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Kase-1
02-22-2012, 12:50 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty
i like beatty but im not sure hes ready yet. plus i see beatty replacing kmac before diehl.
Beatty has the agility and speed of a prototypical LT, but doesnt have the mauling ability or strength to be that prototye RT. Then again with the infulx of speed rushers who knows what the trend will be in a few seasons

RT's are usually mauling beastly masters of the run blocking game whos strength and gusto make up for lack of athletic ability

LT's are usually agile, more-athletic, pass protection specialists with great footwork

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 01:00 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <FONT color=#0000ff>each season that he started

</FONT>
</P>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</P>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:05 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 01:21 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season <font size="6">and then once hes replaced the offensive line looks COMPLETELY BETTER</font>

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait


fixed it for u

he played unbalanced. Decent against pass rush and brutal vs the run

I'll wait too becuase Diehl will not only be back this year but will start at LT. If they do try something and hes not starting at tackle to start, he will by seasons end will not be a giant the following year unless he signs the minimum to be a backup.

You can sig that if u want too

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 01:23 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:28 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air
Or this one where Diehl was ranked THEE WORST OG Against the pass rush

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/21/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 01:36 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air


why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 01:38 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</P>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</P>


LAWYERED!!!!</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air
Or this one where Diehl was ranked THEE WORST OG Against the pass rush

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/21/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/


you lose automatically for referencing that site.

PFF? your better than that

they also said preseason that JPP was statistically the worst DE in tyhe league last year and that Rolle was the worst Saftey in the league this year...

awful kase, just awful site references

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>

and if i remember correctly most of the sacks given up this year were when he was playing guard

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 01:41 PM
"The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard"
thats very good, imo. It means hes only getting beat a little over 10% of the time.

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:44 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air


why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately
Weak arguments cause they go against what you believe in?!?!?!

PLEASE, Diehl is consistently rated THEE worst OT in the NFL as well as THEE worst OG in the NFL this past season and you guys still think he's great!?!?!?!

Well cause I have no way of telling how many games he played OT and how many times he came in as en extra blocking TE, do you???

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 01:46 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air


why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately
Weak arguments cause they go against what you believe in?!?!?!

PLEASE, <u>Diehl is consistently rated THEE worst OT in the NFL as well as THEE worst OG in the NFL this past season and you guys still think he's great!?!?!?!</u>

Well cause I have no way of telling how many games he played OT and how many times he came in as en extra blocking TE, do you???
Eli wasnt even rated on the top 100 last year. It means nothing Kasemoney. You know this....maaaaan

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:46 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 01:50 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:50 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:51 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....
WTF, well I dont like mustard and califlower that doesnt mean they dont exist in the real world

It was an article about pass protection efficency, just cause it goes against your arguments doesnt mean its BS or fake or whatever you guys are trying to say

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:52 PM
Eli wasnt even rated on the top 100 last year. It means nothing Kasemoney. You know this....maaaaan
Link please??

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:55 PM
you lose automatically for referencing that site.

PFF? your better than that

they also said preseason that JPP was statistically the worst DE in tyhe league last year and that Rolle was the worst Saftey in the league this year...

awful kase, just awful site references
Id LOVE to see the link where they say that JPP was the worst DE in the league, thats just laughable

Rolle didnt have a great season (playing out of position half of the time) but there's no way he was the worst Safety in the league

If you're gonna make these claims how bout you back it up with facts and links rather than opinions, I make my claims and back them up with factsm links and numbers, you back your claims up with more claims and opinions

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 02:00 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</P>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</P>


LAWYERED!!!!</P>


Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty
</P>


games started.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 02:01 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air


why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately
Weak arguments cause they go against what you believe in?!?!?!

PLEASE, Diehl is consistently rated THEE worst OT in the NFL as well as THEE worst OG in the NFL this past season and you guys still think he's great!?!?!?!

Well cause I have no way of telling how many games he played OT and how many times he came in as en extra blocking TE, do you???


well pretty much ALL of the 2010 season. I think he played like 2 games at the actual TACKLE position.

