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MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 11:52 AM
Also why do we always have to have a Dallas player calling our games, they are so damn biased against us, it's frustrating listening to games.

I honestly can't stand it!!! I don't see why Eli is making that throw or there is nothing there on that play or there goes Eli again making terrible decisions. Blah Blah Blah. It really is so annoying. I hate the guy.
**** Aikman, I'll give - em another concussion.


lol its funny - out of all of them I feel like Aikman is the most logical and typically gives really good insight

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 11:52 AM
hey, was wondering if any of u guys saw the New York Football Giants football regular season exhibition last night


BIGGGGGGGGGG BLUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Elite-ness does it again!! great gameits raining teardrops all over New England this morning!!even mhs crying tears of joy over elis eliteness
</p>


Eli was bad for 3 quarters. Who didn't want to shoot him after that dumbass, chuck and duck, pick?</p>


But he came through in the 4th quarter. <font color="#0000ff">Good thing we scored a TD at the end.</font> Brady was unstoppable also in the 4th quarter.</p>I don't think anybody likes ints....the wr was there Eli through off his back foot didn't put right where he wanted to it happens....What didTom have two ints yesterdayhow about Rivers ? they all make mistakes and take chances....Great game by Ballard and many other of coarse.... <font size="4">so IF it went to over time we loose?</font>....maybe but thats fiction now....great game!

big b dropping the truth

PREACH BROTHA PREACH!
Right - Maybe we win in overtime also. Nice agressive playcalling in this one.

byron
11-07-2011, 11:53 AM
He still threw that one interception though! (yes he did, but he also drove up and down the field in clutch time in foxboro and we won)


It probably shouldn't even have been a pick either. He just needed to throw it more to the corner of the end zone but the pass rush was getting to him.


and that's obviously what he wanted to and what hethoughthe could do poor decisionI don't think so....poor pass sure it happens.. he didn't like itanymore than we did ....I can't kill him for it....great game

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm not the only amped giant fan....I can tell by way the forum is functioning that we are busy today.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 11:55 AM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 11:56 AM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Also why do we always have to have a Dallas player calling our games, they are so damn biased against us, it's frustrating listening to games.

I honestly can't stand it!!! I don't see why Eli is making that throw or there is nothing there on that play or there goes Eli again making terrible decisions. Blah Blah Blah. It really is so annoying. I hate the guy.
**** Aikman, I'll give - em another concussion.


lol its funny - out of all of them I feel like Aikman is the most logical and typically gives really good insight
I actually don't mind Aikman all too much. That little guy that did the Jet game drives me nuts.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 11:58 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1106/ny_u_ballard-tyree01jr_576.jpg

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 11:58 AM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
I was trying to figure the coaches reason for dropping scott in for that one play. I can't figure Ware out--it's almost like he's hit or miss. aka jacobs. AB seems to be the most suited to make a little something out of nothing.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 11:59 AM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."

absolutely. Nobody is denying that. He improves every year...

but just alot of things that people are saying hes doing better -he actually isn't to the degree they are suggesting. The play of others around him have REALLY made the difference.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 11:59 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1106/ny_u_ballard-tyree01jr_576.jpgYes Lando is amped too! Great Game

byron
11-07-2011, 12:00 PM
Also why do we always have to have a Dallas player calling our games, they are so damn biased against us, it's frustrating listening to games.

I honestly can't stand it!!! I don't see why Eli is making that throw or there is nothing there on that play or there goes Eli again making terrible decisions. Blah Blah Blah. It really is so annoying. I hate the guy.
**** Aikman, I'll give - em another concussion.


lol its funny - out of all of them I feel like Aikman is the most logical and typically gives really good insight
I don't mind Aikman at all...And man when I'm watching I really don't hear them guys much.....except for that ****ing Jaws you want to talk about somebody who needs to be taken out !!...hit him LT!

byron
11-07-2011, 12:01 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."

absolutely. Nobody is denying that. He improves every year...

but just alot of things that people are saying hes doing better -he actually isn't to the degree they are suggesting. The play of others around him have REALLY made the difference.
DidI mention how ****ing good Ballard playing !

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:02 PM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
I was trying to figure the coaches reason for dropping scott in for that one play. I can't figure Ware out--it's almost like he's hit or miss. aka jacobs. AB seems to be the most suited to make a little something out of nothing.


somebody compared Scott possibly being similiar to how bradshaw started here and I kind of downplayed that. But it was weird that when it counted on a huge 3rd down they put him in then yanked him.

Was kind of like Bradshaw sfirst two season - barely had time in the reuglar season then all of a sudden was a workhorse on the superbowl run

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:03 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1106/ny_u_ballard-tyree01jr_576.jpg


haha until costas pointed it out at half of SNF i didn't even make the 85 relationship with ballard and tyree

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:06 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

byron
11-07-2011, 12:07 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1106/ny_u_ballard-tyree01jr_576.jpg Jake BalHard!!!!

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:08 PM
how bout Barden??

Kid looked alrite lol. Honestly the rest of our year is going to be on two groups of people becuase I have faith in the rest:

THE OLINE

THE SECONDARY

thats going to be the question marks

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:10 PM
Also why do we always have to have a Dallas player calling our games, they are so damn biased against us, it's frustrating listening to games.

I honestly can't stand it!!! I don't see why Eli is making that throw or there is nothing there on that play or there goes Eli again making terrible decisions. Blah Blah Blah. It really is so annoying. I hate the guy.
**** Aikman, I'll give - em another concussion.


lol its funny - out of all of them I feel like Aikman is the most logical and typically gives really good insight
I don't mind Aikman at all...And man when I'm watching I really don't hear them guys much.....except for that ****ing Jaws you want to talk about somebody who needs to be taken out !!...hit him LT!Funny ----I'm fairly sure that Jaworski was actually sacked the most out of all the QB's that LT wreaked havoc on.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
I was trying to figure the coaches reason for dropping scott in for that one play. I can't figure Ware out--it's almost like he's hit or miss. aka jacobs. AB seems to be the most suited to make a little something out of nothing.


somebody compared Scott possibly being similiar to how bradshaw started here and I kind of downplayed that. But it was weird that when it counted on a huge 3rd down they put him in then yanked him.

Was kind of like Bradshaw sfirst two season - barely had time in the reuglar season then all of a sudden was a workhorse on the superbowl run
I was wondering if putting him in on a critical 3rd-him having sucess...if this is going to build the kids confidence and when he does start a game it's going to be gang busters. I don't wanna say it, but it is one of a few similarities that I have noticed to our SB year. I'm trying very hard to control myself.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.

byron
11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
how bout Barden??

Kid looked alrite lol. Honestly the rest of our year is going to be on two groups of people becuase I have faith in the rest:

THE OLINE

THE SECONDARY

thats going to be the question marks
his first game back he done good ...seems slowand a bit stiff....yeah the D has to play a bit over their heads they click when they are fired up...and that happens when PF cuts them loose I could feel it yesterday at times they get mean fast ...emotion is your friend on the football field....... kill'em!!!

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 12:16 PM
it sucks but its also a compliment in a way

Fox does the NFC games, so we can't avoid the games being done by them and Fox's top 2 booth groups have a cowboy in each. So really, Fox send their best guys to do the Giants.

Its just sad that Albert-Moose-Goose and Buck-Aikman are the best that Fox have
</P>


I cant believe that after all these years, fox still hasnt gotten the clue about buck...

it's ok now though, ever since Justin Timberlake totally trolled Joe Buck during this year's MLB all-star game, I think everyone BUT fox knows how awful he is lol...

"YOURE CALLING A GREAT GAME JOE!! A GREAT GAME!!"</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:20 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:22 PM
it sucks but its also a compliment in a way

Fox does the NFC games, so we can't avoid the games being done by them and Fox's top 2 booth groups have a cowboy in each. So really, Fox send their best guys to do the Giants.

Its just sad that Albert-Moose-Goose and Buck-Aikman are the best that Fox have
</p>


I cant believe that after all these years, fox still hasnt gotten the clue about buck...

it's ok now though, ever since Justin Timberlake totally trolled Joe Buck during this year's MLB all-star game, I think everyone BUT fox knows how awful he is lol...

"YOURE CALLING A GREAT GAME JOE!! A GREAT GAME!!"</p>

lol honestly they want him for baseball. THey probably get him discounted for football

byron
11-07-2011, 12:24 PM
it sucks but its also a compliment in a way

Fox does the NFC games, so we can't avoid the games being done by them and Fox's top 2 booth groups have a cowboy in each. So really, Fox send their best guys to do the Giants.

Its just sad that Albert-Moose-Goose and Buck-Aikman are the best that Fox have
</P>


I cant believe that after all these years, fox still hasnt gotten the clue about buck...

it's ok now though, ever since Justin Timberlake totally trolled Joe Buck during this year's MLB all-star game, I think everyone BUT fox knows how awful he is lol...

"YOURE CALLING A GREAT GAME JOE!! A GREAT GAME!!"</P> bucks is probably a share holder how crazy would it be to have had Stray in the box last night!

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:27 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


lol-not to be mean, but the plays where the wr catches the ball and he's double covered....those are ok.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:28 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too

byron
11-07-2011, 12:32 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </P>


;)</P>


</P>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:32 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 12:33 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.
</P>


nope, he was inactive yesterday. he was listed a questionable, but was scratched that morning.

my thinking was, dont overwork him in his first game agaisnt an obvious passing attack. maybe give him an easier first game? haha</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:34 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


lol-not to be mean, but the plays where the wr catches the ball and he's double covered....those are ok.


lol exactlllyyyy - now u know why I have these debates wtih him so much

When we are talking about play and what Eli is doing, the result of the play relies on the WR. So when the plays are good - Pappy finds them okay but if the play isn't good, even if its on the WR, he still puts it on Eli

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:34 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</P>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</P>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:35 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.


yea I don't think he even suited up. I know he made the trip but im pretty sure i remember reading that he was a no-go pregame

He def didn't play

byron
11-07-2011, 12:36 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


lol-not to be mean, but the plays where the wr catches the ball and he's double covered....those are ok.
actually i think its... when the wr doesn't catch the ball Eli is chucking and a ducking.when the wr catches the ball Eli done good ...the rest of the time Eli is protecting his lunch money!!!

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:36 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.


yea but so far they've lost every game you've thought they'd lose and they won every game you'd think they'd win

They area decent team but aren't anything to worry about IMO. I am more worried about Philly. Plenty of football left and I think they are ona hot streak. I think they embarress the Bears tonight

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:37 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</p>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</p>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</p>

Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

I'll take my Elite Eli any day

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:38 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.
</p>


nope, he was inactive yesterday. he was listed a questionable, but was scratched that morning.

my thinking was, dont overwork him in his first game agaisnt an obvious passing attack. maybe give him an easier first game? haha</p>Easier game? yes-laughable with our rem. sched.

How are you doing JP? Power outage knocked you for loop last week?

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:38 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </p>


;)</p>


</p>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</p>
LMAO!

You should change your team name to Hammy Squad MMB.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:38 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:39 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.


yea but so far they've lost every game you've thought they'd lose and they won every game you'd think they'd win

They area decent team but aren't anything to worry about IMO. I am more worried about Philly. Plenty of football left and I think they are ona hot streak. I think they embarress the Bears tonight
Yes-Eagles are rolling in right dir. now. I'm happy we have 1 win against them already. A playoff matchup with our clutch QB will be fine with me.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:40 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.

I see no chance in hell of us losing either of those games.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:40 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</P>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</P>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</P>




Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

I'll take my Elite Eli any day


</P>


Our argument has been about the fact that I think Eli is much better this season. You say he is the same.</P>


Tuck agrees with me.</P>


The End......... of Matt's argument.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:41 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:41 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.


yea but so far they've lost every game you've thought they'd lose and they won every game you'd think they'd win

They area decent team but aren't anything to worry about IMO. I am more worried about Philly. Plenty of football left and I think they are ona hot streak. I think they embarress the Bears tonight
Yes-Eagles are rolling in right dir. now. I'm happy we have 1 win against them already. A playoff matchup with our clutch QB will be fine with me.
</P>


The Bears will win tonight. And Vick might not survive the game.</P>

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 12:42 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.
</P>


nope, he was inactive yesterday. he was listed a questionable, but was scratched that morning.

my thinking was, dont overwork him in his first game agaisnt an obvious passing attack. maybe give him an easier first game? haha</P>


Easier game? yes-laughable with our rem. sched.

How are you doing JP? Power outage knocked you for loop last week?
</P>


lol yep! thats why i laughed...

yea dude, i was out for 5 days...total BS, and even worse cuz i was off all week and had nothing to do. it was awful.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:44 PM
I just realized the Prince was scheduled to get some play time yesterday, no? Did I miss him? I don't think he played.
</p>


nope, he was inactive yesterday. he was listed a questionable, but was scratched that morning.

my thinking was, dont overwork him in his first game agaisnt an obvious passing attack. maybe give him an easier first game? haha</p>


Easier game? yes-laughable with our rem. sched.

