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JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:16 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 10:19 AM
smoking joe frazier past last night.
ah dam

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:20 AM
Statistically ......yes. </P>


On the field......No.</P>




<SPAN title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</SPAN>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</P>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</P>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</P>


</P>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</P>


</P>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </P>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</P>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</P>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</P>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</P>




I agree but what if he totall demolishes all of Simms stats, which is essentially what hes on pace to do


</P>


And Kery Collins smashed all of Johnny Unitas' stats too.</P>


Your point? Whoever has the best lifetime stats is the best player?</P>




first off I agree that as the decades go on the game changes

BUT, lets not compare a QB from 60 years ago to a QB that retired lats week. I'd say that arguments sake a guy who retired in the 90s its pretty relevent to a a guy who was drafted in 03.

And no, i'm not say stats tell the complete story - but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


OK...Kerry Collins smashed all of Troy Aikman's stats. Is that better?</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:21 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 10:23 AM
Its clear that I am this years IZBO

+1
more like giggles with your eli arguments.

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:27 AM
Its clear that I am this years IZBO

+1
more like giggles with your eli arguments.
</P>


Spoken by a guy who rarely vetures out of the comfy confines of thee tread.</P>


I take it on while you hide here.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:29 AM
Statistically ......yes. </p>


On the field......No.</p>




<span title="Source:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones">"Much to learn, you still have."</span>

Eli is the leader of this team...and already the best QB to ever don the Blue Jersey...he has nothing left to prove, you are a hater and always will be for some reason.
</p>


Phil Simms is the greatest QB in Giants history and always will be.</p>


You are a hater of our beloved SB hero.</p>


</p>


So, when Eli surpasses Simms' win total, in a shorter amount of time....meaning...LED OUR TEAM TO MORE VICTORIES.....Simms is still better?
When Eli shatters all Simm's statistics in a shorter amount of time....Simms is still better? Completes a higher percent of passes....Simms is still better?

Ok, just checking, MH...

let us know when you come off your high, and admit that Eli will soon be the greatest Giant ever, especially when he wins 2 more rings.</p>


</p>


Do you even understand what Phil had to work with for most of his career? He had a horrific O line and got killed the first 6 or so years of his career. Even when they won a SB in 86 he had Brad Benson protecting his back side. And Brad Benson was terrible, Billy Ard at LG. His O line wasn't any good until they drafted Jumbo Elliot and Eric Moore. </p>


To my knowledge he is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards with no one catching 50 balls. And that was when you could maul WR's downfield.</p>


What Phil could have done with guys like Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham is staggering to me. He had Bavaro and that was it. And didn't really have him until 85.</p>


The bottom line is that Phil was just a better football player. Better arm, faster release, more mobile (especially early in his career), more willing to take a hit in order to make a play. He was stronger, a better leader and the toughest SOB you would ever want to meet. And he would never quit a FF league because the bench size was too big.</p>


I like Eli. He's a good football player. Makes a lot of nice throws and has great preparation. But to suggest thatas Eli's stats pass Phil's, he magically becomes a better football player than Phil is completely wrong.</p>




I agree but what if he totall demolishes all of Simms stats, which is essentially what hes on pace to do


</p>


And Kery Collins smashed all of Johnny Unitas' stats too.</p>


Your point? Whoever has the best lifetime stats is the best player?</p>




first off I agree that as the decades go on the game changes

BUT, lets not compare a QB from 60 years ago to a QB that retired lats week. I'd say that arguments sake a guy who retired in the 90s its pretty relevent to a a guy who was drafted in 03.

And no, i'm not say stats tell the complete story - but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


OK...Kerry Collins smashed all of Troy Aikman's stats. Is that better?</p>

by your response i see you struggling to come back wtih a qualifying answer. Its fine, i'll leave you alone on this

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 10:29 AM
Its clear that I am this years IZBO

+1
more like giggles with your eli arguments.
</p>


Spoken by a guy who rarely vetures out of the comfy confines of thee tread.</p>


I take it on while you hide here.</p>thats a lie. im in the trenches. whenever i ask you a legitimate question, you never answer or dance around the question.

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:30 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>

well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:35 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "greatest quarterbacks ever" cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 10:37 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>

you don't have to quote the stats that you are using to formulate your opinion, your arguments make it clear with or without you actually mentioning it.

It's become obvious from your comments that you are not interested in watching Eli actually play the game and making a decision based upon that, whether you want to admit it or not all you care about are the results of his play...not the actual play itself....which is FINE...but the fact that you won't admit it is frustrating.

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:41 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I didn't say that stats have no bearing. But they are only part of the story. And if you want to actually look at stats, at Eli's current rate, it will take many more pass attempts than Phil to match his passing total.</P>


And Eli has had Plaxico, Tiki, Nicks and Manningham. Phil had Earnest Gray, Phil Mconkey, Stephen Baker and Lionel Maunel.</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:42 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




you don't have to quote the stats that you are using to formulate your opinion, your arguments make it clear with or without you actually mentioning it.

It's become obvious from your comments that you are not interested in watching Eli actually play the game and making a decision based upon that, whether you want to admit it or not all you care about are the results of his play...not the actual play itself....which is FINE...but the fact that you won't admit it is frustrating.
</P>


So when I say that Eli is playing very well this season, based on what I see on the field...I'm wrong?</P>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 10:43 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:50 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I didn't say that stats have no bearing. But they are only part of the story. And if you want to actually look at stats, at Eli's current rate, it will take many more pass attempts than Phil to match his passing total.</p>


And Eli has had Plaxico, Tiki, Nicks and Manningham. Phil had Earnest Gray, Phil Mconkey, Stephen Baker and Lionel Maunel.</p>

47 less games started to this point and has 8000 less yards than simms, 28 less TDs to this point on a 1000 less attempts.

So in reality, 2 years form now Simm will have basically started a full season more, there will be a push in yards, Eli will have significantly more TDs, and push on attempts.

... and then he'll be 32 just probably at the height of his game

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:52 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?
</P>


In my view he didn't play long enough with us. Nor did Tarkenton. Both are in the HOF but much or most of their accomplishments were with other teams.</P>


Larry Czonka is in the Hall but he's not in the conversation about the best Giants RB's.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:53 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




you don't have to quote the stats that you are using to formulate your opinion, your arguments make it clear with or without you actually mentioning it.

It's become obvious from your comments that you are not interested in watching Eli actually play the game and making a decision based upon that, whether you want to admit it or not all you care about are the results of his play...not the actual play itself....which is FINE...but the fact that you won't admit it is frustrating.
</p>


So when I say that Eli is playing very well this season, based on what I see on the field...I'm wrong?</p>

in a sense you actually are since you think you see a huge difference ocmpared to last year. The stats look better this year - but the play does not look that much different. So basically you SAY its based on what u see on the field, but we know its not

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 10:54 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years

ny06
11-08-2011, 10:57 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?
</P>


4 years is not enough to be in the coversation. </P>


He did have a great 3 years though.</P>


Here's another guy who should be mentioned, Charlie Conerly ( not best all time Giant qb, but a good player for a long time)</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 10:57 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


You know the game isn't that much different than in YA's time. Yes the rules are a bit different but those guys could play. And I assume you were kiddingwith the "leatherhead" comment.</P>

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 10:59 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:03 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>


</P>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</P>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:03 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


You know the game isn't that much different than in YA's time. Yes the rules are a bit different but those guys could play. And I assume you were kiddingwith the "leatherhead" comment.</p>

we're black players in the NFL when Title played?

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:04 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</p>


</p>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</p>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</p>

to pass simms with what?

ny06
11-08-2011, 11:05 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


You know the game isn't that much different than in YA's time. Yes the rules are a bit different but those guys could play. And I assume you were kiddingwith the "leatherhead" comment.</P>




we're black players in the NFL when Title played?
</P>


lol yes!!!</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:05 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


You know the game isn't that much different than in YA's time. Yes the rules are a bit different but those guys could play. And I assume you were kiddingwith the "leatherhead" comment.</P>




we're black players in the NFL when Title played?
</P>


Yes but the Dutch were banned.</P>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 11:05 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


You know the game isn't that much different than in YA's time. Yes the rules are a bit different but those guys could play. And I assume you were kiddingwith the "leatherhead" comment.</p>ya was still balling
Y.A. Tittle was the first and one of only eight quarterbacks in NFL
history to have achieved consecutive 30-touchdown passing seasons. The others are brett favre, steve bartowski, dan fouts, dan marino, jeff garcia, dree brees and payton manning.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:08 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Helu is ready to take this starting job and run
with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000FF">Ryan Torain
will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this
kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck
content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The
fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of
the backfield.

LOL
</div>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:08 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>


</P>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</P>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</P>




to pass simms with what?
</P>


Passing yards</P>

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:09 AM
So when I say that Eli is playing very well this season, based on what I see on the field...I'm wrong?</p>

you keep mentioning things like not throwing into double coverage throwing the ball away more taking more sacks etc etc...

the things you bring up when you talk about what you see him doing differently then last season, he's doing those things with the same frequency this year as he was last year.

Yes you are wrong, you are not noticing that he's playing with pretty much the same amount of skill he was last year...he has not chanced much at all, the difference is his receivers are helping him, instead of hurting him like they were last year...that and yes, he's been marginally less unlucky this season.

what we don't like is that you opinion on how he played very rarely seems to have anything to do with how he played...it seems to follow exactly with what the results of any game where.

you can play a good game at QB and throw 4 interceptions in one game, you can make no mistakes and still end up with a 50% completion rating....being a good QB isn't good enough the TEAM needs to help you as well.....it's something you completely and utterly ignore at all costs.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:12 AM
</p>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </p>
No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:12 AM
So when I say that Eli is playing very well this season, based on what I see on the field...I'm wrong?</P>




you keep mentioning things like not throwing into double coverage throwing the ball away more taking more sacks etc etc...

the things you bring up when you talk about what you see him doing differently then last season, he's doing those things with the same frequency this year as he was last year.

Yes you are wrong, you are not noticing that he's playing with pretty much the same amount of skill he was last year...he has not chanced much at all, the difference is his receivers are helping him, instead of hurting him like they were last year...that and yes, he's been marginally less unlucky this season.

what we don't like is that you opinion on how he played very rarely seems to have anything to do with how he played...it seems to follow exactly with what the results of any game where.

you can play a good game at QB and throw 4 interceptions in one game, you can make no mistakes and still end up with a 50% completion rating....being a good QB isn't good enough the TEAM needs to help you as well.....it's something you completely and utterly ignore at all costs.
</P>


He's playing with the same skill but he's playing smarter. Its his decision making that has improved.</P>


You obviously don't have as much belief in Eli as I do. He can learn from his mistakes in my view. Clearly you think he's still doing the same dumb things.</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:13 AM
</P>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </P>



No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.
</P>


Who called the Bears win yesterday???</P>


Say it!......................SAY IT!!!!</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:16 AM
If you are going to compare Eli to Simms you have to take into consideration the changes in the league rules, their offensive weapons, o-line and everything else that would aid a Qb's production.

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:17 AM
He's playing with the same skill but he's playing smarter.

No, that's the thing, he's still making all the same "mistakes" you killed him for last year with the same frequency but because the results are better this year you are "claiming" incorrectly....that he's playing smarter and that's why the team is doing better.

is he playing better this year maybe a tiny bit better...but nothing like you claim.

Matt brought up the example before, the Ballard play.

3rd and long he throws it over the middle into double coverage and it's caught...

when I look at that play I say it's a good play...even if it was intercepted I can separate the "result" of the play and still say it was the right call...you are incapable of doing so.

you look at that play and because it was caught by Ballard it was a good play...but had it been intercepted you would have considered it a bone head move on Eli's part...and you KNOW that's true...you are results based...you don't care how "well" the ball was thrown, or what the coverage was...whether he was "ducking and chucking" you say you do but you don't the ONLY thing you look at is the results.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:17 AM
</p>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </p>



No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.
</p>


Who called the Bears win yesterday???</p>


Say it!......................SAY IT!!!!</p>That was a great game.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GAM4IQnOd8Y/TdFGhppHIJI/AAAAAAAAAD4/8YGCxMdA_UM/s1600/stop+it.jpeg

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:19 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Helu is ready to take this starting job and run
with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain
will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this
kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck
content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The
fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of
the backfield.

LOL
</div>

could I of been ANYMORE spot on?

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:21 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</p>


</p>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</p>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</p>




to pass simms with what?
</p>


Passing yards</p>

thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 11:21 AM
</P>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </P>



No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.
</P>


haha....srsly yo</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:22 AM
</p>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </p>



No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.
</p>


Who called the Bears win yesterday???</p>


Say it!......................SAY IT!!!!</p>

good call, happy you were right

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:22 AM
Who called the Bears win yesterday???


Say it!......................SAY IT!!!!</p>
Morehead Morehead Yaaaaaaaaaaay Morehead!!!

http://midway-monsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bears-cheerleader1-200x300.jpg

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:23 AM
If you are going to compare Eli to Simms you have to take into consideration the changes in the league rules, their offensive weapons, o-line and everything else that would aid a Qb's production.


I agree and while the rules have softened for the WRs not to get leveled and they are extra sof ton the QBs today- that doens't effect the QBs stats directly.

They still have to make reads on more complex defenses with more complex twists vs 11 ATHLETES all over the field. Bigger, faster, stronger competition

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:24 AM
</p>


did blondie post tailgate pics yet? </p>



No, but hopefully she does it before Thee game next year.
</p>


haha....srsly yo</p>
She has told me she would do it about 4 or 5 times now but I don't want to annoy her anymore. Just pray and it will happen.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:25 AM
http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-apparently.jpg

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:25 AM
<div class="report">


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve
Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday
night against San Diego.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did
not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is
expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the
Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone
out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October
23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20,
giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time.
</div>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:28 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Helu is ready to take this starting job and run
with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain
will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this
kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck
content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The
fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of
the backfield.

LOL
</div>

could I of been ANYMORE spot on?

Nope!

http://www.firstgearcollector.com/406%20spot%20on%20yellow.jpg

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:28 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Helu is ready to take this starting job and run
with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain
will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this
kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck
content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The
fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of
the backfield.

LOL
</div>

could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:28 AM
<div class="report">


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve
Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday
night against San Diego.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did
not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is
expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the
Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone
out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October
23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20,
giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time.
</div>Do the Thursday night games effect the gmb league in any way?

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:30 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>


</P>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</P>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</P>




to pass simms with what?
</P>


Passing yards</P>




thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career
</P>


Phil averaged 7.2 yards per attempt. Eli is averaging 6.9.</P>


Do they teach math in the New Jersey school system? Thank God Chris Christie is there now.</P>


Hahahahaha!!</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:30 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>


</P>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</P>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</P>




to pass simms with what?
</P>


Passing yards</P>




thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career
</P>


Phil averaged 7.2 yards per attempt. Eli is averaging 6.9.</P>


Do they teach math in the New Jersey school system? Thank God Chris Christie is there now.</P>


Hahahahaha!!</P>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:30 AM
Do the Thursday night games effect the gmb league in any way?

Oh yeah LT. If you have any Chargers or Raiders they go on Thursday night. Check Morehead's team. It gets fun when we get the Thurs and Sat games cause you have to decide and get your lineup set before Thursday if you have those players who play in the games. If not you just set your line up as normal.

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 11:31 AM
<DIV class=report>


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Helu is ready to take this starting job and run with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <FONT color=#0000ff>Ryan Torain will only come on when the rookie gets tired</FONT>, so we can expect this kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of the backfield.