He had a PUTRID year at the Guard position and if we were talking about the guard positio i'd agree with you, but we're not

Since Diehl moved to tackle our offensive averaged 50 more yards a game, .8 more yards per carry, and .7 sacks LESS per game.

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 02:02 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty
pizz, what bank do you work at so i know never to bank there? [:D]

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 02:04 PM
you lose automatically for referencing that site.

PFF? your better than that

they also said preseason that JPP was statistically the worst DE in tyhe league last year and that Rolle was the worst Saftey in the league this year...

awful kase, just awful site references
Id LOVE to see the link where they say that JPP was the worst DE in the league, thats just laughable

Rolle didnt have a great season (playing out of position half of the time) but there's no way he was the worst Safety in the league

If you're gonna make these claims how bout you back it up with facts and links rather than opinions, I make my claims and back them up with factsm links and numbers, you back your claims up with more claims and opinions


it was all over the TAGF preseason

I looked for it but couldn't find it again...

I am just disputing your facts. Mentioning games played has no real bearing on judging what you want to be judged.

go do the math of games started at tackle, or even plays played on protection..

The fact that you would give Beatty credit for that many games obviously jades those stats.

There are no real stats for things like this. Thats why PFF is so successful, because they try and i commend them for that. I actually appreciate their effort and what they accomplish, but they are dramatically off on alot of what they say.

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 02:05 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</P>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</P>


LAWYERED!!!!</P>


Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty
pizz, what bank do you work at so i know never to bank there? [:D]
</P>


again, someone is just assuming that Beatty played nearly as many snaps as Diehl, which he did not....in ANY season.
My stat was for games started....just like Kase said earlier (wrong)....so take it or leave it. Beatty isnt some amazing LT</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 02:05 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty


thats just a complete hype of numbers and doesn't represent the argument at hand at all...

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 02:06 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....
WTF, well I dont like mustard and califlower that doesnt mean they dont exist in the real world

It was an article about pass protection efficency, just cause it goes against your arguments doesnt mean its BS or fake or whatever you guys are trying to say
I just dont like averaging numbers. Anything can be added to make one look better or worse.
Look at the stat with Deihl at guard on 280 snaps. He only gave up pressure a little over 10% of the time. Thats good. The article shot itself in the foot with that one imo

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 02:07 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....


stats don't tell the story unless your measuing fantasy football or rewards type things...

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:11 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


<font size="6">4 times as many games played</font>....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>


Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty
</p>


games started.</p>Really cause you originally said games played

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 02:15 PM
Really cause you originally said games played
</P>


I realize that, and i apologize. I was referring back to my original point that in 3 seasons time, Diehl hasstarted44 out of 48 possible games.
In that same time frame Beatty started 16 games.</P>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:20 PM
Diehl is a great team player, and I want him to retire here, but we have better LT options on our team, and his name is Will Beatty


i'm sorry but Diehl and Beatty are pretty equal in pass protection

They are not very equal in run blocking or staying healthy.
OK now you're just pulling stuff out of your wahzoo

Beatty is leaps and bounds better at pass protection
Diehl is better at run blocking

Diehl has also been in the league 9 years and still cant step up his pass protection, Beatty has gotten better and better with his run blocking <font color="#0000ff">each season that he started

</font>
</p>


soooooo a few games here and there?? lol....you make it sound like they guy has played a ton of football for us, and that he has started alot. apparently he has started 16 games for us. the first 2 years only as a necessity.
I'm not knocking on the guy. I think he did play well, but it's a relatively small sample size: 16 out of 48 games.</p>1st season didnt play
2nd season played a decent amount
3rd season our starting LT and gets injured 10 games into the season

Not a ton of games, but when he played he played damned good. Take your time guys, ill put this debate on hold if you guy wanna go back and focus on Beatty...... Dont worry, Ill wait
youre trying to say Beatty is better without any facts to back it up.
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