How are you doing JP? Power outage knocked you for loop last week?
</p>


lol yep! thats why i laughed...

yea dude, i was out for 5 days...total BS, and even worse cuz i was off all week and had nothing to do. it was awful.</p>You had a scheduled vacation and then got stuck in darkness?

byron
11-07-2011, 12:44 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>so you think it was premeditated chuck and duck by Eli... lock him up on the grounds he was trying to make a play on the football field ...he almost 2 sec's ****ing Eli!! ;)

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:44 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</P>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</P>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:45 PM
On to SF where we WILL beat them.
Oh yeah!!! Then the Eagles at home...payback for last years bull****!

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 12:46 PM
You had a scheduled vacation and then got stuck in darkness?
</P>


yup, basically.</P>


had to spend the first weekend, and the first few days at my parents house just so i could shower and get my internet fix....lol</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:47 PM
In loss to the Giants, Wes Welker had 9 receptions for 136 yards. In 8
games this season, Chad Ochocinco has 9 receptions for 136 yards

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:49 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>


so you think it was premeditated chuck and duck by Eli... lock him up on the grounds he was trying to make a play on the football field ...he almost 2 sec's ****ing Eli!! ;)</P>


Not at all. It was a paniced throw. That is the Eli we saw far too often last year. And only a few times this season.</P>


We also didn't see the 2 minute Eli last season that we saw yesterday.</P>


You guys never get my argument about Eli. Every complaint I had in the off season about Eli was exclusively about his play last season. It was never about his overall ability or his upside.</P>


Generally, he seems to have shaken many of those horrific habits. (with the exception of the horrible play last night). And that is a very good thing.</P>


Redemption is a life affirming human experience.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:49 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</p>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</p>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</p>Stop your playin ....Maybe that 1 play and 1 other where in the face of a pass rush, he threw off of back foot. Brady threw 2 pics ystdy.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:50 PM
The Bears will win tonight. And Vick might not survive the game.
I don't think so MH, but I sure hope the Eagles lose.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:51 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</p>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</p>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</p>Stop your playin ....Maybe that 1 play and 1 other where in the face of a pass rush, he threw off of back foot. Brady threw 2 pics ystdy.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:51 PM
On to SF where we WILL beat them.
Oh yeah!!! Then the Eagles at home...payback for last years bull****!
</P>


I just don't see SF putting up enough points against us. We will win unless we beat ourselves.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:52 PM
You had a scheduled vacation and then got stuck in darkness?
</p>


yup, basically.</p>


had to spend the first weekend, and the first few days at my parents house just so i could shower and get my internet fix....lol</p>ah dude--sorry, that's worse than getting sick for a vacation.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:52 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </p>


;)</p>


</p>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</p>
LMAO!

You should change your team name to Hammy Squad MMB.


lol and after Houston jamming the ball with th erun yesterday - ZERO shot Andre is full go this week, i doubt he suits up

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:52 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</P>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</P>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</P>


Stop your playin ....Maybe that 1 play and 1 other where in the face of a pass rush, he threw off of back foot. Brady threw 2 pics ystdy.
</P>


How is what I said different than that?</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:53 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </P>


;)</P>


</P>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</P>



LMAO!

You should change your team name to Hammy Squad MMB.


lol and after Houston jamming the ball with th erun yesterday - ZERO shot Andre is full go this week, i doubt he suits up
</P>


Looks like MMB got MMB'd.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:53 PM
On ware, my opinion up to this game was also that he is useless. He can't pick up the blitz to save his life. Ystdy -I thght he did a bit better. Why won't you call him DJ?

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:54 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>

See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:55 PM
On ware, my opinion up to this game was also that he is useless. He can't pick up the blitz to save his life. Ystdy -I thght he did a bit better. Why won't you call him DJ?
</P>


I don't like guys who change their names. Who do they think they are?</P>


Old School Morehead.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 12:57 PM
It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.
How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 12:57 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>




See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
</P>


No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 12:59 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</p>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</p>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</p>


Stop your playin ....Maybe that 1 play and 1 other where in the face of a pass rush, he threw off of back foot. Brady threw 2 pics ystdy.
</p>


How is what I said different than that?</p>Sorry-So we agree, the kid did good.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 12:59 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</p>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</p>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</p>




Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

I'll take my Elite Eli any day


</p>


Our argument has been about the fact that I think Eli is much better this season. You say he is the same.</p>


Tuck agrees with me.</p>


The End......... of Matt's argument.</p>

and again - even in your summary u still don't know my argument:

Eli has improved every year and this year is no different. He is playing better.

But you just dramatically under appreciated how well he actually played last year that you seem to think theres some great leap - and theres no. Things you've killed him for last year he still does and they RARELY bit us in the *** this year where oppose to last year they bit us in the *** MORE than they should have.

So in reality we're all on the same page - Eli is playing better this year

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = FAIL


yea really - it was his other one too
but god dam Dallas is 4/4 and we have not played them once yet. I hate that team.


yea but so far they've lost every game you've thought they'd lose and they won every game you'd think they'd win

They area decent team but aren't anything to worry about IMO. I am more worried about Philly. Plenty of football left and I think they are ona hot streak. I think they embarress the Bears tonight
Yes-Eagles are rolling in right dir. now. I'm happy we have 1 win against them already. A playoff matchup with our clutch QB will be fine with me.
</p>


The Bears will win tonight. And Vick might not survive the game.</p>

honestly the bears carpable of getting hits on Vick and thats the onyl way. If they odn't know him out they are going to get skunked

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:00 PM
It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.
How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
</P>


he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</P>


But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:01 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


That WAS a scary pass from Eli. That being said, no qb is perfect--overall he managed the game very well.

To think you could of been at that game last night MH
</p>


It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.</p>


And someone please tell me what the hell Danny Ware (refuse to call him DJ) was in the game so much for. He is useless.</p>

lol if that play was completed in the endzone, you would still be wiping your mouth from all the little eli's that would of been running down your chin

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:04 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


so you think it was premeditated chuck and duck by Eli... lock him up on the grounds he was trying to make a play on the football field ...he almost 2 sec's ****ing Eli!! ;)</p>


Not at all. It was a paniced throw. That is the Eli we saw far too often last year. And only a few times this season.</p>


We also didn't see the 2 minute Eli last season that we saw yesterday.</p>


You guys never get my argument about Eli. Every complaint I had in the off season about Eli was exclusively about his play last season. It was never about his overall ability or his upside.</p>


Generally, he seems to have shaken many of those horrific habits. (with the exception of the horrible play last night). And that is a very good thing.</p>


Redemption is a life affirming human experience.</p>

He HAD to rush it and the play was there. If he had a half second more he could of got that ball there. This is where your whole "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CHANCE" argument goes to ****.

YEs we do understand what your arguments were. But the thing is those knocks you have on Eli from last season he still does this year. EVERYBODY has said it to you from daven, to me, to lando (you couldn't get 3 more extremes in Thee thread then that). The difference is the results - but when we're talking about Eli as the QB and doing things and making decisions - the results are moot.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:04 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>


so you think it was premeditated chuck and duck by Eli... lock him up on the grounds he was trying to make a play on the football field ...he almost 2 sec's ****ing Eli!! ;)</p>


Not at all. It was a paniced throw. That is the Eli we saw far too often last year. And only a few times this season.</p>


We also didn't see the 2 minute Eli last season that we saw yesterday.</p>


You guys never get my argument about Eli. Every complaint I had in the off season about Eli was exclusively about his play last season. It was never about his overall ability or his upside.</p>


Generally, he seems to have shaken many of those horrific habits. (with the exception of the horrible play last night). And that is a very good thing.</p>


Redemption is a life affirming human experience.</p>

He HAD to rush it and the play was there. If he had a half second more he could of got that ball there. This is where your whole "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CHANCE" argument goes to ****.

YEs we do understand what your arguments were. But the thing is those knocks you have on Eli from last season he still does this year. EVERYBODY has said it to you from daven, to me, to lando (you couldn't get 3 more extremes in Thee thread then that). The difference is the results - but when we're talking about Eli as the QB and doing things and making decisions - the results are moot.

byron
11-07-2011, 01:04 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>


so you think it was premeditated chuck and duck by Eli... lock him up on the grounds he was trying to make a play on the football field ...he almost 2 sec's ****ing Eli!! ;)</P>


Not at all. It was a paniced throw. That is the Eli we saw far too often last year. And only a few times this season.</P>


We also didn't see the 2 minute Eli last season that we saw yesterday.</P>


You guys never get my argument about Eli. Every complaint I had in the off season about Eli was exclusively about his play last season. It was never about his overall ability or his upside.</P>


Generally, he seems to have shaken many of those horrific habits. (with the exception of the horrible play last night). And that is a very good thing.</P>


Redemption is a life affirming human experience.</P> I wonder just how many throws on any football field by any QBare exicuted withoutsome heightenedsense of urgency/ panic? Ain't like they have hour back their.....but whatever he's getting payed to be cool, calm and collected.....why that just epitomizes whoEli is.....mr Cooool !....;).....on to the west coast!

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:05 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</P>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</P>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</P>




Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

I'll take my Elite Eli any day


</P>


Our argument has been about the fact that I think Eli is much better this season. You say he is the same.</P>


Tuck agrees with me.</P>


The End......... of Matt's argument.</P>




and again - even in your summary u still don't know my argument:

Eli has improved every year and this year is no different. He is playing better.

But you just dramatically under appreciated how well he actually played last year that you seem to think theres some great leap - and theres no. Things you've killed him for last year he still does and they RARELY bit us in the *** this year where oppose to last year they bit us in the *** MORE than they should have.

So in reality we're all on the same page - Eli is playing better this year
</P>


My argument is that Eli regressed last season. He fell into some really bad, old habits. This season he has clearly identified this in his game and has worked hard to overcome those impulses.</P>


He has NEVER moved this well in the pocket to create time. Last year it was a rushed chuck into coverage and a duck out of the way of rushing lineman. This year its subtle moves in the pocket to create more time to let a play develop.</P>


Isee it and obviously Justin Tuck sees it. And it reflected in his productivity and his confidence.</P>


You can't see it because you see him through the skewed and twisted prism of your agenda.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:05 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </p>


;)</p>


</p>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</p>



LMAO!

You should change your team name to Hammy Squad MMB.


lol and after Houston jamming the ball with th erun yesterday - ZERO shot Andre is full go this week, i doubt he suits up
</p>


Looks like MMB got MMB'd.</p>
contrary to popular belief about the andre trade i made - that was really for the playoffs. I took for granted hes not going to play for the first three weeks I have him

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:06 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>




See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
</p>


No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</p>

when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Miles Austin Hamstrings = Laurent Robinson </p>


;)</p>


</p>


just playing man...to bad for Miles</p>
LMAO!

You should change your team name to Hammy Squad MMB.


lol and after Houston jamming the ball with th erun yesterday - ZERO shot Andre is full go this week, i doubt he suits up

Not a chance in hell.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:08 PM
It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.
How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
</p>


he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</p>


But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</p>

NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us

dezzzR
11-07-2011, 01:08 PM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
i dont know what youre watching man. lol

but yea scott had a 5 yard run and that was it. pretty lame.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:10 PM
"I have been here seven years with him," Tuck said. "I would dare to say he is playing his best ball in the whole seven years."</p>


Matt disagrees with Tuck.</p>


Tuck agrees with Morehead.</p>




Moorehead is too busy back tracking and changing his arguments that he doesn't even know what Matt's points are...

I'll take my Elite Eli any day


</p>


Our argument has been about the fact that I think Eli is much better this season. You say he is the same.</p>


Tuck agrees with me.</p>


The End......... of Matt's argument.</p>




and again - even in your summary u still don't know my argument:

Eli has improved every year and this year is no different. He is playing better.

But you just dramatically under appreciated how well he actually played last year that you seem to think theres some great leap - and theres no. Things you've killed him for last year he still does and they RARELY bit us in the *** this year where oppose to last year they bit us in the *** MORE than they should have.

So in reality we're all on the same page - Eli is playing better this year
</p>


My argument is that Eli regressed last season. He fell into some really bad, old habits. This season he has clearly identified this in his game and has worked hard to overcome those impulses.</p>


He has NEVER moved this well in the pocket to create time. Last year it was a rushed chuck into coverage and a duck out of the way of rushing lineman. This year its subtle moves in the pocket to create more time to let a play develop.</p>


Isee it and obviously Justin Tuck sees it. And it reflected in his productivity and his confidence.</p>


You can't see it because you see him through the skewed and twisted prism of your agenda.</p>

well again, your wrong he absolutely didn't regress last year. He still does these old and bad habits and like i said they've just been completed this year so you over look them.

He has never HAD to move around in the pocket like this. You seem to forget the job our line USE to do. He use to just be able to sit there and throw - now he doesn't have that luxory. Its not that hes just deciding to be more mobile, hes being forced too.

