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Kase-1
02-16-2012, 03:29 PM
Well no **** Kase. lol You live in NY and it's the NY Rangers. I would expect them to put it on. Any city that doesn't have a hockey team will not be showing Hockey on any of their TV's. Why you may ask....cause no one gives a ****!
By that reasoning any city that doesnt have a basketball team wouldnt show a hoops game.

Your care package is gonna be on the way right after we get these SB Programs, me, Ed and Bennett are taking a trip to the dollar store in an hr or so

Exactly my point my good friend. They will show BBall from any other city or state because it's popular nationwide. Thank you for proving mine and Matt's point. Holler at me when they start showing NHL games on ESPN or TNT in primetime. 1 nationally televised game a week? C'Mon Maaaaaaan


Thank you very much for the care package. As you know it means alot to me. I really do appreciate it and if you need reimbursement for postage please let me know.
NHL on NATIONWIDE on NBCSports (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30092015/ns/sports/) more nights than NBA on TNT in addition to 1 game per week on NBC while NBA has 1 game on ABC per week

I really hope I can find these dollar store programs cause you'll def get one. You're my boy and I gotta let you get some Giants stuff cause its tough out there in SLC

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:30 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:30 PM
I really hope I can find these dollar store programs cause you'll def get one. You're my boy and I gotta let you get some Giants stuff cause its tough out there in SLC

Tough?! lol Try impossible. Everything I get is online. EVERYTHING

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 03:31 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 03:32 PM
I really hope I can find these dollar store programs cause you'll def get one. You're my boy and I gotta let you get some Giants stuff cause its tough out there in SLC

Tough?! lol Try impossible. Everything I get is online. EVERYTHING
Except that jacket that my neighbor had for 6months LOL

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MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:33 PM
yea but the fact remains that NBA has 4 more NBA franchises, bigger stadiums, and bigger crowds

/end game
4 more Franchises that cant sellout, bigger arenas that are empty and bigger crowds that arent filling the seats


they average more people per game and only ONE NHL team sells out every night, while two NBA teams sell out every night on average regardless of where they play.
More people cause there's more seats
More NHL teams can support strong home fanbases while NBA teams have better road followings


Not if u take out the Canadian franchises
If you take out the Canadian teams there are still more NHL teams that sell out on a consistent basis



http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2011/sort/allPct

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2011/sort/allPct

the truth will set you free
The NHL would still have more teams (Chicago, Philthy, SJ, DC, STL, Boston, Pittsburgh) compared to the NBA (Dallas, Chicago, Portland, Orlando, Miami, Boston)

The NHL also has 4 teams that sellout 99% of their games compared to the NBAs 3


bottom line is that overall both leagues don't sell out overall and can sell more tickets if they had the fan base and the NBA still outdraws the NHL


Bottom line is that the NBA cant stand up to the NHL in selling out and maintaining strong fanbases. If they had the fanbases of the NFL we'd both be screwed as fans, then again thatll never happen cause NBA and NHL have 82 game seasons


I see rex is back making ridic statements
Nah I gotta say the most ridiculous statement was saying that the nation doesnt care about hockey, cause it plain and simple isnt true


its actually quite true

hockey towns care about hockey - thats about it...
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'


the country loves basketball and the NBA

Its clear that that isn't the case for NHL

As much as we hate ESPN and sportscenter and what its become, it is all about the most pop things. Go watch an hour of Sportscenter and tell me how much love Hockey gets over hoops

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 03:34 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.
Cmon we all know ESPN sucks, especially when their network doesnt have an NHL contract like they (ABC Networks) do with Baseball, Basketball, and Football

Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:34 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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well if thats your argument then I guess Hockey fans aren't as diehard as you suggest.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:35 PM
the truth is that nobody really cares throughout the whole country



See ridiculous generalized statements like that make this argument go on WAY too long

I believe this to be true as well Kase. General statement or not. If we are going with majority it's true.
And if we're going with general statements, there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns' so then Nationwide hockey has a bigger following
lol there aren't more HOCKEY towns...

like I pointed out before, NBA has 29 different american teams and NHL has 25

the country follows basketball not nhl...

we can poll the average sports fan and see their general knowledge of NBA vs NHL

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 03:35 PM
OK my argument is on hold, Pappy keep it up and dont let Matt win this one, LOL

Im out for now, time to see if these Super Bowl 46 programs at the Dollar Tree are a reality, they were mentioned in a thread the other day and Im going out to see whats good. Ill keep all of ya posted

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:37 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>For someone that doesnt watch sports at all its probably easier to watch basketball on TV, yes they may be bored to sleep but its easier to follow the ball.

Hockey really needs a TV angle from over the ice similar to how the NFL has that camera floating around behind the QB


basketball in general is highly more liked game than hockey

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:39 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.


Its simple - if it was as exciting as some think it is, it would do better.

ANd your in NEW YORK, ANYTHING is on ANYWHERE.

IF anything the fact that Lando has never seen a hockey game on in a sports bar should pretty much prove how nationally nobody cares about hockey...

you step out of hockey towns - ur going to be hard pressed to catch a puck game on TV...

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 03:40 PM
lmao</P>


http://i.imgur.com/m0Kkn.jpg</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:40 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
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That may be what you are saying Lando, buts its not what Matt is saying. It was yesterday that Matt made the point that hockey is "boring" BECAUSE its less popular than the other 3 sports.</p>


Thats where this discussion started. </p>

Reverse that

and its boring in comparison to the other sports...

I have been to hockey games as well and prefer them on TV.

But to be honest, I think that about any sport except for maybe basketball

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:40 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions



In this case it does.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:41 PM
I really hope I can find these dollar store programs cause you'll def get one. You're my boy and I gotta let you get some Giants stuff cause its tough out there in SLC

Tough?! lol Try impossible. Everything I get is online. EVERYTHING
Except that jacket that my neighbor had for 6months LOL

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Still one of the greatest stories ever...

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:42 PM
TV Ratings Show America Still Likes Basketball More ThanHockey
<p class="byline">Apr 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT </p>


Sure, it's a far cry from a few years ago, when hockey wasn't even on America's radar, but the NBA still dominates the NHL when it comes to TV ratings. John Ourand from Sports Business Journal has thestaggering (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525235716)numbers (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525494871):</p>
<blockquote>


NBA playoff ratings dominate. TNT's SAS/DAL Sun was cable's most watched sports event (2.86M homes) followed by ESPN's MIA/BOS Sat (2.84M).</p>


<span class="status-body"><span class="status-content"><span class="entry-content">NBA rates even with late starts. TNT's POR/PHO Sun (2.25M homes) and ESPN's J***-DEN Sat (2.18M) were in cable's top 70 with 11p starts.</span></span></span></p></blockquote>


On the other hand, the highest-rated NHL telecast (last Saturday's Capitals-Canadiens tilt),reached (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525737986)just 549,000 homes, according to Ourand. Not bad, but not anywhere close to the NBA. (Note: Obviously, this doesn't include the local broadcasts).</p>



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The Nugs and J*** had 4 times more viewers nationally. LMAO!!!
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2 of the worst teams in the NBA vs one of the most popular hockey teams and Ovechkin a star.
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Lando.....<font size="5">HOCKEY IS NOT GREAT ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font></p>


How many times do I have to say it? Continuing to say things that prove my point doesn't offer up anything new.</p>


Hockey is a live sport. Hockey is a GREAT live sport. Far better than basketball.</p>

hate to break it to u but still too many empty seats in hockey arenas to even accept that answer.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:45 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that


Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:46 PM
Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players

Henry Lundquist
Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Temu Salami
Tim Thomas, but only cause I heard his name so much last year.
I know there is a good guy in Tampa but I can't remember his name.

That's about all I got. lol

And I am being dead ****ing serious.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:46 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>

You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:47 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


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Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.
Im going to the bar tonight to watch the Rangers vs Blackhawks and they play it on almost EVERY TV and also on the projection screen.... Then again I wont lie, its a Football/Hockey bar, the bar even has their own beer league hockey team


your a fan going to a bar in the city of a team that looks to be one of the best temas in the league vs the most popular team in the league

not ur best of examples

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:48 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games




the fact that there were 12 teams that sellout at home and only 1 of those teams sell out on the road says all that you need to know

especially when u realize how many of those teams were canadian

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:49 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:49 PM
TV Ratings Show America Still Likes Basketball More ThanHockey
<p class="byline">Apr 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT </p>


Sure, it's a far cry from a few years ago, when hockey wasn't even on America's radar, but the NBA still dominates the NHL when it comes to TV ratings. John Ourand from Sports Business Journal has thestaggering (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525235716)numbers (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525494871):</p>
<blockquote>


NBA playoff ratings dominate. TNT's SAS/DAL Sun was cable's most watched sports event (2.86M homes) followed by ESPN's MIA/BOS Sat (2.84M).</p>


<span class="status-body"><span class="status-content"><span class="entry-content">NBA rates even with late starts. TNT's POR/PHO Sun (2.25M homes) and ESPN's J***-DEN Sat (2.18M) were in cable's top 70 with 11p starts.</span></span></span></p></blockquote>


On the other hand, the highest-rated NHL telecast (last Saturday's Capitals-Canadiens tilt),reached (http://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/12525737986)just 549,000 homes, according to Ourand. Not bad, but not anywhere close to the NBA. (Note: Obviously, this doesn't include the local broadcasts).</p>



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The Nugs and J*** had 4 times more viewers nationally. LMAO!!!
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2 of the worst teams in the NBA vs one of the most popular hockey teams and Ovechkin a star.
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Lando.....<font size="5">HOCKEY IS NOT GREAT ON TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font></p>


How many times do I have to say it? Continuing to say things that prove my point doesn't offer up anything new.</p>


Hockey is a live sport. Hockey is a GREAT live sport. Far better than basketball.</p>
Kase 1's argument is that hockey is popular nationwide. I am just proving him wrong. Matt and myself say it's irrelevent. No one cares about watching hockey unless they live in an area with a team or grew up following one. People will watch Bball that don't care at all about it. Maybe part of that is society's fault. You think people care about the Kings when the Lakers are doing good? Did people care about the Blackhawks in the 90's when the greatest basketball player ever was winning 6 rings? I don't.

The fact that hockey sucks on TV just bolsters our side more. So no one likes watching hockey so they go to the games. Well the NBA still outdraws the NHL in most cities so whether you are talking about live or TV it still gets trumped. Nationally it's not even close.

I expect Hockey Towns to sell out their games, I don't expect a guy in New Mexico to give 2 ****s about the Stanley Cup Finals let alone a regular season game that's on Sunday on NBC.


lol truth

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:50 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games


</p>


When you quote TV figures, basketball wins. When you quote attendance figures, hockey wins.</p>


Answer: Basketball is better on TV (masses making little effort). Hockey is better live (real fans dedicated enough to go to the games)</p>

where do u get ur numbers from?

attendance figures go to basketball

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 03:50 PM
And think about this.</P>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</P>


AND</P>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</P>




You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
</P>


I honestly can say i was too young to remember the 94 rangers. I do have 2 friends who i recall being very excited about the rangers championship, but to me, the Yankees WS in 96 was more memorable.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:51 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - it won't top the Rangers parade in 94, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:52 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.
Im going to the bar tonight to watch the Rangers vs Blackhawks and they play it on almost EVERY TV and also on the projection screen.... Then again I wont lie, its a Football/Hockey bar, the bar even has their own beer league hockey team

Well no **** Kase. lol You live in NY and it's the NY Rangers. I would expect them to put it on. Any city that doesn't have a hockey team will not be showing Hockey on any of their TV's. Why you may ask....cause no one gives a ****!
By that reasoning any city that doesnt have a basketball team wouldnt show a hoops game.

Your care package is gonna be on the way right after we get these SB Programs, me, Ed and Bennett are taking a trip to the dollar store in an hr or so


lol BUT THEY DO!!! So that pretty much ENDS that debate

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 03:54 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>

You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
i agree with mh, rangers hadnt won the cup since 1940. i was young but i remember it being pretty crazy when they won.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:54 PM
Thanks for playing Kase and MH. Better luck next time.

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MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:55 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better


what happened to your 100% argument? Opening it up to 99% KILLS your argument even more

Because while you have the ADVANTAGE percentage wise, u lose becuase NBA arenas HOLD more people lol. So the 99% means they aren't selling out. So lets get it straight that it means BOTH have more tickets to sell

tthe difference? NBA is sitll selling more tickets even if they are at 99%

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 03:55 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - <u>it won't top the Rangers parade in 94</u>, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96
and if it happened, it wont be because hockey became more "boring"

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:56 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games


</p>


When you quote TV figures, basketball wins. When you quote attendance figures, hockey wins.</p>


Answer: Basketball is better on TV (masses making little effort). Hockey is better live (real fans dedicated enough to go to the games)</p>
When you quote popularity nationwide basketball wins. Another one of the arguments...

Attendance in the hockey region are higher than the rest of the country.
When you quote the attendance of cities with both teams the NHL wins and when you think of the amount of cities in the USA that sellout more games its another win for the NHL

Hoops is cool, but hockey is leaps and bounds above anything cept football


only person that would agree with that is hockey fans

the rest of the country doesnt

Morehead State
02-16-2012, 03:57 PM
And think about this.</P>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</P>


AND</P>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</P>




You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
</P>


I honestly can say i was too young to remember the 94 rangers. I do have 2 friends who i recall being very excited about the rangers championship, but to me, the Yankees WS in 96 was more memorable.</P>


</P>


Maybe the single dumbest posts in the history of posts.</P>


"I was too young to remember the 94 Rangers so the 96 Yankees (who I remember) were more memorable."</P>


This is a Pizzlestick classic.</P>

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 03:57 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.
Im going to the bar tonight to watch the Rangers vs Blackhawks and they play it on almost EVERY TV and also on the projection screen.... Then again I wont lie, its a Football/Hockey bar, the bar even has their own beer league hockey team

Well no **** Kase. lol You live in NY and it's the NY Rangers. I would expect them to put it on. Any city that doesn't have a hockey team will not be showing Hockey on any of their TV's. Why you may ask....cause no one gives a ****!
By that reasoning any city that doesnt have a basketball team wouldnt show a hoops game.

Your care package is gonna be on the way right after we get these SB Programs, me, Ed and Bennett are taking a trip to the dollar store in an hr or so


lol BUT THEY DO!!! So that pretty much ENDS that debate

<font size="5">YAHTZEE!!!!</font>

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MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:57 PM
Well no **** Kase. lol You live in NY and it's the NY Rangers. I would expect them to put it on. Any city that doesn't have a hockey team will not be showing Hockey on any of their TV's. Why you may ask....cause no one gives a ****!
By that reasoning any city that doesnt have a basketball team wouldnt show a hoops game.