LOL
</DIV>




could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.
</P>


he definitely did this it was Hightower.
prior to the season, he said he drafted Hightower in multiple leagues and said that he was very high on him this year. lol</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:31 AM
http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-anticipation.jpg

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:32 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Helu is ready to take this starting job and run
with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain
will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this
kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck
content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The
fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of
the backfield.

LOL
</div>

could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.


somebody let this fool know

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:33 AM
<div class="report">


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve
Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday
night against San Diego.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did
not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is
expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the
Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone
out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October
23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20,
giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time.
</div>Do the Thursday night games effect the gmb league in any way?


yea whoever is playing in the game it will count for tha tweek

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:34 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</p>


</p>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</p>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</p>




to pass simms with what?
</p>


Passing yards</p>




thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career
</p>


Phil averaged 7.2 yards per attempt. Eli is averaging 6.9.</p>


Do they teach math in the New Jersey school system? Thank God Chris Christie is there now.</p>


Hahahahaha!!</p>

no but they def teach reading comprehension and you said PASSING YARDS not YARDS PER ATTEMPT

wicked fail boston boy

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:35 AM
If you are going to compare Eli to Simms you have to take into consideration the changes in the league rules, their offensive weapons, o-line and everything else that would aid a Qb's production.


I agree and while the rules have softened for the WRs not to get leveled and they are extra sof ton the QBs today- that doens't effect the QBs stats directly.

They still have to make reads on more complex defenses with more complex twists vs 11 ATHLETES all over the field. Bigger, faster, stronger competition
</P>


Oh Matt.... Really now.</P>


You can't touch a QB any more. When Phil played you could take two step, club him in the head and then plant him into the ground.</P>


The entirety of the NFL rules changes over the past 15 years have been designed to enhance the passing game and protect the QB.</P>


You know this, but your agenda with not allow you to admit it.....Even to yourself.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:35 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p></div>
<div class="impact">Helu is ready to take this starting job and run with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of the backfield.

LOL
</div>




could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.
</p>


he definitely did this it was Hightower.
prior to the season, he said he drafted Hightower in multiple leagues and said that he was very high on him this year. lol</p>

lol I wa sall over Hightower and when he went down i said Shanahan loves Helu and Torrain is nothing...

if Hightower was healthy, he'd still be the man and both of them would be backups but Helu would be hawking series away from him

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 11:36 AM
http://media.techworld.com/cmsdata/news/3213248/chucknorris.jpg</p>


"The Giants are the real deal and if you don't believe me...well..I will
round house kick your soul out of your chest..."</p>


</p>


</p>

thats real by the way. lol
</p>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:37 AM
If you are going to compare Eli to Simms you have to take into consideration the changes in the league rules, their offensive weapons, o-line and everything else that would aid a Qb's production.


I agree and while the rules have softened for the WRs not to get leveled and they are extra sof ton the QBs today- that doens't effect the QBs stats directly.

They still have to make reads on more complex defenses with more complex twists vs 11 ATHLETES all over the field. Bigger, faster, stronger competition
</p>


Oh Matt.... Really now.</p>


You can't touch a QB any more. When Phil played you could take two step, club him in the head and then plant him into the ground.</p>


The entirety of the NFL rules changes over the past 15 years have been designed to enhance the passing game and protect the QB.</p>


You know this, but your agenda with not allow you to admit it.....Even to yourself.</p>

or they get flagged. QBs still get hit. Granted not as much, but stop acting like its two hand touch. The problem is with the flags being thrown on legal hits not that defensive players are pullin gup because they don't want to be hit.

It was harder physically to play football then, harder mentally now.

u never answered: Whose tougher Farve or Simms

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:37 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</P>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</P>


</P>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</P>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</P>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</P>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<U>greatest quarterbacks ever"</U> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</P>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</P>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</P>


</P>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</P>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</P>




to pass simms with what?
</P>


Passing yards</P>




thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career
</P>


Phil averaged 7.2 yards per attempt. Eli is averaging 6.9.</P>


Do they teach math in the New Jersey school system? Thank God Chris Christie is there now.</P>


Hahahahaha!!</P>




no but they def teach reading comprehension and you said PASSING YARDS not YARDS PER ATTEMPT

wicked fail boston boy
</P>


Uh...Matt? Are you OK man? </P>


I said it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil in yards. You said that it wasn't true. Yards per attempt is the only stat relevant to that.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:38 AM
Do the Thursday night games effect the gmb league in any way?

Oh yeah LT. If you have any Chargers or Raiders they go on Thursday night. Check Morehead's team. It gets fun when we get the Thurs and Sat games cause you have to decide and get your lineup set before Thursday if you have those players who play in the games. If not you just set your line up as normal.
You da man! Thanks

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:41 AM
Nugget from new NFL CBA:

Franchise Tag calculation no longer top 5
salaries of prior year; now top 5 salaries of prior 5 years!

Lower #s.

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:41 AM
http://media.techworld.com/cmsdata/news/3213248/chucknorris.jpg</p>


"The Giants are the real deal and if you don't believe me...well..I will
round house kick your soul out of your chest..."</p>


</p>


</p>

thats real by the way. lol
</p>lol-My wife's cousin fought Chuck Norris in competition. Norris beat him, but it went the distance

http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-your_Husband.jpg

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:42 AM
but I am saying the whole "MOOREHEAD WATCHED THE GAMES AND THATS HOW HE KNOWS" argument has really taken a beating with your most recent stances on Eli
</p>


yea....i realized that with last winter's Larry Bird debate. lol</p>


</p>


Show me where I have said anything like that in this debate.</p>


Until then, you have no leg to stand on.</p>




well actually isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing though? You just tried to say stats had no bearing on it...

Its all based on what you watch out of Simms and Eli. You say Simms lack of stats don't tell the story and Eli's awesome stats don't tell the story....
</p>


I dont really feel the need to justify continuing this debate really, i mean I GUESS i know where he's coming from sometimes, because like last winter's debate, i know NOBODY is nearly as good as michael jordan, and likely ppl will only come close....
But it's not like we're discussing "<u>greatest quarterbacks ever"</u> cuz Simms isnt near that list obviously.</p>


were arguing greatest giants qb ever.

ill throw monkey wrench in here. what about tittle?


two things make Title not even allowed in the convo:

1) I just can't bring Leatherheads into the convo. It was a COMPLETE different game then

2) He was only a Giant for 4 years
</p>


I feel like Manning and Simms are the only 2 qualified people in the debate due to the tenure at their position, and on this team.
Simms right now, yes....but considering Eli has plenttttyyyy of years left in the tank, Simms will be a distant 2nd by the end of Eli's career.</p>


</p>


But it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil. With far superior weapons and favorable rules.</p>


Phil retired with an all time great 7.2 yards per attempt in his career. One of the highest of alltime. Parcells used to say that YPA is the best way to guage a QB's effectiveness.</p>




to pass simms with what?
</p>


Passing yards</p>




thats actually not true - i already pulled the stats out for you. If he goes on pace the way hes been it will be a push yards and attempts. Only difference is that Eli will still be 32 and that was for Simms whole career
</p>


Phil averaged 7.2 yards per attempt. Eli is averaging 6.9.</p>


Do they teach math in the New Jersey school system? Thank God Chris Christie is there now.</p>


Hahahahaha!!</p>




no but they def teach reading comprehension and you said PASSING YARDS not YARDS PER ATTEMPT

wicked fail boston boy
</p>


Uh...Matt? Are you OK man? </p>


I said it will take Eli more attempts to pass Phil in yards. You said that it wasn't true. Yards per attempt is the only stat relevant to that.</p>

ah brain fart for a half second

but even still - my original response holds true, if he Eli stays on the pace hes been throwing the past 2.5 years for the next 2 years he will push. He will also be 32 by the time that happens and have played a full season less of starts compared to Simms whole career.

2009 7.9
2010 7.4
2011 8.5

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 11:42 AM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</P>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</P>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</P>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</P>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 11:43 AM
http://media.techworld.com/cmsdata/news/3213248/chucknorris.jpg</p>


"The Giants are the real deal and if you don't believe me...well..I will
round house kick your soul out of your chest..."</p>


</p>


</p>

thats real by the way. lol
</p>lol-My wife's cousin fought Chuck Norris in competition. Norris beat him, but it went the distance

http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-your_Husband.jpg
lmao. hahahaha

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:47 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p></div>
<div class="impact">Helu is ready to take this starting job and run with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of the backfield.

LOL
</div>




could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.
</p>


he definitely did this it was Hightower.
prior to the season, he said he drafted Hightower in multiple leagues and said that he was very high on him this year. lol</p>

lol I wa sall over Hightower and when he went down i said Shanahan loves Helu and Torrain is nothing...

if Hightower was healthy, he'd still be the man and both of them would be backups but Helu would be hawking series away from him


if Hightower was still healthy Helu never would have gotten a chance, it would still be a split between the Hightower and Torrian (with the advantage to Torrain in carries)

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:47 AM
Did he or didn't he? I say nay

http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/katy-perry-justin-bieber.jpg

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:47 AM
John Lennon's tooth sold for $31,200 at auction. lol

How would it be to have that much money to blow....

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:50 AM
John Lennon's tooth sold for $31,200 at auction. lol

How would it be to have that much money to blow....
A REAL fan would have one of their teeth removed and put Lennon's in their mouth.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:50 AM
All that and you still lost. Sorry Beanie didn't come through for you. 45 more measly yards...

P.S. Please lose to me this week, thank you!

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:53 AM
Oh Matt.... Really now.</p>


You can't touch a QB any more. When Phil played you could take two step, club him in the head and then plant him into the ground.</p>


The entirety of the NFL rules changes over the past 15 years have been designed to enhance the passing game and protect the QB.</p>


You know this, but your agenda with not allow you to admit it.....Even to yourself.</p>

It's true, I will say the best receivers were probably better off with the older rules though, allowing receivers like todays Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson to "fight" with opposing DB's as the run down the field would be an advantage for the offense not defense.

On other thing, players are faster and bigger by far now then they were then....this makes the field "smaller" Simms could lead a receiver on a crossing pattern without worrying about a safety on the other side of the field making all the way there while the ball is in the air, it's something Eli has to worry about more then Simms had to, that said....<u>overall the game is definitely slanted towards making the passing game easier nowadays.</u>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</p>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</p>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</p>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</p>

your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 11:55 AM
All that and you still lost. Sorry Beanie didn't come through for you. 45 more measly yards...

P.S. Please lose to me this week, thank you!


I can't lose anymore at all...sorry...and matt needs to lose out...which is likely his team sucks now that he ripped off Shocks :)

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 11:56 AM
<h1 class="title"><a href="http://www.bontheball.com/2011/11/tig-ol-bitties-tuesday-mammoth-mammaries-27-pics/" rel="bookmark" title="Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday: Mammoth Mammaries (27 pics)">Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday:
</a></h1>I'm going to hell

<div class="entry">

http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg (http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-10-e1320653748833.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>


</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-27.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>



</p></div>

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 11:57 AM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw terrell suggs tear skip bayless a new one on first take

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 11:57 AM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</p>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</p>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</p>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</p>

your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

<u>Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise</u>
not bad for someone " who trips walking to the bathroom"

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:58 AM
<div class="report">


Roy Helu played on 64-of-67 offensive snaps in Sunday's loss to the 49ers.</p></div>
<div class="impact">Helu is ready to take this starting job and run with it. Coach Mike Shanahan is already on the record saying <font color="#0000ff">Ryan Torain will only come on when the rookie gets tired</font>, so we can expect this kind of monstrous snap count on a weekly basis. And with John Beck content to just check it down regularly, Helu has major PPR upside. The fourth-round pick is an exceptional route-runner and pass-catcher out of the backfield.

LOL
</div>




could I of been ANYMORE spot on?


Yeah...Hightower could have not been injured, you had no idea Helu was gonna take the job...neither did I but don't claim you did you thought it was Hightowers.
</p>


he definitely did this it was Hightower.
prior to the season, he said he drafted Hightower in multiple leagues and said that he was very high on him this year. lol</p>

lol I wa sall over Hightower and when he went down i said Shanahan loves Helu and Torrain is nothing...

if Hightower was healthy, he'd still be the man and both of them would be backups but Helu would be hawking series away from him


if Hightower was still healthy Helu never would have gotten a chance, it would still be a split between the Hightower and Torrian (with the advantage to Torrain in carries)


it was never between Torrain and Hightower. The only time Torrain got carries is when Hightower was out (fact). Helu has been taking series all year. It was only when Hightower went down did Helu's role have to increase.

1) I told you all Hightower would be the man - he was

2) Even when Hightower went down and Torrain had the ONE nice outing- i said Hightower would be the man when he got healthy - he was. Infact Torrain basically played 2 full games since hightower went down and still didn't out-carry him through Hightower coming back and playing one half

3) I told you all after Hightwoer went down for good, that it was Helu's job. It is.

3 for 3 junior

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 11:58 AM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw terrell suggs tear skip bayless a new one on first take

your the only one thats home from work lol, how u feelin?

what he say?

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 11:59 AM
All that and you still lost. Sorry Beanie didn't come through for you. 45 more measly yards...

P.S. Please lose to me this week, thank you!


I can't lose anymore at all...sorry...and matt needs to lose out...which is likely his team sucks now that he <font color="#0000FF" size="4">MMB'd</font> Shocks :)

Fixed that for ya...

Team Hammy might be in a lil trouble.

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 12:00 PM
<h1 class="title"><a href="http://www.bontheball.com/2011/11/tig-ol-bitties-tuesday-mammoth-mammaries-27-pics/" rel="bookmark" title="Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday: Mammoth Mammaries (27 pics)">Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday:
</a></h1>I'm going to hell

<div class="entry">

http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg (http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-10-e1320653748833.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>


</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-27.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>



</p></div>

hahaha i know that chick in the middle picture to the right

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 12:01 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw terrell suggs tear skip bayless a new one on first takethank god someone did. who was with him yesterday? that guy was a moron.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 12:01 PM
<div class="report">


Coach Jim Harbaugh expressed no concern Monday over Frank Gore's ankle sprain.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Gore turned his left ankle in the second
quarter of Sunday's win in Washington, but played through it without a
problem. "Talked to Frank (on Monday) and X-rays were good and Frank was
feeling good. He's feeling like Frank," Harbaugh said. We're expecting a
full complement of snaps as Gore goes for his sixth straight 100-yard
game against the Giants Sunday.
</div>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 12:02 PM
<h1 class="title"><a href="http://www.bontheball.com/2011/11/tig-ol-bitties-tuesday-mammoth-mammaries-27-pics/" rel="bookmark" title="Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday: Mammoth Mammaries (27 pics)">Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday:
</a></h1>I'm going to hell

<div class="entry">

http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg (http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-10-e1320653748833.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>


</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-27.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>



</p></div>im right behind you....

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 12:04 PM
<div class="report">


Coach Jim Harbaugh expressed no concern Monday over Frank Gore's ankle sprain.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Gore turned his left ankle in the second
quarter of Sunday's win in Washington, but played through it without a
problem. "Talked to Frank (on Monday) and X-rays were good and Frank was
feeling good. He's feeling like Frank," Harbaugh said. We're expecting a
full complement of snaps as Gore goes for his sixth straight 100-yard
game against the Giants Sunday.
</div>we need to run a more traditional 4-3 this week. gore will have a field day against nickle.

DavenIII
11-08-2011, 12:07 PM
it was never between Torrain and Hightower.