We all see his improvement from year to year, except for you obviously since u think hes regressed last year

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:12 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>




See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
</P>


No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</P>




when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong
</P>


No...my point is that I go by what I see on the field. I don't rely on stats. because stats often don't tell the story. Especially in football.</P>


I see a more relaxed and confident player in the pocket, and it has translated into better and more productive play. I no longer see a player who is only productive when everybody else around him plays well. to me thats a huge step.</P>


You think he's just as bad as he always was. You don't believe in Eli like I do.I see a guy who can learn from his mistakes. Of course you're the one who hexed him in the first place.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:15 PM
speaking on the running game:

I know we all got excited for SCott and up til that point it was a big question why he wasn't getting used more. But even after Scott got his shot and did good, we went back to Ware and he ended up playing a pretty damn fine game for us
i dont know what youre watching man. lol

but yea scott had a 5 yard run and that was it. pretty lame.


Ware was VERY effective in picking up the block yesterday. He may of gotten blown him and taken the hit bad - but he still did his job. Just because he wasn't flat backing people (and he even ended up getting flat backed) he was still able to take the defender out of the play by unwillingly giving up his body.

And as for running he had NO holes and he made a couple of runs for us that he had no business getting positive yardage on. He looked quick and strong at time. I thought he did a damn fine job.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:18 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</p>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</p>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</p>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </p>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</p>




See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
</p>


No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</p>




when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong
</p>


No...my point is that I go by what I see on the field. I don't rely on stats. because stats often don't tell the story. Especially in football.</p>


I see a more relaxed and confident player in the pocket, and it has translated into better and more productive play. I no longer see a player who is only productive when everybody else around him plays well. to me thats a huge step.</p>


You think he's just as bad as he always was. You don't believe in Eli like I do.I see a guy who can learn from his mistakes. Of course you're the one who hexed him in the first place.</p>

im sorry that first line may work in TAGF - but now with us lol. You've overlooked his chuck n duck throws and throwing into multiman coverages because theres been success. SO i'm sorry, i disagree that your going off what you see because your letting the stats overshadow things you've knocked him for which he still does.

Relaxed and more confidence in th pocket? I've never seen him have to move around like this EVER. I don't think hes relaxed in there at all. Like you've pointed out hes been on the move ALOT more

Confidence with Eli is NEVER an issue

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:19 PM
It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.
How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
</P>


he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</P>


But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</P>




NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us
</P>


You MUST be able to throw off your back foot to play in the NFL. Thats not just from me, thats what Phil Simms said a few years ago when Eli was being criticized for doing just that.</P>


I don't have any problem with throwing off your back foot. Drew Bledsoe made a career of it.</P>


And I have the undeniable argument about interceprtions and why they are very important when determining our team winning.</P>


Eli's greatest run was undoubtedly the 4 game playoff run in 07. In those 4 games he averaged 1.5 TD's/game and about 220 yards/game. Right in line with his career averages. Nothing spectacular at all. What WAS spectacular is that he threw 1 total INT in those 4 games (at that one was Steve Smith's fault.</P>


Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games. It translated into a SB championship. </P>


That is the formula for Giants SB championships. You may not agree (and clearly don't). But history has proven that I'm right.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:22 PM
It was scary because it was "The old Eli". We thought we had seen the last of him. He showing his ugly self on that play. I'm sure Eli understood that and went back to the "new and improved Eli" that we have seen for most of this season.
How about this...Had the O-Line given him 1 more second it would not have been a chuck and duck instead being a perfectly thrown ball to the back corner of the end zone for a TD to Manningham.

The 3 points would have been huge right there, but I can't fault Eli for trying to make the play.
</p>


he paniced Landon. Thats all it was. It was a rookie play. Did you read TC's lips when it happened?..."Don't do that!"</p>


But I do not want to dwell since it is definately the exception this season and not the rule. Last season it was the rule.</p>




NNNNoooo - it really wasn't. If you go back and look at ALL of those balls how many of them were interceptions thrown off the back foot that dind't have the ball ever get to the WR?

Like I said- your dramatically overhype the INTs we had in correlation to how well Eli actually played for us
</p>


<font size="6">You MUST be able to throw off your back foot to play in the NFL. Thats not just from me, thats what Phil Simms said a few years ago when Eli was being criticized for doing just that.</font></p>


I don't have any problem with throwing off your back foot. Drew Bledsoe made a career of it.</p>


And I have the undeniable argument about interceprtions and why they are very important when determining our team winning.</p>


Eli's greatest run was undoubtedly the 4 game playoff run in 07. In those 4 games he averaged 1.5 TD's/game and about 220 yards/game. Right in line with his career averages. Nothing spectacular at all. What WAS spectacular is that he threw 1 total INT in those 4 games (at that one was Steve Smith's fault.</p>


Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games. It translated into a SB championship. </p>


That is the formula for Giants SB championships. You may not agree (and clearly don't). But history has proven that I'm right.</p>

honestly the fact that u just said that after even everything u've even said TODAY, i can't even continue reading what u said after it

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games.
Did you just compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:23 PM
How about that Matt Ryan. lol

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 01:23 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:24 PM
okay i went back and read what u said anyway..

but the truth of the matter is OBVIOUSLY turnovers are costly. But we did have two turnovers yesterday as well and we still won the game.

The general point you miss about the picks last year is that the number was dramatically inflated due to the WRs running wrong routes, tipping balls up, and garbage time balls. IN GENERAL - the INTs that are applied to Eli's starts are overrated, overexaggerated, and do not tell the story of how he played last year.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:25 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.


lol when davens convinced me to walk away from a convo - i know i must leave

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:26 PM
Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games.
Did you just compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?
</P>


Go back to bed. You're not thinking straight.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:26 PM
How about that Matt Ryan. lol


i still think he blows ****...

Julio Jones is freak status

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:27 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.


lol when davens convinced me to walk away from a convo - i know i must leave
</P>


When you have no facts to back up your argument like I just gave you....I don't blame you. Get out while the getting is good. I just proved with geometric logic that I am right.</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:30 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.
</P>


Now you've lost your mind. I personally drove Izbo off these boards.</P>


And in what universe does the suggestion that Eli is playing very well this year translate to "Eli hate"</P>


I already know the answer...In the twisted and bizaarro universe of the Eli Cultist.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:30 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.


lol when davens convinced me to walk away from a convo - i know i must leave
</p>


When you have no facts to back up your argument like I just gave you....I don't blame you. Get out while the getting is good. I just proved with geometric logic that I am right.</p>

moorehead the onyl facts you've used are Eli's stats this year - which completely contradicts your overall point of just watching the game

in reality you have no facts. Sad day for Moorehead, hes on tilt. Don't know if hes coming or going

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:33 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.
</p>


Now you've lost your mind. I personally drove Izbo off these boards.</p>


And in what universe does the suggestion that Eli is playing very well this year translate to "Eli hate"</p>


I already know the answer...In the twisted and bizaarro universe of the Eli Cultist.</p>

riiiight lol. The argument is extended beyond that. The fact that you are unable to grasp the fact that generally everybody agrees eli is playing better this year shows how off the rails you are.

You just seem to miss that we are actually using your same logic that your praising him for this year to destroy your view of how he played last season. And you've yet to throw up even a halfway decent response to that. Just jibber-jabber

byron
11-07-2011, 01:33 PM
i would just like to point out too that the ball to Ballard on the 3rd and long was a GREAT catch by Ballard - but thats the type of throws that Eli gets NO CREDIT for.

That pass was just as impressive and beautiful as the catch. Just from past discussions thats the exact type of ball that I am talking about when I say nobody gives Eli the credit fora placement like that.

It was a Morehead for sure.


lol here i'll do moorehead response to this:

I want my QB to make plays and be a playmaker and sometimes its okay to throw into double coverage - like the ballard play


</P>


It was a great pass and a great catch. Had to be made given the game situation.</P>


Eli made a lot of nice throws yesterday. But he also made a bonehead play in the endzone that could have easily cost us the game. he did EXACTLY what I can't stand. Chucked it up for grabs in the face of a pass rush. It was a definate "chuck and duck" and you all know it.</P>


But he did a great job in the 4th quarter and that was a glorious victory for our team. </P>


On to SF where we WILL beat them.</P>




See this is where your opinions puzzle me. Define why is "HAD TO BE MADE". If it was picked off would you of still said that? doubtful

And I agree - that is the exact play you talk about. That is also the same exact play that me and lando call a "MOOREHEAD". Had it been completed like other chuck n duck balls had been this season - u would of all of a sudden thought eli was hall of fame ready.

Like I said, you look at the results of Eli this year and suggest that hes doing much better. But those same knocks that you said overshadow his performance statistically last year, he still does and you choose to ignore them or have some jaded reasoning as to why it was situationally okay
</P>


No...I watch Eli play on the field and I see a better football player.</P>




when you make generic answers to my specific response - it lets me know that you know your wrong
</P>


No...my point is that I go by what I see on the field. I don't rely on stats. because stats often don't tell the story. Especially in football.</P>


I see a more relaxed and confident player in the pocket, and it has translated into better and more productive play. I no longer see a player who is only productive when everybody else around him plays well. to me thats a huge step.</P>


You think he's just as bad as he always was. You don't believe in Eli like I do.<FONT color=#0000ff>I see a guy who can learn from his mistakes.f course you're the one who hexed him in the first place.</FONT></P>


</P>


Aside form the arguments between you and the rest of the world ;) one does and should become more relaxed and confident as he learns his trade..common sense..We can alldebate Eli's level of improvement, but to say he hasn't doesn't give him much credit as a person/player soI agree for the most part with you he has improved...in fact yearly in my mind....</P>


as for the highlighted I have all ways believed that of Eli even last year when things weren't as well as we all would have liked ...and Damn you Matt !</P>


so I guess we agree for the most part......I'm done with this one Eli is a damn good QB perhaps destine to be known as one of the greats one day..</P>


</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:35 PM
Average production but extrordinary ball security is what characterized his play during those 4 games.
Did you just compare Eli to Trent Dilfer?
</p>


Go back to bed. You're not thinking straight.</p>
Guess I should have put that one in red [;)]

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:36 PM
How about that Matt Ryan. lol


i still think he blows ****...

Julio Jones is freak status

No **** huh!? lol

That first TD catch was amazing.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:37 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.


lol when davens convinced me to walk away from a convo - i know i must leave
</P>


When you have no facts to back up your argument like I just gave you....I don't blame you. Get out while the getting is good. I just proved with geometric logic that I am right.</P>




moorehead the onyl facts you've used are Eli's stats this year - which completely contradicts your overall point of just watching the game

in reality you have no facts. Sad day for Moorehead, hes on tilt. Don't know if hes coming or going
</P>


Please find the post today where I referenced Eli's stats this season.</P>


You made the rediculous assertion that I overemphasize interceptions. I then retorted that in Eli's greatest run, the only exceptional thing about it was a lack of int's.</P>


It is the way we win. We need Eli to make plays. We need him to understand the game situations and take the appropriate risks. BUT, we need him to place a high priority on ball security. because when he does, we win football games. Not only football games but CHAMPIONSHIPS.</P>


His own personal history proves it. What is your argument to the contrary.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:38 PM
<font color="#0000FF" size="4">Eli Manning is the #1 rated QB in the 4th quarter</font>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 01:40 PM
How about that Matt Ryan. lol


i still think he blows ****...

Julio Jones is freak status

No **** huh!? lol

That first TD catch was amazing.
</P>


BTW...Fear the Underdog is back and in full force. Even Gonzo outperformed Jimmy. I was sure I was getting killed yesterday by Pats.</P>


</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 01:44 PM
How about that Ryan Torrain?

What in the Helu is goin on there MH?

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:48 PM
There is no point in arguing with Morehead over this Matt, just poke fun at him.

Moreheads view on Eli is PURELY results driven...situations, other players on our team the team we are playing against...none of that matters to him..

he is Izbo when it comes to Eli...he might as well just read the newspaper the day after the game to make his decision.

Eli can do all the things Morehead hates "chuck and duck" and whatever else...but if he has a good game statistically...morehead will talk about how well he played, Eli could do everything perfect...step into every pass...never throw into double coverage...always make the "right" decision...but if his numbers are poor Morehead will talk about all the bad things he did (even if he didn't do any)

Morehead has an agenda, he is "anti" Eli for some reason...let him do his thing..this is our time to rub it in on him...Eli showed us his true colors yesterday much to the chagrin of Ole Pappy over there.


lol when davens convinced me to walk away from a convo - i know i must leave
</p>


When you have no facts to back up your argument like I just gave you....I don't blame you. Get out while the getting is good. I just proved with geometric logic that I am right.</p>




moorehead the onyl facts you've used are Eli's stats this year - which completely contradicts your overall point of just watching the game

in reality you have no facts. Sad day for Moorehead, hes on tilt. Don't know if hes coming or going
</p>


Please find the post today where I referenced Eli's stats this season.</p>


You made the rediculous assertion that I overemphasize interceptions. I then retorted that in Eli's greatest run, the only exceptional thing about it was a lack of int's.</p>


It is the way we win. We need Eli to make plays. We need him to understand the game situations and take the appropriate risks. BUT, we need him to place a high priority on ball security. because when he does, we win football games. Not only football games but CHAMPIONSHIPS.</p>


His own personal history proves it. What is your argument to the contrary.</p>

lol so basically you just admitted that you completely avoided the topic at hand and brought up something completely different like the superbowl run.

