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Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:02 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:04 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 10:04 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


<u>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </u></p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.

byron
11-10-2011, 10:08 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</P>


He has no dignity. </P>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </P>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</P>


</P>

hindsight is awlays 20/20

what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
Its not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Matt...they all ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down....thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone !

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 10:09 AM
lol..guys, it's a shtick from the show "Always Sunny in Philadelphia"....Dennis is one of the characters, he considers himself a playboy.

anywaaaaaay.....that episode was funny. "and after im done with them i give em to frank, you should see him fest, hes like a mantis."


i refuse to watch that show just because it has Philadelphia in its na,me
ohhhh dont be ignaaant

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:09 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>

who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat. Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:10 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</p>


He has no dignity. </p>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


</p>


</p>


He should have resigned immediately yesterday instead of forcing the school to do it for him. He is completely out of touch with the seriousness of this.</p>


He could have prevented more kids from being victimized. For some reason his ego won't allow him to come to grips with this.</p>


Maybe his age is getting the best of him.</p>




i just love pappys view point on this - next time I see a rape i'm going to contact Derek Jeter so he can handle the situation. I mean he has power in NY
</p>


You are generally a very insightful and thoughtful poster. This comment is not a good example of that.</p>

the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:11 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>




further proof u don't actually read what we say and u just respond
</p>


You spent a lot of time yesterday defending him Matt. Saying that since he "reported to high ups" he did the right thing. If your view is different than that, I welcome it.</p>

thanks for confirming that u actually DONT read anything that is said...

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:11 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


<U>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </U></P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>


you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.
</P>


He should have banned him from the PSU campus. He allowed this to continue from a base at PSU.</P>


I'm sorry, Joe Pa has serious culpability in this morally. Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:11 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>

u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.


exactly

but how he handled everything after handing it off to the AD was what got him in this mess

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:12 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>

i thought the janitor never filed the papers or told anybody but his boss and it died there. Isnt' that what ur timeline said yesterday

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:13 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?




your right, technically he followed the chain of command - but morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:13 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</P>


He has no dignity. </P>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </P>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</P>


</P>


</P>


He should have resigned immediately yesterday instead of forcing the school to do it for him. He is completely out of touch with the seriousness of this.</P>


He could have prevented more kids from being victimized. For some reason his ego won't allow him to come to grips with this.</P>


Maybe his age is getting the best of him.</P>




i just love pappys view point on this - next time I see a rape i'm going to contact Derek Jeter so he can handle the situation. I mean he has power in NY
</P>


You are generally a very insightful and thoughtful poster. This comment is not a good example of that.</P>




the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
</P>


You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?</P>


I'm delusional? </P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:14 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


<u>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </u></p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.


going to police would of done nothing? Uhm what?

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:14 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>

who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat. Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
Well said Matt

ny06
11-10-2011, 10:14 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


<U>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </U></P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>


you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.
</P>


Then you go to the chief of police and file a complaint that his officers are not looking into a crime that has been commited. </P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:15 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</p>


He has no dignity. </p>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


</p>

hindsight is awlays 20/20

what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
Its not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Matt...they all ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down....thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone !

see i disagree... all the outrage on this is just being focused to the biggest name involved which is stupid. You know that got McQueary STILL is a coach at Penn St right?

HE SAW THE RAPE AND DIDNT TRY AND STOP IT

**** reporting it, **** everything else - that ALONE should have everybody in arms but its not, people are worried about with Joe Paterno coaching or not

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:16 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


<u>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </u></p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.


going to police would of done nothing? Uhm what?

byron
11-10-2011, 10:17 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</FONT></P>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>


</P>


Great Point..</P>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:18 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?




your right, technically he followed the chain of command - but morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all
Yes- I was waiting for that. I see two sides for Joe:

Acting in accordance with the procedures of his job

and

Morally--I already stated yesterday how I would not of allowed something like that to occur and continue, but that's me personally. This is the area where Joe failed.....but does that warrant being fired? The emotion and pain that these children suffered has to be removed from the equation in order to answer that objectively.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:18 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</P>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>




further proof u don't actually read what we say and u just respond
</P>


You spent a lot of time yesterday defending him Matt. Saying that since he "reported to high ups" he did the right thing. If your view is different than that, I welcome it.</P>




thanks for confirming that u actually DONT read anything that is said...
</P>


Your post from yesterday...</P>


your not being sensible with this at all though.

Joe Pa did what he is suppose to do as an employee of Penn State. He played it by the books. It wasn't that he was concerned enough it was that when something like that is reported to you its your job to report it to those above you.

It wans't his place to call the cops and its a very logical situation. Your arguing these points wtih all the knowldge you have right now, not what JP had at the time. Hence why your not being sensible, your being emotional.

</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:18 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</p>


He has no dignity. </p>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


</p>


</p>


He should have resigned immediately yesterday instead of forcing the school to do it for him. He is completely out of touch with the seriousness of this.</p>


He could have prevented more kids from being victimized. For some reason his ego won't allow him to come to grips with this.</p>


Maybe his age is getting the best of him.</p>




i just love pappys view point on this - next time I see a rape i'm going to contact Derek Jeter so he can handle the situation. I mean he has power in NY
</p>


You are generally a very insightful and thoughtful poster. This comment is not a good example of that.</p>




the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
</p>


You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?</p>


I'm delusional? </p>

what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:22 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


<U>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </U></P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>


you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.


going to police would of done nothing? Uhm what?
</P>


Matt...He allowed this guy on the campus, worked closely with him on his charity for <FONT size=5>7 years</FONT> <U>after</U> he was informed that he was molesting children from <U>multiple sources</U>.</P>


Disgusting behavior. Inexcusable. Image the parents of the children who were molested after 2002.</P>


</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:22 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get itI hear that and I feel that right in my gut, but similar to our death penalty discussions doesn't there need to be more direct liability on Paterno's part in order to be fired. Unless of course they are just taking a complete cover up or conspiracy viewpoint and anyone involved in any manner , large or small is being dismissed.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:22 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>




further proof u don't actually read what we say and u just respond
</p>


You spent a lot of time yesterday defending him Matt. Saying that since he "reported to high ups" he did the right thing. If your view is different than that, I welcome it.</p>




thanks for confirming that u actually DONT read anything that is said...
</p>


Your post from yesterday...</p>


your not being sensible with this at all though.

Joe Pa did what he is suppose to do as an employee of Penn State. He played it by the books. It wasn't that he was concerned enough it was that when something like that is reported to you its your job to report it to those above you.

It wans't his place to call the cops and its a very logical situation. Your arguing these points wtih all the knowldge you have right now, not what JP had at the time. Hence why your not being sensible, your being emotional.

</p>

absolutely, i still say he should of called the cops right away. He wasn't a witness. Again, like i've continued to say in probably about 50 posts yesterday (hence why I know u don't actually read everything) is that once he realized the AD was doing nothing he should have stepped up. Because he didn't - thats why he deserves to be fired and thrown in this whole thing

AGain something i've now said 60 times: Saying he should of called the police right away is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:23 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?




your right, technically he followed the chain of command - but morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all
Yes- I was waiting for that. I see two sides for Joe:

Acting in accordance with the procedures of his job

and

Morally--I already stated yesterday how I would not of allowed something like that to occur and continue, but that's me personally. This is the area where Joe failed.....but does that warrant being fired? The emotion and pain that these children suffered has to be removed from the equation in order to answer that objectively.


lol me and u are on the same page with this i think...


i guess ur listed with me and scrappy as the villians of this case

ny06
11-10-2011, 10:23 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</P>


Read the indictment.</P>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


</P>

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:24 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</P>


He has no dignity. </P>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </P>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</P>


</P>


</P>


He should have resigned immediately yesterday instead of forcing the school to do it for him. He is completely out of touch with the seriousness of this.</P>


He could have prevented more kids from being victimized. For some reason his ego won't allow him to come to grips with this.</P>


Maybe his age is getting the best of him.</P>




i just love pappys view point on this - next time I see a rape i'm going to contact Derek Jeter so he can handle the situation. I mean he has power in NY
</P>


You are generally a very insightful and thoughtful poster. This comment is not a good example of that.</P>




the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
</P>


You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?</P>


I'm delusional? </P>




what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</P>


Well I assume that PSU has its own police force. I know UMass does. And either way, the majority of the population there are PSU students and staff. they have to work very closely with the university.</P>


But thats not even the point. he continued his relationship with Sanduski as if he knew nothing.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:25 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it

im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

AGain initially Joe Pa played it right, letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:27 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</p>


He has no dignity. </p>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


</p>


</p>


He should have resigned immediately yesterday instead of forcing the school to do it for him. He is completely out of touch with the seriousness of this.</p>


He could have prevented more kids from being victimized. For some reason his ego won't allow him to come to grips with this.</p>


Maybe his age is getting the best of him.</p>




i just love pappys view point on this - next time I see a rape i'm going to contact Derek Jeter so he can handle the situation. I mean he has power in NY
</p>


You are generally a very insightful and thoughtful poster. This comment is not a good example of that.</p>




the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional
</p>


You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?</p>


I'm delusional? </p>




what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</p>


Well I assume that PSU has its own police force. I know UMass does. And either way, the majority of the population there are PSU students and staff. they have to work very closely with the university.</p>


But thats not even the point. he continued his relationship with Sanduski as if he knew nothing.</p>

reach much? Get your mindset off of the fact that this happened at PSU so it somehow trumps real law. Im sure it has its own police force, ALOT of colleges do - but something as serious as a rape would def go beyond the school police force. This isn't a simple B&amp;E into a car to steal a wallet pappy

byron
11-10-2011, 10:29 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</P>


He has no dignity. </P>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </P>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</P>


</P>

hindsight is awlays 20/20

what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
...<FONT color=#0000ff>they aIts not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Mattll ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down.</FONT>...thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone !

see i disagree... all the outrage on this is just being focused to the biggest name involved which is stupid. You know that got McQueary STILL is a coach at Penn St right?

HE SAW THE RAPE AND DIDNT TRY AND STOP IT

**** reporting it, **** everything else - that ALONE should have everybody in arms but its not, people are worried about with Joe Paterno coaching or not
I have said it a couple of times but let me be clear I don't give a rats *** about JP or any of the others for that matter ....they all ****ed up...and I am sure before it over they will pay in some way or another...the sad thing here is the kids payed the price for their stupidity ....

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:29 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>

i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:30 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</FONT></P>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>


</P>


Great Point..</P>


I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it

im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

AGain initially Joe Pa played it right, letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.
</P>


At no time did he "play it right". He did the minumum to avoid legal exposure. he knew it was happening (you say one man's word, it was a member of his staff who was an eye witness) and he had already been informed in 200 as well.</P>


He covered his *** and then went on with the relationship as if nothing had happened.</P>


Disgusting.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:32 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>


I dunno-give him the opportunity to state to the public that he used improper judgement, wrong choices, mistake, sincerely apologize, yada-yada-yada. Then step down with some dignity.
</p>


He has no dignity. </p>


And I don't want to hear what this senile old man has to say. </p>


He will just say the typical response he has been giving, "I wish I did more" Really Joe? You did nothing....</p>


</p>

hindsight is awlays 20/20

what u should be more disgusted with is McQeaury (the guy who made no attempt to stop it after he actually saw the rape take place and never contacted the police) is still working at penn state
...<font color="#0000ff">they aIts not about who bearsmore or less responsibility at this point for me Mattll ****ed up and they are all guilty of letting those children down.</font>...thing about hindsight is that its based on reality...sad thing isthere could have and should have been a different reality under discussion here......JP's indicressions shall cost him his fame now.. we can debate whether its a fair price or not point is he should have done more and admits it.. "I don't feel at lot of remorse tho" he was rah rahing all way to bed last night....gt to go to work have a good day everyone !

see i disagree... all the outrage on this is just being focused to the biggest name involved which is stupid. You know that got McQueary STILL is a coach at Penn St right?

HE SAW THE RAPE AND DIDNT TRY AND STOP IT

**** reporting it, **** everything else - that ALONE should have everybody in arms but its not, people are worried about with Joe Paterno coaching or not
I have said it a couple of times but let me be clear I don't give a rats *** about JP or any of the others for that matter ....they all ****ed up...and I am sure before it over they will pay in some way or another...the sad thing here is the kids payed the price for their stupidity ....

well I guess thats where we are differing. You are seeing me completely and utterly outraged on specific people in the situation that are the real villians in this case while yoiu guys are grouping them together and taking some satisfaction in the firing of Joe Pa.

And let me rehash this agian about Joe Pa - him coaching DOESNT MATTER. The guy is on the sidelines with no headset on, isn't calling plays, doesn't recruit, and all of that, he was a mascot

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:32 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</P>


Read the indictment.</P>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


</P>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</P>


If the police want to pursue others, thats fine. It seems the assistant did exactly what Paterno did...the minimum to protect themselves legally.</P>


</P>

ny06
11-10-2011, 10:33 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</P>


Read the indictment.</P>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


</P>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</P>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:34 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?




your right, technically he followed the chain of command - but morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all
Yes- I was waiting for that. I see two sides for Joe:

Acting in accordance with the procedures of his job

and

Morally--I already stated yesterday how I would not of allowed something like that to occur and continue, but that's me personally. This is the area where Joe failed.....but does that warrant being fired? The emotion and pain that these children suffered has to be removed from the equation in order to answer that objectively.


lol me and u are on the same page with this i think...


i guess ur listed with me and scrappy as the villians of this case
I think we are looking at it from the same window. I am going read the indictment that NY06 just posted now.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:34 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</p>


If the police want to pursue others, thats fine. It seems the assistant did exactly what Paterno did...the minimum to protect themselves legally.</p>


</p>
it boggles me how u could even say that, it REALLY ****ing does

while i don't condone Joe Pas actions as a whole, all hes getting is words...

this ****in scumbag SAW A KID GET RAPED, DIDNT STOP IT, AND DIDNT GO TO THE POLICE

thats ****ing insane to me how you could mention anybody but Sandusky in the same catagory with him. It honestly disturbs me how passive you are with that guy and then get so heated about Joe Pa becuase "HES THE BIG WIG AT PENN ST".

byron
11-10-2011, 10:35 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</FONT></P>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>


</P>


Great Point..</P>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it

im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

AGain initially Joe Pa played it right,<FONT color=#0000ff> letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.
</FONT>Fine Matt argue semantics bottom line he **** up...now didn't he ....you trying save his rep ..fine ...I could care less about his rep....i'm done with this.... carry on....love ya man

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 10:36 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>

What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

http://i.imgur.com/3kpMC.gif

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:36 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</p>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</p>

okay and mind u this is for arguments sake:

and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:38 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>

What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

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lol it really is true. They haven't grasped anything we are saying

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:38 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 10:38 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


<u>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </u></p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.


going to police would of done nothing? Uhm what?
go back and look at the timeline. there were multiple reports of this happening and nothing happened to the sick ****

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:40 AM
my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.

If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000FF">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000FF">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:40 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures?


We trust our kids to the system LT that they are going to teach and protect ...it didn't happen in this case it can't be over looked by policies and procedures...I'm sorry if it was one of my kids thishadhappened to...one I wouldn't want to here that **** and I'd want to kill someone as I'm sure you would .....I don't care what JP did for the world he ****ed up on this one and it part of the measurement of his life he could have been a hero on this one ....and he turns his head ? I don't get it

im sorry but u could of done a different kind of damage and effect alot of peoples lives to wrecklessly just go and bring it to the police off of just one mans word. What if this one man was lying? Couldn't it of been true that this guy had some other agenda to **** over Sandusky and he was trying to **** him over?

