sounds like a lot of different kinds of fun that I dont want to participate in.....</p>


luckily, I wont have to see you after Sunday....lol</p>Guaranteed to be quite the time. lol

JPizzack
10-13-2011, 12:17 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]
</P>


ha! i forgot about her....she was skanky! but hott obviously.</P>


listen, my buffy fandom started, and ended with Sarah Michelle Gellar! That's it!!! And she has kind fallen off the face of the planet, so...leave me my childhood!! =(</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:19 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>
I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 12:19 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
-- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a
maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]


LMAO

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 12:20 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>
I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.


its actually quite cowardly - im willing to put fantasy entry fee on it

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:21 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]
</p>


ha! i forgot about her....she was skanky! but hott obviously.</p>


listen, my buffy fandom started, and ended with Sarah Michelle Gellar! That's it!!! And she has kind fallen off the face of the planet, so...leave me my childhood!! =(</p>
LMAO!!!!!

I just can't let it go. I will be scarred for life. Whenever I hear the word Buffy I will think of you and your sexy beard.

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:22 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]
</p>


ha! i forgot about her....she was skanky! but hott obviously.</p>


listen, my buffy fandom started, and ended with Sarah Michelle Gellar! That's it!!! And she has kind fallen off the face of the planet, so...leave me my childhood!! =(</p>
LMAO!!!!!

I just can't let it go. I will be scarred for life. Whenever I hear the word Buffy I will think of you and your sexy beard.
awwweee!

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:26 PM
"It's just fractions of a penny per transaction".... he should of been more careful with those little mundane decimal points.

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/bolton/bolton2.jpg

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:26 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>
I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.


its actually quite cowardly - im willing to put fantasy entry fee on it



That Hightower gets more carries than Torrain from here on out (no injuries)?

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:28 PM
<div class="report">


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Bucs have essentially admitted that they
don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest
Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on
some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning
Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well.
</div>

Morehead State
10-13-2011, 12:32 PM
<DIV class=report>


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </DIV>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</P>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</P>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</P>


Why not? This is America.</P>

DavenIII
10-13-2011, 12:37 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</p>


Why not? This is America.</p>

I regret only making it 25$ I want to make it more but it's already agreed upon, I called this sooo early.

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:39 PM
<DIV class=report>


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </DIV>


</P>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:41 PM
Weather for Sunday...

<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="vbgA" valign="MIDDLE" width="50%" align="CENTER" height="30"><b class="blueText">Day[/b]</td>
<td class="vbgA" valign="MIDDLE" width="50%" align="CENTER" height="30"><b class="blueText">Night[/b]</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="TOP" align="CENTER" bgcolor="#F6F1D4">



<div id="todayblock">
<table style="border:#E3E1C7 solid; border-width:1px; background-color:#FFFFFF;padding:5px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueText" valign="MIDDLE" width="45%" align="CENTER">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</td>
<td class="blueText" valign="MIDDLE" width="55%" align="CENTER">High
<b style="font-size:18px;">66°F[/b]

Precip
0%</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>



<table style="padding:3px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">

<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueFont10" width="54%" align="LEFT">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" width="46%" align="LEFT">
From SW at 11 mph
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">58%</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">UV Index:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">4 Moderate</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>

<table style="padding:3px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Sunrise:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">7:09 AM ET</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Avg. High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">64°F</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Record High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">87°F (1956)</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>



</td>
<td valign="TOP" align="CENTER" bgcolor="#ECF0FC">


<table style="border:#E3E1C7 solid; border-width:1px; background-color:#FFFFFF;padding:5px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueText" valign="MIDDLE" width="45%" align="CENTER">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</td>
<td class="blueText" valign="MIDDLE" width="55%" align="CENTER">Overnight Low
<b style="font-size:18px;">56°F[/b]

Precip
10%</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>


<table style="padding:3px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueFont10" width="54%" align="LEFT">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" width="46%" align="LEFT">
From SW at 6 mph


</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">71%</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT"></td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT"></td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<table style="padding:3px;" width="80%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Sunset:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">6:15 PM ET</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Avg. Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">42°F</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Record Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">31°F (1978)</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:41 PM
that coach carter guy is duuumb
</P>


Calling him dumb is being pretty generous. I would go with the "r" word when it comes to describing that guy</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:42 PM
<div class="report">


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </div>


</p>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</p>
With the Saints in town I don't think it will matter...