Your care package is gonna be on the way right after we get these SB Programs, me, Ed and Bennett are taking a trip to the dollar store in an hr or so

Exactly my point my good friend. They will show BBall from any other city or state because it's popular nationwide. Thank you for proving mine and Matt's point. Holler at me when they start showing NHL games on ESPN or TNT in primetime. 1 nationally televised game a week? C'Mon Maaaaaaan


Thank you very much for the care package. As you know it means alot to me. I really do appreciate it and if you need reimbursement for postage please let me know.
NHL on NATIONWIDE on NBCSports (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30092015/ns/sports/) more nights than NBA on TNT in addition to 1 game per week on NBC while NBA has 1 game on ABC per week

I really hope I can find these dollar store programs cause you'll def get one. You're my boy and I gotta let you get some Giants stuff cause its tough out there in SLC


LoL nice try Kase

NBC Sports just changed over from VERSUS lololololol

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:58 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 03:59 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.
Cmon we all know ESPN sucks, especially when their network doesnt have an NHL contract like they (ABC Networks) do with Baseball, Basketball, and Football

Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players


dude honestly, i knew more hockey players in like 93-96

I really don't think i could name 10

Morehead State
02-16-2012, 04:00 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</P>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:00 PM
Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players

Henry Lundquist
Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Temu Salami
Tim Thomas, but only cause I heard his name so much last year.
I know there is a good guy in Tampa but I can't remember his name.

That's about all I got. lol

And I am being dead ****ing serious.


Teemu Selanne still plays?!?!

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:02 PM
Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players

Henry Lundquist
Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Temu Salami
Tim Thomas, but only cause I heard his name so much last year.
I know there is a good guy in Tampa but I can't remember his name.

That's about all I got. lol

And I am being dead ****ing serious.


Teemu Selanne still plays?!?!

I have no idea. lol

Sean Avery was another one I thought of.

No way I can get to 10. lol

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:02 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 04:03 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.
Cmon we all know ESPN sucks, especially when their network doesnt have an NHL contract like they (ABC Networks) do with Baseball, Basketball, and Football

Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players


dude honestly, i knew more hockey players in like 93-96

I really don't think i could name 10
so whats that say? it supports what kase is saying. its not on mainstream channel. the only time i see a hockey highlight on espn is if it makes the top 10 plays, which is bull****. soccer has more coverage than hockey, its a joke. every major league should have some air time. everything is so commercialized its sickening.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:03 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</p>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</p>
Same arena sizes, same number of games. Don't be a poo in the pants.

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 04:05 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.

Morehead State
02-16-2012, 04:07 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</P>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</P>



Same arena sizes, same number of games. Don't be a poo in the pants.
</P>


Bottom line is that the premise of Matts argument is nonsense. He contended that hockey is "boring" because it doesn't rank in revenues as highly as the other three major sports.</P>


Its anmoronic argument that no one believes but him and "ice soccer" Daven. Another case of Meyerbud and Scrappy alone against the world. And thats affirming to the rest of the world.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:07 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>




You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
</p>


I honestly can say i was too young to remember the 94 rangers. I do have 2 friends who i recall being very excited about the rangers championship, but to me, the Yankees WS in 96 was more memorable.</p>

well lets be honest... im not sure there is a fanbase in teh world that compares to the yankees. Yankes hadn't done **** for 20 years at that point. 96 was insane

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:09 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>

You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
i agree with mh, rangers hadnt won the cup since 1940. i was young but i remember it being pretty crazy when they won.


just googled it...

just over a million at the Rangers parade

ovber 3.5 million at the 96 yankees parade

that was ****ing madness and not even close to comparable

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:12 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - <u>it won't top the Rangers parade in 94</u>, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96
and if it happened, it wont be because hockey became more "boring"


i've made my argument pretty clear, but yet u guys still try to change what i say

Hockey has definitly gotten MORE popular but it is still widely seen as a boring sport. Only hockey towns support hockey (and canada).

**** man go to your local modells. Go see how much ranger **** there is compared to Knicks, Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees

Hockey's popularity is actually on a small decline since 3 years ago (facts are facts)

Maybe not in NEW YORK, but around the country all the numbers suggest it.

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 04:12 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>

You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
i agree with mh, rangers hadnt won the cup since 1940. i was young but i remember it being pretty crazy when they won.


just googled it...

just over a million at the Rangers parade

ovber 3.5 million at the 96 yankees parade

that was ****ing madness and not even close to comparable
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
thats so z100 of you

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:13 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</p>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</p>

thats a pretty ridiculous statement.

Hockey and basketball aren't only ON at the same period of time pretty much BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAMES

dezzzR
02-16-2012, 04:14 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - <u>it won't top the Rangers parade in 94</u>, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96
and if it happened, it wont be because hockey became more "boring"


i've made my argument pretty clear, but yet u guys still try to change what i say

Hockey has definitly gotten MORE popular but it is still widely seen as a boring sport. Only hockey towns support hockey (and canada).

**** man go to your local modells. Go see how much ranger **** there is compared to Knicks, Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees

Hockey's popularity is actually on a small decline since 3 years ago (facts are facts)

Maybe not in NEW YORK, but around the country all the numbers suggest it.
its marketing. if tbs or tnt put on hockey games instead of basketball, ratings and everything else hockey related would go up.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:15 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.
Cmon we all know ESPN sucks, especially when their network doesnt have an NHL contract like they (ABC Networks) do with Baseball, Basketball, and Football

Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players


dude honestly, i knew more hockey players in like 93-96

I really don't think i could name 10
so whats that say? it supports what kase is saying. its not on mainstream channel. the only time i see a hockey highlight on espn is if it makes the top 10 plays, which is bull****. soccer has more coverage than hockey, its a joke. every major league should have some air time. everything is so commercialized its sickening.


THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT KASE IS SAYING!!!

My point is that the game isn't NATIONALLY accepted. MY point is that hte average sports fan could care less about hockey and outside of the top 3 players couldn't name 10.

How in the hell out of everything kase has tried saying are u suggesting that?!

ITS NOT MAINSTREAM FOR A REASON!!

I mean i don't get it, are u suggesting that people want it and some networks aren't picking it up and giving it the attention that the country is calling for?

What are you on? I want a double dose for this weekend

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:17 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</p>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</p>
Same arena sizes, same number of games. Don't be a poo in the pants.


Same arenas, but NBA obviously can fit more seats in those arenas...

but not by a DRAMATIC difference to where mentioning that NBA sells more tickets is due to larger arenas....theres plenty of tickets to be bough in both leagues

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:18 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.

Liking him is irrelevant. If you walked up to people on the road in Louisiana and asked them to name a hockey player they would say him if they even knew one.

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:19 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.


and im sure they were hockey fans before...

i swear its like talking to a wall with u hockey fans. NOBODY IS ARGUING U DONT HAVE A BASE CORE OF FANS

This conversation is about how hockey is perceived nationally. Like ANY sport throughout history, it needs a posterboy. When NHL had one, there was a major jump in national attention and interest... since hes been gone its been on a decline...

And just curious, what teams do these friends of yours like?

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:21 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better

So it's almost even. lol

Your case is getting weaker and weaker by the minute...
Almost doesnt mean tish, the pats ALMOST won the super bowl, the Bills were ALMOST 4x SB champions





its almost even PERCENTAGE wise

hard numbers of tickets sold its not - Basketball sells more tickets
</p>


Thast like saying that baseball is more popular than football because in hard numbers, baseball sold more tickets. (I guess we should ignore that there are only 16 games in football and 162 in baseball OR that there are more NBA teams than NHL teams.)</p>



Same arena sizes, same number of games. Don't be a poo in the pants.
</p>


Bottom line is that the premise of Matts argument is nonsense. He contended that hockey is "boring" because it doesn't rank in revenues as highly as the other three major sports.</p>


Its anmoronic argument that no one believes but him and "ice soccer" Daven. Another case of Meyerbud and Scrappy alone against the world. And thats affirming to the rest of the world.</p>

it is boring...

if theres one thing about THE MASSES, they will watch whatever is entertaining to them (SEE MMA)

Hockey has enough exposure that if America liked it, they would follow it. Nobody likes it, just like nobody likes soccer in this country....

welcome to reality

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:21 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>

You think the 94 Rangers trumped the 96 yankees?

Thats the Red Sock in you
i agree with mh, rangers hadnt won the cup since 1940. i was young but i remember it being pretty crazy when they won.


just googled it...

just over a million at the Rangers parade

ovber 3.5 million at the 96 yankees parade

that was ****ing madness and not even close to comparable
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
thats so z100 of you


define what "it being crazy" meant then?

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:23 PM
I can't even name 5 hockey players that play today and I am constantly on ESPN, watching SportsCenter, Sports Illustrated all the above. It never gets talked about or shown anywhere. Even Linda Cohn complains all the time on SC, "When are we going to do hockey highlights?" Uhhhh later Linda, no one gives a **** about hockey. Maybe after they talk about Peytons neck the second time. Only time I ever see hockey is in the top 10.
Cmon we all know ESPN sucks, especially when their network doesnt have an NHL contract like they (ABC Networks) do with Baseball, Basketball, and Football

Why do I know that you CAN name 5 hockey players


dude honestly, i knew more hockey players in like 93-96

I really don't think i could name 10
so whats that say? it supports what kase is saying. its not on mainstream channel. the only time i see a hockey highlight on espn is if it makes the top 10 plays, which is bull****. soccer has more coverage than hockey, its a joke. every major league should have some air time. everything is so commercialized its sickening.


THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT KASE IS SAYING!!!

My point is that the game isn't NATIONALLY accepted. MY point is that hte average sports fan could care less about hockey and outside of the top 3 players couldn't name 10.

How in the hell out of everything kase has tried saying are u suggesting that?!

ITS NOT MAINSTREAM FOR A REASON!!

I mean i don't get it, are u suggesting that people want it and some networks aren't picking it up and giving it the attention that the country is calling for?

What are you on? I want a double dose for this weekend

Charlie Sheen. He makes<span class="body"> Sinatra, Flynn, Jagger, Richards, all of them look like droopy-eyed armless children.


I thought the same thing to. He proves our point. lol
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MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:24 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - <u>it won't top the Rangers parade in 94</u>, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96
and if it happened, it wont be because hockey became more "boring"


i've made my argument pretty clear, but yet u guys still try to change what i say

Hockey has definitly gotten MORE popular but it is still widely seen as a boring sport. Only hockey towns support hockey (and canada).

**** man go to your local modells. Go see how much ranger **** there is compared to Knicks, Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees

Hockey's popularity is actually on a small decline since 3 years ago (facts are facts)

Maybe not in NEW YORK, but around the country all the numbers suggest it.
its marketing. if tbs or tnt put on hockey games instead of basketball, ratings and everything else hockey related would go up.


dude ur ****in crazy...

MMA had NO marketing but still captured americas heart. Hockey has been around long enough and has enough time on ESPN's highlight to get attention...

if people like the sport they would watch it....

TBS n TNT put it on, BECAUSE THERES A MARKET FOR IT

the hockey interest isn't big enough for them to do that. They'll get more people watching reruns of Law and ORder and Family Guy

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:30 PM
i think kase-dezz-pappy all need to get on one page about the argument

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:30 PM
And think about this.</p>


The Boston fans were far more excited about the Bruins Stanley Cup championship than the Celtics championship.</p>


AND</p>


One of the greatest sports days in New York history was the Stanley Cup championship of the Rangers in 1994. I doubt any of the recent Yankee championship energized the city like the Rangers did.</p>Ive experienced Yankee and Giants parades, I was too young to attend the parade in 94 and Im DIEING to attend a Rangers parade down the canyon of heroes, I would imagine it to be TREMENDOUS!!!!


lol i'll tell u right now - <u>it won't top the Rangers parade in 94</u>, Giants parade in 07, or Yankees in 96
and if it happened, it wont be because hockey became more "boring"


i've made my argument pretty clear, but yet u guys still try to change what i say

Hockey has definitly gotten MORE popular but it is still widely seen as a boring sport. Only hockey towns support hockey (and canada).

**** man go to your local modells. Go see how much ranger **** there is compared to Knicks, Giants, Jets, Mets, and Yankees

Hockey's popularity is actually on a small decline since 3 years ago (facts are facts)

Maybe not in NEW YORK, but around the country all the numbers suggest it.
its marketing. if tbs or tnt put on hockey games instead of basketball, ratings and everything else hockey related would go up.


dude ur ****in crazy...

MMA had NO marketing but still captured americas heart. Hockey has been around long enough and has enough time on ESPN's highlight to get attention...

if people like the sport they would watch it....

TBS n TNT put it on, BECAUSE THERES A MARKET FOR IT

the hockey interest isn't big enough for them to do that. They'll get more people watching reruns of Law and ORder and Family Guy

Even if I wanted to watch hockey I wouldn't be able to cause it's never on any channels what so ever. lol

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:31 PM
i think kase-dezz-pappy all need to get on one page about the argument

Yea, but no matter what page they flip to we win.

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 04:31 PM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</P>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</P>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:35 PM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>

Rangers:

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=493985

Yankees

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/30/opinion/scenes-from-the-yankees-parade.html

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:37 PM
i think kase-dezz-pappy all need to get on one page about the argument

Yea, but no matter what page they flip to we win.