AGain initially Joe Pa played it right,<font color="#0000ff"> letting it get forgotten is where he scumbagged out in my opinion.
</font>Fine Matt argue semantics bottom line he **** up...now didn't he ....you trying save his rep ..fine ...I could care less about his rep....i'm done with this.... carry on....love ya man

na your not getting my points either im making two simple points about joe pa:

1) People are saying he should of called the police right away and I disagree. I think that would of been a completely wrong move. Again, hindsight is 20/20 but in the moment you can't kill him for that

2) He deservest o be fired, he doesn't deserve to be off the hook, but I don't want to hear outrage about him and then people like Moorehead arent' saying a word about the second source of this misery: McQueary. How anybody could really give a **** about Paterno and just not give a second thought about that guy is BAFFLING.

ny06
11-10-2011, 10:40 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</P>


Read the indictment.</P>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


</P>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</P>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</P>




okay and mind u this is for arguments sake:

and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

</P>


McQueary should be brought up on charges. </P>


He witnessed a crime and did not contact the authorites. </P>


Joe Paterno is just a mindless old idiot. He did not nip this in the butt when he first heard the allegations. </P>


The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 10:41 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:41 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</P>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</P>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</P>




What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

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</P>


You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story. So what does Joe Pa do? Informs the AD and then continues his relationship and school activities with a man that a member of his staff just told him was a child rapists.</P>


If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.</P>


The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:41 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or <font color="#0000FF">in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures? </font>



This is another thing that kills me...

I don't think policies and procedures apply when someone comes to you shaking and distraught that they just saw a 70 year old man ****ing a 10 year old.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 10:42 AM
what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</P>


these are exactly all my points from yesterday.

I dont care WHERE it happened....

Bottom line was all parties involved did NOTHING to stop it...and NOTHING to report it.

Honestly, how could you ****ing sleep knowing you didn't do a goddamn thing about it?! Going to your boss? I just dont get how that's considered doing something. It's ****ing shameful, and THAT'S why Paterno is just as big a POS as the other people who knew of it.</P>

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:43 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</P>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </P>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </P>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</P>


edit: There all <U>scum</U> in my eyes Matt...</P>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<FONT color=#0000ff>I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</FONT> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</P>


Read the indictment.</P>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</P>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </P>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </P>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</P>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </P>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </P>


</P>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</P>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</P>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</P>




okay and mind u this is for arguments sake:

and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

</P>


McQueary should be brought up on charges. </P>


He witnessed a crime and did not contact the authorites. </P>


Joe Paterno is just a mindless old idiot. He did not <FONT size=6>nip this in the butt</FONT> when he first heard the allegations. </P>


The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...</P>


</P>


I hate to make light of this horrible situation, but this was an unfortunate, possibly freudian slip.</P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:44 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:45 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:46 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


<u>And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </u></p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>you guys are not understanding that going to the police wouldnt have done anything. these accusations were brought up before with no consequences or repercussions . a mother already went to the police and nothing happened. joe pa will speak to the media later on what mcmick told him. god that guys hair is red.


going to police would of done nothing? Uhm what?
go back and look at the timeline. there were multiple reports of this happening and nothing happened to the sick ****


yea the first time it got thrown out. Soon as this one came out that one time was referenced, all of a sudden that brings more validity to it. Now other people are stepping up too. So essentially going to the police did work ,it just took these guys alot longer than it hsould have to do it

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:47 AM
my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.

If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000ff">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000ff">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."


JOE PA DIDNT SEE IT!!! Jesus Lando

MCQUEARY SAW IT!!! HE DIDNT STOP IT!!! HE DIDNT REPOT IT TO THE POLICE!!! HE REPOTED IT TO JOE ****ING PATERNO!!!

but ur okay wtih that and take issue with Paterno because hes the bigger name and he didn't go the police, honestly how the **** can these opinions even be coming from ur brain to your fingers to type it.

You have me completely stunned

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 10:48 AM
This is another thing that kills me...

I don't think policies and procedures apply when someone comes to you shaking and distraught that they just saw a 70 year old man ****ing a 10 year old.
</P>


yupppp</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:49 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</p>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</p>




okay and mind u this is for arguments sake:

and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

</p>


McQueary should be brought up on charges. </p>


He witnessed a crime and did not contact the authorites. </p>


Joe Paterno is just a mindless old idiot. He did not nip this in the butt when he first heard the allegations. </p>


The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...</p>

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 10:50 AM
You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story.

Yes it is a Story..Morehead...that's exactly what it is...you can claim it's not but you are just wrong.
</p>
If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.


They are ALL scumbags, we are discussing the degree of scumbaggery....and honestly...Joe Pa. is the lowest on the list, the guys who covered it up are the highest, and the people who SAW IT HAPPEN and did nothing in the moment and didn't go to the Police (**** Joe Pa these people have a moral obligation to go to the cops because they are witnesses) are right behind them.




The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</p>


</p>

This is ****ing bull**** and it's really begining to piss me the **** off Morehead, If the Witnesses want to tell Joe Pa they are going to the cops that's fine...but it's the actual Witnesses responsibility to make sure there is Police activity...the Janitor and the Coach HAVE to go to the cops ...they can ALSO go to Joe Pa...but the responsibility lies squarely on those who witnessed the crime.</p>

And if you think otherwise not only are you wrong...but you are a disappointment, like seriously I'm not even playing or joking around now...so please let me get out of this conversation before I lose anymore respect for you..
</p>


</p>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:51 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:52 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness - i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:53 AM
what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</p>


these are exactly all my points from yesterday.

I dont care WHERE it happened....

Bottom line was all parties involved did NOTHING to stop it...and NOTHING to report it.

Honestly, how could you ****ing sleep knowing you didn't do a goddamn thing about it?! Going to your boss? I just dont get how that's considered doing something. It's ****ing shameful, and THAT'S why Paterno is just as big a POS as the other people who knew of it.</p>

i think we agree morethan u realize...

i just think McQueary is JUST as bad as Sandusky and that Joe Pa initially made the right move by not alerting the authorities. He wasn't an eye witness

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:53 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
morally they got rid of him and I have no issue with that at all

They didn't get rid of him. They fired him as a coach but still gave him access to everything. Even after they caught him raping the boy he still had access to the facilities and worked in a building right across the street.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?


I'm delusional? </p>
NO ****! lol

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
</P>


I guess that what we call "playing it right".</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:55 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


<font color="#0000ff">Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</font></p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>


</p>


Great Point..</p>I'm a parent of 3--I feel the pain of the situation very clearly, but I don't want that to cloud my viewpoint.

To be fired from his position, Did Paterno act in a manner not appropriate or <font color="#0000ff">in accordance with the institutions policies and procedures? </font>



This is another thing that kills me...

I don't think policies and procedures apply when someone comes to you shaking and distraught that they just saw a 70 year old man ****ing a 10 year old.


so what if the allegations weren't true? PAterno just went to the cops, ruined peoples lives in a different way, and THEN would of DEFINITLY been fired as well for not following protocol?

And ur in denial if u think 100 of rape cases haven't been across joe pa's desk. Either way when McQueary came to Joe Pa first he has to think to himself why is he coming to me and not the police if thats the situation. He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:57 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.


and for the 400th time, thats why me and daven agree he should be fired. And now for the 20th time, thats how me and daven now know u guys aren't reading a thing we are saying

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 10:58 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>




What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

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</p>


You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story. So what does Joe Pa do? Informs the AD and then continues his relationship and school activities with a man that a member of his staff just told him was a child rapists.</p>


If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.</p>


The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</p>


honestly, the fact that your trolling today on something this heated is kind of annoying

and by your responses, i would have to think your trolling

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 10:59 AM
what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</P>


these are exactly all my points from yesterday.

I dont care WHERE it happened....

Bottom line was all parties involved did NOTHING to stop it...and NOTHING to report it.

Honestly, how could you ****ing sleep knowing you didn't do a goddamn thing about it?! Going to your boss? I just dont get how that's considered doing something. It's ****ing shameful, and THAT'S why Paterno is just as big a POS as the other people who knew of it.</P>




i think we agree morethan u realize...

i just think McQueary is JUST as bad as Sandusky and that Joe Pa initially made the right move by not alerting the authorities. He wasn't an eye witness
</P>


I think my thing is....it wasnt a 1 time occurence. it was multiple reports....therefore they cant continue to be ignored even if youre a big enough POS to ignore it the first time....
I just can't consider it the "right move". sorry matt.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:00 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>

your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:02 AM
You are suggesting that Joe Paterno doesn't have any more influence at PSU than any other citizen?


I'm delusional? </p>
NO ****! lol




you guys are making tihs seem like its smash and grab job on a coachs car outside. PSU has nothing to do with the severity of this case. It was just an ex employee of PSU and it happened on PSU ground. You guys are dilusional to think tha tJoe Pa is above the law, the judge, a jury, and the legal system

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:04 AM
what the **** does PSU have to do wtih this?!

Why do u care how PSU would of handled this?!

What power does Joe Paterno have over me or you when it comes to the law?
</p>


these are exactly all my points from yesterday.

I dont care WHERE it happened....

Bottom line was all parties involved did NOTHING to stop it...and NOTHING to report it.

Honestly, how could you ****ing sleep knowing you didn't do a goddamn thing about it?! Going to your boss? I just dont get how that's considered doing something. It's ****ing shameful, and THAT'S why Paterno is just as big a POS as the other people who knew of it.</p>




i think we agree morethan u realize...

i just think McQueary is JUST as bad as Sandusky and that Joe Pa initially made the right move by not alerting the authorities. He wasn't an eye witness
</p>


I think my thing is....it wasnt a 1 time occurence. it was multiple reports....therefore they cant continue to be ignored even if youre a big enough POS to ignore it the first time....
I just can't consider it the "right move". sorry matt.</p>

hindsight is 20/20, most of you are having a hard time being realistic to putting urself in that moment.

It was the right move initially, once there was no progress thats when it became the wrong move

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:05 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:09 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


</p>


And you do realize he was told by not one person, but two about what was going on. </p>


And I guess speaking to your higher ups is more important then doing the right thing, going to the police. </p>


Have you seen the interviews with Joe Paterno? It made me sick to see his responses, and then he gave the Penn State rally call?? Pathetic!!!!</p>


edit: There all <u>scum</u> in my eyes Matt...</p>




who was the other person? Only thing I've read was that McQueury brought it to his attention?

If your referencing the janitor, he went to HIS superior and apparently it died there

I just hate the fact that u guys are caught up on Paterno instead of actually getting to the source of this issue. I just think that your killing Joe Paterno cuz of his name. In this case while JP SHOULD be fired, out of all the list of characters he is the LAST person you should be talking about.

Why aren't you talking about the janitor who didn't choose to fill out the paper work or report it to the place? Why aren't you talking about the janitor's boss who didn't want to get involved because he was afraid of his job? Why aren't you talking about the other janitors who apparently the original guy discussed with what he saw? Why aren't you talking about McQeaury- the guy who saw the rape and didn't stop it and then felt it necessary to ONLY tell HIS superior?? Why aren't you talking about the other assistant coaches he conferred with before going to Paterno?

I'm not giving Paterno a pass at all but im sick of people pinning it on him, at least he passed it on to his higher ups. That doesn't cut it for McQueary - it wasn't just something he heard. He saw that **** with his own two eyes

Sorry but McQueary still has a job and he witnessed the rape, didn't stop it, and never brought it to the police. I don't care how much Joe Paterno means to Penn St, thats not good enough. In my eyes, hes as bad as Sandusky. Anybody that has the chance to stop somebody raping a child and does nothing is just as much of a scumbag. Oh but wait, he was worried about his job - thats a good reason to lay off him. But when something hearsay drops on Paternos lap, he should of just took no precaution and went to war with it.

There are two hypothetical truths about this whole situation. If the only thing Joe Pa did was bring it to the AD and

1) The AD did his job with it and didn't try to cover it up, NOBODY would be giving Joe Pa **** for following the chain of command. He actually would of been commended.

2) Had the AD did what he did, Joe Pa recognzied it and didn't let it go to bed or did something to bring this whole case back to life (Which is what he should of did) nobody would be looking to hang Joe Pa or have any knocks on him

Bottom line to say he should of went to the cops right away with a hearsay story of something that he can't confirm or deny is an emotional response with hindsight 20/20. Thats my only stance on Joe Pa

<font color="#0000ff">I just hate the fact that people are making him to be the biggest villian and making him the public scapegoat.</font> Let the media do that, but while we're having discussions realize the situation and don't just follow what outraged parents and people trying to sell the news are saying
</p>


Read the indictment.</p>


http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment</p>


He's not a scapegoat, but he is involved. </p>


He did not commit the crime, but he did as minimal as possible for the situation. </p>


You keep making it out that he did what he had to do, well guess what. He did not!!!</p>


He choose to tell the information to his superiors, ok fine, then that's it. The situation got swept under the rug. He's a ****ing parent (Joe Paterno) He did not think for a second "hey maybe I should notify the authorities and get this situation brought to light" </p>


If it turns out it was just hear say then it's moved on, but if they find out there was rape and molestation going on they could have prevented it and kept future children from getting hurt. </p>


</p>




i think my stance on Joe Pa is very clear, but for some reaosn your not grasping it.

And i'm sorry he is being made the scapegoat because hes the biggest name. I have yet to hear you mention MCQueary as the pussified scumbag that he is. I have stated numerous times that at first Joe Pa did the smart thing, but once he saw nothing being done it made him get all he deserves for not trying to get to the bottom of it.


</p>


http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/2322367.aspx (/forums/thread/2322367.aspx)</p>


Read my posts, and see what my views are on McQueary.</p>




okay and mind u this is for arguments sake:

and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?

</p>


McQueary should be brought up on charges. </p>


He witnessed a crime and did not contact the authorites. </p>


Joe Paterno is just a mindless old idiot. He did not nip this in the butt when he first heard the allegations. </p>


The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...</p>no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:09 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>

no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:10 AM
but its good to know that if u guys ever see a rape, your going to go weight the pros n cons of stopping it.

<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday?</font>

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:12 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>

no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky

byron
11-10-2011, 11:12 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>

your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
JP could/should have reported the incident to the police alone with the eye witnesses names.. this is not rocket science...and the fact that nobody did is ****ing wackythey/someonewas trying to cover it all up....sick ****

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:14 AM
and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?


Yes, and Schulz and the Finance Director. They all deserve the same amount of blame. They all swept it under the rug and did nothing about it.

The problem we have is the man Joe Pa. The guy who built the program to what it is. He made his living on helping kids and establishing foundations and charity work with kids and the community. He violated everything he believed in to save his football program. It's an embarassment. Everyone involved is just as bad, he takes more blame because he is Joseph Paterno. He turned his back to kids being molested and raped in his facilities. Everyone did, but everyone is not Paterno.

Technically everyone should be held in the same accountability but that is not how it works in America. A Janitor telling his boss and then doing nothing fails in comparison to the leader of a university doing nothing when he hears multiple complaints and see's the guy with multiple different children.

It would be like continuing to take your kids to a day care that your friend owns when you know a sex offender works and you have heard stories about other kids being molested there but you just turn your back to it because you don't want the day care to crash and burn.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 11:14 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</P>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:15 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>

no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:15 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
</P>


According to the indictment, the mother of one of the kids contacted the police, they investigated and didn't arrest him.</P>


But Joe Paterno could have banned him from the campus and severed his relationship with Sandusky. With that info in the idictment, it seems that Joe Pa had more power than the campus police. He chose not to use it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:16 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>

your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
JP could/should have reported the incident to the police alone with the eye witnesses names.. this is not rocket science...and the fact that nobody did is ****ing wackythey/someonewas trying to cover it all up....sick ****

it is sick **** and nobody was arguing that Paterno is innocent. I don't blame him for initially not going to hte police with it, but I do once he saw nothing was done about it

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:16 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>

you would think it isn't, but apparently nothing is happening to this guy

i think he should be locked up next to Sandusky

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:17 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <U>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</U>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
</P>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:18 AM
and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?


Yes, and Schulz and the Finance Director. They all deserve the same amount of blame. They all swept it under the rug and did nothing about it.

The problem we have is the man Joe Pa. The guy who built the program to what it is. He made his living on helping kids and establishing foundations and charity work with kids and the community. He violated everything he believed in to save his football program. It's an embarassment. Everyone involved is just as bad, he takes more blame because he is Joseph Paterno. He turned his back to kids being molested and raped in his facilities. Everyone did, but everyone is not Paterno.