Yes it was, I have the PM if you want it, it was specificly between Torrain and Hightower....Torrain stole Hightowers job, Hightower was not getting it back...Helu stole it from both of them.

But seeing as it was always Hightower vs Torrain from the beginning I win, he got more carries, you are lucky you get to take the injury clause.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 12:10 PM
In a Sporting News poll of 111 players on 31 teams, Suh got by far the most votes in the question, “Who is the dirtiest player in the league? (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-11-08/midseason-player-poll-ndamukong-suh-voted-dirtiest-player-by-landslide)“</p>


Suh, the Lions’ second-year defensive tackle, got 36 votes, easily topping Steelers linebacker James Harrison (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/665/james-harrison), who got nine votes.</p>


Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4035/cortland-finnegan), who aspires to be the dirtiest player in the NFL (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/16/cortland-finnegan-aspires-to-be-the-nfls-dirtiest-player/), will have to settle for third-dirtiest: Finnegan got eight votes.</p>


Falcons tackle Tyson Clabo (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3095/tyson-clabo) got seven votes, Steelers receiver Hines Ward (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/701/hines-ward) got six, Dolphins guard Richie Incognito (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3291/richie-incognito) got four and Bears safety Brandon Meriweather (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4199/brandon-meriweather) got three.</p>


One thing to consider, however, is that when a player votes for
another player as “dirtiest in the league,” he’s not necessarily
offering an insult. Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5846/daryl-washington), for instance, voted for Suh and proceeded to say that he’d be honored to have Suh for a teammate.</p>


“Suh. I’m not necessarily saying dirty but just aggressive and
intense. I’m on the defensive side of the ball. I like the way he plays.
I wouldn’t mind having a guy like that in front of me,” Washington
said.</p>


So plenty of players agree that Suh is dirty. And some players like that about him.</p>

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 12:11 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw terrell suggs tear skip bayless a new one on first take

your the only one thats home from work lol, how u feelin?

what he say?
Yuup I'm home from work sick as a dog. Suggs prettu much shut skip down everytime he would try to bait suggs into saying assanine thngs. Bayless really is a crap journalist that gets no respect. Hopefully now everyone going up against skip watches this film on how to deal with this d-bag

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 12:16 PM
Please tell me I'm not the only one that saw terrell suggs tear skip bayless a new one on first take

your the only one thats home from work lol, how u feelin?

what he say?
Yuup I'm home from work sick as a dog. Suggs prettu much shut skip down everytime he would try to bait suggs into saying assanine thngs. Bayless really is a crap journalist that gets no respect. Hopefully now everyone going up against skip watches this film on how to deal with this d-bagthat black chick held her own against those two fools yesterday regarding "is eli elite"

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 12:16 PM
it was never between Torrain and Hightower.

Yes it was, I have the PM if you want it, it was specificly between Torrain and Hightower....Torrain stole Hightowers job, Hightower was not getting it back...Helu stole it from both of them.

But seeing as it was always Hightower vs Torrain from the beginning I win, he got more carries, you are lucky you get to take the injury clause.





yes i know - THAT was the dumb bet u made.... thats what YOU thought

but the reality of it is that the FIRST game that Torrain got in, Hightower injured his shoulder and didn't return and that was vs the rams

the following week Hightower suited up, but didn't play - BECAUSE OF THE INJURY vs the Eagles

Then Hightower came back VS THE PANTHERS and Torrain didn't get a touch and Hightower had 17 in the first half. Its also the game he went down for the year

you were just completely wrong and off - like I told you at the time

<div id="cp1_ctrlPlayerNews_rptBlurbs_floatingcontainer_10" style="width: 460px; float: left;">
<div class="report">


Redskins
coach Mike Shanahan said after Sunday's loss that Tim Hightower didn't
play against the Eagles because of his injured shoulder.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Hightower was questionable coming into the game, and ended up without a
touch while playing third fiddle, or "emergency back," behind Ryan
Torain and Roy Helu. Hightower didn't even play a snap. He's going to
be dropped in a lot of fantasy leagues this week, presumably, and for
good reason. Look for Torain and Helu to continue to lead the backfield
in Week 7 against Carolina.

-------
</div>
<div class="info">

<div class="clearboth"> </div><div id="cp1_ctrlPlayerNews_rptBlurbs_floatingcontainer_4" style="width: 460px; float: left;">
<div class="report">


Redskins coach Mike Shanahan revealed that Tim Hightower suffered a shoulder injury early in Sunday's win over St. Louis.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The extent is unknown. Shanahan also said Sunday night that Hightower
was banged up in practice last week, leading to more carries for Ryan
Torain. Hightower only carried the football once in the second half
against the Rams. We suspect the injury isn't serious, but it certainly
could affect his playing time. </div>
<div class="info">

<div class="clearboth"> </div>
<div class="source">Source: Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/quick-hits-fourth-quarter-penalties-as-damaging-as-interceptions/2011/10/03/gIQAqQCeIL_blog.html?wprss=football-insider)</div><div class="date">Oct 3 - 4:42 PM</div>
</div>
</div></div>
</div>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 12:26 PM
<div class="report">


Emmanuel Sanders underwent arthroscopic knee
surgery Monday and is expected to be sidelined "a couple of weeks,"
according to coach Mike Tomlin.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Knee scopes aren't major surgeries, but we'd be
surprised to see Sanders back before Week 12 or 13. For a guy that
relies on speed, it's a concern. Antonio Brown will remain the
every-down outside receiver opposite Mike Wallace, with Hines Ward
manning the slot. Brown's status as a high-upside WR3 continues
indefinitely.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 12:27 PM
<div class="report">


Emmanuel Sanders underwent arthroscopic knee
surgery Monday and is expected to be sidelined "a couple of weeks,"
according to coach Mike Tomlin.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Knee scopes aren't major surgeries, but we'd be
surprised to see Sanders back before Week 12 or 13. For a guy that
relies on speed, it's a concern. Antonio Brown will remain the
every-down outside receiver opposite Mike Wallace, with Hines Ward
manning the slot. Brown's status as a high-upside WR3 continues
indefinitely.
</div>

Brown was starting over Ward regardless if there were 2 or 3 WRs out on the field. Ward was only in over Brown in 2 WR sets in situational downs

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 12:28 PM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</P>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</P>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</P>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</P>




your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise
</P>


Not an unfair point but his raw numbers are very similar to Phil when he has had greater weapons and plays in a much passer friendly era.</P>

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 12:34 PM
<div class="report">


Emmanuel Sanders underwent arthroscopic knee
surgery Monday and is expected to be sidelined "a couple of weeks,"
according to coach Mike Tomlin.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Knee scopes aren't major surgeries, but we'd be
surprised to see Sanders back before Week 12 or 13. For a guy that
relies on speed, it's a concern. Antonio Brown will remain the
every-down outside receiver opposite Mike Wallace, with Hines Ward
manning the slot. Brown's status as a high-upside WR3 continues
indefinitely.
</div> well I guess ill be dropping sanders on my 1 team

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 12:35 PM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</p>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</p>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</p>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</p>




your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise
</p>


Not an unfair point but his raw numbers are very similar to Phil when he has had greater weapons and plays in a much passer friendly era.</p>

I just think thats juts not as true of a statement as you would suggest.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_year_by_year.htm

just a list of the passing leaders throughout time

I think there is ajump in passing obviously but I just don't think its anywhere near as severe as you suggest.

And plus your talking about spreading Simm's numbers out over an extra 5 seasons than it will take Eli..

shocknaweny
11-08-2011, 12:35 PM
Hey Utah offer sent....help a brotha' out ...lol

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 12:57 PM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</P>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</P>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</P>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</P>




your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise
</P>


Not an unfair point but his raw numbers are very similar to Phil when he has had greater weapons and plays in a much passer friendly era.</P>




I just think thats juts not as true of a statement as you would suggest.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_year_by_year.htm

just a list of the passing leaders throughout time

I think there is ajump in passing obviously but I just don't think its anywhere near as severe as you suggest.

And plus your talking about spreading Simm's numbers out over an extra 5 seasons than it will take Eli..

</P>


Thats because Phil tore up his knee in 80 and then again in 81. I was at that game which was a pre season game vs. the Jets. The fans cheered as he laid in the endzone. You think Eli has it tough with the fans. Then in 83 he got his hand stuck in Carl Hairston's facemask and dislocated his finger and missed that season. In his first injury free season in 1984 he threw for 4000 yards with ne O line and no WR's. Two years later he had the best SB in history. So he unfortunately missed most of the first 5 seasons of his career.</P>


But Phil was undeterred. Phil was resiliant. He overcame injuries and cruel fans to become the greatest QB in Giants history.</P>

shocknaweny
11-08-2011, 12:57 PM
<DIV class=report>


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday night against San Diego.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October 23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20, giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time. </DIV>


</P>


</P>


Hurray !!!!!!</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 01:02 PM
<DIV class=report>


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday night against San Diego.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October 23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20, giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time. </DIV>


</P>


</P>


Hurray !!!!!!</P>


</P>


Guess I'm going with Rivers this week at home vs. Oakland. Stafford is at the Bears.</P>

ny06
11-08-2011, 01:08 PM
<DIV class=report>


According to the Oakland Tribune's Steve Corkran, "chances are" Darren McFadden (foot) will not play on Thursday night against San Diego.</P></DIV>
<DIV class=impact>McFadden, who hasn't even resumed running, did not participate in Monday's Wednesday-like practice walkthrough and is expected to be replaced by Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones against the Chargers. According to Corkran, McFadden "still hasn't so much as gone out for a leisurely jog" since suffering a mid-foot sprain on October 23. After Thursday night, the Raiders' next game is on November 20, giving McFadden nearly a full month of off time. </DIV>


</P>


</P>


Hurray !!!!!!</P>


</P>


Guess I'm going with Rivers this week at home vs. Oakland. Stafford is at the Bears.</P>


</P>


Good choice. </P>


The Raiders defense made Tim Tebow look like a decent player last week. </P>


And that is like saying a 5th grader can throw in the NFL. </P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 01:11 PM
<h1 class="title"><a href="http://www.bontheball.com/2011/11/tig-ol-bitties-tuesday-mammoth-mammaries-27-pics/" rel="bookmark" title="Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday: Mammoth Mammaries (27 pics)">Tig Ol Bitties Tuesday:
</a></h1>I'm going to hell

<div class="entry">

http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg (http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cutie-with-jugs.jpeg)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-10-e1320653748833.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>


</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexy-top-heavy-women-27.jpg (http://thechive.com/2011/11/07/flbp-a-small-price-to-pay-for-top-heavy-splendor-36-photos/)</p>



</p></div>im right behind you....
Can she introduce me to the one on the left?

shocknaweny
11-08-2011, 01:12 PM
guess I am going with Jonathan Stewart and hope he vultures a touchdown cause nobody on my FF team feels like playing any football this season.</P>


R DMC can be had for the right price...I was offering DeSean Jackson and Ryan Matthews to Pats for Julio Jones and DeMarco Murray but I took it down.</P>


like to get somebody a little better than Murray for Darren McFadden but if anyone can think of a nice offer PM me.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 01:14 PM
guess I am going with Jonathan Stewart and hope he vultures a touchdown cause nobody on my FF team feels like playing any football this season.</p>


R DMC can be had for the right price...I was offering DeSean Jackson and Ryan Matthews to Pats for Julio Jones and DeMarco Murray but I took it down.</p>


like to get somebody a little better than Murray for Darren McFadden but if anyone can think of a nice offer PM me.</p>

gotta be honest, u'd be lucky to get Murray for McFad right now. McFads return table is WAYYY too broad

shocknaweny
11-08-2011, 01:16 PM
guess I am going with Jonathan Stewart and hope he vultures a touchdown cause nobody on my FF team feels like playing any football this season.</P>


R DMC can be had for the right price...I was offering DeSean Jackson and Ryan Matthews to Pats for Julio Jones and DeMarco Murray but I took it down.</P>


like to get somebody a little better than Murray for Darren McFadden but if anyone can think of a nice offer PM me.</P>




gotta be honest, u'd be lucky to get Murray for McFad right now. McFads return table is WAYYY too broad
</P>


</P>


yeah likely .....**** I hate McFadden !</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 01:21 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites

shocknaweny
11-08-2011, 01:23 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites
</P>


</P>


Gay I hate Saturday nite games !!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 01:24 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites


i shouldn't say Sirius - i should of said half ****** half moron Adam Schien

who then went to say that Fox n NBC can protect a game and no way Fox lets us vs Pack go

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 01:25 PM
Phil had 33262 yards in 4647 attempts. Thats 7.2 yards/attempt.</p>


With Eli's current rate at 6.9 yards per attempt, he with reach 33460 yards with 4850 attempt. More than 200 more than Phil.</p>


All of this with relaxed rules for passing and with Eli having far superior weapons to work with.</p>


I couldn't even imagine what Phil could have done with Plaxico Burress for 5 years.</p>




your averaging his whole career and making the stupid assumption that he'll main tain his averages from like 04. We'll talk 1000 attempts from now and see where he is. I bet it will be at about a push and then he'll still be in the twilight of his career. It won't even be close

Simms never had to face defenses that are out there now. Granted he may not of had the weapons, but he also never developed any. He may of taken viciouis hits, but he also missed 75 games out of the 15 years he played.

Its not a knock on Eli that hes going to of played the same amount of games and throws as Simms in less than 2/3s the time it took Simm, its actually something to praise
</p>


Not an unfair point but his raw numbers are very similar to Phil when he has had greater weapons and plays in a much passer friendly era.</p>




I just think thats juts not as true of a statement as you would suggest.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_year_by_year.htm

just a list of the passing leaders throughout time

I think there is ajump in passing obviously but I just don't think its anywhere near as severe as you suggest.

And plus your talking about spreading Simm's numbers out over an extra 5 seasons than it will take Eli..

</p>


Thats because Phil tore up his knee in 80 and then again in 81. I was at that game which was a pre season game vs. the Jets. <u>The fans cheered as he laid in the endzone.</u> You think Eli has it tough with the fans. Then in 83 he got his hand stuck in Carl Hairston's facemask and dislocated his finger and missed that season. In his first injury free season in 1984 he threw for 4000 yards with ne O line and no WR's. Two years later he had the best SB in history. So he unfortunately missed most of the first 5 seasons of his career.</p>


But Phil was undeterred. Phil was resiliant. He overcame injuries and cruel fans to become the greatest QB in Giants history.</p>my dad ALWAYS says "haaa, you think eli has it bad??.." then starts rambling about simms.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 01:42 PM
<div class="report">


Giants C Adam Koets will reportedly be released Tuesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Koets signed a three-year deal just before tearing
his ACL last November. He ended up having a second operation in August
after complications developed. Koets apparently wasn't ready to resume
practicing this week. The Giants opted to let him go rather than
carrying him on the PUP list the rest of the way.
</div>

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 01:46 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites
</P>


NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!</P>


Giant should only play Sundays 1pm or 4pm est!!! that's it!!</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 01:54 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites


i shouldn't say Sirius - i should of said half ****** half moron Adam Schien

who then went to say that Fox n NBC can protect a game and no way Fox lets us vs Pack go


If it were to happen = they would bump us to the 8:20 game?

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 01:57 PM
I can see Fox moving us to a later time slot for the 1/1 Dallas game if there's playoff implications. We're scheduled for 1pm right now.