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/8/15/399aa28b-1417-446b-885a-37055135c684.jpg

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:38 PM
<div class="entry-title">
<h2>Major League Soccer eclipsed NBA and NHL attendance; how does online buzz compare? (http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/soccer/)</h2>
</div>
<div class="postdata">
<span class="vcard">Posted by <span class="fn">Eric</span></span>
<span class="published posted_date" title="2011-11-03 15:55:16+00:00">on November 03, 2011</span>


Sports (http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/category/sports/) </div>
<div class="dd_post_share"><div class="dd_buttons"><div class="dd_button"><span class="fb_share_size_Small fb_share_count_wrapper"><span></span><span class="FBConnectButton FBConnectButton_Small" style="cursor:pointer;"><span class="FBConnectButton_Text">Share</span></span></span> (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Finfegy.com%2Fbuzzstudy%2 Fsoccer%2F&amp;t=Major%20League%20Soccer%20eclipsed%20 NBA%20and%20NHL%20attendance%3B%20how%20does%20onl ine%20buzz%20compare%3F%20%7C%20Buzz%20Study&amp;src=s p)</div></div></div>

CBS News reported (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42750942/american-football-us-soccer-overtakes-nba-nhl-in-attendance/?tag=bnetdomain)that
U.S.Major League Soccerhas eclipsed both theNBAand theNHLin terms
of average attendance at games. The article noted thatmere attendance
isn’t the full measure of a sport’s popularity. The indoor arenas of
basketball and hockey have structurally smaller audience capacities than
the capacious outdoor arenas of football. And percentage attendance at
NBA and NHL games tends to be nearer capacity than attendance at soccer.</p>


Here’s how the most recentattendance numbersbreak down:</p>
NFL: 66,960 MLB: 30,352 MLS: 17,872 NBA: 17,319 NHL: 17,126


Is soccer well on the road of becoming America’s third favorite sport behind football and baseball? We used Social Radar (http://infegy.com/socialradar) to analyze conversations online.<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold;"></span></p>
<h3>Basketball vs. soccer vs. hockey buzz</h3>


http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Screen-shot-2011-11-03-at-4.34.28-PM.png</p>


We measured the number of times the words ‘basketball,’ ‘soccer’ and
‘hockey’ appeared online since November 2009. The trend chart above
shows that basketball generated the most mentions overall throughout the
two year time period.</p>
<h3>NBA vs. NHL vs. MLS buzz</h3>


http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Screen-shot-2011-11-03-at-4.36.24-PM.png</p>


We ran the same analysis around the number of times ‘NBA’ (National
Basketball Association), ‘NHL’ (National Hockey League) and ‘MLS’ (Major
League Soccer) were mentioned online. Again, the NBA generated the most
chatter by a wide margin, though MLS is currently at its closest point
to NBA buzz.</p>

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 04:41 PM
lol....you just brought MLS into the conversation!!
im surprised MLS teams still exist. Sad really that the world's most popular sport cant make a splash in the U.S. until every time the world cup rolls around

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:42 PM
<div class="entry-title">
<h2>Major League Soccer eclipsed NBA and NHL attendance; how does online buzz compare? (http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/soccer/)</h2>
</div>
<div class="postdata">
<span class="vcard">Posted by <span class="fn">Eric</span></span>
<span class="published posted_date" title="2011-11-03 15:55:16+00:00">on November 03, 2011</span>


Sports (http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/category/sports/) </div>
<div class="dd_post_share"><div class="dd_buttons"><div class="dd_button"><span class="fb_share_size_Small fb_share_count_wrapper"><span></span><span class="FBConnectButton FBConnectButton_Small" style="cursor:pointer;"><span class="FBConnectButton_Text">Share</span></span></span> (http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Finfegy.com%2Fbuzzstudy%2 Fsoccer%2F&amp;t=Major%20League%20Soccer%20eclipsed%20 NBA%20and%20NHL%20attendance%3B%20how%20does%20onl ine%20buzz%20compare%3F%20%7C%20Buzz%20Study&amp;src=s p)</div></div></div>

CBS News reported (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-42750942/american-football-us-soccer-overtakes-nba-nhl-in-attendance/?tag=bnetdomain)that
U.S.Major League Soccerhas eclipsed both theNBAand theNHLin terms
of average attendance at games. The article noted thatmere attendance
isn’t the full measure of a sport’s popularity. The indoor arenas of
basketball and hockey have structurally smaller audience capacities than
the capacious outdoor arenas of football. And percentage attendance at
NBA and NHL games tends to be nearer capacity than attendance at soccer.</p>


Here’s how the most recentattendance numbersbreak down:</p>
NFL: 66,960 MLB: 30,352 MLS: 17,872 NBA: 17,319 NHL: 17,126


Is soccer well on the road of becoming America’s third favorite sport behind football and baseball? We used Social Radar (http://infegy.com/socialradar) to analyze conversations online.<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold;"></span></p>
<h3>Basketball vs. soccer vs. hockey buzz</h3>


http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Screen-shot-2011-11-03-at-4.34.28-PM.png</p>


We measured the number of times the words ‘basketball,’ ‘soccer’ and
‘hockey’ appeared online since November 2009. The trend chart above
shows that basketball generated the most mentions overall throughout the
two year time period.</p>
<h3>NBA vs. NHL vs. MLS buzz</h3>


http://infegy.com/buzzstudy/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Screen-shot-2011-11-03-at-4.36.24-PM.png</p>


We ran the same analysis around the number of times ‘NBA’ (National
Basketball Association), ‘NHL’ (National Hockey League) and ‘MLS’ (Major
League Soccer) were mentioned online. Again, the NBA generated the most
chatter by a wide margin, though MLS is currently at its closest point
to NBA buzz.</p>

ehhh i fail to see that. Although those are surprising numbers no way MLS is anywhere near those

No public attention, half the games, half the teams, and are averaging less than double per game...

i wouldn't say they are naywhere even near NHL

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:43 PM
lol....you just brought MLS into the conversation!!
im surprised MLS teams still exist. Sad really that the world's most popular sport cant make a splash in the U.S. until every time the world cup rolls around

i was actually very surprised that they were drawing even that many people

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 04:46 PM
lol....you just brought MLS into the conversation!!
im surprised MLS teams still exist. Sad really that the world's most popular sport cant make a splash in the U.S. until every time the world cup rolls around

i was actually very surprised that they were drawing even that many people
</P>


well i think its funny that they play in football stadiums with much larger capacities than arenas, yet still somehow compete with nhl games? madness!</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:48 PM
lol....you just brought MLS into the conversation!!
im surprised MLS teams still exist. Sad really that the world's most popular sport cant make a splash in the U.S. until every time the world cup rolls around

i was actually very surprised that they were drawing even that many people
</p>


well i think its funny that they play in football stadiums with much larger capacities than arenas, yet still somehow compete with nhl games? madness!</p>


</p>

haha they play in stadiums 4 times the size and can't even draw double with less than half games a year

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:51 PM
i don't get what the first poll is even suppose to show

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 04:52 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.
I follow that trend too unfortunately. No particular reason. I liked hockey as a kid. I played until I was 17, but always thought the NHL was 'meh'...I was always much more into football, baseball, and basketball(albeit the 90s specifically). I always try to get into hockey...but to me its just easily forgettable.</P>


If you wanna go even further, you can say that Nascar DESTROYS anything any other sport can try to compete with. The largest spectator sport by far, and it probably has the best ratings too.
I dont even consider nascar a real sport personally lol....there's no ball! there's not even a game! its just driving and making the same turn over and over! lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:52 PM
and what months is the MLS season in... lol i couldn't tell you

MattMeyerBud
02-16-2012, 04:54 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.
I follow that trend too unfortunately. No particular reason. I liked hockey as a kid. I played until I was 17, but always thought the NHL was 'meh'...I was always much more into football, baseball, and basketball(albeit the 90s specifically). I always try to get into hockey...but to me its just easily forgettable.</p>


If you wanna go even further, you can say that Nascar DESTROYS anything any other sport can try to compete with. The largest spectator sport by far, and it probably has the best ratings too.
I dont even consider nascar a real sport personally lol....there's no ball! there's not even a game! its just driving and making the same turn over and over! lol</p>

we actually had this debate a few years ago and I didn't realize how big Nascar actually was

and your right.... that is if u consider Nascar a sport- which i dont

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 04:57 PM
The
NBA is on ESPN Wednesdays and Fridays, TNT on Thursdays, and on ABC
every Sunday beginning in January. Oh, and the late stages of the
playoffs and Finals are also nationally televised on ABC. The NHL? They
have that big network contract with ... Versus, which can be found on
channel five-hundred-and-something on your local cable or satellite
provider. Maybe.

To summarize: More people go to NHL
games than NBA games because basketball has better national television
deals than hockey does.
</p>

20 NHL teams play to 90% capacity, compared to 17 for the NBA.</p>


</p>

Another great point that no one thought of...
</p>

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 05:00 PM
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nhl_experts__16/ept_sports_nhl_experts-132065177-1227629706.jpg?ym3.VrAD7Bcjmgzg

It's ok Wayne, maybe one day your sport will be as cool as mine, but I doubt it.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 05:03 PM
NBA/NHL attendance since 2002.

2007-8: NBA 17,396, NHL 17,268 (difference of 1%)

2006-7: NBA 17,767, NHL 16,964 (difference of 5%)

2005-6: NBA 17,548, NHL 16,955 (difference of 3%)

2004-5: NBA 17,314, NHL (no season)

2003-4: NBA 17,130, NHL 16,538 (difference of 4%)

2002-3: NBA 16,883, NHL 16,592 (difference of 2%)

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 05:05 PM
i don't get what the first poll is even suppose to show

We measured the number of times the words ‘basketball,’ ‘soccer’ and
‘hockey’ appeared online since November 2009. The trend chart above
shows that basketball generated the most mentions overall throughout the
two year time period.

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 05:07 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>

Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>


</p>

We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>

bigblue4417
02-16-2012, 05:07 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>

Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>


</p>

We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>

JPizzack
02-16-2012, 05:18 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</P>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</P>



</P>


We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</P>


</P>


awful example, i know you were just trying to be funny.
I give hockey players all the credit in the world, because i know how strenuous it is. AND it can be just as bruising as football at any given moment, and at uncontrollable speeds and points of impact.
i dont know WHY it's not as popular, because it should be based on the physicality of the game, so that's weird...but hey, it's fact.
Probably the same reason nobody has given a **** about boxing in almost 20 years.
I know some of you guys follow it, but that's also factual.</P>

byron
02-16-2012, 06:32 PM
So if I'm understanding right....football is the #1 sport in the US</P>


And then there's the rest I'll call .." the suck list"...... for me baseball tops the list as the most boring game they ever put on a TV screen...a level of boring I can't even explain...baseball is fun to play andthatsit....I'd give a tie to the other two"hockey andb-ball"for their televisedsuckness...</P>


All that being said hockey is great live, as a kid we used to go to a few collage games,loved atmosphere and excitement that the arena brings..I don't get into it on TV at all really...</P>


As for B-Ball I dowatch some ofplayoff games ...but thatsabout it....andI doubt I'd spend a dime to go to a live game....same goes for baseball...</P>


Its Giantsfootball ornothing for me... Watching any other sportsis like I'm forcing myself to do it...My wife watches baseball I find something else to do...</P>


</P>


By the way KaseI loved playing hockey as a kid,...all be itunorganized... we would wait for a localpond to freeze over and play.... good times ...I still like to put on theskates from time to time when the ice is right andhave a look about...I go slooooow tho....</P>


</P>


ps...keep in mindgoing to any progame from where I'm sitting is not that easy or inexpensive ..If I was closer to the actionI could see myselfgoing tohockey game....</P>

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:18 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.


Its simple - if it was as exciting as some think it is, it would do better.

ANd your in NEW YORK, ANYTHING is on ANYWHERE.

IF anything the fact that Lando has never seen a hockey game on in a sports bar should pretty much prove how nationally nobody cares about hockey...

you step out of hockey towns - ur going to be hard pressed to catch a puck game on TV...


Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:24 PM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that


Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...


OK, dont clown yourself by bringing nascar into it

You live in NEW YORK as well so dont act like you're Captain America

You dont like hockey so obviously you're biased to this discussion just like I am

Truth is truth, hockey has a better following attendance wise, there are more cities in the USA that sellout 100 &amp; 99% of their games in the NHL than the NBA and you seem to ignore that fact

Fake fighting???

And other than your opinion there's nothing that says crosby being hurt has hurt the NHL's popularity

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:26 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games




the fact that there were 12 teams that sellout at home and only 1 of those teams sell out on the road says all that you need to know

especially when u realize how many of those teams were canadian


OK and even without the Canadian teams the NHL has more cities that sells out

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:30 PM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better


what happened to your 100% argument? Opening it up to 99% KILLS your argument even more

Because while you have the ADVANTAGE percentage wise, u lose becuase NBA arenas HOLD more people lol. So the 99% means they aren't selling out. So lets get it straight that it means BOTH have more tickets to sell

tthe difference? NBA is sitll selling more tickets even if they are at 99%
FALSE!!!!

Opening up to NBA, to help your argument just proves my point more so

You can keep kidding yourself but the NHL has more cities that sell out their home games

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:35 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.


and im sure they were hockey fans before...

i swear its like talking to a wall with u hockey fans. NOBODY IS ARGUING U DONT HAVE A BASE CORE OF FANS

This conversation is about how hockey is perceived nationally. Like ANY sport throughout history, it needs a posterboy. When NHL had one, there was a major jump in national attention and interest... since hes been gone its been on a decline...

And just curious, what teams do these friends of yours like?
No Matt, you're arguing that we have 'no fans'

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:38 PM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.

Liking him is irrelevant. If you walked up to people on the road in Louisiana and asked them to name a hockey player they would say him if they even knew one.
Yea by that mindset if you went up to some random person in Montana they couldnt name a basketball player

Rash generalizations dont help your argument

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:41 PM
i think kase-dezz-pappy all need to get on one page about the argument
How can we when you change your argument every other post??!?!?!?

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:48 PM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>

Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>


</p>

We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>When you guys talk about hockey like its figure skating I think you guys are acting like straight up clowns and for a few pages you n matt were

Matt has bashed hockey since the beginning of time, nothing new with that, when you act like its f'n curling thats when I get pissed off cause you guys are acting like jackasses

Kase-1
02-16-2012, 11:52 PM
Hey Lando after all this, I think your care package will be all Rangers stuff, you have lost the privlidge to get the Giants care package

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:21 AM
Im drunk, we'll finisht this in the morning, LOL

Morehead State
02-17-2012, 08:16 AM
Kase....you are fast becoming my new hero.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 08:26 AM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</P>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</P>



</P>


We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</P>


When you guys talk about hockey like its figure skating I think you guys are acting like straight up clowns and for a few pages you n matt were

Matt has bashed hockey since the beginning of time, nothing new with that, when you act like its f'n curling thats when I get pissed off cause you guys are acting like jackasses
</P>


LOL, Kase, I most definitely am NOT doing that!
I'll let Matt speak for himself if that's his opinion. The only common ground Matt and I have here is while debating the overall popularity of the sport.
I stated a page or so ago that I respect hockey players as much as I do football players. AND I like, and respect the sport. It has nothing to do however with my original point of it's popularity.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:25 AM
i think kase-dezz-pappy all need to get on one page about the argument
How can we when you change your argument every other post??!?!?!?


when i respond to points you make that isn't me changing my argument....

everybody else seems to realize my point

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:26 AM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>



</p>


We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>


</p>


awful example, i know you were just trying to be funny.
I give hockey players all the credit in the world, because i know how strenuous it is. AND it can be just as bruising as football at any given moment, and at uncontrollable speeds and points of impact.
i dont know WHY it's not as popular, because it should be based on the physicality of the game, so that's weird...but hey, it's fact.
Probably the same reason nobody has given a **** about boxing in almost 20 years.
I know some of you guys follow it, but that's also factual.</p>

I give Nascar drivers respect too because what they do is hard - doesn't mean I care to watch it

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:27 AM
So if I'm understanding right....football is the #1 sport in the US</p>


And then there's the rest I'll call .." the suck list"...... for me baseball tops the list as the most boring game they ever put on a TV screen...a level of boring I can't even explain...baseball is fun to play andthatsit....I'd give a tie to the other two"hockey andb-ball"for their televisedsuckness...</p>


All that being said hockey is great live, as a kid we used to go to a few collage games,loved atmosphere and excitement that the arena brings..I don't get into it on TV at all really...</p>


As for B-Ball I dowatch some ofplayoff games ...but thatsabout it....andI doubt I'd spend a dime to go to a live game....same goes for baseball...</p>


Its Giantsfootball ornothing for me... Watching any other sportsis like I'm forcing myself to do it...My wife watches baseball I find something else to do...</p>


</p>


By the way KaseI loved playing hockey as a kid,...all be itunorganized... we would wait for a localpond to freeze over and play.... good times ...I still like to put on theskates from time to time when the ice is right andhave a look about...I go slooooow tho....</p>


</p>


ps...keep in mindgoing to any progame from where I'm sitting is not that easy or inexpensive ..If I was closer to the actionI could see myselfgoing tohockey game....</p>

I heard BIG B was the enforcer....

big b use to throw real punches

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:28 AM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.