Technically everyone should be held in the same accountability but that is not how it works in America. A Janitor telling his boss and then doing nothing fails in comparison to the leader of a university doing nothing when he hears multiple complaints and see's the guy with multiple different children.

It would be like continuing to take your kids to a day care that your friend owns when you know a sex offender works and you have heard stories about other kids being molested there but you just turn your back to it because you don't want the day care to crash and burn.


honestly if u think Paterno is as bad as Sandusky then I think your on crack and u need to pull ur horses of outrage back.

He could of stopped the rape and had Sandusky thrown in jail THAT NIGHT with PLENTY OF EVIDENCE.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:19 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 11:20 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</P>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</P>




you would think it isn't, but apparently nothing is happening to this guy

i think he should be locked up next to Sandusky
</P>


gotta wait it out. Im fairly sure something will be done about it.
If not, something is wrong....</P>

byron
11-10-2011, 11:20 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>

no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
I can't argue with any of what you say here Matt...I don't knowhow someone can stand there and do anything...I also can't understand how it all gets brushed under the table evil all the way around ...

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:20 AM
and your going to throw McQueary in the same bag of blame as PAterno?


Yes, and Schulz and the Finance Director. They all deserve the same amount of blame. They all swept it under the rug and did nothing about it.

The problem we have is the man Joe Pa. The guy who built the program to what it is. He made his living on helping kids and establishing foundations and charity work with kids and the community. He violated everything he believed in to save his football program. It's an embarassment. Everyone involved is just as bad, he takes more blame because he is Joseph Paterno. He turned his back to kids being molested and raped in his facilities. Everyone did, but everyone is not Paterno.

Technically everyone should be held in the same accountability but that is not how it works in America. A Janitor telling his boss and then doing nothing fails in comparison to the leader of a university doing nothing when he hears multiple complaints and see's the guy with multiple different children.

It would be like continuing to take your kids to a day care that your friend owns when you know a sex offender works and you have heard stories about other kids being molested there but you just turn your back to it because you don't want the day care to crash and burn.


honestly if u think Paterno is as bad as Sandusky then I think your on crack and u need to pull ur horses of outrage back.

He could of stopped the rape and had Sandusky thrown in jail THAT NIGHT with PLENTY OF EVIDENCE.

The program, the school, all of that has nothing to do wtih it. Your being headline hunters. Your floating away from the real situation here. Your giving me ahistory lesson of PSU - it has nothing to di wth the fact that boy was raped. When Paterno was called in to testify, do u think they called him coach Paterno? No sir.

I think Sandusky and McQueary should be held to the same accountability.

Not for nothing, im not sure how well known Sanduskys past issues were known since he was still able to be a part of his hcarity and Matt Millen , u said urself, was onthe baord and was completely taken back by all of this stories.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:21 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:21 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
\

before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:22 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
</p>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>

the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:25 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.


your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:27 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <U>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</U>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
</P>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</P>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
</P>


It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</P>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</P>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</P>

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 11:28 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</P>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<U>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</U>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</P>


no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.


your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
</P>


I'm not a lawyer obviously...and have no education in terms of law. But there will be reprocussions for his inactions. There has to be! Especially in a case of this magnitude with the coverage it's getting.
No judge is going to take this lightly. ESPECIALLY in child molestation.</P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:29 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:30 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</p>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
</p>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
</p>


It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</p>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</p>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</p>

lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:31 AM
my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.

If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000ff">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000ff">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."


JOE PA DIDNT SEE IT!!! Jesus Lando

MCQUEARY SAW IT!!! HE DIDNT STOP IT!!! HE DIDNT REPOT IT TO THE POLICE!!! HE REPOTED IT TO JOE ****ING PATERNO!!!

but ur okay wtih that and take issue with Paterno because hes the bigger name and he didn't go the police, honestly how the **** can these opinions even be coming from ur brain to your fingers to type it.

You have me completely stunned

I am not ok with that at all. Maybe the kid wanted Joe Pa to help him and he trusted him to do the right thing. Maybe he knew his name would be trashed and it would be covered up if he came out by himself so he needed Joes help. Instead everyone turned their back. I can't speak for this kid but he needs to be fired to. Everyone should have gone to the police Matt. Everyone failed these kids.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:32 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.


and thats what makes me sick - the fact that ur putting him on Joe Pa's level

im just gona end it there. It honestly turns my stomach that u find the way McQueary behaved even comparable to joe pa and not to sandusky

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:32 AM
The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.



WHY?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:34 AM
my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.

If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000ff">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000ff">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."


JOE PA DIDNT SEE IT!!! Jesus Lando

MCQUEARY SAW IT!!! HE DIDNT STOP IT!!! HE DIDNT REPOT IT TO THE POLICE!!! HE REPOTED IT TO JOE ****ING PATERNO!!!

but ur okay wtih that and take issue with Paterno because hes the bigger name and he didn't go the police, honestly how the **** can these opinions even be coming from ur brain to your fingers to type it.

You have me completely stunned

I am not ok with that at all. Maybe the kid wanted Joe Pa to help him and he trusted him to do the right thing. Maybe he knew his name would be trashed and it would be covered up if he came out by himself so he needed Joes help. Instead everyone turned their back. I can't speak for this kid but he needs to be fired to. Everyone should have gone to the police Matt. Everyone failed these kids.


nobody failed these kids head and shoulders more than McQueary...

maybe its all bull**** and why the **** would this ******* even try to go to the police. Why would he not try to stop the rape from happening. HE SAW IT WITH HIS OWN TWO EYES

are u ****ing kidding me man. How u can be so passive with Mcqueary and so inflamed about JP is insane.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:35 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.


your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped <u>and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable</u>

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
thats simply not true though. he told joe, thinking joe could do something about this because of his long standing reputation. mc was so bothered he called his father and asked him what he should do. going to the cops wouldnt of solved anything, theres no evidence. joe pa and the president of the school are the enablers in my eyes. its easy to say ohh i would of done this or that but we dont know the people involved and the relationships between them.
espn said joe pa will speak on what happen when mc told him later

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:36 AM
The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.



WHY?


because his job was to report it to the top and then collectively as a school report it. Once that dind't happen and it was swept under the rug is where he went wrong

He doesn't know if its true or not thats why. Letting is slide between the cracks is what made him a bad guy in this case

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 11:36 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 11:36 AM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:37 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000FF"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:37 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.


your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped <u>and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable</u>

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
thats simply not true though. he told joe, thinking joe could do something about this because of his long standing reputation. mc was so bothered he called his father and asked him what he should do. going to the cops wouldnt of solved anything, theres no evidence. joe pa and the president of the school are the enablers in my eyes. its easy to say ohh i would of done this or that but we dont know the people involved and the relationships between them.
espn said joe pa will speak on what happen when mc told him later


how is that not true? He saw the rape wtih his own eyes - he didn't go break it up. He LITERALLY could of stopped the rape from happening and chose not to. He'd rather go talk to JP about it like its some halftime adjustment

are u ****in kidding?

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:38 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
</P>


Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</P>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <U>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</U>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
</P>


As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</P>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
</P>


It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</P>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</P>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</P>




lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******
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I'm actually trying to figure out your position myself. You said that Joe Pa "played it right". Those were your words.</P>


I say he "played it wrong". I say he should have banned the guy from the campus. I say he should have severed his relationship completely. He should have found out who the boy was and talked to the family. He could have done this in a heartbeat. Joe Pa was the most important person in Penn State history. I also say he should have gone to the police, compelled this assistant to talk to the cops as well. He would have with the backing of Paterno.</P>


Do you disagree with any of this Matt or do you stick to your position that he "played it right"? As if its some kind of game.</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 11:38 AM
The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.



WHY?


because his job was to report it to the top and then collectively as a school report it. Once that dind't happen and it was swept under the rug is where he went wrong

He doesn't know if its true or not thats why. Letting is slide between the cracks is what made him a bad guy in this case
In my mind--THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT that needs clarification. Someone said to me that it is Joe's legal responsibility (in addition to notifying his superior)to go directly to the authorities with the information that he was given.

I do not know this to be true.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
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I guess that what we call "playing it right".</p>
Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook. Forget about following up with it and making sure wrongs are righted. I guess everyone slept just fine because they alerted someone that multiple kids were being molested. Who cares about stopping it, they told someone right? lol

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:40 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 11:41 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <FONT size=5>suspect and heresay, </FONT>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</P>

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:41 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
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I guess that what we call "playing it right".</P>



Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook. Forget about following up with it and making sure wrongs are righted. I guess everyone slept just fine because they alerted someone that multiple kids were being molested. Who cares about stopping it, they told someone right? lol
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As usual, you get it Lando.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:41 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000ff"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.


dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:43 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.


your getting into semantics

bottom line this guy saw a child get raped <u>and did nothing to stop it or really have the raper held accountable</u>

which makes him an enabler and just as bad as the raper imo
thats simply not true though. he told joe, thinking joe could do something about this because of his long standing reputation. mc was so bothered he called his father and asked him what he should do. going to the cops wouldnt of solved anything, theres no evidence. joe pa and the president of the school are the enablers in my eyes. its easy to say ohh i would of done this or that but we dont know the people involved and the relationships between them.
espn said joe pa will speak on what happen when mc told him later


how is that not true? He saw the rape wtih his own eyes - he didn't go break it up. He LITERALLY could of stopped the rape from happening and chose not to. He'd rather go talk to JP about it like its some halftime adjustment

are u ****in kidding?
now youre making accusations. we dont know if he told him to stop. for all we know he did.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:43 AM
He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this

And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".

Which again, there is no procedure for old men raping kids. You go to the ****ing cops! If the WR coach didn't want to do it then I can't be in his head. The AD or the Finance Director, I can't get in their head either except it's clear they knew the program would be ruined. Joe Pa knew the same thing and that is why they all turned their back to it. Not only did they turn their back to it but they let it continue to happen right under their nose.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 11:43 AM
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
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I just find that appauling. Let's say he was very scared, for whatever reason...and he went to Joe Pa for support....
Obviously he's going to know nothing was done about it after a short while.
Why THEN did he not do anything further? I mean....HOW MUCH INACTION can this guy possibly take?!! it's ****ing disgusting!</P>

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 11:45 AM
Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook.


To me Lando...Morehead...this is what YOU GUYS are saying, and that's why I'm disappointed in you.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:45 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


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No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>




What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

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You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story. So what does Joe Pa do? Informs the AD and then continues his relationship and school activities with a man that a member of his staff just told him was a child rapists.</p>


If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.</p>


The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</p>


honestly, the fact that your trolling today on something this heated is kind of annoying

and by your responses, i would have to think your trolling

What's annoying is your stance on this. MH is just speaking the facts. Trolling, wow!

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:47 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
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Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
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As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
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It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</p>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</p>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</p>




lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******
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I'm actually trying to figure out your position myself. You said that Joe Pa "played it right". Those were your words.</p>


I say he "played it wrong". I say he should have banned the guy from the campus. I say he should have severed his relationship completely. He should have found out who the boy was and talked to the family. He could have done this in a heartbeat. Joe Pa was the most important person in Penn State history. I also say he should have gone to the police, compelled this assistant to talk to the cops as well. He would have with the backing of Paterno.</p>


Do you disagree with any of this Matt or do you stick to your position that he "played it right"? As if its some kind of game.</p>

well thank you, because you have officiall confirmed that skim read or partially read everything i've said the past two days and just went off on your own tangents. Daven and I BOTH have made our positions SUPER clear you just refused to read it.

INTIALLY HE WAS RIGHT - as in he followed protocol for something as serious baout this, he wasn't a witness, he doesn't know it was true, he told his superiors. The only thing we said we agreed wtih is that we agree JP shouldn't of called the cops, RIGHT AWAY. BUT, once he saw going to the higher ups did nothing and they were covering it up - THATS when he should have called the cops or whatever have you.

All of that other **** we agree wtih and have said we agreed wtih multiple times - thats why its confusing that ur not grasping it. Well i guess its not confusing, basically it means ur not reading what we say and ur just talking out of ur ***.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<FONT color=#0000ff> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </FONT>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.


dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA
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It was the Penn State Police. I will tell you, UMass is in Hadley and Amherst,Ma. The Umass police is bigger and much more elite than the police in either town. Penn State is as big or bigger than UMass. This is not speculation. Ny Nephew is a Hadley cop and dated a Umass cop. She was far more experienced and trained.</P>


Everything I said Joe Pa should have done he could have done. If he had, the abuse would have stopped. </P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
but its good to know that if u guys ever see a rape, your going to go weight the pros n cons of stopping it.

<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday?</font>

You say MH is trolling and then you joke about this ****. God forbid it was your cousin in that shower. I can't help but think your stance might be a little different.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook.


To me Lando...Morehead...this is what YOU GUYS are saying, and that's why I'm disappointed in you.


lol how a middle man who gets info telling his superior isn't okay but a witness to it all telling his superior is , is baffling.

names make no difference in this case. We are just pointing out that ur outrage about PAterno is hypocritical because of your stance on MCqueary.

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
This is my outlook on everyones opinions.

Apparently if Lando or Morehead saw a little boy being raped in a bathroom at their place of work...both Lando and Morehead would do nothing in the moment...then Later they would tell their boss about it....then never talk about it follow up or think of it again.

Me and Matt would likely beat the **** out of the guy then in there...or at least keep him confined to the room...but lets say he gets away after that struggle...then me and Matt would tell our Boss about it and go to the Cops immediately afterwards and file a report.

that's what I'm seeing from this conversation and that's why I'm a little disturbed and disappointed in Lando and Morehead.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:51 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</P>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</P>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
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Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</P>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</P>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</P>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <U>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</U>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
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As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</P>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
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It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</P>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</P>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</P>




lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******
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I'm actually trying to figure out your position myself. You said that Joe Pa "played it right". Those were your words.</P>


I say he "played it wrong". I say he should have banned the guy from the campus. I say he should have severed his relationship completely. He should have found out who the boy was and talked to the family. He could have done this in a heartbeat. Joe Pa was the most important person in Penn State history. I also say he should have gone to the police, compelled this assistant to talk to the cops as well. He would have with the backing of Paterno.</P>


Do you disagree with any of this Matt or do you stick to your position that he "played it right"? As if its some kind of game.</P>




well thank you, because you have officiall confirmed that skim read or partially read everything i've said the past two days and just went off on your own tangents. Daven and I BOTH have made our positions SUPER clear you just refused to read it.

INTIALLY HE WAS RIGHT - as in he followed protocol for something as serious baout this, he wasn't a witness, he doesn't know it was true, he told his superiors. The only thing we said we agreed wtih is that we agree JP shouldn't of called the cops, RIGHT AWAY. BUT, once he saw going to the higher ups did nothing and they were covering it up - THATS when he should have called the cops or whatever have you.

All of that other **** we agree wtih and have said we agreed wtih multiple times - thats why its confusing that ur not grasping it. Well i guess its not confusing, basically it means ur not reading what we say and ur just talking out of ur ***.
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If this is truly your position you couldn't be more wrong. After covering his ***, he completely looked the other way for 7 years.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:51 AM
Quite honestly, he knew in part what was happening and allowed business as usual to continue.
Exactly MH. He heard mutlitple reports of abuse from Sandusky on kids and still let the guy have access to the campus. Saw him with other kids and just turned his back like business as usual.
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I guess that what we call "playing it right".</p>
Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook. Forget about following up with it and making sure wrongs are righted. I guess everyone slept just fine because they alerted someone that multiple kids were being molested. Who cares about stopping it, they told someone right? lol


honestly lando ur a ****head along with moorehead

u guys have sat here for the past two days and argued wtih us and not read a word of what we said. What was the point of typing it out to us? Honestly - its clear you have not read a ****in word

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 11:51 AM
but its good to know that if u guys ever see a rape, your going to go weight the pros n cons of stopping it.

<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday?</font>

You say MH is trolling and then you joke about this ****. God forbid it was your cousin in that shower. I can't help but think your stance might be a little different.