When it comes to numbers thats about all you'll get from the OL

http://stats.profootballweekly.com/team/giants/roster/

David Diehl finished dead last in the league with a pass blocking
efficiency rating of 90.4. The pass blocking efficiency rating takes
into account sacks, quarterback hits allowed, quarterback hurries
allowed divided by the number of pass blocking snaps. The soon to be
free agent, Kareem McKenzie, came in only 12 slots better in overall
ranking with a 92.7 efficiency ratio. Finally, Will Beatty, in his
first year as starting LT, came in 50<sup>th</sup> out of 75 with a 93.6 rating. - http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/

But I know that Matt wont take those stats seriously he hates PFF

...But as you guys all know Im just making this all up out of thin air


why don't you average out games played at tackle vs games played period

And i'm sorry, but two years ago when he got to come in as the unbalanced tight end doesn't really count in this debate. If your trying to make the stats argument thats fine... but ur not going to include games where he got in on plays... Average out sacks given up at the tackle position vs passing snaps at the tackle position....

whats with u and the general weak statistical arguments lately
Weak arguments cause they go against what you believe in?!?!?!

PLEASE, Diehl is consistently rated THEE worst OT in the NFL as well as THEE worst OG in the NFL this past season and you guys still think he's great!?!?!?!

Well cause I have no way of telling how many games he played OT and how many times he came in as en extra blocking TE, do you???


well pretty much ALL of the 2010 season. I think he played like 2 games at the actual TACKLE position.

He had a PUTRID year at the Guard position and if we were talking about the guard positio i'd agree with you, but we're not

Since Diehl moved to tackle our offensive averaged 50 more yards a game, .8 more yards per carry, and .7 sacks LESS per game.



Bradshaw
3.9ypc with Beatty
3.6ypc after Beatty

Jacobs
3.1ypc with Beatty
4.3ypc after Beatty

Close numbers, Ill give you that. See I can admit when the stats arent greatly in my favor. Not everyone is right 100% of the time, then again I never said Beatty was a key piece to our Run Game

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:22 PM
Diehl has allowed 22 sacks in 3 seasons himself
Beatty allowed 5 sacks in 3 seasons

</p>


4 times as many games played....4 times as many sacks allowed</p>


LAWYERED!!!!</p>Diehl played 44 games in 3 seasons
Beatty played 34 games in 3 seasons

if you think 44 is 4x as many games as 34 then you need to write a letter to the Poughkeepsie Public School System and ask for your childhood back

But yes, in 3 seasons Diehl has almost 4x as many sacks allowed as Beatty


thats just a complete hype of numbers and doesn't represent the argument at hand at all...


OHHH thats right, cause it disagrees with your stance, right??

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 02:22 PM
He does wear a scarf...

http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/10557363-large.jpg

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:25 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....
WTF, well I dont like mustard and califlower that doesnt mean they dont exist in the real world

It was an article about pass protection efficency, just cause it goes against your arguments doesnt mean its BS or fake or whatever you guys are trying to say
I just dont like averaging numbers. Anything can be added to make one look better or worse.
Look at the stat with Deihl at guard on 280 snaps. He only gave up pressure a little over 10% of the time. Thats good. The article shot itself in the foot with that one imo
It was just a little over 10% but that same 10% was the WORST IN THE NFL. I know it sounds good, hell I looked at the article and had to do a double take at his actual effiecency %

OK so you dont like averages, so then the YPC, Pass YPG, YAC, etc are all just BS stats in your mind???

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 02:26 PM
Not everyone is right 100% of the time
Except Morehead

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:27 PM
He does wear a scarf...

http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/10557363-large.jpg
That looks like a custom NYG/Croatian Flag scarf. I know Double Deuce has MAAAAAD Croat pride and I was LOVING it when I saw him with the scarf!!!!

Dont get it wrong guys, Double Deuce is one of my fav Giants and IMO a 1st ballot Ring Of Honor inductee, but at this point in his career I believe he's best suited either at RT or coming off the bench.