I fail to see where as you pin most of your knocks on Eli off of the STATISTIC of INTERCEPTIONS that that isn't counting as using stats. I say your just seeing 24 interceptions and saying jeez- thats what it is.

Then you turn around and say - its NOT that. Your watching how he plays - when he throws into double and triple coverages and "CHUCKING AND DUCKING" and THOSE are the things that kill us.

But then on game day in person with multiple witnesses - sometimes its okay to to throw into coverages. Then even today after *****ing about the chuck n duck, you qoute Simms about how you HAVE to do it if your in the NFL. Could you be all over the place anymore?

Listen, the truth to your opinion baout how Eli is playing is how the play ends up. Not whether he did good or not. On good balls that get tipped off the WRs hand and go for INTs you'll kill eli. On bad balls that the WR makes a play on you'll praise eli. Throws off the back leg and into coverages - you onlu have issues with them if they aren't completed

Are we seeing a pattern here? Your own personal history proves it, you technically go by stats even though you say you don't

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:49 PM
How about that Ryan Torrain?

What in the Helu is goin on there MH?


i was going to wait until the Giants talk calmed down lol

lawl
11-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Watch out for them chedda bobs</P>

lawl
11-07-2011, 01:52 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:54 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>

no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Nov 6
Helu will start at running back for Washington against San Francisco on Sunday, 49ers.com reports.

Recommendation:
It's a surprising development in that there were previously no hints
from coach Mike Shanahan that this would occur, but between Ryan
Torain's weak showings of late and Shanahan's extensive history of
acting on whims, the sense of surprise fades quickly in this case.
Helu's numbers might not be especially strong against a tough San
Francisco run defense, but it would probably take a rough performance
for him not to keep the starting job beyond this game.
</p>



</p>



</p>

snickers
</p>

lawl
11-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</P>


</P>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 02:03 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</p>


</p>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</p>

because he had less to work with and his interceptions REALLY weren't a telling story of how he performed. We leaned on him more, better comp %, 10 wins, and he lined us up to get into the playoffs and the defense blew it vs Philly

And while the defense completely blew in 09 and 10- i'd say Eli was not at his best during the two most important games that year which was CArolina and Minny.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:17 PM
Prior to last night the Green Bay Packers were the only NFC team to ever beat the pat's at Gillete since 2002.

NYG ended a Pat's Nfl record 31 game @ home win streak last night.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 02:18 PM
Prior to last night the Green Bay Packers were the only NFC team to ever beat the pat's at Gillete since 2002.

NYG ended a Pat's Nfl record 31 game @ home win streak last night.




and was the first time they've been shut out at half since 06

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:18 PM
BTW...Fear the Underdog is back and in full force. Even Gonzo outperformed Jimmy. I was sure I was getting killed yesterday by Pats.


</p>
You needed Stafford about as much as I did.

Nice win, I thought you were going to lose to. Better for me you beat him.

There are going to be 6 teams tied at 5-4. Playoffs will come down to the last week.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:19 PM
<font color="#0000FF" size="4">Eli Manning is the #1 rated QB in the 4th quarter</font>
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

shocknaweny
11-07-2011, 02:19 PM
well I see I caused another controversey...sorry guys...in reference to the trade Matt and I made....Romo got 28 points this week...Schaub got 8.90 or something and Antonio Brown got 10.90 ( although he was on my BN cause I liked DHB for some reason ) and Andre sat on the sidelins like th ***** he is....I could have had Rodgers @ 6 !!!! lmao</P>


in other news Pittsburgh D' cost me $1200.00 bux last night on a 8 game parlay.</P>


great win for Giants though !!!!</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:20 PM
Prior to last night the Green Bay Packers were the only NFC team to ever beat the pat's at Gillete since 2002.

NYG ended a Pat's Nfl record 31 game @ home win streak last night.




and was the first time they've been shut out at half since 06
I'm giddy like a little school girl. I don't want this to end.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:21 PM
Prior to last night the Green Bay Packers were the only NFC team to ever beat the pat's at Gillete since 2002.

NYG ended a Pat's Nfl record 31 game @ home win streak last night.




and was the first time they've been shut out at half since 06

First time for us since '04. lol

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:21 PM
RB Beanie Wells is clearly struggling with a right knee injury. Wells
lacks his usual explosiveness. He gained 20 yards on 10 carries against
the Rams.


Soooooo glad I got out from under that. Even CJ0K showed some life this weekend.

shocknaweny
11-07-2011, 02:27 PM
been reading up on some past pages and I think next season we should not even have trades if people are going to get so upset....I don't DUMP players...I wanted Romo....outside of LT nobody has had injuries like I have had this season....it's INSANE !!!</P>


do I not have a right to give up on a player that I deemed useless since he never plays for me...I wanted Romo....Matt had Romo ( Romo is better than Schaub ) </P>


anyway this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...</P>


carry on...</P>

shocknaweny
11-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Cowboys proably lost Austin for a while...</P>


Tebow played GREAT !!!</P>


Matt I took Atlanta and am still alive in a $2000.00 survivor pool with 4 guys left....2 took Oakland yesterday and one took the Chiefs....the bad news is I HAVE to take Philly next week @ home against Arizona so I will be rooting for them ( which sux )</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:35 PM
<div class="report">


Coach Jim Caldwell said Monday that Dallas Clark (leg) has a "significant" injury that will last "more than a week."</p>
</div>

According to Tom James of the Terre Haute
Tribune Star, the injury "may be season ending" and the Colts are in the
process of signing another tight end.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:35 PM
<div class="report">


Miles Austin (hamstring) is expected to be out 2-4 weeks, according to ESPN Dallas.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Austin has now sustained hamstring pulls on
both of his legs this season. The latest one, on his right side, is
almost certainly a Grade 2 kind of strain. The only good news for owners
is that even if Austin misses the full month, he'll still be back in
time for the fantasy playoffs.
</div>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:35 PM
<div class="report">


Frank Gore sustained a left ankle sprain in
the second quarter of Sunday's win over the Redskins and was spotted
walking gingerly following the game.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Per beat writer Matt Maiocco, there "is a
reason for concern." After Gore's post-game press conference, he needed
assistance just to step down from a riser. The good news is that he
finished the game out and looked fine in doing so. The starter is riding a five-game streak with 100 or more
rushing yards.
</div>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:39 PM
Cowboys proably lost Austin for a while...</p>


Tebow played GREAT !!!</p>


Matt I took Atlanta and am still alive in a $2000.00 survivor pool with 4 guys left....2 took Oakland yesterday and one took the Chiefs....the bad news is I HAVE to take Philly next week @ home against Arizona so I will be rooting for them ( which sux )</p>
I don't think that is bad news. Perfect time to have to use them and they should win for sure. I don't think Kolb will be playing either so even better. lol

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 02:40 PM
Nov 6 Helu will start at running back for Washington against San Francisco on Sunday, 49ers.com reports.


Recommendation: It's a surprising development in that there were previously no hints from coach Mike Shanahan that this would occur, but between Ryan Torain's weak showings of late and Shanahan's extensive history of acting on whims, the sense of surprise fades quickly in this case. Helu's numbers might not be especially strong against a tough San Francisco run defense, but it would probably take a rough performance for him not to keep the starting job beyond this game.
</P>




</P>




</P>


snickers
</P>


</P>


No one can explain what motivates Mike Shanahan to do anything. He has screwed up that entire team. Niether Helu or Torrain are worth having. I will dump Torrian this week.As I said last week, no one on the Washington offense is worth having in FF.</P>


But clearly youguessed right about Helu. He sucks less.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:41 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...

Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:42 PM
<div class="report">


Frank Gore sustained a left ankle sprain in
the second quarter of Sunday's win over the Redskins and was spotted
walking gingerly following the game.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Per beat writer Matt Maiocco, there "is a
reason for concern." After Gore's post-game press conference, he needed
assistance just to step down from a riser. The good news is that he
finished the game out and looked fine in doing so. The starter is riding a five-game streak with 100 or more
rushing yards.
</div>The Giant's Gods are Smiling on us.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:42 PM
Eli Manning directed a Giants comeback Sunday that looked awfully
reminiscent of New York's stunning Super Bowl upset of New England.

<center><h4>Eli Manning's Final Drive Comebacks

Against Patriots</h4></center>

<table><thead>
<tr>
<th>
</th>
<th>Super Bowl XLII</th>
<th>Sunday</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr class="last">
<td>Time remaining*</td>
<td>2:39</td>
<td>1:36</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Comp-att</td>
<td>5-9</td>
<td>3-7</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Pass yards</td>
<td>48</td>
<td>77</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Time left</td>
<td>0:35</td>
<td>0:15</td></tr></tbody></table>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 02:44 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</P>


</P>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</P>


</P>


Try these on Lawl and you'll understand.</P>


http://www.brianjamesnyc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/rose-colored-glasses.jpg</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:48 PM
The Giants have forced at least one turnover in 21 straight regular-season games

Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13256/jason-pierre-paul)
had a sack for the fifth straight game

The Giants have 14 players
remaining from the 2008 Super Bowl team, the Patriots have seven.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:48 PM
Eli Manning directed a Giants comeback Sunday that looked awfully
reminiscent of New York's stunning Super Bowl upset of New England.

<center><h4>Eli Manning's Final Drive Comebacks

Against Patriots</h4></center>

<table><thead>
<tr>
<th>
</th>
<th>Super Bowl XLII</th>
<th>Sunday</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr class="last">
<td>Time remaining*</td>
<td>2:39</td>
<td>1:36</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Comp-att</td>
<td>5-9</td>
<td>3-7</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Pass yards</td>
<td>48</td>
<td>77</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last">
<td>Time left</td>
<td>0:35</td>
<td>0:15</td></tr></tbody></table>Lovin it, keep it coming.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 02:49 PM
BTW...Fear the Underdog is back and in full force. Even Gonzo outperformed Jimmy. I was sure I was getting killed yesterday by Pats.


</P>



You needed Stafford about as much as I did.

Nice win, I thought you were going to lose to. Better for me you beat him.

There are going to be 6 teams tied at 5-4. Playoffs will come down to the last week.
</P>


The Stafford trade was pure genius. It will win the league for me. I told you that the GB/SD game would be a shoot out and would be good for Rivers. But Stafford has almost as good numbers as Rodgers. 14 picks for Rivers will kill me with the new unvoted-upon scoring for Int's.</P>


I'll see how the Bears defense plays this week before I decide who to start next week.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 02:50 PM
Carl Banks called Ramses Barden the unsung hero of the game.

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 02:53 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</P>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 02:53 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</p>


</p>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</p>


</p>


Try these on Lawl and you'll understand.</p>


http://www.brianjamesnyc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/rose-colored-glasses.jpg</p>The kids wouldn't know about the aviators. I was stylin with my avi's and sheeplined bomber jacket.

http://acepilots.com/conrad50.jpg

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 02:54 PM
Carl Banks called Ramses Barden the unsung hero of the game.
</P>


dude, it was so awesome to actually see him on the field, and actually be a part of it!

He DID have a very timely reception! lol</P>

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 02:55 PM
whoops double post.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 02:56 PM
Nov 6 Helu will start at running back for Washington against San Francisco on Sunday, 49ers.com reports.


Recommendation: It's a surprising development in that there were previously no hints from coach Mike Shanahan that this would occur, but between Ryan Torain's weak showings of late and Shanahan's extensive history of acting on whims, the sense of surprise fades quickly in this case. Helu's numbers might not be especially strong against a tough San Francisco run defense, but it would probably take a rough performance for him not to keep the starting job beyond this game.
</p>




</p>




</p>


snickers
</p>


</p>


No one can explain what motivates Mike Shanahan to do anything. He has screwed up that entire team. Niether Helu or Torrain are worth having. I will dump Torrian this week.As I said last week, no one on the Washington offense is worth having in FF.</p>


But clearly youguessed right about Helu. He sucks less.</p>

140 total yards

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 02:58 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</p>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>

how did we do that

and i say lies! had we done the smaller bench u would of still been in the league

i would rather have everybody hate each other now and again when it comes to fantasy. If theres no heat then the leagues typically suck

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 02:58 PM
Nov 6 Helu will start at running back for Washington against San Francisco on Sunday, 49ers.com reports.


Recommendation: It's a surprising development in that there were previously no hints from coach Mike Shanahan that this would occur, but between Ryan Torain's weak showings of late and Shanahan's extensive history of acting on whims, the sense of surprise fades quickly in this case. Helu's numbers might not be especially strong against a tough San Francisco run defense, but it would probably take a rough performance for him not to keep the starting job beyond this game.
</P>




</P>




</P>


snickers
</P>


</P>


No one can explain what motivates Mike Shanahan to do anything. He has screwed up that entire team. Niether Helu or Torrain are worth having. I will dump Torrian this week.As I said last week, no one on the Washington offense is worth having in FF.</P>


But clearly youguessed right about Helu. He sucks less.</P>




140 total yards


</P>


He had one good game. I'm telling you he's no good, FF wise. That offense is a nightmare. If you want Ced Benson, let me know.</P>

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 02:58 PM
140 total yards


</P>


they were all receiving yards, dont lie. doesnt mean he ran good at all lol

both suck...just be honest.

maybe both would be decent if they played for someone other than ****tahan.</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:00 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</P>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</P>




how did we do that

and i say lies! had we done the smaller bench u would of still been in the league

i would rather have everybody hate each other now and again when it comes to fantasy. If theres no heat then the leagues typically suck
</P>


Pizz is nuts. This **** is a blast.</P>


BTW Matt, can anyone on your team even walk?</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:01 PM
140 total yards


</p>


they were all receiving yards, dont lie. doesnt mean he ran good at all lol

both suck...just be honest.

maybe both would be decent if they played for someone other than ****tahan.</p>

hes still gonna be the main back

and go back to westbrooks main years. His receiving is what made him successful

Its okay, i'll accept your apologies about it, even yours Pizz

like i said - Torrain will not be the guy there. It was very simple to see that Torrain wouldn't be the guy there - u just chose to ignore it

the fact that Torrain had that good of a year and Shanahan still drafted a back mid rounds AND made a trade for Hightower?