You and Morehead are the ones who are being insensitive to the kid here...YOU guys are the ones who are saying it's ok to let him be raped and not report it to the police.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:52 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:53 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>

not to rain on LT's theory but im pretty sure Sandusky was retired by the time this all happened

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:53 AM
This is my outlook on everyones opinions.

Apparently if Lando or Morehead saw a little boy being raped in a bathroom at their place of work...both Lando and Morehead would do nothing in the moment...then Later they would tell their boss about it....then never talk about it follow up or think of it again.

Me and Matt would likely beat the **** out of the guy then in there...or at least keep him confined to the room...but lets say he gets away after that struggle...then me and Matt would tell our Boss about it and go to the Cops immediately afterwards and file a report.

that's what I'm seeing from this conversation and that's why I'm a little disturbed and disappointed in Lando and Morehead.
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Are you drunk? This is personally insulting. I'm sure I speak for Landon on this. </P>


You can crucify the assistant if you want. He also did the wrong thing. We are talking about Joe Pa who let this continue when he had the <U>unique power</U> to stop it.</P>

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:54 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
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And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <U>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </U>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
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No one is giving him a pass. But for some reason you are giving Joe Paterno a pass.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:55 AM
He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this

And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".



YES - for the 44502045802895th time THATS ALSO WHY JP SHOULD GET WHAT HES GETTING.


DAVEN AND I BOTH LITERALLY HAVE SAID THAT OVER 20 TIMES COMBINED.

its frustrating to have this conversation with u guys when ur not reading what we're saying. So yes, i'm even going to throw you in the trolling catagory because if u have to ask me how i feel about those things after the 100 posts i've had the past two days its clear ur arguing just to argue and are not reading anything thats being said

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 11:55 AM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>Thanks for considering. I don't think that Daven &amp; Matt and I(originally) are saying that all is ok just because Joe Pa told his superior.

My saying that is strictly from a legal standpoint...I would assume that by just notifying his senior he would be off the hook for any incompetence or insubordination from the University.

From a human standpoint---Joe was wrong and should have pursued the issue.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:56 AM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
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You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


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No one would suggest he is anywhere near as guilty as the POS who did this. But the bottom line is that he could have prevented further abuse and he turned a blind eye. It was disgraceful.</p>


Whats interesting is that the parents in our group (Me, Lando, NY06 and Byron) think he should be fired, and the non parents (Matt and Scrappy) don't.</p>


Not sure if thats significant or not.</p>




What's interesting is Morehead and Lando at the very least...don't read a word of what anyone is saying and arguing against nothing.

I've never said Paterno doesn't deserve to be fired...he DOES, what I said was that the two who actually witness the act take place and did nothing about it are the ones who should be the target of all this vitriol...Paterno heard a story, those 2 saw it...they are worse..and with that I'm done...because none of you have actually comprehended anything I've said on the topic...you just fly off on tangents that have nothing to do with what I'm saying..and honestly I'm really disappointed in all of you (most of all Morehead) for not being able to have a discussion on this topic..I'm out.

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You keep calling it "a story". Its not "a story". It was a member of his staff telling him that he saw Sandosky raping a boy. Thats not a story. So what does Joe Pa do? Informs the AD and then continues his relationship and school activities with a man that a member of his staff just told him was a child rapists.</p>


If you view is that the assistant is a scumbag? Thats fine. But you seem to be suggesting that Joe Pa is a scapegoat when he has direct involvement in keeping this guy on campus and giving him a platform to continue to abuse children.</p>


The assistant had far less power to do that. It was Joe Pa and Joe Pa alone who is responsible for that.</p>


honestly, the fact that your trolling today on something this heated is kind of annoying

and by your responses, i would have to think your trolling

What's annoying is your stance on this. MH is just speaking the facts. Trolling, wow!


You and Mooreheads rants with not reading what we say is trolling.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 11:57 AM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 11:58 AM
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
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I just find that appauling. Let's say he was very scared, for whatever reason...and he went to Joe Pa for support....
Obviously he's going to know nothing was done about it after a short while.
Why THEN did he not do anything further? I mean....HOW MUCH INACTION can this guy possibly take?!! it's ****ing disgusting!</p>if the school wont do anything, whats he going to do? call the cops and nothing would happen. no proof, no evidence, just accusations and hearsay, just like the mother and bring a media circus to the school and get fired. anything this guy does hes ****ed, am i the only one who see this? i said it before and ill say it again the only thing mcquearys guilty of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. he told his supervisor and saw his supervisor couldnt even do anything.....

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 11:58 AM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000ff"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.


dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA
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It was the Penn State Police. I will tell you, UMass is in Hadley and Amherst,Ma. The Umass police is bigger and much more elite than the police in either town. Penn State is as big or bigger than UMass. This is not speculation. Ny Nephew is a Hadley cop and dated a Umass cop. She was far more experienced and trained.</p>


Everything I said Joe Pa should have done he could have done. If he had, the abuse would have stopped. </p>


well whatever you want to believe moorehead. I left my conspiracy pants at home today. I believe had they called the police that not everybody is a football fan that would cover up a child rape just because the defensive coordinator was the raper

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 11:58 AM
He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this

And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".



YES - for the 44502045802895th time THATS ALSO WHY JP SHOULD GET WHAT HES GETTING.


DAVEN AND I BOTH LITERALLY HAVE SAID THAT OVER 20 TIMES COMBINED.

its frustrating to have this conversation with u guys when ur not reading what we're saying. So yes, i'm even going to throw you in the trolling catagory because if u have to ask me how i feel about those things after the 100 posts i've had the past two days its clear ur arguing just to argue and are not reading anything thats being said


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You said that Joe Pa "played it right". My view is that at no time did he "play it right". He played it wrong from the start. Period.</P>


Thats the difference.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:00 PM
but its good to know that if u guys ever see a rape, your going to go weight the pros n cons of stopping it.

<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday?</font>

You say MH is trolling and then you joke about this ****. God forbid it was your cousin in that shower. I can't help but think your stance might be a little different.


if that was my cousin in the shower. I would of went to MCQueary's house and slit his throat for not stopping it when he had the chance

and that last line was a joke but the first one wasn't. U guys have basically given this guy a pass for not trying to stop it or going to the police and are looking to pass the buck to th ebigger name in JP. Not that JP doesn't deserve his head in the fire for this at the end of the day, but just how ur so willing to overlook and be understanding of this guy is ****in mind boggling. Like literally i'm in shock

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:00 PM
what exactly do u think our opinions are?
That McQueary is at fault the most for not doing anything when he saw it. That Joe went through the right channels when he heard about it. That Sandusky is getting off easy by not taking any heat that Joe Pa is taking. You think that Joe has just as much power as anyone else in this scenario.

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 12:00 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:01 PM
This is my outlook on everyones opinions.

Apparently if Lando or Morehead saw a little boy being raped in a bathroom at their place of work...both Lando and Morehead would do nothing in the moment...then Later they would tell their boss about it....then never talk about it follow up or think of it again.

Me and Matt would likely beat the **** out of the guy then in there...or at least keep him confined to the room...but lets say he gets away after that struggle...then me and Matt would tell our Boss about it and go to the Cops immediately afterwards and file a report.

that's what I'm seeing from this conversation and that's why I'm a little disturbed and disappointed in Lando and Morehead.


mine would be a little different, i would o fcalled the cops right at that moment after i stopped the rape. I would of went right to Joe Pa directly after it all probably

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 12:01 PM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
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I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>

not to rain on LT's theory but im pretty sure Sandusky was retired by the time this all happened
R u serious? That changes alot---if my theory were to be considered in the face of the info that Sandusky was retired --that would leave no alterior motivation on Joe Pas part to not do the right "HUMAN" thing here.

Is it possible that Joe Pa is ALL BUSINESS? Does and thinks nothing at all except his job, coaching and winning? We don't know what goes thru his mind every day? Is it possible that ALL he cares about is his objective as the coach of the team? Everything else is a distraction to him?

I'm not saying it's right, but just sayin...is it possible?

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:02 PM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<FONT color=#0000ff> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </FONT>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.


dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA
</P>


It was the Penn State Police. I will tell you, UMass is in Hadley and Amherst,Ma. The Umass police is bigger and much more elite than the police in either town. Penn State is as big or bigger than UMass. This is not speculation. Ny Nephew is a Hadley cop and dated a Umass cop. She was far more experienced and trained.</P>


Everything I said Joe Pa should have done he could have done. If he had, the abuse would have stopped. </P>





well whatever you want to believe moorehead. I left my conspiracy pants at home today. I believe had they called the police that not everybody is a football fan that would cover up a child rape just because the defensive coordinator was the raper
</P>


Simply calling the police would have been insufficient.</P>


He should have immediately:</P>


1. Contacted the police</P>


2. Dragged the assistant to talk to the police, If the assistant resisted, he should have given the name of the assitant to the police and had them interview him</P>


3. He should have immediately severed his relationship with Sandusky</P>


4. he should have banned Sandusky from the campus.</P>


This would have been "playing it right".</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:03 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.
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Because of his standing, andbecause of his freindship with Sandusky, Paterno had a unique ability to stop future abuse. Having read some of the indictment I see that there is indeed "university police" and he could have completely severed his and the colleges relationship with Sandusky.</p>


He chose not to. Thats not "playing it right". As a product of his inaction, more children were abused.</p>




your lying to urself if u think Joe Paterno had more power to stop future abuse than the eye witness who saw Sandusky with the boy in the shower.

McQueary could of stopped that rape right away and alerted the authorities.
</p>


Could McQueary ban Sandusky from university grounds? Would McQueary's severing his relationship with Sandusky have any impact?</p>


Yes, he could of and should have gone to the police, but he would be taking on the power at PSU. He still should have done it but it would have risked his future there.</p>


Joe Pa had all that power, the power to stop Sandusky in his tracks. he chose not to use it and allow Sandusky to molest more children.</p>




no, McQueary could of got Sandusky arrested. <u>THAT would of gotten him banned from the grounds</u>

OH okay, so its okay for MCQueary's to worry about his job but Joe Pa not to worry about the integrity of something he built for 62 years.; I think both are wrong to worry about either, but thats essentially what you are saying.

If he stopped a rape and called it in right away, as an eye witness, a victim, and a rape kit there would be nothing to fight. It honestly makes me sick how u can be so full of reasons and excuses for the eye witness but be so heated towards Joe Pa

and again, not that I don't think Joe Pa isn't gettting what he deserves
just like the mother got sandusky arrested when she reported it???????


its ALL accusation, no proof. nothing would of stuck to sandusky


an eye witness is the biggest piece of proof that could of happened next to a rape kit... which also could of been achieved had McQueary handled the situation like a man.


If you think a rape kit, eye witness, alive victim, along with Sandusky whose had a history of it would of done nothing, then your out of your mind.

Once McQueary didn't stop it, told someone else, the boy showered, THEN it would of been 1000x rougher to prove
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As I just said, the child was an eye witness, the cops investigated and did nothing. Maybe the fear of the power of the PSU heirarchy prevented the police from acting. Joe Pa being the top of that hierarchy at PSU.</p>




the child was an alleged victim - completely different

a witness, a victim, and a rape kit are COMPLETELY different than just a victim.

oh i get it, PSU owns the state police now. Lay off the bloody mary's in the morning
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It was the "University Police" Matt, not he State police.</p>


No one would suggest that Joe Pa was anywhere near as guilty as Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky will spend the rest of his life in jail where he will get a sample of what he did to those children.</p>


But it is true that at least Paterno was an enabler by not using the substaintial power he had to prevent further abuse. He continued his relationship with Sandusky and allowed the continuance of the college's relationship. He had the power to stop both.</p>




lol okay well if there is a great big grand coverup of people willing to cover the defensive coordinator for raping a kid, then i guess that a risk he would of had to take.

Your being COMPLETELY ridiculous. He could of called the state police. Im pretty sure they aren't claling rent a cops on a rape.

im going to ask u too - give me a summary of what u think me and davens view point on this matter are as well because its just clear that u and lando can't get past ur own emotions to comprehend what we are saying

and if ur trolling, honestly just stop cuz your being an *******
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I'm actually trying to figure out your position myself. You said that Joe Pa "played it right". Those were your words.</p>


I say he "played it wrong". I say he should have banned the guy from the campus. I say he should have severed his relationship completely. He should have found out who the boy was and talked to the family. He could have done this in a heartbeat. Joe Pa was the most important person in Penn State history. I also say he should have gone to the police, compelled this assistant to talk to the cops as well. He would have with the backing of Paterno.</p>


Do you disagree with any of this Matt or do you stick to your position that he "played it right"? As if its some kind of game.</p>




well thank you, because you have officiall confirmed that skim read or partially read everything i've said the past two days and just went off on your own tangents. Daven and I BOTH have made our positions SUPER clear you just refused to read it.

INTIALLY HE WAS RIGHT - as in he followed protocol for something as serious baout this, he wasn't a witness, he doesn't know it was true, he told his superiors. The only thing we said we agreed wtih is that we agree JP shouldn't of called the cops, RIGHT AWAY. BUT, once he saw going to the higher ups did nothing and they were covering it up - THATS when he should have called the cops or whatever have you.

All of that other **** we agree wtih and have said we agreed wtih multiple times - thats why its confusing that ur not grasping it. Well i guess its not confusing, basically it means ur not reading what we say and ur just talking out of ur ***.
</p>


If this is truly your position you couldn't be more wrong. After covering his ***, he completely looked the other way for 7 years.</p>

u lost me, who are u referring to?

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:03 PM
my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party.

If you saw what he saw at your work you would tell your boss and do nothing else?

You really think that is acting accordingly when you hear something that graphic. Come on LT...

<font color="#0000ff">"It
was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at
no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand
jury report," </font>Paterno said in the statement. "<font color="#0000ff">Regardless, it was clear
that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky.</font> As
coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I
referred the matter to university administrators."


JOE PA DIDNT SEE IT!!! Jesus Lando

MCQUEARY SAW IT!!! HE DIDNT STOP IT!!! HE DIDNT REPOT IT TO THE POLICE!!! HE REPOTED IT TO JOE ****ING PATERNO!!!

but ur okay wtih that and take issue with Paterno because hes the bigger name and he didn't go the police, honestly how the **** can these opinions even be coming from ur brain to your fingers to type it.

You have me completely stunned

I am not ok with that at all. Maybe the kid wanted Joe Pa to help him and he trusted him to do the right thing. Maybe he knew his name would be trashed and it would be covered up if he came out by himself so he needed Joes help. Instead everyone turned their back. I can't speak for this kid but he needs to be fired to. Everyone should have gone to the police Matt. Everyone failed these kids.


nobody failed these kids head and shoulders more than McQueary...

maybe its all bull**** and why the **** would this ******* even try to go to the police. Why would he not try to stop the rape from happening. HE SAW IT WITH HIS OWN TWO EYES

are u ****ing kidding me man. How u can be so passive with Mcqueary and so inflamed about JP is insane.



I am not passive with McQueary. He also didn't hear about things happening the first time. Joe Pa had a chance to do something when the Janitor came forward and didn't years before he saw what happened in the shower. Joe had been covering this up before McQueary even knew about it Matt. I don't know why he didn't try to stop it. He was shocked and didn't know what to do I guess. He did what he and his dad thought would be the best thing and tell the guy who matters more at Penn St than arguably anything else. He passed the buck just like Joe did. They both should have spoke up once nothing happened.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:05 PM
This is my outlook on everyones opinions.

Apparently if Lando or Morehead saw a little boy being raped in a bathroom at their place of work...both Lando and Morehead would do nothing in the moment...then Later they would tell their boss about it....then never talk about it follow up or think of it again.