Its simple - if it was as exciting as some think it is, it would do better.

ANd your in NEW YORK, ANYTHING is on ANYWHERE.

IF anything the fact that Lando has never seen a hockey game on in a sports bar should pretty much prove how nationally nobody cares about hockey...

you step out of hockey towns - ur going to be hard pressed to catch a puck game on TV...


Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:31 AM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that


Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...


OK, dont clown yourself by bringing nascar into it

You live in NEW YORK as well so dont act like you're Captain America

You dont like hockey so obviously you're biased to this discussion just like I am

Truth is truth, hockey has a better following attendance wise, there are more cities in the USA that sellout 100 &amp; 99% of their games in the NHL than the NBA and you seem to ignore that fact

Fake fighting???

And other than your opinion there's nothing that says crosby being hurt has hurt the NHL's popularity


i would have to say that per are debates here I have a better grasp of how Hockey is viewed. The only talking point you have is HOME sellouts. You won't even look at OVERALL sellouts, total sales, or TV ratings.

IF there is one thing America does, it milks any dime out of any interest it gets. Hockey doesn't make that money - for a reason.

And I brought up Nascar just to piss you off

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tc1l_jzKpSs/TsmYVrRRqeI/AAAAAAAATSQ/q1U_Hv7qBIE/s1600/blow_a_kiss_by_ailenni.jpg

I don't like hockey, but I also dont like MMA. This isn't a personal opinion debate, its a factual debate


anbd yea, that fake fighting that went on before the Devils-Rangers game was weaaaakkk....

talk about trying to market your game. Those guys had no desire to fight and barely tried throwing punches, they just dropped their gloves and it was all entertainment. A very big WWE feel to it

speaking of which, im going to Wrestlemania lol

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:34 AM
And there are more 'hockeytowns' than 'basketballtowns'

That is debatable but no way to get a real answer.
Well Im happy you asked, I judged it by the amount of cities that sellout their home games and in the NHL there were 12 teams that sold out 100% of their games and 4 more that sold out 99% of their games, while the NBA had 6 teams that sold out 100% of their home games and 3 teams that sold out 99% of their games



You subtract Canada?


Why subtract Canadia, they have teams in both sports.

But even without Canadia NHL has 11 teams that sellout 99% or better and the NBA has 9 that sellout 99% or better


what happened to your 100% argument? Opening it up to 99% KILLS your argument even more

Because while you have the ADVANTAGE percentage wise, u lose becuase NBA arenas HOLD more people lol. So the 99% means they aren't selling out. So lets get it straight that it means BOTH have more tickets to sell

tthe difference? NBA is sitll selling more tickets even if they are at 99%
FALSE!!!!

Opening up to NBA, to help your argument just proves my point more so

You can keep kidding yourself but the NHL has more cities that sell out their home games


no it doesn't, because 99% isn't a sellout which means BOTH league typically have omre tickets to sell in EVERY arena. This would further back the hard number of ticket sales as being more important than % which the NBA has the advantage of

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:35 AM
And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...

That is another thing he won't accept. Sid is the face of the NHL and it's hurting it with him out. If the Rangers weren't doing so good then we would really never hear about it. Almost every time there was a nationally televised game guess who was playing in it...The Penguins. Sid or Ovechkin every time.


HEs actually quietly conceded that argument

he tried yesterday then he looked at the numbers from 08-09 (preinjury) and that was the peak

THE GREAT WINTER GAME had an all time low in ratings this year...


I dont know one single person that likes crosby and i know quite a few hockey fans.


and im sure they were hockey fans before...

i swear its like talking to a wall with u hockey fans. NOBODY IS ARGUING U DONT HAVE A BASE CORE OF FANS

This conversation is about how hockey is perceived nationally. Like ANY sport throughout history, it needs a posterboy. When NHL had one, there was a major jump in national attention and interest... since hes been gone its been on a decline...

And just curious, what teams do these friends of yours like?
No Matt, you're arguing that we have 'no fans'



no i said nationally nobody cares about hockey outside of the hockey towns...

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:35 AM
Im drunk, we'll finisht this in the morning, LOL


[{]

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:38 AM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>



</p>


We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>


When you guys talk about hockey like its figure skating I think you guys are acting like straight up clowns and for a few pages you n matt were

Matt has bashed hockey since the beginning of time, nothing new with that, when you act like its f'n curling thats when I get pissed off cause you guys are acting like jackasses
</p>


LOL, Kase, I most definitely am NOT doing that!
I'll let Matt speak for himself if that's his opinion. The only common ground Matt and I have here is while debating the overall popularity of the sport.
I stated a page or so ago that I respect hockey players as much as I do football players. AND I like, and respect the sport. It has nothing to do however with my original point of it's popularity.</p>

i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 09:47 AM
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

</P>


I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 09:53 AM
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

</p>


I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</p>

why don't you have interest in boxing?

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 10:06 AM
i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

</P>


I don't perceive it that way...
I have no interest in boxing. it doesn't mean i think it's boring.</P>




why don't you have interest in boxing?
</P>


not sure. i was too young to give a **** when it was HUGE....
and now that it's not popular, and never on tv anyway...guess i just dont care? idk.
same with MMA. </P>


oh, i watched that UFC event they had no fox a few weekends ago...and what a ****ing snoozer!!! I hope to god, that for the sports sake, and those tryingto get it on cable/networks, that it's not always that boring.
Worst part was the guy who won by BS decision in the 2nd to last fight, he's intereviewed briefly afterward, and gave a WWF-esque speech. it was the most awkward moment of television. Way to make ppl think it's fake buddy. i lost respect for it right there, specifically after giving it a shot, and seeing multiple boring fights in a row.</P>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:19 AM
Good Morning All!!!!

So are we in for another 10 pages of Hockey talk today??!?!

I LOVE IT!!!!

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:21 AM
So if I'm understanding right....football is the #1 sport in the US</p>


And then there's the rest I'll call .." the suck list"...... for me baseball tops the list as the most boring game they ever put on a TV screen...a level of boring I can't even explain...baseball is fun to play andthatsit....I'd give a tie to the other two"hockey andb-ball"for their televisedsuckness...</p>


All that being said hockey is great live, as a kid we used to go to a few collage games,loved atmosphere and excitement that the arena brings..I don't get into it on TV at all really...</p>


As for B-Ball I dowatch some ofplayoff games ...but thatsabout it....andI doubt I'd spend a dime to go to a live game....same goes for baseball...</p>


Its Giantsfootball ornothing for me... Watching any other sportsis like I'm forcing myself to do it...My wife watches baseball I find something else to do...</p>


</p>


By the way KaseI loved playing hockey as a kid,...all be itunorganized... we would wait for a localpond to freeze over and play.... good times ...I still like to put on theskates from time to time when the ice is right andhave a look about...I go slooooow tho....</p>


</p>


ps...keep in mindgoing to any progame from where I'm sitting is not that easy or inexpensive ..If I was closer to the actionI could see myselfgoing tohockey game....</p>

I heard BIG B was the enforcer....

big b use to throw real punches
Kase-1 used to throw REAL punches, hell I had my training regimine of boxing my brick chiminey so when I punched a helmet it didnt hurt.... I now have hands of STEEL, LOL

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:22 AM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
Matt said hockey was boring, which was his main reason why hockey isnt popular. Thats a knock. I was at a bar the other night and the ranger game was on.


Its simple - if it was as exciting as some think it is, it would do better.

ANd your in NEW YORK, ANYTHING is on ANYWHERE.

IF anything the fact that Lando has never seen a hockey game on in a sports bar should pretty much prove how nationally nobody cares about hockey...

you step out of hockey towns - ur going to be hard pressed to catch a puck game on TV...


Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:22 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 10:28 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:30 AM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that


Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...


OK, dont clown yourself by bringing nascar into it

You live in NEW YORK as well so dont act like you're Captain America

You dont like hockey so obviously you're biased to this discussion just like I am

Truth is truth, hockey has a better following attendance wise, there are more cities in the USA that sellout 100 &amp; 99% of their games in the NHL than the NBA and you seem to ignore that fact

Fake fighting???

And other than your opinion there's nothing that says crosby being hurt has hurt the NHL's popularity


i would have to say that per are debates here I have a better grasp of how Hockey is viewed. The only talking point you have is HOME sellouts. You won't even look at OVERALL sellouts, total sales, or TV ratings.

IF there is one thing America does, it milks any dime out of any interest it gets. Hockey doesn't make that money - for a reason.

And I brought up Nascar just to piss you off

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tc1l_jzKpSs/TsmYVrRRqeI/AAAAAAAATSQ/q1U_Hv7qBIE/s1600/blow_a_kiss_by_ailenni.jpg

I don't like hockey, but I also dont like MMA. This isn't a personal opinion debate, its a factual debate


anbd yea, that fake fighting that went on before the Devils-Rangers game was weaaaakkk....

talk about trying to market your game. Those guys had no desire to fight and barely tried throwing punches, they just dropped their gloves and it was all entertainment. A very big WWE feel to it

speaking of which, im going to Wrestlemania lol
I admitted that TV numbers were better for the NBA, you on the other hand cant realize that the NHL has more cities that sellout on a consistent basis and whenever I bring that up you bring up TV numbers or road attendance (you deny anything that opposes you argument while I can admit if something is true and opposes my stance)

You may not think personal opinion isnt in this debate but it is. It was ever since you called hockey 'boring' which is your preception. Like pizz said before people dont watch something cause its 'boring' it may be cause they dont understand it or a plethora of other reasons.

Yes, there are 'staged' fights, but there are ALOT of real fights where the players actually HATE each other. You see NJ's superstar Kovalchuk WHOOP THE CRAP outta that guy on the Flyers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywypSGFDwo) thats not fake, his teammate got cheapshotted and the leading scorer on the team drops the gloves AND takes off his helmet (ultimate manliness sign of respect for the game)

Oh snap you goin to RASSLEMANIA!?!?!? I dont even know who's still throwing down in the squared circle

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 10:32 AM
Good Morning All!!!!

So are we in for another 10 pages of Hockey talk today??!?!

I LOVE IT!!!!
</P>


puck you</P>


=]</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 10:33 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...




btw, its pretty funny that u scoffed at the fact that 3.5 million people going to a parade but think that the 20 kids on ur block that played hockey tells the story...

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:34 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...


they hadnt won since 1940. as a kid i thought the energy in the air(if you will) was "crazy" and exciting

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...




btw, its pretty funny that u scoffed at the fact that 3.5 million people going to a parade but think that the 20 kids on ur block that played hockey tells the story...


maybe hockey fans thinks parades are gay. except kase. he loves his parades.

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
I dont want people to get all butthurt over this debate. It's not like im saying hockey is an inferior sport by any means. I just kinda thought it was all obvious, and factual: It's not nearly as popular a sport as the rest.</p>


Because Kase loves hockey. He takes it personally when someone "bashes" his sport. He has played it his whole life and watches it religiously. It's like if someone said Buffy was not one of the most popular shows of all time. You would really take offense to that and would stick up for her ya know?</p>



</p>


We feel the same way and are just stating facts. I don't think Matt is trying to bash hockey per say. I'm sure he realized how talented the athletes are and how difficult the game is. **** man, I have tried to ice skate before with no one around and fall on my ***. lol
</p>


When you guys talk about hockey like its figure skating I think you guys are acting like straight up clowns and for a few pages you n matt were

Matt has bashed hockey since the beginning of time, nothing new with that, when you act like its f'n curling thats when I get pissed off cause you guys are acting like jackasses
</p>


LOL, Kase, I most definitely am NOT doing that!
I'll let Matt speak for himself if that's his opinion. The only common ground Matt and I have here is while debating the overall popularity of the sport.
I stated a page or so ago that I respect hockey players as much as I do football players. AND I like, and respect the sport. It has nothing to do however with my original point of it's popularity.</p>

i've bashed hockey because it is a boring sport - but that isn't what this about.....

this is about how hockey is received nationally in America.

If your not interested in something you might call it --- B _ R I N G (buy a vowel)

obviously the country outside of cities where there is hockey - doesn't care.

By your reasoning the rural area of the country where they dont have teams wouldnt care about ANY SPORT, but we know that isnt true. Lets get some numbers of states with neither teams and see how they fare

By you saying 'boring' that means its back to a subjective argument, cause thats your personal belief. I may feel that a certain sport like tennis is boring but I wont state a harshly generalized statement like EVERYONE in the USA thinks tennis is boring cause I do and the numbers arent as good as other sports, thats not objective, thats subjective

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:36 AM
point is after the yanks won i didnt see kids hitting the batting cages more, or friends calling me up to play baseball. why??? maybe cause hockey is more exciting to play???? hmmmm???