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:42 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Day[/B]</TD>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Night[/B]</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#f6f1d4>

<DIV id=todayblock>
<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">High
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/B]

Precip
0%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>58%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>UV Index:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>4 Moderate</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20>
</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunrise:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>7:09 AM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>64°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>87°F (1956)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ecf0fc>

<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">Overnight Low
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/B]

Precip
10%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>71%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunset:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>6:15 PM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>42°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>31°F (1978)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



</P>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</P>

Morehead State
10-13-2011, 12:44 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=vbgA height=30 vAlign=center width="50%" align=middle><B class=blueText>Day[/B]</TD>
<TD class=vbgA height=30 vAlign=center width="50%" align=middle><B class=blueText>Night[/B]</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD bgColor=#f6f1d4 vAlign=top align=middle>

<DIV id=todayblock>
<TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center width="45%" align=middle>http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center width="55%" align=middle>High
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/B]

Precip
0%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 width="54%" align=left>Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 width="46%" align=left>From SW at 11 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>58%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>UV Index:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>4 Moderate</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<TABLE style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD height=20 colSpan=2>
</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunrise:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>7:09 AM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>64°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>87°F (1956)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD>
<TD bgColor=#ecf0fc vAlign=top align=middle>

<TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center width="45%" align=middle>http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center width="55%" align=middle>Overnight Low
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/B]

Precip
10%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 width="54%" align=left>Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 width="46%" align=left>From SW at 6 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>71%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD height=20 colSpan=2></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunset:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>6:15 PM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>42°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>31°F (1978)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



</P>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</P>


</P>


Pack some Listerine too. You're gunna need it to get the soy taste out of your mouth.</P>

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:45 PM
<DIV class=report>


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </DIV>


</P>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</P>



With the Saints in town I don't think it will matter...
</P>


I actually hope they would beat the saints. Too bad they are probably going to get blown out of their own house.</P>

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:46 PM
Weather for Sunday...

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="vbgA" height="30" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Day[/b]</td>
<td class="vbgA" height="30" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Night[/b]</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="CENTER" bgcolor="#F6F1D4" valign="TOP">



<div id="todayblock">
<table style="border:#E3E1C7 solid; border-width:1px; background-color:#FFFFFF;padding:5px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueText" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</td>
<td class="blueText" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="55%">High
<b style="font-size:18px;">66°F[/b]

Precip
0%</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>



<table style="padding:3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">

<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT" width="46%">
From SW at 11 mph
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">58%</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">UV Index:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">4 Moderate</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>

<table style="padding:3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody><tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20">
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Sunrise:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">7:09 AM ET</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Avg. High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">64°F</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Record High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">87°F (1956)</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>



</td>
<td align="CENTER" bgcolor="#ECF0FC" valign="TOP">


<table style="border:#E3E1C7 solid; border-width:1px; background-color:#FFFFFF;padding:5px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueText" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</td>
<td class="blueText" align="CENTER" valign="MIDDLE" width="55%">Overnight Low
<b style="font-size:18px;">56°F[/b]

Precip
10%</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>


<table style="padding:3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody><tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT" width="46%">
From SW at 6 mph


</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">71%</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT"></td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT"></td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<table style="padding:3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody><tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Sunset:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">6:15 PM ET</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Avg. Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">42°F</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">Record Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="LEFT">31°F (1978)</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</td></tr></tbody></table>
That will be a gift if it holds true. [:D]

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:47 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="vbgA" height="30" align="center" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Day[/b]</td>
<td class="vbgA" height="30" align="center" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Night[/b]</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#f6f1d4" valign="top">

<div id="todayblock">
<table style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">High
<b style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/b]

Precip
0%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">58%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">UV Index:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">4 Moderate</td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20">
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunrise:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">7:09 AM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">64°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">87°F (1956)</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#ecf0fc" valign="top">

<table style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">Overnight Low
<b style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/b]

Precip
10%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">71%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20"></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunset:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">6:15 PM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">42°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">31°F (1978)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>



</p>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</p>Last week it was 84 degrees when we left the stadium.