Me and Matt would likely beat the **** out of the guy then in there...or at least keep him confined to the room...but lets say he gets away after that struggle...then me and Matt would tell our Boss about it and go to the Cops immediately afterwards and file a report.

that's what I'm seeing from this conversation and that's why I'm a little disturbed and disappointed in Lando and Morehead.
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Are you drunk? This is personally insulting. I'm sure I speak for Landon on this. </p>


You can crucify the assistant if you want. He also did the wrong thing. We are talking about Joe Pa who let this continue when he had the <u>unique power</u> to stop it.</p>

lol your so long term on this. It could of been handled in that moment. THATS what makes it worse than Joe Pa...

BUT YES, we agree that JP turning his eye on this is what makes him the scumbag and why it makes him guilty, how ar eu not grasping that

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 12:05 PM
but its good to know that if u guys ever see a rape, your going to go weight the pros n cons of stopping it.

<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday?</font>

You say MH is trolling and then you joke about this ****. God forbid it was your cousin in that shower. I can't help but think your stance might be a little different.


if that was my cousin in the shower. I would of went to MCQueary's house and slit his throat for not stopping it when he had the chance

and that last line was a joke but the first one wasn't. U guys have basically given this guy a pass for not trying to stop it or going to the police and are looking to pass the buck to th ebigger name in JP. Not that JP doesn't deserve his head in the fire for this at the end of the day, but just how ur so willing to overlook and be understanding of this guy is ****in mind boggling. Like literally i'm in shock


<font color="#ff0000">You guys free to babysit saturday? ---lmao

<font color="#000000">I don't mean to make any light of it, that was funny.

This is clearly a passionate subject for all of us. It's comforting to know that we are all good people enough to care to debate the topic.</font>
</font>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:06 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
</p>


No one is giving him a pass. But for some reason you are giving Joe Paterno a pass.</p>

how u can think we're givng JP a pass is why i think ur trolling. Out of the countless paragraphs typed thats why i think ur trolling and u cna't be serious

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:07 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:07 PM
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.
</p>


I just find that appauling. Let's say he was very scared, for whatever reason...and he went to Joe Pa for support....
Obviously he's going to know nothing was done about it after a short while.
Why THEN did he not do anything further? I mean....HOW MUCH INACTION can this guy possibly take?!! it's ****ing disgusting!</p>if the school wont do anything, whats he going to do? call the cops and nothing would happen. no proof, no evidence, just accusations and hearsay, just like the mother and bring a media circus to the school and get fired. anything this guy does hes ****ed, am i the only one who see this? i said it before and ill say it again the only thing mcquearys guilty of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. he told his supervisor and saw his supervisor couldnt even do anything.....


he should of broke it up and called in that moment

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:07 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

</P>


Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?</P>


We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children. I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do.</P>


I just spelled out what I think he should have done immediately. Do you disagree with any of that?</P>


Either way....go **** yourself.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:08 PM
He followed procedure but then once he saw nothing be done he **** the bed and thats why he deserves to get whatever he gets out of this

And what about still letting the guy on campus with kids? Still going to charity work with the guy knowing what he did? Still supporting a child molester? Letting future kids get abused and still say/do nothing? It goes much deeper than not talking to the cops Matt or "following procedure".



YES - for the 44502045802895th time THATS ALSO WHY JP SHOULD GET WHAT HES GETTING.


DAVEN AND I BOTH LITERALLY HAVE SAID THAT OVER 20 TIMES COMBINED.

its frustrating to have this conversation with u guys when ur not reading what we're saying. So yes, i'm even going to throw you in the trolling catagory because if u have to ask me how i feel about those things after the 100 posts i've had the past two days its clear ur arguing just to argue and are not reading anything thats being said


</p>



</p>

further proving u've read our first sentences and then haven't read anything else - tell me im wrong</p>



</p>


</p>


You said that Joe Pa "played it right". My view is that at no time did he "play it right". He played it wrong from the start. Period.</p>


Thats the difference.</p>

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 12:09 PM
[

Simply calling the police would have been insufficient.</p>


He should have immediately:</p>


1. Contacted the police</p>


2. Dragged the assistant to talk to the police, If the assistant resisted, he should have given the name of the assitant to the police and had them interview him</p>


3. He should have immediately severed his relationship with Sandusky</p>


4. he should have banned Sandusky from the campus.</p>


This would have been "playing it right".</p>

All of that based upon hearsay...yeah...that's playing it right...my ****ing ***, the ones that deserve the beat down are the ones who witnessed the act and didn't go to the cops themselves....is Joe Pa squeaky clean? no not at all, but compared to Calhoun and McQueary he's a god damn saint in this situation.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:09 PM
The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.



WHY?


because his job was to report it to the top and then collectively as a school report it. Once that dind't happen and it was swept under the rug is where he went wrong

He doesn't know if its true or not thats why. Letting is slide between the cracks is what made him a bad guy in this case

Exactly, which is why he is just as bad as everyone else.

Like I said earlier, had Joe Pa seen Sandusky raping that kid. I think the same thing would have happened. I think it's irrelevant he didn't see it. Even Joe admitted he knew something was really wrong and McQueary was visibly very upset with what he saw. He admitted he wished he had done more. He admits he handled it very wrong. He tried to save his football program and let multiple kids be abused to let that happen. How Joe Pa could even look at that guy and conduct business with him after hearing about what he did is ****ing gross. Then to see him with multiple more kids on the facilities by himself and still say nothing....

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:09 PM
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/RB-Frank-Gore-Interview/7bd25df3-c039-4a4c-9f2c-6bfe274bb52b

seems like a stand up guy

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:10 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <FONT color=#0000ff>It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</FONT></P>


You can't be serious?</P>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </P>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</P>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</P>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <U>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </U>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
</P>


No one is giving him a pass. But for some reason you are giving Joe Paterno a pass.</P>




how u can think we're givng JP a pass is why i think ur trolling. Out of the countless paragraphs typed thats why i think ur trolling and u cna't be serious
</P>


Because you said that he "played it right at first". I'm saying he didn't at all. BTW, he waited almost two weeks to report it to the AD. I just said what he should have done immediately.</P>


I assume you disagree. And there lies our debate.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:12 PM
what exactly do u think our opinions are?
That McQueary is at fault the most for not doing anything when he saw it. That Joe went through the right channels when he heard about it. That Sandusky is getting off easy by not taking any heat that Joe Pa is taking. You think that Joe has just as much power as anyone else in this scenario.


yes

yes - initially. But once nothing was done for him to turn a blind eye it makes him just as much as a villian as the AD.

no - that MCQUEARY is getting off easy is my argument. McQueary and JP essentially did the same exact things in this. The difference? McQueary saw it with his own two eyes and could of stopped it and Paterno was just somebody who had it told to him. Then JP is a legend and McQueary isn't.

They both turned a blind eye, both didn't call the cops, but McQueary also dind't physically stop it when he could have and he was the eye witness

yes- JP doesn't have any more or less power than anybody else when reporting a rape to the police.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:12 PM
<font color="#0000FF" size="4">Helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. </font>

For someone of Joe Pa's beliefs and standards is unreal.

He is held to a higher accountability than anyone Matt. He knew it happened and did nothing, then let it continue to happen to 6 more boys that we know of while still supporting his charity and befriending the man on almost a daily basis.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:13 PM
LT's turing 180 degrees now--I am completely off balance and can longer think objectively.

I can't get past first few pages....very disturbing. I am having trouble separating my emotions from my decision now--leave that for the courtroom. Everyone involved should be fried to the fullest extent.

Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven. I think your opinion will be changed about the people involved once you read it.


Everyone covered it up to save the football program. The reason why Joe Pa takes more heat than anyone is because of who he is, what he stands for and what a larger than life figure he is on campus.
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before i do that i want a response from you:

what exactly do u think our opinions are?
This is entirely <font size="5">suspect and heresay, </font>but I did consider the fact that Joe Pa liked what he had in Sandusky as a defensive co-ordinator, not enough to not report the incident, but perhaps enough to not to follow up on the case. If this true, helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. That is purely disgusting.
</p>


I suppose it's possible. but that's a hard theory to swallow.
I'm more apt to believe that Joe Pa just assumed he did the right thing by only telling his superiors. which as I have stated, I think is awful. but whatever....old news at this point =\</p>

not to rain on LT's theory but im pretty sure Sandusky was retired by the time this all happened
R u serious? That changes alot---if my theory were to be considered in the face of the info that Sandusky was retired --that would leave no alterior motivation on Joe Pas part to not do the right "HUMAN" thing here.

Is it possible that Joe Pa is ALL BUSINESS? Does and thinks nothing at all except his job, coaching and winning? We don't know what goes thru his mind every day? Is it possible that ALL he cares about is his objective as the coach of the team? Everything else is a distraction to him?

I'm not saying it's right, but just sayin...is it possible?


def possible

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:13 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
youre making accusations again. we DONT KNOW what he did when he witnessed or heard it. all we know is he told joe.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:14 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.

Not according to Matt and Daven. It's just policies and procedures.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:14 PM
the fact that u suggest that in this instance Joe Pa had anymore type of power or pull with reporting a rape case is dilusional

OMG Matt!!! You don't think Joe Pa's word holds more weight than a Janitor or WR's coach. You are delusional bro. They could slander the name of the coach and the Janitor. Joe Pa's name coming forward would make everyone act different.


Did you read the indictment? If not, you should...

Don't get me wrong, the coach told the AD, Joe Pa and the Finance Director. All 4 people failed to report anything and they all let it get swept under the rug. Joe Pa is held to a higher moral responsibility for everything he stood for and the things he built at Penn St. If it was one of his grandkids in the shower you can bet your *** he would have said something.


no... it doesn't

if u want to go to the cops to report a rape<font color="#0000ff"> i don't think Joe Pa would of had more credibility than an eye witness </font>- i don't care how much hes beloved...

So talking to an investigator at the police stations which has more weight:

A) And eye witness

B) or some old guy who somebody told him what happened

this is the court of law, this isn't TV

I could not disagree more. You have to go deeper, it is easy for someone to tarnish that guy and make him seem like he is lying. You can't do that to Joe Pa. His name and word is like God there.

As far as B - He is not some old guy, he is Thee Man there. Plus it would not have been one or the other. It would have been both of them together therefore concreting the claims and acts witnessed. Plus it was the 2nd time someone reported and the 2nd time of Joe Pa hearing about it.


dude hes a god AT PENN STATE lol

how insane is this, the police is not penn state

your acting like Penn State is Cuba or something and if this happened there and McQueary called the US Embassey they couldn't do anything

Its a ****in college. They hav eno bearing about a rape. That goes to the law, PENN STATE IS NOT THE LAW AND JOE PATERNO IS NOT OBAMA
</p>


It was the Penn State Police. I will tell you, UMass is in Hadley and Amherst,Ma. The Umass police is bigger and much more elite than the police in either town. Penn State is as big or bigger than UMass. This is not speculation. Ny Nephew is a Hadley cop and dated a Umass cop. She was far more experienced and trained.</p>


Everything I said Joe Pa should have done he could have done. If he had, the abuse would have stopped. </p>





well whatever you want to believe moorehead. I left my conspiracy pants at home today. I believe had they called the police that not everybody is a football fan that would cover up a child rape just because the defensive coordinator was the raper
</p>


Simply calling the police would have been insufficient.</p>


He should have immediately:</p>


1. Contacted the police</p>


2. Dragged the assistant to talk to the police, If the assistant resisted, he should have given the name of the assitant to the police and had them interview him</p>


3. He should have immediately severed his relationship with Sandusky</p>


4. he should have banned Sandusky from the campus.</p>


This would have been "playing it right".</p>

i was referring to McQueary calling the police. I am not one to have much faith in cops, the law, or people in general - but i'm willing to go out on the limb and say if MCqueary went and broke up the rape and dialed his cell phone to notify the cops that they wouldn't of covered it up because of Joe Paterno.

As somebody who IS paranoid and into conspiracy theories, i think your being dramatic

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?

Because you are defending the people who should have stopped it right then and there...you are shifting blame to Joe Pa...who I've already admitted a million times yes should have done more, but obviously the real ****bags here are the ones who could have stopped it right then and there and choose not to, why are you defending them?




We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children.</p>

No doubt, and he did handle it correctly at first by reporting it to the AD...considering all he had was hearsay, after nothing came of it, yes he should have went further.
</p>


</p>


I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. </p>

Could have fooled me the way you are defending the witnesses every god damn chance you get.
</p>


</p>


But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do. </p>

No that's not what we are talking about, what we are talking about is how the witnesses should have done everything in their power to stop this...it should have been handled before the child left the building with Sandusky that day/night.
</p>


</p>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

</p>


Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?</p>


We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children. I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do.</p>


I just spelled out what I think he should have done immediately. Do you disagree with any of that?</p>


Either way....go **** yourself.</p>

its coming off that u find McQueary no more or less guilty than JP and thats really burning us. JP didn't visually see anything and as disgusting as all his acts were he wasn't the one that didn't stop the rape. JP deserves his, we all agree on that. Whether we think he should of called the cops when McQueary came into his office is moot.

BUT, the level of hate you should have for McQueary should far surpass JP.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:17 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:18 PM
The first thing he should have done was notify the police, and then speak to his superiors. A crime was commited...

I disagree. It wans't his place to notify the authorities initially.



WHY?


because his job was to report it to the top and then collectively as a school report it. Once that dind't happen and it was swept under the rug is where he went wrong

He doesn't know if its true or not thats why. Letting is slide between the cracks is what made him a bad guy in this case

Exactly, which is why he is just as bad as everyone else.

Like I said earlier, had Joe Pa seen Sandusky raping that kid. I think the same thing would have happened. I think it's irrelevant he didn't see it. Even Joe admitted he knew something was really wrong and McQueary was visibly very upset with what he saw. He admitted he wished he had done more. He admits he handled it very wrong. He tried to save his football program and let multiple kids be abused to let that happen. How Joe Pa could even look at that guy and conduct business with him after hearing about what he did is ****ing gross. Then to see him with multiple more kids on the facilities by himself and still say nothing....


everyone else in general

McQueary let it get swept under the rug, hes the one that dind't go the police either - same as JP

But he also DIDNT PHYSICALLY stop the rape and he was the EYE WITNESS. Theres no argument between the value of seeing something with ur own eyes and second hand hearing about it. Your trying to make the connection that they are equally as bad and thats not true.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:19 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>



This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
</p>


No one is giving him a pass. But for some reason you are giving Joe Paterno a pass.</p>




how u can think we're givng JP a pass is why i think ur trolling. Out of the countless paragraphs typed thats why i think ur trolling and u cna't be serious
</p>


Because you said that he "played it right at first". I'm saying he didn't at all. BTW, he waited almost two weeks to report it to the AD. I just said what he should have done immediately.</p>


I assume you disagree. And there lies our debate.</p>

okay that is where our debate lies - but how does that translate into us giving JP a pass? I don't get it

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Well Matt and Daven do.

I guess they think as long as you tell someone you're off the hook.


To me Lando...Morehead...this is what YOU GUYS are saying, and that's why I'm disappointed in you.

And you think we don't get your argument? lol

We could not be saying anything farther from that.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:21 PM
<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Helpless kids getting raped was not as high of a priority as his team winning. </font>

For someone of Joe Pa's beliefs and standards is unreal.

He is held to a higher accountability than anyone Matt. He knew it happened and did nothing, then let it continue to happen to 6 more boys that we know of while still supporting his charity and befriending the man on almost a daily basis.



thats bull****

no human is held more accountable than another when it comes to somebody viewing a rape oppose to somebody hearing about a rape.

So your saying I should hold Tom Coughlin more accountable than you? Well I don't thats horse****

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:22 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.


LOL u give McQueary a pass from walking away from a kid getting raped

great stuff
youre making accusations again. we DONT KNOW what he did when he witnessed or heard it. all we know is he told joe.


there was actually zero repots that he stopped it and that he walked away. I have read that a couple of times so until that changes, we're going to go wtih that. Multiple people are also making this arguement within the media. So if we're going by what the media says then this is in play

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:23 PM
So Paterno is no more. I think he would of coached until he dropped, wild horses were not going to pull him out of there. <font color="#0000ff">It's a shame, they should of allowed him a press conference, resign and step down that way.
</font></p>


You can't be serious?</p>


They could not have fired him quick enough. </p>




u do realize he wasn't the one who actually raped the kid and he wasn't the one the witnessed the rape, chose not to stop it, and never went to the police --- right?