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 02:28 PM
Daniel von Bargen -- who played Mr. Kruger in "Seinfeld"
-- is clinging to life in an Ohio hospital after shooting himself in
the head Monday morning in a failed suicide attempt ... and TMZ has the
horrifying 911 tape in which he calls for help.

Daniel tells the 911 operator, "I've shot myself in the head ... and I need help."

The
operator asks if it was an accident -- Daniel replies, "I was supposed
to go to the hospital and I didn't want to." Daniel says he's diabetic,
explaining, "They were supposed to amputate at least a few toes."

The operator asks where the gunshot wound is -- Daniel replies, "I shot in my temple."
<br dir="ltr" id="tinymce" class="mceContentBody " contenteditable="true">Law
enforcement officials confirm they were dispatched to von Bargen's
Cincinnati apartment complex a short time later -- and when they
arrived, you can hear them on the 911 tape ... yelling at Daniel to keep
his hands where they could see them.

Von Bargen -- who also played Chief Grady in "Super Troopers" -- was transported to a nearby hospital where he is currently in critical condition.

<font color="#0000FF">WOW!!! How do you screw that up? lol</font>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Really cause you originally said games played
</p>


I realize that, and i apologize. I was referring back to my original point that in 3 seasons time, Diehl hasstarted44 out of 48 possible games.
In that same time frame Beatty started 16 games.</p>Diehl is also a 9year vet who has been a starting fixture on our OL since '03, Beatty just finished his 3rd year.

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 02:32 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....
WTF, well I dont like mustard and califlower that doesnt mean they dont exist in the real world

It was an article about pass protection efficency, just cause it goes against your arguments doesnt mean its BS or fake or whatever you guys are trying to say
I just dont like averaging numbers. Anything can be added to make one look better or worse.
Look at the stat with Deihl at guard on 280 snaps. He only gave up pressure a little over 10% of the time. Thats good. The article shot itself in the foot with that one imo
It was just a little over 10% but that same 10% was the WORST IN THE NFL. I know it sounds good, hell I looked at the article and had to do a double take at his actual effiecency %

OK so you dont like averages, so then the <u>YPC, Pass YPG, YAC, etc are all just BS stats in your mind???</u>
lol If hes the worst at being good, ill still take him.

No, I dont like evaluating a player by averaging all of his numbers, like they did with Deihl.

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:34 PM
Daniel von Bargen -- who played Mr. Kruger in "Seinfeld"
-- is clinging to life in an Ohio hospital after shooting himself in
the head Monday morning in a failed suicide attempt ... and TMZ has the
horrifying 911 tape in which he calls for help.

Daniel tells the 911 operator, "I've shot myself in the head ... and I need help."

The
operator asks if it was an accident -- Daniel replies, "I was supposed
to go to the hospital and I didn't want to." Daniel says he's diabetic,
explaining, "They were supposed to amputate at least a few toes."

The operator asks where the gunshot wound is -- Daniel replies, "I shot in my temple."
<br dir="ltr" id="tinymce" class="mceContentBody " contenteditable="true">Law
enforcement officials confirm they were dispatched to von Bargen's
Cincinnati apartment complex a short time later -- and when they
arrived, you can hear them on the 911 tape ... yelling at Daniel to keep
his hands where they could see them.

Von Bargen -- who also played Chief Grady in "Super Troopers" -- was transported to a nearby hospital where he is currently in critical condition.

<font color="#0000FF">WOW!!! How do you screw that up? lol</font>
http://www.acreativedesktop.com/supertroopers/chief-grady-super-troopers_opt.jpg

He shot himself in the temple and ISNT dead, what'd he shoot himself with, a BB gun or a .17 pistol???

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:37 PM
and also while we're on the subject since when is SACKS the only stat that we're interested in mentioning about pass protection?

