THEE NYG SWAG THREAD

[Kase-1]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally.* I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears.* C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind.* Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high.* He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man.* It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

[Morehead State]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money</P>


I agree with you Kase. BJ is what he is. He needs a little room and he can turn that in to big plays. In plays where he's challenged in the backfield, and can't get a bit of momentum, he struggles.</P>


I am definately NOT done with BJ asLando suggests he is. But he does need some decent work from the O line, which he did not get.</P>


And I'm not sure who said that our secondary was bad ,(Maybe Matt) but you can't expect a secondary to cover for 5 or more seconds. Our defense is predicated on pressure on the QB and we brought NONE. We will never succeed when that is true.</P>


In other words as far as I'm concerned, our O line and D line (at least the pass rushers) blew this game.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

and theres no un bridled hit on Bradshaw. If u notice teams key on our running game when Bradshaw is in the game and he doesn't go down on the first hit and still averages a 4.0 ypc. It also opens up the passing game...

Jacobs does nothing for us. Bradshaw too many times has turneda 2 yard loss for a 3 yard game. 5 yard swings make the difference to an offense. Im not saying Bradshaw is having a great year but i donbt think anybody owul dhave a great year behind the oline. What I am saying is that he does take us on his back for gains, something Jacobs doesn't do

[MattMeyerBud]

How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT?? Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust</p>


Agreed. Thank you Kase...
Jacobs needs the line to give him the first 3 yards, and thats where he shines. He's not a great outside runner, so you need to give him that first hole so he can smash through the 2nd set of defense. if that worked every play he'd average at least 6 yards a carry.

Bradshaw, for everyone saying he's the most explosive player we have, really hasnt shown me that he doesnt need the line either. He's very overrated in the eyes of Giants fans. sure, he's good....but he's not THAT good...
He's just a product of the o-line also...</p>

its funny u say that about Jacobs but he constantly looks to bust it outside.

Everyboy needs a line. What kind of opinion is that? Are u suggesting that there are RBs that dont' need lines? Go see chris johnson

Hes still averaging inthe 4s for us and turning negative plays into gains. Also makes defense game plan fo rhim... nobody is game planning for Jacobs

[Kase-1]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB

100% opinion

Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL

As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME

So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once

[dezzzR]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly moneycanty had a good game and kiwi had an amazing game. the defense did ok, but like lando said on the last drive, 6 3rd down conversions is joke

[Kase-1]

and theres no un bridled hit on Bradshaw.* If u notice teams key on our running game when Bradshaw is in the game and he doesn't go down on the first hit and still averages a 4.0 ypc. It also opens up the passing game...

Jacobs does nothing for us.* Bradshaw too many times has turneda 2 yard loss for a 3 yard game. 5 yard swings make the difference to an offense.* Im not saying Bradshaw is having a great year but i donbt think anybody owul dhave a great year behind the oline. What I am saying is that he does take us on his back for gains, something Jacobs doesn't do
AB does have the better ypc, but then again he's had more reps as the starter so he's gonna get more opportunities.

AB can SOMETIMES turn a 2 yard loss into a gain, but then again when he tries to slowly cut back or swing way outside he causes losses. He needs to make 1 cut and go up the field not 3 horizontal cuts and go 2 yards.

Neither back is having a good year, but that is cause our Line has been run blocking like trash. Both backs have been getting stopped behind the LOS and the rule of thumb is that if an RB gets stopped there it was the OL's fault

[JPizzack]

its funny u say that about Jacobs but he constantly looks to bust it outside.

Everyboy needs a line. What kind of opinion is that? Are u suggesting that there are RBs that dont' need lines? Go see chris johnson

Hes still averaging inthe 4s for us and turning negative plays into gains. Also makes defense game plan fo rhim... nobody is game planning for Jacobs
</P>


So..just so i know im understanding you correctly...you obviously flame him for his tip-toeing behindthe line when they dont open a path for him, but when that DOES happen, you also hate how he tries to break it outside? I dont get it, but you can correct me if im understanding you incorrectly.
I said he's not a good outside runner....but when a RB has no other choice(which recently I think is the case), i'm not gonna be down on him for it; you cant run thru a guard's ***! lol

Like MH said....this game was lost in the trenches, both sides of the ball. There's no other way I can personally look at it.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT?? Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust</p>


Agreed. Thank you Kase...
Jacobs needs the line to give him the first 3 yards, and thats where he shines. He's not a great outside runner, so you need to give him that first hole so he can smash through the 2nd set of defense. if that worked every play he'd average at least 6 yards a carry.

Bradshaw, for everyone saying he's the most explosive player we have, really hasnt shown me that he doesnt need the line either. He's very overrated in the eyes of Giants fans. sure, he's good....but he's not THAT good...
He's just a product of the o-line also...</p>I also agree with you

Bradshaw gets more of a leash cause if the holes are clogged inside he has a better chance of bouncing it outside for a gain. If Jacobs tries that everyone will say he stuttersteps (which he only does when the holes get clogged) or he doesnt know where to run

BJ is a huge back, he needs open holes to run through, hes not a scat back like Sproles and people gotta get that idea that all rbs are the same out of their head

yea but the difference is that when Bradshaw DOES it he can have success... JACobs doesn't.

Holes make no difference on that 3rd and 1. Hes a big back whose not trying to run like a big back and it was evident on that third and 1. Its funny that hes so mad at the fans... one of the loudest cheers they had was one one of his 3 or 4 yard gains where he finall just manned up and ran ****in hard.

Its evident when he runs hard and when hes not. Granted I expect him to make and look cut sometimes, but its like he doesn't know when to and when not to anymore. Hes on tilt

[MattMeyerBud]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally. I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears. C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind. Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high. He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man. It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money</p>


I agree with you Kase. BJ is what he is. He needs a little room and he can turn that in to big plays. In plays where he's challenged in the backfield, and can't get a bit of momentum, he struggles.</p>


I am definately NOT done with BJ asLando suggests he is. But he does need some decent work from the O line, which he did not get.</p>


And I'm not sure who said that our secondary was bad ,(Maybe Matt) but you can't expect a secondary to cover for 5 or more seconds. Our defense is predicated on pressure on the QB and we brought NONE. We will never succeed when that is true.</p>


In other words as far as I'm concerned, our O line and D line (at least the pass rushers) blew this game.</p>

i wouldn't call them a bright spot. There were plenty of quick deathful dumps

[Kase-1]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great.* Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks.* We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

[MattMeyerBud]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB

100% opinion

Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL

As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME

So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?

[Kase-1]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally.* I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears.* C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind.* Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high.* He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man.* It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'

[Morehead State]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money</P>


I agree with you Kase. BJ is what he is. He needs a little room and he can turn that in to big plays. In plays where he's challenged in the backfield, and can't get a bit of momentum, he struggles.</P>


I am definately NOT done with BJ asLando suggests he is. But he does need some decent work from the O line, which he did not get.</P>


And I'm not sure who said that our secondary was bad ,(Maybe Matt) but you can't expect a secondary to cover for 5 or more seconds. Our defense is predicated on pressure on the QB and we brought NONE. We will never succeed when that is true.</P>


In other words as far as I'm concerned, our O line and D line (at least the pass rushers) blew this game.</P>




i wouldn't call them a bright spot. There were plenty of quick deathful dumps
</P>


They did have 3 picks and generally VY was getting to hold the ball far too long. A little pass rush would have brought a very different result last night.</P>


How bad was Osi? He was completely owned.</P>

[Kase-1]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB

100% opinion

Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL

As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME

So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
Yea that 3rd down sucked hard nobody is gonna debate that, but we had no push at the LOS either

[MattMeyerBud]

its funny u say that about Jacobs but he constantly looks to bust it outside.

Everyboy needs a line. What kind of opinion is that? Are u suggesting that there are RBs that dont' need lines? Go see chris johnson

Hes still averaging inthe 4s for us and turning negative plays into gains. Also makes defense game plan fo rhim... nobody is game planning for Jacobs
</p>


So..just so i know im understanding you correctly...you obviously flame him for his tip-toeing behindthe line when they dont open a path for him, but when that DOES happen, you also hate how he tries to break it outside? I dont get it, but you can correct me if im understanding you incorrectly.
I said he's not a good outside runner....but when a RB has no other choice(which recently I think is the case), i'm not gonna be down on him for it; you cant run thru a guard's ***! lol

Like MH said....this game was lost in the trenches, both sides of the ball. There's no other way I can personally look at it.</p>

on 3rd and shorts- i am flaming him for not busting it up when there is room, yes. If your going to try and tell me that on that 3rd and 1 if he just lowered his shoulder and laid into whatever was in front of him he wasn't getting the first, then ur nuts

JAcobs has a tendency to try and tip toe and cut instead of just pounding the defense for 2-3 yard gains and ends up getting hit for no gain. I think his vision and situational awareness last night was brutal

[Kase-1]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money</P>


I agree with you Kase.* BJ is what he is.* He needs a little room and he can turn that in to big plays.* In plays where he's challenged in the backfield, and can't get a bit of momentum, he struggles.</P>


I am definately NOT done with BJ as*Lando* suggests he is.* But he does need some decent work from the O line, which he did not get.</P>


And I'm not sure who said that our secondary was bad ,(Maybe Matt) but you can't expect a secondary to cover for 5 or more seconds.* Our defense is predicated on pressure on the QB and we brought NONE.* We will never succeed when that is true.</P>


In other words as far as I'm concerned, our O line and D line (at least the pass rushers) blew this game.</P>




i wouldn't call them a bright spot.* There were plenty of quick deathful dumps
</P>


They did have 3 picks and generally VY was getting to hold the ball far too long.* A little pass rush would have brought a very different result last night.</P>


How bad was Osi?* He was completely owned.</P>Osi played last nite?? LOL

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP

[MattMeyerBud]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally. I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears. C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind. Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high. He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man. It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'

i couldn't disagree more. Infact, I think any player could think that they are running hard and they may not be.

[Morehead State]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</P>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</P>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</P>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money</p>


I agree with you Kase. BJ is what he is. He needs a little room and he can turn that in to big plays. In plays where he's challenged in the backfield, and can't get a bit of momentum, he struggles.</p>


I am definately NOT done with BJ asLando suggests he is. But he does need some decent work from the O line, which he did not get.</p>


And I'm not sure who said that our secondary was bad ,(Maybe Matt) but you can't expect a secondary to cover for 5 or more seconds. Our defense is predicated on pressure on the QB and we brought NONE. We will never succeed when that is true.</p>


In other words as far as I'm concerned, our O line and D line (at least the pass rushers) blew this game.</p>




i wouldn't call them a bright spot. There were plenty of quick deathful dumps
</p>


They did have 3 picks and generally VY was getting to hold the ball far too long. A little pass rush would have brought a very different result last night.</p>


How bad was Osi? He was completely owned.</p>

the most telling thing about Osi was that he was off the field when the EAgles were trying to run the ball for a first down to end the game

[MattMeyerBud]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</p>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>

thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?

[Morehead State]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent. We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game. Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man. We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL) That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
</P>


Most picks are balls thrown inperfectly. Its the abilty to capitalize that matters. The word on Prince is that he's a great cover guy with very good ball skills. He showed ball skills on that play. He needs to develop and barring injury, he will. And Ross had good coverage on his pick. he also made a good play to get the deflection on KP's pick.</P>

[Kase-1]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great.* Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks.* We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds.** Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

We cant pick off EVERY pass man

[Morehead State]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</P>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</P>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</P>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</P>




thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


</P>


Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</P>


But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</P>

[Kase-1]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally.* I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears.* C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind.* Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high.* He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man.* It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'

i couldn't disagree more. Infact, I think any player could think that they are running hard and they may not be.
And I couldnt disagree more

[dezzzR]

i feel like bj hasnt had a 3rd an one for a loooong time.

[dezzzR]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</p>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>




thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


</p>


Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</p>


But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</p>his frustration tells me hes running his hardest or trying his hardest anyway.

[Morehead State]

i feel like bj hasnt got a 3rd an first for a loooong time.
</P>


That play had no shot whatsoever. D line was waiting two yards in the offensive backfield. Not on Jacobs at all. It seemed like that handoff took forever. Why would they call a running play that takes that long to execute on 3rd and a foot?</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work. Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent. We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game. Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man. We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL) That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
</p>


Most picks are balls thrown inperfectly. Its the abilty to capitalize that matters. The word on Prince is that he's a great cover guy with very good ball skills. He showed ball skills on that play. He needs to develop and barring injury, he will. And Ross had good coverage on his pick. he also made a good play to get the deflection on KP's pick.</p>

Okay but the fact we were in this game wasn't because the defense was playing well it was because VY sucks and was making unprovoked mistakes. You yourself have been killing them for not being baout to touch Young all day.

[dezzzR]

i feel like bj hasnt got a 3rd an first for a loooong time.
</p>


That play had no shot whatsoever. D line was waiting two yards in the offensive backfield. Not on Jacobs at all. It seemed like that handoff took forever. Why would they call a running play that takes that long to execute on 3rd and a foot?</p>oh yea i know. im just saying it feels like its been a while since weve seen bj convert short yardage. its predictable and our line always seems to get pushed back. why not have eli dive for the first for once?

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

We cant pick off EVERY pass man

I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them.

Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.

[MattMeyerBud]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</p>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>




thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


</p>


Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</p>


But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</p>

i've seen brandon jacobs run hard, he doesn't do it consistantly. I stand behind my comment that he shows more fire post play than he does with teh rock

[MattMeyerBud]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally. I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears. C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind. Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high. He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man. It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'

i couldn't disagree more. Infact, I think any player could think that they are running hard and they may not be.
And I couldnt disagree more

I think most of the time performers lie to themselves about laying it all on the field or how well they played.

[MattMeyerBud]

Jacobs has more fire and pride in trying to fight defenders post play than he does running the ball during the play
BS MMB 100% opinion Kinda hard to run when you think theres gonna be a hole opened up for ya and all there is is a wall full of you O-Linemen getting abused

the fact that Jacobs is looking for a hole on 3rd and 1 says all i need to know about how his running mentality has changed.

Just ****in bust up, brace ur self for hell, and fight for the yard...

im telling u last night marked the night that Jacobs future with the Giants became nonexistant imo
So you want him running directly into the backs of our OL, or just directly into the opponents open arms?? LOL As much as I like Jacobs I dont see him staying either, but if we're stuck with a broken down bradshaw and ugh DJ Ware then we're in trouble BIG TIME So now when Jacobs leaves we'll have ZERO intensity on the field, nobody has that fire

on 3rd and 1 I want him meeting a tackler at the line of scrimmage and pushing him back...

i dont get it, are we calling him a power back or not?
</p>


He's a power back but due to his physicality, he needs a bit of a start to use that power. It is what it is. He's really good with a decent O line. Better than most with the same O line performance. But when the O line is dreadful (like last night) he is never going to get going. He has no wiggle.</p>


He's not a leg power guy like Michael Turner, he's a guy who uses his size and speed. But he needs a head of steam. Its just what he is. When the O line is doing OK he looks great, when they aren't he looks lousy.</p>


So I would call him more of a "momentum" runner. instead of a pure power runner in the classic sense.</p>




thats fine but when hes doesn't have the pop to push a single defender for a one yard game - then really what is his worth?


</p>


Not without some clean start...No, you're right. But with some momentum he can plow through defenders like few RB's in the league. Its the trade off with him. He's generally not going to make something from nothing, but he can make something huge out of not very much.</p>


But anyone who says he doesn't run hard is nuts.</p>his frustration tells me hes running his hardest or trying his hardest anyway.


na im sorry... you can see the difference on something like that 3rd and 1 and then that third an dlong he almost got where he turned the corner and almost got it.

[dezzzR]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

We cant pick off EVERY pass man
<u>
I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them. </u>

Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

and rightly so, we got alex smithed.

[JPizzack]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>

[MattMeyerBud]

i feel like bj hasnt got a 3rd an first for a loooong time.
</p>


That play had no shot whatsoever. D line was waiting two yards in the offensive backfield. Not on Jacobs at all. It seemed like that handoff took forever. Why would they call a running play that takes that long to execute on 3rd and a foot?</p>oh yea i know. im just saying it feels like its been a while since weve seen bj convert short yardage. its predictable and our line always seems to get pushed back. why not have eli dive for the first for once?


lol u guys are nuts... let jacobs Run and lower his shoulders on a direct line he would of gotten it.

But I agree.. it was a slow play and that if Eli sneaks it, we move the stick

[MattMeyerBud]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

We cant pick off EVERY pass man
<u>
I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them. </u>

Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

and rightly so, we got alex smithed.


lol its amazing how u can give the defense a pass for yesterday but kill them for SF...

ur nuts

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


Matt..."the defense" isn't just one thing. The D line didn't pressure the QB. That was the root of our entire problem on defense last night. The bottom line is that the secondary made some plays. Three picks is nothing to sneeze at. especially given that the QB had all day to throw.</P>

[Kase-1]

“That’s the best thing that they do here is boo,” Jacobs (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brandon+Jacobs) said. “I’m not worried about that. I've been hearing that for seven years.”

“They
had guys in gaps,” Jacobs said of the Eagles. “I just hit holes. I just
got the ball and took what they gave me. There was nothing more I could
have done in there. I went out there and laid it on the line.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Woe is me...

I didn't think we would miss Bradshaw this bad
</div>I gotta admit there were waaaay too many people that were too quick to boo last night, it was pissing me off

WOW, Jacobs needs to toughen up emotionally.* I feel like he dropped that quote while bursting out in tears.* C'mon sen this is NY if you aint doin your job proper we're gonna bust ya balls and thats what the booing is, dont take it personal

He will be gone next year and not soon enough for me. Let him go suck and underachieve for someone else. I am done making excuses for this guy and sticking up for him. He is not the same guy he was and it could be because of his age or the fact he took a pay cut or what, I don't know.

I'm glad you at least had fun at the game. Sorry we couldn't pull it. I think that is the 5th or 6th game in a row the Eagles have won at NY. Embarrassing!
When Jacobs doesnt run well its his fault and when Bradshaw doesnt produce its the O-Lines fault

I dont get why people keep thinking that, our O0Line is the reason Walter Peyton wouldnt be able to crack 100 on our team

nobody is arguing that the line has held them both back

but Jacobs looked AWFUL last night... thats 3rd and 1 keeps replaying in my mind.* Hes not running hard or fast and hes running high.* He had like maybe 1 or 2 runs and then that one on the outside on third and long where he almost got hte first. But theres no intensity or consistancy
How could you say the guy isnt running hard, cause his stats arent greaT??

Im not blind to the fact that Jacobs isnt what he used to be but the unbridled hate on him and the free pass that Bradshaw gets is ridiculous, I just dont get it. Bradshaw has been blowing dong all season long yet he gets a free pass. Jacobs has a bad game here n there and its like the 2nd coming of the holocaust

because tiny LBers are knocking him back one on one constantly...

i dunno how the view was from where u were sitting, but if u got the game DVR'd, go watch it man.* It honestly looks like we're just handing the ball of to a Tight End
U know where I was, 50yd line in the 300s row 11 or so (behind the 1`st down guy)

If you're gonna question views, where did you watch the game from, cause I saw BJ getting stopped by LBs but that was only after he had 2 other guys jumping on him to help stop BJ

And what do ya mean handing the ball off to a TE, he ran like Tebow?? LOL

i wasn't being sarcastic, I was actually saying, that not seeing it on TV maybe ur missing it. Theres no way u can go rewatch that game and tlel me JAcobs is running hard all the time or even half the time
No matter where you are, unless youre in the huddle, in the locker room, on the sidelines, or in their head, theres no way to tell if a player is 'playing hard'

i couldn't disagree more. Infact, I think any player could think that they are running hard and they may not be.
And I couldnt disagree more

I think most of the time performers lie to themselves about laying it all on the field or how well they played.
LOL, I dont even know how to respond to that statement

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


Matt..."the defense" isn't just one thing. The D line didn't pressure the QB. That was the root of our entire problem on defense last night. The bottom line is that the secondary made some plays. Three picks is nothing to sneeze at. especially given that the QB had all day to throw.</p>

bottom line it wasn't like the coverage was spot on and Prince jumped the WR and made a play on the ball...

If Young throws a good ball its at the very least caught and considering it was DJax, prob a homerun.

My point is that it wasn't like the defense was playing that great, we got breaks.

If a WR is streaking down the field wide open but the QB doesn't see him and throws the ball away, is it good defense or a lucky break?

[JPizzack]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </P>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</P>

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air. It was a good pick. Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing. If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</P>


It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</P>

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>

Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>

Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?

[dezzzR]

Oh yea how has nobody mentioned the excellent game that Chris Canty had. That dude was all over the field

And on that note, WTF if our offense wasnt totally anemic we would have had that game in the damned bag. Our D was stellar for 90% of the game, we FINALLY had some run D, and our guys other than the DEs were really puttin in work.

Our Offense was the problem, they kept the defense on the field for waaaaay too long. 10second drives are not what wins games, unless they result in long bomb TDs but thats not the case

Yes, everyone wants to burn Jacobs at the stake but it was our offense as a whole that crapped the bed last nite

Oh and Weatherford is an AMAZING punter, the guys kicks are constantly money


yea def the DTs played great. Joseph too.

Na man I really can't call our defense steller. We played a bunch of second stringers and we got lucky that DJax is a punk and that VY threw some garbage picks. We did a great job of containing McCoy - thats about as far of praise as I can give.

That offense shouldn't of scored more than once
OK maybe 'stellar' was a lil much, but they played excellent.

We finally had some run D and it was against one of the best RBs in the game.

Those picks other than the 1 that bounced off the eagles helmet were skill not luck, ya gotta give some credit man.

We still play too much zone for my liking, im a press bump n run kinda guy. I want out DBs smacking their diva WRs in the mouth (think slightly less dirty Cortland Finnegan, LOL)

That offense shouldnt have scored more than once cause we were holdin it down on D, but since our Offense kept coming off the field with short 10-30sec drives our D was out there all damned day.

Prince's pick was under thrown and Ross's pick was just a brutal throw right to him which happened in the endzone and he was lucky to stay in bounds. Im saying it just wasn't because our CBs made breaks on the ball, we were lucky VY wa smaking mistakes is my point

but your right about TOP
WOW, you're hating hard body on our D right now.

Those 2 picks were def skill, Prince jumped the route and Ross had tight coverage the whole way down the field into the end zone, I dont know what else you could want from our 2ndary??

We cant pick off EVERY pass man
<u>
I am hating on them and mind u I defended them last week when dezz was trying to kill them. </u>

Prince didn't jump it, he jumped FOR it. If Young was able to lead instead of under throw it was TD Eagles. He made the play, but again, got lucky that Young couldn't make the throw.

and rightly so, we got alex smithed.


lol its amazing how u can<u> give the defense a pass for yesterday</u> but kill them for SF...

ur nuts
did i? im pretty sure i said 6 3rd down conversions on the last drive alone were a joke.
and failing in key moments for 2 years, ect. you know, my usual weekly fewell is garbage rants.

[MattMeyerBud]

bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </P>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</P>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</P>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</P>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air. It was a good pick. Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing. If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</p>


It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</p>

im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
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It wasn't a bad throw. he threw it as far as he could. As I said, it would have had to be thrown 75 yards in the air to hit him in stride.</P>


You are being foolish here. Webby got beat in the Buffalo game but recovered and made a nice pick. It happens.</P>

[Kase-1]

bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him
And one of the things that scouts and GMs rate DBs on is their recovery skill. They expect a DB to get beat once in a while, but do they have the smarts and skill to see where the route is going to develop and if he has the wheels to make up lost ground

IMO to see Prince come back like that was something REAL nice. You can see it in whatever sourpuss jaded way you want to, but it was a great play just like the Ross INT

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
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<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air. It was a good pick. Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing. If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</P>


It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</P>




im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.
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Luck my ***. the guy made a great play on the ball. </P>


And the defense sucked last night. But not because of the secondary.It was mostly or all on the lack of pass rush.</P>

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air.* It was a good pick.* Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing.* If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</P>


It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</P>




im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.
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Luck my ***. the guy made a great play on the ball.* </P>


And the defense sucked last night.* But not because of the secondary.It was mostly or all on the lack of pass rush.</P> I wouldnt say 'sucked' by any means.

Our DEs were raped, but we had some nice spots like Herzlich, Kiwi, and our 2ndary

Pass rush was totally non existant

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


In order for that play to work the QB would have had to throw the ball 75 yards in the air. It was a good pick. Yes he slipped but he outfought the WR for the ball and thats a very good thing. If it was Will Allen or Kevin Dockery, it would have bounced off their hands and gone for a TD for Philly.</p>


It was a good play for a guy litterally was playing his first play in the NFL.</p>




im not killing him or saying luck isn't a good thing

Im just not going to praise the defense for that as a body of work overall. When the offense makes mistakes due to nothign we did - how can u mark a positive up for our play? I just call that being lucky.

I dont think our defense played nearly as good as you guys are suggesting. TOP makes a huge idfference though.
</p>


Luck my ***. the guy made a great play on the ball. </p>


And the defense sucked last night. But not because of the secondary.It was mostly or all on the lack of pass rush.</p>

you can't say he got beat AND made a great play on the ball.

He got beat and got lucky th eball was thrown to him instead of 5 yards ahead of him to a wide open desean jackson who was running full speed

[bigblue4417]

I have to agree with Matt on this one. Collinsworth said Prince got lucky enough times to start to aggravate me but it's true. ***boy had 4 or 5 steps on Prince because he stumbled. ***boy had to slow down to try and catch the ball thus giving Prince a chance to catch up and make the pick. It was still a great catch by the rookie but to say he made a good play is not correct. He got bailed out by a bad throw. If should have been a TD but VY didn't throw it far enough.

We had so many chances and so many breaks go our way and still couldn't get it done.

[JPizzack]

bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him
</P>


Djax is a FREAK of a speed demon. I'm ok with it.

If Prince continuously gets burned....well, then we have issues.
I sure as **** am not going to burn him at the stake for getting a pick in his first ****ing series on our defense...lol. madness.

why are you so positive earlier on, but cant say that this all helped keep it close early on?</P>

[dezzzR]

yo pm kasemoney.

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body today

[dezzzR]

bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him
</p>


Djax is a FREAK of a speed demon. I'm ok with it.

If Prince continuously gets burned....well, then we have issues.
I sure as **** am not going to burn him at the stake for getting a pick in his first ****ing series on our defense...lol. madness.

why are you so positive earlier on, but cant this all helped keep it close early on?</p>lets go easy on the rook. he didnt get burnt or anything, he got tripped up.

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

[dezzzR]

I have to agree with Matt on this one.<u> Collinsworth said Prince got lucky enough times to start to aggravate me but it's true</u>. ***boy had 4 or 5 steps on Prince because he stumbled. ***boy had to slow down to try and catch the ball thus giving Prince a chance to catch up and make the pick. It was still a great catch by the rookie but to say he made a good play is not correct. He got bailed out by a bad throw. If should have been a TD but VY didn't throw it far enough.

We had so many chances and so many breaks go our way and still couldn't get it done.
lol you too?? i hate that nasal voiced ****.

[MattMeyerBud]

bottom line im not responding to each of u individually with the same thing...

If that was a better ball do u not agree that it would of been caught... Djax also had steps on him
</p>


Djax is a FREAK of a speed demon. I'm ok with it.

If Prince continuously gets burned....well, then we have issues.
I sure as **** am not going to burn him at the stake for getting a pick in his first ****ing series on our defense...lol. madness.

why are you so positive earlier on, but cant say that this all helped keep it close early on?</p>

we're talking about a specific play. Im being real.

I dont think i was being that positive before either. Just because I said our LBs actually looked good?

In no situation where a DBack gets beat and then a QB throws a bad ball that gets picked by him does that mean ur defense played it good. Its a lucky play

[bigblue4417]

Brandon Jacobs is averaging 3 yards per carry making him 2nd to last in the NFL.

Last place is of course the biggest bust in Fantasy Football history. lol FML :(

[dezzzR]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body todayyea i agree with this, but why was prince on jackson for his first nfl snap is the real question

[dezzzR]

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gross
</p>

[bigblue4417]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.

[JPizzack]

I'm kinda pissed off that Verlander won the MVP

If a guy who plays every 5 to 6 days can be considered an MVP, well you should have to add another award for just the best overall hitter in baseball. A pitcher tarnishes the MVP, and also makes the silver slugger award, and HR and RBI numbers close to meaningless.

The way I look at it....Verlander was really good in 24 games....
Ellsbury, Granderson, Bautista, Cabrera, A-Gon, Cano.........

Those guys were really good throught the ENTIRE season.</P>


what a joke.</P>

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body todayyea i agree with this, but why was prince on jackson for his first nfl snap is the real question
Yo that song was NASTY man, hell anything DJ Premier touches is a soundgasm

[dezzzR]

I'm kinda pissed off that Verlander won the MVP

If a guy who plays every 5 to 6 days can be considered an MVP, well you should have to add another award for just the best overall hitter in baseball. A pitcher tarnishes the MVP, and also makes the silver slugger award, and HR and RBI numbers close to meaningless.

The way I look at it....Verlander was really good in 24 games....
Ellsbury, Granderson, Bautista, Cabrera, A-Gon, Cano.........

Those guys were really good throught the ENTIRE season.</p>


what a joke.</p>oh he did? good for him, although i agree, no pitcher should ever win the mvp.

[bigblue4417]

If a WR is running a slant route and falls down after the QB throws the ball thus leading to an INT was it a great play by the CB or was he lucky?

If a CB is covering a WR and the CB falls on a slant and go thus leading to a TD was it a great play by the WR or was he lucky?


It works both ways and the answer is the same. It's lucky. Of course they were both in the right spot where they should have been so that is skill and practice but the outcome is luck.

[Morehead State]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</P>


INCORRECT!!!</P>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</P>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body today
regardless - he was lucky it was a bad ball lol... if it wans't all of his recovery wouldn't of mattered. It was only considered a recovery because it was thrown right at him. If it wans't it would of just been he got beat bad

[bigblue4417]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>
He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 45 or 50 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

[bigblue4417]

What a terrible pick by Eli. He didn't even have his feet set. Really not sure what he was thinking throwing this ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=iSqEvdgJ2UM

[dezzzR]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body todayyea i agree with this, but why was prince on jackson for his first nfl snap is the real question
Yo that song was NASTY man, hell anything DJ Premier touches is a soundgasmyea man, iv been on premo binge. i got some new ra too hold up.

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now

[dezzzR]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right nowmatt likes to assume a lot.

[bigblue4417]

Eli is now alone in 2nd place for Giants' all-time TD Passes.

25 behind Phil Simms.


He will break that by the end of the year.

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>

u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
He initially got beat then showed some nice recovery and made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

Yea it would be great for our DBs to press their WRs so hard they cant get 5yds down the field

yea but thats my point Kase...

He wouldn't of had a chance of recovery if it wasn't a bad ball by Young...

i call that lucky since he was lucky the pass wasn't good
He wouldnt have had a chance of recovery if he didnt initially get beat, but he did and he recovered. You say it was a bad throw but now theres talk of a QB battle brewing in Philthy, VY played a good game like he always does against us but you cant take away the fact that Prince made a good play and showed some nice skill

okay but u can't say it wasn't luck that he had a shot to recover

HE recovered and got lucky the ball wasn't thrown to where it should of been

I just don't know what ur arguing at this point. Yes when the ball was thrown to him he made a recovery and play on it, but the fact he even had that opportunity after slipping or being beat is where he got lucky


Im saying his recovery skill is impressive and its a good thing even though you think its something bad. It shows that he has the football IQ and wheels to cover lost ground if he gets beat (and it happens to everyone, even revis, woodson and asomungha) you call it luck but its actually skill. The guy slipped then knew where the route was going and where Djax was, that says something especially for his 1st play

Did you get the 2 for $3 Hatorades at 7-11 before work cause you're hating hard body today
regardless - he was lucky it was a bad ball lol... if it wans't all of his recovery wouldn't of mattered. It was only considered a recovery because it was thrown right at him. If it wans't it would of just been he got beat bad
You can think what you want lucky or not

It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want

[JPizzack]

What a terrible pick by Eli. He didn't even have his feet set. Really not sure what he was thinking throwing this ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=iSqEvdgJ2UM
</P>


yea it was really bad....luckily, I dont think I would even consider it the gamebreaking point of the game.

THE ENTIRE GAME was the breaking point. lol</P>

[JPizzack]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</P>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</P>

[Kase-1]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</P>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</P>But then they would never throw to our Dbs resulting in no ints then matt would be unhappy

There's no pleasing MMB is there??? LOL

[Kase-1]

Yo Dezz that dude Apathy is NICE, I just peeped his song check to check produced by Evidence from Dilated Peoples. Its def some nice stuff

[JPizzack]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</P>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</P>


But then they would never throw to our Dbs resulting in no ints then matt would be unhappy There's no pleasing MMB is there??? LOL</P>


lol.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

What a terrible pick by Eli. He didn't even have his feet set. Really not sure what he was thinking throwing this ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=iSqEvdgJ2UM


if thats the pick from yesterday

first stop looking at his feet... hes made million of throws without his feet set..... it means nothing

he was looking left to right and and the LB was moving right to left...

also part of the fact that he has no time to set and read... our oline has killed our season so far.

[MattMeyerBud]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now

bottom line is he got beat - if he able to recover from getting beat, hes lucky he even had the chance

[Morehead State]

What a terrible pick by Eli. He didn't even have his feet set. Really not sure what he was thinking throwing this ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;v=iSqEvdgJ2UM


if thats the pick from yesterday

first stop looking at his feet... hes made million of throws without his feet set..... it means nothing

he was looking left to right and and the LB was moving right to left...

also part of the fact that he has no time to set and read... our oline has killed our season so far.
</P>


Yeah I tend to agree. Good QB's don't always need their feet set. He just didn't see the LB and made a bad decision. Quite honestly the problem with the play is that he slipped and it threw off his rhythm on the entire play and then rushed a throw.</P>

[bigblue4417]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it
will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol

[MattMeyerBud]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</p>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</p>

well i would think EVERYBODY would WANT that

but its not what im saying

To suggest that a DBack that got BEAT wasn't lucky to make an interception i borderline straight jacket

Key thing baout this debate, is that they've already admitted that Prince got BEAT. His recovery was nice... yes yes... but if the ball was thrown well the recovery wouldn't exist

[Morehead State]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</P>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</P>

[bigblue4417]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they
felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...

[Kase-1]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</font></p>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</p>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondary*has been our weak spot on d. </p>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</p>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed.* He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</p>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!!** He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game.** The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</p>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake.* It was a good play.</p>

stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?



Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man

If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now

bottom line is he got beat -* if he able to recover from getting beat, hes lucky he even had the chance
Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend

[Morehead State]

i have a hard time giving the defense credit for balls that they didn't hurry the QB with that were just bad passes.
</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Youre right.... I wish they were just caught by the eagles receivers so they could stick the fork in us earlier in the game....</FONT></P>




u do realize that if a player gets beat, like Prince did on that play that means he DIDNT do a good job

he got lucky cuz young threw a bad ball

don't be a moron, ur already coming off half-twit when it comes to bradshaw
</P>


he put himself in a position to make a play on the ball once it was in the air.
ALL INTERCEPTIONS are the result of just enough "mistake" from the qb to end up in a defenders hands, unless of course a WR just drops/tips a sure thing.
I'm not going to discredit our defense for getting 3 picks, when typically the secondaryhas been our weak spot on d. </P>


YES OF COURSE, our pass rush was ****. But 3 INTs on a game where our line was doing nothing, means the corners did the best they could.</P>




Prince got beat... bottom line he lucked out it was a bad ball

He made a nice catch on it... i'll give him that. But in respect to what his responsibility is, he failed. He got bailed out by a bad ball by young.

I mean i just don't get it, are u denying that if Vince threw even a DECENT ball that it wouldn't of been completed for a huge gain?
</P>


Matt...It was his FIRST PLAY IN THE NFL!! He didn't even get a chance to play in a pre season game. The guy recovers from a slip and wrestles it away from the WR for a pick.</P>


Cut the kid some slack for God's sake. It was a good play.</P>




stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

Im not killing him for it and its understandable and results outweight anything

BUT if your going to go back and critique the defenses play as a whole and state that we had 3 interceptions thats fine, but how many of them were earned as opposed to given?


Easy, 2 were earned, 1 was given since it bounced off the eagles TEs helmet

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck

lol the difference is if the Giants were on offense and this happened to them ur story would change and my wouldnt
Nope depending on the situation Id be on the same stance Im on right now

bottom line is he got beat - if he able to recover from getting beat, hes lucky he even had the chance
</P>


He was lucky that Vince Young couldn't throw it 75 yards in the air. The QB threw it as far as he could and Prince made a great play on the ball. You can call it whatever you want. I call it an interception.</P>

[bigblue4417]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>
Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.

[Kase-1]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they
felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
Yea we got punked, we shoulda had someone out there DEMOLISH Young the 1st time he threw the ball. Take the late hit flag and fine but make a statement that we're not to be F'd with

They DO realize that this is the same NY Giants that was the infamous Big Blue Wreckin Crew with LT, Carson, Banks, Van Pelt, Kelly, Marshall, Martin, etc....!?!!?!?!?

GET MEAN YA ****IN *******!!!!!

[JPizzack]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</P>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</P>

[bigblue4417]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>
He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...

[Morehead State]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</P>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</P>



Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
</P>


I disagree. You have probably a 50/50 shot. I think Matt actually has less than that. Brady, Gronk and the Pats defense against a crap QB in NE. I look for the Pats D to get 15+ minimum.</P>


I think I will be alive in my bet for another week.</P>

[bigblue4417]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</p>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</p>
It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol

[JPizzack]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</P>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</P>



It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
</P>


i think atheltes should be able to say whatever they want...to the media.</P>


not on twitter and **** like that. i can express how incredibly ghey that is.</P>

[Kase-1]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</p>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</p>

well i would think EVERYBODY would WANT that

but its not what im saying

To suggest that a DBack that got BEAT wasn't lucky to make an interception i borderline straight jacket

Key thing baout this debate, is that they've already admitted that Prince got BEAT.* His recovery was nice... yes yes... but if the ball was thrown well the recovery wouldn't exist


Ill say it was a great play and thats where it ends, you call it luck I call it a great play due to skill and preparation

If if if, well how do you know Dj was his 1st look, what if avant or celek was and when he saw the slip he went to release it???

Youre assuming way too much man

[Morehead State]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</P>


INCORRECT!!!</P>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</P>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</P>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</A>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Morehead</FONT>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</P>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop. If not for the slight slip, Prince would have been step for step.</P>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</P>

[bigblue4417]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol

[Kase-1]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</p>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</p>
It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
Sometimes dirty business needs to be aired out, but then again that would make these already shaky boards crumble under the pressure and stress

Wellington would be calling TC, his staff, and our players ***gots for not going out there on the next play and giving young a blind shot back..... WTF is going on to the mean NYG's that I grew up with

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play

You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT

[dezzzR]

Yo Dezz that dude Apathy is NICE, I just peeped his song check to check produced by Evidence from Dilated Peoples. Its def some nice stuffhell yea that beat is so chill.
celph titled is number 1 though. haha

another pm

[bigblue4417]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop.<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.

[MattMeyerBud]

You can think what you want lucky or not It was a recovery cause he got beat/slipped at the LOS and made up the lost ground the DJ had on him. If he was a worse DB then he would have been beat but he recoverd AND made a play on the ball, I dont know what else you want</p>


he wants shutdown coverage on every down.</p>But then they would never throw to our Dbs resulting in no ints then matt would be unhappy

There's no pleasing MMB is there??? LOL

i would love it if teams never threw on us

[Morehead State]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</P>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</P>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</P>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </P>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</P>

[bigblue4417]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play

You n Matt call it luck,<font color="#0000FF"> Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</font>
We both call it the same thing pimp.

Our point is had the ball been thrown where it should have it's 6 points. That is why we are lucky.

[MattMeyerBud]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>

If I snake a win tonight - ur bet is ****ed

[JPizzack]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</P>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</P>



It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
Sometimes dirty business needs to be aired out, but then again that would make these already shaky boards crumble under the pressure and stress Wellington would be calling TC, his staff, and our players ***gots for not going out there on the next play and giving young a blind shot back..... WTF is going on to the mean NYG's that I grew up with</P>


lmao...youre probably right.
goddamn, i would love if after that djax penalty/taunting, someone just went up and cracked him in the back full speed.
Fine? woooorth itttt....im sure the vets would chip in to pay the tab. I know I would if i were them lol.

There's no fire in football like that anymore.
Like I said this morning....when TO did that think like 10 years ago where he spiked his TD ball on the dallas star....TWICE...and then Teague planted him on his *** right then and there? I LOVE THAT ****!</P>

[bigblue4417]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</p>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </p>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</p>
I am not taking anything away from Prince or the play. You could not dream of a better first play, unless it was a pick 6.

[Morehead State]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</P>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</P>




If I snake a win tonight - ur bet is ****ed
</P>


If a cow had balls it would be a bull.</P>


And who knew that Pats would pull a MMB and start a WR who was not playing.</P>

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</P>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</P>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</P>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </P>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</P>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn

[MattMeyerBud]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>
Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
at least you have chris johnson

[JPizzack]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</P>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</P>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</P>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </P>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</P>


</P>


+1</P>


it was very exciting!</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>



Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
</p>


I disagree. You have probably a 50/50 shot. I think Matt actually has less than that. Brady, Gronk and the Pats defense against a crap QB in NE. I look for the Pats D to get 15+ minimum.</p>


I think I will be alive in my bet for another week.</p>

1.6 difference in MJD to Benson for the record

[lawl]

Bottom line.

Prince was beat on the play and if it was a good throw he wouldve had no chance of even tackling djack.

If VY let's it fly a second earlier, it's 6 points.

[MattMeyerBud]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</p>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</p>



It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
</p>


i think atheltes should be able to say whatever they want...to the media.</p>


not on twitter and **** like that. i can express how incredibly ghey that is.</p>
they can

but then so can the PC ****s of this country

[bigblue4417]

Who knew that Pats would pull a MMB and start a WR who was not playing.
Lawl did the same thing with Mendenhall. Only difference is Julio might have started. Rashard was on a bye. It's so frustrating when people don't set their line ups. It takes 10 seconds. Not like it would have mattered for Lawl or Pats (unless he loses by .80 or less). That makes it a little less frustrating. Plus I wanted Lawl to lose.

[lawl]

Who knew that Pats would pull a MMB and start a WR who was not playing.
Lawl did the same thing with Mendenhall. Only difference is Julio might have started. Rashard was on a bye. It's so frustrating when people don't set their line ups. It takes 10 seconds. Not like it would have mattered for Lawl or Pats (unless he loses by .80 or less).


I was in the lab from thursday nite to Sunday evening...noone i would have been able to pick up or play on my team would have put up more than 5 points.

I was going for the glory of beating the top team while playing down a man.

[MattMeyerBud]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop.<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.


they convinced me lando

it was pure skill on Prince's part to make VY under throw the ball...

this kid has powers beyond imagination

[Morehead State]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</P>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</P>



It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
Sometimes dirty business needs to be aired out, but then again that would make these already shaky boards crumble under the pressure and stress Wellington would be calling TC, his staff, and our players ***gots for not going out there on the next play and giving young a blind shot back..... WTF is going on to the mean NYG's that I grew up with</P>


lmao...youre probably right.
goddamn, i would love if after that djax penalty/taunting, someone just went up and cracked him in the back full speed.
Fine? woooorth itttt....im sure the vets would chip in to pay the tab. I know I would if i were them lol.

There's no fire in football like that anymore.
Like I said this morning....when TO did that think like 10 years ago where he spiked his TD ball on the dallas star....TWICE...and then Teague planted him on his *** right then and there? I LOVE THAT ****!</P>


</P>


The announcers did a terrible job explaining that rule on the taunting penalty. Its actually a terrible rule. the Giants actually benefitted from being called for illegal use of hands. If there was no Giants penalty, the play would have counted and they would have just lost 15 yards. But since there was a Giants penalty, it was offsetting and the play came completely back.</P>


This worked against the Giants several years ago when they had a free play on an off side. Shockey made a huge play up the middle and then spiked the ball near an opposing player. It still would have been a first down but a loss of 15 yards. but since their was a defensive penalty, it came all the way back. the Giants got stopped and had to punt. It was a huge play in the game and they lost the game. Probably would have won otherwise.</P>


Its a terrible rule that needs to be changed. You can't be benefitting from committing a penalty.</P>

[bigblue4417]

<font color="#000000">I was going for the glory of beating the top team while playing down a man.</font>
LMAO!!!

[bigblue4417]

Bottom line.

Prince was beat on the play and<font color="#0000FF"> if it was a good throw he wouldve had no chance of even tackling djack.</font>

If VY let's it fly a second earlier, it's 6 points.
So would you say we were "lucky"?

[bigblue4417]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop.<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.


they convinced me lando

it was pure skill on Prince's part to make VY under throw the ball...

this kid has powers beyond imagination

He was training at Hogwarts during his rehabilitation.

[JPizzack]

Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn</P>


http://veryknowledge.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cmonman.jpg?w=506&amp;h=189</P>

[bigblue4417]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>
Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
at least you have chris johnson



I said that to you yesterday, get your own line. lol

[dezzzR]

Giants defensive players are disgusted today. They met as a defense today and Rolle and Canty say things have to change.

Rolle and Tuck not saying what they really want to say about how they felt about Eagles hitting Eli late, knocking out Ware, DeSean taunting

We got punked...
</p>


im confused by hte context of that 2nd part...what do you mean?
They are not saying how pissed they are? not saying what should have been done? i dont get it.</p>



It's what Ohm posted on Twitter. I just think they didn't want to start talking **** and tell everyone what pieces of **** they are. They are trying to be professional I guess. lol
Sometimes dirty business needs to be aired out, but then again that would make these already shaky boards crumble under the pressure and stress Wellington would be calling TC, his staff, and our players ***gots for not going out there on the next play and giving young a blind shot back..... WTF is going on to the mean NYG's that I grew up with</p>


lmao...youre probably right.
goddamn, i would love if after that djax penalty/taunting, someone just went up and cracked him in the back full speed.
Fine? woooorth itttt....im sure the vets would chip in to pay the tab. I know I would if i were them lol.

There's no fire in football like that anymore.
Like I said this morning....when TO did that think like 10 years ago where he spiked his TD ball on the dallas star....TWICE...and then Teague planted him on his *** right then and there? I LOVE THAT ****!</p>yea like iv been saying, we need some tude/swag on this team. stra had it, ap had it. its an aggressive im going to do anything to win attitude. and its contagious.
Ill always remember stra standing up turner one year we played atlanta. one of the first plays of the game, run to stra side, turner gets wrecked, mike gets up and shouts as loud as he can literally in turners face "YOU KNOW YOU CANT RUN ON 92 *****!!!!!!". needless to say we beat the **** out of the falcons that game.
team needs to get mean. enough slapping helmets of opposing players. its like theres not a mean bone on the whole d. it reminds me of the scene from the little giants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsXkrBV80A&amp;feature=related
"intimidation, raaaghrrrrrr"

[MattMeyerBud]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>
Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
at least you have chris johnson



I said that to you yesterday, get your own line. lol


lol i thought u were serious

[bigblue4417]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</p>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </p>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol

[lawl]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass.

Was prince beat in the play? Yes

Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes

Thats all it comes down to

[JPizzack]

He was training at Hogwarts during his rehabilitation.
</P>


ok, I lol'd</P>

[Morehead State]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</P>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</P>



Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
</P>


I disagree. You have probably a 50/50 shot. I think Matt actually has less than that. Brady, Gronk and the Pats defense against a crap QB in NE. I look for the Pats D to get 15+ minimum.</P>


I think I will be alive in my bet for another week.</P>




1.6 difference in MJD to Benson for the record
</P>


Still think my team is better with MJD. How about Stafford? 40 points yesterday and shoot outs coming next two weeks vs. GB and NO. That broken hand must have hurt when he wass throwing those 5 TD passes..Hahahahaha!!!!</P>

[bigblue4417]

FYI, if neither Vince Wilfork nor Alan Bailey score tonight on MNF it will be first time since wk 14 of 2002 that no Hurricane scores in NFL



That is a pretty crazy stat. Almost a decade. lol
</p>


I'll be watching with great interest the production of many of the Pats tonight. Should be fun for me who has nothing riding....except 5 bucks.</p>
Yeah, me to. lol I think I am screwed tonight. Hopefully they don't run the ball at all and Brady doesn't throw any passes to Branch. I give myself about a 4% chance of winning tonight.

Also AP has a grade 1 high ankle sprain with some ligament damage. He will be out "at least" 1 game. Sounds pretty awesome to me! Oh well, can't really control injuries.
at least you have chris johnson



I said that to you yesterday, get your own line. lol


lol i thought u were serious

LMAO Really?

[bigblue4417]

<div class="report">


Coach Tom Coughlin said Monday that he still
needs a "green light" from the Giants' medical staff in order for Ahmad
Bradshaw (foot) to resume practicing and playing on game days.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The Giants sounded optimistic about Bradshaw's
return late last week, but they're still awaiting medical clearance.
Bradshaw needs to be able to practice to play. The Giants will face the
Saints on Monday Night Football this week.
</div>

[Morehead State]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</P>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</P>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</P>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</P>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</P>

[bigblue4417]

He was training at Hogwarts during his rehabilitation.
</p>


ok, I lol'd</p>
Did you watch the new Beavis and Butthead when Butthead mentioned that during the child molester part and the whole calling 911 thing? LMAO

[Kase-1]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince?** Thats like 8 yards for God's sake.* That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered.* He never had more than a step on Prince.** Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards.* that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint.* So 65 yards and not 75 yards.* (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway).* Both players came to almost a complete stop.*<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage.* If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.


they convinced me lando

it was pure skill on Prince's part to make VY under throw the ball...

this kid has powers beyond imagination
Nah man you convinced me. Prince is an awful player who is is all luck and will be cut during the offseason

If he didnt have his 4 leaf clover in his jock then he woulda NEVER made that pick

[MattMeyerBud]

so these are my predicaments

Big Money League, non PPR. I'm up 12.4 vs Aaron Hernandez

MY league up 7 with Ocho &amp; Battle vs Welker

This league, up 42.8 vs BRady, Gronk, NE

PPR league, 1 point per PPR and 100 yard 5 point bonus. I'm up 18.8 vs Bowe



Perfect storm:

Brady 3 TDs, 240 yards , 1 INT

Gronk 80 yards

Hernandez 40 yards TD

Ocho 50 yards

Welker 80 yards TD

Pats D - 6 points

Battle 60 yards

Bowe 5 Receptions 90 yards

[JPizzack]

yea like iv been saying, we need some tude/swag on this team. stra had it, ap had it. its an aggressive im going to do anything to win attitude. and its contagious.
Ill always remember stra standing up turner one year we played atlanta. one of the first plays of the game, run to stra side, turner gets wrecked, mike gets up and shouts as loud as he can literally in turners face "YOU KNOW YOU CANT RUN ON 92 *****!!!!!!". needless to say we beat the **** out of the falcons that game.
team needs to get mean. enough slapping helmets of opposing players. its like theres not a mean bone on the whole d. it reminds me of the scene from the little giants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsXkrBV80A&amp;feature=related
"intimidation, raaaghrrrrrr"
</P>


not that it's relevant....but, Turner didn't play in Atlanta when Strahan played.
He was Ladanian's backup in SD still.

HOWEVER, the overall point I understand, and agree with lol</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</p>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </p>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play

Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff

Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it

[MattMeyerBud]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop.<font color="#0000FF"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.


they convinced me lando

it was pure skill on Prince's part to make VY under throw the ball...

this kid has powers beyond imagination
Nah man you convinced me. Prince is an awful player who is is all luck and will be cut during the offseason

If he didnt have his 4 leaf clover in his jock then he woulda NEVER made that pick

becuase thats what i said... just because Djax had him beat on one play that obviously translates into prince is an awful player who is all luck

[MattMeyerBud]

yea like iv been saying, we need some tude/swag on this team. stra had it, ap had it. its an aggressive im going to do anything to win attitude. and its contagious.
Ill always remember stra standing up turner one year we played atlanta. one of the first plays of the game, run to stra side, turner gets wrecked, mike gets up and shouts as loud as he can literally in turners face "YOU KNOW YOU CANT RUN ON 92 *****!!!!!!". needless to say we beat the **** out of the falcons that game.
team needs to get mean. enough slapping helmets of opposing players. its like theres not a mean bone on the whole d. it reminds me of the scene from the little giants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsXkrBV80A&amp;feature=related
"intimidation, raaaghrrrrrr"
</p>


not that it's relevant....but, Turner didn't play in Atlanta when Strahan played.
He was Ladanian's backup in SD still.

HOWEVER, the overall point I understand, and agree with lol</p>

LMAO wasn't gonna point it out

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so

[Kase-1]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?

[dezzzR]

if ur dback gets burnt and then the QB throws a bad ball to a wide open WR that gets picked- thats not earned - thats lucked out
LOL I can keep this up all day man If your dback makes a heads up play after slipping and then makes a play on the ball its skill not luck
LOL Kase, listen man....

If the ball is thrown correctly it's a TD right?

so,

If the ball is underthrown giving the CB that slipped a chance to make the play it's lucky that he had that chance.

hence,

Prince made a great play by getting back in there and catching the ball. He was lucky to have the chance because it should have been a TD.
</p>


INCORRECT!!!</p>


The ball had to be thrown farther than Vince Young has ever throw a ball to be throw correct.</p>


And you said he had 4 or five steps on Prince? Thats like 8 yards for God's sake. That was never the case.</p>



He is almost 5 yards past him at one point. It was about a 50 or 55 yard pass. We all know VY can throw it farther than that. But since you don't believe me you can watch it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOfw5lIrpg8</a>

<font color="#0000ff" size="4">Morehead</font>

Still waiting to see what you say about this? I just saw you said it would have had to be a 75 yard pass. You are wrong sir. Watch the replay...
</p>


First of all it looks to me like the coverage was much better than I remembered. He never had more than a step on Prince. Secondly the throw had to be throw from inside the 5 which makes it 55 yards. that pass had to be thrown another 10 yards to be over Prince's head on a full sprint. So 65 yards and not 75 yards. (I was making the 75 yard thing up anyway). Both players came to almost a complete stop.<font color="#0000ff"> <font color="#000000">If not for the slight slip</font>,</font> Prince would have been step for step.</p>


The point I was making is that VY had to throw it further than he was capable, and that makes it good coverage. If you watch Young throw the ball, you will see that he threw it as far as he could.</p>
It was a great play by Prince. He made up the ground and made a great pick.

We were lucky the ball was not thrown where it should have and could have.


they convinced me lando

it was pure skill on Prince's part to make VY under throw the ball...

this kid has powers beyond imagination
oh stop acting like a swamp donkey and just be happy a high round pick caught an int his first snap against jackson. in man coverage might i add.

[Morehead State]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</P>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</P>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</P>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </P>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</P>


Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it</P>


Because they are a bunch of Giants haters, Kase.</P>


You know since Matt has McCoy on that last long run Matt was yelling..."Go..go....go!!!!!!!"</P>


</P>

[Kase-1]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

[MattMeyerBud]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</p>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </p>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play

Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff

Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it

we're dissecting a specific play to a debate over how the defense played

ur trying to turn this into us flaming Prince. Players get beat, he tripped and got beat. He was lucky it was under thrown. If it wasn't he wouldn't of had a play on the ball.

So to suggest he didn't get lucky it was under thrown is ridiculous

[Morehead State]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
</P>


Lets face it Matt, you hate Prince. You're probably pissed off that we didn't trade that pick for John Henderson.</P>


Hahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</P>

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</P>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</P>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</P>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </P>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</P>


Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it</P>


Because they are a bunch of Giants haters, Kase.</P>


You know since Matt has McCoy on that last long run Matt was yelling..."Go..go....go!!!!!!!"</P>


*</P>LOL MMB actually told me that pic of 'blondies ex' is actually a younger pic of him and that Matt is really an iggles spy

LOL jk buddy

[bigblue4417]

Coughlin says he did not question team's effort but wasn't happy with intensity. He's encouraged hearing that players are angry.

Coughlin on his harsh postgame assessment a day later, "I wish I wasn't right."

Coughlin said "my blood pressure" is still rising a day after loss to Eagles despite picking Young off 3xs.

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not
Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better.

Coughlin says CB Michael Coe will require surgery on shoulder and "we will lose him."

Coughlin said Jimmy Kennedy will be put back on 53-man roster. Will Beatty getting back checked out.

[dezzzR]

yea like iv been saying, we need some tude/swag on this team. stra had it, ap had it. its an aggressive im going to do anything to win attitude. and its contagious.
Ill always remember stra standing up turner one year we played atlanta. one of the first plays of the game, run to stra side, turner gets wrecked, mike gets up and shouts as loud as he can literally in turners face "YOU KNOW YOU CANT RUN ON 92 *****!!!!!!". needless to say we beat the **** out of the falcons that game.
team needs to get mean. enough slapping helmets of opposing players. its like theres not a mean bone on the whole d. it reminds me of the scene from the little giants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsXkrBV80A&amp;feature=related
"intimidation, raaaghrrrrrr"
</p>


not that it's relevant....but, Turner didn't play in Atlanta when Strahan played.
He was Ladanian's backup in SD still.

HOWEVER, the overall point I understand, and agree with lol</p>opps yea it was dunn i believe.

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</p>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </p>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play

Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff

Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it

we're dissecting a specific play to a debate over how the defense played

ur trying to turn this into us flaming Prince. Players get beat, he tripped and got beat. He was lucky it was under thrown. If it wasn't he wouldn't of had a play on the ball.

So to suggest he didn't get lucky it was under thrown is ridiculous
OK I guess we ARe still talking about this, LOL

Nah its me, pappy, pizz n possibly dezz saying Princes pick was skill and you lando and lawl saying it was luck

.... Good think Prince doesnt leave home without his lucky 4 leaf clover and rabbits foot

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
</p>


Lets face it Matt, you hate Prince. You're probably pissed off that we didn't trade that pick for John Henderson.</p>


Hahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</p>

haha the funny part about u mentioning Henderson - go ask Oakland how they are liking him

He is having a great year over there in a limited role, which is exactly what I said we should of gotten him for

Just another thing i was right on that u'll come around with per usual

[Kase-1]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not
Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better.

Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

[Kase-1]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job.* Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situation

[Morehead State]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
</P>


Lets face it Matt, you hate Prince. You're probably pissed off that we didn't trade that pick for John Henderson.</P>


Hahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</P>




haha the funny part about u mentioning Henderson - go ask Oakland how they are liking him

He is having a great year over there in a<FONT size=4> <U>limited role</U></FONT>, which is exactly what I said we should of gotten him for

Just another thing i was right on that u'll come around with per usual
</P>


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!</P>


You are cracking me up!</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</p>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </p>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</p>


Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it</p>


Because they are a bunch of Giants haters, Kase.</p>


You know since Matt has McCoy on that last long run Matt was yelling..."Go..go....go!!!!!!!"</p>


</p>LOL MMB actually told me that pic of 'blondies ex' is actually a younger pic of him and that Matt is really an iggles spy

LOL jk buddy

http://lolzombie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/wvwwdxmdxl9dwzlifgjkyaflo1_400jpg_jpeg.jpg

[Kase-1]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
</p>


Lets face it Matt,* you hate Prince.* You're probably pissed off that we didn't trade that pick for John Henderson.</p>


Hahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</p>

haha the funny part about u mentioning Henderson - go ask Oakland how they are liking him

He is having a great year over there in a limited role, which is exactly what I said we should of gotten him for

Just another thing i was right on that u'll come around with per usual

Yo senn pass that Kush back here

puff puff GIVE

[MattMeyerBud]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one. I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack. Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.</p>


Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson. </p>


Do you guys even have a heart? Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play

Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff

Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it

we're dissecting a specific play to a debate over how the defense played

ur trying to turn this into us flaming Prince. Players get beat, he tripped and got beat. He was lucky it was under thrown. If it wasn't he wouldn't of had a play on the ball.

So to suggest he didn't get lucky it was under thrown is ridiculous
OK I guess we ARe still talking about this, LOL

Nah its me, pappy, pizz n possibly dezz saying Princes pick was skill and you lando and lawl saying it was luck

.... Good think Prince doesnt leave home without his lucky 4 leaf clover and rabbits foot

great skill to recover... still lucky to even be in that position after he was beat...

either way, he was lucky to be in that position to make the play.

[bigblue4417]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.

<font color="#0000FF">If the shoe were on the other foot MH would be hating on Eli for making a bad throw. Not praising the DB for making a great play. </font>

[MattMeyerBud]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not
Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better.

Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

Coughlin still refuses to use Scott. Until something changes with his opinion of personel, i'll still say i'm right

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</p>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </p>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</p>


Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it</p>


Because they are a bunch of Giants haters, Kase.</p>


You know since Matt has McCoy on that last long run Matt was yelling..."Go..go....go!!!!!!!"</p>


*</p>LOL MMB actually told me that pic of 'blondies ex' is actually a younger pic of him and that Matt is really an iggles spy

LOL jk buddy

http://lolzombie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/wvwwdxmdxl9dwzlifgjkyaflo1_400jpg_jpeg.jpg

LMAO excellent

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
</p>


Lets face it Matt, you hate Prince. You're probably pissed off that we didn't trade that pick for John Henderson.</p>


Hahahahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!</p>




haha the funny part about u mentioning Henderson - go ask Oakland how they are liking him

He is having a great year over there in a<font size="4"> <u>limited role</u></font>, which is exactly what I said we should of gotten him for

Just another thing i was right on that u'll come around with per usual
</p>


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!</p>


You are cracking me up!</p>

are u suggesting that the Raiders don't have one of the top 3 DLines in the league?

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situation

you moorehead and pizz aren't a majority lol

[dezzzR]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.

[Kase-1]

Bottom line is he got beat at the LOS and recovered cause he knew where the route was developing. Skill over luck my friend
You need to watch the replay to. He didn't get beat at the LOS. ***boy just ran past him. Then he could have been called for illegal contact but wasn't. He was lucky VY didn't throw it farther because that should have been a TD. He shouldn't have even had a chance to make a play on the ball.

It was lucky Kase...lol
They just showed the replay on NFL Primetime and it was damned good coverage, you and matt need to lay off the hatorade. He was almost step by step with him and when the ball was in the air he jumped infront of DJ and made a play You n Matt call it luck, Ill call it skill and a beautiful INT</p>


I'm very happy to be on Kase's side on this one.** I feel badly that I kicked his *** so badly this weekend.</p>


You guys need to cut the kid some slack.* Word is that two weeks ago, he was still limping in practice on that broken foot.*</p>


*Then he goes out, on his first play ever in the NFL and takes the ball away from Desean Jackson.** </p>


Do you guys even have a heart?* Or is it just me and Kase?</p>Thanks for rubbing it in buddy, LOL

I dont thinke they realize that he hasnt really been practicing up to full speed for months and the 1st play the kid is in on and they say its all luck and no skill.... How can you hate on that badass gumby (hair) cut that Prince has

I think me you and Pizz are the only ones out there that are reasonable on this one. Kid doesnt play in about a year, 1st play makes a pick on a game changing WR and people say it was all luck..... Cmaaaaaannnnn
It was lucky the ball was underthrown. The pick was not lucky at all. Had the ball not been underthrown there would have been no pick at all because ***boy would still be running.

How many more times will I have to say this? lol
It wasnt a perfect pass, and no INT is a perfect pass, but you guys are practically burning this guy at the stake for making an INT on his 1st nfl play

Yea and if it was Peyton Manning throwing the ball to Amani Toomer it would be the sexiest play ever, BFD. Enough with all these if's and woulda coulda shoulda stuff

Prince made a sexy INT you and MMB now have to live with it and EMBRACE it

we're dissecting a specific play to a debate over how the defense played

ur trying to turn this into us flaming Prince. Players get beat, he tripped and got beat. He was lucky it was under thrown. If it wasn't he wouldn't of had a play on the ball.

So to suggest he didn't get lucky it was under thrown is ridiculous
OK I guess we ARe still talking about this, LOL

Nah its me, pappy, pizz n possibly dezz saying Princes pick was skill and you lando and lawl saying it was luck

.... Good think Prince doesnt leave home without his lucky 4 leaf clover and rabbits foot

great skill to recover... still lucky to even be in that position after he was beat...

either way, he was lucky to be in that position to make the play.

Great skill to recover, good IQ and natural skill allowed him to be in that position

Skill sen SkILLS!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KgtGs1ny0k&ob=av2e

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lLpAsJyf_xg/TKtN_EOBFjI/AAAAAAAADN0/Xi6doF3xF34/s1600/Gangstarr+-+Skills+(CD-Single)+-+2003+-+(192).jpg

[Morehead State]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

Coughlin still refuses to use Scott. Until something changes with his opinion of personel, i'll still say i'm right
</P>


Well he did fumble inside the 10 yard line last night.</P>

[Kase-1]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job.* Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situation

you moorehead and pizz* aren't* a majority lol

Dont forget Dezzy Dezz

[Kase-1]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

Coughlin still refuses to use Scott. Until something changes with his opinion of personel, i'll still say i'm right
</P>


Well he did fumble inside the 10 yard line last night.</P>Give the kid more carries and give DJ Ware a hairnet cause he should be working concession stands for us

[MattMeyerBud]

<div class="report">Raiders agreed to terms with DT John Henderson on a two-year, $8 million contract.</div> <div class="impact">Owner
Al Davis is reportedly wielding more control over his franchise right
now than at any time in the recent past, and he's spending money like a
dozen drunken sailors on shore leave. Big John emerged as the Raiders'
best pure run stopper last season, but it's yet another questionable
contract for Oakland. Henderson earned just $1 million last season
while missing seven games. <span class="date">Feb 24 - 6:23 PM


i put no stock in Al Davis contract, but just getting literature on big john for u since ur out of touch
</span></div>

[bigblue4417]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not
Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better.

Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL
He is just trying to boost the confidence of his shot worthless RB.

The guy doesn't want to play for our team anymore and it shows on the field.

I know you are the biggest Jacobs supporter of all of us but this guy is not the guy he was and from the looks of it will never get back to it or doesn't care to.

“I just can’t wait to get a true opportunity to get out there and show myself again,” Jacobs said. Nov 4th
<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Well Jacobs, have not seen anything yet.
</div>

[MattMeyerBud]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

Coughlin still refuses to use Scott. Until something changes with his opinion of personel, i'll still say i'm right
</p>


Well he did fumble inside the 10 yard line last night.</p>

he was down, that wasn't ruled as a fumble.

[dezzzR]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situation

you moorehead and pizz aren't a majority lol
im the swing vote

[Morehead State]

<DIV class=report>Raiders agreed to terms with DT John Henderson on a two-year, $8 million contract.</DIV>
<DIV class=impact>Owner Al Davis is reportedly wielding more control over his franchise right now than at any time in the recent past, and he's spending money like a dozen drunken sailors on shore leave. Big John emerged as the Raiders' best pure run stopper last season, but it's yet another questionable contract for Oakland. Henderson earned just $1 million last season while missing seven games. <SPAN class=date>Feb 24 - 6:23 PM


i put no stock in Al Davis contract, but just getting literature on big john for u since ur out of touch
</SPAN></DIV>


</P>


</P>


You know of course that Al Davis is dead...Right?</P>


And was a laughing stock before he died. </P>


Can you say Darius Hayword-Bey?</P>


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! The hits just keep on coming.</P>


</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?

[bigblue4417]

you moorehead and pizz aren't a majority lol

Dont forget Dezzy Dezz
We all know his opinion doesn't matter when it comes to sports [;)]

He wanted Jeter benched. lol

[MattMeyerBud]

<div class="report">Raiders agreed to terms with DT John Henderson on a two-year, $8 million contract.</div>
<div class="impact">Owner Al Davis is reportedly wielding more control over his franchise right now than at any time in the recent past, and he's spending money like a dozen drunken sailors on shore leave. Big John emerged as the Raiders' best pure run stopper last season, but it's yet another questionable contract for Oakland. Henderson earned just $1 million last season while missing seven games. <span class="date">Feb 24 - 6:23 PM


i put no stock in Al Davis contract, but just getting literature on big john for u since ur out of touch
</span></div>


</p>


</p>


You know of course that Al Davis is dead...Right?</p>


And was a laughing stock before he died. </p>


Can you say Darius Hayword-Bey?</p>


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! The hits just keep on coming.</p>


</p>

what does that have to do with him being their best run stopper?

That awsn't an Al Davis qoute...

(when pappy types out his laughs, thats another tell when he knows hes wrong)

[Kase-1]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not
Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better.

Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL
He is just trying to boost the confidence of his shot worthless RB.

The guy doesn't want to play for our team anymore and it shows on the field.

I know you are the biggest Jacobs supporter of all of us but this guy is not the guy he was and from the looks of it will never get back to it or doesn't care to.

“I just can’t wait to get a true opportunity to get out there and show myself again,” Jacobs said. Nov 4th
<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Well Jacobs, have not seen anything yet.
</div>

Id say that he's speaking the truth, we were getting penetrated more than a $5 hooker last nite. Thats the fault of the OL not BJ.

Yes I am one of the biggest BJ supporters (especially when you're driving, LOL) but I realize he's not running like he used to but then agian our line isnt blocking like THEY used to

My biggest knock on Jacobs is that he takes everything personally, peolpe were booing our OC and cursing out Killdrive yet BJ assumed it was purely directed at him which is false. I dunno maybe he just doesnt have the emotional stability to play in NY.... We're a tough bunch to please

[Morehead State]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
</P>


He threw it as far as he could.</P>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</P>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</P>

[bigblue4417]

<p class="DNTEXT">
“What would be better than the opportunity he’s going to get now?” said
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride. “He’s been clamoring for a
chance.</p>
<p class="DNTEXT">
“This is an opportunity. You want to show what you can do,” Gilbride
continued. “I’m looking forward to seeing the way he plays. I think he’s
going to respond very well. I’m excited about seeing him play.”</p>
<p class="DNTEXT">
<font color="#0000FF">It’s been years since we’ve seen the real Jacobs — or at least what he
keeps telling us is the real Jacobs.</font> He used to be a dangerous, 6-4,
260-pound running back with 4.4 speed, one who recorded consecutive
1,000-yard seasons in 2007-08. But injuries took their toll, as everyone
always seemed to know they would. He had knee surgery after the 2009
season and was forced to take a $1.75 million pay cut just to remain
with the Giants this year.</p>
<p class="DNTEXT">
<font color="#0000FF">His decline has been startling: he has just two 100-yard performances
in his last 36 games. He is almost certain to be cut in March before a
$500,000 roster bonus kicks in (not to mention a $4.4 million salary in
2012).</font></p>
<p class="DNTEXT">
Jacobs, 29, has always been an angry young man, but with him now on
pace for just 352 yards this season (42 carries, 126 yards so far),<font color="#0000FF"> he
looks more like an attitude problem</font>, too.</p>
<p class="DNTEXT">
If he blows this opportunity now, no matter how long it lasts, who is
going to take a chance on a mouthy, aging, injury-prone back with a
knack for creating negative headlines? Running backs are expendable in
the NFL. Yes, Jacobs vowed earlier this week to “turn it around” with a
new attitude after the latest in a string of heart-to-heart talks with
family members and friends. But if that doesn’t translate into actual
production, the entire league will see he’s more trouble than he’s
worth.</p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">

</div>

[dezzzR]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL

Coughlin still refuses to use Scott. Until something changes with his opinion of personel, i'll still say i'm right
</p>


Well he did fumble inside the 10 yard line last night.</p>

he was down, that wasn't ruled as a fumble.
yea he was down, as he went to the sidelined tc mouth got to hold on to the ball or something like that. still this kid is to explosive to be sitting on his ***! were so one dimensional on O its disgusting. both times he touches the ball he gets 10 yards and hes done for the night. what are they doing??

[dezzzR]

you moorehead and pizz aren't a majority lol

Dont forget Dezzy Dezz
We all know his opinion doesn't matter when it comes to sports [;)]

He wanted Jeter benched. lol
i didnt want him benched lol i wanted him moved up the order.

[Morehead State]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL
He is just trying to boost the confidence of his shot worthless RB.

The guy doesn't want to play for our team anymore and it shows on the field.

I know you are the biggest Jacobs supporter of all of us but this guy is not the guy he was and from the looks of it will never get back to it or doesn't care to.

“I just can’t wait to get a true opportunity to get out there and show myself again,” Jacobs said. Nov 4th

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Well Jacobs, have not seen anything yet.
</DIV>



Id say that he's speaking the truth, we were getting penetrated more than a $5 hooker last nite. Thats the fault of the OL not BJ. Yes I am one of the biggest BJ supporters (especially when you're driving, LOL) but I realize he's not running like he used to but then agian our line isnt blocking like THEY used to My biggest knock on Jacobs is that he takes everything personally, peolpe were booing our OC and cursing out Killdrive yet BJ assumed it was purely directed at him which is false. I dunno maybe he just doesnt have the emotional stability to play in NY.... We're a tough bunch to please</P>


7 years of hits to his knees, #5 all time on the Giants rushing list, a SB chamionship, and a broken light bulb at Texas Stadium would all suggest otherwise.</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
</p>


He threw it as far as he could.</p>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</p>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</p>

lol the fact that u suggest VY doesn't have a big arm is whats funny

[dezzzR]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.

Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya

We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck

I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
i dont think vy could have thrown it any further to be honest.

[Morehead State]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
</P>


He threw it as far as he could.</P>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</P>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</P>




lol the fact that u suggest VY doesn't have a big arm is whats funny
</P>


He clearly threw it as far as he could. I'm not making a comment on his arm. Just saying that if he could throw it further, he would have.</P>

[dezzzR]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
</p>


He threw it as far as he could.</p>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</p>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</p>

lol the fact that u suggest VY doesn't have a big arm is whats funny
it does look like vy really gives it all he has in the replay. come on give prince credit. he closed in very well and attacked the ball. job well done in my eyes.

[bigblue4417]

<div class="comment_date">


12:21 PM
Nov 21, 2011</p>
</div>
<div class="comment_txt">


If Jacobs ran the ball like he does his mouth, he'd be an all pro
</p></div>
LMAO!!!

[Kase-1]

Coughlin says blocking was more the culprit of poor running game, not Jacobs. He said tight ends, backs and line must block better. Uh oh Matt, you better let TC know he's wrong, LOL
He is just trying to boost the confidence of his shot worthless RB.

The guy doesn't want to play for our team anymore and it shows on the field.

I know you are the biggest Jacobs supporter of all of us but this guy is not the guy he was and from the looks of it will never get back to it or doesn't care to.

“I just can’t wait to get a true opportunity to get out there and show myself again,” Jacobs said. Nov 4th

<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; TEXT-ALIGN: left; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); OVERFLOW: hidden; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; TEXT-DECORATION: none">
Well Jacobs, have not seen anything yet.
</DIV>



Id say that he's speaking the truth, we were getting penetrated more than a $5 hooker last nite. Thats the fault of the OL not BJ. Yes I am one of the biggest BJ supporters (especially when you're driving, LOL) but I realize he's not running like he used to but then agian our line isnt blocking like THEY used to My biggest knock on Jacobs is that he takes everything personally, peolpe were booing our OC and cursing out Killdrive yet BJ assumed it was purely directed at him which is false. I dunno maybe he just doesnt have the emotional stability to play in NY.... We're a tough bunch to please</P>


7 years of hits to his knees, #5 all time on the Giants rushing list, a SB chamionship, and a broken light bulb at Texas Stadium would all suggest otherwise.</P>Well yea when the going is going good, everyone is happy. When the tish hits the fan, thats when you find out peoples inner character

[bigblue4417]

you moorehead and pizz aren't a majority lol

Dont forget Dezzy Dezz
We all know his opinion doesn't matter when it comes to sports [;)]

He wanted Jeter benched. lol
i didnt want him benched lol i wanted him moved up the order.

No way. I think you even mentioned trading him to the Sox at one point.

Anyone remember either of these?

[bigblue4417]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
<font color="#0000FF"></font>

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>

[Morehead State]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</P>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</P>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</P>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</P>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</P>




to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>

<FONT color=#0000ff size=5>KASE?</FONT>
</P>


When you quote yourself a hole is torn in the universe.</P>

[bigblue4417]

I want an answer...lol

[Kase-1]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
<font color="#0000FF"></font>

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>
He was in good position to make the pick cause he closed in with great speed, read the route so he knew where it was going, made an excellent jump to cut off the path of the ball to djack

And if had not slipped who knows if Djack would even get the look, you guys are assuming way too much.

If it was a leap year, during a religious holiday, and there was a barometric pressure of 65 then BJ is guaranteed to rush for 224yds and 5tds.... Assumptions hold no water, as the old saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

[bigblue4417]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
<font color="#0000FF"></font>

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>
<font color="#000000">He was in good position to make the pick cause he closed in with great speed</font>, read the route so he knew where it was going, made an excellent jump to cut off the path of the ball to djack

<font color="#0000FF">And if had not slipped who knows if Djack would even get the look,</font> you guys are assuming way too much.

If it was a leap year, during a religious holiday, and there was a barometric pressure of 65 then BJ is guaranteed to rush for 224yds and 5tds.... Assumptions hold no water, as the old saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
The ball was already in the air Kase. lol

There are no assumptions on my part. I give up.

Nice play nonetheless by the rookie. He still had to catch it.

[MattMeyerBud]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
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He threw it as far as he could.</p>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</p>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</p>

lol the fact that u suggest VY doesn't have a big arm is whats funny
it does look like vy really gives it all he has in the replay. come on give prince credit. he closed in very well and attacked the ball. job well done in my eyes.


lol he tripped and DJax had 5 yards on him and because of that, thats why we were lucky that not only did DJax not catch it and run fo ra TD, but we ended with the pick. He got lucky that he was able to make a nice play on the ball for the pick..

[bigblue4417]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>

[Kase-1]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
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<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>
<font color="#000000">He was in good position to make the pick cause he closed in with great speed</font>, read the route so he knew where it was going, made an excellent jump to cut off the path of the ball to djack

<font color="#0000FF">And if had not slipped who knows if Djack would even get the look,</font> you guys are assuming way too much.

If it was a leap year, during a religious holiday, and there was a barometric pressure of 65 then BJ is guaranteed to rush for 224yds and 5tds.... Assumptions hold no water, as the old saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
The ball was already in the air Kase. lol

There are no assumptions on my part. I give up.

Nice play nonetheless by the rookie. He still had to catch it.
OK Ill play the assumption game with you guys

Now what if Prince didnt slip, he would have been all over Djack the whole time and there would be a really small chance of him making the completion

[bigblue4417]

After Eli Manning (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Eli+Manning) was picked off by Jamar Chaney (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jamar+Chaney) in the first quarter, Manning (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Eli+Manning) was hammered by DT Trevor Laws (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Trevor+Laws) as Chaney returned the interception. And as soon as that happened, G Chris Snee (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Chris+Snee) was up in Laws (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Trevor+Laws)’ face.



The two players would get into a brief shoving match, but Snee (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Chris+Snee)
believed it was part of his job. “I turned around and saw Trevor take a
shot at him (Manning),” Snee said. “I didn’t like it, so I went over.
Our job is to protect Eli. I thought it was an unnecessary shot, so I
let him know about it.”



Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin) didn’t like the move. “A guy drills your quarterback in the back, you’d think your team would rally around that,” Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin)
said. “But we didn’t do that. We had someone come forward and try to
retaliate, which did nothing more than take our 15-yard penalty away.”<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">


</div>

[bigblue4417]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
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<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>
<font color="#000000">He was in good position to make the pick cause he closed in with great speed</font>, read the route so he knew where it was going, made an excellent jump to cut off the path of the ball to djack

<font color="#0000FF">And if had not slipped who knows if Djack would even get the look,</font> you guys are assuming way too much.

If it was a leap year, during a religious holiday, and there was a barometric pressure of 65 then BJ is guaranteed to rush for 224yds and 5tds.... Assumptions hold no water, as the old saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
The ball was already in the air Kase. lol

There are no assumptions on my part. I give up.

Nice play nonetheless by the rookie. He still had to catch it.
OK Ill play the assumption game with you guys

Now what if Prince didnt slip, he would have been all over Djack the whole time and there would be a really small chance of him making the completion
If Prince didn't slip and the ball was thrown where it should have been ( which you keep conveniently leaving out ) then Prince would have got the pick anyway or at the least knocked it down. He was lucky to be in the play and get the pick because the throw was bad.

[Kase-1]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>
If he hadnt slipped he would have been step for step with Jackson, I dont see how you guys dont understand that. It wouldnt have been a TD, it would have been a broken up pass, an INT, or a catch by Jackson with no YPC

[bigblue4417]

Chiefs placed QB Matt Cassel on injured reserve with a fractured right (throwing) hand, ending his season.

[bigblue4417]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>
If he hadnt slipped he would have been step for step with Jackson, I dont see how you guys dont understand that. It wouldnt have been a TD, it would have been a broken up pass, an INT, or a catch by Jackson with no YPC
We do see that Kase BUT he did slip therefore giving ***boy an edge to make the catch. The ball was underthrown and that is why he was lucky to get back in the play and be able to make the catch. The catch was not lucky, the defense was not lucky, the slip was not lucky, the ball pursuit was not lucky. It was lucky to be a bad pass and give him a chance to get back in there.

[Kase-1]

The circumstances of his experience in the league and injury has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he was beat nor whether not it was a bad pass. Was prince beat in the play? Yes Was the throw/timing by VY bad? Yes Thats all it comes down to</p>


Was there a point in the play where DJax had a step on Prince?....Yes</p>


Was Prince in a good position to make a play unless the pass was absolutely perfect?,,,,Yes</p>


Has Vince Young ever thrown a perfect 65 yard pass?...Probably not.</p>


Does a guy deserve to get slammed when he starts a player in FF who's on a bye?.....Big time.</p>

to your #2 point, false. he wa sin good position until he tripped..
Morehead is def right on this one, he was in good position lost a step and stayed in good position resulting in the INT, if he wasnt in good position he wouldnt have had the pick


Are we really STILL talking about the Prince pick!!?!?!?
Yes, and we will be until you understand the point we are trying to make Kase.

Why has he in good position to make the pick after tripping Kase?

A. The ball was underthrown

or

B. He leaped 5 yards in the air

If you answered A then that is why it was lucky we intercepted the ball.

It was a great pick, he stayed with the play and made and awesome pick. He also caught the ball off balance and held onto it. Tremendous amount of skill and ball hawking ability. We are not taking anything away from him on the play. We are simply saying if it's not underthrown then it's a TD. He was beat and only got the pick because it was underthrown. Lucky/fortunate whatever you want to call it. Should have been 6 points.
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<font color="#0000FF" size="5">KASE?</font>
<font color="#000000">He was in good position to make the pick cause he closed in with great speed</font>, read the route so he knew where it was going, made an excellent jump to cut off the path of the ball to djack

<font color="#0000FF">And if had not slipped who knows if Djack would even get the look,</font> you guys are assuming way too much.

If it was a leap year, during a religious holiday, and there was a barometric pressure of 65 then BJ is guaranteed to rush for 224yds and 5tds.... Assumptions hold no water, as the old saying goes if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
The ball was already in the air Kase. lol

There are no assumptions on my part. I give up.

Nice play nonetheless by the rookie. He still had to catch it.
OK Ill play the assumption game with you guys

Now what if Prince didnt slip, he would have been all over Djack the whole time and there would be a really small chance of him making the completion
If Prince didn't slip and the ball was thrown where it should have been ( which you keep conveniently leaving out ) then Prince would have got the pick anyway or at the least knocked it down. He was lucky to be in the play and get the pick because the throw was bad.

No we are lucky to have a DB that has skills like that

[Kase-1]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>
If he hadnt slipped he would have been step for step with Jackson, I dont see how you guys dont understand that. It wouldnt have been a TD, it would have been a broken up pass, an INT, or a catch by Jackson with no YPC
We do see that Kase BUT he did slip therefore giving ***boy an edge to make the catch. The ball was underthrown and that is why he was lucky to get back in the play and be able to make the catch. The catch was not lucky, the defense was not lucky, the slip was not lucky, the ball pursuit was not lucky. It was lucky to be a bad pass and give him a chance to get back in there.

OK Prince slipped giving DJ an edge to get the catch, TRUE

It wasnt the best pass but DJ had a step on Prince he could have stepped up and snagged it, but Prince jumped that route and saw the pass in the air so he came down with it

If it was a perfect pass Prince still would have gotten there, so we're pretty much debating a moot point

then again I can go all night LOL

[Kase-1]

Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin) didn’t like the move. “A guy drills your quarterback in the back, you’d think your team would rally around that,” Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin)
said. “But we didn’t do that. We had someone come forward and try to
retaliate, which did nothing more than take our 15-yard penalty away.”<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">


</div>That made me sick to my stomach, that comment leaves a sour taste in my mouth about TC..... Im not a happy camper

[byron]

and i hate when ppl say things like "we dont have a tradition of mean streaks, or dirty players, that's not the kind of team we are."</P>


**** that....i dont want the tradition of ****ing losing either.

<FONT color=#0000ff>getANGRY get WINs or get LOST.</FONT></P>I ****ing love that man !!!

[bigblue4417]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>
If he hadnt slipped he would have been step for step with Jackson, I dont see how you guys dont understand that. It wouldnt have been a TD, it would have been a broken up pass, an INT, or a catch by Jackson with no YPC
We do see that Kase BUT he did slip therefore giving ***boy an edge to make the catch. The ball was underthrown and that is why he was lucky to get back in the play and be able to make the catch. The catch was not lucky, the defense was not lucky, the slip was not lucky, the ball pursuit was not lucky. It was lucky to be a bad pass and give him a chance to get back in there.

OK Prince slipped giving DJ an edge to get the catch, TRUE

It wasnt the best pass but DJ had a step on Prince he could have stepped up and snagged it, but Prince jumped that route and saw the pass in the air so he came down with it

If it was a perfect pass Prince still would have gotten there, so we're pretty much debating a moot point

then again I can go all night LOL
If it was a perfect pass DJ would have had 5 yards on him because he slipped and been to the house. Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

[Kase-1]

Well, looks like Newsday settled this argument...

Jackson (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/DeSean+Jackson) raced past Amukamara, but <font color="#0000FF" size="4">when Young (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vince+Young) underthrew the pass</font>, Amukamara was in perfect position to make his first career interception at the Giants’ 37. <font color="#808080">So had VY not underthrown that pass Prince would not have been in position because he was beat. He made a great play to get back in it and Matt nor myself are taking anything away from the play. </font>



“I stumbled a little bit, but you’re not beat until the ball’s caught, and that’s what I thought, and I made a play,” he said.<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-first-round-pick-prince-amukamara-interception-big-blue-debut-article-1.980607#ixzz1eNhpSJ6E
</div>
If he hadnt slipped he would have been step for step with Jackson, I dont see how you guys dont understand that. It wouldnt have been a TD, it would have been a broken up pass, an INT, or a catch by Jackson with no YPC
We do see that Kase BUT he did slip therefore giving ***boy an edge to make the catch. The ball was underthrown and that is why he was lucky to get back in the play and be able to make the catch. The catch was not lucky, the defense was not lucky, the slip was not lucky, the ball pursuit was not lucky. It was lucky to be a bad pass and give him a chance to get back in there.

OK Prince slipped giving DJ an edge to get the catch, TRUE

It wasnt the best pass but DJ had a step on Prince he could have stepped up and snagged it, but Prince jumped that route and saw the pass in the air so he came down with it

If it was a perfect pass Prince still would have gotten there, so we're pretty much debating a moot point

then again I can go all night LOL
If it was a perfect pass DJ would have had 5 yards on him because he slipped and been to the house. Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass, who knows what would happen

and if Prince didnt slip it wouldnt matter how perfect the ball was thrown

Then again I dont know what happens in alternate universes so I cant tell you guys what would go down, sorry

[bigblue4417]

Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin) didn’t like the move. “A guy drills your quarterback in the back, you’d think your team would rally around that,” Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin)
said. “But we didn’t do that. We had someone come forward and try to
retaliate, which did nothing more than take our 15-yard penalty away.”<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">


</div>That made me sick to my stomach, that comment leaves a sour taste in my mouth about TC..... Im not a happy camper
I know, we were just talking about that to.

He sticks up for his QB and then the coach throws him under the bus. Just shows you the mentality of Coughlin.

He is old school by the books though...

[bigblue4417]

And of course the stupid Cowboys get lucky and squeak out a win...****

[bigblue4417]

Coughlin mentioned today how impressed he was with Prince chasing down McCoy at the end of the game. Not easy to and thought that is the type of play that you won't see being made by many players.

<font color="#FF0000">He was just lucky McCoy slowed down</font> [;)]

Prince is a bad *** and I'm happy he is getting healthy. We will need him BAD the next 3 weeks.

[Kase-1]

Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin) didn’t like the move. “A guy drills your quarterback in the back, you’d think your team would rally around that,” Coughlin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Coughlin)
said. “But we didn’t do that. We had someone come forward and try to
retaliate, which did nothing more than take our 15-yard penalty away.”<div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">


</div>That made me sick to my stomach, that comment leaves a sour taste in my mouth about TC..... Im not a happy camper
I know, we were just talking about that to.

He sticks up for his QB and then the coach throws him under the bus. Just shows you the mentality of Coughlin.

He is old school by the books though...
I want a coach who is FURIOUS that happened, I want that coach being held back cause he grabbed a helmet and he's trying to hit any eagle on the field with it

There are more important things then a single penalty, that set the tone for the night and it was pitiful

[bigblue4417]

Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass
Thank you, was that so hard? Geeeeez and that took hours for no reason at all....

[Kase-1]

Coughlin mentioned today how impressed he was with Prince chasing down McCoy at the end of the game. Not easy to and thought that is the type of play that you won't see being made by many players.

<font color="#FF0000">He was just lucky McCoy slowed down</font> [;)]

Prince is a bad *** and I'm happy he is getting healthy. We will need him BAD the next 3 weeks.
U sure it wasnt because Young didnt underthrow the toss??

LOL

[Morehead State]

Coughlin mentioned today how impressed he was with Prince chasing down McCoy at the end of the game. Not easy to and thought that is the type of play that you won't see being made by many players.

<FONT color=#ff0000>He was just lucky McCoy slowed down</FONT> [;)]

Prince is a bad *** and I'm happy he is getting healthy. We will need him BAD the next 3 weeks.
</P>


Despite the fact that you hate him and get "all picky" about his slight slip on the first play of his professional career where he intercepted a pass.</P>


Who cares about any of that. You have allowed MMB to corrupt your heart andI fear.... your soul.</P>


Look away from the evil Landon. Just say no!</P>


</P>

[bigblue4417]

Look away from the evil Landon. Just say no!


</p>
It's just so cute

[Morehead State]

i love how Kase has turned our argument that we got lucky or weren't lucky on a specific play into me hating and thinkg Prince sucks

Has pappy recruited you for #teamdramatic? Say it ain't so
Same as you turning me saying Prince has skills to he is some mythical creature like a half man half unicorn that runs on luck and rainbows

thats not what the point of me saying that was...

the point was he was lucky the ball was under thrown or it would of been ugly, 89 yard TD lucky. Thats why its hard to give props for saying our defense did a good job. Again, this is all about dissecting the defenses overall performance.
Well the majority of us see it differently, I dont know what else to tell ya We saw it as Prince's football IQ and natural skill which caused the pick rather than luck I guess its a glass half full or half empty kinda situationeven though its underthrown it still shows his ability to zone in on the ball and snatch it. and he tripped. i didnt see to many balls thrown his way after that so he must of had pretty decent coverage for the rest of the game.


simple question:

If that ball was decently thrown - do you think DJax catches it?
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He threw it as far as he could.</P>


So yes, if VY threw it 10 yards further than he was capable...........</P>


You know you're almost always wrong Matt, but at least you usually make better arguments than this. You're off your game and it makes me sad.</P>




lol the fact that u suggest VY doesn't have a big arm is whats funny
it does look like vy really gives it all he has in the replay. come on give prince credit. he closed in very well and attacked the ball. job well done in my eyes.


lol he tripped and DJax had 5 yards on him and because of that, thats why we were lucky that not only did DJax not catch it and run fo ra TD, but we ended with the pick. He got lucky that he was able to make a nice play on the ball for the pick..


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He never had more than a step on him. Now you're making **** up.</P>


I expect that from you since you believe that 4" is actually 10".</P>

[Kase-1]

Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass
Thank you, was that so hard? Geeeeez and that took hours for no reason at all....
Way to take what I said out of context

[Kase-1]

Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass
Thank you, was that so hard? Geeeeez and that took hours for no reason at all....
Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass, who knows what would happen

and if Prince didnt slip it wouldnt matter how perfect the ball was thrown

Then again I dont know what happens in alternate universes so I cant tell you guys what would go down, sorry

[bigblue4417]

24 times a QB has thrown 3 picks against the Giants. Last night was the first time they team won.

UNREAL!!! Anything is possible against the Giants. lol

[bigblue4417]

Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that <font color="#0000FF">had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD</font> and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

<font color="#0000FF">Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass</font>
Thank you, was that so hard? Geeeeez and that took hours for no reason at all....
Way to take what I said out of context
Done and Done

What did I take out of context? You agreed with me. lol

I see your if and raise you 2 if's.

[bigblue4417]

Verlander received 13 of 28 first-place votes and 280 points in voting
announced by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Ellsbury was
second with 242 points (4 first-place votes, 13 second-place votes). He hit .321 with 32 homers, 105 RBIs, 39 stolen bases and 119 runs
scored, all career highs. His .928 OPS ranked him in the top 10 in the
majors.



He became the first Boston player to hit 30 homers and steal 30
bases in a season and led the major leagues with 364 total bases and 83
extra-base hits. He was third in the AL with 212 hits, and tied for
third in runs and doubles.
In the field, the speedy Ellsbury did not make an error in 394 chances
last season, the only center fielder in the AL and one of just two in
the majors who did not make an error while playing at least two-thirds
of his team's games.


It stands to reason that voters might have been impacted by the
September collapse of the Red Sox, asking themselves how they could vote
for a player whose team blew the biggest final-month lead in baseball
history.

“We all know Verlander’s year was pretty incredible with his
numbers and he deserves the attention he’s getting,” 2008 AL MVP Dustin
Pedroia told ESPNBoston.com. “He had an unbelievable season, but in my
opinion, he pitched 34 games and Ells played 158, so I think if a
pitcher should win it he should impact, in those 34 games, in an
extraordinary amount of the time and he did that, no question. But Ells
impacted a lot more than 34 games for our team.



“But that’s why it’s fun for everybody. Everybody can say,
‘pitchers should win it,’ or ‘pitchers shouldn’t win it.’ It’s fun for
the fans, it’s fun for the media and it’s fun for everybody. But it’s
pretty difficult to see a guy finish second. It kind of stinks.”

[Kase-1]

Which is exactly mine, Matt's and Newsday's point that <font color="#0000FF">had the ball not been underthrown it would have been a TD</font> and thus why it was lucky to get the pick. Agree?

<font color="#0000FF">Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass</font>
Thank you, was that so hard? Geeeeez and that took hours for no reason at all....
Way to take what I said out of context
Done and Done

What did I take out of context? You agreed with me. lol

I see your if and raise you 2 if's.

Yea if he slipped and it was a perfect pass, who knows what would happen

and if Prince didnt slip it wouldnt matter how perfect the ball was thrown

Then again I dont know what happens in alternate universes so I cant tell you guys what would go down, sorry

[Kase-1]

So the punkass diva cindy crosby is gonna hit the ice for the 1st time in about a year. What are the odds one of the Islanders takes a shot at him??

[dezzzR]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/949915-mathias-kiwanuka-ny-giant-is-poster-child-for-growing-problem-with-nfl-olbs

i know its br but its a pretty decent article.

[Kase-1]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/949915-mathias-kiwanuka-ny-giant-is-poster-child-for-growing-problem-with-nfl-olbs

i know its br but its a pretty decent article.
Kiwi isnt the typical cover 2 LB but he's done a damned good job so far especially without Boley. And running a cover 2, if Smith goes to Ross' zone shouldnt he pick up the WR??

[lttaylor56]

and i hate when ppl say things like "we dont have a tradition of mean streaks, or dirty players, that's not the kind of team we are."</P>


**** that....i dont want the tradition of ****ing losing either.

<FONT color=#0000ff>get*ANGRY* get WINs or get LOST.</FONT></P>I ****ing love that man !!!Right on! It took me this long to even look at the boards today. I think I am going to need therapy because of Desean Jackson last year and last night. The deja vu I experienced on that return almost made me puke. Wtf or where the **** was our team last night. The defense played the majority of the game(36 minutes). Where was the pass rush leading the league in sacks? Only 1 sack? 29 rushing yards and not converting 3rd downs(5/14 35%)--was horrific.....and we still could of won that game.

[Morehead State]

Verlander received 13 of 28 first-place votes and 280 points in voting announced by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Ellsbury was second with 242 points (4 first-place votes, 13 second-place votes). He hit .321 with 32 homers, 105 RBIs, 39 stolen bases and 119 runs scored, all career highs. His .928 OPS ranked him in the top 10 in the majors.

He became the first Boston player to hit 30 homers and steal 30 bases in a season and led the major leagues with 364 total bases and 83 extra-base hits. He was third in the AL with 212 hits, and tied for third in runs and doubles. In the field, the speedy Ellsbury did not make an error in 394 chances last season, the only center fielder in the AL and one of just two in the majors who did not make an error while playing at least two-thirds of his team's games.

It stands to reason that voters might have been impacted by the September collapse of the Red Sox, asking themselves how they could vote for a player whose team blew the biggest final-month lead in baseball history.

“We all know Verlander’s year was pretty incredible with his numbers and he deserves the attention he’s getting,” 2008 AL MVP Dustin Pedroia told ESPNBoston.com. “He had an unbelievable season, but in my opinion, he pitched 34 games and Ells played 158, so I think if a pitcher should win it he should impact, in those 34 games, in an extraordinary amount of the time and he did that, no question. But Ells impacted a lot more than 34 games for our team.

“But that’s why it’s fun for everybody. Everybody can say, ‘pitchers should win it,’ or ‘pitchers shouldn’t win it.’ It’s fun for the fans, it’s fun for the media and it’s fun for everybody. But it’s pretty difficult to see a guy finish second. It kind of stinks.”</P>


If Papelbon doesn't blow that save and if the Yankees hold a 7 run lead in the 8th inning on the last day of the season, Ellsbury would be the MVP. And who is really to say if Jacoby Ellsbury or Verlander are the MVP?</P>


This is the folly of awards. It could be the MVP, the golden glove, the superbowl MVP, the Hall of Fameetc... It doesn't matter because the awards really don't matter. They are popularity contests of writers who don't play the game and many never have. They don't change or even define what happens on the field. The only thing that matters is what we see on the field. the only thing that matters is the performances we see as we apply our own standards. That is the ultimate reality. That is the ultimate truth.</P>

[Morehead State]

Could someone please post a bunch of crap on my Facebook page. I am desperate to get the pictures of Daven dancing off my first page.</P>


Anybody?..........Please!!!!!</P>

[MattMeyerBud]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/949915-mathias-kiwanuka-ny-giant-is-poster-child-for-growing-problem-with-nfl-olbs

i know its br but its a pretty decent article.


its a stupid ****in article. Offenses game plan so that they can get matchups with their WRs on LB. What LBs can cover a small fast WRs. Im going to have to rewatch that.

But to say he should have his hand in the ground is stupid, Kiwi has been ballin out at LB.