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 12:47 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</p>


Why not? This is America.</p>
Well of course you can in the literal sense. But it has to be taken with a grain of salt if you are not prepared to back it up. It's kind of like Mayweather and Manny. Floyd talks all that **** but he won't fight.

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:47 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Day[/B]</TD>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Night[/B]</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#f6f1d4>

<DIV id=todayblock>
<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">High
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/B]

Precip
0%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>58%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>UV Index:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>4 Moderate</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20>
</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunrise:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>7:09 AM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>64°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>87°F (1956)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ecf0fc>

<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">Overnight Low
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/B]

Precip
10%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>71%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunset:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>6:15 PM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>42°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>31°F (1978)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



</P>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</P>


</P>


Pack some Listerine too. You're gunna need it to get the soy taste out of your mouth.</P>


</P>


lol........</P>

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:49 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Day[/B]</TD>
<TD class=vbgA vAlign=center align=middle width="50%" height=30><B class=blueText>Night[/B]</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#f6f1d4>

<DIV id=todayblock>
<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">High
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/B]

Precip
0%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>58%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>UV Index:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>4 Moderate</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20>
</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunrise:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>7:09 AM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>64°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record High:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>87°F (1956)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=middle bgColor=#ecf0fc>

<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</TD>
<TD class=blueText vAlign=center align=middle width="55%">Overnight Low
<B style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/B]

Precip
10%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="54%">Wind:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Humidity:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>71%</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD colSpan=2 height=20></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Sunset:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>6:15 PM ET</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Avg. Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>42°F</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>Record Low:</TD>
<TD class=blueFont10 align=left>31°F (1978)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



</P>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</P>


Last week it was 84 degrees when we left the stadium.
</P>


Damn, that's a sauna for this time of year over there. </P>

Morehead State
10-13-2011, 12:53 PM
<DIV class=report>


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </DIV>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</P>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</P>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</P>


Why not? This is America.</P>



Well of course you can in the literal sense. But it has to be taken with a grain of salt if you are not prepared to back it up. It's kind of like Mayweather and Manny. Floyd talks all that **** but he won't fight.
</P>


What is this preoccupation you guys have with having to put money on everything? I work too hard for my money to bet it on future results that I can't control.</P>


Lets just argue about it and call each other names like mature men do.</P>

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:54 PM
This is the latest rage for kid's video games...Skylanders Spyro's Adventures. My kid is out of his mind over this thing. It's not even in stores yet and it's all I hear about.

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-10388731dt.jpg

lttaylor56
10-13-2011, 12:55 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="vbgA" height="30" align="center" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Day[/b]</td>
<td class="vbgA" height="30" align="center" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Night[/b]</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#f6f1d4" valign="top">

<div id="todayblock">
<table style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">High
<b style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">66°F[/b]

Precip
0%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">58%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">UV Index:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">4 Moderate</td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20">
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunrise:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">7:09 AM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">64°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">87°F (1956)</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#ecf0fc" valign="top">

<table style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #e3e1c7 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e3e1c7 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">Overnight Low
<b style="FONT-SIZE: 18px">56°F[/b]

Precip
10%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">71%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20"></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunset:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">6:15 PM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">42°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">31°F (1978)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>



</p>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</p>


Last week it was 84 degrees when we left the stadium.
</p>


Damn, that's a sauna for this time of year over there. </p>Last week, Friday thru Monday-Tues was downright balmy over here. It's long gone now.

sharick88
10-13-2011, 12:57 PM
This is the latest rage for kid's video games...Skylanders Spyro's Adventures. My kid is out of his mind over this thing. It's not even in stores yet and it's all I hear about.

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-10388731dt.jpg
</P>


Speaking of video games. Two games I am definitely getting are Uncharted 3 and the new Batman game coming out on Tuesday</P>

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 01:00 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</p>


Why not? This is America.</p>



Well of course you can in the literal sense. But it has to be taken with a grain of salt if you are not prepared to back it up. It's kind of like Mayweather and Manny. Floyd talks all that **** but he won't fight.
</p>


What is this preoccupation you guys have with having to put money on everything? I work too hard for my money to bet it on future results that I can't control.</p>


Lets just argue about it and call each other names like mature men do.</p>
You know the saying, "Put your money where your mouth is." You care to argue about the results and argue why you think you are right but at the end of the day if their is nothing gained or lost then why even argue about it in the first place? It makes it fun...