THEN while Hightower was performing well he was still spelling series with Helu for NO reason. Shanahn loves him

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:03 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</p>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>




how did we do that

and i say lies! had we done the smaller bench u would of still been in the league

i would rather have everybody hate each other now and again when it comes to fantasy. If theres no heat then the leagues typically suck
</p>


Pizz is nuts. This **** is a blast.</p>


BTW Matt, can anyone on your team even walk?</p>

im worried about closing this week out tonight and then i'll worry tom.

Just happy I have plax ;)

He had a pretty good game yesterday too

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:03 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>

well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:07 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>

well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.


well luck has had its part too because we've def had some drops and tipped balls that WERENT intercepted this year

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:08 PM
I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.



You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>


</p>

Come on you've been in this thread for years, how have you not grown a thicker skin yet, you need to take some advice from the dude when we get all freaked out because of a trade.</p>

<u>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
</u></p>


</p>

ny06
11-07-2011, 03:09 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:10 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:11 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif

lol what a *****!

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:12 PM
I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.




You even made me quit my work league this year!</P>



</P>


Come on you've been in this thread for years, how have you not grown a thicker skin yet, you need to take some advice from the dude when we get all freaked out because of a trade.</P>


<U>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. </U></P>



</P>


</P>


I am now rooting for Matt tonight because his team is so bad now. Your team is good and needs to be beaten when possible.</P>


And yes, Pizz is a bit delicate, but he's all ours.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:13 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</p>

1) This change in your stance about throwing off your back foot, just further proves the madness of your theories

2) Hes not moving in the pocket by choice, its because our line has had more leaks than the Titanic this year

3) Thats how passing works, you throw it to where they are suppose to be. This whole throwing too early is stupid. You have to trust the WR will be where the WR is suppose to be.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:14 PM
I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.



You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>


</p>

Come on you've been in this thread for years, how have you not grown a thicker skin yet, you need to take some advice from the dude when we get all freaked out because of a trade.</p>

<u>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
</u></p>


</p>

excellent Dude reference

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.


well luck has had its part too because we've def had some drops and tipped balls that WERENT intercepted this year
</P>


I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</P>


Thats our QB!</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:14 PM
I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.




You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>



</p>


Come on you've been in this thread for years, how have you not grown a thicker skin yet, you need to take some advice from the dude when we get all freaked out because of a trade.</p>


<u>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. </u></p>



</p>


</p>


I am now rooting for Matt tonight because his team is so bad now. Your team is good and needs to be beaten when possible.</p>


And yes, Pizz is a bit delicate, but he's all ours.</p>

all both personalities of him

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</P>




1) This change in your stance about throwing off your back foot, just further proves the madness of your theories

2) Hes not moving in the pocket by choice, its because our line has had more leaks than the Titanic this year

3) Thats how passing works, you throw it to where they are suppose to be. This whole throwing too early is stupid. You have to trust the WR will be where the WR is suppose to be.
</P>


You will never find any post where I ever complained about Eli throwing off his back foot. Ever.</P>


In Eli's first year Phil Simms made the comment about having to throw off your back foot to play QB in the NFL, and as all of you know, to me...Phil Simms is God!!</P>

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:16 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</p>

No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 03:18 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</p>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</p>




how did we do that

and i say lies! had we done the smaller bench u would of still been in the league

i would rather have everybody hate each other now and again when it comes to fantasy. If theres no heat then the leagues typically suck
</p>


Pizz is nuts. This **** is a blast.</p>


BTW Matt, can anyone on your team even walk?</p>That was funny....but even with a team that can't walk he is killing me.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:19 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</P>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</P>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</P>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 03:21 PM
<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) and Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) will both be re-examined on Tuesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Giants coach Tom Coughlin said at his Monday press
conference that both were "improving," but that their initial status for
Week 10 won't be known until they're re-evaluated tomorrow. While
Bradshaw's return timetable remains up in the air, Nicks can tentatively
be expected to take the field against the 49ers.
</div>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:22 PM
this is a great league but I don't wanna be villified for making trades that I feel help my team...
Your trades are always with good intent in the long run. Seems like anytime you made a trade it ends up benefiting both in the long run. It just seems like you kind of dumped Andre but in a sense I can't blame you. He has done nothing for you for a while and you need to get someone in there who can help you make the dance. You are one of the best players in the league Shock and we can't lose both Canucks. It's fine man, we are all just so damn competitive to a fault. It's like B said a couple days ago...

This league is like the friendly at home poker game between friends that is never friendly. lol
</P>


I love all you guys, I really do....but you literally made me hate fantasy sports.

You even made me quit my work league this year!</P>




how did we do that

and i say lies! had we done the smaller bench u would of still been in the league

i would rather have everybody hate each other now and again when it comes to fantasy. If theres no heat then the leagues typically suck
</P>


Pizz is nuts. This **** is a blast.</P>


BTW Matt, can anyone on your team even walk?</P>


That was funny....but even with a team that can't walk he is killing me.
</P>


You just need to get some experience. trust me, you will blow past Matt next year. He's always at or near the bottom of our league, and will be this year too.</P>


He has a tendancy to aquire retired players and draft guys with nerve damage.</P>


Hahahahahaha!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:22 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</p>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</p>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</p>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</p>

Nicks is better than he was last year

Cruz is better than what Mario was last year

Mario is better than any 3rd WR we've ever had

Ballard may end up having a better year than SHOCKEY ever did, even under Fasselll

Now go to the depth guys that aren't getting love - Barden just stepped in and made some plays.

The difference is that this time last year we were signing Michael Clayton and Derek Hagan off the streets to come be our #2 and #3 WRs

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:23 PM
<DIV class=report>


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) and Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) will both be re-examined on Tuesday.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Giants coach Tom Coughlin said at his Monday press conference that both were "improving," but that their initial status for Week 10 won't be known until they're re-evaluated tomorrow. While Bradshaw's return timetable remains up in the air, Nicks can tentatively be expected to take the field against the 49ers. </DIV>


</P>


It doesn't matter because Eli is playing so much better.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 03:23 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif
He flinches like such a *****. That is so ****ing funny!!!

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</p>


Thats our QB!</p>

he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I refuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplates up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..WE are the ones being objective here.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
and not that this is another instance of Moorehead looking at the stats vs how Mario is actually played... wasn't yesterday like the 3rd deep ball that Manningham got PI'd with this year?

That will hurt the stat catagory

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</P>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</P>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</P>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</P>




Nicks is better than he was last year

Cruz is better than what Mario was last year

Mario is better than any 3rd WR we've ever had

Ballard may end up having a better year than SHOCKEY ever did, even under Fasselll

Now go to the depth guys that aren't getting love - Barden just stepped in and made some plays.

The difference is that this time last year we were signing Michael Clayton and Derek Hagan off the streets to come be our #2 and #3 WRs
</P>


We were healthy at WR through the first half of last season. Apples to apples, Eli is significantly better.</P>


Stop trying to drag my QB down Matt.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</p>


Thats our QB!</p>

he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.


30 TDs and career high comp % as well

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
Phil Simms is God!!
He said Ballard reminds him alot of Bavaro.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</P>


Thats our QB!</P>




he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I refuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplates up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..WE are the ones being objective here.
</P>


You quote stats and then tell me I focus on stats.</P>


You focus too much on stats. And its also poor salemanship. His stats are night and day better this year.</P>

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:26 PM
Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</p>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</p>

you can think that all you want, but you are over simplifying the situation, I'm gonna take my own advice and stop arguing with on this one for today though..or at least a while cause I have work to do...and you clearly won't listen to reason.

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:28 PM
You focus too much on stats. And its also poor salemanship. His stats are night and day better this year.</p>

lol coming from you that's rich....pot calling the kettle black much?

you may as well change your username to Izbo this year with the comments you've been making.

I'm quoting stats because that's the argument YOU are making, you are clearly just looking at stats and talking about how much better Eli is playing...because if you were actually basing it on watching him you would obviously have the same opinion on the topic as me and Matt...

you are forcing me to use statistics because it's the only thing you relate to apparently.....

STOP IT I HAVE WORK TO DO...!

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:28 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</p>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</p>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</p>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</p>




Nicks is better than he was last year

Cruz is better than what Mario was last year

Mario is better than any 3rd WR we've ever had

Ballard may end up having a better year than SHOCKEY ever did, even under Fasselll

Now go to the depth guys that aren't getting love - Barden just stepped in and made some plays.

The difference is that this time last year we were signing Michael Clayton and Derek Hagan off the streets to come be our #2 and #3 WRs
</p>


We were healthy at WR through the first half of last season. Apples to apples, Eli is significantly better.</p>


Stop trying to drag my QB down Matt.</p>

your the one thats not recognizing the level of play hes been giving us for years now. YOU SIR are dragging him down

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:28 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</P>


Thats our QB!</P>




he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.


30 TDs and career high comp % as well
</P>


You were saying something about my focusing on stats?</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Tony Gonzalez said after Sunday's blowout win over Indianapolis that he
believes Julio Jones can someday be the best receiver in the NFL.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Phil Simms is God!!
He said Ballard reminds him alot of Bavaro.


Peyton Manning said Simms couldn't hold a jock strap to Eli

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</P>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</P>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</P>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</P>




Nicks is better than he was last year

Cruz is better than what Mario was last year

Mario is better than any 3rd WR we've ever had

Ballard may end up having a better year than SHOCKEY ever did, even under Fasselll

Now go to the depth guys that aren't getting love - Barden just stepped in and made some plays.

The difference is that this time last year we were signing Michael Clayton and Derek Hagan off the streets to come be our #2 and #3 WRs
</P>


We were healthy at WR through the first half of last season. Apples to apples, Eli is significantly better.</P>


Stop trying to drag my QB down Matt.</P>




your the one thats not recognizing the level of play hes been giving us for years now. YOU SIR are dragging him down
</P>


Your the one who keeps saying that he's as bad as he was last year.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:30 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</p>


Thats our QB!</p>




he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.


30 TDs and career high comp % as well
</p>


You were saying something about my focusing on stats?</p>

i was correcting him

the truth is your only knocks are when plays go bad. You look at the bottom line and genericly apply blame to whatever the stats say. You DO NOT watch the game and make your judgements, because if u did u wouldn't take the stance you do

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




well not exactly..I do think there is a "marginal" improvement in his play, but Morehead keeps repeating that Eli "isn't making the same mistakes he was making last year" that I do not agree with....he still throws the ball from his back foot..he still throws into double coverage he still does all the things Morehead killed him for last year...with almost exactly the same frequency he did last year...I think the larger reason for the improved "results" this year is an increase in performance from his supporting cast...not so much luck.
</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish.</p>




No my opinion is that he was doing all the things you've just mentioned last year as well with about the same frequency...my opinion is that his supporting cast (namely his receivers) are making less mistakes which is improving HIS overall results (be it numbers wins rating what have you) it is also my opinion that because the results are much improved from last year you are attributing them to some "phantom" jump in his play....his play IS better...but that's a very small percentage of why his results are better this year...Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Manningham improving...running the right routes...not setting the football up for Defensive backs as if they were playing volleyball like this did last year has a lot more to do with the increased performance this year then the small incremental improvements to Eli's game which have been happening since we drafted him.
</p>


Manningham isn't playing as well as last season. The O line isn't as good. The running game isn't as good. I'll give you Victor Cruz but he has had problems running the right routes all season and until 6 weeks ago, hadn't caught a pass in the NFL.</p>


I'm sorry Daven, the real difference is Eli's play.</p>




Nicks is better than he was last year

Cruz is better than what Mario was last year

Mario is better than any 3rd WR we've ever had

Ballard may end up having a better year than SHOCKEY ever did, even under Fasselll

Now go to the depth guys that aren't getting love - Barden just stepped in and made some plays.

The difference is that this time last year we were signing Michael Clayton and Derek Hagan off the streets to come be our #2 and #3 WRs
</p>


We were healthy at WR through the first half of last season. Apples to apples, Eli is significantly better.</p>


Stop trying to drag my QB down Matt.</p>




your the one thats not recognizing the level of play hes been giving us for years now. YOU SIR are dragging him down
</p>


Your the one who keeps saying that he's as bad as he was last year.</p>

you will refer to him as THE GREAT ELI MANNING

whenever you mention him...