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 02:00 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 02:01 PM
PM

ny06
11-08-2011, 02:02 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>


</P>


I am not suprised. </P>


This guy has sucked since he signed that huge deal with the redskins. </P>


Now when will they cut ties with Chad whatever his last name is?</P>

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 02:02 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>


</P>


wow. after trading for him? nasty.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 02:04 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>


</p>


I am not suprised. </p>


This guy has sucked since he signed that huge deal with the redskins. </p>


Now when will they cut ties with Chad whatever his last name is?</p>lol- ocho sucko

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 02:04 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>


</p>


I am not suprised. </p>


This guy has sucked since he signed that huge deal with the redskins. </p>


Now when will they cut ties with Chad whatever his last name is?</p>yea chad not producing is weird. coe did a fantastic job on him.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 02:06 PM
It
will be interesting to see if Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn, who had
Haynesworth in Tennessee, will push for a waiver claim.

ny06
11-08-2011, 02:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn, who had Haynesworth in Tennessee, will push for a waiver claim.</P>


Let the Eagles have him. </P>


<SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg?w=300 (http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg)</SPAN></P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 02:10 PM
It will be interesting to see if Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn, who had Haynesworth in Tennessee, will push for a waiver claim.</p>


Let the Eagles have him. </p>


<span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg?w=300 (http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg)</span></p>The kid is quick with photoshop. ha

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 02:14 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>


</P>


wow. after trading for him? nasty.</P>
The guy is a total dumbass and sometimes a whiney beeyatch but when he's motivated he can really play

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:21 PM
NFL bounced Colts - Pats out of SNF week 13

us vs Packers is on a short list to get bumped. Sirius seems to think we're the favorites


i shouldn't say Sirius - i should of said half ****** half moron Adam Schien

who then went to say that Fox n NBC can protect a game and no way Fox lets us vs Pack go


If it were to happen = they would bump us to the 8:20 game?


yea

but its not looking good because Fox will probably look to save that game

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:21 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>

SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:22 PM
It will be interesting to see if Eagles DL coach Jim Washburn, who had Haynesworth in Tennessee, will push for a waiver claim.</p>


Let the Eagles have him. </p>


<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg?w=300 (http://www.albany.com/byesline/assets_c/2010/12/worthless2.jpg)</span></p>

i hate the Eagles getting anybody

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 02:25 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>

SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
yea he hasnt....canty hasnt looked like he did in the beginning of the season either. is kennedy the rookie? i know we have joseph too. if so dont cut him yet. lol "hes just a booyyee"

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:27 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>

SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
yea he hasnt....canty hasnt looked like he did in the beginning of the season either. is kennedy the rookie? i know we have joseph too. if so dont cut him yet. lol "hes just a booyyee"

na he was the dude from Minny last year

ny06
11-08-2011, 02:29 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</P>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</P>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </P>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 02:30 PM
<div class="report">


Jahvid Best (concussion) was held out of Lions practice on Tuesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Scheduled to meet with doctors undergo further
testing this week, Best has yet to be cleared for football activities.
Still without a timetable to return, Best is not expected to be active
against the Bears this week.
</div>

dezzzR
11-08-2011, 02:33 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</p>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</p>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </p>if reese can draw up something nice(of course he can) im down. canty and haynes? graaaaavy

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:34 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</p>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</p>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </p>

I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then

ny06
11-08-2011, 02:39 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</P>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</P>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </P>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</P>


I know it seems like a steal with Haynesworth on this defensive line. </P>


But remember he played in a 4-3 with the patriots, and still did not seem like the player of old. (Titans)</P>

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 02:40 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 02:44 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 02:46 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</P>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</P>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </P>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</P>


OMG Matt. Sometimes you're like one of those guys who starts posts every time someone gets released in the league.</P>


Let me just remind you of what youshould already know....</P>


There is not an instrument on earth that can measure the tinyness of the chances that we will sign Albert Hayensworth.</P>


The guy is done. Why do you not know this? Thats the story here. Its not that Haynseworth was cut. Its that there is a person out there who thinks he could help our team.</P>


And his name is Meyerbud.</P>

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 02:46 PM
<div class="report">


Jahvid Best (concussion) was held out of Lions practice on Tuesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Scheduled to meet with doctors undergo further
testing this week, Best has yet to be cleared for football activities.
Still without a timetable to return, Best is not expected to be active
against the Bears this week.
</div>Thanks for that. [Y]

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:47 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</p>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</p>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </p>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</p>


I know it seems like a steal with Haynesworth on this defensive line. </p>


But remember he played in a 4-3 with the patriots, and still did not seem like the player of old. (Titans)</p>

na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 02:48 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</P>


Not you too Kase! The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football. What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</P>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame. Matt has no excuse.</P>

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 02:50 PM
na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</P>


umm who cares....</P>


our DTs are meant to be run stoppers. And before this new england game, they have not really been doing that. I dont care about sacks from the interior really...
Just cause fat albert had that one season where he had all those sacks, doesnt mean that would be his main job or anything.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:50 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</p>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</p>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </p>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</p>


OMG Matt. Sometimes you're like one of those guys who starts posts every time someone gets released in the league.</p>


Let me just remind you of what youshould already know....</p>


There is not an instrument on earth that can measure the tinyness of the chances that we will sign Albert Hayensworth.</p>


The guy is done. Why do you not know this? Thats the story here. Its not that Haynseworth was cut. Its that there is a person out there who thinks he could help our team.</p>


And his name is Meyerbud.</p>

cutting Kennedy and getting a guy like Haynesworth who is still a VERY good pass rusher would only improve us. Canty, Bernard, and Jospeh have done a decent job with pressure but are more run guys.

I think Haynesworth could improve our passrush for cheap.

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 02:51 PM
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft='{"type":3}'>NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</SPAN></H6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</P>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</P>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </P>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</P>


I know it seems like a steal with Haynesworth on this defensive line. </P>


But remember he played in a 4-3 with the patriots, and still did not seem like the player of old. (Titans)</P>




na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</P>


So do I. What time are tryouts?</P>


Stop being a Matt.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:51 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</p>


Not you too Kase! The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football. What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</p>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame. Matt has no excuse.</p>

nopeee we wouldn't hav eto drop alot on him to get him, hes still a force vs the pass, and that means he'd be adding something to our DTs that we're not getting from them unless we drop Tolly and Tuck to DT

Kase-1
11-08-2011, 02:53 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</P>LOL

Blame it on me being sick... But I would def give fat albert a call, its not like he's gonna be fielding huge offers, hell you said it urself he wasn't that good this yr and was part of one of the nfls worst lines.

I just can't frget how he KILLED in tenn


Not you too Kase!** The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football.* What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</P>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame.* Matt has no excuse.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:53 PM
na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</p>


umm who cares....</p>


our DTs are meant to be run stoppers. And before this new england game, they have not really been doing that. I dont care about sacks from the interior really...
Just cause fat albert had that one season where he had all those sacks, doesnt mean that would be his main job or anything.</p>

actually pressure is just as good as sacks and he forces passes... replacing Kennedy with HAynesworth would be a major upgrade for us. I think it would be a great move

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:54 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody translationEligibleUserMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">NON GIANTS NEWS: New England Patriots (http://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatriots) have released Albert Haynesworth (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Albert-Haynesworth/105529719481538) #pats #ne #patriots</span></h6>




SIGN HIM UP!!!!

cut Kennedy who hasn't looked good IMO
</p>


You want a guy that 2 teams gave up on?</p>


It's clear his best years are behind him. </p>




I would LOVE to kick the tires out of older DLineman.

I wish we would of with Tommie Harris this year- Oaklan dis loving him

We tried to withKennedy, but IMO it ihasn't worked out.

HE got teabagged in Washington. Hes not a 3-4 player, bottom line. Hes a complete ****** and all of that but i think he could still excel here.

3rd and long Tuck - JPP - Haynesworth - Osi??? allllrighty then
</p>


I know it seems like a steal with Haynesworth on this defensive line. </p>


But remember he played in a 4-3 with the patriots, and still did not seem like the player of old. (Titans)</p>




na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</p>


So do I. What time are tryouts?</p>


Stop being a Matt.</p>

u have sacks in the NFL football league?

excellent

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 02:56 PM
<div class="report">


Jahvid Best (concussion) was held out of Lions practice on Tuesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Scheduled to meet with doctors undergo further
testing this week, Best has yet to be cleared for football activities.
Still without a timetable to return, Best is not expected to be active
against the Bears this week.
</div>Thanks for that. [Y]

Posted it just for you [;)]

lttaylor56
11-08-2011, 02:58 PM
na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</p>


umm who cares....</p>


our DTs are meant to be run stoppers. And before this new england game, they have not really been doing that. I dont care about sacks from the interior really...
Just cause fat albert had that one season where he had all those sacks, doesnt mean that would be his main job or anything.</p>Yeah--and all those sacks that one year lead me to believe that there was something else going on there...like much better caliber players on the defense.

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 02:59 PM
na hes not, but he also wasn't surrounded by the talent that we have either... I think he could make a difference. I mean NONE of our DTs have a sack this year. Completely situational

EDIT: I mean to say he has more sacks than all of our DTs put together
</p>


umm who cares....</p>


our DTs are meant to be run stoppers. And before this new england game, they have not really been doing that. I dont care about sacks from the interior really...
Just cause fat albert had that one season where he had all those sacks, doesnt mean that would be his main job or anything.</p>Yeah--and all those sacks that one year lead me to believe that there was something else going on there...like much better caliber players on the defense.


which is exactly what we have (in comparison to NE) and exactly why I want him

JPizzack
11-08-2011, 03:14 PM
I dont want anything to do with him.</P>


waste of far too much money...money that would be wiser to spend elsewhere.

Maybe Carolina will take him. they loooove those unnecessarily large contracts! lol</P>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 03:21 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</P>


Not you too Kase! The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football. What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</P>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame. Matt has no excuse.</P>




nopeee we wouldn't hav eto drop alot on him to get him, hes still a force vs the pass, and that means he'd be adding something to our DTs that we're not getting from them unless we drop Tolly and Tuck to DT
</P>


If he was still aforce vs the pass, don't you think Belichik would have kept him?</P>


Oh Right.....Matt knows what BB could never know.</P>


The only thing Haynseworth is a force in is eating.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-08-2011, 03:28 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</p>


Not you too Kase! The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football. What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</p>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame. Matt has no excuse.</p>




nopeee we wouldn't hav eto drop alot on him to get him, hes still a force vs the pass, and that means he'd be adding something to our DTs that we're not getting from them unless we drop Tolly and Tuck to DT
</p>


If he was still aforce vs the pass, don't you think Belichik would have kept him?</p>


Oh Right.....Matt knows what BB could never know.</p>


The only thing Haynseworth is a force in is eating.</p>

I guess Brandon Merriweather and Leigh Bodden can't play either, they were both starters that have been cut mid season this year

oh wait, Merriweather starts for the Bears now....

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 04:01 PM
<div class="report">


NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora reports Darren McFadden (foot) will sit out Thursday night's game against the Chargers</p>
</div>

The Raiders beat writers essentially had the
same report on Monday. McFadden hadn't graduated to running as of Monday
and has yet to practice since injuring his foot.

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 04:09 PM
The NFL will announce in a couple of weeks which game is moving into
the prime time slot for Week 13, which falls on Sunday, December 4.
Lions-Saints or Bengals-Steelers would appear to be the best candidates,
as <font color="#0000FF">Fox has protected the Packers-Giants game that day.</font></p>


The league has also announced that Eagles-Giants will remain in prime
time Week 11, and that the Week 11 Titans-Falcons game has moved from a
1 p.m. kickoff to a 4:15 p.m. kickoff.</p>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Linval Joseph has been ok. 2nd year guy who didn't play last year. And keep in mind we have Marvin Austin, who, barring further injury, should be a really good DT for us.

I actually like our DTs for the most part, not big names or anything obviously, but definitely serviceable dudes.Linval has been wildly inconsistent he looks bettee the last few games bit what do we have to lose by giving hayneworth a quick look</P>


Not you too Kase! The guy wasn't good enough for one of the worst D lines in football. What on earth would lead you to believe he could play on the best?</P>


In your case, you've been sick and I'm sure dehydration might be to blame. Matt has no excuse.</P>




nopeee we wouldn't hav eto drop alot on him to get him, hes still a force vs the pass, and that means he'd be adding something to our DTs that we're not getting from them unless we drop Tolly and Tuck to DT
</P>


If he was still aforce vs the pass, don't you think Belichik would have kept him?</P>


Oh Right.....Matt knows what BB could never know.</P>


The only thing Haynseworth is a force in is eating.</P>




I guess Brandon Merriweather and Leigh Bodden can't play either, they were both starters that have been cut mid season this year

oh wait, Merriweather starts for the Bears now....
</P>


Meriweather stinks too Matt. Has Bodden joined another team?</P>


I'm telling you, Haynesworth has been a no show for the Pats this season. He has done nothing. They took a shot and decided to cut their losses. Because he's also a ****head on the team as well.</P>


If you think for a minute that TC would want that in his locker room you are nuts.</P>


As a matter of fact it doesn't matter if you think that....You're nuts either way!</P>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Archie Manning handed down so many redeeming traits to his
quarterbacking sons -- accountability, poise, common decency -- that it
is easy to overlook the one he kept all for himself.</p>

Speed. </p>


"When Peyton and even Eli were young high school players," Archie said
Monday, "they'd ask me, 'Why aren't we faster?' They were curious that
if there were any genes there, 'Why didn't we get them?'"</p>


Archie wasn't an Olympic sprinter out of Ole Miss, but his ability to
deke and dodge and scramble served him well with the sadsack Saints of
New Orleans, where the quarterback's job description read like this:
When in doubt, run for your NFL life.</p><div class="mod-container mod-inline content-box mod-podcast floatright mod-no-header-footer">
<div class="mod-content"><div class="podcast-player">
</div>


Giants QB Eli Manning joins "The Michael Kay Show" about a thrilling
come from behind victory, the interception in the last quarter and the
way people are now reacting at his "elite QB" comment.</p>
</div></div>


Young Peyton inquired about his father's mobility more
often than young Eli did, if only because the kid brother quietly
understood he had a little more Archie to his game.</p>

The New England Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)
found out the hard way in Super Bowl XLII, and again Sunday in
Foxborough, Mass., where Eli was elite and elusive when he had to be,
honoring his own public claim to a front-row seat in Tom Brady (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2330/tom-brady)'s class.</p>


Patriots coach Bill Belichick is one of the league's beautiful
defensive minds -- at least he used to be -- and yet his defense never
gets Eli on the ground when it has to. No, nothing Manning did with his
feet in the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)' 24-20 victory matched his absurd Super Bowl escape on the pass to David Tyree (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4669/david-tyree)'s helmet.</p>


But in the final minute of the fourth quarter, Eli's quarter, Manning
did hurt the Patriots on a 12-yard run and, believe it or not, hurt
them again on a scramble that resulted in an incomplete pass.</p>

First the 12-yard run. If Eli didn't inspire visions of Michael Vick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2549/michael-vick) or Steve Young (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13/steve-young),
and he didn't, he did show a slight burst of speed (God forbid), a
small dose of athleticism (perish the thought), and the kind of
big-picture vision usually associated with the greats of the game (i.e.
Brady and Peyton). </p>

What has to be understood, Giants
coach Tom Coughlin said, "is that a quarterback sees the coverage and
recognizes the coverage, and sometimes when the coverage is such that it
is a vulnerable coverage to the quarterback pulling the ball down and
running, he doesn't do it until a key time in the game, when perhaps you
need it the very most.</p>