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 10:36 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</P>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</P>

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:38 AM
awful example, i know you were just trying to be funny.
I wasn't trying. IT HAPPENED

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:40 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...




btw, its pretty funny that u scoffed at the fact that 3.5 million people going to a parade but think that the 20 kids on ur block that played hockey tells the story...


maybe hockey fans thinks parades are gay. except kase. he loves his parades.
I love Giants, Rangers, Yankees, and St Patricks Day Parades


....We all know the 1 parade that Matt attends


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/Images/Gay-Pride-Parade-new-york.jpg

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:40 AM
Hey Lando after all this, I think your care package will be all Rangers stuff, you have lost the privlidge to get the Giants care package

NOT nice

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:43 AM
Hey Lando after all this, I think your care package will be all Rangers stuff, you have lost the privlidge to get the Giants care package

NOT nice
Nicer than what I was telling you on FB last nite when I was hammered, LOL

Waterproof Envelope filled with diharrea, LOL

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:43 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</p>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</p>youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:44 AM
Matt Meyerbud just picked up this guy in fantasy basketball

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx8jjokDc51qm9rypo1_500.jpg

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:47 AM
So if I'm understanding right....football is the #1 sport in the US</p>


And then there's the rest I'll call .." the suck list"...... for me baseball tops the list as the most boring game they ever put on a TV screen...a level of boring I can't even explain...baseball is fun to play andthatsit....I'd give a tie to the other two"hockey andb-ball"for their televisedsuckness...</p>


All that being said hockey is great live, as a kid we used to go to a few collage games,loved atmosphere and excitement that the arena brings..I don't get into it on TV at all really...</p>


As for B-Ball I dowatch some ofplayoff games ...but thatsabout it....andI doubt I'd spend a dime to go to a live game....same goes for baseball...</p>


Its Giantsfootball ornothing for me... Watching any other sportsis like I'm forcing myself to do it...My wife watches baseball I find something else to do...</p>


</p>


By the way KaseI loved playing hockey as a kid,...all be itunorganized... we would wait for a localpond to freeze over and play.... good times ...I still like to put on theskates from time to time when the ice is right andhave a look about...I go slooooow tho....</p>


</p>


ps...keep in mindgoing to any progame from where I'm sitting is not that easy or inexpensive ..If I was closer to the actionI could see myselfgoing tohockey game....</p>

I heard BIG B was the enforcer....

big b use to throw real punches

That's good stuff right there. I would also love to go to a pro hockey game. We have a AAA team here but I have never gone to the arena except to see Kanye and Lupe.

I love that man B

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:47 AM
OH YO DEZZY DEZZ!!!!!!



So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check
out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of
em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em



The closest one to me in Central Islip didnt have em, but we called the
store in Copaigue and they had a TON of em. Im prolly going back today
to another store, LOL



Thought my fellow LI Giants fan would like to know the low down

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:48 AM
speaking of which, im going to Wrestlemania lol

I'm concerned you're serious

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 10:48 AM
Matt Meyerbud just picked up this guy in fantasy basketball

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx8jjokDc51qm9rypo1_500.jpg
WHO?!?!?!?

I just got this guy in Fantasy hockey, LOL
http://www.nhlsnipers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/277-Stamkos-Game-Photo-3.jpg

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:52 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:53 AM
lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there


<font size="5">LMAO</font>

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 10:53 AM
OH YO DEZZY DEZZ!!!!!!



So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check
out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of
em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em



The closest one to me in Central Islip didnt have em, but we called the
store in Copaigue and they had a TON of em. Im prolly going back today
to another store, LOL



Thought my fellow LI Giants fan would like to know the low down
pretty sure theres one in garden city and maybe union dale. the programs nice?

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 10:55 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</p>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</p>youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha


and im pretty sure those upstate are more interested in the Buffalo Sabers or a team close to them no?

Besides, its not the most populated of areas the more north u go into NY state

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Hey Lando after all this, I think your care package will be all Rangers stuff, you have lost the privlidge to get the Giants care package

NOT nice
Nicer than what I was telling you on FB last nite when I was hammered, LOL

Waterproof Envelope filled with diharrea, LOL

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:58 AM
You see NJ's superstar Kovalchuk WHOOP THE CRAP outta that guy on the Flyers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywypSGFDwo) thats not fake, his teammate got cheapshotted and the leading scorer on the team drops the gloves AND takes off his helmet (ultimate manliness sign of respect for the game)


WOW, that was crazy....

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 10:58 AM
N.B.A. telecasts outdraw N.H.L. telecasts by somewhere between a 3-to-1 and 4-to-1 margin in America.</p>


You guys just don't get it. Hockey doesn't do well on TV because of the smallness of the puck. HD helps, but not enough. But the game is a great one. Far more fast paced, far more exciting. Plus you can hit people. </p>


The NBA is essentially a sucky game. Its popular in the same way as Survivor or American Idol is popular. I can't watch a friggin basketball game until the 4th quarter. I get that you guys love it and I think thats great. You love your hoops and I get that. But don't knock hockey because you don't get it. Quoting attendance and TV stats is a losing argument. Basketball translates better to TV. And TV is where its at. Doesn't say anything about the quality of each game.</p>


One thing we learned in the radio business.....The masses are asses.</p>


</p>
Nobody is knocking hockey, Matt or myself. Just simply proving a point that hockey is no where near as popular as basketball nationally. It will always be the 4th most popular sport in the US and could someday go even lower.

If you asked a casual sports fan if he would rather have front row seats or an all access pass to tv games for hockey or B'ball 99% of them are going to go for B'Ball.

If you asked a serious Knicks/Rangers, Bulls/Blackhawks or Bruins/Celtics I would bet more than 70% takes B'ball.

No one cares about hockey nationally. If you have a team then of course you are going to care more. I have been to plenty of sports bars in my life. I have never seen hockey on TV nor hear people talking about it. There are bars that would rather show replays of SC than live hockey. No one cares.
No dont get it twisted, Matt was bashing hockey and he does every time we speak on it

WOW, sports bars in Utah suck the ol brasciole. You never hear people talking about it cause Utah has no hockey team, the closest team is in Denver and the Avs blow dong, you even said it, if you have a team you'll care more and in your part of the country there is no team.

There are people that watch all 82 Rangers games at my local bar, hell even I dont watch all 82 Rangers games and they're my #2 after Big Blue, hockey fans are WAAAAY more dedicated than bball fans and there's less of a bandwagon, once a hockey fan always a hockey fan, and if you see a live game you're hooked for LIFE

It isnt always the 4th of the big 4, and its never going below that


Technically i was wrong by saying big 4, its actually 5th out of the big 5 if u want to get techincal. But I don't consider Nascar a sport... I think a ball has to be in pklay to be considered a sport

I've been to about 5 hockey games, so stop it.

you live in NEW YORK. This is what I mean that u have no concept of perception out of the tri-state of big cities.

I personally odn't like hockey, i find it boring. I can get into any sport for small periods of time but its just not an exciting game.

I said that american obviously agrees since they don't have the fan fare. You said they do and tried to give me HOME sales instead of overall sales and just ignore the whole TV thing. Truth is the truth.

And the fake fighting going on is making it go south. And now that Crosby is looking like he may never be what he was suppose to be - theres no doubt that general attendance and TV ratings have been down since he was on top of the game...


OK, dont clown yourself by bringing nascar into it

You live in NEW YORK as well so dont act like you're Captain America

You dont like hockey so obviously you're biased to this discussion just like I am

Truth is truth, hockey has a better following attendance wise, there are more cities in the USA that sellout 100 &amp; 99% of their games in the NHL than the NBA and you seem to ignore that fact

Fake fighting???

And other than your opinion there's nothing that says crosby being hurt has hurt the NHL's popularity


i would have to say that per are debates here I have a better grasp of how Hockey is viewed. The only talking point you have is HOME sellouts. You won't even look at OVERALL sellouts, total sales, or TV ratings.

IF there is one thing America does, it milks any dime out of any interest it gets. Hockey doesn't make that money - for a reason.

And I brought up Nascar just to piss you off

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tc1l_jzKpSs/TsmYVrRRqeI/AAAAAAAATSQ/q1U_Hv7qBIE/s1600/blow_a_kiss_by_ailenni.jpg

I don't like hockey, but I also dont like MMA. This isn't a personal opinion debate, its a factual debate


anbd yea, that fake fighting that went on before the Devils-Rangers game was weaaaakkk....

talk about trying to market your game. Those guys had no desire to fight and barely tried throwing punches, they just dropped their gloves and it was all entertainment. A very big WWE feel to it

speaking of which, im going to Wrestlemania lol
I admitted that TV numbers were better for the NBA, you on the other hand cant realize that the NHL has more cities that sellout on a consistent basis and whenever I bring that up you bring up TV numbers or road attendance (you deny anything that opposes you argument while I can admit if something is true and opposes my stance)

You may not think personal opinion isnt in this debate but it is. It was ever since you called hockey 'boring' which is your preception. Like pizz said before people dont watch something cause its 'boring' it may be cause they dont understand it or a plethora of other reasons.

Yes, there are 'staged' fights, but there are ALOT of real fights where the players actually HATE each other. You see NJ's superstar Kovalchuk WHOOP THE CRAP outta that guy on the Flyers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywypSGFDwo) thats not fake, his teammate got cheapshotted and the leading scorer on the team drops the gloves AND takes off his helmet (ultimate manliness sign of respect for the game)

Oh snap you goin to RASSLEMANIA!?!?!? I dont even know who's still throwing down in the squared circle


If sports fans aren't into a sport its because they bore them - no?

IF the sport DIDNT bore them - they would watch it because they are sports fans.

No THEY DONT have more sellouts. You can't look at only home games in this debate. It hurts your argument because it shows how one dimensional it is.
I know there are real fights, but that NJ-NY puck drop fight was too awful for me to ignore... i thought Jimmy Superfly Snuka was going to hop off the glass and drop an elbow...

lol yea amandas brother is all into it. As soon as Metlife announced they were doing it he texted me/

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 10:59 AM
So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check
out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of
em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em



I can't believe Ed was selling them for $10 on Facebook. Maaaaan

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 10:59 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</P>

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:00 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith)
and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag,
Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million
exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:01 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96


lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...


they hadnt won since 1940. as a kid i thought the energy in the air(if you will) was "crazy" and exciting

yankees probably have a 10x bigger fan base which hadn't won in 20 years. Lets be honest - after that much time it makes very little difference. Generations were either too young or didn't exist since the last time the yankees had won.

Yankees winning that year was DEF more crazy.

Energry for the Yankees was insane and your downplaying that wAyyyyy too much

I just find it hard to believe that a team with a dramatically smaller fanbase, a sport that isn't anywhere near as nationally recieved could stirr the energy of possibly the most liked (and hated) franchise in the world.

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:02 AM
sooo because more people showed up at a parade, it trumped 94? give me a break.
</p>


uhh...yes...obviously...because it was more important to many many more people.</p>


sure, 94 was more important to ranger fans....but there are less ranger fans....because hockey is less popular. wasnt that the point of this all??
how are you denying what matt said if those statistics are true? lol</p>how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96

you've honestly had the worst responses in this debate lol

lol yes, ur right, nobody spray painted a rink in honor of the yankees winning it all - u got me there

Define what u mean by crazyness that the rnagers in 94 brought...




btw, its pretty funny that u scoffed at the fact that 3.5 million people going to a parade but think that the 20 kids on ur block that played hockey tells the story...


maybe hockey fans thinks parades are gay. except kase. he loves his parades.



you've honestly had the worst responses in this debate lol

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 11:02 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</p>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</p>youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha


and im pretty sure those upstate are more interested in the Buffalo Sabers or a team close to them no?

Besides, its not the most populated of areas the more north u go into NY state
rangers were around long before the sabers so id say theres more ranger fans. didnt you or lando say the more north, cold and closer to canada the more popular hockey is?

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Matt Meyerbud just picked up this guy in fantasy basketball

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx8jjokDc51qm9rypo1_500.jpg
WHO?!?!?!?

I just got this guy in Fantasy hockey, LOL
http://www.nhlsnipers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/277-Stamkos-Game-Photo-3.jpg



im in a tight game this week and needed a guy that has a game on Sat and Sun

only the nets play both days and he was the best net on the FA wire...

my hands were tied

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:05 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith)
and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag,
Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million
exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:07 AM
only the nets play both days and he was the best net on the FA wire...

my hands were tied

He dunked on his face hard!

Nice lil nugget there about the Nets. You will win.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:07 AM
So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em


I can't believe Ed was selling them for $10 on Facebook. Maaaaan
</P>


kase, gonna hook a motha ****er up?! ;)</P>


we dont have dollar tree here lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:09 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</p>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</p>youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha


and im pretty sure those upstate are more interested in the Buffalo Sabers or a team close to them no?

Besides, its not the most populated of areas the more north u go into NY state
rangers were around long before the sabers so id say theres more ranger fans. didnt you or lando say the more north, cold and closer to canada the more popular hockey is?


yup

and im pretty sure anybody up there hates the city

they feel they are the REAL new york

have u ever met a Buffalo Bills fan?

I mean its like saying that south jersey should be Giants fans because they've been around a long time and play in jersey - but south jersey is clearly eagle country

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:10 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith)
and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag,
Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million
exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks

I picked him up in hopes he would go to the Lakers. Hopefully it's not true. lol You are right about that. He could have started to.

It makes the bench so much stronger for the Knicks. They are deeeeeeeep.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:10 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith) and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag, Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks
</P>


I think i like the move. who would you rather see with the ball? Walker or JR Smith? thought so. lol
He's an awesome 6th man, that's for damn sure. Did he wanna play with Melo again or something? I didnt really read much about it to be honest</P>

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:14 AM
yup

and im pretty sure anybody up there hates the city

they feel they are the REAL new york

have u ever met a Buffalo Bills fan?

I mean its like saying that south jersey should be Giants fans because they've been around a long time and play in jersey - but south jersey is clearly eagle country
</P>


I know only a few bills fans...one is a chick who actually is a real fan, and she's obnoxious as ****.
She's all about them being the "only NY team", and callsthe gmen and jetsjersey teams etc....
got into a fight with her multiple times....i called her out during the superbowl because she was rooting for the pats. ALOT OF bills and jets fan pulling for the pats. I told her along with the jets fans, that they were to hand in their fan cards, because that's esentially treason.
I dont care if you root against my team, thats fine....but rooting for division rivals? sickening...</P>

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:14 AM
Plus it's insurance for Melo. That groin is tender. LaLa needs to put in some work.

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:15 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:16 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith) and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag, Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks
</p>


I think i like the move. who would you rather see with the ball? Walker or JR Smith? thought so. lol
He's an awesome 6th man, that's for damn sure. Did he wanna play with Melo again or something? I didnt really read much about it to be honest</p>

in general, smith

but with the amount of shots that Smith needs to take, i think for the team Walker may be the better option

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:18 AM
yup

and im pretty sure anybody up there hates the city

they feel they are the REAL new york

have u ever met a Buffalo Bills fan?