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Your the one who keeps saying that he's as bad as he was last year.</p>

you are the one suggesting he was "bad" last year...we are saying he is playing as good maybe even "a little bit" better then he was last year.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:33 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</P>


Thats our QB!</P>




he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.


30 TDs and career high comp % as well
</P>


You were saying something about my focusing on stats?</P>




i was correcting him

the truth is your only knocks are when plays go bad. You look at the bottom line and genericly apply blame to whatever the stats say. You DO NOT watch the game and make your judgements, because if u did u wouldn't take the stance you do
</P>


Maybe you can find even one reference I've made today about any stats. </P>


I'm waiting.....</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:36 PM
Tony Gonzalez said after Sunday's blowout win over Indianapolis that he
believes Julio Jones can someday be the best receiver in the NFL.

dude really is a freak

but I really don't think that they did themselves any favors. I mean honestly its hard to justify the trade still IMO. As nasty as he is, Roddy White has proven to be equally as nasty and all its done is take Roddy's numbers down. I dont feel like there has been a HUGE upgrade in their pass game to the extent that it makes tha ttrade okay. They could of got a guy like Constanzo, kept next years first round pick, and signed like Randy Moss or osmething like that.

Plenty of other way sthey could of went about it

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:36 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:38 PM
Its clear that this years MVP is Peyton Manning.

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 03:38 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>

That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:38 PM
I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</p>


Thats our QB!</p>




he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.


30 TDs and career high comp % as well
</p>


You were saying something about my focusing on stats?</p>




i was correcting him

the truth is your only knocks are when plays go bad. You look at the bottom line and genericly apply blame to whatever the stats say. You DO NOT watch the game and make your judgements, because if u did u wouldn't take the stance you do
</p>


Maybe you can find even one reference I've made today about any stats. </p>


I'm waiting.....</p>

okay- how bout the 15 times u've referenced last years turnovers on the QB (aka INTERCEPTIONS) and just flatly used that as your reasoning?

Interceptions are a stat in the NFL - maybe u were confused wtih that. Its okay I forgive you

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Eli: A Giant among men.</p>

It's eerie. Way too eerie.</p>

Giants-Patriots,
Super Bowl 42, fourth quarter, New England up 14-10, 1:15 to play,
third and five, Giants' 44. Eli Manning, pressured, looks downfield for
No. 85.</p>

Giants-Patriots, Sunday in Foxboro, fourth quarter,
New England up 20-17, 1:07 to play, third and 10, Giants' 39. Eli
Manning, pressured, looks downfield for No. 85.</p>

There's more.</p>

Super
Bowl 42: David Tyree hauls in the highly unlikely Velcro Catch with
Rodney Harrison in close coverage. Gain of 32. First and 10 at the
Patriots' 24. Fifty-nine seconds left, timeout Giants.</p>

Sunday
in Foxboro: Jake Ballard hauls in a one-handed catch, bending back with
Tracy White in close coverage. Gain of 28. First and 10 at the
Patriots' 33. Fifty-nine seconds left, clock running.</p>

And more.</p>

Super
Bowl 42: Four plays after the drive-saving Tyree catch, Manning coolly
finds Plaxico Burress in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown.
Giants by three, with 35 seconds left.</p>

Sunday in Foxboro:
Four plays after the drive-saving Ballard catch, Manning coolly finds
Ballard in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown. Giants by
four, with 15 seconds left.</p>

And finally ...</p>

Super
Bowl 42: After the Patriots return the kickoff 17 yards, Tom Brady
throws three desperation passes to no avail. The Giants upset New
England 17-14.</p>

Sunday in Foxboro: After the Patriots return
the kickoff 17 yards, Brady throws two desperation passes to no avail.
The Giants upset New England 24-20.</p>

"It's hard not to think
about it,'' Manning told me from the locker room, after his biggest
victory, all things considered, since that Super Bowl. "But in a way,
before then, it was the complete opposite. Last time, it was the
Patriots giving us the ball with three minutes left, up four. Today,
after we took the four-point lead with three minutes to go, we're
handing the ball to Tom Brady. And that's not a very good feeling.''</p>

He's
right. Four seasons ago, Brady threw a touchdown pass to Randy Moss
with 2:45 left to give New England a four-point lead. And Sunday,
Manning threw a touchdown pass to Mario Manningham with 3:07 remaining
to give the Giants a four-point lead.</p>

What made this Giant
drive so interesting -- and, in some ways, tougher for Manning -- is
that it came on the road instead of a neutral field, with noise and some
of his mainstays out, hurt. Two guys Manning never heard of 20 months
ago, Victor Cruz and Ballard, were his go-to receivers on this drive.
And to go to Ballard twice ... it shows not only how undervalued the
6-6, 275-pound Ballard was coming out of Ohio State after being a
blocking tight end and going undrafted, but also how adaptable and
user-friendly the excuse-free Manning is. </p>

The way he
managed his receivers on this drive, and the comfort he showed with all
of them, shows why Manning is such a terrific player (and why, wherever
he watched the game Sunday, the GM who dealt for him, Ernie Accorsi, had
to be nodding knowingly at his cool demeanor and laser accuracy) and
why it surprised no one with the Giants that he was seven of 11 with two
touchdown passes in the last seven minutes of the game.</p>

On
the throw to Ballard, Manning said it was a simple seam route and
Ballard got over the linebacker, White, and he thought there was a tiny
window to make the throw. What he didn't see was Patriot safety Patrick
Chung charging into the play almost the way Harrison did four years ago.
The ball was high, a smidge to Ballard's left, and he had to reach for
it awkwardly, bringing it in with one hand to the other. A great catch.
Not a Tyree catch, but what is?</p>

"Huge,'' Manning said. "Jake's got great hands. He made a great catch there.''</p>

Four
plays later, at the Patriot one, the Giants had a third-and-goal. No
timeouts left and 19 seconds to play. "You almost have to throw it
there,'' Manning said. "If you run, and you don't make it, then you run
your field goal unit on the field while you're unpiling, and it's chaos.
Their guys laying on our guys, untangling the pile. You might not get
the field goal off. So you've got to throw.''</p>

"You audible?'' I asked. "Or was it the called play you ran?''</p>

"No audible,'' he said. "Just a play-action, off the run. We sold it, and I saw Jake with a step on his guy.''</p>

Not
to dramatize the throw, but FOX had a camera in the corner of the end
zone focused on Manning's throw. There was no wavering. In the Super
Bowl, he had to place the ball deftly over a New England corner into
Burress' hands. Here, Manning had to rip it, and he did. It was a
perfect dart.</p>

Manning is not his brother, the precision
player and the prototype. But I believe Eli is a better clutch player
than Peyton. No knock on Peyton. But look at the moments Eli's had. His
2007 postseason is one of the best any quarterback has ever played,
winning three on the road (including beating Favre at Lambeau in
minus-18 weather) and then upsetting the 18-0 Patriots in the Super
Bowl. And Sunday, with 80- and 85-yard drives in the final seven minutes
to beat Bill Belichick and Brady.</p>

<font color="#0000FF">They don't make many like Eli Manning, and if you're a Giants' partisan, you've got to be thrilled he's yours.</font></p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/07/Week9/index.html#ixzz1d3BKtOxD
</div>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:39 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>

i guess espnboston.com doesn't use intercpetions as a stat?

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:46 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</P>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 03:47 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif
He flinches like such a *****. That is so ****ing funny!!!
hILARIOUS

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:49 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</p>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>

i already explained that to you

per usual you ignore the basic FACTS of that I gave you. And for most of that i didn't even need stats. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky. Hes still had dropped balls that went for tips in the air - they just haven't been intercepted

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 03:51 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</P>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</P>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 03:55 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</p>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</p>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</p>

true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 04:00 PM
Eli: A Giant among men.</p>

It's eerie. Way too eerie.</p>

Giants-Patriots,
Super Bowl 42, fourth quarter, New England up 14-10, 1:15 to play,
third and five, Giants' 44. Eli Manning, pressured, looks downfield for
No. 85.</p>

Giants-Patriots, Sunday in Foxboro, fourth quarter,
New England up 20-17, 1:07 to play, third and 10, Giants' 39. Eli
Manning, pressured, looks downfield for No. 85.</p>

There's more.</p>

Super
Bowl 42: David Tyree hauls in the highly unlikely Velcro Catch with
Rodney Harrison in close coverage. Gain of 32. First and 10 at the
Patriots' 24. Fifty-nine seconds left, timeout Giants.</p>

Sunday
in Foxboro: Jake Ballard hauls in a one-handed catch, bending back with
Tracy White in close coverage. Gain of 28. First and 10 at the
Patriots' 33. Fifty-nine seconds left, clock running.</p>

And more.</p>

Super
Bowl 42: Four plays after the drive-saving Tyree catch, Manning coolly
finds Plaxico Burress in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown.
Giants by three, with 35 seconds left.</p>

Sunday in Foxboro:
Four plays after the drive-saving Ballard catch, Manning coolly finds
Ballard in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown. Giants by
four, with 15 seconds left.</p>

And finally ...</p>

Super
Bowl 42: After the Patriots return the kickoff 17 yards, Tom Brady
throws three desperation passes to no avail. The Giants upset New
England 17-14.</p>

Sunday in Foxboro: After the Patriots return
the kickoff 17 yards, Brady throws two desperation passes to no avail.
The Giants upset New England 24-20.</p>

"It's hard not to think
about it,'' Manning told me from the locker room, after his biggest
victory, all things considered, since that Super Bowl. "But in a way,
before then, it was the complete opposite. Last time, it was the
Patriots giving us the ball with three minutes left, up four. Today,
after we took the four-point lead with three minutes to go, we're
handing the ball to Tom Brady. And that's not a very good feeling.''</p>

He's
right. Four seasons ago, Brady threw a touchdown pass to Randy Moss
with 2:45 left to give New England a four-point lead. And Sunday,
Manning threw a touchdown pass to Mario Manningham with 3:07 remaining
to give the Giants a four-point lead.</p>

What made this Giant
drive so interesting -- and, in some ways, tougher for Manning -- is
that it came on the road instead of a neutral field, with noise and some
of his mainstays out, hurt. Two guys Manning never heard of 20 months
ago, Victor Cruz and Ballard, were his go-to receivers on this drive.
And to go to Ballard twice ... it shows not only how undervalued the
6-6, 275-pound Ballard was coming out of Ohio State after being a
blocking tight end and going undrafted, but also how adaptable and
user-friendly the excuse-free Manning is. </p>

The way he
managed his receivers on this drive, and the comfort he showed with all
of them, shows why Manning is such a terrific player (and why, wherever
he watched the game Sunday, the GM who dealt for him, Ernie Accorsi, had
to be nodding knowingly at his cool demeanor and laser accuracy) and
why it surprised no one with the Giants that he was seven of 11 with two
touchdown passes in the last seven minutes of the game.</p>

On
the throw to Ballard, Manning said it was a simple seam route and
Ballard got over the linebacker, White, and he thought there was a tiny
window to make the throw. What he didn't see was Patriot safety Patrick
Chung charging into the play almost the way Harrison did four years ago.
The ball was high, a smidge to Ballard's left, and he had to reach for
it awkwardly, bringing it in with one hand to the other. A great catch.
Not a Tyree catch, but what is?</p>

"Huge,'' Manning said. "Jake's got great hands. He made a great catch there.''</p>

Four
plays later, at the Patriot one, the Giants had a third-and-goal. No
timeouts left and 19 seconds to play. "You almost have to throw it
there,'' Manning said. "If you run, and you don't make it, then you run
your field goal unit on the field while you're unpiling, and it's chaos.
Their guys laying on our guys, untangling the pile. You might not get
the field goal off. So you've got to throw.''</p>

"You audible?'' I asked. "Or was it the called play you ran?''</p>

"No audible,'' he said. "Just a play-action, off the run. We sold it, and I saw Jake with a step on his guy.''</p>

Not
to dramatize the throw, but FOX had a camera in the corner of the end
zone focused on Manning's throw. There was no wavering. In the Super
Bowl, he had to place the ball deftly over a New England corner into
Burress' hands. Here, Manning had to rip it, and he did. It was a
perfect dart.</p>

Manning is not his brother, the precision
player and the prototype. But I believe Eli is a better clutch player
than Peyton. No knock on Peyton. But look at the moments Eli's had. His
2007 postseason is one of the best any quarterback has ever played,
winning three on the road (including beating Favre at Lambeau in
minus-18 weather) and then upsetting the 18-0 Patriots in the Super
Bowl. And Sunday, with 80- and 85-yard drives in the final seven minutes
to beat Bill Belichick and Brady.</p>

<font color="#0000FF">They don't make many like Eli Manning, and if you're a Giants' partisan, you've got to be thrilled he's yours.</font></p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/07/Week9/index.html#ixzz1d3BKtOxD
</div>Great read-thanks Lando

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>

there is nothing wrong with the argument you make here except for it's not true when you watch him play, I'd love for it to be, but his movement in the pocket, his impulse to throw early and into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed has not improved substantially, it's pretty much at the same place it was last year, he hasn't seemed to be taking any more sacks or throwing the ball away any more then was evident last year and he hasn't been dumping it off in more situations.