"That's when [Manning] pulled it down and ran. I thought that that was wise."</p>


But not as wise as the play Manning made on first-and-goal at the
Patriots' 1 with half a minute left, a play lost in the postgame rush to
rewind the memories and point out that the Giant making the big, crazy
catches, Jake Ballard (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13530/jake-ballard),
was wearing Tyree's No. 85. (Just a hunch, but I'm guessing the
coincidence didn't resonate in New England like the fact the St. Louis
Cardinal who made the final out in the 2004 World Series -- Edgar
Renteria -- was wearing Babe Ruth's No. 3.)</p>

The Pats called a
blitz up the middle, and Manning made a hard roll to his left that was
pulled out of his father's playbook. "I was really proud of Eli on that
one," Archie said, "because a sack would've been disaster. Just by
getting that throw off, Eli almost won the game."</p>

Under heavy
pressure, rolling against the grain, Manning threw low and into the end
zone for Ballard. It was the one ball the tight end didn't bring home.</p>


Coughlin gushed about the incompletion, anyway, suggesting it was
the play of the game. "We have a crazy name for that blitz," the winning
coach said, "but [Gary] Guyton was right on top of [Manning]. I mean
point-blank range. And not only does he avoid him and rolls to his left,
but he almost throws a strike.</p>

"That ball, arguably, is a catchable ball. It's off balance. It's to his left. He makes a heck of a play."</p>


Manning found Ballard for the winning score two plays later, leaving
Eli with another defining victory over Brady, whom Coughlin called "one
of the superb quarterbacks in the history of the league."</p>


</p>



Eli's preseason remarks to ESPN New York 1050's Michael
Kay that he sees himself as a Brady-level quarterback -- a stunner given
Eli's long history of colorless quotes -- represented the soundtrack
for this Giants-Patriots rematch. And despite playing without Hakeem Nicks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12586/hakeem-nicks) or Ahmad Bradshaw (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10693/ahmad-bradshaw), Manning wasn't sacked in any literal or figurative way.</p>


Archie believes the constant focus on his son's 25-interception
season in 2010 compelled Eli to say what he said. "It didn't sound much
like Eli," Archie said, "but I think he got really tired of everything
being about those interceptions, and maybe his father did, too. …<font color="#0000FF"> I
think Eli just kind of said, 'Hey, I can play football, too.'"</font></p>


Manning played a better brand of football than Brady did, again, and
Archie took it in via TV. With Peyton down and out, the old man told his
wife, Olivia, that he has to navigate only three hours of nervousness
every game day rather than six.</p>

And Manning maintained those three Giants-Patriots hours were made tougher by the Fox broadcast crew of Joe Buck and Troy Aikman (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/53/troy-aikman).<font color="#0000FF">
"I don't always listen to Troy and Joe," Archie said. "They're kind of
hard on Eli. Joe's always been really tough on Eli, and it seems this
year Troy is, too. But that's OK. Sometimes I just mute them." <font color="#FF0000">We were just talking about that</font>
</font></p>


Archie did call Aikman one of the best quarterbacks of them all, and
did agree with Aikman's assessment about the game's current crop of
prolific passers, but he wasn't interested in rating Eli above this guy
or below that guy.</p>

The Manning patriarch will concede that
Eli's standing in the sport has more to do with his brother than his
father. "When Peyton first got to college, and during his rookie year
with the Colts," Archie said, "I tried to be there for him. Not as his
coach -- I've never been an X-and-O guy -- but as his father and a
little bit as a former player.</p>

"Eli didn't have to do that. He had Peyton to lean on, and Peyton's 10 times better than me." </p>


Peyton might be the best sounding board and football player in the
family, but he's also the slowest runner. If Archie has three steps on
him, Eli has one.</p>

Over four years, if nothing else, that one
step has kept the Giants' elite quarterback safely removed from New
England's grasp.</p>

bigblue4417
11-08-2011, 06:47 PM
“I think everybody expected a little bit more [of the Eagles],” Tuck
said. “I think with the talent they have on their football team, they
can be one of the most dangerous teams in the league. When they put it
together, the thing I was quoted saying is, ‘You can’t buy
championships.’ And what I meant by that is, you’ve got to build
chemistry.</p>


“You can have all the talent in the world, if you’re not out there
playing as one, if you’re just 11 individuals, you’re not gonna beat
anybody in this league. And I think right now that’s some of the issues
that they’re having. Nobody can question how talented they are, nobody
can question how good of a coach Andy Reid is. Everybody knows that.
You need more than talent in this league, because every team has
talent.”</p>

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 07:02 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>

byron
11-08-2011, 07:41 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>I tried... to be a fan you have to be a member of reverbnation

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 08:06 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


I tried... to be a fan you have to be a member of reverbnation</P>


I dont think so. My step daughters are are they arent members.</P>


I appreciate your trying though Byron.</P>

byron
11-08-2011, 08:30 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


I tried... to be a fan you have to be a member of reverbnation</P>


I dont think so. My step daughters are are they arent members.</P>


I appreciate your trying though Byron.</P>I tried again I was able to hit the like button....still get have to become a member to become a fan....

Morehead State
11-08-2011, 08:35 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


I tried... to be a fan you have to be a member of reverbnation</P>


I dont think so. My step daughters are are they arent members.</P>


I appreciate your trying though Byron.</P>


I tried again I was able to hit the like button....still get have to become a member to become a fan....</P>


Thanks Byron.</P>

byron
11-08-2011, 08:56 PM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


I tried... to be a fan you have to be a member of reverbnation</P>


I dont think so. My step daughters are are they arent members.</P>


I appreciate your trying though Byron.</P>


I tried again I was able to hit the like button....still get have to become a member to become a fan....</P>


Thanks Byron.</P>you are very welcome ...now get some music up!

byron
11-09-2011, 12:15 AM
Quick story....Sadie The latest member of the rude dogs "12 weeks old" ....We don't know for sure what happen. gotstung by a beeor bit by a spider and had allergic reaction...Her ears and little face swelled allup and she got sick to her stomach, pucking....Anyhow it brought on some gas ...she would pass a little and it would scareher she would look at her *** as if "who dat" then take off like short for her kennel ....We couldn't figured what hell was going onthought she was going nuts from the reaction or something....After an hour or so we took her to the vets.. hour tripone way and she of coarse is coming out of it...That's when the vet explained to us about the gas thing was probable scaring her...they gave her some benadryl and away we went....Sadie was back to normal this morning chewing my boots and pissing off the big dogs...no need for an alarm clock around here....love'em all...

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 07:24 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>

byron
11-09-2011, 07:52 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 08:19 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


</P>


haha, i love it.</P>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 08:25 AM
Quick story....Sadie The latest member of the rude dogs "12 weeks old" ....We don't know for sure what happen. gotstung by a beeor bit by a spider and had allergic reaction...Her ears and little face swelled allup and she got sick to her stomach, pucking....Anyhow it brought on some gas ...she would pass a little and it would scareher she would look at her *** as if "who dat" then take off like short for her kennel ....We couldn't figured what hell was going onthought she was going nuts from the reaction or something....After an hour or so we took her to the vets.. hour tripone way and she of coarse is coming out of it...That's when the vet explained to us about the gas thing was probable scaring her...they gave her some benadryl and away we went....Sadie was back to normal this morning chewing my boots and pissing off the big dogs...no need for an alarm clock around here....love'em all...</P>


wooo!! glad everything went well.</P>


cant lie, i kinda laughed at how the farting startled her haha</P>


my brother had a dog named Sadie a couple years ago, American Bulldog....she was totally untrainable, and he couldnt keep her. One time, after being left home while everyone was at work, she ate a ****ing drinking glass, cut her face/mouth to ****! And then another time, she ate a pair of his girlfriend's underwear and he had to shell out some SERIOUS $$, in the thousands to have them surgically removed from her intestines because the vets said it could have killed her in a few days. The only reason they knew she ate them was because there was a tag, and a small piece of frayed fabric left. Cant imagine if they didnt figure it out, and they found out the hard way =\
Cute dog, but a total terror.

But now we have Tizzie, and all is right in the world! =]</P>

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 08:30 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....Good Move &amp; I like your thought process on that.

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 08:31 AM
Quick story....Sadie The latest member of the rude dogs "12 weeks old" ....We don't know for sure what happen. gotstung by a beeor bit by a spider and had allergic reaction...Her ears and little face swelled allup and she got sick to her stomach, pucking....Anyhow it brought on some gas ...she would pass a little and it would scareher she would look at her *** as if "who dat" then take off like short for her kennel ....We couldn't figured what hell was going onthought she was going nuts from the reaction or something....After an hour or so we took her to the vets.. hour tripone way and she of coarse is coming out of it...That's when the vet explained to us about the gas thing was probable scaring her...they gave her some benadryl and away we went....Sadie was back to normal this morning chewing my boots and pissing off the big dogs...no need for an alarm clock around here....love'em all...</p>


wooo!! glad everything went well.</p>


cant lie, i kinda laughed at how the farting startled her haha</p>


my brother had a dog named Sadie a couple years ago, American Bulldog....she was totally untrainable, and he couldnt keep her. One time, after being left home while everyone was at work, she ate a ****ing drinking glass, cut her face/mouth to ****! And then another time, she ate a pair of his girlfriend's underwear and he had to shell out some SERIOUS $$, in the thousands to have them surgically removed from her intestines because the vets said it could have killed her in a few days. The only reason they knew she ate them was because there was a tag, and a small piece of frayed fabric left. Cant imagine if they didnt figure it out, and they found out the hard way =\
Cute dog, but a total terror.

But now we have Tizzie, and all is right in the world! =]</p>Good thing the dog's ok. I can picture the dog looking at it's butt with a scared/puzzeled face--Where the hell did that sound come from? lol

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 08:32 AM
http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-cheer_Up839.jpg

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 08:49 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....</P>


No no I don't blame you. But maybe Pizz is right. Some of the best players don't get on starting rosters because we can store them on our bench and keep them from other players.</P>


At least we might want to look at a 15 man roster next year instead of 16.</P>

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 08:50 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


</P>


haha, i love it.</P>


</P>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</P>


There's the difference.</P>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 09:07 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


</P>


haha, i love it.</P>


</P>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</P>


There's the difference.</P>


</P>


lol, that was just one of the reasons, the setup.....the main reason is the fighting. I mean, im competetive, but it's still a game. and i hate to see everyone *****ing all the time.
It was a combination of the things really</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:41 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


</p>


haha, i love it.</p>


</p>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</p>


There's the difference.</p>


</p>


lol, that was just one of the reasons, the setup.....the main reason is the fighting. I mean, im competetive, but it's still a game. and i hate to see everyone *****ing all the time.
It was a combination of the things really</p>

well then the real reason is pizz is just too much of a softie. We **** talk and basically know each other off of football so there was no way that if everybody got into fantasy that it wouldn't be cut throat.

BUT I am in this league on CBS and we have SMALL BENCHES. Not for nothing I've had the worst case of injuries at my RB spots. Jamal Charles, Tim Hightower , Ryan Mathews, and Danny Woodhead.

I've been able to pickup legit FA RBs every week and go wtih them and i've been able to be in the top 4 all year. THATS what I hate about small benches. The fact that I have been able to pickup last minute and sign Michael Bush, Earnest Graham, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Ladanian Tomlinson, Torrain, Helu, and Redman (when Mendy was down). Literally - they have all been in my starting lineups at one point this season

Not only that but somebody cut Mario and I scooped him and I was able to trade him for Gates like week 4. I HAAATE small benches. That type of talent should NEVER hit the FA wire. And like I saidwith big benches, you have zero excuse to not handcuff players

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:42 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....</p>


No no I don't blame you. But maybe Pizz is right. Some of the best players don't get on starting rosters because we can store them on our bench and keep them from other players.</p>


At least we might want to look at a 15 man roster next year instead of 16.</p>

who did he pick up that this is caused over?

I just disagree. I think it makes the draft more important and it makes it important to stay on top of your team every week.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:45 AM
Pappy - if u tell me this is over Earl Bennett - i may have to disown you

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 09:46 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


</P>


haha, i love it.</P>


</P>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</P>


There's the difference.</P>


</P>


lol, that was just one of the reasons, the setup.....the main reason is the fighting. I mean, im competetive, but it's still a game. and i hate to see everyone *****ing all the time.
It was a combination of the things really</P>




well then the real reason is pizz is just too much of a softie. We **** talk and basically know each other off of football so there was no way that if everybody got into fantasy that it wouldn't be cut throat.

BUT I am in this league on CBS and we have SMALL BENCHES. Not for nothing I've had the worst case of injuries at my RB spots. Jamal Charles, Tim Hightower , Ryan Mathews, and Danny Woodhead.

I've been able to pickup legit FA RBs every week and go wtih them and i've been able to be in the top 4 all year. THATS what I hate about small benches. The fact that I have been able to pickup last minute and sign Michael Bush, Earnest Graham, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Ladanian Tomlinson, Torrain, Helu, and Redman (when Mendy was down). Literally - they have all been in my starting lineups at one point this season

Not only that but somebody cut Mario and I scooped him and I was able to trade him for Gates like week 4. I HAAATE small benches. That type of talent should NEVER hit the FA wire. And like I saidwith big benches, you have zero excuse to not handcuff players
</P>


so youre comparing Jamal Charles to Ladanian Tomlinson and Earnest Graham? lol ok....
If someone cut Mario instead of benching him, than you play with a bunch of idiots. dont blame that on bench size.
and in regards to handcuffing...
What makes you think you guarantee yourself your backups?! its not a given! ever...</P>

ny06
11-09-2011, 09:52 AM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


</P>


I joined...</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:54 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


</p>


haha, i love it.</p>


</p>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</p>


There's the difference.</p>


</p>


lol, that was just one of the reasons, the setup.....the main reason is the fighting. I mean, im competetive, but it's still a game. and i hate to see everyone *****ing all the time.
It was a combination of the things really</p>




well then the real reason is pizz is just too much of a softie. We **** talk and basically know each other off of football so there was no way that if everybody got into fantasy that it wouldn't be cut throat.

BUT I am in this league on CBS and we have SMALL BENCHES. Not for nothing I've had the worst case of injuries at my RB spots. Jamal Charles, Tim Hightower , Ryan Mathews, and Danny Woodhead.

I've been able to pickup legit FA RBs every week and go wtih them and i've been able to be in the top 4 all year. THATS what I hate about small benches. The fact that I have been able to pickup last minute and sign Michael Bush, Earnest Graham, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Ladanian Tomlinson, Torrain, Helu, and Redman (when Mendy was down). Literally - they have all been in my starting lineups at one point this season

Not only that but somebody cut Mario and I scooped him and I was able to trade him for Gates like week 4. I HAAATE small benches. That type of talent should NEVER hit the FA wire. And like I saidwith big benches, you have zero excuse to not handcuff players
</p>


so youre comparing Jamal Charles to Ladanian Tomlinson and Earnest Graham? lol ok....
If someone cut Mario instead of benching him, than you play with a bunch of idiots. dont blame that on bench size.
and in regards to handcuffing...
What makes you think you guarantee yourself your backups?! its not a given! ever...</p>

re-read what i said, because you obviously have no grasp on it lol

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 09:54 AM
I'm down with smaller rosters...I think THAT actually makes drafting more important...at the moment I don't even consider Bye Weeks when picking players because...who cares I'll have a suitable back up for everyone, if I knew that that wasn't gonna be the case I would have to take that into account....although still only a little cause I could still trade like I did last week when Cam and Peterson were out.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:57 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


</p>


haha, i love it.</p>


</p>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</p>


There's the difference.</p>


</p>


lol, that was just one of the reasons, the setup.....the main reason is the fighting. I mean, im competetive, but it's still a game. and i hate to see everyone *****ing all the time.
It was a combination of the things really</p>




well then the real reason is pizz is just too much of a softie. We **** talk and basically know each other off of football so there was no way that if everybody got into fantasy that it wouldn't be cut throat.