I mean its like saying that south jersey should be Giants fans because they've been around a long time and play in jersey - but south jersey is clearly eagle country
</p>


I know only a few bills fans...one is a chick who actually is a real fan, and she's obnoxious as ****.
She's all about them being the "only NY team", and callsthe gmen and jetsjersey teams etc....
got into a fight with her multiple times....i called her out during the superbowl because she was rooting for the pats. ALOT OF bills and jets fan pulling for the pats. I told her along with the jets fans, that they were to hand in their fan cards, because that's esentially treason.
I dont care if you root against my team, thats fine....but rooting for division rivals? sickening...</p>
I bet that was fun for you after THEE game when we whooped that ***!!!



<font color="#0000FF">It's also really cool that we all went to a game the year we won the Superbowl. The one in 07 brought everyone on the boards for the majority so it's cool everyone here has met and now we are champs. </font>

Except Dezzzzzzzzzzzz [:(]

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:18 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith)
and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag,
Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million
exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks

I picked him up in hopes he would go to the Lakers. Hopefully it's not true. lol You are right about that. He could have started to.

It makes the bench so much stronger for the Knicks. They are deeeeeeeep.


i dunno...

i mean the knicks were having problems Melo and Amare pre-lin...

now lin is there it is actually leaving chandler as the beneficiary. Now also Lin is another guy that can score. Amare is still a superstar and now you have to incorporate Melo and JR Smith who are two huge ball hogs

i dunno, i mean just the idea of adding a talent like smith is good but im just not sure it can work...

I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:20 AM
Nothing was official as of 1 a.m. ET Friday morning, but both the New York Daily News and Hoopsworld reported that free agent J.R. Smith (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/NBA/1058/J.R.-Smith) and the Knicks are on the verge of a deal. Barring a last-second snag, Smith should be a Knick by this weekend, earning the $2.5 million exception.



The Knicks could be the best team in the East....


im actually not in love wtih that move...

not enough balls to go around in NY

I think he would of fit perfectly with the Lakers

not sure why he was going for Clips and Knicks

you KNOW your coming off the bench there - he prob could of started for Lakers and put them back in the top talks
</P>


I think i like the move. who would you rather see with the ball? Walker or JR Smith? thought so. lol
He's an awesome 6th man, that's for damn sure. Did he wanna play with Melo again or something? I didnt really read much about it to be honest</P>




in general, smith

but with the amount of shots that Smith needs to take, i think for the team Walker may be the better option
</P>


ehh....this gives them a legitimate outside threat. Walker isn't much of a threat, though he's a decent roleplayer i suppose.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:21 AM
yup

and im pretty sure anybody up there hates the city

they feel they are the REAL new york

have u ever met a Buffalo Bills fan?

I mean its like saying that south jersey should be Giants fans because they've been around a long time and play in jersey - but south jersey is clearly eagle country
</p>


I know only a few bills fans...one is a chick who actually is a real fan, and she's obnoxious as ****.
She's all about them being the "only NY team", and callsthe gmen and jetsjersey teams etc....
got into a fight with her multiple times....i called her out during the superbowl because she was rooting for the pats. ALOT OF bills and jets fan pulling for the pats. I told her along with the jets fans, that they were to hand in their fan cards, because that's esentially treason.
I dont care if you root against my team, thats fine....but rooting for division rivals? sickening...</p>
I bet that was fun for you after THEE game when we whooped that ***!!!



<font color="#0000FF">It's also really cool that we all went to a game the year we won the Superbowl. The one in 07 brought everyone on the boards for the majority so it's cool everyone here has met and now we are champs. </font>

Except Dezzzzzzzzzzzz [:(]


now what would of happened if you DIDNT come?!

and i would just like to say that I'm a good luck charm for the new york giants.... since i met Hakeem and talked to him we tore it up and won a superbowl and he balled out

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home

There's not much to do up there besides eat wings. Especially when there is no football.

You could also factor into the argument populations in cities and areas but that would take a while. I just find it strange that Buffalo sells out more than NY since the amount of people are probably alot different in the cities.

Places with more people should always sell out either sport. Memphis Grizzlies for example. They are a really good team with good players but I saw a game the other day with the attendance around 4,000. That is embarrassing. I know that place is poor as **** but still....

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
how do you know more ranger fans dont live near the city. maybe more live upstate.
after the rangers won we spray painted a rink on our street and over 20 kids would play everyday after school for the next 3 -4 years. cant say the same thing after the yanks won in 96
</p>


I'm live upstate (at least by city dweller/borough standards), and as a Giants fan, and Yankee, i've gone to parades, stadiums, etc...so is that your argument? ppl dont go?
ehh...it's poor argument anyway, so i dont know what it has to do with anything. lol</p>youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha


and im pretty sure those upstate are more interested in the Buffalo Sabers or a team close to them no?

Besides, its not the most populated of areas the more north u go into NY state
rangers were around long before the sabers so id say theres more ranger fans. didnt you or lando say the more north, cold and closer to canada the more popular hockey is?


yup

and im pretty sure anybody up there hates the city

they feel they are the REAL new york

have u ever met a Buffalo Bills fan?
<u>
I mean its like saying that south jersey should be Giants fans because they've been around a long time and play in jersey - but south jersey is clearly eagle country</u>
thats a completely different scenario and you know it. the giants have played in three different states. philly is literally right next to boarder of south jersey. again, rangers have been around much, much longer than the sabres.

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
OH YO DEZZY DEZZ!!!!!!



So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check
out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of
em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em



The closest one to me in Central Islip didnt have em, but we called the
store in Copaigue and they had a TON of em. Im prolly going back today
to another store, LOL



Thought my fellow LI Giants fan would like to know the low down
pretty sure theres one in garden city and maybe union dale. the programs nice?
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:25 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:25 AM
i dunno...

i mean the knicks were having problems Melo and Amare pre-lin...

now lin is there it is actually leaving chandler as the beneficiary. Now also Lin is another guy that can score. Amare is still a superstar and now you have to incorporate Melo and JR Smith who are two huge ball hogs

i dunno, i mean just the idea of adding a talent like smith is good but im just not sure it can work...

I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?
</P>


I would play Smith when Melo and Amare are on the bench...maybe Lin/bibby + Smith + Chandler....</P>


that's a pretty good 2nd team, what do you think? lol</P>

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:26 AM
I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?

With Eli Manning duh

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:27 AM
If sports fans aren't into a sport its because they bore them - no?

IF the sport DIDNT bore them - they would watch it because they are sports fans.

No THEY DONT have more sellouts. You can't look at only home games in this debate. It hurts your argument because it shows how one dimensional it is.
I know there are real fights, but that NJ-NY puck drop fight was too awful for me to ignore... i thought Jimmy Superfly Snuka was going to hop off the glass and drop an elbow...

lol yea amandas brother is all into it. As soon as Metlife announced they were doing it he texted me/
There are sports that Im not into cause I dont understand them, not cause they're 'boring' there's no way for you to tell that

YES THEY DO have more sellouts, we can debate this all day but it doesnt change the numbers, you cant even admit you're wrong even when the numbers are in your face, you just pass over the facts that are in my favor. I on the other hand admit that the NBA has better TV numbers. Hockey fans are more dedicated thats why they sellout more stadiums

There are fake fights every once in a while, but there are MANY reasons why guys drop the gloves, 'fake fights' are a joke even within the NHL

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:29 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>Poughkeepsie is the Gateway to Upstate.

Isnt Pkeepsie the last stop on the Metro North?? If you're a downstate town you have public transportation that takes you into NYC, and in my view you're on the cusp

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:30 AM
i dunno...

i mean the knicks were having problems Melo and Amare pre-lin...

now lin is there it is actually leaving chandler as the beneficiary. Now also Lin is another guy that can score. Amare is still a superstar and now you have to incorporate Melo and JR Smith who are two huge ball hogs

i dunno, i mean just the idea of adding a talent like smith is good but im just not sure it can work...

I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?
</p>


I would play Smith when Melo and Amare are on the bench...maybe Lin/bibby + Smith + Chandler....</p>


that's a pretty good 2nd team, what do you think? lol</p>

except for the bibby part lol...

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 11:30 AM
I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?

With Eli Manning duh
lol.

did any of you watch the highlight reel LT put up? it 40 mins long. Eli and our wrs are incredible. its so exciting to watch them

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:30 AM
So I went to the Dollar Tree last nite with a few of my boys to check out the $1 Super Bowl 46 Programs and we nearly bought the store out of em. Call your local Dollar Tree and see if they got em


I can't believe Ed was selling them for $10 on Facebook. Maaaaan
</p>


kase, gonna hook a motha ****er up?! ;)</p>


we dont have dollar tree here lol</p>Send me your address on FB and ill send one up your way

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:31 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:32 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:33 AM
<font color="#0000FF">It's also really cool that we all went to a game the year we won the Superbowl. The one in 07 brought everyone on the boards for the majority so it's cool everyone here has met and now we are champs. </font>

Except Dezzzzzzzzzzzz [:(]


now what would of happened if you DIDNT come?!

and i would just like to say that I'm a good luck charm for the new york giants.... since i met Hakeem and talked to him we tore it up and won a superbowl and he balled out

I would have never ever forgiven myself. lol

Yeah man, the curse is over. Morehead just needs to post the pic one more time and release the hex.

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:35 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:35 AM
Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home

There's not much to do up there besides eat wings. Especially when there is no football.

You could also factor into the argument populations in cities and areas but that would take a while. I just find it strange that <font size="5">Buffalo sells out more than NY</font> since the amount of people are probably alot different in the cities.

Places with more people should always sell out either sport. Memphis Grizzlies for example. They are a really good team with good players but I saw a game the other day with the attendance around 4,000. That is embarrassing. I know that place is poor as **** but still....

FALSE!!!!

NYR- 99.5%
Buffalo- 98.7%

I guess Mormon Math is different

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2011/sort/homePct

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:36 AM
i dunno...

i mean the knicks were having problems Melo and Amare pre-lin...

now lin is there it is actually leaving chandler as the beneficiary. Now also Lin is another guy that can score. Amare is still a superstar and now you have to incorporate Melo and JR Smith who are two huge ball hogs

i dunno, i mean just the idea of adding a talent like smith is good but im just not sure it can work...

I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?
</p>


I would play Smith when Melo and Amare are on the bench...maybe Lin/bibby + Smith + Chandler....</p>


that's a pretty good 2nd team, what do you think? lol</p>

except for the bibby part lol...


Yeah man WTF!?!? He is so worthless, why is he even on the Knicks. I hope they release him to make room for JR. Come on Pizz, you are better than that.

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:36 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:37 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.
Really, cause you were acting like that channel didnt exist in Utah, and they show EVERY playoff game... How bout next time you're at the bar YOU ask them to put on the game!!!!

Anyone else need to know what channel their National NHL games will be on??

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home

There's not much to do up there besides eat wings. Especially when there is no football.

You could also factor into the argument populations in cities and areas but that would take a while. I just find it strange that <font size="5">Buffalo sells out more than NY</font> since the amount of people are probably alot different in the cities.

Places with more people should always sell out either sport. Memphis Grizzlies for example. They are a really good team with good players but I saw a game the other day with the attendance around 4,000. That is embarrassing. I know that place is poor as **** but still....

FALSE!!!!

NYR- 99.5%
Buffalo- 98.7%

I guess Mormon Math is different

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2011/sort/homePct


i was going by this years numbers and besides last year Rangers haven't outsold Buffalo since 07-08

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:38 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.
Really, cause you were acting like that channel didnt exist in Utah, and they show EVERY playoff game... How bout next time you're at the bar YOU ask them to put on the game!!!!

Anyone else need to know what channel their National NHL games will be on??


i dont think versus was basic cable...

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
I mean im sure everybody would love having Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Hakeem Nicks as your receiving core - but in reality how do u keep them all happy?

With Eli Manning duh
lol.

did any of you watch the highlight reel LT put up? it 40 mins long. Eli and our wrs are incredible. its so exciting to watch them

I watched the entire thing and loved every second of it. It was ****ing incredible. Eli is a totally different monster than from years past. He is sooooooo much better. I used to cringe when he threw it, now I know it's going to be completed. I have 100% trust in him. Plus when the money is on the line Eli can just kill it. Eli will also be a top 5 Fantasy QB this year.

lttaylor56
02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:40 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</P>


Poughkeepsie is the Gateway to Upstate.

Isnt Pkeepsie the last stop on the Metro North?? If you're a downstate town you have public transportation that takes you into NYC, and in my view you're on the cusp
</P>


it is, yea....which is AWESOME because we have the express line to yankees stadium, thanks to my neighboor who is Head Scheduler. BOOYA!!!
which i dont understand, because the tracks keep going.
WHERE DO THESE MYSTERY TRACKS TAKE PEOPLE!!?!?!? lol
</P>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:41 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population
I guarantee that you're wrong on that one. Buffalo is much closer to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and a few others that it is to NYC

And you have it wrong, the last time Buffalo had better attendance than NYR was in 07-08 where they sold out 109% of their games and NYR sold out 100%

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:42 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
Yeeeeaaa the Rangers program that you're getting isnt 250 pages, sorry man

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 11:42 AM
Kase, there actually is a Dollar Tree near us, i just looked it up and called....
the girl said they were told they would be getting them, but don't have them yet, and they arent sure when. =\

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:44 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers. Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:44 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Kase, there actually is a Dollar Tree near us, i just looked it up and called....
the girl said they were told they would be getting them, but don't have them yet, and they arent sure when. =\
Call another one, I went to the one closest to my house and they had no idea what I was talking about, but my buddy called the next closest one to us and they knew EXACTLY what we were talking about and even told us where in the store they were

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol

SEE!!!

hockey is so boring that even when we talk about it LT has to leave THEE thread

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:47 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>
Your point being.......

Versus is no longer a station, its NBC Sports and they're in EVERY SINGLE MARKET. Would I have any point to bring up a failed NBA TV agreement?? The answer is NO

You can keep reaching but the stars will always be in the sky sen

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:48 AM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol

SEE!!!

hockey is so boring that even when we talk about it LT has to leave THEE thread
LT left cause he couldnt stand your stubborness, LOL

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:52 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population
I guarantee that you're wrong on that one. Buffalo is much closer to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and a few others that it is to NYC

And you have it wrong, the last time Buffalo had better attendance than NYR was in 07-08 where they sold out 109% of their games and NYR sold out 100%


okay you have to really accept the fact that the percentage of a sellout is stupid...

They are based off of a hard number which is obviously pushed...