The only reasonable explanation for why you "think" these things have happened (even though they haven't) is because you are looking at results (in one case statistics) and you are convincing yourself these improvements have taken place because it's the simplest solution (which yes is often the correct one) but in this case it's more complicated then that, my opinion is not that he has just been luckier this year (although he has been to some extent) it's that the players around him have improved, you refuse to believe that....but it only makes sense that young receivers like Nicks Manningham and Cruz will make large improvements there first couple years in the NFL and then their improvement will taper off...just like anything else, Eli is already close to as good as he's going to get he might get slightly better year to year...but the massive increase to the results you are noticing this year....that's coming from the team in general...not some massive or "significant" improvement in Eli's play.

I can reference Bowling as a parallel as I tend to sometimes since I could be a (and this is a fact not just something I'm saying I do qualify) Professional Bowler.

when I was just starting my average would jump every year, 140 to 170, next year was 170 to 190, nowadays...I'm going from 215-216 If that, the better you get the less room you have for improvement.

Nicks Manningham and Cruz are making "significant" Improvements...and in doing so it makes Eli "look" better since the results come from both sides combining, but Eli isn't not getting "much" better...and he wasn't "that" bad last year...if you actually watch him instead of just taking into account the results (like you do) then you would notice that.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 04:05 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</P>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</P>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>




true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
</P>


Another one of your stats?</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 04:07 PM
Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>




there is nothing wrong with the argument you make here except for it's not true when you watch him play, I'd love for it to be, but his movement in the pocket, his impulse to throw early and into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed has not improved substantially, it's pretty much at the same place it was last year, he hasn't seemed to be taking any more sacks or throwing the ball away any more then was evident last year and he hasn't been dumping it off in more situations.

The only reasonable explanation for why you "think" these things have happened (even though they haven't) is because you are looking at results (in one case statistics) and you are convincing yourself these improvements have taken place because it's the simplest solution (which yes is often the correct one) but in this case it's more complicated then that, my opinion is not that he has just been luckier this year (although he has been to some extent) it's that the players around him have improved, you refuse to believe that....but it only makes sense that young receivers like Nicks Manningham and Cruz will make large improvements there first couple years in the NFL and then their improvement will taper off...just like anything else, Eli is already close to as good as he's going to get he might get slightly better year to year...but the massive increase to the results you are noticing this year....that's coming from the team in general...not some massive or "significant" improvement in Eli's play.

I can reference Bowling as a parallel as I tend to sometimes since I could be a (and this is a fact not just something I'm saying I do qualify) Professional Bowler.

when I was just starting my average would jump every year, 140 to 170, next year was 170 to 190, nowadays...I'm going from 215-216 If that, the better you get the less room you have for improvement.

Nicks Manningham and Cruz are making "significant" Improvements...and in doing so it makes Eli "look" better since the results come from both sides combining, but Eli isn't not getting "much" better...and he wasn't "that" bad last year...if you actually watch him instead of just taking into account the results (like you do) then you would notice that.
</P>


Bull****. I told Matt at the Buffalo game that I had never seen Eli move that well in the pocket.</P>


The rest of your post is blather.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 04:09 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</p>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</p>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</p>




true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
</p>


Another one of your stats?</p>

yes to just **** on the only stat you argue that would semi help your argument.

Your disdain for the greatest QB to ever throw on the big blue uni is clear. Its sad to see you like this.

lttaylor56
11-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Ever see Bellicheck write on that little pad of his after each play? Last night he scribbled: <font color="#0000FF" size="6">"The New York Giant's Own The Patriots"</font>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 04:10 PM
Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>




there is nothing wrong with the argument you make here except for it's not true when you watch him play, I'd love for it to be, but his movement in the pocket, his impulse to throw early and into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed has not improved substantially, it's pretty much at the same place it was last year, he hasn't seemed to be taking any more sacks or throwing the ball away any more then was evident last year and he hasn't been dumping it off in more situations.

The only reasonable explanation for why you "think" these things have happened (even though they haven't) is because you are looking at results (in one case statistics) and you are convincing yourself these improvements have taken place because it's the simplest solution (which yes is often the correct one) but in this case it's more complicated then that, my opinion is not that he has just been luckier this year (although he has been to some extent) it's that the players around him have improved, you refuse to believe that....but it only makes sense that young receivers like Nicks Manningham and Cruz will make large improvements there first couple years in the NFL and then their improvement will taper off...just like anything else, Eli is already close to as good as he's going to get he might get slightly better year to year...but the massive increase to the results you are noticing this year....that's coming from the team in general...not some massive or "significant" improvement in Eli's play.

I can reference Bowling as a parallel as I tend to sometimes since I could be a (and this is a fact not just something I'm saying I do qualify) Professional Bowler.

when I was just starting my average would jump every year, 140 to 170, next year was 170 to 190, nowadays...I'm going from 215-216 If that, the better you get the less room you have for improvement.

Nicks Manningham and Cruz are making "significant" Improvements...and in doing so it makes Eli "look" better since the results come from both sides combining, but Eli isn't not getting "much" better...and he wasn't "that" bad last year...if you actually watch him instead of just taking into account the results (like you do) then you would notice that.
</p>


Bull****. I told Matt at the Buffalo game that I had never seen Eli move that well in the pocket.</p>


The rest of your post is blather.</p>


You did and you were right - hes never HAD to move like that though.

Its not his choice. Im sure if he could, he would sit in the pocket and stand there and never move if he could, but the line won't let him

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Bull****. I told Matt at the Buffalo game that I had never seen Eli move that well in the pocket.</p>


The rest of your post is blather.</p>

Blather or the Truth, what did I say at the end of the buffalo game when you asked me how Eli played..

I believe it was something like "Meh...ok" or "not so good...."

you are "seeing" what your mind is telling you has to be there to fit into a close minded view of the situation, you are unable to be objective.

What you are seeing (or not seeing) has always been there...nothing has changed on the Eli front, at least nothing significant....but you can't imagine any other reason for the results to be what they are so you are tricking yourself into believing something that's not true.

it's ok Morehead...we are all human and we all do this on a daily basis.

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Its clear that I am this years IZBO

+1

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 04:32 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</P>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</P>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>




true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
</P>


Another one of your stats?</P>




yes to just **** on the only stat you argue that would semi help your argument.

Your disdain for the greatest QB to ever throw on the big blue uni is clear. Its sad to see you like this.
</P>


Its a lie!!</P>


I love Phil Simms.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-07-2011, 04:35 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</p>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


</p>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


I call that "significant improvement"</p>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</p>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</p>




true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
</p>


Another one of your stats?</p>




yes to just **** on the only stat you argue that would semi help your argument.

Your disdain for the greatest QB to ever throw on the big blue uni is clear. Its sad to see you like this.
</p>


Its a lie!!</p>


I hate Eli Manning
</p>

i know you do, i know you do. But he'll be here for the next 9 years and win 2 more superbowls so you'll just HAVE to deal with it

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 04:36 PM
In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>




That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
</P>


Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


</P>


Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


I call that "significant improvement"</P>


Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>






. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
</P>


Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>




true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
</P>


Another one of your stats?</P>




yes to just **** on the only stat you argue that would semi help your argument.

Your disdain for the greatest QB to ever throw on the big blue uni is clear. Its sad to see you like this.
</P>


Its a lie!!</P>


I hate Eli Manning
</P>




i know you do, i know you do. But he'll be here for the next 9 years and win 2 more superbowls so you'll just HAVE to deal with it
</P>


Its OK..I got you back on the Matt quoting thread.</P>

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 04:47 PM
Phil Simms you say?
Dont like stats you say?!</P>


Eli Manning is on pace to absolutely decimate everything Phil Simms did while playingfor the Giants. in 3 more seasons, he will have matched his WINS total, andtotal yardage. Next year he will pass his TD numbers.
Eli has a higher career completion% and a higher QBR.

Eli WILL easily be the best QB to ever don the blue jersey, and to think...this will only be his 7th full season.</P>

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Phil Simms you say?
Dont like stats you say?!</P>


Eli Manning is on pace to absolutely decimate everything Phil Simms did while playingfor the Giants. in 3 more seasons, he will have matched his WINS total, andtotal yardage. Next year he will pass his TD numbers.
Eli has a higher career completion% and a higher QBR.

Eli WILL easily be the best QB to ever don the blue jersey, and to think...this will only be his 7th full season.</P>


</P>


Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 04:54 PM
"I am a fighter, I fight where I am told and I win where I fight ...
George Patton ... Great win Giants, way to fight and win in Foxboro!''</p>

--
@NYG_J_Ballard85, Giants tight end Jake Ballard, who had a tremendous
catch on New York's winning drive at New England, then had the winning
touchdown reception, in the Giants' exhilarating 24-20 victory over the
Patriots.</p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
</div>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 04:59 PM
When the Rams scored four points in the third quarter Sunday, it was the first four-point quarter in the NFL's 92-year history.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
</div>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 05:00 PM
<div class="report">


Someone "familiar with the situation" tells
ESPN's Adam Schefter that Ahamd Bradshaw (foot) may play in Week 10, and
will "definitely be back soon."</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Giants coach Tom Coughlin would only allow at
his Monday press conference that Bradshaw was "improving," but it sounds
like there's a real chance he suits up against the 49ers' stout run
defense. He's set to be re-evaluated on Tuesday. If he can turn in at
least a limited practice Wednesday, it will be a great sign for his Week
10 status.
</div>

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 05:01 PM
Statistically ......yes. </p>


On the field......No.</p>

<span title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</span>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.

Morehead State
11-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>




<SPAN title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</SPAN>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</P>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</P>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</P>

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 05:23 PM
Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</p>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</p>

so that's where all this Eli hate comes from, look I love Phil Simms as well, that superbowl championship is one of my fondest childhood memories, but I am willing to let the title be passed on.

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 05:34 PM
Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/2011/11/07/the-nfls-most-disliked-players/)
reported Monday that Vick is the NFL's most disliked player, according
to a poll by Nielsen and E-Poll Market Research. Forbes.com reports that
60 percent of those polled picked said they "dislike," "dislike
somewhat," or "dislike a lot" the Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles) quarterback.

Second on the list was New York Jets (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets) receiver Plaxico Burress (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2139/plaxico-burress) at 56 percent, who also has returned from a prison stay, followed by Pittsburgh Steelers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers) quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger), who was accused of sexual assault last year but wasn't charged.</p>

New England Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots) defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/3543/albert-haynesworth), who disappointed with the Washington Redskins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins) after signing a $100 million contract before his trade to New England, came in at No. 4 at 46 percent and Chicago Bears (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears) quarterback Jay Cutler (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9597/jay-cutler),
who had his toughness questioned after leaving the last season's NFC
Championship Game early with an injury, finished fifth at 38 percent.</p>

The rest of the top 10: Patriots receiver Chad Ochocinco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2584/chad-ochocinco) (35 percent), Eagles backup QB Vince Young (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9589/vince-young) (32 percent), Oakland Raiders (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders) QB Carson Palmer (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4459/carson-palmer) (31 percent), Dallas Cowboys (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys) quarterback Tony Romo (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5209/tony-romo) and Carolina Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers) tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/3542/jeremy-shockey), who both were at 29 percent.</p>

lawl
11-07-2011, 05:36 PM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</P>


</P>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</P>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</P>


</P>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</P>



</P>



because he had less to work with and his interceptions REALLY weren't a telling story of how he performed. We leaned on him more, better comp %, 10 wins, and he lined us up to get into the playoffs and the defense blew it vs Philly

And while the defense completely blew in 09 and 10- i'd say Eli was not at his best during the two most important games that year which was CArolina and Minny.
</P>


Do you really believe the **** you type?</P>

DavenIII
11-07-2011, 05:36 PM
Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/2011/11/07/the-nfls-most-disliked-players/)
reported Monday that Vick is the NFL's most disliked player, according
to a poll by Nielsen and E-Poll Market Research. Forbes.com reports that
60 percent of those polled picked said they "dislike," "dislike
somewhat," or "dislike a lot" the Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles) quarterback.

Second on the list was New York Jets (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets) receiver Plaxico Burress (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2139/plaxico-burress) at 56 percent, who also has returned from a prison stay, followed by Pittsburgh Steelers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers) quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5536/ben-roethlisberger), who was accused of sexual assault last year but wasn't charged.</p>

New England Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots) defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/3543/albert-haynesworth), who disappointed with the Washington Redskins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins) after signing a $100 million contract before his trade to New England, came in at No. 4 at 46 percent and Chicago Bears (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears) quarterback Jay Cutler (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9597/jay-cutler),
who had his toughness questioned after leaving the last season's NFC
Championship Game early with an injury, finished fifth at 38 percent.</p>

The rest of the top 10: Patriots receiver Chad Ochocinco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2584/chad-ochocinco) (35 percent), Eagles backup QB Vince Young (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9589/vince-young) (32 percent), Oakland Raiders (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders) QB Carson Palmer (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4459/carson-palmer) (31 percent), Dallas Cowboys (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys) quarterback Tony Romo (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5209/tony-romo) and Carolina Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers) tight end Jeremy Shockey (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/3542/jeremy-shockey), who both were at 29 percent.</p>

Nothing about Ray Lewis or Dante Stallworth huh...