BUT I am in this league on CBS and we have SMALL BENCHES. Not for nothing I've had the worst case of injuries at my RB spots. Jamal Charles, Tim Hightower , Ryan Mathews, and Danny Woodhead.

I've been able to pickup legit FA RBs every week and go wtih them and i've been able to be in the top 4 all year. THATS what I hate about small benches. The fact that I have been able to pickup last minute and sign Michael Bush, Earnest Graham, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Ladanian Tomlinson, Torrain, Helu, and Redman (when Mendy was down). Literally - they have all been in my starting lineups at one point this season

Not only that but somebody cut Mario and I scooped him and I was able to trade him for Gates like week 4. I HAAATE small benches. That type of talent should NEVER hit the FA wire. And like I saidwith big benches, you have zero excuse to not handcuff players
</p>


so youre comparing Jamal Charles to Ladanian Tomlinson and Earnest Graham? lol ok....
If someone cut Mario instead of benching him, than you play with a bunch of idiots. dont blame that on bench size.
and in regards to handcuffing...
What makes you think you guarantee yourself your backups?! its not a given! ever...</p>

palleaase... MOST teams it is a given

especially whatever case u were up in arms about last year. Was it the backup to Gore i think? I mean you had an injury prone back and you didn't go for insurance. That was your bad.

Regardless, Pappy is upset because he had Earl Bennett taken from him. A big part of fantasy is foresight, if your success is depending on you having a random waiver wire pickup in week 10 then its your bad. Earl Bennet has been a FA ALL YEAR

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 09:58 AM
I'm down with smaller rosters...I think THAT actually makes drafting more important...at the moment I don't even consider Bye Weeks when picking players because...who cares I'll have a suitable back up for everyone, if I knew that that wasn't gonna be the case I would have to take that into account....although still only a little cause I could still trade like I did last week when Cam and Peterson were out.


i disagree. Once injuries happen you can ALWAYS find a pluggable replacement. We'll vote on it next year lijke we do ever year.

A different stratagy isn't the same as a better stratagy.

You wouldn't care EVEN STILL because there would be more talent for u to just drop and pickup week to week.

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 10:04 AM
You wouldn't care EVEN STILL because there would be more talent for u to just drop and pickup week to week.


there must be something wrong with me today because I can't refute this, good point.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 10:08 AM
You wouldn't care EVEN STILL because there would be more talent for u to just drop and pickup week to week.


there must be something wrong with me today because I can't refute this, good point.


cuz its true. I mean both ways has its flaws obviously but look at my CBS league example. With the injuries i've had at RB, theres no way I should be able to just pickup legit RBs every week or other week. I should be out. When you have your top 4 RBs out you shouldn't be able to field legit RBs without trading

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 10:08 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


</p>


haha, i love it.</p>


</p>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</p>


There's the difference.</p>http://www.postmusic.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oh-snap.jpg

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 10:10 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 10:15 AM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif
dirty sanchez

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 10:17 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 10:22 AM
You wouldn't care EVEN STILL because there would be more talent for u to just drop and pickup week to week.


there must be something wrong with me today because I can't refute this, good point.
lol-give it a couple of hours

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 10:23 AM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/780176/sanchez.gif
dirty sanchez


That is just sooooo hilarious.

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:24 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</P>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</P>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 10:28 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</p>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</p>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</p>

i hear ya... but you have Doucet. I'd be looking to run wtih Doucet over bennett anyway

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 10:30 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</p>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</p>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</p>early bird gets the worm.

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:34 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</P>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</P>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</P>


early bird gets the worm.
</P>


No...he had the lower waiver pick. Point is that he saved that pick all season so he could rise to #1 and used in on a WR who is the #6 WR on his roster.</P>


If you go on the FA list and ask yourself.."where are all the WR's?" The answer is that they're all on Byron's team.</P>


Mark down this day...This is the end of Byron's reign this season.</P>

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:35 AM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


</P>


I joined...</P>


</P>


Well I thank you very much. You are officially forgiven for being a Yankee fan. (at least until next season starts)</P>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 10:42 AM
To all my MB friends.</P>


May I humbly ask that you go on our new reverbnation website and sign up as a fan. It would help us to get some gigs and continue to pursue our dream.</P>


Please go to<U> reverbnation.com/oldguns</U> and become a fan. We will be putting up a few videos of our last show in the next few days.</P>


Eli would do it if he knew. Thats all I'm sayin'...............</P>


</P>


Love,</P>


Morehead</P>


</P>


I joined...</P>


</P>


Well I thank you very much. You are officially forgiven for being a Yankee fan. (at least until next season starts)</P>


</P>


i keep forgetting about this. cant get on at work....i have to bump into these posts while im at home.</P>

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 10:44 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</p>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</p>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</p>


early bird gets the worm.
</p>


No...he had the lower waiver pick. Point is that he saved that pick all season so he could rise to #1 and used in on a WR who is the #6 WR on his roster.</p>


If you go on the FA list and ask yourself.."where are all the WR's?" The answer is that they're all on Byron's team.</p>


Mark down this day...This is the end of Byron's reign this season.</p>ha-I have to give Byron credit for thinking ahead and waiting patiently. Sorry MH

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 10:46 AM
wtf? Time to call protective services to that house

http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-hores.jpg

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:49 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</P>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</P>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</P>


early bird gets the worm.
</P>


No...he had the lower waiver pick. Point is that he saved that pick all season so he could rise to #1 and used in on a WR who is the #6 WR on his roster.</P>


If you go on the FA list and ask yourself.."where are all the WR's?" The answer is that they're all on Byron's team.</P>


Mark down this day...This is the end of Byron's reign this season.</P>


ha-I have to give Byron credit for thinking ahead and waiting patiently. Sorry MH
</P>


Of course. But its fun to make a big deal about it. Competing and then having a venue to talk about it with fellow competitors is what makes this league great. Sorry Pizz, I know you hate confrontation. I love it.</P>


My team will rise and defeat all those who dare challenge it.</P>


Lawl is my victim this week. (I actually feel badly because he has fought the good fight against the Cultists) But he is in my way.</P>

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 10:52 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....
Don't listen to him B. He is just mad because he can't find a 3rd WR to save his life. He should have never let go of Decker or drafted Mike Thomas and he is a lil bitter about it. You do whatever you want to improve your team and to hurt other teams. I did the same thing last year when I picked up Brian Westbrook even though I knew I would never use him. It could be a valuable chip to trade someone. If you want him so bad MH make an offer. Don't just come in here bashing people cause you think he will never use him. Maybe he did it so you couldn't get him and that is the game. When you have the #1 waiver spot you can do whatever you want with hit. I like having a big bench because you have to be on top of your team and it's very important to have a great draft. I picked up Moreno knowing I would never use him but it would be a valuable piece to trade to you and it worked! I did the same thing with Nate Washington and that ended up getting me Vick.

P.S. Love you sir

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:53 AM
Just heard on the news that rapper, Heavy D just died. I of course have no friggin idea who that is (was), but after seeing him I realize he is a twin of Pizzlestick.</P>


Just a random observation.</P>

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 10:55 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</P>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</P>


I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....
Don't listen to him B. He is just mad because he can't find a 3rd WR to save his life. He should have never let go of Decker or drafted Mike Thomas and he is a lil bitter about it. You do whatever you want to improve your team and to hurt other teams. I did the same thing last year when I picked up Brian Westbrook even though I knew I would never use him. It could be a valuable chip to trade someone. If you want him so bad MH make an offer. Don't just come in here bashing people cause you think he will never use him. Maybe he did it so you couldn't get him and that is the game. When you have the #1 waiver spot you can do whatever you want with hit. I like having a big bench because you have to be on top of your team and it's very important to have a great draft.

P.S. Love you sir
</P>


You are out of the will.</P>


</P>


And Byron never trades.I won't waist my time. </P>


I don't blame you though. You know that FTU is the team to beat.</P>

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 10:56 AM
Pappy - if u tell me this is over Earl Bennett - i may have to disown you

Yeah. lol I told B not to get him because he didn't really need him and that offense spreads the ball around alot already but maybe he has something up his sleeve.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 10:59 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


</p>


haha, i love it.</p>


</p>


Of course I would never threaten to quit if I don't get my way.</p>


There's the difference.</p>http://www.postmusic.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oh-snap.jpg
Kind of looks like Pizz to.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:02 AM
Jeez Byron...You snap up a player that you will never start just so no one else can have him?</p>


Maybe Pizz is right, the benches are too big.</p>


I'll answer this later if need be ... what do you mean I won't use him.soomebody gets hurt,a good matchup or if he I could make a trade for other need ...I improved my team but hay If i'm not supost to do that I'll drop him tonight when I get home ...so maybe some debateon the matter here today.....I don't trade I look to the wire to improve and get good backups......I saved that waiver priority for a desent pickup....
Don't listen to him B. He is just mad because he can't find a 3rd WR to save his life. He should have never let go of Decker or drafted Mike Thomas and he is a lil bitter about it. You do whatever you want to improve your team and to hurt other teams. I did the same thing last year when I picked up Brian Westbrook even though I knew I would never use him. It could be a valuable chip to trade someone. If you want him so bad MH make an offer. Don't just come in here bashing people cause you think he will never use him. Maybe he did it so you couldn't get him and that is the game. When you have the #1 waiver spot you can do whatever you want with hit. I like having a big bench because you have to be on top of your team and it's very important to have a great draft.

P.S. Love you sir
</p>


You are out of the will.</p>


</p>


And Byron never trades.I won't waist my time. </p>


I don't blame you though. You know that FTU is the team to beat.</p>
Yeah, that is why I beat them [;)]

Just look at the bright side, your higher on the waiver priority. lol

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:06 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:09 AM
Just heard on the news that rapper, Heavy D just died. I of course have no friggin idea who that is (was), but after seeing him I realize he is a twin of Pizzlestick.</P>


Just a random observation.</P>


</P>


I personally dont see the resemblance....however...</P>


Gyrlzthey gyrlztheylove me......cuz I'mthe overweight lover Heavy D</P>


</P>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:12 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</P>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</P>

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 11:16 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
It is very disturbing. How did they get these kids on the campus? I havnt been following it to closely. Its always been bad, they would just sweep it under the rug when we were younger. I dont think I dont think I would be able to control my temper if something like this ever happened to someone in my family.

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 11:17 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</p>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</p>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</p>


early bird gets the worm.
</p>


No...he had the lower waiver pick. Point is that he saved that pick all season so he could rise to #1 and used in on a WR who is the #6 WR on his roster.</p>


If you go on the FA list and ask yourself.."where are all the WR's?" The answer is that they're all on Byron's team.</p>


Mark down this day...This is the end of Byron's reign this season.</p>


ha-I have to give Byron credit for thinking ahead and waiting patiently. Sorry MH
</p>


Of course. But its fun to make a big deal about it. Competing and then having a venue to talk about it with fellow competitors is what makes this league great. Sorry Pizz, I know you hate confrontation. I love it.</p>


My team will rise and defeat all those who dare challenge it.</p>


Lawl is my victim this week. (I actually feel badly because he has fought the good fight against the Cultists) But he is in my way.</p>I am now a member of Chris's street team yummyandthe underdogs [Y]

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 11:18 AM
http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-step_Aside.jpg

lttaylor56
11-09-2011, 11:20 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
It is very disturbing. How did they get these kids on the campus? I havnt been following it to closely. Its always been bad, they would just sweep it under the rug when we were younger. I dont think I dont think I would be able to control my temper if something like this ever happened to someone in my family.
I was thinking the same thing-how did 10 yrs old end up inthe shower there? I think this Sandusky guy ran these charities--that's somehow connected to him luring the kids in there. It's sick stuff--makes you wake up and take every measure to protect your kids as best you can

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:20 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>

it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:22 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
It is very disturbing. How did they get these kids on the campus? I havnt been following it to closely. Its always been bad, they would just sweep it under the rug when we were younger. I dont think I dont think I would be able to control my temper if something like this ever happened to someone in my family.
I was thinking the same thing-how did 10 yrs old end up inthe shower there? I think this Sandusky guy ran these charities--that's somehow connected to him luring the kids in there. It's sick stuff--makes you wake up and take every measure to protect your kids as best you can


yea I haven't followed the story completely, but apparently he had this charity where he'd take underprivilidged kids and hook them up with field passes and sports swag

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:25 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:36 AM
<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) will practice Wednesday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
It's a strong sign that Nicks will be ready to go
for Sunday's game against the 49ers. Even though it will likely be a
limited practice, Nicks' return today means his hamstring strain is of
the Grade 1 variety. He'll resume his every-down role opposite Mario
Manningham, moving impressive Victor Cruz back into the slot. Eli
Manning is hot enough to make all three viable fantasy options weekly.
</div>
<div class="info">

<div class="clearboth"> </div>
</div>
Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) will not practice Wednesday.<div class="report">
</div>
<div class="impact">

Coach Tom Coughlin said Bradshaw is better than he
was last week and is walking around. When asked if his starting running
back will play Sunday, Coughlin said, "We'll see." Even if Bradshaw does
end up active against the 49ers Sunday, he's unlikely to carry a full
load. Stress fractures are highly susceptible to aggravation.
</div>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:37 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</P>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</P>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</P>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</P>

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 11:38 AM
The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Guy was worried about losing his job, he said he discussed it with his fellow co-workers and they told him that if he reported it they would all be fired, he did report it to his superior anyhow (who should have brought it to the police) but the superior was also afraid and handed the Janitor a compliant form and asked him to take care of it himself.

all of the stuff I said above is pointless, how do you not stop that as soon as you see it, how do you not either take care of the situation yourself that second or at least call the 9/11 immediately.

I hope that's what I would do in that situation...and I think it is.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:40 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>

your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:42 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

8 men who were boys have came forward. There will be more that come forward as well. He has over 40 charges against him. Yes, he did it multiple times to multiple kids. He had full access to all the facilities because of his charity work. He is a predator and prays on these weak kids. It is so horrible. I have a problem with you saying you could see the hesitation, it is his moral responsibility as a coach to look into everything whether false or not. That is why he is resigning but I do feel bad for the guy. All the good he has done over decades is all wiped out by this. His reputation will be tarnished forever. If someone tells you they see something like that, you go to the AD and he doesn't do anything because he doesn't want to deal with the backlash then he should have gone to the police. We all know why he didn't but it's no excuse.

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 11:42 AM
If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral

Their "might" be legal ramifications in doing so (on your part I mean slander/defamation of character are the first things that comes to mind)....but I can't imagine that being an issue in my mind, if you believe something is happening you have a moral obligation...just as a human being, to make sure the situation is addressed.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:44 AM
The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Guy was worried about losing his job, he said he discussed it with his fellow co-workers and they told him that if he reported it they would all be fired, he did report it to his superior anyhow (who should have brought it to the police) but the superior was also afraid and handed the Janitor a compliant form and asked him to take care of it himself.

all of the stuff I said above is pointless, how do you not stop that as soon as you see it, how do you not either take care of the situation yourself that second or at least call the 9/11 immediately.