I know nothing he says or does will take away the pain and harm that came to those kids, but my opinion is that he acted accordingly by notifying his superior of the incident that he was made aware of by another party. Where he failed was by not following up on the progress of the case with his superiors or the authorities.
</p>


And continuing to work with him until 2009. A guy he was told by two sources was molesting children. You don't see a problem with that?</p>
This ****ing devil Sandusky was in the building LAST WEEK! They all knew what he did and did nothing to help future kids. They saw him with more kids and did nothing. Everyone turned their back to it.


im gonna tell you right now becuase its apparent that you and moorehead have no clue what we are actually saying - just by that response

please ask questions instead of making statements to us, because this is beyond ridiculous now. Im going to chalk it up that this situation has you so emotional that it is holding u back from reading and grasping what is actually said.

All we argued was that right away, Joe Pa no calling the police was actually a reasonable response. What he did after that letting it die and turning a blind eye is why he should be fired and berated for it. But the fact that you guys are even fixated on it because of his name is actually ****in gross to read. Your feeding into media bull**** just because hes the biggest name. How you can kill Paterno for JUST telling his superior, but then give McQueary a pass for JUST telling his superior when he could of physically stopped it from happening just shows how illogical your thinking is. Your honestly a media drone iwth that.

Your outrage is that a kid was raped, but ur taking more issue with the politics of it than the fact that the EYE WITNESS did NOTHING to stop it and didn't alert THE REAL AUTHORITIES?!

I don't care HOWWWW much Joe Pa is regarded around Penn st, hes not the ****ing law.

Who said I gave McQueary a pass? I don't, he is just as bad as Joe Pa. <u>After the kid saw what he did he went to his office and called his dad. His dad told him to go home. His dad and him decided it would be best to contact Paterno. He told Paterno he saw Sandusky fondling a boy in the showers and doing inappropriate things to him. </u>A week and a 1/2 later the coach met with the AD and the Finance Director and told them what he saw in the shower. Then a few weeks later they told him that Sandusky had his keys taken and would not be allowed to use the facilities anymore and that it was reported to his charity. No cops ever talked to him and nothing ever happened. Then they just let it keep happening for 8 more years. Schulz and the AD also lied to a grand jury. He said the allegations were not that serious and he had no indication a crime had occurred.

This was the 2nd time in 4 years that everyone heard about this coach molesting boys and no one did anything. They let him keep coming around and that is even more sick. They said banning Sandusky from bringing children on campus was unforceable. They all broke the law by not reporting it. Even Joe himself.
this is why i dont point a finger at mcqueary. it obviously bothered him a great deal, he just didnt know how to handle the situation. it not like people walk in on a situation like this everyday.

Not according to Matt and Daven. It's just policies and procedures.


yea not according to us. We are human enough to know that the way to handle it was to break it up and alert the authorities

crazy us

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:24 PM
Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?

Because you are defending the people who should have stopped it right then and there...you are shifting blame to Joe Pa...who I've already admitted a million times yes should have done more, but obviously the real ****bags here are the ones who could have stopped it right then and there and choose not to, why are you defending them?




We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children.</P>


No doubt, and he did handle it correctly at first by reporting it to the AD...considering all he had was hearsay, after nothing came of it, yes he should have went further.
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</P>



I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. </P>


Could have fooled me the way you are defending the witnesses every god damn chance you get.
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</P>



But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do. </P>


No that's not what we are talking about, what we are talking about is how the witnesses should have done everything in their power to stop this...it should have been handled before the child left the building with Sandusky that day/night.
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Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.</P>


It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4.</P>


I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.</P>


If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead.</P>


But its not what this debate is about.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:25 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?

Because you are defending the people who should have stopped it right then and there...you are shifting blame to Joe Pa...who I've already admitted a million times yes should have done more, but obviously the real ****bags here are the ones who could have stopped it right then and there and choose not to, why are you defending them?




We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children.</p>


No doubt, and he did handle it correctly at first by reporting it to the AD...considering all he had was hearsay, after nothing came of it, yes he should have went further.
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</p>



I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. </p>


Could have fooled me the way you are defending the witnesses every god damn chance you get.
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</p>



But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do. </p>


No that's not what we are talking about, what we are talking about is how the witnesses should have done everything in their power to stop this...it should have been handled before the child left the building with Sandusky that day/night.
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</p>


Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.</p>


It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4.</p>


I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.</p>


If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead.</p>


But its not what this debate is about.</p>

again your wrong. I started this debate about how even though JP ended up ****ting the bed that how everybody could be enamored on the big name of this and not be looking to kill MCQueary is baffling.

The side argument came about initially if he should of called the cops or not - but thats not what this was about.

I actually agree with your list but honestly half that stuff actually was their solution. The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.

Just curious why are u not killing the charity on this as well? Penn State said the notified the charity of these charges and they still let him take the kids?

Well then you joined this conversation late and missed what it was actually about

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:33 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


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An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</P>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</P>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</P>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</P>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</P>

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:34 PM
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ewww
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bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. Just as much at fault. Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The kick return job now reportedly belongs to DJ Ware and DaRel Scott.</span></h6>


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ewww
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no love for darell ? I likey

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?

Because you are defending the people who should have stopped it right then and there...you are shifting blame to Joe Pa...who I've already admitted a million times yes should have done more, but obviously the real ****bags here are the ones who could have stopped it right then and there and choose not to, why are you defending them?




We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children.</P>


No doubt, and he did handle it correctly at first by reporting it to the AD...considering all he had was hearsay, after nothing came of it, yes he should have went further.
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</P>



I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. </P>


Could have fooled me the way you are defending the witnesses every god damn chance you get.
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</P>



But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do. </P>


No that's not what we are talking about, what we are talking about is how the witnesses should have done everything in their power to stop this...it should have been handled before the child left the building with Sandusky that day/night.
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</P>


Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.</P>


It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4.</P>


I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.</P>


If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead.</P>


But its not what this debate is about.</P>




again your wrong. I started this debate about how even though JP ended up ****ting the bed that how everybody could be enamored on the big name of this and not be looking to kill MCQueary is baffling.

The side argument came about initially if he should of called the cops or not - but thats not what this was about.

I actually agree with your list but honestly half that stuff actually was their solution. The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.

Just curious why are u not killing the charity on this as well? Penn State said the notified the charity of these charges and they still let him take the kids?

Well then you joined this conversation late and missed what it was actually about

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Well thats not what I'm arguing about. Nor is it what you are arguing either. You have spent 90% plus of your posts talking about Joe Paterno exclusively.</P>


This entire story is what it is because of Joe Paterno. Its all about Paterno and thats what I'm arguing about. If you want to kill a dementiated janitor and a pathetic former assistant, go ahead, thats fine with me. But it has nothing to do with my argument.</P>

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:39 PM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">The kick return job now reportedly belongs to DJ Ware and DaRel Scott.</span></h6>


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ewww
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no love for darell ? I likey
im expecting big things for scott. its dj im ewing. guys sloooow. although scotts muffs (think he had two) from preseason worry me a bit.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:39 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
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McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!
this^^^^^^^^^^^

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>

Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.

No Morehead...It's not and it never has been.







It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4. I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead. But its not what this debate is about.</p>


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The Debate is about whose to blame for letting this ******* walk for 10+ years after people became away of his actions, Joe Pa. is a MAN just as Calhoun and McQueary are, their "status" makes no difference when it comes to this.</p>Calhoun and McQueary saw this take place in front of their eyes they had FIRST hand knowledge, therefore their responsibility to make sure the man is brought to justice is higher then Joe Paterno's who privy to SECOND hand knowledge of it.

And you continued defense of Calhoun and McQueary is really pissing me off.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:46 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka, the NFC Defensive Player of the Week,


yaaaaaay!

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?

Because you are defending the people who should have stopped it right then and there...you are shifting blame to Joe Pa...who I've already admitted a million times yes should have done more, but obviously the real ****bags here are the ones who could have stopped it right then and there and choose not to, why are you defending them?




We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children.</p>


No doubt, and he did handle it correctly at first by reporting it to the AD...considering all he had was hearsay, after nothing came of it, yes he should have went further.
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</p>



I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. </p>


Could have fooled me the way you are defending the witnesses every god damn chance you get.
</p>



</p>



But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do. </p>


No that's not what we are talking about, what we are talking about is how the witnesses should have done everything in their power to stop this...it should have been handled before the child left the building with Sandusky that day/night.
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</p>



</p>


Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.</p>


It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4.</p>


I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.</p>


If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead.</p>


But its not what this debate is about.</p>




again your wrong. I started this debate about how even though JP ended up ****ting the bed that how everybody could be enamored on the big name of this and not be looking to kill MCQueary is baffling.

The side argument came about initially if he should of called the cops or not - but thats not what this was about.

I actually agree with your list but honestly half that stuff actually was their solution. The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.

Just curious why are u not killing the charity on this as well? Penn State said the notified the charity of these charges and they still let him take the kids?

Well then you joined this conversation late and missed what it was actually about

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Well thats not what I'm arguing about. Nor is it what you are arguing either. You have spent 90% plus of your posts talking about Joe Paterno exclusively.</p>


This entire story is what it is because of Joe Paterno. Its all about Paterno and thats what I'm arguing about. If you want to kill a dementiated janitor and a pathetic former assistant, go ahead, thats fine with me. But it has nothing to do with my argument.</p>

your right i have --- in compare and contrast to McQueary who i started this whole debate over

And thats why im saying ur being victims of being media *****s. JP is the big name in this so hes getting the media attention. If u think hes just as or more guilty of McQueary then i think ur ****in insane.

AGain, thats not to say the JP isn't guitly and disgusting in his own right

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:48 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

</p>


Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?</p>


We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children. I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do.</p>


I just spelled out what I think he should have done immediately. Do you disagree with any of that?</p>


Either way....go **** yourself.</p>

its coming off that u find McQueary no more or less guilty than JP and thats really burning us. JP didn't visually see anything and as disgusting as all his acts were he wasn't the one that didn't stop the rape. JP deserves his, we all agree on that. Whether we think he should of called the cops when McQueary came into his office is moot.

BUT, the level of hate you should have for McQueary should far surpass JP.

Once McQueary told Joe Pa he had just as much responsibility to make sure it stopped and the authorities to be alerted. Joe knew the guy and saw how distraught he was. It was not like he had any question whether it happened or not. He admitted that. Joe did the exact same thing McQueary did, he just didn't see it. Not only that...

but Joe already knew it happened once before when the Janitor reported it and did nothing. You guys never mention that. This was the 2nd time he heard about it and did nothing the first time either. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:49 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!


this ain't the movies...

if somebody reports a rape, somebody reports a rape.

Had mCqueary stopped it and called the cops at the moment, there would of been NO WAY there was any wiggle room. Its like your suggesting that any rape isn't taken serious unless a celebrity calls it in. Your stance on this is literally insane

Are you really comparing jordan teaching me a jumpshot to a football caoch reporting a rape?

That literally makes ZERO sense.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:50 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!
this^^^^^^^^^^^



well read my response to that

because its moronic

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 12:50 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because <u>McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.</u>
no hes not! the school board or whatever have the power to remove the scumbag perminately from the campus, and their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:51 PM
Daven, this debate is about what the responsibilities of Joe Paterno were in this situation.

No Morehead...It's not and it never has been.




It seems that you and Matt think that simply reporting to the AD was enough, at least at first. I say at first there were a number of other things he should have done and didn't.I numbered them 1 thru 4.</p>


I'm not arguing about what the janitor or the assistant should have done. they are nothing to me. I've been watching Joe Pa for well over 40 years. Its his cupability that I am interested in and its his culpability that this debate is about.</p>


If you want ot hang the dementiated janitor and the pathetic assistant from the highest tree,..go ahead.</p>


But its not what this debate is about.</p>


</p>

The Debate is about whose to blame for letting this ******* walk for 10+ years after people became away of his actions, Joe Pa. is a MAN just as Calhoun and McQueary are, their "status" makes no difference when it comes to this.</p>Calhoun and McQueary saw this take place in front of their eyes they had FIRST hand knowledge, therefore their responsibility to make sure the man is brought to justice is higher then Joe Paterno's who privy to SECOND hand knowledge of it.

And you continued defense of Calhoun and McQueary is really pissing me off.

me and u are starting to split with some specific points

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:53 PM
Theres no argument between the value of seeing something with ur own eyes and second hand hearing about it. Your trying to make the connection that they are equally as bad and thats not true.

Maybe, guess it depends on how much you trust the person telling you and how upset they are?

If some Bob off the road tells you then yea, not even close. If a good friend or co-worker that you trust with your family comes to you visibly shaken and very upset then I disagree.

As far as I'm concerned, Joe may as well of seen it himself. He would have done nothing different. For all we know he might not have said anything to anyone. Maybe the only reason he said something is because McQueary came to him about it and he felt he had to.

Also, this all could have been stopped the first time when the Janitor saw it. It got covered up then to and they ruined that Janitors life. No charges were ever filed and that guy went crazy from what he saw.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:54 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.

</p>


Why would any reasonable person believe that we would think their behavior was OK?</p>


We have just argued that Joe Pa could have and should have done everything he could to prevent a child molester from abusing more children. I have no support in any way for witnesses to a horrific crime like this not doing everything to stop it. But we are talking about what Joe Paterno did or didn't do.</p>


I just spelled out what I think he should have done immediately. Do you disagree with any of that?</p>


Either way....go **** yourself.</p>

its coming off that u find McQueary no more or less guilty than JP and thats really burning us. JP didn't visually see anything and as disgusting as all his acts were he wasn't the one that didn't stop the rape. JP deserves his, we all agree on that. Whether we think he should of called the cops when McQueary came into his office is moot.

BUT, the level of hate you should have for McQueary should far surpass JP.

Once McQueary told Joe Pa he had just as much responsibility to make sure it stopped and the authorities to be alerted. Joe knew the guy and saw how distraught he was. It was not like he had any question whether it happened or not. He admitted that. Joe did the exact same thing McQueary did, he just didn't see it. Not only that...

but Joe already knew it happened once before when the Janitor reported it and did nothing. You guys never mention that. This was the 2nd time he heard about it and did nothing the first time either. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.


your living in a fairy tale world

For the same reasons that u disagree with us about whether JP should have called the cops right away, applies to our theories on McQueary.

He should of never turned his back to the rape and he should of never gone to JP, he should of went to the police. How u can give McQueary a pass for not going to the police but condemn JP for it is the flaw in ur logic that is insane.

JP wasnt' a witness, McQueary was

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:57 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because <u>McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.</u>
no hes not! the school board or whatever have the power to remove the scumbag perminately from the campus, and their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.


LOL your a ****in fool

How would that conversation with the police go?

JP: MCqueary came to my office and told me this rape happened.

That would be the extent of it, then the ywould of talked to McQueary.

and this guy rapes a child and your worrying about if hes on campus or not? WTF is wrong with u guys? Who the **** cares., he should of been in cuffs within the hour of McQueary cathcing him.

MCQearuy covered it up just as long and turned his head and still worked at Penn state and saw Sandusky all the time. Only difference is that in the court of law if they are on trial, McQueary's testimony would put Sundusky away.

Its amazing, ur making MCQeuary out to be some crack addict living on the streets to where if he reported this he wouldn't be taken serious

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 12:57 PM
<div class="report">


Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) was not participating in Giants practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
At this point, it's hard to see Bradshaw playing
against the 49ers Sunday. Original reports from the Giants beat writers
had Bradshaw out "at least several weeks." This Sunday marks just two
weeks since he aggravated his recurring foot issues. We can pencil in
Brandon Jacobs as a weak RB2 in a brutal matchup for now.
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MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 12:58 PM
Theres no argument between the value of seeing something with ur own eyes and second hand hearing about it. Your trying to make the connection that they are equally as bad and thats not true.