Hard numbers is all that matters

you can't say that Rangers sell out this year when they have 100% and they sold out last year when they had 103%....
obviously there was another 3 % of tickets that could of been sold and weren't

thats why percentages are stupid. Go look at the hard numbers

average attendance per game

06-07
Buff - 18690
NYR - 18200

07-08
Buff - 19950
NYR - 18200

08-09
Buff - 18531
NYR - 18172

09-10
Buff - 18529
NYR - 18076

10-11
Buff - 18542
NYR - 18,108

11-12
Buff - 18498
NYR - 18187

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 11:56 AM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>
Your point being.......

Versus is no longer a station, its NBC Sports and they're in EVERY SINGLE MARKET. Would I have any point to bring up a failed NBA TV agreement?? The answer is NO

You can keep reaching but the stars will always be in the sky sen


because u don't have one. They may of lost NBC but still picked up ABC.

While also maintaining ESPN and TNT.

To put it in perspective - hockey tried to start their own station because ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal in which they then had to sell a few years later

theres no reaching - thats facts

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 11:57 AM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population
I guarantee that you're wrong on that one. Buffalo is much closer to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and a few others that it is to NYC

And you have it wrong, the last time Buffalo had better attendance than NYR was in 07-08 where they sold out 109% of their games and NYR sold out 100%


okay you have to really accept the fact that the percentage of a sellout is stupid...

They are based off of a hard number which is obviously pushed...

Hard numbers is all that matters

you can't say that Rangers sell out this year when they have 100% and they sold out last year when they had 103%....
obviously there was another 3 % of tickets that could of been sold and weren't

thats why percentages are stupid. Go look at the hard numbers

average attendance per game

06-07
Buff - 18690
NYR - 18200

07-08
Buff - 19950
NYR - 18200

08-09
Buff - 18531
NYR - 18172

09-10
Buff - 18529
NYR - 18076

10-11
Buff - 18542
NYR - 18,108

11-12
Buff - 18498
NYR - 18187
You say %'s are stupid, and I feel the same way about your stats, that changes NOTHING just because you said its 'stupid'. Hard numbers are all that matters TO YOU

You know how many people MSG holds for hockey games???

18,200


Its easier for Buffalo to sell more tickets cause they have a bigger arena, but MSG sells out MUCH more consistently

...We can keep this up ALL OFFSEASON sen!!!!!

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:00 PM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>
Your point being.......

Versus is no longer a station, its NBC Sports and they're in EVERY SINGLE MARKET. Would I have any point to bring up a failed NBA TV agreement?? The answer is NO

You can keep reaching but the stars will always be in the sky sen


because u don't have one. They may of lost NBC but still picked up ABC.

While also maintaining ESPN and TNT.

To put it in perspective - hockey tried to start their own station because ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal in which they then had to sell a few years later

theres no reaching - thats facts


ESPN/ABC offered them a sour deal, so they took a good deal with NBC, the same that the NBA did when they went from NBC to ABC, I still dont see your point

You're reaching cause you're hating, its all good man, you can admit it

You can keep reaching for those stars, but theyll always be in the sky

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:01 PM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population
I guarantee that you're wrong on that one. Buffalo is much closer to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and a few others that it is to NYC

And you have it wrong, the last time Buffalo had better attendance than NYR was in 07-08 where they sold out 109% of their games and NYR sold out 100%


okay you have to really accept the fact that the percentage of a sellout is stupid...

They are based off of a hard number which is obviously pushed...

Hard numbers is all that matters

you can't say that Rangers sell out this year when they have 100% and they sold out last year when they had 103%....
obviously there was another 3 % of tickets that could of been sold and weren't

thats why percentages are stupid. Go look at the hard numbers

average attendance per game

06-07
Buff - 18690
NYR - 18200

07-08
Buff - 19950
NYR - 18200

08-09
Buff - 18531
NYR - 18172

09-10
Buff - 18529
NYR - 18076

10-11
Buff - 18542
NYR - 18,108

11-12
Buff - 18498
NYR - 18187
You say %'s are stupid, and I feel the same way about your stats, that changes NOTHING just because you said its 'stupid'. Hard numbers are all that matters TO YOU

You know how many people MSG holds for hockey games???

18,200


Its easier for Buffalo to sell more tickets cause they have a bigger arena, but MSG sells out MUCH more consistently

...We can keep this up ALL OFFSEASON sen!!!!!


but they actually don't... you can't consider 100% a sellout if the next year theysold 103%. That would obviously mean that they had 3% more tickets they could of sold the year before

so they really DIDNT sell 100% of their tickets that year

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:07 PM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>
Your point being.......

Versus is no longer a station, its NBC Sports and they're in EVERY SINGLE MARKET. Would I have any point to bring up a failed NBA TV agreement?? The answer is NO

You can keep reaching but the stars will always be in the sky sen


because u don't have one. They may of lost NBC but still picked up ABC.

While also maintaining ESPN and TNT.

To put it in perspective - hockey tried to start their own station because ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal in which they then had to sell a few years later

theres no reaching - thats facts


ESPN/ABC offered them a sour deal, so they took a good deal with NBC, the same that the NBA did when they went from NBC to ABC, I still dont see your point

You're reaching cause you're hating, its all good man, you can admit it

You can keep reaching for those stars, but theyll always be in the sky


now ur just tlaking out of ur ***

NBA ON NBC: "When NBC Sports' contract with the NBA expired in 2002, the broadcast rights were passed to ABC, which began airing games the next season. NBC had made a four-year, $1.3 billion bid in the spring of 2002 to renew its NBA coverage, but the league instead made six-year deals worth $4 billion with ESPN, ABC and TNT.[7]"

NHL ON ESPN: "Though the two are friends, Bettman had a tough message to deliver: Days
earlier, ESPN told the league that it would make an aggressive bid on
the NHL's media package. Bettman told Roberts that ESPN's planned bid of
$160 million to $170 million per year would test NBC's and Versus'
right-to-match clause, which several media executives described as the
tightest such clause they had ever seen. The clause gave NBC the right
to match any deal the NHL signed with another network"

NHL ended up on settling on 10 years 2 bil deal

dude this comparing Kias to Mercedes

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:15 PM
<font size="4" color="#0000FF">Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home</font>

There's not much to do up there besides eat wings. Especially when there is no football.

You could also factor into the argument populations in cities and areas but that would take a while. I just find it strange that <font size="5">Buffalo sells out more than NY</font> since the amount of people are probably alot different in the cities.

Places with more people should always sell out either sport. Memphis Grizzlies for example. They are a really good team with good players but I saw a game the other day with the attendance around 4,000. That is embarrassing. I know that place is poor as **** but still....

FALSE!!!!

NYR- 99.5%
Buffalo- 98.7%

I guess Mormon Math is different

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2011/sort/homePct

I didn't say that ya chump. lol

Recognize before you go bashing peoples ice cream churning wives.

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:16 PM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...

For sure, at least here it is.

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:16 PM
How bout next time you're at the bar YOU ask them to put on the game!!!!


They don't want people to leave pimp.

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:18 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
Yeeeeaaa the Rangers program that you're getting isnt 250 pages, sorry man

Quit playing with my emotions.

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:23 PM
Lando also lives in a city where they have a NBA team and THATS IT!!!!

Of course they'd show basketball


Yes, but the fact that he never sees hockey is the moral of that story.

Im sure they have more than 1 TV
He never chooses to watch it, I guarantee that hockey is on in Lando's market. Yes it wont be as big cause cmon SLC has a NBA team not an NHL team, I wont front about that

Even on a night with no Bball and 10 hockey games they don't show hockey anywhere. They don't even show the playoff games.
In SLC its Channel 34

NBC Sports SLC TV Listing (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45818878?ap=cf&amp;v=1&amp;aid=nbcsports&amp;stnlt=15952%2C486 39&amp;nstnlt=false&amp;rty=json&amp;zip=84101&amp;zccSubmit.x=0&amp;z ccSubmit.y=0)

I was speaking about at the bars or restaurants. Everyone knows what channel it's on. Basic cable and they still don't show it.

thats not basic cable...

NBC Sports is a new channel which use to be Versus
Im almost 100% sure that IS included in basic cable, just like TNT is...




In October 2005, Versus elected not to provide NHL coverage to a number of distributors, including EchoStar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EchoStar) (Dish Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dish_Network)) and Cablevision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablevision),
both of which refused Comcast's request to place Versus on a much
higher-penetration package. During this time, NHL coverage was blacked
out on these systems, replaced with other programming. It was believed
that the reason behind these blackouts had to do with a penalty fee that
Comcast would have had to pay the NHL if they did not significantly
increase their distribution.<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space:nowrap;">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from April 2010">citation needed</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup></p>


While Cablevision eventually came to an agreement making OLN/Versus
available to any customer with digital cable, EchoStar retaliated by
pulling OLN from its service; it was Dish Network's stance that few of
its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising
rates. On April 24, 2006, the same date that OLN announced the
late-September name change to Versus, Dish Network and OLN reached a
long term agreement to restore the channel.</p>


At the beginning of September 2009, DirecTV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV)
pulled Versus from its lineup, as it was unable to reach terms on a
rate increase demanded by Comcast. In public statements (including a
message shown on the channel which formerly carried Versus), DirecTV
scolded Comcast for its "unfair and outrageous demands", and considered
the company to be "simply piggish" in its demands for higher rates, as
it described Versus as "a paid programming and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) channel with occasional sporting events."<sup id="cite_ref-33" class="reference"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-33)</sup>
On March 15, 2010 an agreement was reached between the sides and Versus
returned to DirecTV's lineup. The channel was returned to its original
package on the service, Choice Xtra.<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sports_Network#cite_note-resolution-34)</sup></p>


</p>


</p>


</p>


</p>

got that off wiki, i knew there was something up with versus i remember hearing about it not showing hockey games
<sup id="cite_ref-resolution_34-0" class="reference"></sup></p>
Your point being.......

Versus is no longer a station, its NBC Sports and they're in EVERY SINGLE MARKET. Would I have any point to bring up a failed NBA TV agreement?? The answer is NO

You can keep reaching but the stars will always be in the sky sen


because u don't have one. They may of lost NBC but still picked up ABC.

While also maintaining ESPN and TNT.

To put it in perspective - hockey tried to start their own station because ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal in which they then had to sell a few years later

theres no reaching - thats facts


ESPN/ABC offered them a sour deal, so they took a good deal with NBC, the same that the NBA did when they went from NBC to ABC, I still dont see your point

You're reaching cause you're hating, its all good man, you can admit it

You can keep reaching for those stars, but theyll always be in the sky


now ur just tlaking out of ur ***

NBA ON NBC: "When NBC Sports' contract with the NBA expired in 2002, the broadcast rights were passed to ABC, which began airing games the next season. NBC had made a four-year, $1.3 billion bid in the spring of 2002 to renew its NBA coverage, but the league instead made six-year deals worth $4 billion with ESPN, ABC and TNT.[7]"

NHL ON ESPN: "Though the two are friends, Bettman had a tough message to deliver: Days
earlier, ESPN told the league that it would make an aggressive bid on
the NHL's media package. Bettman told Roberts that ESPN's planned bid of
$160 million to $170 million per year would test NBC's and Versus'
right-to-match clause, which several media executives described as the
tightest such clause they had ever seen. The clause gave NBC the right
to match any deal the NHL signed with another network"

NHL ended up on settling on 10 years 2 bil deal

dude this comparing Kias to Mercedes
You started to compare the TV deals, I have stayed away from the TV debate cause its obviously in the NBA's favor

Honestly I could careless about TV deals which is why I never spoke on em

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:24 PM
ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal

Why?

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:25 PM
youre an hour upstate man. lol it takes like 5-6 to get to canada. nys a big state brotha



lol, thank you for recognizing Poughkeepsie as a downstate city. I'm tired of ppl considering anything more than 30 mins from the city "upstate"...its hard to defend.
to me, upstate is north of albany.</p>

yea but there were other teams close to alot of places in north NY than the Rangers

I doubt there are very many Rangers fans that north i the state. They've had closer franchises that have been around along time. Plus while the Sabers only came in 1970, its still been 40 years - im sure thats long enough to build a fan base.

Infact they draw better at home than the Rangers draw at home
Im almost 100% sure Albany carries MSG and NESN so they have Rangers and Bruins games on TV and Radio


im sure all of NY does, just by general contract

i would bet even buffalo does as well

but i mean not for nothing, Buffalo sells out more at home than the Rangers do in a similiar capacity stadium with probably 1/5th of the population
I guarantee that you're wrong on that one. Buffalo is much closer to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Toronto, and a few others that it is to NYC

And you have it wrong, the last time Buffalo had better attendance than NYR was in 07-08 where they sold out 109% of their games and NYR sold out 100%


okay you have to really accept the fact that the percentage of a sellout is stupid...

They are based off of a hard number which is obviously pushed...

Hard numbers is all that matters

you can't say that Rangers sell out this year when they have 100% and they sold out last year when they had 103%....
obviously there was another 3 % of tickets that could of been sold and weren't

thats why percentages are stupid. Go look at the hard numbers

average attendance per game

06-07
Buff - 18690
NYR - 18200

07-08
Buff - 19950
NYR - 18200

08-09
Buff - 18531
NYR - 18172

09-10
Buff - 18529
NYR - 18076

10-11
Buff - 18542
NYR - 18,108

11-12
Buff - 18498
NYR - 18187
You say %'s are stupid, and I feel the same way about your stats, that changes NOTHING just because you said its 'stupid'. Hard numbers are all that matters TO YOU

You know how many people MSG holds for hockey games???

18,200


Its easier for Buffalo to sell more tickets cause they have a bigger arena, but MSG sells out MUCH more consistently

...We can keep this up ALL OFFSEASON sen!!!!!


but they actually don't... you can't consider 100% a sellout if the next year theysold 103%. That would obviously mean that they had 3% more tickets they could of sold the year before

so they really DIDNT sell 100% of their tickets that year
100% = Sellout
103,104,105,106% = Sellout

Its OK you can accept it, I still love ya

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:28 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:30 PM
ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal

Why?


they just didn't give them AS big of a deal. 300-400 Million less stretched out over 10 years.