I hope that's what I would do in that situation...and I think it is.


yea that guy really bothers me more than anything. THats not a discussion to have.

Joe Pa has to at LEAST take into consideration that this is possibly some sort of personal vendetta from this WRs coach. What if Sandusky is innocent?

I mean I hear ya, now that we have all the info and its been so long theres noexcuse.

JUST saying that at the time, somebody is saying one of ur best friend just raped a kid and u've never seen that before, I really hate to say that I doubt everybody would be running to the cops on first word. I just dont think thats true. Not to say that eventually they shouldnt or what not.

But again, at the end of the day, besides Sandusky the guy I take more issue with is the WR coach who actually saw this go down. To everybody else its speculation, but he witnessed it

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 11:45 AM
i like the bigger bench cause im always catching the injury bug.


exactly - with the bigger bench, Moorehead has no reason to complain

Now I know I sniped Crabtree last week and I guess it happened two weeks in a row to where hes upset but with the bigger benches he should have players comparable to Bennett already and if he didn't then oh well.
</P>


My search for a third WR is akin to the Soviets search for the elusive "warm weather port" and just as important. Its been going on all season.</P>


So little Morehead runs down the stairs this morning in anticipation that my long searched for goal has been achieved. My only fear was that G would snag him. It never occured to me that Byron would give the guy a second thought.....Oh well. Byron ruined Christmas. And now he must pay.</P>


early bird gets the worm.
</P>


No...he had the lower waiver pick. Point is that he saved that pick all season so he could rise to #1 and used in on a WR who is the #6 WR on his roster.</P>


If you go on the FA list and ask yourself.."where are all the WR's?" The answer is that they're all on Byron's team.</P>


Mark down this day...This is the end of Byron's reign this season.</P>


ha-I have to give Byron credit for thinking ahead and waiting patiently. Sorry MH
</P>


Of course. But its fun to make a big deal about it. Competing and then having a venue to talk about it with fellow competitors is what makes this league great. Sorry Pizz, I know you hate confrontation. I love it.</P>


My team will rise and defeat all those who dare challenge it.</P>


Lawl is my victim this week. (I actually feel badly because he has fought the good fight against the Cultists) But he is in my way.</P>


I am now a member of Chris's street team yummyandthe underdogs [Y]
</P>


Thanks a lot LT. If you get a chance to go onto our Old Guns site, that would be great too.</P>


I really do appreciate the support.</P>

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:47 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>

your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.

It is no worse, only difference is Joe Pa didn't see it. They both knew something happened and they both passed the buck without ever following up. The guy that saw it should have called the cops immediately, when Joe Pa found out he should have called the cops immediately and when the AD found out he should have done the same thing. Everyone is just as much at fault in my opinion and that is why the house needs to be cleaned. Everyone involved still works there. It happened in the showers in the locker room. They pass by that room every day of their life. How did the guy who originally saw it block that out. Every time he walked by the showers he would have to see it in his mind. I guess having a successful college program and money is more important than morals. I hope this guy gets the death penalty. It's always these big powerful guys who think they are above it all and abuse the power.

Morehead State
11-09-2011, 11:47 AM
The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Guy was worried about losing his job, he said he discussed it with his fellow co-workers and they told him that if he reported it they would all be fired, he did report it to his superior anyhow (who should have brought it to the police) but the superior was also afraid and handed the Janitor a compliant form and asked him to take care of it himself.

all of the stuff I said above is pointless, how do you not stop that as soon as you see it, how do you not either take care of the situation yourself that second or at least call the 9/11 immediately.

I hope that's what I would do in that situation...and I think it is.


yea that guy really bothers me more than anything. THats not a discussion to have.

Joe Pa has to at LEAST take into consideration that this is possibly some sort of personal vendetta from this WRs coach. What if Sandusky is innocent?

I mean I hear ya, now that we have all the info and its been so long theres noexcuse.

JUST saying that at the time, somebody is saying one of ur best friend just raped a kid and u've never seen that before, I really hate to say that I doubt everybody would be running to the cops on first word. I just dont think thats true. Not to say that eventually they shouldnt or what not.

But again, at the end of the day, besides Sandusky the guy I take more issue with is the WR coach who actually saw this go down. To everybody else its speculation, but he witnessed it
</P>


Joe Pa is the only HC for Penn State that I have ever known. And that is a long *** time.</P>


I remember the backfield of Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell. Maybe the greatest RB tandem in NCAA history. I remember Jon Hufnegel (our old coach) as the QB for Penn State. All under Joe Pa.</P>


What a terrible way to end a legacy.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:47 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

8 men who were boys have came forward. There will be more that come forward as well. He has over 40 charges against him. Yes, he did it multiple times to multiple kids. He had full access to all the facilities because of his charity work. He is a predator and prays on these weak kids. It is so horrible. I have a problem with you saying you could see the hesitation, it is his moral responsibility as a coach to look into everything whether false or not. That is why he is resigning but I do feel bad for the guy. All the good he has done over decades is all wiped out by this. His reputation will be tarnished forever. If someone tells you they see something like that, you go to the AD and he doesn't do anything because he doesn't want to deal with the backlash then he should have gone to the police. We all know why he didn't but it's no excuse.


i agree but thats hindsight

at the time - how many of those cases were known? Like I said I don't know all the ins and outs of this story. All I heard is that the only case Joe Pa knew about was the time that WRs coach saw it happena nd brought it forward.

You absolutely could see it. How do u know this guy that came forward isn't some ****in looney looking to ruin peoples lives.

his reputation won't be tarnished at PEnn State. **** man, even after all this came out there were still people rallying at his house in support

So wait Joe Pa took it to the AD and he said hes not going to the police with it?

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:48 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>

your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.

It is no worse, only difference is Joe Pa didn't see it. They both knew something happened and they both passed the buck without ever following up. The guy that saw it should have called the cops immediately, when Joe Pa found out he should have called the cops immediately and when the AD found out he should have done the same thing. Everyone is just as much at fault in my opinion and that is why the house needs to be cleaned. Everyone involved still works there. It happened in the showers in the locker room. They pass by that room every day of their life. How did the guy who originally saw it block that out. Every time he walked by the showers he would have to see it in his mind. I guess having a successful college program and money is more important than morals. I hope this guy gets the death penalty. It's always these big powerful guys who think they are above it all and abuse the power.


its ten times worse

One guy KNOWS it happened

another guy HEARD it happened.

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:50 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</P>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</P>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</P>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</P>




your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.
</P>


yea but dude, they all have to be held accountable.</P>


honestly, who gives a **** about reporting to your superior!?!? all of them are ****ed up if they didnt report it to the police.

sure i GUESS 1 person is clearly more liable than the other....but it doesnt make it less WRONG.
It's appauling either way =\</P>

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:52 AM
another guy HEARD it happened.
</P>


dude you STILL have to report it!</P>


not only because it's unethical to not do so, but because it's you no longer have plausible deniability, therefore it's illegal to withhold that information.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:54 AM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>




your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.
</p>


yea but dude, they all have to be held accountable.</p>


honestly, who gives a **** about reporting to your superior!?!? all of them are ****ed up if they didnt report it to the police.

sure i GUESS 1 person is clearly more liable than the other....but it doesnt make it less WRONG.
It's appauling either way =\</p>

like i said how this has all played uot, maybe at one time I could have given Joe Pa a pass, but that time has passed... too many shady moves (or non moves) and too much time to let it go under officially investigated

but I can't say if this was in the moment that if Joe Pa just went to his superior that i would of held him accountable.

I mean if Joe Pa told this guy not to go to the police thats a different story. If he said hold on before ew go to the police, lets let the AD know and then let the police know.

But either way between the AD, the WR coach, and Joe Pa - i find Joe Pa the LEAST accountable. But he still deserves ****.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:56 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

8 men who were boys have came forward. There will be more that come forward as well. He has over 40 charges against him. Yes, he did it multiple times to multiple kids. He had full access to all the facilities because of his charity work. He is a predator and prays on these weak kids. It is so horrible. I have a problem with you saying you could see the hesitation, it is his moral responsibility as a coach to look into everything whether false or not. That is why he is resigning but I do feel bad for the guy. All the good he has done over decades is all wiped out by this. His reputation will be tarnished forever. If someone tells you they see something like that, you go to the AD and he doesn't do anything because he doesn't want to deal with the backlash then he should have gone to the police. We all know why he didn't but it's no excuse.


i agree but thats hindsight

at the time - how many of those cases were known? Like I said I don't know all the ins and outs of this story. All I heard is that the only case Joe Pa knew about was the time that WRs coach saw it happena nd brought it forward.

You absolutely could see it. How do u know this guy that came forward isn't some ****in looney looking to ruin peoples lives.

his reputation won't be tarnished at PEnn State. **** man, even after all this came out there were still people rallying at his house in support

So wait Joe Pa took it to the AD and he said hes not going to the police with it?

The AD never did anything. I don't know if he directly said I'm not going to the police with it but Joe Pa told him and nothing ever came of it. Basically it got swept under the rug and that is why everyone is on Joe Pa. He should have said something to the police and that is the bottom line. So should the guy who saw it. Joe Pa will not have charges brought against him because he spoke up and told someone, he just didn't do enough. After a week or 2 of nothing happening Joe Pa should have gone back up there and said if you don't do something I will. Who cares if the guy is a looney trying to tarnish someones rep, you are the coach and 2nd most important person on the campus. You have to look into things like that. This was in the late 90's this happened. Who knows how long it had been going on since then and how many more boys lifes were changed forever.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:56 AM
another guy HEARD it happened.
</p>


dude you STILL have to report it!</p>


not only because it's unethical to not do so, but because it's you no longer have plausible deniability, therefore it's illegal to withhold that information.</p>

Well thats actually factually not true. If this was done in a business setting and this was an official report at work (which I think it was) then Joe Pa followed protocal at the time. Joe Pa went wrong by letting it slip through the cracks.

But at the time, its not Joe Pa's place to report it to the cops officially. Thats why he will be cleared. He did he what he was suppose to do. But again as a human being, he did wrong

But either way, it goes back to the guy WHO SAW THE RAPE HAPPEN! HE went to his superior? Hes the guy that should of been on his cell calling 911

JPizzack
11-09-2011, 11:56 AM
lunch time. be back in a bit

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

8 men who were boys have came forward. There will be more that come forward as well. He has over 40 charges against him. Yes, he did it multiple times to multiple kids. He had full access to all the facilities because of his charity work. He is a predator and prays on these weak kids. It is so horrible. I have a problem with you saying you could see the hesitation, it is his moral responsibility as a coach to look into everything whether false or not. That is why he is resigning but I do feel bad for the guy. All the good he has done over decades is all wiped out by this. His reputation will be tarnished forever. If someone tells you they see something like that, you go to the AD and he doesn't do anything because he doesn't want to deal with the backlash then he should have gone to the police. We all know why he didn't but it's no excuse.


i agree but thats hindsight

at the time - how many of those cases were known? Like I said I don't know all the ins and outs of this story. All I heard is that the only case Joe Pa knew about was the time that WRs coach saw it happena nd brought it forward.

You absolutely could see it. How do u know this guy that came forward isn't some ****in looney looking to ruin peoples lives.

his reputation won't be tarnished at PEnn State. **** man, even after all this came out there were still people rallying at his house in support

So wait Joe Pa took it to the AD and he said hes not going to the police with it?

The AD never did anything. I don't know if he directly said I'm not going to the police with it but Joe Pa told him and nothing ever came of it. Basically it got swept under the rug and that is why everyone is on Joe Pa. He should have said something to the police and that is the bottom line. So should the guy who saw it. Joe Pa will not have charges brought against him because he spoke up and told someone, he just didn't do enough. After a week or 2 of nothing happening Joe Pa should have gone back up there and said if you don't do something I will. Who cares if the guy is a looney trying to tarnish someones rep, you are the coach and 2nd most important person on the campus. You have to look into things like that. This was in the late 90's this happened. Who knows how long it had been going on since then and how many more boys lifes were changed forever.


like im saying - at first it was told to Joe in a professional setting - he followed protocal. He actually SHOULDNT have called the cops right away, it wasn't his place to.

BUT after nothing happened thats when he failed as a human being.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Exactly, **** being at the police station that night. Call 911 immediately and catch the sick **** red handed. Even Joe said with hindsight he should have done more to fulfill his moral obligation. The guy who saw it still works at Penn St to. He is the WR's coach. How can he stay there? How can he look at that Sandusky guy knowing what he did and talk to him. If I saw a guy sodomizing a 10 year old boy in the shower I would ****en kill him, let alone not say or do anything and still maintain a relationship with the guy. It's just so bad in every aspect. That school will never be the same and they need to fire everyone that was even slightly involved. It's only going to get worse to. Wait until more kids step up and you start hearing more stories. The kids are heroes for coming forward. It would be so embarrassing and so hard to admit that a grown man did that to you.


I didn't know that guy was still at Penn State. I could see the hesitation after the first instance from Joe-Pa, because he doesn't know if this guy who told him really saw it or has some ulterior motives. I mean if Sandusky DIDNT do it and Joe Pa made this public and went ape **** not only does he ruin Sanduskys life but he also brings hell to himself...

BUT there was plenty of time to get to the bottom of it. Theres no way you could of kept them both around and just accepted it. Thats how you know hes guilty. Plus this happened more than once correct?

8 men who were boys have came forward. There will be more that come forward as well. He has over 40 charges against him. Yes, he did it multiple times to multiple kids. He had full access to all the facilities because of his charity work. He is a predator and prays on these weak kids. It is so horrible. I have a problem with you saying you could see the hesitation, it is his moral responsibility as a coach to look into everything whether false or not. That is why he is resigning but I do feel bad for the guy. All the good he has done over decades is all wiped out by this. His reputation will be tarnished forever. If someone tells you they see something like that, you go to the AD and he doesn't do anything because he doesn't want to deal with the backlash then he should have gone to the police. We all know why he didn't but it's no excuse.


i agree but thats hindsight

at the time - how many of those cases were known? Like I said I don't know all the ins and outs of this story. All I heard is that the only case Joe Pa knew about was the time that WRs coach saw it happena nd brought it forward.

You absolutely could see it. How do u know this guy that came forward isn't some ****in looney looking to ruin peoples lives.

his reputation won't be tarnished at PEnn State. **** man, even after all this came out there were still people rallying at his house in support

So wait Joe Pa took it to the AD and he said hes not going to the police with it?

The AD never did anything. I don't know if he directly said I'm not going to the police with it but Joe Pa told him and nothing ever came of it. Basically it got swept under the rug and that is why everyone is on Joe Pa. He should have said something to the police and that is the bottom line. So should the guy who saw it. Joe Pa will not have charges brought against him because he spoke up and told someone, he just didn't do enough. After a week or 2 of nothing happening Joe Pa should have gone back up there and said if you don't do something I will. Who cares if the guy is a looney trying to tarnish someones rep, you are the coach and 2nd most important person on the campus. You have to look into things like that. This was in the late 90's this happened. Who knows how long it had been going on since then and how many more boys lifes were changed forever.


and this response is why i made my original comment

again, like i said by now Joe Pa is guilty of letting this happen too

but I don't get why everybody is taking the shots on him? This guy that witnessed it is almost as bad as Sandusky

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 11:59 AM
Felony charges of involuntary
deviate sexual intercourse of someone under 16, aggravated indecent
assault, indecent assault of someone under 16, indecent assault of
someone under 13, and corruption of minors charges have been filed in
the state court docket system.