Sacks ISNT the only stat, its the easiest to find and its the only other one available other than the stats on PFF, but you disagree with their numbers, LOL
I dont like that particular article because it averaged everything. They might as well avg the receiving and passing yards into it as well....
WTF, well I dont like mustard and califlower that doesnt mean they dont exist in the real world

It was an article about pass protection efficency, just cause it goes against your arguments doesnt mean its BS or fake or whatever you guys are trying to say
I just dont like averaging numbers. Anything can be added to make one look better or worse.
Look at the stat with Deihl at guard on 280 snaps. He only gave up pressure a little over 10% of the time. Thats good. The article shot itself in the foot with that one imo
It was just a little over 10% but that same 10% was the WORST IN THE NFL. I know it sounds good, hell I looked at the article and had to do a double take at his actual effiecency %

OK so you dont like averages, so then the <u>YPC, Pass YPG, YAC, etc are all just BS stats in your mind???</u>
lol If hes the worst at being good, ill still take him.

No, I dont like evaluating a player by averaging all of his numbers, like they did with Deihl.
Its not like he was #10 in the top 10 best OT's

In 2011 he was ranked 75th out of 75 OT's and 72nd out of 72 OG's

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:39 PM
lol If hes the worst at being good, ill still take him.

No, I dont like evaluating a player by averaging all of his numbers, like they did with Deihl.
And I dont like califlower, that doesnt mean it isnt real, LOL

....Weird cause I really like broccoli

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:49 PM
I took this fight out of the ring

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Ppv2.jpg

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 02:54 PM
I took this fight out of the ring

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Ppv2.jpg
</P>


Mick Foley = THEE mother****ing man. period.

his book H.A.N.D. was an awesome read!</P>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 02:57 PM
I took this fight out of the ring

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Ppv2.jpg
</p>


Mick Foley = THEE mother****ing man. period.

his book H.A.N.D. was an awesome read!</p>TOTALLY AGREED!!!!!!

Id LOVE to read his book

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 03:07 PM
I could totally picture Matt looking like that in 20 years.

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 03:22 PM
I could totally picture Matt looking like that in 20 years.
</P>


lol scary!!</P>


<FONT size=1>but totally accurate.</FONT></P>

dezzzR
02-22-2012, 03:49 PM
I took this fight out of the ring

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Ppv2.jpg
Until I choke slammed you back in.....
http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1116404.jpg
onto a bunch of thumb tacks

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/de/36/wwe-hell-in-a-cell-20081014021011809_640w.jpg



best fake fight of all time.

JPizzack
02-22-2012, 04:04 PM
best fake fight of all time.
</P>


lol it definitely was. there is nothing fake about being THROWN off a 20 foot cage and bouncing off announcers tables ringside. how do you fake that? lol</P>

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 04:11 PM
best fake fight of all time.
</p>


lol it definitely was. there is nothing fake about being THROWN off a 20 foot cage and bouncing off announcers tables ringside. how do you fake that? lol</p>
Yeah, wrong choice of words. Staged fight maybe but nothing fake about that pain.

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 04:23 PM
best fake fight of all time.
</p>


lol it definitely was. there is nothing fake about being THROWN off a 20 foot cage and bouncing off announcers tables ringside. how do you fake that? lol</p>
Yeah, wrong choice of words. Staged fight maybe but nothing fake about that pain.
Anyone remember ECW???

Now THAT was insane 'rasslin!!!!!

It was on at like midnight or something on MSG on friday or saturdays

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 04:23 PM
YES Network just got Lou Pinella lol

awesome

i wonder if him and Paulie will do any games together, prob not

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 04:24 PM
ECW was the ****

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 04:24 PM
Does D Wade have a small head or are rims that big? lol

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0221/nba_g_wade_288.jpg

bigblue4417
02-22-2012, 04:27 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8"><span id="eow-title" class="" dir="ltr" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments
</span></a></h1>


</p>

WOW, lol</p>


</p>

Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 04:31 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8"><span id="eow-title" class="" dir="ltr" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments
</span></a></h1>


</p>

WOW, lol</p>


</p>

Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 04:39 PM
I took this fight out of the ring

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/9/9b/Ppv2.jpg
Until I choke slammed you back in.....
http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1116404.jpg
onto a bunch of thumb tacks

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/de/36/wwe-hell-in-a-cell-20081014021011809_640w.jpg



best fake fight of all time.
classic match! Ranks up there with Macho Man Savage vs Ricky the Dragon Steamboat! I remember reading in Mick Foley's first book, that the Undertaker was a little apprehensive with throwing Foley off the cage.