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 06:03 PM
<div class="report">


Although Andre Johnson (hamstring) turned in a
"good" workout on Monday, Texans coach Gary Kubiak is unsure if he'll
return to practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Johnson is reportedly "upbeat," but with the Texans
remaining noncommittal about his status, it's a good bet he'll remain
sidelined until after the team's Week 11 bye. His status will be updated
on Wednesday.
</div>

JPizzack
11-07-2011, 06:14 PM
Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>




<SPAN title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</SPAN>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</P>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</P>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</P>


</P>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</P>

bigblue4417
11-07-2011, 06:39 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/2bzl0h.gif

lawl
11-08-2011, 12:56 AM
This ****ing guy in TAGF is trying to tell me NE and Carolina have better WRs than us.</P>


</P>


Suck Eli off at all costs.</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 12:58 AM
This ****ing guy in TAGF is trying to tell me NE and Carolina have better WRs than us.</P>


</P>


Suck Eli off at all costs.</P>


</P>


You do fight the good fight Lawl.</P>


Always FIGHT THE POWER!!!!</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 08:54 AM
Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>




<SPAN title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</SPAN>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</P>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</P>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</P>


</P>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</P>


</P>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </P>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</P>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</P>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</P>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 09:23 AM
Statistically ......yes. </p>


On the field......No.</p>




<span title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</span>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</p>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</p>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</p>


</p>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</p>


</p>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </p>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</p>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</p>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</p>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</p>Well written MH. I'm gonna remain as partial as possible, just my opinion here. Foremost, foul on the fantasy football bench size-lol. I can agree that Simms did more with alot less talent and protection. Simms is a tough as nails sob, I can't believe the condition he is in present day. After the beating that he took, he should be handicapped. The stats are the stats and should be looked at deeper than just the numbers. You have to consider the year the stats are from and the variables that have changed in the league since that time.

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 09:25 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 09:26 AM
Awesome loss by Eagles puts them 3 games behind us. I think NYG can do it this year, but it just sucks that our rem. schedule is so tough. If it were even a hair less difficult, it could be a guarantee for the playoffs this year. That's ok-beat the best --- to be the best, we'll do it.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 09:31 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.Eli does get rocked--he doesn't appear very solid, he's so lanky, but he get's up after ever hit and keeps going. I like his confidence to wait and throw the pass knowing that he's going to get smashed as soon as he releases the ball.


JP-I want those extra rings for Eli and our team this year!

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 09:38 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.Eli does get rocked--he doesn't appear very solid, he's so lanky, but he get's up after ever hit and keeps going. I like his confidence to wait and throw the pass knowing that he's going to get smashed as soon as he releases the ball.


JP-I want those extra rings for Eli and our team this year!


</P>


CHyeeaaaaa!!!
Yea he's not solid, youre right, but that might be what prevents him from falling like a ton of bricks and potentially getting hurt. Who knows.
All I know, is that the streak doesn't lie about his ability to bounce back from getting rock how he does.
Think of all the QBs in the league, and how much time they've missed over the years. </P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 09:57 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.</P>


I'm not saying anything about Eli's toughness. I'm saying that Phil was one of the toughest football players I ever saw.</P>


I don't expect you to get it. Phil was the savior of our franchise. I went my first 14 years as a fan without a single playoff appearance. It was the Phil Simms led Giants that rose our franchise to greatness. No one performance compares to Phils in SB 21.</P>


And to correct the record, Phil has 2 rings. He led a team that started 10-0 in 1990 and got hurt against Buffalo in week 14. But was an important part of that SB team. They won it despite the fact that Phil got hurt.</P>


And the "books" can say one thing. The "books" usually go by stats. Like my comments on Eli play, I go by what I saw on the field.</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:00 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.Eli does get rocked--he doesn't appear very solid, he's so lanky, but he get's up after ever hit and keeps going. I like his confidence to wait and throw the pass knowing that he's going to get smashed as soon as he releases the ball.


JP-I want those extra rings for Eli and our team this year!


</P>


CHyeeaaaaa!!!
Yea he's not solid, youre right, but that might be what prevents him from falling like a ton of bricks and potentially getting hurt. Who knows.
All I know, is that the streak doesn't lie about his ability to bounce back from getting rock how he does.
Think of all the QBs in the league, and how much time they've missed over the years. </P>


</P>


QB's who stand tall in the pocket and take hits tend to get injured more. Look at Eli in that pick in the endzone. We can see why he doesn't get hurt. Don't get me wrong, anyone who plays QB in the NFL has to be tough, including Eli. But you would never seePhil ducking like that. BTW, Peyton does the same thing as Eli.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:02 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.Eli does get rocked--he doesn't appear very solid, he's so lanky, but he get's up after ever hit and keeps going. I like his confidence to wait and throw the pass knowing that he's going to get smashed as soon as he releases the ball.


JP-I want those extra rings for Eli and our team this year!


</p>


CHyeeaaaaa!!!
Yea he's not solid, youre right, but that might be what prevents him from falling like a ton of bricks and potentially getting hurt. Who knows.
All I know, is that the streak doesn't lie about his ability to bounce back from getting rock how he does.
Think of all the QBs in the league, and how much time they've missed over the years. </p>I know-very impressive about Eli. Remember the time the Jet's busted his head open and he needed stitches in that pre-season game in 2010? He missed the next week, but I guess pre-season was not included in the consecutive start streak.

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:07 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.</P>


I'm not saying anything about Eli's toughness. I'm saying that Phil was one of the toughest football players I ever saw.</P>


I don't expect you to get it. Phil was the savior of our franchise. I went my first 14 years as a fan without a single playoff appearance. It was the Phil Simms led Giants that rose our franchise to greatness. No one performance compares to Phils in SB 21.</P>


And to correct the record, Phil has 2 rings. He led a team that started 10-0 in 1990 and got hurt against Buffalo in week 14. But was an important part of that SB team. They won it despite the fact that Phil got hurt.</P>


And the "books" can say one thing. The "books" usually go by stats. Like my comments on Eli play, I go by what I saw on the field.</P>


</P>


"books" figuratively...
On a scale from 1 to awesome, Eli is the sh|t....</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:08 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.Eli does get rocked--he doesn't appear very solid, he's so lanky, but he get's up after ever hit and keeps going. I like his confidence to wait and throw the pass knowing that he's going to get smashed as soon as he releases the ball.


JP-I want those extra rings for Eli and our team this year!


</p>


CHyeeaaaaa!!!
Yea he's not solid, youre right, but that might be what prevents him from falling like a ton of bricks and potentially getting hurt. Who knows.
All I know, is that the streak doesn't lie about his ability to bounce back from getting rock how he does.
Think of all the QBs in the league, and how much time they've missed over the years. </p>


</p>


QB's who stand tall in the pocket and take hits tend to get injured more. Look at Eli in that pick in the endzone. We can see why he doesn't get hurt. Don't get me wrong, anyone who plays QB in the NFL has to be tough, including Eli. But you would never seePhil ducking like that. BTW, Peyton does the same thing as Eli.</p>I hate Brady but I think Brady is the best QB I have ever seen completing a pass when he knows that he is going to get smashed. It seems like most of the times he get's hit, the ball he just threw is caught for a td. He has NO fear at all.

Right--Hoss won the second the Super bowl 25 for us the year Simms got hurt. Simms was instrumental in that super bowl run

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:09 AM
I know-very impressive about Eli. Remember the time the Jet's busted his head open and he needed stitches in that pre-season game in 2010? He missed the next week, but I guess pre-season was not included in the consecutive start streak.
</P>


You mean when him and jacobs got hit and ran into each other? lmao
awful play.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:36 AM
I know-very impressive about Eli. Remember the time the Jet's busted his head open and he needed stitches in that pre-season game in 2010? He missed the next week, but I guess pre-season was not included in the consecutive start streak.
</p>


You mean when him and jacobs got hit and ran into each other? lmao
awful play.</p>Yeah-My hatred for the jet's shined thru, haha-I was blaming the jets for that.

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:39 AM
Matt and Daven are of the opinion that Eli is getting luckier this year and thats why his stats are pumped up.</p>


</p>


I guess it's better to be lucky than good.</p>




no the opinion is that hes improving every year and this year is no different

Eli had a MUCH better year than most give him credit for

BUT YES - luck has definitly played into it. Not so much as GOOD luck vs oppose to the BAD luck we had last year. Dropped balls for picks - thats a major swing. We've had dropped balls that tipped and we were just liucky they weren't picked off
</p>


</p>


how could you possibly say that eli played better in 2010 than he did in 2009</p>



</p>



because he had less to work with and his interceptions REALLY weren't a telling story of how he performed. We leaned on him more, better comp %, 10 wins, and he lined us up to get into the playoffs and the defense blew it vs Philly

And while the defense completely blew in 09 and 10- i'd say Eli was not at his best during the two most important games that year which was CArolina and Minny.
</p>


Do you really believe the **** you type?</p>

the beauty of it is that i don't really have to call it **** - more like facts

- Interceptions were an inflated stat due to tips
-completion percentage is a specific stat (which you can look up yourself junior)
-Did we not put up 30+ points and have a 3 TD lead with 8 minutes left in the Philly game
-did we not have 10 wins?
-Did Eli close the 09 season in a good way?

again - i'd love to know whats not factually correct. Im sure you'll go for interceptions and thats what it will boil down to for you - but your from Florida. I'd imagine the heat wears on your mind

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:40 AM
This ****ing guy in TAGF is trying to tell me NE and Carolina have better WRs than us.</p>


</p>


Suck Eli off at all costs.</p>

listen I don't apply the Manningbowl extremist to u, so don't do it to us

nobody in here would make that argument

infact part of my argument is that this may be the greatest WR core to ever put on a Giants uni

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Matt--Is Blondies team still active in our league? I thought you said something about that team on Friday, that made me think it was no longer active.

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:41 AM
Statistically ......yes. </p>


On the field......No.</p>




<span title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</span>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</p>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</p>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</p>


</p>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</p>


</p>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </p>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</p>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</p>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</p>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</p>

I agree but what if he totall demolishes all of Simms stats, which is essentially what hes on pace to do

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:43 AM
I'm not arguing any of those points....

But...

Eli WILL go down in the booksas a better QB than Simms. He already has as many rings. So, that's all the gauge I need right now. What will you say when Eli gets more rings?
And why question Eli's toughness? He gets rocked all the time, and he's never missed a game in his career, and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't play injured if it came down to it.</p>


I'm not saying anything about Eli's toughness. I'm saying that Phil was one of the toughest football players I ever saw.</p>


I don't expect you to get it. Phil was the savior of our franchise. I went my first 14 years as a fan without a single playoff appearance. It was the Phil Simms led Giants that rose our franchise to greatness. No one performance compares to Phils in SB 21.</p>


And to correct the record, Phil has 2 rings. He led a team that started 10-0 in 1990 and got hurt against Buffalo in week 14. But was an important part of that SB team. They won it despite the fact that Phil got hurt.</p>


And the "books" can say one thing. The "books" usually go by stats. Like my comments on Eli play, I go by what I saw on the field.</p>

i have a question to clarify how tough u consider Simms,

whose tougher: Simms or Farve

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:46 AM
Matt--Is Blondies team still active in our league? I thought you said something about that team on Friday, that made me think it was no longer active.


what you mean?

I mean - TECHNICALLY its active lol...

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:47 AM
</P>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:55 AM
Matt--Is Blondies team still active in our league? I thought you said something about that team on Friday, that made me think it was no longer active.


what you mean?

I mean - TECHNICALLY its active lol...
Haha --yeah lol- <font size="4">Lt's team sucks the worst</font>, you just leaving Hakeem's dream there to make me feel better. I hate FF--This week I score more pts than 4 other teams and I still come up like ****. ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 10:56 AM
smoking joe frazier past last night.

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:57 AM
Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>




<SPAN title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</SPAN>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
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Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</P>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</P>


</P>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</P>


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Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </P>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</P>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</P>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</P>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</P>




I agree but what if he totall demolishes all of Simms stats, which is essentially what hes on pace to do


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And Kery Collins smashed all of Johnny Unitas' stats too.</P>


Your point? Whoever has the best lifetime stats is the best player?</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:06 AM
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did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </p>

i actually don't even know

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:08 AM
Statistically ......yes. </p>


On the field......No.</p>




<span title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</span>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</p>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</p>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</p>


</p>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</p>


</p>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </p>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</p>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</p>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</p>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</p>




I agree but what if he totall demolishes all of Simms stats, which is essentially what hes on pace to do


</p>


And Kery Collins smashed all of Johnny Unitas' stats too.</p>


Your point? Whoever has the best lifetime stats is the best player?</p>

first off I agree that as the decades go on the game changes

BUT, lets not compare a QB from 60 years ago to a QB that retired lats week. I'd say that arguments sake a guy who retired in the 90s its pretty relevent to a a guy who was drafted in 03.

And no, i'm not say stats tell the complete story - but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli