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JPizzack
11-30-2011, 01:41 PM
you have no philosophies about coaches is what the issues is

u put all the game planning on coordinators and all the emotion on the players


I guess head coaches are just THERE
</P>


yea pretty much what he thinks.

im confused as to how he hates Fewell SOOOOO much for how our defense performs, but doesnt see any overall problem with the coaching staff in general over the past 4 years &gt;.&lt;</P>

dezzzR
11-30-2011, 01:43 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?


under what circumstances do you EVER blame the head coach?
answer my question with a question, cute.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 01:46 PM
PHILADELPHIA -- Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry
Sandusky sexually abused a boy more than 100 times, then threatened his
family to keep him quiet about the encounters, according to a lawsuit
filed Wednesday that details new accusations not included in criminal
charges against Sandusky.</p>

The lawsuit is the first in the Penn
State child sex-abuse scandal and identifies the plaintiff, now 29 years
old, only as John Doe. It claims Sandusky abused the boy from 1992 to
1996 at the coach's State College home, in a Penn State locker room, on
trips to Philadelphia and at a bowl game.</p>

The plaintiff said in a
statement issued by his lawyer soon after the filing, "I am hurting and
have been for a long time because of what happened, but feel now even
more tormented that I have learned of so many other kids were abused
after me."</p>

The accuser said that Sandusky sexually abused him more
than 100 times from the ages of 10 to 14, and threatened to harm him
and his family if he told anyone.
</p>


</p>

Someone should really just kill this guy. I also can't believe he is free on bail. I hope he hangs himself. 10 kids so far and you know there are probably 10's more. I still can't believe nothing happened and no one did anything. This just won't go away and it keeps getting worse.
</p>

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 01:51 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?


under what circumstances do you EVER blame the head coach?
answer my question with a question, cute.


i have an answer but im not giving it to u

i've asked u this same question literally every day multiple times and u keep ignoring it

i figure its because u know your full of ****

u finally answer then i will answer

dezzzR
11-30-2011, 01:54 PM
you have no philosophies about coaches is what the issues is

u put all the game planning on coordinators and all the emotion on the players


I guess head coaches are just THERE
</p>


yea pretty much what he thinks.

im confused as to how he hates Fewell SOOOOO much for how our defense performs, but doesnt see any overall problem with the coaching staff in general over the past 4 years &gt;.&lt;</p>because even though our defense has sucked **** since hes been here, unlike our offense which has been pretty good, besides this year. eli and gilbride have been working together for 7 years. you guys think someone else is going to step in and elis isnt going to skip a beat? youre crazy. and as predicable as gilbride is at times hes still a pretty good oc and him and eli work well together.


but overall its the way you guys are talking about tc like hes some pos coach, while the players get a free pass.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 01:55 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?

Players play, coaches coach and cheerleaders cheer.

They follow the game plan, they do what the coach says in practice, they listen to what he says. He is the boss. Do you just do what you want at work or do you what your told/gameplan to do? The coach is the one the blame should fall on. The 49ers have sucked for almost a decade, they have all the same players, get a new coach and look what happens. Same thing with the Lions. You think Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton just lets the Packers and Saints do what they want and that is why they are so successful?

When the players are doing everything they are told and giving 100% effort then who's fault is it when we fail? I have heard Coughlin say a couple times this year, "we got outcoached".

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 01:57 PM
you have no philosophies about coaches is what the issues is

u put all the game planning on coordinators and all the emotion on the players


I guess head coaches are just THERE
</p>


yea pretty much what he thinks.

im confused as to how he hates Fewell SOOOOO much for how our defense performs, but doesnt see any overall problem with the coaching staff in general over the past 4 years &gt;.&lt;</p>
http://www.fattestblog.com/.a/6a01156f88e147970c01538e55dc3c970b-320wi

dezzzR
11-30-2011, 01:57 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?


under what circumstances do you EVER blame the head coach?
answer my question with a question, cute.


i have an answer but im not giving it to u
<u>
i've asked u this same question literally every day multiple times and u keep ignoring it</u>

i figure its because u know your full of ****

u finally answer then i will answer
noyou havnt. what the hell are you talking about? haha
i honestly dont want you hear your answer because it will be laced with how its one mans fault.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 01:58 PM
Buffalo Bills (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills) receiver Steve Johnson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11458/steve-johnson) has been fined $10,000 for his questionable touchdown celebration in a loss to the New York Jets (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets) last weekend, a person familiar with the NFL's disciplinary decision has told The Associated Press.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1128/pg2_a_johnson_200.jpg

DavenIII
11-30-2011, 02:24 PM
We were in the Saints game even in the 3rd quarter. Then we just fell apart. Once we get down they just give up. I don't understand it.

Guess that falls on the coach right Dez?


Actually, Yes Lando, one of the main jobs of a coach is to keep his team motivated under all circumstances.

I know Daven, I was being sarcastic. Dez doesn't feel that way....


sorry Lando, I've been too busy recently at work to really keep up with the thread :( my mistake...direct it at Dez then.

dezzzR
11-30-2011, 02:28 PM
We were in the Saints game even in the 3rd quarter. Then we just fell apart. Once we get down they just give up. I don't understand it.

Guess that falls on the coach right Dez?


Actually, Yes Lando, one of the main jobs of a coach is to keep his team motivated under all circumstances.

I know Daven, I was being sarcastic. Dez doesn't feel that way....


sorry Lando, I've been too busy recently at work to really keep up with the thread :( my mistake...direct it at Dez then.
he did, you responded meanie

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:30 PM
you have no philosophies about coaches is what the issues is

u put all the game planning on coordinators and all the emotion on the players


I guess head coaches are just THERE
</p>


yea pretty much what he thinks.

im confused as to how he hates Fewell SOOOOO much for how our defense performs, but doesnt see any overall problem with the coaching staff in general over the past 4 years &gt;.&lt;</p>because even though our defense has sucked **** since hes been here, unlike our offense which has been pretty good, besides this year. eli and gilbride have been working together for 7 years. you guys think someone else is going to step in and elis isnt going to skip a beat? youre crazy. and as predicable as gilbride is at times hes still a pretty good oc and him and eli work well together.


but overall its the way you guys are talking about tc like hes some pos coach, while the players get a free pass.

Tom Coughlin said that effort was not an issue and that the Giants did not quit in New Orleans.



“<font color="#0000FF">I just look at the game and the effort was good</font>,” Coughlin said. “I think there were some like [Jason Pierre-Paul]
who was outstanding. How many times do you see a defensive lineman
lined up in the middle of the formation make the play on a pass on the
attempted fake field goal to stop them from getting the first down?”



“We couldn’t get a lot of things done and we didn’t get to the
quarterback as much as we want<font color="#0000FF"> but it wasn’t for a lack of effort,</font>” he
continued.



Since 2004, the team has started 5-2 or better only to struggle after
Halloween in several seasons.


Coughlin himself said twice the effort was there. So who does that leave it on...coaching NEXT!

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 02:32 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?


under what circumstances do you EVER blame the head coach?
answer my question with a question, cute.


i have an answer but im not giving it to u
<u>
i've asked u this same question literally every day multiple times and u keep ignoring it</u>

i figure its because u know your full of ****

u finally answer then i will answer
noyou havnt. what the hell are you talking about? haha
i honestly dont want you hear your answer because it will be laced with how its one mans fault.



so basically what u just said was: "I am going to avoid answering the question you've posed for days now and just deflect it on to you to try and get the heat off me"

true eli won't be able to pick up a new offense, but Carson Palmer can go to a new offense week 7 and play that same week

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 02:34 PM
you have no philosophies about coaches is what the issues is

u put all the game planning on coordinators and all the emotion on the players


I guess head coaches are just THERE
</p>


yea pretty much what he thinks.

im confused as to how he hates Fewell SOOOOO much for how our defense performs, but doesnt see any overall problem with the coaching staff in general over the past 4 years &gt;.&lt;</p>because even though our defense has sucked **** since hes been here, unlike our offense which has been pretty good, besides this year. eli and gilbride have been working together for 7 years. you guys think someone else is going to step in and elis isnt going to skip a beat? youre crazy. and as predicable as gilbride is at times hes still a pretty good oc and him and eli work well together.


but overall its the way you guys are talking about tc like hes some pos coach, while the players get a free pass.

Tom Coughlin said that effort was not an issue and that the Giants did not quit in New Orleans.



“<font color="#0000FF">I just look at the game and the effort was good</font>,” Coughlin said. “I think there were some like [Jason Pierre-Paul]
who was outstanding. How many times do you see a defensive lineman
lined up in the middle of the formation make the play on a pass on the
attempted fake field goal to stop them from getting the first down?”



“We couldn’t get a lot of things done and we didn’t get to the
quarterback as much as we want<font color="#0000FF"> but it wasn’t for a lack of effort,</font>” he
continued.



Since 2004, the team has started 5-2 or better only to struggle after
Halloween in several seasons.


Coughlin himself said twice the effort was there. So who does that leave it on...coaching NEXT!


the fact that he thinks the effort was there is whats most disturbing

just like he said they had a good week in practice

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:38 PM
PLAYER YEARS CONSEC. 3,000/20 SEASONS


Peyton Manning 1998-2010 13

Brett Favre 1994-2005 12

Dan Marino 1982-1992 9

Drew Brees 2004-2011 8

Eli Manning 2005-2011 7


Pretty ELIte company...even though MH thinks it's ho-hum.

I guess when your only the 5th person to do something EVER it's not that big of a deal.

Then again he thinks a dynasty last decades so....

One might also say that all the QB's on that list are gunslingers however. lol

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:40 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/ultrahighgain/theismann7rs.gif

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:44 PM
Not to make an Eagles comparison but every time the Eagles lose (which has been alot lately lol YES) the first thing Reid says at his press conference is. "First and foremost this falls on me, I'm the head coach and it's my job to have the players ready."

Almost any coach will admit that. TC himself has before. It is the HEAD Coaches job to make sure his team is ready and to make the gameplan work. Otherwise there would not be a head coach right Dez?

If TC doesn't think he is getting good effort from the players then bench them. That is another thing the Coach can do. He can't motivate this team anymore. The players don't care what he says it seems like.

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 02:45 PM
but overall its the way you guys are talking about tc like hes some pos coach, while the players get a free pass.
</P>


nobody HATES Coughlin, dezzz....

he's lost the team...they just cant play for anyone on this staff anymore apparently. plain and simple. he can't hold it together anymore...and it's over, that's all she wrote.

</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 02:45 PM
PLAYER YEARS CONSEC. 3,000/20 SEASONS


Peyton Manning 1998-2010 13

Brett Favre 1994-2005 12

Dan Marino 1982-1992 9

Drew Brees 2004-2011 8

Eli Manning 2005-2011 7


Pretty ELIte company...even though MH thinks it's ho-hum.

I guess when your only the 5th person to do something EVER it's not that big of a deal.

Then again he thinks a dynasty last decades so....

One might also say that all the QB's on that list are gunslingers however. lol


i wonder with "ELIS DRAMATIC INCREASE OF PLAY" if Moorehead thinks hes a gunslinger now lol

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:49 PM
<font color="#0000FF">“That’s my responsibility,”</font> head coach Reid said “I’m disappointed in a lot of
things, starting with myself.<font color="#0000FF"> I didn’t have my team ready to go. That’s
why I start with me.</font> You can ask me any type of disappointment question
that you want. I’m probably there.”

Ten penalties for 60 yards? Four
third-down conversions on 13 tries? A crucial interception in the first
half that seemed to change the direction of the game?

<font color="#0000FF">“Again,” like Reid said, “that’s my responsibility to make sure my football team is disciplined enough…”


<font color="#000000">
It always starts and ends on the Head Coach Dez. Win or lose it works both ways. </font>
</font>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:51 PM
it's over, that's all she wrote.
Too bad we didn't do it sooner.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 02:53 PM
As NY Giants HC, Coughlin is 19 and 37 vs teams with a winning record

Wow!

I guess that falls on the players not being motivated when we play winning teams.
and at what point do we blame the players? its so easy to blame one person, isnt it guys?

Players play, coaches coach and cheerleaders cheer.

They follow the game plan, they do what the coach says in practice, they listen to what he says. He is the boss. Do you just do what you want at work or do you what your told/gameplan to do? The coach is the one the blame should fall on. The 49ers have sucked for almost a decade, they have all the same players, get a new coach and look what happens. Same thing with the Lions. You think Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton just lets the Packers and Saints do what they want and that is why they are so successful?

When the players are doing everything they are told and giving 100% effort then who's fault is it when we fail? I have heard Coughlin say a couple times this year, "we got outcoached".

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">DEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ?</font>

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 02:56 PM
PLAYER YEARS CONSEC. 3,000/20 SEASONS

Peyton Manning 1998-2010 13
Brett Favre 1994-2005 12
Dan Marino 1982-1992 9
Drew Brees 2004-2011 8
Eli Manning 2005-2011 7


Pretty ELIte company...even though MH thinks it's ho-hum.

I guess when your only the 5th person to do something EVER it's not that big of a deal.

Then again he thinks a dynasty last decades so....

One might also say that all the QB's on that list are gunslingers however. lol
</P>


Not ho hum. But its a testimate to not getting hurt for 7 years (and I suppose not being incredibly horrible in any of those seasons). The reason there are only 5 is that in today's era, 3000 yards and 20 TD's is mediocre, but also in this day and age a QB rarely gets through seven yesrs without missing significant time.</P>


Playing 16 games per year for 7 years is noteworthy. Because in Eli's case he is Gumby. he has no skeleton and is made of a synthetic, plyable composite material.</P>

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 03:06 PM
Playing 16 games per year for 7 years is noteworthy. Because in Eli's case he is Gumby. he has no skeleton and is made of a synthetic, plyable composite material.</P>


</P>


i literally ran out of breath...and then almost pissed my pants.</P>


thank you.</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 03:13 PM
<div class="report">


Victor Cruz was listed on the Giants' pre-practice injury report Wednesday with a hip ailment.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
We'll know soon what kind of practice Cruz is able
to turn in, but he isn't known to have missed any snaps while racking up
nine catches for 157 yards and two touchdowns in Monday's lopsided loss
to the Saints. The Giants may just be looking to get him some rest
during a short week. Stay tuned.
</div>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 03:24 PM
<div class="report">


Seahawks placed WR Sidney Rice on injured reserve with a concussion, ending his season.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">

</div>

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 03:27 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 03:30 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</P>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 03:32 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</p>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</p>


</p>
actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 03:42 PM
Herzlich is in a walking boot.

This season is ****ed.

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 03:43 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</P>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</P>


</P>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
</P>


He's a left tackle. He's a lousy right tackle. tried in in 03 or 04 and was a disaster. Deihl is a good LT. Not great, but good. He has problems with speed rushers and needs help when we play D Ware and players like that. But he can play LT. The Beatty experiment would have ended eventually because he's soft.</P>


But I can't imagine they would ever put him back at RT, that experiment ended badly.</P>

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 03:44 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</P>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</P>


</P>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
</P>


LT isnt exactly the easiest thing to replace.
our line is so shot...
Snee is good, but even he's been slipping up recently. idk....our injuries doomed us earlier than I thought, and now it's just kinda putting the icing on the cake...</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 03:51 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</p>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</p>


</p>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
</p>


He's a left tackle. He's a lousy right tackle. tried in in 03 or 04 and was a disaster. Deihl is a good LT. Not great, but good. He has problems with speed rushers and needs help when we play D Ware and players like that. But he can play LT. The Beatty experiment would have ended eventually because he's soft.</p>


But I can't imagine they would ever put him back at RT, that experiment ended badly.</p>

I meant Beatty

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 03:51 PM
<div class="report">


Josh Freeman was limited in Bucs practice Wednesday with a shoulder injury, and is day-to-day according to coach Raheem Morris.</p>
</div>

He did no throwing today. Freeman hurt himself on a
quarterback sneak on Tampa's final play against the Titans. Freeman has
dealt with a number of minor injuries this season, but has yet to miss a
game in what has been an extremely disappointing campaign

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 03:55 PM
It sucks that the season is not over, we still have a chance to make the playoffs and everyone is down in the dumps. We have seen this show before and it's not going to have a fairy tale ending.

DavenIII
11-30-2011, 03:58 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:00 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 04:00 PM
It sucks that the season is not over, we still have a chance to make the playoffs and everyone is down in the dumps. We have seen this show before and it's not going to have a fairy tale ending.
</P>


yea. what I hate most is knowing that if we are eliminated from contention...we still have to witness the rest of the season. ugh...
yea, it's depressing. =(</P>

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 04:03 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Ahmad Bradshaw was ****ing awesome this year!!</FONT></P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:04 PM
We have waived and resigned Ryan Perilloux about 100 times this year. lol

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:04 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)
</P>


So much chance in FF. I have 100 more points than Lando and he has a bye locked up at 9-3 and I'm 7-5. You have almost the same amount of points as Lando.</P>


Last year I had the most points in the league and Lando was 2 or3 games in front of me.</P>

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:06 PM
The one constant in FF is that Matt's teams will always suck.

MattMeyerBud
11-30-2011, 04:08 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Ahmad Bradshaw was ****ing awesome this year!!</font></p>

because he got injured really says something about how good of a player he is

hows Danny Ware doing with the shots hes been getting

#youwerespoton

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 04:09 PM
We have waived and resigned Ryan Perilloux about 100 times this year. lol
</P>


yeaaaa ummmm I dont even know who that is.......</P>

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:11 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Ahmad Bradshaw was ****ing awesome this year!!</FONT></P>




because he got injured really says something about how good of a player he is

hows Danny Ware doing with the shots hes been getting

#youwerespoton
</P>


Danny <FONT size=6>WA</FONT>ste of a <FONT size=6>R</FONT>ost<FONT size=6>E</FONT>r spot.</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:12 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.</p>


<font color="#ff0000">Ahmad Bradshaw was ****ing awesome this year!!</font></p>
YEAH BUDDY!!!

He actually was when he was healthy. He is just so injury prone. Good thing Reese did such a good job with his contract.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:12 PM
It sucks that the season is not over, we still have a chance to make the playoffs and everyone is down in the dumps. We have seen this show before and it's not going to have a fairy tale ending.
</p>


yea. what I hate most is knowing that if we are eliminated from contention...we still have to witness the rest of the season. ugh...
yea, it's depressing. =(</p>
Yup :(

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 04:14 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants do not expect Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) to return against the Packers.</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>Ahmad Bradshaw was ****ing awesome this year!!</FONT></P>




because he got injured really says something about how good of a player he is

hows Danny Ware doing with the shots hes been getting

#youwerespoton
</P>


uhhh...he actually had a good game for only 5 carries(4.6 ypc). and he had 8 catches. im not complaining about that one bit, Matt. Dont be so judgemental.</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:15 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)
</p>


So much chance in FF. I have 100 more points than Lando and he has a bye locked up at 9-3 and I'm 7-5. You have almost the same amount of points as Lando.</p>


Last year I had the most points in the league and Lando was 2 or3 games in front of me.</p>
Like I have always said....it is way more luck than skill.

I have been very fortunate this year with my match ups. 2nd in standings, 8th in points scored and 1st in points against. Squeaking out against LT was the rabbit foot. It's a miracle I'm at where I'm at with CJ doing so horrible all year. Now my team just needs to get healthy and I must pray that Vick, Maclin and AP don't go on IR.

JPizzack
11-30-2011, 04:15 PM
closing time....</P>


talk to you ****ers later</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:18 PM
Skip Bayless says he is taking the Giants +7. I can't believe it's only 7. lol

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:22 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)
</P>


So much chance in FF. I have 100 more points than Lando and he has a bye locked up at 9-3 and I'm 7-5. You have almost the same amount of points as Lando.</P>


Last year I had the most points in the league and Lando was 2 or3 games in front of me.</P>



Like I have always said....it is way more luck than skill.

I have been very fortunate this year with my match ups. 2nd in standings, 8th in points scored and 1st in points against. Squeaking out against LT was the rabbit foot. It's a miracle I'm at where I'm at with CJ doing so horrible all year. Now my team just needs to get healthy and I must pray that Vick, Maclin and AP don't go on IR.
</P>


I said the over/under for Vick was 10 games. He's at 9 right now. Even if he's back, I don't think he'll produce. Other than Byron, the best team is Pats. Thats the team I don't want to play. </P>


Brady and Gronk are great. Right now its all about rooting against Matt so I can have my $5.00 trophy.</P>


My needs are few...........................but they're very specific.</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:22 PM
The one constant in FF is that Matt's teams will always suck.
LMAO!!!!!!!

DavenIII
11-30-2011, 04:23 PM
hows Danny Ware doing with the shots hes been getting


marginally better then BJ? The real problem this year is our O-Line none of our Backs have done anything, even bradshaw was sucking (against much worse teams) early this year.

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:27 PM
Skip Bayless says he is taking the Giants +7. I can't believe it's only 7. lol
</P>


Is that per quarter?</P>

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:29 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)
</p>


So much chance in FF. I have 100 more points than Lando and he has a bye locked up at 9-3 and I'm 7-5. You have almost the same amount of points as Lando.</p>


Last year I had the most points in the league and Lando was 2 or3 games in front of me.</p>



Like I have always said....it is way more luck than skill.

I have been very fortunate this year with my match ups. 2nd in standings, 8th in points scored and 1st in points against. Squeaking out against LT was the rabbit foot. It's a miracle I'm at where I'm at with CJ doing so horrible all year. Now my team just needs to get healthy and I must pray that Vick, Maclin and AP don't go on IR.
</p>


I said the over/under for Vick was 10 games. He's at 9 right now. Even if he's back, I don't think he'll produce. Other than Byron, the best team is Pats. Thats the team I don't want to play. </p>


Brady and Gronk are great. Right now its all about rooting against Matt so I can have my $5.00 trophy.</p>


My needs are few...........................but they're very specific.</p>
Yeah, his team is good. Plus the Pats have a cake schedule from here on out.

I guess I get no credit huh? lol

I want you to win the bet as well.

Meanwhile I'll be sitting back relaxing and enjoying the show.

http://www.mjoines.com/files/images/Gifs/0653_homer-eating-popcorn-small-c7873.JPG

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:30 PM
Skip Bayless says he is taking the Giants +7. I can't believe it's only 7. lol
</p>


Is that per quarter?</p>
LOL Seriously huh? You make me laugh!!!!

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:36 PM
just was looking at my FF teams, in one league I've scored 1166pts and I'm tied for 3rd place with a 7 and 5 record, in the GMB league I have 1163pts and I'm tied for 2nd to last with a 4 and 8 record....same scoring in both leagues.

Looks like the GMB league was tough competition this year :)
</P>


So much chance in FF. I have 100 more points than Lando and he has a bye locked up at 9-3 and I'm 7-5. You have almost the same amount of points as Lando.</P>


Last year I had the most points in the league and Lando was 2 or3 games in front of me.</P>



Like I have always said....it is way more luck than skill.

I have been very fortunate this year with my match ups. 2nd in standings, 8th in points scored and 1st in points against. Squeaking out against LT was the rabbit foot. It's a miracle I'm at where I'm at with CJ doing so horrible all year. Now my team just needs to get healthy and I must pray that Vick, Maclin and AP don't go on IR.
</P>


I said the over/under for Vick was 10 games. He's at 9 right now. Even if he's back, I don't think he'll produce. Other than Byron, the best team is Pats. Thats the team I don't want to play. </P>


Brady and Gronk are great. Right now its all about rooting against Matt so I can have my $5.00 trophy.</P>


My needs are few...........................but they're very specific.</P>



Yeah, his team is good. Plus the Pats have a cake schedule from here on out.

I guess I get no credit huh? lol

I want you to win the bet as well.

Meanwhile I'll be sitting back relaxing and enjoying the show.

http://www.mjoines.com/files/images/Gifs/0653_homer-eating-popcorn-small-c7873.JPG
</P>


No...you get credit. Three years and you've lost like 6 total games. You're a heck of a player. I hope Jimmy won't come back to bite me.</P>

Morehead State
11-30-2011, 04:39 PM
For the record,I say GB won't put up 40 on us. Maybe low 30's.

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:46 PM
Three years and you've lost like 6 total games. You're a heck of a player. I hope Jimmy won't come back to bite me.
Thanks MH. You have gotten pretty damn good yourself.

That trade saved me this week. No other way to put it.

Your team looks very beatable week 15. I hope I get ya then!!!

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 04:47 PM
For the record,I say GB won't put up 40 on us. Maybe low 30's.
You talking about by halftime or the whole game?

lawl
11-30-2011, 05:54 PM
Sick lineup this week lando.

Kase-1
11-30-2011, 06:14 PM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</p>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</p>


</p>
actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
Morehead is nuts, beatty has done damned well against some of the NFLs nastiest pass rushers this season. Eli is never getting smashed from his blindside and IMO Beatty was one of the good things about our O-Line.... Cant forget, this is his 1st season starting

We need to address RT, maybe Diehl out to RT next season?? Who knows

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 11:43 PM
PM LT

bigblue4417
11-30-2011, 11:45 PM
Sick lineup this week lando.
I was trying to psyche you out. lol

You are going to destroy me. Congrats on making the playoffs.

lawl
12-01-2011, 12:08 AM
Sick lineup this week lando.
I was trying to psyche you out. lol

You are going to destroy me. Congrats on making the playoffs.
</P>


I thought you were gonna throw the game to **** mmb out of a potential playoff spot.</P>

lawl
12-01-2011, 12:11 AM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</P>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</P>


</P>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
Morehead is nuts, beatty has done damned well against some of the NFLs nastiest pass rushers this season. Eli is never getting smashed from his blindside and IMO Beatty was one of the good things about our O-Line.... Cant forget, this is his 1st season starting

We need to address RT, maybe Diehl out to RT next season?? Who knows
</P>


We need a serious retooling of our OL as well asour defense in general so that we can get our cap back into reasonable shape.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 08:16 AM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</P>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</P>


</P>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
Morehead is nuts, beatty has done damned well against some of the NFLs nastiest pass rushers this season. Eli is never getting smashed from his blindside and IMO Beatty was one of the good things about our O-Line.... Cant forget, this is his 1st season starting

We need to address RT, maybe Diehl out to RT next season?? Who knows
</P>


I was talking about Diehl, not Beatty. Diehl is a LT, not a RT. Beatty is pretty soft and I don't know where he could play in the future.</P>


But I AM nuts, either way.</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 08:30 AM
&lt;-----in rough shape this morning....

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:04 AM
&lt;-----in rough shape this morning....
http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/movie-guide/1663469.bin?size=620x400

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:06 AM
Beatty IR'd

jesus ****in god
</p>


We're better off with Deihl at LT. Thats his best position. Beatty may have played his last game with us. He's been a major dissappointment.</p>


</p>



actually I think he'll be moved to RT next year. I think he'll do alot better there

hes actually had a decent season
Morehead is nuts, beatty has done damned well against some of the NFLs nastiest pass rushers this season. Eli is never getting smashed from his blindside and IMO Beatty was one of the good things about our O-Line.... Cant forget, this is his 1st season starting

We need to address RT, maybe Diehl out to RT next season?? Who knows
</p>


I was talking about Diehl, not Beatty. Diehl is a LT, not a RT. Beatty is pretty soft and I don't know where he could play in the future.</p>


But I AM nuts, either way.</p>

I think he was referring to your comment that Beatty was a major disappointment. I agree that Beatty isn't what I hoped he would be, but I still think he could make a pretty damn good Right Tackle for us for the next few years - if he could stay healthy. Worst case resign him cheap as a backup.

Diehl did look better at LT this past week but lets not gauge that vs a subpar defense like NO

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:08 AM
Sick lineup this week lando.
I was trying to psyche you out. lol

You are going to destroy me. Congrats on making the playoffs.
</p>


I thought you were gonna throw the game to **** mmb out of a potential playoff spot.</p>
I play this game with honor and respect to my fellow competitors.

Besides, he can do that all by himself.

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 09:10 AM
&lt;-----in rough shape this morning....
http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/movie-guide/1663469.bin?size=620x400
</P>


lol not quite that bad...</P>


but i just dont feel good.
my roommates and I got after some boozin' last night....band broke up today.
Last night of all of us in the manision =\</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:11 AM
You pretty good friends with that guy on FB? He was going hard on you. That was alot of back and forth action though. Pretty funny but you were getting ribbed hard.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:11 AM
&lt;-----in rough shape this morning....
http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/movie-guide/1663469.bin?size=620x400


as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:13 AM
You pretty good friends with that guy on FB? He was going hard on you. That was alot of back and forth action though. Pretty funny but you were getting ribbed hard.



haha 3 on 1, it always happens. Yea we're all boys they are all Jet fans though

it goes on every year. I am OWNING them right now.

I could be tossed off facebook for the amount of asian jokes I drop on that one kid

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 09:21 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:26 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 09:30 AM
HOLY ****</P>


http://i.imgur.com/OHEaF.gif</P>

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 09:33 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


That<U> is</U> weird.</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 09:33 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</P>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:37 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


</p>

CP3 said **** you to boston</p>


</p>

He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</p>


</p>


</p>


That<u> is</u> weird.</p>




CP3 said *** you to boston</p>


</p>

He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</p>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:40 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>

i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:43 AM
as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

Yea, I watched it to. lol It's actually not that bad of a show if you can humble yourself.

Remind me when MJ got indicted by a federal grand jury? I don't recall 10 kids coming forward saying MJ touched them either. No one has came forward since he died and said anything. Weird?

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 09:43 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>



</P>


CP3 said **** you to boston</P>



</P>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</P>



</P>



</P>


That<U> is</U> weird.</P>





CP3 said *** you to boston</P>



</P>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</P>



</P>


I actually kinda like cp3.
my favorite players are Amare, Nash, CP3....and an underrated one...Danny Granger. yea idk..lol</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:44 AM
You pretty good friends with that guy on FB? He was going hard on you. That was alot of back and forth action though. Pretty funny but you were getting ribbed hard.



haha 3 on 1, it always happens. Yea we're all boys they are all Jet fans though

it goes on every year. I am OWNING them right now.

I could be tossed off facebook for the amount of asian jokes I drop on that one kid

Well since you are owning them it's probably why he is so mad. I guess I just don't take kindly to fat jokes. It's rude. lol

Dude, some of the jokes were hilarious. Cat meat. lmao

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 09:45 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</P>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</P>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</P>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:46 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>
It makes a cold spot on your heart a little warmer.

Pizz coming back to the NBA. I'm a little excited.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:48 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>



</p>


CP3 said **** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</p>



</p>



</p>


That<u> is</u> weird.</p>





CP3 said *** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</p>



</p>


I actually kinda like cp3.
my favorite players are Amare, Nash, CP3....and an underrated one...Danny Granger. yea idk..lol</p>
Granger is a baller. Just sucks he is in a wasteland.

CP3 is awesome. He made the Lakers look terrible in the playoffs. I know, I know, it's not hard. lol

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:50 AM
as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

Yea, I watched it to. lol It's actually not that bad of a show if you can humble yourself.

Remind me when MJ got indicted by a federal grand jury? I don't recall 10 kids coming forward saying MJ touched them either. No one has came forward since he died and said anything. Weird?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

are u suggesting that MJ wasn't indicted? I do recall people doing that. Its just amazing that you think that Paterno (the guy who didn't do it) should be held just as accountable as the guy that did and all of this, but u have a ton of excuses for MJ. But a guy like MJ who has more money than god (and i dont doubt some were just trying to get money) couldn't buy himself out of the situation

Oh, thats right he just slept with the kids. I heard sandusky just took showers with em

[:|]

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:50 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</p>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</p>
All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:51 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>



</p>


CP3 said **** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</p>



</p>



</p>


That<u> is</u> weird.</p>





CP3 said *** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</p>



</p>


I actually kinda like cp3.
my favorite players are Amare, Nash, CP3....and an underrated one...Danny Granger. yea idk..lol</p>

i respect his game, but he really ****in cries more than the average bear in the NBA which is hard to do. I cqan't stand it. EVERY time down court he is crying about something, literally

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 09:52 AM
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Lakers have no plans to amnesty Metta World Peace</font><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">

</div>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:53 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</p>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</p>

he has a player option next year, so this is the last year of his contract.

He'll be a Knick last year

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 09:54 AM
<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Lakers have no plans to amnesty Metta World Peace</font><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">

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7 mil for the next 3 years? Only a matter of time

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 10:01 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</P>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</P>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</P>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</P>



All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.
</P>


The new CBA will make that very difficult. The cap may no be hard, but its less soft than it was. Carrying those three salaries will be very difficult.</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:02 AM
lando go look my fbook page for more of it. The screen shot i posted and the white boy rapping video that kwon posted lol... good stuff on there

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 10:03 AM
as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

Yea, I watched it to. lol It's actually not that bad of a show if you can humble yourself.

Remind me when MJ got indicted by a federal grand jury? I don't recall 10 kids coming forward saying MJ touched them either. No one has came forward since he died and said anything. Weird?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

are u suggesting that MJ wasn't indicted? I do recall people doing that. Its just amazing that you think that Paterno (the guy who didn't do it) should be held just as accountable as the guy that did and all of this, but u have a ton of excuses for MJ. But a guy like MJ who has more money than god (and i dont doubt some were just trying to get money) couldn't buy himself out of the situation

Oh, thats right he just slept with the kids. I heard sandusky just took showers with em

[:|]



I never said Paterno should be held just as accountable. He should be held as morally accountable as anyone else who did nothing but he didn't touch these kids. Maybe even a little more because of who he was and what he stood for.

When I read that all I see is not guilty, not guilty and not guilty. He did settle with some kids and others he was proven by a court of law to have done nothing or people were lying. I don't condone what MJ did and would never let my kids around him let alone sleep in a bed with him for what people have accused. He has just never been found guilty of anything and you are convinced he is. No one can change your mind on that. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but people have come forward and said their parents told them to lie or admitted they just lied to get money. He put himself in some very bad positions and made himself easy to extort.

I really don't want to start this again either.


What Sandusky did is not even remotely close to MJ. The fact you compare the 2 is wrong.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:03 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</p>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</p>



All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.
</p>


The new CBA will make that very difficult. The cap may no be hard, but its less soft than it was. Carrying those three salaries will be very difficult.</p>

who cares. It will be easy

You get 3 superstars u can fill with rest with vet minimum and role players

its how the NBA is.

you should know that best as boston fan. The only difference is that Knicks are getting these guys young and in their prime

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 10:04 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>



</P>


CP3 said **** you to boston</P>



</P>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</P>



</P>



</P>


That<U> is</U> weird.</P>





CP3 said *** you to boston</P>



</P>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</P>



</P>


I actually kinda like cp3.
my favorite players are Amare, Nash, CP3....and an underrated one...Danny Granger. yea idk..lol</P>



Granger is a baller. Just sucks he is in a wasteland.

CP3 is awesome. He made the Lakers look terrible in the playoffs. I know, I know, it's not hard. lol
</P>


no doubt. I'm pretty sure Granger could play 1, 2, 3 or 4 if you needed. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:07 AM
as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

Yea, I watched it to. lol It's actually not that bad of a show if you can humble yourself.

Remind me when MJ got indicted by a federal grand jury? I don't recall 10 kids coming forward saying MJ touched them either. No one has came forward since he died and said anything. Weird?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

are u suggesting that MJ wasn't indicted? I do recall people doing that. Its just amazing that you think that Paterno (the guy who didn't do it) should be held just as accountable as the guy that did and all of this, but u have a ton of excuses for MJ. But a guy like MJ who has more money than god (and i dont doubt some were just trying to get money) couldn't buy himself out of the situation

Oh, thats right he just slept with the kids. I heard sandusky just took showers with em

[:|]



I never said Paterno should be held just as accountable. He should be held as morally accountable as anyone else who did nothing but he didn't touch these kids. Maybe even a little more because of who he was and what he stood for.

When I read that all I see is not guilty, not guilty and not guilty. He did settle with some kids and others he was proven by a court of law to have done nothing or people were lying. I don't condone what MJ did and would never let my kids around him let alone sleep in a bed with him for what people have accused. He has just never been found guilty of anything and you are convinced he is. No one can change your mind on that. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but people have come forward and said their parents told them to lie or admitted they just lied to get money. He put himself in some very bad positions and made himself easy to extort.

I really don't want to start this again either.


What Sandusky did is not even remotely close to MJ. The fact you compare the 2 is wrong.


yes he is.. .they both touched kids. They both crossed that line and the fact that sandusky passed that line FAR more is moot. They are both scumbags

bottom line, if u didn't have a hardon for MJs music you wouldn't be saying this - truth

You can bring up the fact he wasn't found guilty all you want and its true he wans't so he shouldn't see jail. But we both agree that Casey Anthony did it and is a scumbag

you have ur blinders on. To take a line from your argument about Joe Pa: "what if that was your kids"

i doubt u'd be okay with it

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 10:08 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</P>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</P>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</P>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</P>



All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.
</P>


The new CBA will make that very difficult. The cap may no be hard, but its less soft than it was. Carrying those three salaries will be very difficult.</P>




who cares. It will be easy

You get 3 superstars u can fill with rest with vet minimum and role players

its how the NBA is.

you should know that best as boston fan. The only difference is that Knicks are getting these guys young and in their prime
</P>


Honestly Matt, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Its the NBA, and the NBA essentially sucks.</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:10 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>



</p>


CP3 said **** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA *****)</p>



</p>



</p>


That<u> is</u> weird.</p>





CP3 said *** you to boston</p>



</p>


He went from one of my top 3 most hated nba players, to like top 10 (he still whines more than the average NBA ***)</p>



</p>


I actually kinda like cp3.
my favorite players are Amare, Nash, CP3....and an underrated one...Danny Granger. yea idk..lol</p>



Granger is a baller. Just sucks he is in a wasteland.

CP3 is awesome. He made the Lakers look terrible in the playoffs. I know, I know, it's not hard. lol
</p>


no doubt. I'm pretty sure Granger could play 1, 2, 3 or 4 if you needed. lol</p>

i like granger alot but I dont think hes developed as much as I thought he would by now.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:11 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</p>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</p>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</p>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</p>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</p>



All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.
</p>


The new CBA will make that very difficult. The cap may no be hard, but its less soft than it was. Carrying those three salaries will be very difficult.</p>




who cares. It will be easy

You get 3 superstars u can fill with rest with vet minimum and role players

its how the NBA is.

you should know that best as boston fan. The only difference is that Knicks are getting these guys young and in their prime
</p>


Honestly Matt, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Its the NBA, and the NBA essentially sucks.</p>

lol u really are a bandwagon guy huh? Think aren't looking so hot for the CElts this year and all of a sudden your less of an NBA guy?

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 10:19 AM
So....we going to a Nets game next year in bk!? lol

(sorry, im just not a big Knicks fan...never been)

its weird

im actually excited for bball

i think its in part because it hasn't dragged for the first two months. Im actually doing a fantasy basketball league for 50 bucks if anybody wants in. All pretty much rookies except for like one or two kids maybe


</P>


ehhh...im not really, and im not just saying that because im not a huge fan....</P>


I havent been excited for the nba season since like 98. lol
I'm going to TRY to follow better this year....but i won 2 fantasy leagues last year without watching more than like 3 games all season lol...sooooooo</P>




i think its helps that the Knicks have a respectable team and the Nets may land Dwight and Dwill - could be huge
</P>


Word is that the Knicks have nothing to offer in return. Paul wants to play in NY but they have no way of getting him there.</P>



All he has to do is play this year in NO and he will be a free agent. Even if NO trades him he doesn't have to resign with the team that gets him. The Knicks are only giving out 1 year contracts this year to make sure they have all the room they need. I hope it doesn't happen but I bet it will.
</P>


The new CBA will make that very difficult. The cap may no be hard, but its less soft than it was. Carrying those three salaries will be very difficult.</P>




who cares. It will be easy

You get 3 superstars u can fill with rest with vet minimum and role players

its how the NBA is.

you should know that best as boston fan. The only difference is that Knicks are getting these guys young and in their prime
</P>


Honestly Matt, I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Its the NBA, and the NBA essentially sucks.</P>




lol u really are a bandwagon guy huh? Think aren't looking so hot for the CElts this year and all of a sudden your less of an NBA guy?
</P>


When it comes to the NBA..maybe so. I'm a football ,baseball guy. Along with Uconn hoops. I was huge into the NBA during the Magic/Larry era but the league really sucks now. I have a tough time watching NBA games in general. I watch them is small doses.</P>


But if you are asking me if I follow the Celtics anywhere near as much as the Giants or the Red Sox...they answer is definately not.</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 10:19 AM
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</P>


I think that he WANTS to be crazy more than he actually IS crazy.....I just feel like everything about him is super fake....like he's just TRYING to be ridiculous so he can stay relevant.</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 10:24 AM
i like granger alot but I dont think hes developed as much as I thought he would by now.
</P>


Hard to say...
he's not like one of these Lebron-types who just takes the team on his back to wins....he's just a reallyu good player on a really bad team, so he doesnt really get his moments. I think he's be ridiculous if they had a big man threat like Howard or someone</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:30 AM
i like granger alot but I dont think hes developed as much as I thought he would by now.
</p>


Hard to say...
he's not like one of these Lebron-types who just takes the team on his back to wins....he's just a reallyu good player on a really bad team, so he doesnt really get his moments. I think he's be ridiculous if they had a big man threat like Howard or someone</p>

yea but I thought he could be more like a Durant

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 10:35 AM
Idk if you guys want to continue the conversation of basketball....but...over the past few years, i been thinkin....
Why do centers in the NBA suck so bad?? There are like no good big guys in basketball anymore. its pretty terrible.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 10:38 AM
as i sat home last night and watched XFactor with blondie because i guess i'm a ***, I started to think of you (which probably makes me more of a ***) because it was Michael Jackson night

I couldn't help but be reminded of how you were willing to fight to death for Michael but were so ready to slit the throat of anybody that was within 100 yards of the Penn St. Situation.

#nobalance

Yea, I watched it to. lol It's actually not that bad of a show if you can humble yourself.

Remind me when MJ got indicted by a federal grand jury? I don't recall 10 kids coming forward saying MJ touched them either. No one has came forward since he died and said anything. Weird?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

are u suggesting that MJ wasn't indicted? I do recall people doing that. Its just amazing that you think that Paterno (the guy who didn't do it) should be held just as accountable as the guy that did and all of this, but u have a ton of excuses for MJ. But a guy like MJ who has more money than god (and i dont doubt some were just trying to get money) couldn't buy himself out of the situation

Oh, thats right he just slept with the kids. I heard sandusky just took showers with em

[:|]



I never said Paterno should be held just as accountable. He should be held as morally accountable as anyone else who did nothing but he didn't touch these kids. Maybe even a little more because of who he was and what he stood for.

When I read that all I see is not guilty, not guilty and not guilty. He did settle with some kids and others he was proven by a court of law to have done nothing or people were lying. I don't condone what MJ did and would never let my kids around him let alone sleep in a bed with him for what people have accused. He has just never been found guilty of anything and you are convinced he is. No one can change your mind on that. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but people have come forward and said their parents told them to lie or admitted they just lied to get money. He put himself in some very bad positions and made himself easy to extort.

I really don't want to start this again either.


What Sandusky did is not even remotely close to MJ. The fact you compare the 2 is wrong.


yes he is.. .they both touched kids. They both crossed that line and the fact that sandusky passed that line FAR more is moot. They are both scumbags

bottom line, if u didn't have a hardon for MJs music you wouldn't be saying this - truth

You can bring up the fact he wasn't found guilty all you want and its true he wans't so he shouldn't see jail. But we both agree that Casey Anthony did it and is a scumbag

you have ur blinders on. To take a line from your argument about Joe Pa: "what if that was your kids"

i doubt u'd be okay with it

I can't staaaaaand MJ's music. I like maybe 1 or 2 of his songs and have never owned 1 of his cd's.

I also don't agree Casey Anthony killed her daughter so I'm not sure where you got that from.

They both are scumbags for sure. I wouldn't let my kids in the situation because I'm a responsible parent.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 10:40 AM
Idk if you guys want to continue the conversation of basketball....but...over the past few years, i been thinkin....
Why do centers in the NBA suck so bad?? There are like no good big guys in basketball anymore. its pretty terrible.

it is amazing

you would think with how naturally its been over sports with players being generally bigger and stronger that centers have devolved. Its a weird thing

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Idk if you guys want to continue the conversation of basketball....but...over the past few years, i been thinkin....
Why do centers in the NBA suck so bad?? There are like no good big guys in basketball anymore. its pretty terrible.
The back to the basket game has gone away in the NBA. There are no more players like Shaq, Ewing or Hakeem. Big guys don't even have post moves anymore. Dwight being the exception, he can't play with his front to the basket or hit a jumpshot to save his life. Everyone tries to make moves towards the basket. Also the Euro players have a big part of it as well I think. They are 7 footers shooting 3's. The game also has gotten alot faster and these big men can't keep up. I would say there are less than 5 true centers in the game anymore.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 10:47 AM
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I think that he WANTS to be crazy more than he actually IS crazy.....I just feel like everything about him is super fake....like he's just TRYING to be ridiculous so he can stay relevant.</p>
He bothers me. His D is great but that's about all he doesn.

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 10:50 AM
[I can't staaaaaand MJ's music. I like maybe 1 or 2 of his songs and have never owned 1 of his cd's.


</P>


ditto....i only like a few of his songs, the rest i couldnt give a **** about.</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 10:54 AM
On the Dan Patrick Show today, Aikman said he doesn’t think
he’s any tougher on Eli than he is on any other NFL quarterback. And he
reminded Archie that his son is a grown man who can handle such
criticism himself.</p>


“Eli hasn’t said anything to me,” Aikman said. “He’s 30 years old and
if he has something to say or if he feels I’m being a little too tough
then he can certainly voice that.”</p>


Aikman added that he thinks highly of the youngest member of the
Manning quarterback clan, but that when Eli threw one particularly bad
pass in that game against the Patriots, it was Aikman’s job to say so.</p>


“I think Eli is playing outstanding,” Aikman said. “Archie is
referring to a game a few weeks back, when Eli, with a one-possession
lead, threw a reckless ball into the corner of the end zone, it was
intercepted and you just can’t have that as a quarterback. I know that,
Eli knows that. I pointed it out. Sometimes quarterbacks don’t play as
great as their parents think they do.”</p>


Aikman is right: Announcers who sugarcoat their commentary are doing a
disservice to the viewers. If a quarterback makes a mistake, the
ex-quarterback in the booth is supposed to analyze the mistake, without
worrying about how the quarterback’s dad might feel.</p>


</p>


</p>

One of the comments on the story...made me laugh and think of MH.</p>

Troy should feel lucky Archie isn’t Phil Simms</p>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 11:01 AM
On the Dan Patrick Show today, Aikman said he doesn’t think
he’s any tougher on Eli than he is on any other NFL quarterback. And he
reminded Archie that his son is a grown man who can handle such
criticism himself.</p>


“Eli hasn’t said anything to me,” Aikman said. “He’s 30 years old and
if he has something to say or if he feels I’m being a little too tough
then he can certainly voice that.”</p>


Aikman added that he thinks highly of the youngest member of the
Manning quarterback clan, but that when Eli threw one particularly bad
pass in that game against the Patriots, it was Aikman’s job to say so.</p>


“I think Eli is playing outstanding,” Aikman said. “Archie is
referring to a game a few weeks back, when Eli, with a one-possession
lead, threw a reckless ball into the corner of the end zone, it was
intercepted and you just can’t have that as a quarterback. I know that,
Eli knows that. I pointed it out. Sometimes quarterbacks don’t play as
great as their parents think they do.”</p>


Aikman is right: Announcers who sugarcoat their commentary are doing a
disservice to the viewers. If a quarterback makes a mistake, the
ex-quarterback in the booth is supposed to analyze the mistake, without
worrying about how the quarterback’s dad might feel.</p>


</p>


</p>

One of the comments on the story...made me laugh and think of MH.</p>

Troy should feel lucky Archie isn’t Phil Simms</p>

i typically agree that Aikman tries to be balanced and I guess his argument would have more validity of Peyton didn't call him and buck out in 2008 too. The thing Aikmans missing is that this isn't based off of one throw that he critiqued

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 11:03 AM
ditto
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vHC4WHfWxc/SQID1017k7I/AAAAAAAABgM/iy8Gw7y3msk/s320/230px-Ghost_pottery_wheel.jpg

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:05 AM
Idk if you guys want to continue the conversation of basketball....but...over the past few years, i been thinkin....
Why do centers in the NBA suck so bad?? There are like no good big guys in basketball anymore. its pretty terrible.
The back to the basket game has gone away in the NBA. There are no more players like Shaq, Ewing or Hakeem. Big guys don't even have post moves anymore. Dwight being the exception, he can't play with his front to the basket or hit a jumpshot to save his life. Everyone tries to make moves towards the basket. Also the Euro players have a big part of it as well I think. They are 7 footers shooting 3's. The game also has gotten alot faster and these big men can't keep up. I would say there are less than 5 true centers in the game anymore.
</P>


Basketball has always been fast...it was the big men who casued it to intentionally slow down I think. But i liked that about it.
I think soooo much focus has been put on drawing fouls in the league to be honest. Hence alot of the "leading scorers"(i use that term loosely *cough* lebron, kobe*) score like half their points at the FT line. **** that...doesnt make you good. Now if a center gets fouled and scores his points at the line, that I can handle! lol
Tall = you suck now though. </P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:08 AM
ditto
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vHC4WHfWxc/SQID1017k7I/AAAAAAAABgM/iy8Gw7y3msk/s320/230px-Ghost_pottery_wheel.jpg
</P>


wtf?!</P>


you ever see the show "Community"?!
Theres an episode where some of the ppl are in a pottery class, and the teacher is kind of intense...except he doesnt care what you do, except ONE rule...
"NO GHOSTING!!!!!"</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:12 AM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</P>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:12 AM
ditto
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vHC4WHfWxc/SQID1017k7I/AAAAAAAABgM/iy8Gw7y3msk/s320/230px-Ghost_pottery_wheel.jpg
</p>


wtf?!</p>


you ever see the show "Community"?!
Theres an episode where some of the ppl are in a pottery class, and the teacher is kind of intense...except he doesnt care what you do, except ONE rule...
"NO GHOSTING!!!!!"</p>im gonna ghost you so hard later.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:17 AM
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lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 11:17 AM
Whoaw! That's nuts

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 11:18 AM
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JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:20 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
</P>


this has 2 possible outcomes....

1) He's goes off for 100 yards unexpectedly.
2) He breaks something, or worse...and misses part of next season...</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:21 AM
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hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 11:24 AM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</p>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</p>

cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 11:24 AM
ditto
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vHC4WHfWxc/SQID1017k7I/AAAAAAAABgM/iy8Gw7y3msk/s320/230px-Ghost_pottery_wheel.jpg
</p>


wtf?!</p>


you ever see the show "Community"?!
Theres an episode where some of the ppl are in a pottery class, and the teacher is kind of intense...except he doesnt care what you do, except ONE rule...
"NO GHOSTING!!!!!"</p>
No, never seen it but that is really funny.

Ditto is what they would always say to each other. Not sure how my brain thought of that when I saw ditto but it did so I had to share. lol

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 11:25 AM
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great idea... lets hurry him back from a foot injury for a meaningless game

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 11:27 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
</p>


this has 2 possible outcomes....

1) He's goes off for 100 yards unexpectedly.
2) He breaks something, or worse...and misses part of next season...</p>

and if u were a betting man, which would u choose? lol

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 11:27 AM
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hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
You and Jp have valid points. We are so ****ed sunday!

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:29 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</P>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</P>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</P>

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 11:29 AM
ditto
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vHC4WHfWxc/SQID1017k7I/AAAAAAAABgM/iy8Gw7y3msk/s320/230px-Ghost_pottery_wheel.jpg
</p>


wtf?!</p>


you ever see the show "Community"?!
Theres an episode where some of the ppl are in a pottery class, and the teacher is kind of intense...except he doesnt care what you do, except ONE rule...
"NO GHOSTING!!!!!"</p>
No, never seen it but that is really funny.

Ditto is what they would always say to each other. Not sure how my brain thought of that when I saw ditto but it did so I had to share. lol
Responded to your PM. Swayze in Ghost haha. Was that Demi Moore in Ghost with him?

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:30 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
</P>


this has 2 possible outcomes....

1) He's goes off for 100 yards unexpectedly.
2) He breaks something, or worse...and misses part of next season...</P>




and if u were a betting man, which would u choose? lol
</P>


option C) we're ****ed.</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:32 AM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
He did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:34 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 11:34 AM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</P>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</P>




cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument


</P>


The NBA was better in the 80's.</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:37 AM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<u>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </u>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:46 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</P>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</P>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</P>


no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.
</P>


yea and Jacobs has 300 yards on 100 carries, which is worse....whats your point??</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 11:46 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.

That is 3.21 a carry. Jacobs is averaging 3.54 a carry. Woopty doo. I bet if Ware got more carries he would average more than Jacobs. That being said, I'm not sure Barry Sanders could run behind this line.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:47 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>


no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.
</p>


yea and Jacobs has 300 yards on 100 carries, which is worse....whats your point??</p>were talking about ware homie.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 11:48 AM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</p>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</p>




cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument


</p>


The NBA was better in the 80's.</p>
But only because you were alive to see it and we weren't right?

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 11:49 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.

That is 3.21 a carry. Jacobs is averaging 3.54 a carry. Woopty doo. <u>I bet if Ware got more carries he would average more than Jacobs. </u>That being said, I'm not sure Barry Sanders could run behind this line.
it still doesnt change the fact hes a subpar back.

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:49 AM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<U>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </U>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.
</P>


none of our backs can. WHAT SAY YOU NOW, RANDOM-GUY-WHO-POSTS-HERE!?!?!?</P>

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:50 AM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</P>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</P>




cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument


</P>


The NBA was better in the 80's.</P>



But only because you were alive to see it and we weren't right?
</P>


I was born in 83!! I was there!!!</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 11:56 AM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.

That is 3.21 a carry. Jacobs is averaging 3.54 a carry. Woopty doo. <u>I bet if Ware got more carries he would average more than Jacobs. </u>That being said, I'm not sure Barry Sanders could run behind this line.
it still doesnt change the fact hes a subpar back.

No it doesn't. Nor does it change the fact Jacobs is. So what are you guys arguing about again?

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 11:58 AM
lunch time for me. back in a bit....ya bastages!!

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:02 PM
bernie on hall of fame ballot
http://mlblogsmartelli.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/bernie-williams-350x2351.jpg?w=350&amp;h=235
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/statitudes/news/2001/10/23/ws_btn/williams_ap.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/957/691/72573952_display_image.jpg?1306165217
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0430/sn_a_yankees_trohpy_200.jpg

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:05 PM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<u>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </u>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.
</p>


none of our backs can. WHAT SAY YOU NOW, RANDOM-GUY-WHO-POSTS-HERE!?!?!?</p>abs been catching when hes healthy. he had 47 last year and had 24 this year before he went down.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:06 PM
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Really? I hope he's not too rusty.
hell be better than bj and ware. has ware even had a rush for 10 yards????
</p>


had 70 yards from scrimmage last week.</p>


go back to your LI hole where you've never watch a giants game in your life.</p>no no pizz i asked if he had one attempt for more than 10 yards? lol and yes he did. a 12 yard run

pizzle, danny has 38 attempts and only 122 yards and 0 tds. time to let it go friend.

That is 3.21 a carry. Jacobs is averaging 3.54 a carry. Woopty doo. <u>I bet if Ware got more carries he would average more than Jacobs. </u>That being said, I'm not sure Barry Sanders could run behind this line.
it still doesnt change the fact hes a subpar back.

No it doesn't. Nor does it change the fact Jacobs is. So what are you guys arguing about again?
ware isnt good. pizz disagrees.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 12:09 PM
Brandon Jacobs (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/3146/Brandon-Jacobs)
has bounced 257 runs to the outside this year. They have gained a total
of two yards. (Note: I may have made that stat up. But man it’s painful
to watch Jacobs play.)

LOL

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 12:16 PM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</P>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</P>




cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument


</P>


The NBA was better in the 80's.</P>



But only because you were alive to see it and we weren't right?
</P>


And that makes me smarter, better looking and generally a better human being.</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:19 PM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<u>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </u>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.


Well Ware has impressed me from my former opinion of him, which isnt' saying much

but its clear hes no where near as goodas Pizz wishes him to be. Or no where near what Bradshaw is

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<u>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </u>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.
</p>


none of our backs can. WHAT SAY YOU NOW, RANDOM-GUY-WHO-POSTS-HERE!?!?!?</p>

yea I hate bradshaw

goddamn loser producing like a top 5 back last year

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:21 PM
Actually, I'd say that if Ware got as many carries as Jacobs this season, he would have strugn to gether a decent season for a part time player.
H<u>e did catch 8 passes out of the backfield the other night. </u>Something Dezzz has been *****ing about for years....but, since he doesnt watch Giants games, he wouldnt know that.
BUT HE CANT RUN!!! Thats his main job.
</p>


none of our backs can. WHAT SAY YOU NOW, RANDOM-GUY-WHO-POSTS-HERE!?!?!?</p>abs been catching when hes healthy. he had 47 last year and had 24 this year before he went down.


AB was on pace to have Tiki - type numbers in the receiving catagory this year

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:21 PM
lol i looked matt and you didnt ask me "what does a head coach do" once. you DID however ask how can i hate someone like girardi and support tc. girdardi is one of the most unconventional coaches in baseball. just dont like his style. he did an amazing job with our sp last year but i feel we could of won at least one ws in the past years with a different approach and coach.



tc is a traditionalist, old school, hard *** whatever you want to call it. youre right a head coach is suppose to make sure the players are ready and prepared, i still really dont think a coaches main job is to motivate a player, he should try to an extent but a player needs to be able to motivate themselves, agree to disagree i guess. iv notice that its just the defense that always seems to give up, they probably were indeed "prepared and ready"(tc own words) to execute fewells plan, but it hasnt worked since hes walked in the front door. like i said few times the buck stops with tc i get that, but to start calling him out saying he needs to be fired, i cant wait, tcs 20-100 against winning teams......the man deserves better is all im saying.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:23 PM
**** i miss 90s NBA so much!!!

coincidence that 4 of the 10 Centers on the 1996 "NBA TOP 50" list...were all from the 90s, while the list was in the 90s? lol
Hakeem
Shaq
David Robinson
Ewing
</p>


and actually 10 of the 50 players on the list played in the 90s....and about 6-7 more of them were 80s players who played a bit in the 90s also.</p>




cue pappy's better days were in the 80s argument


</p>


The NBA was better in the 80's.</p>



But only because you were alive to see it and we weren't right?
</p>


And that makes me smarter, better looking and generally a better human being.</p>

http://captionsplash.mylifetime.com/files/captionsplash/imagecache/cs_full_430x323/caption_photos/2009-11-01/1257131268/image.jpg

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:25 PM
Brandon Jacobs (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NFL/3146/Brandon-Jacobs)
has bounced 257 runs to the outside this year. They have gained a total
of two yards. (Note: I may have made that stat up. But man it’s painful
to watch Jacobs play.)

LOL
lol, i was thinking to myself wow, that cant be right

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:26 PM
lol i looked matt and you didnt ask me "what does a head coach do" once. you DID however ask how can i hate someone like girardi and support tc. girdardi is one of the most unconventional coaches in baseball. just dont like his style. he did an amazing job with our sp last year but i feel we could of won at least one ws in the past years with a different approach and coach.



tc is a traditionalist, old school, hard *** whatever you want to call it. youre right a head coach is suppose to make sure the players are ready and prepared, i still really dont think a coaches main job is to motivate a player, he should try to an extent but a player needs to be able to motivate themselves, agree to disagree i guess. iv notice that its just the defense that always seems to give up, they probably were indeed "prepared and ready"(tc own words) to execute fewells plan, but it hasnt worked since hes walked in the front door. like i said few times the buck stops with tc i get that, but to start calling him out saying he needs to be fired, i cant wait, tcs 20-100 against winning teams......the man deserves better is all im saying.


Bottom line is that we do take it on the players and coordinators every week. At what point of having the SAME thing happen with different players and 3 different DCs does it stop being everybody else BUT the HC.

Just curious, what do u think was the major change in San Fran was? Braylon Edwards?

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:32 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:39 PM
lol i looked matt and you didnt ask me "what does a head coach do" once. you DID however ask how can i hate someone like girardi and support tc. girdardi is one of the most unconventional coaches in baseball. just dont like his style. he did an amazing job with our sp last year but i feel we could of won at least one ws in the past years with a different approach and coach.



tc is a traditionalist, old school, hard *** whatever you want to call it. youre right a head coach is suppose to make sure the players are ready and prepared, i still really dont think a coaches main job is to motivate a player, he should try to an extent but a player needs to be able to motivate themselves, agree to disagree i guess. iv notice that its just the defense that always seems to give up, they probably were indeed "prepared and ready"(tc own words) to execute fewells plan, but it hasnt worked since hes walked in the front door. like i said few times the buck stops with tc i get that, but to start calling him out saying he needs to be fired, i cant wait, tcs 20-100 against winning teams......the man deserves better is all im saying.


Bottom line is that we do take it on the players and coordinators every week. <u>At what point of having the SAME thing happen with different players and 3 different DCs does it stop being everybody else BUT the HC.</u>

Just curious, what do u think was the major change in San Fran was? Braylon Edwards?
youre looking at the glass half empty. 05 we went 11-6, 07 superbowl, 08 12-4. hes done some great things with this team. whats the same thing. defensive players quiting on horrible schemes? cause the only time iv seen them really quit like the other night has all been under sheridan and fewell. theyre horrible coordinators. but like i said hes head coach and hes in charge. maybe it will be good if he leaves. but no need for the spite.


im not going to pretend like i know why the 9ers are winning cause i dont watch them. they havnt played any good teams though besides detroit though.

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 12:40 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


Combine that with the fact that he is blindly loyal to these coaches despite their effectiveness.</P>


This regime is very near its end.</P>


Lets usher in the Mike Zimmer era in January.</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 12:44 PM
<u>it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head</u>

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
youre probably right, BUT it did happen. and thats your opinion, i dont really need to defend a guy who took a brand new team to two afc championships and a guy who won a couple rings with us

ny06
12-01-2011, 12:45 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:48 PM
lol i looked matt and you didnt ask me "what does a head coach do" once. you DID however ask how can i hate someone like girardi and support tc. girdardi is one of the most unconventional coaches in baseball. just dont like his style. he did an amazing job with our sp last year but i feel we could of won at least one ws in the past years with a different approach and coach.



tc is a traditionalist, old school, hard *** whatever you want to call it. youre right a head coach is suppose to make sure the players are ready and prepared, i still really dont think a coaches main job is to motivate a player, he should try to an extent but a player needs to be able to motivate themselves, agree to disagree i guess. iv notice that its just the defense that always seems to give up, they probably were indeed "prepared and ready"(tc own words) to execute fewells plan, but it hasnt worked since hes walked in the front door. like i said few times the buck stops with tc i get that, but to start calling him out saying he needs to be fired, i cant wait, tcs 20-100 against winning teams......the man deserves better is all im saying.


Bottom line is that we do take it on the players and coordinators every week. <u>At what point of having the SAME thing happen with different players and 3 different DCs does it stop being everybody else BUT the HC.</u>

Just curious, what do u think was the major change in San Fran was? Braylon Edwards?
youre looking at the glass half empty. 05 we went 11-6, 07 superbowl, 08 12-4. hes done some great things with this team. whats the same thing. defensive players quiting on horrible schemes? cause the only time iv seen them really quit like the other night has all been under sheridan and fewell. theyre horrible coordinators. but like i said hes head coach and hes in charge. maybe it will be good if he leaves. but no need for the spite.


im not going to pretend like i know why the 9ers are winning cause i dont watch them. they havnt played any good teams though besides detroit though.


no im actually looking and judging.

We had a pretty good year 05 - until we got the the playoffs and got EMBARRESSED. How can you take anything out of that 05 season except the embarressing underacheiving playoff blowout vs the Panthers? Its not half empty - its we had NOTHING to show for the success we had that season. I mean isn't this the same concept we've taunted the Cowboys for for the past 16 years?

Same thing with 08. We had the best team in football and the team couldn't over come Plax not being there and got embarressed in the playoffs. Could there have been a year of more blatant under acheiving?

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:50 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


Combine that with the fact that he is blindly loyal to these coaches despite their effectiveness.</p>


This regime is very near its end.</p>


Lets usher in the Mike Zimmer era in January.</p>

**** mike zimmer... he would be an awful solution. I think i'd prefer Coughlin to stay

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:53 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>

thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:53 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>

thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:54 PM
<u>it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head</u>

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
youre probably right, BUT it did happen. and thats your opinion, i dont really need to defend a guy who took a brand new team to two afc championships and a guy who won a couple rings with us


well if your really willing to bring up the mid 90s, why don't we bring up the mid 80s? I mean the mid 90s was more comparable to the mid 80s than todays game is....


**** we **** bring in Joe Gibbs

he won 1 ring with us - and the difference make was Spags, not Coughlin

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 12:58 PM
http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/843753162/cimini_rich_55_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=RichCimini)RichCimini (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=RichCimini) <span class="timeline">Rich Cimini</span>

A new wrinkle: Every time Sanchez completes a ball in passing drill vs. no defenders, teammates clap three times.


That's cute!!! lol

Tell your boys about that one Matt.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 12:59 PM
and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year. Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:00 PM
and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year. Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore. And it hiliarious you can condemn a team for that, but then totally disregard the same point when its made about Coughlin

per usual, no consistancy in the argument

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:00 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</P>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </P>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, that give it there all every play, every game. </P>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:00 PM
Attention Philadelphia and Seattle: Of the 92 teams to have a 4-7 record from 1990 to 2010, only 3 made the playoffs (3.3 pct).

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:03 PM
and the beauty of my San Fran debate



You mean my debate. lol

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:04 PM
and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year. Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore



and the Giants :(

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:05 PM
<div class="report">


Hakeem Nicks (concussion, ribs), Mario Manningham (knee) and Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) all missed practice Thursday.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Nicks' absence is a concern. He took a few
punishing hits on Monday night, including one from Isa Abdul-Quddus over
the middle that nearly decapitated him. When Nicks showed up for work
on Wednesday, he had headaches. Although the Giants say he has been
medically cleared, this could be a fluid situation thanks to the tricky
nature of concussions.
</div>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:05 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>

Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:06 PM
<div class="report">


Miles Austin (hamstring) was not participating at Cowboys practice Thursday.</p>
</div>

So much for Jerry Jones' early-week optimism.
Austin's inability to get back in practice is a sign he won't return
against the Cardinals this week.


GO CARDINALS!!!

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:07 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:08 PM
<div class="report">


Jay Cutler (thumb surgery) acknowledged that making a return in the regular season is a long shot.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
The recovery time from this kind of surgery varies
greatly, depending on how patients respond to the pins and screws in
their thumb. "It could be that I'm done for the season," Cutler said. "I
don't know. I just have to be smart about it. I have to realize there
is a long-term picture here."
</div>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:08 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:09 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</P>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </P>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </P>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </P>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</P>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</P>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:11 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:13 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</p>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</p>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</p>


</p>

LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:14 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</P>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </P>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </P>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </P>


</P>

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:16 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</P>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </P>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </P>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </P>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</P>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</P>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</P>


</P>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</P>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</P>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </P>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </P>

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 01:18 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>This part I agree with entirely: NY06 said "What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after
this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel
ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should
say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant
football."

The coaches must take responsibility for having the team prepared each week.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:18 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>

no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:22 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</p>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</p>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</p>


</p>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</p>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</p>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </p>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </p>

yea i got my info from the same website that u did that said they never quit. Glad you were on top of that. I actually inquire about other teams and try to get as much knowledge on football year round. Not going to turn this into a comparison, but what gives you more of a right to make a statement like that than i do? I'd guarantee that i follow the NFL in a more broad way than you do

i don't watch the yankees as much as u guys because baseball puts me to sleep. Big difference

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 01:22 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>

thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
We have gone thru the same end of season stuff for 2+ season's now. We got Fewell after Spags left. I have no idea what the organization is going to do, but what if they do not make any changes to the coaching staff?

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:23 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:24 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>

thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
We have gone thru the same end of season stuff for 2+ season's now. We got Fewell after Spags left. I have no idea what the organization is going to do, but what if they do not make any changes to the coaching staff?


then would anybody expect anything else but the same **** as the past few years...

again i am all premising this on not making the playoffs... if we make the playoffs and make the run i say give him next year too

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:25 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.


okay dezz - so then do me a favor, list me who all the good teams are in the league to where u'd give props to somebody for winning, im dying to hear

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:26 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.


okay dezz - so then do me a favor, list me who all the good teams are in the league to where u'd give props to somebody for winning, im dying to hear

and if u think the cowboys arent' a pretty good team then your nuts. Murray may have completed them

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:26 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</P>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </P>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </P>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </P>


</P>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</P>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </P>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </P>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </P>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:27 PM
i think we made all our points. but you sound like a tc hater matt. so does mh, and i dont think its warranted. he deserves respect and class, like hes shown his players and us fans for over 8 years

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:30 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</P>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </P>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </P>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </P>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</P>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</P>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</P>


</P>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</P>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</P>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </P>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </P>




yea i got my info from the same website that u did that said they never quit. Glad you were on top of that. I actually inquire about other teams and try to get as much knowledge on football year round. Not going to turn this into a comparison, but what gives you more of a right to make a statement like that than i do? I'd guarantee that i follow the NFL in a more broad way than you do

i don't watch the yankees as much as u guys because baseball puts me to sleep. Big difference
</P>


You're not going to turn this into a comparison arguement, but in the same sentence you say you follow the nfl in a broad way more then me? </P>


Please explain to me how the 49ers quit? I would love to hear this. </P>


</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:30 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:31 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>

So then what are you arguing with me about, because your completely losing me. You've tried to say im not blaming the players at all and I've pointed out to you thats not the case numerous times now.

If your mistaking me saying we have the talent now and can win with these guys as me not putting blame on the players for their performance, well then your just mistaken. We don't need to BLOW the team up. Get rid of Osi and Jacobs, okay - but beyond that who do you think REALLY needs to go? McKenzie? I can go wtih that. I would like to see Beatty at RT next year and Diehl back at LT.

I mean we are losing people no matter who the coach is next year due to FA and cap issues. So before I even respond to your blowing the team up - be specific in your examples.

you don't even want to know our record at home...

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:37 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</P>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </P>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </P>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </P>


</P>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</P>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </P>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </P>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </P>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </P>




So then what are you arguing with me about, because your completely losing me. You've tried to say im not blaming the players at all and I've pointed out to you thats not the case numerous times now.

If your mistaking me saying we have the talent now and can win with these guys as me not putting blame on the players for their performance, well then your just mistaken. We don't need to BLOW the team up. Get rid of Osi and Jacobs, okay - but beyond that who do you think REALLY needs to go? McKenzie? I can go wtih that. I would like to see Beatty at RT next year and Diehl back at LT.

I mean we are losing people no matter who the coach is next year due to FA and cap issues. So before I even respond to your blowing the team up - be specific in your examples.

you don't even want to know our record at home...
</P>


Your arguement is a new head coach will make a world of difference. </P>


My arguement is we need an overhaul on the players. </P>


A new head coach <U>can</U> make a difference, but it won't change the flat and uninspired play from the players. </P>


Hence the word can, will it, I highly doubt it. </P>

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:37 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</p>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</p>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</p>


</p>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</p>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</p>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </p>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </p>




yea i got my info from the same website that u did that said they never quit. Glad you were on top of that. I actually inquire about other teams and try to get as much knowledge on football year round. Not going to turn this into a comparison, but what gives you more of a right to make a statement like that than i do? I'd guarantee that i follow the NFL in a more broad way than you do

i don't watch the yankees as much as u guys because baseball puts me to sleep. Big difference
</p>


You're not going to turn this into a comparison arguement, but in the same sentence you say you follow the nfl in a broad way more then me? </p>


Please explain to me how the 49ers quit? I would love to hear this. </p>


</p>

Explain to me how they showed heart as well and DIDNT quit.

That team didn't play for Singletary and it showed - hence why they are doing good right now

I mean if i throw stats at you wouldn't that just mean im being a stat ***** and play into the whole thing?

How bout the dramatically increased play of the team form coach to coach. How bout the players saying they are happy Singletary was fired?

I mean what kind of examples do you want.

And hey man you went there by trying to make some comment about me not watching the yankees - its because i don't care about baseball really. Its a snoozing sport. 3.5 hours of watching a guy throw a ball to another guy and occasional people will run.

And I would def say that I generally have a grasp on most teams in the nfl year round because all i do is read nfl based articles and listen to Sirus NFL radio most of my days at work.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:38 PM
i think we made all our points. but you sound like a tc hater matt. so does mh, and i dont think its warranted. he deserves respect and class, like hes shown his players and us fans for over 8 years


i gues that means ny06 must sound like a TC despiser since hes wanted him gone since 09

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:39 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.


okay dezz - so then do me a favor, list me who all the good teams are in the league to where u'd give props to somebody for winning, im dying to hear
i think it would be much easier if you listed the good teams the cowboys have beat lol

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:39 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</p>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</p>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</p>


</p>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</p>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</p>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </p>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </p>




yea i got my info from the same website that u did that said they never quit. Glad you were on top of that. I actually inquire about other teams and try to get as much knowledge on football year round. Not going to turn this into a comparison, but what gives you more of a right to make a statement like that than i do? I'd guarantee that i follow the NFL in a more broad way than you do

i don't watch the yankees as much as u guys because baseball puts me to sleep. Big difference
</p>


You're not going to turn this into a comparison arguement, but in the same sentence you say you follow the nfl in a broad way more then me? </p>


Please explain to me how the 49ers quit? I would love to hear this. </p>


</p>

Explain to me how they showed heart as well and DIDNT quit.

That team didn't play for Singletary and it showed - hence why they are doing good right now

I mean if i throw stats at you wouldn't that just mean im being a stat ***** and play into the whole thing?

How bout the dramatically increased play of the team form coach to coach. How bout the players saying they are happy Singletary was fired?

I mean what kind of examples do you want.

And hey man you went there by trying to make some comment about me not watching the yankees - its because i don't care about baseball really. Its a snoozing sport. 3.5 hours of watching a guy throw a ball to another guy and occasional people will run.

And I would def say that I generally have a grasp on most teams in the nfl year round because all i do is read nfl based articles and listen to Sirus NFL radio most of my days at work.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:40 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.


okay dezz - so then do me a favor, list me who all the good teams are in the league to where u'd give props to somebody for winning, im dying to hear
i think it would be much easier if you listed the good teams the cowboys have beat lol


well by your own theory then that must mean TC REALLY sucks because hes 18-37 vs good teams as Giants HC... thanks for that

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:41 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>




So then what are you arguing with me about, because your completely losing me. You've tried to say im not blaming the players at all and I've pointed out to you thats not the case numerous times now.

If your mistaking me saying we have the talent now and can win with these guys as me not putting blame on the players for their performance, well then your just mistaken. We don't need to BLOW the team up. Get rid of Osi and Jacobs, okay - but beyond that who do you think REALLY needs to go? McKenzie? I can go wtih that. I would like to see Beatty at RT next year and Diehl back at LT.

I mean we are losing people no matter who the coach is next year due to FA and cap issues. So before I even respond to your blowing the team up - be specific in your examples.

you don't even want to know our record at home...
</p>


Your arguement is a new head coach will make a world of difference. </p>


My arguement is we need an overhaul on the players. </p>


A new head coach <u>can</u> make a difference, but it won't change the flat and uninspired play from the players. </p>


Hence the word can, will it, I highly doubt it. </p>

u said blow it up - so who do u want gone.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:42 PM
i think we made all our points. but you sound like a tc hater matt. so does mh, and i dont think its warranted. he deserves respect and class, like hes shown his players and us fans for over 8 years


i gues that means ny06 must sound like a TC despiser since hes wanted him gone since 09
if you cant see the difference in HOW ny is approaching the subject as opposed to you, i dont know what to tell ya buddy. wanting tc gone has nothing to do with it. iv even said "maybe his time IS up" today.

JPizzack
12-01-2011, 01:42 PM
I said this yesterday, but I just want to mention it again....
I don't hate Tom Coughlin. Quite the opposite.
But he's reached the end of his career here. You can blame his style, or blame his methods, or maybe his overall control.
He lost this team so long ago, that we've just been trying to break even at this point.

You can obviously say that there are mistakes. Coughlin can't make an RB hold onto the ball. He can't haul in tipped passes. But what he can do is make the players not give a **** after the first 6 games have already been played.

I forget who said it the other day:
"a coach's job isnt to be a cheerleader! it isnt his job to motivate players"

ummm are you ****ing serious?! A bunch of rich entitled a-holes who think they are the best of the best? You bet your *** it's the coaches job to keep all those ****ers in check!!

The owners fluff these players, tell them theyre the best, and the coachesbring them backdown to earthand tell them they can do better!! That's how it ****ing works. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know jack**** about sports, period.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:43 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"


actually HArry Carson is actually agreeing with me more so.

You and NY seem to think that because im saying something about Coughlin this week having to go that it erases everything i've said about the players all season - which is ******ed

Harry Carson in his quote acknowledges that he played in a DIFFERENT ERA. **** ain't like it was back then anywhere. Its a different player in the NFL today, i would hope u don't argue that.

Hence why TC is also outdated and you bringing up what he did with the Jags in 1995 just has no merit in this argument

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:44 PM
<u>and the beauty of my San Fran debate is that its pretty much the same exact team as it was last year.</u> Harbough is the difference maker and I know if u admit that it would destroy your whole argument so u won't, but its the truth

and stop saying they havne't played anybody - its stupid at this point. Cowboys, Eagles, Bengals, and Baltimore


bengals, cowboys and eagles are good??? id say decent at best. baltimore beat them.

the beauty? how about i start naming all the coaches who have failed with a brand new teams. lol its amusing how you think someones going to walk in here and were magically going to start winning. gilbrides been with eli his WHOLE carreer. if you dont think a new staff is going to set eli back a bit next season youre ****ing nuts.



lol one team is winning their division and the other is a 7 win team thats in the playoffs and just happen to play in the hardest division its football

apparently not only do u not watch the giants but u don't know naything else thats going on in the league either.

Baltimore is a top team in the AFC.

Okay once u give me that lits, you can leave the ones out that didn't inherit talent and got a ****ty team. I could name you PLENTY of teams that got new coaches that had talented teams and were successful
so because the cowboys are winning the division, theyre good? who have the cowboys beat. give me break. i didnt say balt was decent, i said they beat your 9ers. twisting woords again.


okay dezz - so then do me a favor, list me who all the good teams are in the league to where u'd give props to somebody for winning, im dying to hear
i think it would be much easier if you listed the good teams the cowboys have beat lol


well by your own theory then that must mean TC REALLY sucks because hes 18-37 vs good teams as Giants HC... thanks for that
still got us to the playoffs 5 years out of 8.

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:45 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</P>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </P>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </P>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </P>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </P>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </P>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</P>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </P>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </P>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </P>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</P>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</P>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</P>


</P>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</P>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</P>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </P>


Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </P>




yea i got my info from the same website that u did that said they never quit. Glad you were on top of that. I actually inquire about other teams and try to get as much knowledge on football year round. Not going to turn this into a comparison, but what gives you more of a right to make a statement like that than i do? I'd guarantee that i follow the NFL in a more broad way than you do

i don't watch the yankees as much as u guys because baseball puts me to sleep. Big difference
</P>


You're not going to turn this into a comparison arguement, but in the same sentence you say you follow the nfl in a broad way more then me? </P>


Please explain to me how the 49ers quit? I would love to hear this. </P>


</P>




Explain to me how they showed heart as well and DIDNT quit.

That team didn't play for Singletary and it showed - hence why they are doing good right now

I mean if i throw stats at you wouldn't that just mean im being a stat ***** and play into the whole thing?

How bout the dramatically increased play of the team form coach to coach. How bout the players saying they are happy Singletary was fired?

I mean what kind of examples do you want.

And hey man you went there by trying to make some comment about me not watching the yankees - its because i don't care about baseball really. Its a snoozing sport. 3.5 hours of watching a guy throw a ball to another guy and occasional people will run.

And I would def say that I generally have a grasp on most teams in the nfl year round because all i do is read nfl based articles and listen to Sirus NFL radio most of my days at work.
</P>


My comment on watching the Yankee games is true? Is it not. So if you take offense to that statement then watch the boring games. I am in no means trying to insult your fan hood. </P>


Happy a coach is gone, is not the same thing as quitting. Players didn't like to play for Mike Singletary was he was to old school, yelling at players, questioning there effort. </P>


Today's nfl players are babies, God forbid you tell it how it is. They get paid far to much, and they know a coach will get fired before a player. </P>


The 49ers are playing well because first Alex Smith is playing turnover free football, they are moving the chains when they have to. And there defense is playing some damn good football. A recipe for winning. Is that all credit to Harbaugh? Maybe or maybe the 49ers got the right players, and they are beating the teams they should beat. </P>


</P>

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:46 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"


actually HArry Carson is actually agreeing with me more so.

You and NY seem to think that because im saying something about Coughlin this week having to go that it erases everything i've said about the players all season - which is ******ed

Harry Carson in his quote acknowledges that he played in a DIFFERENT ERA. **** ain't like it was back then anywhere. Its a different player in the NFL today, i would hope u don't argue that.

Hence why TC is also outdated and you bringing up what he did with the Jags in 1995 just has no merit in this argument
youve lost it. lol seriously.

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 01:47 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>

thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
We have gone thru the same end of season stuff for 2+ season's now. We got Fewell after Spags left. I have no idea what the organization is going to do, but what if they do not make any changes to the coaching staff?


then would anybody expect anything else but the same **** as the past few years...

again i am all premising this on not making the playoffs... if we make the playoffs and make the run i say give him next year too
Of course if we make a run, all is good again. lol. If we don't make playoff's and nothing changes, this is going to become very frustrating. It would indicate to me that the org is settling for mediocrity. I cannot understand that.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:47 PM
i think we made all our points. but you sound like a tc hater matt. so does mh, and i dont think its warranted. he deserves respect and class, like hes shown his players and us fans for over 8 years


i gues that means ny06 must sound like a TC despiser since hes wanted him gone since 09
if you cant see the difference in HOW ny is approaching the subject as opposed to you, i dont know what to tell ya buddy. wanting tc gone has nothing to do with it. iv even said "maybe his time IS up" today.


in your eyes, how is it different

ny06
12-01-2011, 01:48 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</P>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </P>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </P>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </P>


</P>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</P>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </P>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </P>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </P>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </P>




So then what are you arguing with me about, because your completely losing me. You've tried to say im not blaming the players at all and I've pointed out to you thats not the case numerous times now.

If your mistaking me saying we have the talent now and can win with these guys as me not putting blame on the players for their performance, well then your just mistaken. We don't need to BLOW the team up. Get rid of Osi and Jacobs, okay - but beyond that who do you think REALLY needs to go? McKenzie? I can go wtih that. I would like to see Beatty at RT next year and Diehl back at LT.

I mean we are losing people no matter who the coach is next year due to FA and cap issues. So before I even respond to your blowing the team up - be specific in your examples.

you don't even want to know our record at home...
</P>


Your arguement is a new head coach will make a world of difference. </P>


My arguement is we need an overhaul on the players. </P>


A new head coach <U>can</U> make a difference, but it won't change the flat and uninspired play from the players. </P>


Hence the word can, will it, I highly doubt it. </P>




u said blow it up - so who do u want gone.


</P>


I am not a general manager. </P>


I want guys who give all effort, players who want to win, no excuses. When they put the Giants uniform on the feel an obligation to give it there all. </P>


This franchise has seen some really bad teams, but they gave it there all. You can never question the teams of the past if they did not leave it all on the field. This team for the past few years you can. </P>

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 01:48 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"


actually HArry Carson is actually agreeing with me more so.

You and NY seem to think that because im saying something about Coughlin this week having to go that it erases everything i've said about the players all season - which is ******ed

Harry Carson in his quote acknowledges that he played in a DIFFERENT ERA. **** ain't like it was back then anywhere. Its a different player in the NFL today, i would hope u don't argue that.

Hence why TC is also outdated and you bringing up what he did with the Jags in 1995 just has no merit in this argument
youve lost it. lol seriously.
I read Harry's article yesterday. I think he's has an accurate picture of what's going on.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:49 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"


actually HArry Carson is actually agreeing with me more so.

You and NY seem to think that because im saying something about Coughlin this week having to go that it erases everything i've said about the players all season - which is ******ed

Harry Carson in his quote acknowledges that he played in a DIFFERENT ERA. **** ain't like it was back then anywhere. Its a different player in the NFL today, i would hope u don't argue that.

Hence why TC is also outdated and you bringing up what he did with the Jags in 1995 just has no merit in this argument
youve lost it. lol seriously.


he said in his day this shouldn't wouldn't stand

its no where near what his day was...

these guys don't have the same mentality - which is why finding a coach to keep your players motivated is even more relevent in todays game

Kase-1
12-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Break Yo Self Fooo!!!!!

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dezzzR
12-01-2011, 01:53 PM
it comes down to this dez: if 2007 never happened u would be calling for his head

The biggest thing about that playoff run was Eli playing good football, the running game being dominate, and the defensive mastermind of Spags shutting down the top 3 offenses in the league that year in crunch time.

Hes been embarressed in the playoffs twice and lost a close one....

The team can't beat anybody good for his whole tenure, he averages beating teams with winning records 1 out of every 3 tries.

You blame game planning and and concepts on the DCs, but Gilbrides his guy, he had a saw in Fewell, and he is suppose to oversee all of that.

Bottom line is that the HC oversees the whole thing and the whole thing has been underproducing. There needs to be a change
</p>


If 2007 never happened Tom Coughlin would have been fired, so that conversation is moot. </p>


Tom Coughlin deserves much of the blame, but it's time that the players accept alot of blame as well. </p>


I am tired of seeing players half *** it out there, not knowing there assignments, just giving up on more then one occasion. </p>


I have said this for years now, this team is weak minded, you hit them in the mouth, and they break down. There is no fight in them. Everyone is out for themselves. </p>


A coaching change needs to be made, and some of the dead weight on this roster needs to go. </p>




thats the part of the argument i hate: when are the players going to get some of the blame?

Like, i don't get it - EVERY WEEK we are critiquing their play and **** they do. When have we NOT blamed the players?

Naturally players will be gone next year and naturally with a coaching change, other players will be gone as well
</p>


Critiquing there play is what fans do, but your missing the point. This same old b.s of playing lazy and not giving it there all has been going on since 09. Can you say in all honesty thats not the players fault? A coaches job is to put there players in the best situation to win. The player has to execute and give it there all. There have been far too many times the players have just went through the motions. </p>


If you think a new coaching change will get these guys back to playing with fire your sadly mistaken. There is a thing going around in that locker-room, and it's time to cut it out. I want guys who want to play for the NY Giants, they give it there all every play, every game. </p>


What did Canty say after the Saint game? "we can't be ourselves up after this game" Are you kidding me? The players on defense should feel ashamed on there performance, they should look for blood. They should say this is not acceptable, we need to work hard and get back to Giant football. </p>




Okay and that doesn't SCREAM head coach to you? I think its the players to a degree, but we've past that point now. There have been far too many times we've been outcoached too. Preperation and getting your teams mind right is also something coaches have to do as a whole.

I disagree. Fires need to be lit under their *** and Coughlin cna't do it anymore. A BIG part of coaching is motivating your players - something TC can't do. I bet you would of made the same case about San Francisco last year and a new coach has completely turned over that place and got the most out of its players....

and not for nothing I disagree that Coughlin does a good job with putting his players in the best situations.

Theres obviously a lack of emotion in the locker room and lets be real, your probably reading WAYY too much into this. If i was a betting man i would doubt that Canty meant it in the way ur suggesting, but more in a we can't get down on ourselves type thing.


</p>


I can throw out your San fran arguement with one word. Quitters...</p>


They have no quitters on that team, we do...</p>


</p>




LOL WHATTTT?!

You apparently didn't wathc them too much these past few years. Those teams ABSOLUTELY quit on Nolan and Singletary.

Its the SAME exact team that GOT singletary FIRED!!!!
</p>


How do you know they quit on those 2 coaches?</p>


Are you getting that from the highlights on espn? </p>


<u>Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </u></p>ohhhhhww yessss....
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/315701_o.gif

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 01:54 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


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no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>harry carson agrees with you ny
""the only thing i can say is im glad i played during an era where defense was at a premium and guys played with pride. not that we were great all the time, but we played with heart. and we didnt just talk about it, we tried to do something about it"


actually HArry Carson is actually agreeing with me more so.

You and NY seem to think that because im saying something about Coughlin this week having to go that it erases everything i've said about the players all season - which is ******ed

Harry Carson in his quote acknowledges that he played in a DIFFERENT ERA. **** ain't like it was back then anywhere. Its a different player in the NFL today, i would hope u don't argue that.

Hence why TC is also outdated and you bringing up what he did with the Jags in 1995 just has no merit in this argument
youve lost it. lol seriously.
I read Harry's article yesterday. I think he's has an accurate picture of what's going on.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:55 PM
and I disagree that what we do to the players every week is any differnet than the treatment coughlin is getting now....

critiquing players by saying they should be benched, cut, traded, or let them walk is all the equivalent of firing a coach
</p>


Let's blame Coughlin for the dropped passes, or the miss assingments, hell let's blame Coughlin for the defense for sleepwalking in the Saint game. </p>


Tom Coughlin's time is up, I have said that since 09. I think he is a great coach, but it's time the players have a new leader. </p>


But you make it out like the players are only doing what there coaches tell them to do. No blame should go to them. I disagree, these players have made countless mistakes, and you have to question do they even care at this point. </p>


</p>




no, lets blame him for bad gameplanning, lack of preperation by players, lack of disciplin by players (it was suppose to be the biggest thing about him), his lack of bringing along young players, his lack of willingness to use young talent,.

How you could get that from my argument is baffling. As somebody that is in thee thread every week and you literally see me shred players constantly , it makes no sense for u to say i don't put blame on the players.

A new coach can make a world of difference
</p>


I never once discounted the bad coaching Coughlin and staff have produced over the last few years. I still think he is a good coach, you don't coach for this long not to be good. The game has passed him, we as fans know that. He is loyal to a fault with his assitants. We have no in-game adjustments, we have been outcoached on numerous occasions. </p>


My arguement is the players accept as much blame as Coughlin. Time and time again this team seems flat, say that is coaching, but when does the players say, we look like **** out here, let's play hard, give it all we got. That's not the case the past 3 seasons. </p>


You ask me I want this team blown up, time to rebuild, it will suck but it's time. We have alot of players who are just collecting a check. </p>


And what has happened to home field advantage? I prefer this team to play on the road. When they play at home in front of 80+ thousand fans, they play like beaten men. </p>




So then what are you arguing with me about, because your completely losing me. You've tried to say im not blaming the players at all and I've pointed out to you thats not the case numerous times now.

If your mistaking me saying we have the talent now and can win with these guys as me not putting blame on the players for their performance, well then your just mistaken. We don't need to BLOW the team up. Get rid of Osi and Jacobs, okay - but beyond that who do you think REALLY needs to go? McKenzie? I can go wtih that. I would like to see Beatty at RT next year and Diehl back at LT.

I mean we are losing people no matter who the coach is next year due to FA and cap issues. So before I even respond to your blowing the team up - be specific in your examples.

you don't even want to know our record at home...
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Your arguement is a new head coach will make a world of difference. </p>


My arguement is we need an overhaul on the players. </p>


A new head coach <u>can</u> make a difference, but it won't change the flat and uninspired play from the players. </p>


Hence the word can, will it, I highly doubt it. </p>




u said blow it up - so who do u want gone.


</p>


I am not a general manager. </p>


I want guys who give all effort, players who want to win, no excuses. When they put the Giants uniform on the feel an obligation to give it there all. </p>


This franchise has seen some really bad teams, but they gave it there all. You can never question the teams of the past if they did not leave it all on the field. This team for the past few years you can. </p>

okay but you have had no problem saying that the 49ers have or haven't quit and that our guys have and u watch them. Its your opinion that players need to go but if you can't give examples or ideas and just a general theory of where the issue is then really what are u debating about?