That last part was funny.

dezzzR
10-13-2011, 01:00 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/12/underage-alcohol-usage-so_n_1007680.html

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:02 PM
Charisma Carpenter -- who played hot cheerleader Cordelia Chase in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- tells TMZ, she narrowly avoided serious injury this week ... after a maniac driver smashed into her car ... then fled the scene.

Don't worry Pizz, she is ok. [;)]
</p>


ha! i forgot about her....she was skanky! but hott obviously.</p>


listen, my buffy fandom started, and ended with Sarah Michelle Gellar! That's it!!! And she has kind fallen off the face of the planet, so...leave me my childhood!! =(</p>

denial is an ugly thing

I hear your into the Twilight saga now to get ur fix

DavenIII
10-13-2011, 01:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/RC764.gif

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:03 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>
I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.


its actually quite cowardly - im willing to put fantasy entry fee on it



That Hightower gets more carries than Torrain from here on out (no injuries)?


well if u want the injuries clause in that i want it after this week because Hightower is already said to be limited this week cuz of his shoulder

but yea

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:03 PM
<div class="report">


Longtime Redskins beat writer David Elfin believes the Redskins' feature back job is Ryan Torain's "to take and run with."</p></div>
<div class="impact">We suspect the same thing. "Ryan had a heck of a game (against the Rams). Any time a guy is averaging seven yards a carry, you’re sure going to give him an opportunity to show us what he can do," coach Mike Shanahan said. Tim Hightower is averaging 3.5 yards per carry on the season and has a nicked up shoulder. He's likely ticketed for a third-down role against the Eagles Sunday. </div>




lol like i said my bet is still on the table for anybody else who wants to take it
</p>


Oh the little lies we tell to ourselves........</p>



I know you don't bet MH but you can't make statement like that unless you are ready to pony up.

Unless you are just trying to get under his skin and of course we know you would never do that.
</p>


Why not? This is America.</p>

I regret only making it 25$ I want to make it more but it's already agreed upon, I called this sooo early.


(last week after Torrain's big game) lol

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 01:04 PM
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/d7/d7c217eaf58f0386721ac32b720a0e4e/michael_vick_takes_issue_with_peter_kings_comments .jpg

On Monday, Peter King wrote that Vick's team, the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/phi/) were sloppy and dumb, and then for some reason, tweeted the exact same thing, but harsher and without context.

Vick replied in an interview...."Dumb
and sloppy? I don't even have a comment on that. Unless you played this
game, I don't even think you can make comments like that."

LOL, notice he didn't disagree.

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:04 PM
<div class="report">


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </div>


</p>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</p>

i know it may sound crazy but I think Graham is SUPER underrated and a MUCH better receiver. I think he cna do more for their offenes but Blount is def the better runner

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 01:05 PM
Ortiz is blowing the Yanks. lol What is next for the Sox?

<blockquote id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318522060183684"><p id="yui_3_3_0_1_1318522060183683">"It's
great from what I hear," Ortiz said of the Yankees. "It's a good
situation to be involved in. Who doesn't want to be involved in a great
situation where everything goes the right way?</p>


"They lost just like we did, they just went to the first round of the
playoffs. I ain't heard nobody coming out killing everybody just
because they lost."</p></blockquote>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:05 PM
Weather for Sunday...


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="vbgA" align="center" height="30" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Day[/b]</td>
<td class="vbgA" align="center" height="30" valign="center" width="50%"><b class="blueText">Night[/b]</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#f6f1d4" valign="top">

<div id="todayblock">
<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(227, 225, 199); padding: 5px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006
Mostly Sunny</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">High
<b style="font-size: 18px;">66°F[/b]

Precip
0%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="padding: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 11 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">58%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">UV Index:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">4 Moderate</td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<table style="padding: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20">
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunrise:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">7:09 AM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">64°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record High:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">87°F (1956)</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td>
<td align="center" bgcolor="#ecf0fc" valign="top">