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 04:40 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8"><span id="eow-title" class="" dir="ltr" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments
</span></a></h1>


</p>

WOW, lol</p>


</p>

Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler


LT whooped his *** at Wrestlemania

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 04:49 PM
classic match! Ranks up there with Macho Man Savage vs Ricky the Dragon Steamboat! I remember reading in Mick Foley's first book, that the Undertaker was a little apprehensive with throwing Foley off the cage.Never a fan of 'The Taker, thats funny though that he was the one who was apprehensive about throwing Mick off the Hell In The Cell. Mick Foley was one crazy bastage from his Cactus Jack to Dude Love to Mankind days, he is what Rasslin should constantly aspire to be...


HAVE A NICE DAY!!?!?!?!
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/620/850/mankind2_display_image.jpg?1294433893

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 04:50 PM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well! Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</P>


</P>


I still like Bam Bam. My wife met him, well not face to face, in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City. She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery. She got me an autographed picture of him.</P>


</P>


My step-father also met him numerous times. Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger. He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then. He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!! From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</P>


</P>


</P>

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 04:51 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8"><span id="eow-title" class="" dir="ltr" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments
</span></a></h1>


</p>

WOW, lol</p>


</p>

Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler


LT whooped his *** at Wrestlemania
I heard Jacobs is gonna be in some kind of rasslin match, not sure if its WWF or whatever league, but I hope he does it like LT and STOMPS EM OUT!!!!!

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 04:54 PM
classic match! Ranks up there with Macho Man Savage vs Ricky the Dragon Steamboat! I remember reading in Mick Foley's first book, that the Undertaker was a little apprehensive with throwing Foley off the cage.Never a fan of 'The Taker, thats funny though that he was the one who was apprehensive about throwing Mick off the Hell In The Cell. Mick Foley was one crazy bastage from his Cactus Jack to Dude Love to Mankind days, he is what Rasslin should constantly aspire to be...


HAVE A NICE DAY!!?!?!?!
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/620/850/mankind2_display_image.jpg?1294433893
yeah kase, they try to make today's rasslin a little more PG I guess, well when it comes to the blood and violence at least---LOL!!! Its not real PG when you see these females wrestling half naked---LOL!!</P>


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Mike Foley and his wife were recently on that celebrity wife swap show about a month ago. His wife switched places with Antonio Sabato's wife.</P>

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 04:59 PM
<H1 id=watch-headline-title><SPAN dir=ltr id=eow-title title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments </SPAN> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8)</H1>



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WOW, lol</P>



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Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</P>


WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler


LT whooped his *** at Wrestlemania
I heard Jacobs is gonna be in some kind of rasslin match, not sure if its WWF or whatever league, but I hope he does it like LT and STOMPS EM OUT!!!!!
Yeah kase, Jacobs had a "confrontation" last week on that TNA wrestling, with Bubba Ray Dudley or whatever name he is going by now. </P>


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I think it led up to a match this week, which may air tomorrow night at 8 or 9pm on spike tv? </P>


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I will try to post the link from last weeks show with Jacobs.</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocCookcmi0</P>


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Kase-1
02-22-2012, 05:01 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><span dir="ltr" id="eow-title" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments </span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8)</h1>



</p>


WOW, lol</p>



</p>


Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>


WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler


LT whooped his *** at Wrestlemania
I heard Jacobs is gonna be in some kind of rasslin match, not sure if its WWF or whatever league, but I hope he does it like LT and STOMPS EM OUT!!!!!
Yeah kase, Jacobs had a "confrontation" last week on that TNA wrestling, with Bubba Ray Dudley or whatever name he is going by now. </p>


</p>


I think it led up to a match this week, which may air tomorrow night at 8 or 9pm on spike tv? </p>


</p>


I will try to post the link from last weeks show with Jacobs.</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocCookcmi0</p>


</p>LOL, My buddy Ed thought it was Bubba Ray Dudley, we only saw the youtube clip but thats funny, I didnt realize that was him.