And what does blow up mean to you. I mean if yous suggesting the typical turnover, but we lose McKenzie, Jacobs, and Osi - i can agree those are things tha tneed to happen but I don't think that those moves would equate to us BLOWING it all up.

We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him. Doubtful we resign T2 unless his contract demands come down. McKenzie has regressed and his contract is up so hes probably gone. A good chance Osi is gone but I doubt it. I think Jacobs is gone. Ross will probably be gone. Goff is on the fence

I mean other than that who else do u think should go or do u see thats going to go? Goff

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 01:56 PM
Giants LB Mark Herzlich (ankle) has been ruled out for Week 13.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 01:58 PM
...MAYBE cutting Canty?

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 02:00 PM
Giants LB Mark Herzlich (ankle) has been ruled out for Week 13.

thats one thing I can kill Reese for too

not that there was any draft picks or any situation that we should of dumped a ton of money at - but Stephen Tulloch should of been a Giant this year - bottom line...

That was inexcusable. We could of basically got him at a Kawika Mitchell type situation

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 02:04 PM
7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract. The deal
contains $11.5 million guaranteed, including an $8.5 million signing
bonus, all of Baas' first-year salary, and $2 million of his second-year
salary. Annual $250,000 workout bonuses are available in years two
through five. 2011: $1 million, 2012: $3 million, 2013: $4.25 million,
2014: $4.75 million, 2015: $5 million, 2016: Free Agent


thats David Baas

I get confused with contract **** but I think this basically means that after next year we can get out of it with minimum hits

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:04 PM
I forget who said it the other day:
"a coach's job isnt to be a cheerleader! it isnt his job to motivate players"


Players play, Coaches coach and cheerleaders cheer.


It's actually from a Lil Wayne rap. lol

Kase-1
12-01-2011, 02:05 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 02:06 PM
Break Yo Self Fooo!!!!!

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[Y] sMOKEY

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 02:07 PM
I forget who said it the other day:
"a coach's job isnt to be a cheerleader! it isnt his job to motivate players"


Players play, Coaches coach and cheerleaders cheer.


It's actually from a Lil Wayne rap. lol
lmao i love you pizz

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 02:09 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over
BLASPHEMY!!!!

ny06
12-01-2011, 02:14 PM
...MAYBE cutting Canty?
</P>


Well that all depends on what the Giants do in the off-season. </P>


Bernard is sure as gone, so that just leaves, Canty, Austin and Joseph. We need another d-tackle if we decide to let Canty go. I can't really knock his play, he was moved into a whole new position, and paid like an all-pro. Soo he was destined to look like a failure. </P>


Our o-line needs a face lift, we have guys who are just not getting the job done. Snee is high on my **** list, for the sole reason he is a great guard in this league, and now he sucks. Is it for the reason he is playing with a new center? Because I have seen far to many times him getting beat off the ball.</P>


Baas has been nothing but a dissapoitment. I think it doesn't matter if you put him at guard or center, he is not cut out to be in the nfc east. Diehl who I like, is just not playing well at guard, he is back at tackle, but he has major issues with speed rushers. </P>


Beatty has played well, but can we really feel that he is the left tackle of the future?</P>


And what about linebackers? We have some good young talent, but can they contribute enough to not have to sign or draft a free agent? </P>


Boley was playing great this year, and Goff was coming into his own, but is he the awnser for the mike linebacker? </P>


Ross is most likely gone, and Webster who I am a fan of is way over paid. </P>


If we lose Thomas that will Hurt, cause who do we really have other then Prince and Webster? </P>


Now we look at our strongest unit, defensive ends. Tuck seems to have his head in the clouds, and is more concerned about getting hurt then hurting the opponent, Osi want's out, and the Giants will never pay him what he wants. JPP is a stud, and is the future of this team. Kiwi who I think is playing well as a linebacker, should be back on the line. He is best used when he is attacking the qb. </P>


</P>

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 02:14 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over
I hate Djax.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 02:16 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over


na he'll cost more than Mario

i think hes gonna be a redskin if i had to take a shot in the dark

Kase-1
12-01-2011, 02:24 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over
BLASPHEMY!!!!
OK before I get run out of town, let me plead my case....

This clown HATES how the iggles treated him in the offseason, rather than inking him up they get a WR from their #1 rival who's only 90miles away. He has all but said he cant stand the iggles, and looking from the outside in that team looks about ready to implode.

Back to D-bag Jackson, I know the guy is a total idiot and a reckless bafoon at times, but his on the field value alone would be immense. We all know the potency of his return game, hell we plan our ST around NOT kicking to him. Other than Hester, he's probably the sickest return man out there (patrick peterson is making a run though)

We could channel our screens and slants his way to totally utulize his speed, cmon the guy is as talented as he is a ******, LOL

What better way to get back at the iggles than go to the Giants, showing philthy they f'd up with smith and kick the crap out of the iggles 2x per year

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:24 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Vikings are set to release QB Donovan McNabb on Thursday.

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:25 PM
<u>Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </u>ohhhhhww yessss....
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/315701_o.gif

LMAO, that Gif is awesome!!!!!!!!

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:27 PM
<div class="report">


Mario Manningham conceded Thursday that his season could be in jeopardy due to a swollen knee that feels "weak and not stable."</p>
</div>

Manningham revealed that there are "things
floating" in his knee, and he could eventually need surgery. Asked if
the injury would be season-ending in nature, Manningham replied, "I
don't know. We'll have to see." Don't expect him to play against the
Packers this week.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

We're done

Kase-1
12-01-2011, 02:27 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over


na he'll cost more than Mario

i think hes gonna be a redskin if i had to take a shot in the dark
I can def see them making a play for him and/or Manningham

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 02:28 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Vikings are set to release QB Donovan McNabb on Thursday.</P>


Gotta believe he'd end up in Houston or Chicago. Probably Chicago.</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:29 PM
We're going to lose Manningham because somebody is going to pay him.
If Manningham leaves, I want JReese throwing bags of money at this f'n d-bag

http://www.atlantablogspot.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/65752_desean-jackson.jpg

Im tired of him singlehandedly beating us over and over

You can't be serious Kase?

This is the last guy I would ever want in Giants blue on the planet.

Not only that but JR would never do that so I"m safe. lol

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 02:30 PM
...MAYBE cutting Canty?
</p>


Well that all depends on what the Giants do in the off-season. </p>


Bernard is sure as gone, so that just leaves, Canty, Austin and Joseph. We need another d-tackle if we decide to let Canty go. I can't really knock his play, he was moved into a whole new position, and paid like an all-pro. Soo he was destined to look like a failure. </p>


Our o-line needs a face lift, we have guys who are just not getting the job done. Snee is high on my **** list, for the sole reason he is a great guard in this league, and now he sucks. Is it for the reason he is playing with a new center? Because I have seen far to many times him getting beat off the ball.</p>


Baas has been nothing but a dissapoitment. I think it doesn't matter if you put him at guard or center, he is not cut out to be in the nfc east. Diehl who I like, is just not playing well at guard, he is back at tackle, but he has major issues with speed rushers. </p>


Beatty has played well, but can we really feel that he is the left tackle of the future?</p>


And what about linebackers? We have some good young talent, but can they contribute enough to not have to sign or draft a free agent? </p>


Boley was playing great this year, and Goff was coming into his own, but is he the awnser for the mike linebacker? </p>


Ross is most likely gone, and Webster who I am a fan of is way over paid. </p>


If we loose Thomas that will Hurt, cause who do we really have other then Prince and Webster? </p>


Now we look at our strongest unit, defensive ends. Tuck seems to have his head in the clouds, and is more concerned about getting hurt then hurting the opponent, Ois want's out, and the Giants will never pay him what he wants. JPP is a stud, as is the future of this team. Kiwi who I think is playing well as a linebacker, should be back on the line. He is best used when he is attacking the qb. </p>


</p>

i dont think Bernard is as much of a lock as ur suggesting. We got him back at a good price and he has played pretty good this year. Decent bang for the buck. We're the giants man lol, we're always ready to draft or sign a defensive lineman!

I think OLine is going to be a tight situation. Im not sure we will be able to afford to cut Baas this year. Diehl and Snee are definitly staying. Beatty will be back next year, figure we're going to try move him to RT (Thats my guess). We're def going to have at least ONE new person as a starter next year, I can't see us resigning McKenzie. Hes regressed too much and we need to get younger. I just don't think theres any way we have a COMPLETE overhaul right in front. I say McKenzie is gone and thats it, with Beatty being the wild card.

Well that really depends on alot of things though. Do we really get rid of Osi? If we do, do we move Kiwi back to DE? Do we re-sign goff? I mean we have YOUNG LBers, I can't see us not putting some more faith into them next year. JWill has played pretty decent for us this year. Herzlich and Jones have shown flashes.

I think Goff would of been a beast if he came back this year. It really depends on his injury and what money hes looking for.

See I dont see ANYTHING happening to Webster. ESPECIALLY if we both agree that T2 and Ross won't be back. I mean that just leaves Webster and Prince. I don't think hes as overpaid as you probably do. Corners get dough man.

I got it on good authority that T2 is asking for a similiar contract that Webster has, maybe a step below. I just can't see the Giants doing that with him coming off the injury. I mean Webster got that contract after what he did in 07 and 08 as a young player who has been pretty healthy.


I don't get this tuck stuff either. Its very simple to me - he isn't healthy. It may not be no slipped disc or torn hamstring, but the combination of the both are just preventing him from being the physical freak he is. Just because its not completely serious doesn't mean that it doesn't hamper his play dramatically. I mean im in iwth some guys in TAGF right now calling Tuck a *****. Like WTF?! REALLY?! The dude played with a torn labrum in his shoulder for a WHOLE YEAR AND DIDNT MISS A GAME?! Doesn't he deserve a lil understanding, especially with the year he had last year.

MattMeyerBud
12-01-2011, 02:31 PM
<div class="report">


Mario Manningham conceded Thursday that his season could be in jeopardy due to a swollen knee that feels "weak and not stable."</p>
</div>

Manningham revealed that there are "things
floating" in his knee, and he could eventually need surgery. Asked if
the injury would be season-ending in nature, Manningham replied, "I
don't know. We'll have to see." Don't expect him to play against the
Packers this week.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

We're done


it would hurt

but may help resign him next year lol

Kase-1
12-01-2011, 02:32 PM
<div class="report">


Mario Manningham conceded Thursday that his season could be in jeopardy due to a swollen knee that feels "weak and not stable."</p>
</div>

Manningham revealed that there are "things
floating" in his knee, and he could eventually need surgery. Asked if
the injury would be season-ending in nature, Manningham replied, "I
don't know. We'll have to see." Don't expect him to play against the
Packers this week.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

We're done
Time for 'King' Ramses Barden....... And double the amount of Jameson

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 02:33 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Vikings are set to release QB Donovan McNabb on Thursday.</p>


Gotta believe he'd end up in Houston or Chicago. Probably Chicago.</p>maybe its just me, but if i was in charge of the vikings, i dont care if we are 0-10, im not letting the bears land mcnabb. seems silly to let him go.

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 02:36 PM
<div class="report">


Mario Manningham conceded Thursday that his season could be in jeopardy due to a swollen knee that feels "weak and not stable."</p>
</div>

Manningham revealed that there are "things
floating" in his knee, and he could eventually need surgery. Asked if
the injury would be season-ending in nature, Manningham replied, "I
don't know. We'll have to see." Don't expect him to play against the
Packers this week.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

We're done


it would hurt

but may help resign him next year lol
very true.

Morehead State
12-01-2011, 02:36 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Vikings are set to release QB Donovan McNabb on Thursday.</P>


Gotta believe he'd end up in Houston or Chicago. Probably Chicago.</P>


maybe its just me, but if i was in charge of the vikings, i dont care if we are 0-10, im not letting the bears land mcnabb. seems silly to let him go.
</P>


Why? Their season is over and it would obviously be for only this season.</P>

bigblue4417
12-01-2011, 02:36 PM
<div class="report">


Mario Manningham conceded Thursday that his season could be in jeopardy due to a swollen knee that feels "weak and not stable."</p>
</div>

Manningham revealed that there are "things
floating" in his knee, and he could eventually need surgery. Asked if
the injury would be season-ending in nature, Manningham replied, "I
don't know. We'll have to see." Don't expect him to play against the
Packers this week.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!

We're done
Time for 'King' Ramses Barden....... And double the amount of Jameson

Cheers

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t219/zoomkobe/Giants-2.jpg

dezzzR
12-01-2011, 02:38 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Vikings are set to release QB Donovan McNabb on Thursday.</p>


Gotta believe he'd end up in Houston or Chicago. Probably Chicago.</p>


maybe its just me, but if i was in charge of the vikings, i dont care if we are 0-10, im not letting the bears land mcnabb. seems silly to let him go.
</p>


Why? Their season is over and it would obviously be for only this season.</p> anything to hurt my division rivals chances.

lttaylor56
12-01-2011, 02:42 PM
<u>Don't tell me you watch all there games during those head coaches tenure, you can't even watch the Yankees during the regular season. </u>ohhhhhww yessss....
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/315701_o.gif

LMAO, that Gif is awesome!!!!!!!!
Is that the guy from Waterboy? haha