<table style="border: 1px solid rgb(227, 225, 199); padding: 5px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="45%">http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006
Partly Cloudy</td>
<td class="blueText" align="center" valign="center" width="55%">Overnight Low
<b style="font-size: 18px;">56°F[/b]

Precip
10%</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table style="padding: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="54%">Wind:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left" width="46%">From SW at 6 mph </td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Humidity:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">71%</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left"></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table style="padding: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="80%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" height="20"></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Sunset:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">6:15 PM ET</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Avg. Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">42°F</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">Record Low:</td>
<td class="blueFont10" align="left">31°F (1978)</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>



</p>


I packed some shorts that's for sure</p>


</p>


Pack some Listerine too. You're gunna need it to get the soy taste out of your mouth.</p>

lol i met the second person ever to say that Steves was bad the other day in my whole existance of living in the area and talking to hundreds of people that go there.

We can go to Redd's. Its like a basic resteraunt/bar on the road in between the arena and stadium

They have an awesome Giants Mural on the wall

sharick88
10-13-2011, 01:06 PM
<DIV class=report>


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </DIV>


</P>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</P>




i know it may sound crazy but I think Graham is SUPER underrated and a MUCH better receiver. I think he cna do more for their offenes but Blount is def the better runner
</P>


I liked Earnest Graham a few years ago. He got his when they gave him an opportunity. If Tampa is going to win this game, they are going to need Josh Freeman to play out his mind. He can do it</P>

dezzzR
10-13-2011, 01:08 PM
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/d7/d7c217eaf58f0386721ac32b720a0e4e/michael_vick_takes_issue_with_peter_kings_comments .jpg

On Monday, Peter King wrote that Vick's team, the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/phi/) were sloppy and dumb, and then for some reason, tweeted the exact same thing, but harsher and without context.

Vick replied in an interview...."Dumb
and sloppy? I don't even have a comment on that. Unless you played this
game, I don't even think you can make comments like that."

LOL, notice he didn't disagree.
hes sinking deeper and deeper. the media is eating him alive, and i love every second

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:08 PM
This is the latest rage for kid's video games...Skylanders Spyro's Adventures. My kid is out of his mind over this thing. It's not even in stores yet and it's all I hear about.

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-10388731dt.jpg


is that THEE xmas toy that nobody will be able to get this year?

sharick88
10-13-2011, 01:08 PM
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/d7/d7c217eaf58f0386721ac32b720a0e4e/michael_vick_takes_issue_with_peter_kings_comments .jpg

On Monday, Peter King wrote that Vick's team, the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/phi/) were sloppy and dumb, and then for some reason, tweeted the exact same thing, but harsher and without context.

Vick replied in an interview...."Dumb and sloppy? I don't even have a comment on that. Unless you played this game, I don't even think you can make comments like that."

LOL, notice he didn't disagree.
</P>


Pretty impossible to disagree with the truth</P>

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/12/underage-alcohol-usage-so_n_1007680.html




for gay and female teens

bigblue4417
10-13-2011, 01:10 PM
You're gunna need it to get the soy taste out of your mouth.

lol i met the second person ever to say that Steves was bad the other day in my whole existance of living in the area and talking to hundreds of people that go there.

We can go to Redd's. Its like a basic resteraunt/bar on the road in between the arena and stadium

They have an awesome Giants Mural on the wall

NO! lol

I already missed out last year...

MattMeyerBud
10-13-2011, 01:10 PM
<div class="report">


LeGarrette Blount (knee) was not at Bucs practice Thursday.</p></div>
<div class="impact">The Bucs have essentially admitted that they don't expect Blount to play in Sunday's game against the Saints. Earnest Graham is expected to carry the load, with Kregg Lumpkin mixing in on some passing downs. The Bucs have a bye in Week 8 looming, meaning Blount could be held out in Week 7 as well. </div>


</p>


They need him badly after they got absolutely punked by the 49ers this past week.</p>




i know it may sound crazy but I think Graham is SUPER underrated and a MUCH better receiver. I think he cna do more for their offenes but Blount is def the better runner
</p>


I liked Earnest Graham a few years ago. He got his when they gave him an opportunity. If Tampa is going to win this game, they are going to need Josh Freeman to play out his mind. He can do it</p>

I think he capable but he seems to of regressed heavily this year... doesn't look like the same guy