Maybe, guess it depends on how much you trust the person telling you and how upset they are?

If some Bob off the road tells you then yea, not even close. If a good friend or co-worker that you trust with your family comes to you visibly shaken and very upset then I disagree.

As far as I'm concerned, Joe may as well of seen it himself. He would have done nothing different. For all we know he might not have said anything to anyone. Maybe the only reason he said something is because McQueary came to him about it and he felt he had to.

Also, this all could have been stopped the first time when the Janitor saw it. It got covered up then to and they ruined that Janitors life. No charges were ever filed and that guy went crazy from what he saw.


are people not actors in this world? No matter HOW much you believe them you still won't know 100% because you were not there. Im sorry but thats not even arguable

What if somebody u work with tells you about a close friend of yours for 40 years? Does that pass your logic?

Well as far as your concerned, thats why im saying ur being emotional with hindsight because your not being realistic and logical. Either way, he didn't see it himself and u can't over loook or down play that. The first question in my head if I was JP is why would this guy not go to the police with, why is he in my office.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:00 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?



Not at all, my fav player is Kobe. You remember that right? lol

You think the case might have been a little different if Phil Jackson said the girl came to him and said what Kobe did to her?

Imagine if someone in a gigantic position of power had stood up with her/him?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:00 PM
<div class="report">


Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) was not participating in Giants practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
At this point, it's hard to see Bradshaw playing
against the 49ers Sunday. Original reports from the Giants beat writers
had Bradshaw out "at least several weeks." This Sunday marks just two
weeks since he aggravated his recurring foot issues. We can pencil in
Brandon Jacobs as a weak RB2 in a brutal matchup for now.
</div>

told ya man, don't expect to see him fo r awhile I'll know for sure today. Im actually going to see "my guy"

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:02 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:04 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?



Not at all, my fav player is Kobe. You remember that right? lol

You think the case might have been a little different if Phil Jackson said the girl came to him and said what Kobe did to her?

Imagine if someone in a gigantic position of power had stood up with her/him?


lol what if he did and he was wrong? I mean hwat more did Phill bring to the table other then he said "THATS WHAT THE GIRL TOLD HIM". Either way there would of been an investigation on the matter. Phil's testimony that the girl did tell him that woulnd't of carried the case anywhere! What do u think it would have done?

Also theres a huge difference in a case of having a victim vs having a victim and an eye witness.

JPizzack
11-10-2011, 01:05 PM
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no love for darell ? I likey
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I think it's a good idea. Thomas is ok, but it doesnt hurt to see if someone else can produce.</P>

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:05 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</P>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</P>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</P>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</P>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</P>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</P>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</P>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</P>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</P>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had direct knowledge of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</P>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </P>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused. </P>


I understand that it seems in your view Paterno couldn't go to the bathroom by himself and therefore isn't responsible. I guess at least. I'm not really sure. You've made so many comments like "he was just a mascot" so I'm really not sure. Your view is that Joe Paterno has no power at all at PSU and therefore has no power with the PSU police.</P>


I think that is completely silly. No one at PSU would ever believe that. No one has ever had any more power at PSU than Paterno.</P>


While no one can know exactly what was in his mind (I guess you think its just moosh) it is reasonable to believe that he knew this guy was doing this (he heard it from more than one source) he did the bare minimum about it to cover his *** and then continued as if nothing had happened. All while more kids were being abused by this monster Sandusky. And did this to protect the program or his own standing. Again no one can know.</P>


At the least Joe Paterno was an enabler. And that falls far short of the expectations anyone ever had of him.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:05 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.


ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.


ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore


</P>


The bottom line is that Joe Paterno DID NOT "play it right" at first, which was your argument.</P>


At least not in my view.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:11 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</p>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had direct knowledge of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused. </p>


I understand that it seems in your view Paterno couldn't go to the bathroom by himself and therefore isn't responsible. I guess at least. I'm not really sure. You've made so many comments like "he was just a mascot" so I'm really not sure. Your view is that Joe Paterno has no power at all at PSU and therefore has no power with the PSU police.</p>


I think that is completely silly. No one at PSU would ever believe that. No one has ever had any more power at PSU than Paterno.</p>


While no one can know exactly what was in his mind (I guess you think its just moosh) it is reasonable to believe that he knew this guy was doing this (he heard it from more than one source) he did the bare minimum about it to cover his *** and then continued as if nothing had happened. All while more kids were being abused by this monster Sandusky. And did this to protect the program or his own standing. Again no one can know.</p>


At the least Joe Paterno was an enabler. And that falls far short of the expectations anyone ever had of him.</p>

I think in a WAY hes being a media scape goat becausae I can't fathom how hes the bigger story and McQueary isn't. Thats the only way i consider him a scapegoat. The way we're talking about him being the big story and MCQueary isn't

I DO think he deserves to be fired and get punished in however way he deserves.

I agree Paterno enabled. Like I said initially not calling the cops, i agree with. PErsonally I think the AD should of been called in right away when McQueary came to JP they should of sat down and game planned how they are going to handle things. The fact it took a couple of days for McQueary to go see the AD is unacceptable, their solutions were unacceptable (even more so because they weren't inforced).

But bottom line, it should of NEVER even gone down like that, McQueary should of wrapped Sandusky upside the head and called the cops on teh spot.

No i just think JP's power over Penn State has no barring on the police. I don't think the police would tried to cover up a child rape just becase JP's DC was the raper. I think your opinion of JPs power is overexaggerated. I dont think the school has the power over the police in a rape case. I think for somebody who i've had political debates with about my conspiracies that it stuns me even more that u think he had that kind of pull.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:11 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.

He tried to do what he thought was right by going to the most important person in the school. We can't be in his head and I have no idea why he did what he did. I don't know why his dad didn't tell him to call the cops when he called him from the office. I agree he acted wrong and should have called the cops immediately. We all would have done that. I would have killed the mother ****er. They never would have got his story. The Janitor also reported it and nothing ever happened. Maybe McQueary thought if he contacted police the same thing would have happened again so he went to Joe. More details will come out and your story will continue to get weaker.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:12 PM
<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) was participating in individual drills at Giants practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
As expected. As long as Nicks comes out of these
drills feeling fine, he'll graduate to a real practice Friday. That's
when we'll get a real idea about his status for Sunday's game against
the 49es. For now, owners can cautiously pencil Nicks into lineups.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:12 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.


ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore


</p>


The bottom line is that Joe Paterno DID NOT "play it right" at first, which was your argument.</p>


At least not in my view.</p>

but its moot.. .we both agree that he deserve what he gets at the end of the day and he didn't do enough at all

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</p>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had <font size="5"><u>direct knowledge</u> </font><font color="#0000FF">(BZZZZT FACTUALLY INACCURATE HE HAD SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE A STORY SOMEONE TOLD HIM WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT THAT)</font> of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused.
</p>

<font color="#0000FF">(Both inactions are responsible for the same amount of kids being abused, had either witness actually went to the cops, he would have been in Jail...Paterno's inaction isn't as bad though, since he didn't have first hand knowledge of the crime)</font></p>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (hamstring) was participating in individual drills at Giants practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
As expected. As long as Nicks comes out of these
drills feeling fine, he'll graduate to a real practice Friday. That's
when we'll get a real idea about his status for Sunday's game against
the 49es. For now, owners can cautiously pencil Nicks into lineups.
</div>For now = only a couple of hours until the Thursday night kickoff, that's tonite right?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.

He tried to do what he thought was right by going to the most important person in the school. We can't be in his head and I have no idea why he did what he did. I don't know why his dad didn't tell him to call the cops when he called him from the office. I agree he acted wrong and should have called the cops immediately. We all would have done that. I would have killed the mother ****er. They never would have got his story. The Janitor also reported it and nothing ever happened. Maybe McQueary thought if he contacted police the same thing would have happened again so he went to Joe. More details will come out and your story will continue to get weaker.


sorry but if u see a rape occur in your apartment building are you going to call the owner of the bulding instead of the police? I think thats complete horse****

How this guy could think it was okay for Sandusky to finish working his nut off and not tellign the police is baffling hence why I think its ridic that you guys are giving him a pass and so fixated on JP

the janitor told his boss who said if he wants to persue it he can. Janitor was just as wrong as well

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 01:15 PM
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</p>

ewww
</p>

no love for darell ? I likey
+1

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:17 PM
and if more facts and details emerge i will factor them into my opinion of the situation

but as of what we know right now, McQueary should be the story

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:17 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</P>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</P>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</P>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</P>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</P>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</P>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</P>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</P>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</P>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had direct knowledge of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</P>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </P>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused. </P>


I understand that it seems in your view Paterno couldn't go to the bathroom by himself and therefore isn't responsible. I guess at least. I'm not really sure. You've made so many comments like "he was just a mascot" so I'm really not sure. Your view is that Joe Paterno has no power at all at PSU and therefore has no power with the PSU police.</P>


I think that is completely silly. No one at PSU would ever believe that. No one has ever had any more power at PSU than Paterno.</P>


While no one can know exactly what was in his mind (I guess you think its just moosh) it is reasonable to believe that he knew this guy was doing this (he heard it from more than one source) he did the bare minimum about it to cover his *** and then continued as if nothing had happened. All while more kids were being abused by this monster Sandusky. And did this to protect the program or his own standing. Again no one can know.</P>


At the least Joe Paterno was an enabler. And that falls far short of the expectations anyone ever had of him.</P>




I think in a WAY hes being a media scape goat becausae I can't fathom how hes the bigger story and McQueary isn't. Thats the only way i consider him a scapegoat. The way we're talking about him being the big story and MCQueary isn't

I DO think he deserves to be fired and get punished in however way he deserves.

I agree Paterno enabled. Like I said initially not calling the cops, i agree with. PErsonally I think the AD should of been called in right away when McQueary came to JP they should of sat down and game planned how they are going to handle things. The fact it took a couple of days for McQueary to go see the AD is unacceptable, their solutions were unacceptable (even more so because they weren't inforced).

But bottom line, it should of NEVER even gone down like that, McQueary should of wrapped Sandusky upside the head and called the cops on teh spot.

No i just think JP's power over Penn State has no barring on the police. I don't think the police would tried to cover up a child rape just becase JP's DC was the raper. I think your opinion of JPs power is overexaggerated. I dont think the school has the power over the police in a rape case. I think for somebody who i've had political debates with about my conspiracies that it stuns me even more that u think he had that kind of pull.
</P>


If Joe Pa showed up at the PSU police and had the assistant in tow. This would have been stopped in 2002. Don't kid yourselves. A parent had already filed a complaint with them about Sandusky.</P>


I'm sorry Matt, he ****ed up right from the start.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:18 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</p>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had <font size="5"><u>direct knowledge</u> </font><font color="#0000ff">(BZZZZT FACTUALLY INACCURATE HE HAD SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE A STORY SOMEONE TOLD HIM WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT THAT)</font> of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused.
</p>

<font color="#0000ff">(Both inactions are responsible for the same amount of kids being abused, had either witness actually went to the cops, he would have been in Jail...Paterno's inaction isn't as bad though, since he didn't have first hand knowledge of the crime)</font></p>

i was actually talking about McQueary, after rereading i could see why u thought I was talking about JP

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:18 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!


this ain't the movies...

if somebody reports a rape, somebody reports a rape.

Had mCqueary stopped it and called the cops at the moment, there would of been NO WAY there was any wiggle room. Its like your suggesting that any rape isn't taken serious unless a celebrity calls it in. Your stance on this is literally insane

Are you really comparing jordan teaching me a jumpshot to a football caoch reporting a rape?

That literally makes ZERO sense.



No, I'm comparing the source. The trust and the standing that comes with a person that high. The belief that other people have in him because of who he is.

I never said a rape isn't taken seriously, what I'm sayin is had Joe Pa gone to the cops with McQueary instead of McQueary by himself they would have taken it more seriously. How can you disagree?

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:19 PM
and if more facts and details emerge i will factor them into my opinion of the situation

but as of what we know right now, McQueary should be the story
Nobody knows who McQueary is. And therefore nobody cares what he did, or didn't do. Everybody knows who Paterno is and therefore care very much what he did or didn't do. And he didn't do plenty.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:20 PM
Exactly! I challenge all of you to read the indictment. Especially YOU Matt and Daven.

There is nothing that I can read that will make me believe hearing about a crime second hand gives you a greater responsibility to report it then watching it happen first hand.

the simple fact that you are trying to convince me of that is disappointing.

They both have the same responsibility to protect, honor and mentor kids. They all failed. I am not trying to convince you otherwise. They both had the same legal responsibility to report it.

You make it sound like the guy just said, Hey Coach, I saw Jerry in the shower with a boy. The ****ing guy was distraught and shaking when he told Joe. It was not just an allegation, it was fact and Joe knew it. He admits himself he didn't do enough.



so are u suggesting that every time somebody has cried rape or that they've seen something that theres never been a liar?


</p>


An assistent coach comes up to you shaking and visibly upset and said he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. The chances of that being a situation of "crying wolf" are very low. But thats why he should have forced the guy to talk to the police. Thats what investigations are for. And Paterno had heard these allegations before so you and I both know that he knew it was true.</p>


He chose to cover his *** with the AD and then continue to allow Sandusky on the campus and continued his friendship with him.</p>


Understand my point here Matt, you said that Paterno "played it right at first". Am I misquoting you?</p>


I have spent page after page from yesterday until now arguing with that very specific point. that is the line that got me going yesterday and still does today.</p>


I say he did the wrong thig at first. And i said what I think he should have done. I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position...am I?</p>




Moorehead, if somebody were to be twisted enough to lie about this do you think they'd go and report it wtih a smile on their face. The visibly shaken thing, means nothing. I like to say it as they are "POT COMMITTED" to play the part if they are going to have the converstaion.

He had heard these allegations before and nothing came of them. So in reality, if this coach were to put the hustle on the fact that allegations have popped up before hold no water.

Yes at first, like maybe the first 3 days of having that conversation with McQueary. Thats the at first.

Your not grasping what at first or initially means. I can tell that because you've gone to respond wtih "Well he turned his back on it for 7 years". That would absolutely pass the at first part that i am speaking of.

Regardless if we debate on that its fine but it has real no bearing on anything since we both agree at the end of the day PAterno should be ashamed and gets what he deserves.

NOW, where the REAL debate comes is that I would like to think there are two school of guilt and blame that are going on here. The first is Sandusky, the raper, the guy who physically did all of this and then the second group of JP and the AD who were basically enablers in the sense that they heard about it and did nothing to see if it was true or put Sanduskys hand to the fire ofit...

the REAL debate is where you have all these excuses for MCQueary where he CLEARLY did not do all he could do and the fact that he was the eye witness puts the responsibility on him ten folds more than anybody else. I don't care who JP is or what he meant to Penn State. That has no bearing on the fact that MCQeary was in the ****in room, saw it with his own two eyes, didn't stop it and felt it better to go to JP than the police.

As much **** as we are giving JP about covering up, how can u be putting this guy in that group with JP and the AD and not with Sandusky. They are all guitly and deserve punishment, but i'm sorry next in line for the harshes tpunishment should be McQueary after Sandusky
</p>


OK Matt, Heres the way I get your argument.</p>


You say that Joe Pa is a scapegoat and the two witnesses are far more at fault than Joe Pa. You then said that he played it right at first.</p>


If your argument is that he is a scapegoat, I disagree. He had direct knowledge of this and didn't use his power to stop any further abuse.</p>


You say that the witnesses were more at fault. </p>


I essentially disagree in one very important way. They clearly should have stopped it right away and are responsible for THEIR inaction. But byPaterno's inaction, MANY more kids were abused. </p>


I understand that it seems in your view Paterno couldn't go to the bathroom by himself and therefore isn't responsible. I guess at least. I'm not really sure. You've made so many comments like "he was just a mascot" so I'm really not sure. Your view is that Joe Paterno has no power at all at PSU and therefore has no power with the PSU police.</p>


I think that is completely silly. No one at PSU would ever believe that. No one has ever had any more power at PSU than Paterno.</p>


While no one can know exactly what was in his mind (I guess you think its just moosh) it is reasonable to believe that he knew this guy was doing this (he heard it from more than one source) he did the bare minimum about it to cover his *** and then continued as if nothing had happened. All while more kids were being abused by this monster Sandusky. And did this to protect the program or his own standing. Again no one can know.</p>


At the least Joe Paterno was an enabler. And that falls far short of the expectations anyone ever had of him.</p>




I think in a WAY hes being a media scape goat becausae I can't fathom how hes the bigger story and McQueary isn't. Thats the only way i consider him a scapegoat. The way we're talking about him being the big story and MCQueary isn't

I DO think he deserves to be fired and get punished in however way he deserves.