20% less than what NBC - but it didn't matter what ESPN offered because NBC still had the rights to match due to ac ontract they signed

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:37 PM
ESPN wouldn't give them a big deal

Why?
Because they couldnt reach an agreement

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 12:38 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 12:42 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag? That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive. So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers. Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree
</P>


I called the other2 stores I found over here....they said they are stores that didnt get them. So i guess the first place is the only one that has a chance of receiving them.
WEAK!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:43 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???

bigblue4417
02-17-2012, 12:44 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</p>

The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </p>

The
approval is needed because of the money involved, as<font color="#0000FF"> the Yankees will
eat about $20 million of the $33 million</font> still owed Burnett for the last
two seasons of his contract, sources said.</p>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He
is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </p>

As
soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive
pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </p>

Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez)
-- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter
against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some
days of outfield play. </p>

Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</p>


</p>

<font size="4" color="#0000FF">
</font></p>

<font size="4" color="#0000FF">OUCH!!!</font>
</p>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 12:47 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</p>

The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </p>

The
approval is needed because of the money involved, as<font color="#0000FF"> the Yankees will
eat about $20 million of the $33 million</font> still owed Burnett for the last
two seasons of his contract, sources said.</p>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He
is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </p>

As
soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive
pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </p>

Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez)
-- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter
against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some
days of outfield play. </p>

Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</p>


</p>

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">
</font></p>

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">OUCH!!!</font>
</p>

Damon played alot of OF for the Rays last year

Matsui is a no go

I also heard big bad Vlad may be coming to town which I would prefer over all of them. With the way he hits righties and andrew jones hit lefties, it would be a great situation for us i think. Not only that hes awlays hit well in yankee stadium - even last year

lttaylor56
02-17-2012, 12:59 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers.* Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree
Whoever can get them, grab like 10 or so. JP and crew I will try tonite on way home.

I have to give you this...Hockey has got to be more popular than my second favorite to football: World's Strongest Man competitions.

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:06 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers. Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree
Whoever can get them, grab like 10 or so. JP and crew I will try tonite on way home.

I have to give you this...Hockey has got to be more popular than my second favorite to football: World's Strongest Man competitions.

lets just be happy that kase doesn't like the world strongest man comps too

he may be on here telling me that it is more popular than MLB

lttaylor56
02-17-2012, 01:07 PM
http://www.americancurvesmag.com/galleries/amber-mekush/
http://www.americancurvesmag.com/nooner/images/2012/02172012_AmberMekush.jpg

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:11 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 01:11 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:13 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:13 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers. Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree
Whoever can get them, grab like 10 or so. JP and crew I will try tonite on way home.

I have to give you this...Hockey has got to be more popular than my second favorite to football: World's Strongest Man competitions.

lets just be happy that kase doesn't like the world strongest man comps too

he may be on here telling me that it is more popular than MLB
<font color="#FF0000">Obviously Worlds Strongest Man is the best sport in history and its not boring, LOL</font>

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:14 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2009/03/sp_allstarhomerun_df02498x357.jpg

it'll be like the 96 yanks wtih Strawberry and Cecil

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:15 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:17 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 01:27 PM
no way on Vlad....
Damon you can plug in anywhere in the lineup, and get production.

Vlads power has dropped drastically, and i hate how he swings in the dirt constantly.I would have taken him the first year we lost matsui and damon probably. but not anymore.
</P>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:27 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:29 PM
no way on Vlad....
Damon you can plug in anywhere in the lineup, and get production.

Vlads power has dropped drastically, and i hate how he swings in the dirt constantly.I would have taken him the first year we lost matsui and damon probably. but not anymore.
</p>

we're looking for somebody to take like 35% of the swings at DH...

He still hits righties great and owns *** in yankee stadium

perfect addition. If not him i'd like Damon too...

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:30 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


no, selling out means that you sell every seat in the house

which obviously hasn't been done in these cases

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:30 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


i don't get how ur not understanding it either

its confusing how u are suggesting that if a stadium has 1000 tickets left to sell it could still be sold out

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:33 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


no, selling out means that you sell every seat in the house

which obviously hasn't been done in these cases
Selling out means selling 100% of the tickets or being at 100% capacity

Which has been done in 12 NHL cities and 6 NBA cities according to last years #'s

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:35 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


i don't get how ur not understanding it either

its confusing how u are suggesting that if a stadium has 1000 tickets left to sell it could still be sold out
I dont get where you're getting an extra 1000 tickets from

100% of tickets sold = SELLOUT

lttaylor56
02-17-2012, 01:36 PM
Its 250pages of BEAUTY!!!!!

Boy ya ya ya ya ya ya yoioioioing.

6 to Midnight
The superbowl program at the dollar tree? I was thinking the past 2 nights of stopping by the dollar store to see if they had any decent NYG ****..........or is this the si swimsuit mag?

That 40 minute highlight reel was amazing. Our offense was lethal this year. Very explosive.

So have we all agreed on the importance of Hockey in the state of NY? lol


Im not sure if its ALL dollar stores, or just 'Dollar Tree' stores, but the Dollar Tree near me had a TON of them and they were at the registers.* Me and my 2 buddies bought 2 boxes worth and it felt like we were robbing them blind, we couldnt help but laugh HYSTERICALLY as we walked out the door

The way the debate is going, me and Matt will NEVER agree
Whoever can get them, grab like 10 or so. JP and crew I will try tonite on way home.

I have to give you this...Hockey has got to be more popular than my second favorite to football: World's Strongest Man competitions.

lets just be happy that kase doesn't like the world strongest man comps too

he may be on here telling me that it is more popular than MLB
<font color="#FF0000">Obviously Worlds Strongest Man is the best sport in history and its not boring, LOL</font>


mariusz pudzianowski came onto the worlds strongest man scene in the 2000's. He had a much different shape than the larger than life overweight(still very strong) other competitors. Mariusz won it all an unprecedented 5 times, while competing against men in excess of 100 lbs heavier than him. Also an mma guy and early powerlifter. This guy is the real deal. I'm glad I had opportunity to watch his rise and ultimate domination of the sport.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKfebQjxGO2Yy8mdXcWwMKQzYCj2sA1 8shOVK_yNoXqGxN6UB4j5oAIGbN

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/406117/mariusz-2_30320.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrwm58SNGodOP_nkzJEi-Z-Jb5JjcyBMhyhHhn63gcU-QsLf0IBY1HLJKdUQ
http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/mariusz-pudzianowski.jpg

MattMeyerBud
02-17-2012, 01:37 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


no, selling out means that you sell every seat in the house

which obviously hasn't been done in these cases
Selling out means selling 100% of the tickets or being at 100% capacity

Which has been done in 12 NHL cities and 6 NBA cities according to last years #'s


so are u saying that the capicty changes from night to night?

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 01:43 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</p>

The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </p>

The
approval is needed because of the money involved, <u>as<font color="#0000FF"> the Yankees will
eat about $20 million of the $33 million</font> still owed Burnett for the last
two seasons of his contract, sources said.</u></p>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He
is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </p>

As
soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive
pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </p>

Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez)
-- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter
against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some
days of outfield play. </p>

Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</p>


</p>

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">
</font></p>

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">OUCH!!!</font>
</p>oohhhh morehead[:)]

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 01:45 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 01:49 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</P>


Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</P>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:49 PM
call me crazy, but u can't call it a sell out if you still have tickets to sell

&lt;--- crazy guy
Yes, you ARE the crazy guy, you think that 100% of tickets sold isnt a sellout


because 100% of the tickets actually weren't sold

its a fictitious number they are basing it off of..

there can only be one max capacity

how is selling 19,000 tickets one night a sellout and then 18,000 tickets another night a sellout too in the same stadium???
BS!!!!

You're acting like you're the one to create these numbers

Max Capacity = 100%
Over Capacity = 101% and up




explain to me how your sold out if u still have another 1000 tickets u can sell?
I dont know, ask the guy who created the stats

Explain to me how 100% attendance ISNT selling out??? Cause if they had 1000 extra tickets to sell that wouldnt be a 100% sell out


because its based off of a number which is suppose to be max capacity, but obviously isn't...

hence NOT sold out because at any given night those tickets COULD be sold

you can't have a 10% range of being sold out. Its either sold out or it isn't....

theres no degrees of being sold out.
It obviously would be based off of the max capacity, just cause it doesnt match your stance doesnt mean its not correct numbers or whatever you're arguing

Sold out = more than 99.9%

I dont understand how you're not seeing this


no, selling out means that you sell every seat in the house

which obviously hasn't been done in these cases
Selling out means selling 100% of the tickets or being at 100% capacity

Which has been done in 12 NHL cities and 6 NBA cities according to last years #'s


so are u saying that the capicty changes from night to night?
NOPE, thats what you're saying

Morehead State
02-17-2012, 01:50 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</P>


The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </P>


The approval is needed because of the money involved, <U>as<FONT color=#0000ff> the Yankees will eat about $20 million of the $33 million</FONT> still owed Burnett for the last two seasons of his contract, sources said.</U></P>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </P>


As soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </P>


Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez) -- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some days of outfield play. </P>


Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</P>



</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>
</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>OUCH!!!</FONT>
</P>


oohhhh morehead[:)]
</P>


I give the Yanks 84 wins.</P>

Kase-1
02-17-2012, 01:51 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</p>


Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</p>We def need some help behind Arod and Jeter, they're up there in age and wont last forever like we all hope. Id rather look at and build a young infield while theyre still playing and by the time they hang em up, we'll have a young infield all around based around Robbie Cano

Morehead State
02-17-2012, 01:54 PM
Looks like a full fledged MJ vs. Larry fight on FB with Sharieff and his buddies.</P>


Morehead is the man.</P>

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 01:58 PM
Looks like a full fledged MJ vs. Larry fight on FB with Sharieff and his buddies.</P>


Morehead is the man.</P>


</P>


There is no arguement. Ever.
MJ is the greatest of all time, by a longshot.
End. Story. Game. Set. Match. Point. or whatever.
It's ova soljah, toldjaaaaaa</P>

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 02:00 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</p>


<u>Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....</u>
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</p>thats why we buy them[:D]i hear that but yanks have enough streaky power hitters. its time to look for a guy or two that hits for avg. Yanks would be unstoppable.

ny06
02-17-2012, 02:01 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</P>


The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </P>


The approval is needed because of the money involved, <U>as<FONT color=#0000ff> the Yankees will eat about $20 million of the $33 million</FONT> still owed Burnett for the last two seasons of his contract, sources said.</U></P>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </P>


As soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </P>


Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez) -- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some days of outfield play. </P>


Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</P>



</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>
</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>OUCH!!!</FONT>
</P>


oohhhh morehead[:)]
</P>


I give the Yanks 84 wins.</P>


</P>


This coming from a guy who wins predictions for the Red Sox last yearlessened by the month. </P>


</P>


</P>

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 02:02 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</P>


Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</P>


We def need some help behind Arod and Jeter, they're up there in age and wont last forever like we all hope. Id rather look at and build a young infield while theyre still playing and by the time they hang em up, we'll have a young infield all around based around Robbie Cano
</P>


I'm starting to like Nunez at SS. He struggled defensively. but got alot better. and the games he played when The Captain was on the DL, he had some timely hitting and stepped up his game.
Pena on the other hand.....ehhh....we need another option for 3rd....</P>

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 02:03 PM
Looks like a full fledged MJ vs. Larry fight on FB with Sharieff and his buddies.</p>


Morehead is the man.</p>yuupp its almost baseball season. mhs ridiculous predictions are here already.

edit: meant to quote the 84 wins.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 02:04 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</P>


<U>Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....</U>
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</P>


thats why we buy them[:D]i hear that but yanks have enough streaky power hitters. its time to look for a guy or two that hits for avg. Yanks would be unstoppable.
</P>


well thats why i was against giving up Montero. We have to KEEP the young guys who are going to develop the bats for us.
I swear I'll flip the **** out if Pineda doesnt win at least 16 games, and Montero ends up studly in Seattle.
AND I ACTUALLY LIKE SEATTLE!!!!</P>

Morehead State
02-17-2012, 02:05 PM
The Pittsburgh Pirates (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) and New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) are on the verge of completing a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4153/aj-burnett) to Pittsburgh and are expecting to take the proposal to the commissioner's office Friday for approval, sources said.</P>


The Pirates are expected to send a pair of prospects to the Yankees, sources said. </P>


The approval is needed because of the money involved, <U>as<FONT color=#0000ff> the Yankees will eat about $20 million of the $33 million</FONT> still owed Burnett for the last two seasons of his contract, sources said.</U></P>


As a Yankee the past three seasons, Burnett is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA. He is 121-111 with a 4.10 ERA in 13 seasons with the Yankees, Blue Jays (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays) and Marlins (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/mia/miami-marlins). </P>


As soon as the Burnett deal is done, the Yankees will begin the aggressive pursuit of a veteran designated hitter, sources said. </P>


Sources said that there is a good deal of sentiment within the Yankees organization to go after Raul Ibanez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3504/raul-ibanez) -- who wants to play for the team -- to be their designated hitter against right-handers, partly because they believe he can give them some days of outfield play. </P>


Although Johnny Damon (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3323/johnny-damon) and Hideki Matsui (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5372/hideki-matsui) are also available, they are generally regarded as unplayable defensively, sources said.</P>



</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>
</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#0000ff size=4>OUCH!!!</FONT>
</P>


oohhhh morehead[:)]
</P>


I give the Yanks 84 wins.</P>


</P>


This coming from a guy who wins predictions for the Red Sox last yearlessened by the month. </P>


</P>


</P>


</P>


I was on pace for 101 until the collapse. Morehead puts himself out there. All you guys love to knock someone else's predictions but don't has the balls to make one yourself.</P>

dezzzR
02-17-2012, 02:05 PM
THANK GOD we are getting rid of Burnett! I'm glad we're even getting 2 prospects for him.
I would take Damon back in a heartbeat as DH. Ibanez and Matsui, not a ****ing chance.

Plus I read the other day that DAMONIC is dying to be back in pinstripes, and is upset talks havent started already lol.i like johnny, i really do, but his average has never been that great. yanks need a hitter.
</p>


<u>Teams dont part ways with guys who have 310 batting averages....</u>
I dont know what you think youre going to get.
You have 2 options: Young infield, and moving A-rod or Jeter...
Or
Aging vet with some pop who can still get it done....

</p>


thats why we buy them[:D]i hear that but yanks have enough streaky power hitters. its time to look for a guy or two that hits for avg. Yanks would be unstoppable.
</p>


well thats why i was against giving up Montero. We have to KEEP the young guys who are going to develop the bats for us.
I swear I'll flip the **** out if Pineda doesnt win at least 16 games, and Montero ends up studly in Seattle.
AND I ACTUALLY LIKE SEATTLE!!!!</p>yea i wasnt really crazy about that move either but well see.

JPizzack
02-17-2012, 02:07 PM
I was on pace for 101 until the collapse. Morehead puts himself out there. All you guys love to knock someone else's predictions but don't has the balls to make one yourself.</P>


Yankees, 102 wins.</P>