The offense dates include 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, and 2005. There are 40 counts included in the paperwork filed against him.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 12:00 PM
Yeah, this story is as uncomfortably nauseating as the headline suggests.</p>


According to the Patriot-News, former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky has been indicted by a Centre County (PA) grand jury on multiple sex abuse charges involving children (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry.html).
The charges, which stem from an investigation that lasted more than
two years, includefelony involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of
someone under 16; aggravated indecent assault; indecent assault of
someone under 16; indecent assault of someone under 13; and corruption
of minors charge.</p>


All told, Sandusky is facing 40 counts from incidents that allegedly
occurred in1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, and 2005. Sandusky retired from the
Nittany Lions following the 1999 season, after which he began devoting
his time to running a children’s charity he had founded in the area.</p>


In a story from March of this year, when the grand jury investigation first came to the public light, the Patriot-News relayed a disturbing incident (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html)
alleged to have occurred in May of 1998 in a locker room located in the
PSU football building and involved the alleged inappropriate contact of
a 12-year-old boy by Sandusky.</p>
<blockquote>

According to several sources, that boy, who was 12 at
the time, alleged he and Sandusky were showering in the football
building on Penn State’s campus when the incident took place.</p>


The boy’s mother told The Patriot-News she was specifically
instructed by state police at Rockview not to speak with a reporter. Her
name is being withheld by The Patriot-News to protect the identity of
her son.</p>


…</p>


According to sources close to the investigation, the boy told
police in 1998 that Sandusky had showered with him in a locker room of
the Lasch Building — home to the football program — during a tour. The
boy claimed Sandusky washed his body during the shower, sources said.</p></blockquote>


It’s unclear if that alleged incident led to any of the charges
Sandusky is currently facing, although the paper noted at the time that
those allegations had not led to any charges.</p>


In January of this year, legendary Nittany Lions head coachJoe Paterno and athletic director Tim Curley
were among the PSU officials called to testify in front of the grand
jury regarding the case against the former coach. The allegations
against Sandusky surfaced two years prior to those appearances by PSU
officials, with a 15-year-old high school student accusing Sandusky of
touching him inappropriately while the two were alone in a high school
gym. Sandusky was an assistant football coach at Central Mountain (PA)
High Schoolat the time.</p>
One final note on this sad tale: the title of Sandusky’s
autobiography, published in 2000, is “Touched: The Jerry Sandusky
Story”. No, seriously.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 12:01 PM
Felony charges of involuntary
deviate sexual intercourse of someone under 16, aggravated indecent
assault, indecent assault of someone under 16, indecent assault of
someone under 13, and corruption of minors charges have been filed in
the state court docket system.

The offense dates include 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, and 2005. There are 40 counts included in the paperwork filed against him.

when were they reported?

again not piushing buttons, like I said i dont know the whole story and from what I know i feel like people are misguiding their outrage

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 12:03 PM
Yeah, this story is as uncomfortably nauseating as the headline suggests.</p>


According to the Patriot-News, former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky has been indicted by a Centre County (PA) grand jury on multiple sex abuse charges involving children (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry.html).
The charges, which stem from an investigation that lasted more than
two years, includefelony involuntary deviate sexual intercourse of
someone under 16; aggravated indecent assault; indecent assault of
someone under 16; indecent assault of someone under 13; and corruption
of minors charge.</p>


All told, Sandusky is facing 40 counts from incidents that allegedly
occurred in1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, and 2005. Sandusky retired from the
Nittany Lions following the 1999 season, after which he began devoting
his time to running a children’s charity he had founded in the area.</p>


In a story from March of this year, when the grand jury investigation first came to the public light, the Patriot-News relayed a disturbing incident (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html)
alleged to have occurred in May of 1998 in a locker room located in the
PSU football building and involved the alleged inappropriate contact of
a 12-year-old boy by Sandusky.</p>
<blockquote>

According to several sources, that boy, who was 12 at
the time, alleged he and Sandusky were showering in the football
building on Penn State’s campus when the incident took place.</p>


The boy’s mother told The Patriot-News she was specifically
instructed by state police at Rockview not to speak with a reporter. Her
name is being withheld by The Patriot-News to protect the identity of
her son.</p>


…</p>


According to sources close to the investigation, the boy told
police in 1998 that Sandusky had showered with him in a locker room of
the Lasch Building — home to the football program — during a tour. The
boy claimed Sandusky washed his body during the shower, sources said.</p></blockquote>


It’s unclear if that alleged incident led to any of the charges
Sandusky is currently facing, although the paper noted at the time that
those allegations had not led to any charges.</p>


In January of this year, legendary Nittany Lions head coachJoe Paterno and athletic director Tim Curley
were among the PSU officials called to testify in front of the grand
jury regarding the case against the former coach. The allegations
against Sandusky surfaced two years prior to those appearances by PSU
officials, with a 15-year-old high school student accusing Sandusky of
touching him inappropriately while the two were alone in a high school
gym. Sandusky was an assistant football coach at Central Mountain (PA)
High Schoolat the time.</p>
One final note on this sad tale: the title of Sandusky’s
autobiography, published in 2000, is “Touched: The Jerry Sandusky
Story”. No, seriously.

and when did this WR coach see the shower thing? Im guessing these are two seperate instances

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 12:04 PM
JUST saying that at the time, somebody is saying one of ur best friend just raped a kid and u've never seen that before, I really hate to say that I doubt everybody would be running to the cops on first word. I just dont think thats true. Not to say that eventually they shouldnt or what not.

It's a tough situation if it's your best friend...and before you kill me for saying that let me bring up a real world experience I had with it.

I was at Rutgers partying it up back in the day at my buddies Off Campus house (Xen House! lol) anyhow, one of my friends in that house wasn't gonna be there that night...so he said I could have his bed for that night...so I'm turning down for the night, I lay down and then all the sudden this girl we know from around there (ex of the guy's bed I was taking) jumps into bed with me...notices that it's not my friend it's me and tells me to get out of the bed...I tell her to F off that I had talked to him and it was mine...she says fine we'll share it...

Next morning she's walking around telling people that I raped her!

Now you guys know me just a little and yet I feel comfortable telling the story because of how ridiculous it is, I'm the nicest guy in the world to every girl I hang out with...probably to the point of fault...

My friends KNOW this and know the claim is bull**** and actually rip her apart for even trying to swing the story....long story short it turns out she had lost her bra at some point that night while partying blacked out woke up in a bed with me without her bra and just assumed which is "fine" I guess I can see why she was confused but the point is....had my friends just gone an ran to the cops at her word...man that would have sucked for me.

So I guess the point I'm making is it's tough to make the call from a "story"

that said this Janitor, he saw it happen...literally saw it with his eye's how he doesn't make SURE something is done about it is beyond me.

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 12:05 PM
another guy HEARD it happened.
</p>


dude you STILL have to report it!</p>


not only because it's unethical to not do so, but because it's you no longer have plausible deniability, therefore it's illegal to withhold that information.</p>

Well thats actually factually not true. If this was done in a business setting and this was an official report at work (which I think it was) then Joe Pa followed protocal at the time. Joe Pa went wrong by letting it slip through the cracks.

But at the time, its not Joe Pa's place to report it to the cops officially. Thats why he will be cleared. He did he what he was suppose to do. But again as a human being, he did wrong

But either way, it goes back to the guy WHO SAW THE RAPE HAPPEN! HE went to his superior? Hes the guy that should of been on his cell calling 911
if the wr coach DID go to a superior, he really didnt do anything wrong imo. could he have done more? yea but you cant fault him for it. this isnt a normal situation.

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 12:06 PM
that said this Janitor, he saw it happen...literally saw it with his eye's how he doesn't make SURE something is done about it is beyond me.


thats exactly what im saying!

but wait I thought it was another coach that saw it and not a janitor

MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 12:10 PM
another guy HEARD it happened.
</p>


dude you STILL have to report it!</p>


not only because it's unethical to not do so, but because it's you no longer have plausible deniability, therefore it's illegal to withhold that information.</p>

Well thats actually factually not true. If this was done in a business setting and this was an official report at work (which I think it was) then Joe Pa followed protocal at the time. Joe Pa went wrong by letting it slip through the cracks.

But at the time, its not Joe Pa's place to report it to the cops officially. Thats why he will be cleared. He did he what he was suppose to do. But again as a human being, he did wrong

But either way, it goes back to the guy WHO SAW THE RAPE HAPPEN! HE went to his superior? Hes the guy that should of been on his cell calling 911
if the wr coach DID go to a superior, he really didnt do anything wrong imo. could he have done more? yea but you cant fault him for it. this isnt a normal situation.


well he saw a coach rape a child with his own two eyes. HE should have been at the police. Second in line that should of been to the police is the AD. Hes the guy that would ultimately deal with something like that.

I dont know. Theres a huge difference in SEEING a rape and hearing about one.

Joe Pa had it reported to him as a superior at work - he followed the chain so in my eyes he did right initially. When he let it go between the cracks and saw nothing be done to Sandusky or the guy who reported it thats where he went wrong

THe guy who saw it should of NEVER reported it to Joe Pa, he should have reported it to the police.

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 12:10 PM
that said this Janitor, he saw it happen...literally saw it with his eye's how he doesn't make SURE something is done about it is beyond me.


thats exactly what im saying!

but wait I thought it was another coach that saw it and not a janitor




Thought it was the Janitor from what I heard on the radio yesterday..also heard he's in a mental institution now and can't testify.

bigblue4417
11-09-2011, 12:11 PM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>

your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.

It is no worse, only difference is Joe Pa didn't see it. They both knew something happened and they both passed the buck without ever following up. The guy that saw it should have called the cops immediately, when Joe Pa found out he should have called the cops immediately and when the AD found out he should have done the same thing. Everyone is just as much at fault in my opinion and that is why the house needs to be cleaned. Everyone involved still works there. It happened in the showers in the locker room. They pass by that room every day of their life. How did the guy who originally saw it block that out. Every time he walked by the showers he would have to see it in his mind. I guess having a successful college program and money is more important than morals. I hope this guy gets the death penalty. It's always these big powerful guys who think they are above it all and abuse the power.


its ten times worse

One guy KNOWS it happened

another guy HEARD it happened.

You are starting to upset me. lol

He has to report it. So you heard a guy got shot and he is laying in the alley or you saw him get shot. So if you don't see it you are not going to report it?

So your nephew comes up to you and says my uncle touched me Matt and I didn't like it.

or

your nephew comes up to you and says my brother told me that dad touched him and he didn't like it.

How is that any ****ing different bro? You are not going to say anything since it's only hearsay?

You are walking a fine line here. It is your responsibility as a coach, mentor and above all a human being to say something regardless of the consequences. Furthermore, if you do say something which Joe Pa did and nothing happens then you can't sweep it under the rug. That is why his name will be tarnished forever and like I said earlier, it's only going to get worse once more stories start coming out.

dezzzR
11-09-2011, 12:12 PM
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MattMeyerBud
11-09-2011, 12:15 PM
This whole Penn St thing is absolutely disgusting and unfathomable to me. Who can you even trust with your kids in this world anymore? How can someone do that to children and get any possible enjoyment out of it. My daughter is 5 and I cringe to think of the predators out there and the things she will have to deal with in her future. I can only hope things go back to the way they were when we were growing up. The world seemed much more innocent then....
</p>


yea, it's extremely disturbing....youre right. Unfathomable is a good description.

I watched Sportscenter on my lunch break yesterday, and Matt Millen(PSU Alum)nearly broke down in tears while trying to discuss the topic. Truly terrible.</p>




it is gross

The thing that isn't really sitting well with me is that Joe PAterno is being roasted. NOt that it isn't deserved but essentially he did the same thing, that the guy who saw this did.

The guy who saw it, reported it to his superior - no police

Joe-Pa reported it to his superior - no police.

not saying that was the right thing, but lets make sure we're putting the guy who saw it happen in the same catagory as Joe Pa - wherever you put him.

And honestly Joe Pa didn't see anything, so he almost had to be diplomatic and follow the chain of command, but the dude who saw it should of been at the police station that night
</p>


you cant be serious man...
if someone told you something of that magnitude, something that absoultely terrible....youre saying you would tell your boss? **** no....you report it to who does the real investigating: the police.

If someone ever told me that, immediately reported, i dont care if it's heresay....you cant ignore jsut because you dont think it's true, or w/e the case is.....it's immoral.</p>

your reading comprehension isn't on today, your 0/2 lol

I personally hold Joe Pa responsibile as well. BUT my thing is that the guy who saw it and reported it to Joe Pa is actually worse than Joe Pa.

It is no worse, only difference is Joe Pa didn't see it. They both knew something happened and they both passed the buck without ever following up. The guy that saw it should have called the cops immediately, when Joe Pa found out he should have called the cops immediately and when the AD found out he should have done the same thing. Everyone is just as much at fault in my opinion and that is why the house needs to be cleaned. Everyone involved still works there. It happened in the showers in the locker room. They pass by that room every day of their life. How did the guy who originally saw it block that out. Every time he walked by the showers he would have to see it in his mind. I guess having a successful college program and money is more important than morals. I hope this guy gets the death penalty. It's always these big powerful guys who think they are above it all and abuse the power.


its ten times worse

One guy KNOWS it happened

another guy HEARD it happened.

You are starting to upset me. lol

He has to report it. So you heard a guy got shot and he is laying in the alley or you saw him get shot. So if you don't see it you are not going to report it?

So your nephew comes up to you and says my uncle touched me Matt and I didn't like it.

or

your nephew comes up to you and says my brother told me that dad touched him and he didn't like it.

How is that any ****ing different bro? You are not going to say anything since it's only hearsay?

You are walking a fine line here. It is your responsibility as a coach, mentor and above all a human being to say something regardless of the consequences. Furthermore, if you do say something which Joe Pa did and nothing happens then you can't sweep it under the rug. That is why his name will be tarnished forever and like I said earlier, it's only going to get worse once more stories start coming out.


i don't mean to upset you but bottom line, its hearsay to Joe Pa. The example you brought up is something thats happening in the moment- something that joe pa could go outside and see.

Truth is that it was an allegation to Joe Pa, this guy saw it. Why is HE goin to his supervisor about this?
Joe Pa played it right at first like I said. But the lack of reprocussion to Sandusky, or even if he didn't believe the WR coach the lack of reprocussion to him falls on Joe Pa.

If this guy had ran to Joe Pa's office while this guy was in the shower with the kid and did nothing, that would be a different story

DavenIII
11-09-2011, 12:15 PM
You are starting to upset me. lol

He has to report it. So you heard a guy got shot and he is laying in the alley or you saw him get shot. So if you don't see it you are not going to report it?

So your nephew comes up to you and says my uncle touched me Matt and I didn't like it.

or

your nephew comes up to you and says my brother told me that dad touched him and he didn't like it.

How is that any ****ing different bro? You are not going to say anything since it's only hearsay?

You are walking a fine line here. It is your responsibility as a coach, mentor and above all a human being to say something regardless of the consequences. Furthermore, if you do say something which Joe Pa did and nothing happens then you can't sweep it under the rug. That is why his name will be tarnished forever and like I said earlier, it's only going to get worse once more stories start coming out.


Read my story Lando, I believe it's a good parallel to what Matt is talking about.

it's one thing if YOU see it it's another thing if some random person tells me it.

if my best friend tells me something happened yeah I would go to report it, because I trust my best friend with my life, but if some random Janitor tells me who I barely know? I don't know...if I know the guy he's telling the story about better then him it would be tough to believe.