I agree Paterno enabled. Like I said initially not calling the cops, i agree with. PErsonally I think the AD should of been called in right away when McQueary came to JP they should of sat down and game planned how they are going to handle things. The fact it took a couple of days for McQueary to go see the AD is unacceptable, their solutions were unacceptable (even more so because they weren't inforced).

But bottom line, it should of NEVER even gone down like that, McQueary should of wrapped Sandusky upside the head and called the cops on teh spot.

No i just think JP's power over Penn State has no barring on the police. I don't think the police would tried to cover up a child rape just becase JP's DC was the raper. I think your opinion of JPs power is overexaggerated. I dont think the school has the power over the police in a rape case. I think for somebody who i've had political debates with about my conspiracies that it stuns me even more that u think he had that kind of pull.
</p>


If Joe Pa showed up at the PSU police and had the assistant in tow. This would have been stopped in 2002. Don't kid yourselves. A parent had already filed a complaint with them about Sandusky.</p>


I'm sorry Matt, he ****ed up right from the start.</p>

im sorry i disagree. Again, I think it would be almost wreckless to run to the police station like that. And I have a feeling my initially and at first time line is much much shorter than u are giving it credit for.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:20 PM
their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.

Why they don't get that is weeeeeeeeell beyond me...

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 01:21 PM
and if more facts and details emerge i will factor them into my opinion of the situation

but as of what we know right now, McQueary should be the story
Yes.

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:22 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:24 PM
no he shouldnt, he didnt commit a crime
</p>


McQueary? not in the eyes of the law Dezzz.....
<u>he witnessed a crime, and didn't report it. There are laws for that also. So yes, he did commit a crime.</u>

Do you think "reporting it to my boss" is a good defense?! lol uhhhh no.</p>no he did not!!

if an officer askes you a question and you lie, THEN its withholding information.

You are wrong Dez. It is against Pennsylvania law to hear about child crimes and not report it. The only reason he and Joe are not being charged is because they alerted people higher up which is complete bull**** in my eyes. Everyone should ****en burn in this thing.


but we're not talking Pennsylvania law remember? We're talking PENN STATE law

isn't that what the two of u have been arguing and thats where JP's power comes in? You can't really think that JP has power of Pennsylvania law

It's his word and the trust and standing it comes with. It means more than a regular person.

If I tell you how to shoot a jumpshot you won't care, if Jordan tells you, you'll listen.

If McQueary goes to the cops they might say ehhh we'll see. If Joe goes there, THEY ACT!


this ain't the movies...

if somebody reports a rape, somebody reports a rape.

Had mCqueary stopped it and called the cops at the moment, there would of been NO WAY there was any wiggle room. Its like your suggesting that any rape isn't taken serious unless a celebrity calls it in. Your stance on this is literally insane

Are you really comparing jordan teaching me a jumpshot to a football caoch reporting a rape?

That literally makes ZERO sense.



No, I'm comparing the source. The trust and the standing that comes with a person that high. The belief that other people have in him because of who he is.

I never said a rape isn't taken seriously, what I'm sayin is had Joe Pa gone to the cops with McQueary instead of McQueary by himself they would have taken it more seriously. How can you disagree?


i understand what you are saying to a degree - but its just so over exaggerated in this case. You have a good citizen with a good job who doesn't have some sort of flaw in his backround bring this to the police there is no reason not to believe him or think tha tit wouldn't get followed up.

I'll even accept that argument for the janitor who apparently had mental issue. But this was a young guy who is risking his job and future to go report it. To suggest that he wouldn't of been taken seriously enough to bring the cops to really investigate this is ****in insane and inaccurate

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:25 PM
Lando if u see a rape occur after work and u report it, would u say it wouldm't be followed up on or taken serious?

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:26 PM
their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.

Why they don't get that is weeeeeeeeell beyond me...


We do get that Lando, the point is whether Joe Pa comes or not, as a witness you HAVE to report it....and it wasn't reported.

what I don't understand is how you think First hand Knowledge and Second Hand Knowledge are the same thing...

one is called first and the other is called second for a reason...

the witness has a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher responsibility to make sure the guy gets what he deserves then the guy he tells the story to.

Should Joe Pa have done more...YES! obviously but that's not what we are talking about....the real culprit here (outside of Sandusky obviously) is Calhoun and McQueary, how they could think telling Joe Pa. about it and then dropping it was enough is unfathomable.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:26 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.
</P>


Not to mention that Scrappy implied we both would be perfectly happy to let a guy molest a child. Its getting heated and all the insults are going in one direction. Towards lando and myself.</P>


The Steve Smith convo in the other thread is much more enjoyable. </P>

bigblue4417
11-10-2011, 01:26 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.


ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore



The side argument came about initially if he should of called the cops or not - but thats not what this was about.

I
actually agree with your list but honestly half that stuff actually was
their solution. The only thing they didn't do was report it to the
police.

That is what you said....

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:27 PM
and if more facts and details emerge i will factor them into my opinion of the situation

but as of what we know right now, McQueary should be the story
Nobody knows who McQueary is. And therefore nobody cares what he did, or didn't do. Everybody knows who Paterno is and therefore care very much what he did or didn't do. And he didn't do plenty.

hence why to a degree hes a scapegoat

because I find what McQueary did 10 times worse and he still has a job at penn state.

Theres one literal fact: he could of single handedly stopped a rape and he didnt. Everything else is politics and bull****

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:27 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


You've been misrepresenting us and calling us names way before we started calling you guys names whether you realize it or not.

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 01:27 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because <u>McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.</u>
no hes not! the school board or whatever have the power to remove the scumbag perminately from the campus, and their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.


LOL your a ****in fool

How would that conversation with the police go?

JP: MCqueary came to my office and told me this rape happened.

That would be the extent of it, then the ywould of talked to McQueary.

<u>and this guy rapes a child and your worrying about if hes on campus or not? WTF is wrong with u guys?</u> Who the **** cares., he should of been in cuffs within the hour of McQueary cathcing him.

MCQearuy covered it up just as long and turned his head and still worked at Penn state and saw Sandusky all the time. Only difference is that in the court of law if they are on trial, McQueary's testimony would put Sundusky away.

Its amazing, ur making MCQeuary out to be some crack addict living on the streets to where if he reported this he wouldn't be taken serious
nothing, youre just really gullible thinking mcquery telling the police is enough to lock this guy up, its not. its his word against whatever the scums name is.

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


well cuz i've had to repeat my arguements 20 times because u guys are arguing with me (which is fine i enjoy) but we're getting no where because ur just saying what uy gotta say and not reading what i'm saying. So **** the both of u for that.

beacuse u are ****ing foolish. You would have a case if McQueary had some sort of flaw in his persionality, mental health, or history - but he didn't,

Either way, if he would of called the police in the moment it wouldn't of mattered

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.

Why they don't get that is weeeeeeeeell beyond me...


We do get that Lando, the point is whether Joe Pa comes or not, as a witness you HAVE to report it....and it wasn't reported.

what I don't understand is how you think First hand Knowledge and Second Hand Knowledge are the same thing...

one is called first and the other is called second for a reason...

the witness has a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher responsibility to make sure the guy gets what he deserves then the guy he tells the story to.

Should Joe Pa have done more...YES! obviously but that's not what we are talking about....the real culprit here (outside of Sandusky obviously) is Calhoun and McQueary, how they could think telling Joe Pa. about it and then dropping it was enough is unfathomable.
</P>


Knowing these accusations, from multiple sources, over multiple incidents, and maintaining his friendship, allowing him on the campus to use as access to children is reprehensable.</P>


Joe Pa was in a rare position to do something important to stop it and took a pass. We can only speculate as to why.</P>

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:29 PM
Not to mention that Scrappy implied we both would be perfectly happy to let a guy molest a child. Its getting heated and all the insults are going in one direction. Towards lando and myself.

You are the ones defending the guys who did nothing to stop it, why would you be defending these guys if you weren't ok with what they did?

Please explain it to me, all you seem to care about is Joe Pa..

Paterno this Paterno that blah ****ing Blah what about the people who were THERE when it happened!

dezzzR
11-10-2011, 01:30 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.
i concur [:)]

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:30 PM
The only thing they didn't do was report it to the police.
Oh, that's it? lol You make it sound so general.


ur taking one line from probably a 5 paragraph response to something u said

no clue what i was saying or in what context - don't qoute me like that anymore



The side argument came about initially if he should of called the cops or not - but thats not what this was about.

I
actually agree with your list but honestly half that stuff actually was
their solution. The only thing they didn't do was report it to the
police.

That is what you said....


the first comment which I said is i cna't stand how everybody is killing JP but nobody is mentioning McQueary

my supporting facts was at least JP didn't cover it up at first and passed it on to the next level. Whether he should of went to the police or not right away spawned from that. either way its a minor debate because we all agree on what the end result for JP should be

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:31 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


well cuz i've had to repeat my arguements 20 times because u guys are arguing with me (which is fine i enjoy) but we're getting no where because ur just saying what uy gotta say and not reading what i'm saying. So **** the both of u for that.

beacuse u are ****ing foolish. You would have a case if McQueary had some sort of flaw in his persionality, mental health, or history - but he didn't,

Either way, if he would of called the police in the moment it wouldn't of mattered
</P>


And how does any of this excuse Joe Paterno?</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:32 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


You've been misrepresenting us and calling us names way before we started calling you guys names whether you realize it or not.


yea wasn't it lando who said he lost respect from us yesterday after mis qouting us 20 times

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 01:33 PM
http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/joepaterno.jpg

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:33 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.
</p>


Not to mention that Scrappy implied we both would be perfectly happy to let a guy molest a child. Its getting heated and all the insults are going in one direction. Towards lando and myself.</p>


The Steve Smith convo in the other thread is much more enjoyable. </p>

i think daven was trying to make a point rather than really saying that though.

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:34 PM
Joe Pa was in a rare position to do something important to stop it and took a pass. We can only speculate as to why.

Jesus ****ing Christ what is wrong with you.....

McQueary was the one in the rare position to do something about it, Calhoun was in the rare position to do something about it.

Joe Pa was told a freaking story and he passed it along, should he have followed up on it, of course...and he didn't so that's his bad....but McQueary and Calhoun are the ones who actually witnessed the crime...how do they let that happen...how do they not go to the cops...

ny06
11-10-2011, 01:35 PM
<U>Mike McQueary will coach on Saturday</U></P>


http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7215664/penn-state-nittany-lions-mike-mcqueary-coach-weekend</P>


This is pathetic, I find it hard to believe he will last past Friday. </P>


He needs to be fired asap....</P>

lttaylor56
11-10-2011, 01:36 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/hhh-silos/hashed_silo_content/1f0/f7a/12c/resized/perfectlytimedphotos-com-a26b7c.jpg

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:36 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.
</p>


Not to mention that Scrappy implied we both would be perfectly happy to let a guy molest a child. Its getting heated and all the insults are going in one direction. Towards lando and myself.</p>


The Steve Smith convo in the other thread is much more enjoyable. </p>

i think daven was trying to make a point rather than really saying that though.


What else is there to say, Morehead and Lando are hardcore defending people who choose not to stop a rape in progress and also choose not to go to the cops with it....

if they are defending those types of people whose to say they aren't those types of people themselves.

Morehead State
11-10-2011, 01:36 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


You've been misrepresenting us and calling us names way before we started calling you guys names whether you realize it or not.


yea wasn't it lando who said he lost respect from us yesterday after mis qouting us 20 times
</P>


It definately wasn't from me. I never had much respect for either one of you from the start.</P>


Hahahahahaha!!!!</P>

DavenIII
11-10-2011, 01:37 PM
And how does any of this excuse Joe Paterno?

Noone is excusing Paterno...why are you Excusing McQueary and Calhoun?

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:37 PM
your a ****in fool


I don't see why you need to attack us personally.

You have said the same thing to me, MH and now Dez.


well cuz i've had to repeat my arguements 20 times because u guys are arguing with me (which is fine i enjoy) but we're getting no where because ur just saying what uy gotta say and not reading what i'm saying. So **** the both of u for that.

beacuse u are ****ing foolish. You would have a case if McQueary had some sort of flaw in his persionality, mental health, or history - but he didn't,

Either way, if he would of called the police in the moment it wouldn't of mattered
</p>


And how does any of this excuse Joe Paterno?</p>

now i know ur trolling so honestly **** off

MattMeyerBud
11-10-2011, 01:37 PM
Are you drunk? This is personally insulting.

Yes it is Morehead, and that's why I'm trying to not look at this discussion anymore, because you and Lando seem to be perfectly fine with the Assistant and Janitor who left a kid there to be raped and never went to the cops....

I'm literally disgusted with the two of you.


Then you don't see what we are saying Daven. We are against exactly what you said. Everyone is at fault here. <font size="6">Just as much at fault.</font> Any of the people involved should have gone to the cops the moment they saw it. Everyone just kept covering it up. Joe could have used his "power" and stopped it. Instead he did nothing just like everyone else. No one is in the position that Joe is when it comes to that University.

My stance is the exact opposite of what you are saying Daven. I don't understand how you got what I've been saying so twisted. I don't know why the kids dad didn't tell him to call the cops instead of saying come home and we'll talk about it.



thats where ur wrong

McQueary is more at fualt. He didn't stop the rape from occuring when he physically was able to and somebody who witnesses the act is very different than somebody who hears about the act.

Not that the perosn who hears of the act should be off the hook.

WHO THE **** CARE?! The coach wasnt' a ****in kid! The fact that he didn't have the balls to stop the rape and common sense to notify the authorities himself is more gross than the aD covering it up. Because <u>McQueary is guitly of all the **** that JP and the AD are, except more.</u>
no hes not! the school board or whatever have the power to remove the scumbag perminately from the campus, and their words would hold more weight when telling police. its just the way it is.


LOL your a ****in fool

How would that conversation with the police go?

JP: MCqueary came to my office and told me this rape happened.

That would be the extent of it, then the ywould of talked to McQueary.

<u>and this guy rapes a child and your worrying about if hes on campus or not? WTF is wrong with u guys?</u> Who the **** cares., he should of been in cuffs within the hour of McQueary cathcing him.

MCQearuy covered it up just as long and turned his head and still worked at Penn state and saw Sandusky all the time. Only difference is that in the court of law if they are on trial, McQueary's testimony would put Sundusky away.

Its amazing, ur making MCQeuary out to be some crack addict living on the streets to where if he reported this he wouldn't be taken serious
nothing, youre just really gullible thinking mcquery telling the police is enough to lock this guy up, its not. its his word against whatever the scums name is.


First if u know anyhting about rape cases, he would also have THE VICTIM on his side. Now its 2 against 1. Typically in child rape cases they don't have the confidence to step up and tell someone, they are scared. If somebody was there to back them up and say they saw the kid probably would of came clean. Do u disagree?

But either way, if MCQUEARY played it right he would of done this:

Went in stopped the rape from happening grabbed the child and got him away from Sandusky. Held Sandusky there and called the police and had them walk in on that scene.

So between that happening, the rape kit that they would of been able to take from the kid, how do u suggest Sandusky would of been able to get out of it?

THEN let this news come out of the charges and then all of these other people would of stepped up like they are doing now.

I'd say thats all pretty reasonable, unless u think the black magic of JP would of been able to cover it all up