Dudley Boys were a NASTY tag team back in ECW

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 05:04 PM
yeah kase, they were bad *** in the day! I rank them in the top 5 of all time. I liked the Road Warriors/Legion of Doom, the British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Dudley's, and the Hardy's.

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 05:08 PM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well! Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</p>


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I still like Bam Bam. My wife met him, well not face to face, in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City. She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery. She got me an autographed picture of him.</p>


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My step-father also met him numerous times. Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger. He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then. He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!! From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</p>


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haha thats ****in awesome

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 05:08 PM
<h1 id="watch-headline-title"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxVo5K3y4P8"><span id="eow-title" class="" dir="ltr" title="ECW Extreme Moments">ECW Extreme Moments
</span></a></h1>


</p>

WOW, lol</p>


</p>

Bam Bam Bigelo was the man lol
</p>WOW, that brought back some good ol memories!!!!

I loved how when it got CRAZY people didnt chant for a specific wrestler, they just chanted 'ECW, ECW, ECW' cause they knew it was the most gangsta, ultra badass rasslin you're ever gonna see, it was the league not the specific rassler


LT whooped his *** at Wrestlemania
I heard Jacobs is gonna be in some kind of rasslin match, not sure if its WWF or whatever league, but I hope he does it like LT and STOMPS EM OUT!!!!!
haha I watched it last week, it was impact wrestling or something like that

MattMeyerBud
02-22-2012, 05:11 PM
yeah kase, they were bad *** in the day! I rank them in the top 5 of all time. I liked the Road Warriors/Legion of Doom, the British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Dudley's, and the Hardy's.

i hated that dorky one... the black dude and bubba ray were cool

LOD was prob my favorite

Rockers were legit

bushwackers were just nuts lol

i always had a soft spot for demolition

http://lostwrestlers.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Demolition.159170839_std.jpg

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 05:18 PM
Yeah Demolition was bad *** as well. The Rockers were high flyers and risk takers as well. Maybe somewhat pretty boys as well--LOL!!</P>


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The bushwackers were comic relief. They had a few title shots, but were there more to make the fans laugh.</P>


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The Powers of Pain were another bad *** tag team---they did not stay together as long. </P>


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Kase-1
02-22-2012, 05:26 PM
yeah kase, they were bad *** in the day! I rank them in the top 5 of all time. I liked the Road Warriors/Legion of Doom, the British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Dudley's, and the Hardy's.How badass is it that James Lauranitis' dad was 1 of the members of the LOD

No mention of the Bushwackers, Money Inc., The Natural Disasters, Nasty Boyz, or Harlem Heat?!?!?

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 05:33 PM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well! Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</p>


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I still like Bam Bam. My wife met him, well not face to face, in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City. She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery. She got me an autographed picture of him.</p>


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My step-father also met him numerous times. Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger. He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then. He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!! From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</p>


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Thats so F'n cool!!!!

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 05:34 PM
OMG how'd I forget The Rockers and Demolition!?!?!?!

Morehead State
02-23-2012, 06:32 AM
Happy Birthday Scrappy!!!!!!!!!

tonyt830
02-23-2012, 07:11 AM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well!* Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</p>


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I still like Bam Bam.* My wife met him, well not face to face,* in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City.* She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery.* She got me an autographed picture of him.</p>


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My step-father also met him numerous times.* Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger.* He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then.* He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!!* From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</p>


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Thats so F'n cool!!!!
Oh and later on, my step-dad's brother used to have a auto parts shop in Asbury Park/Neptune area. Bam Bam used to come in there and get parts for his vehicle. They would say that he was a good guy and was no different than any of us, except for being a 350 lb beast with the flame tats on his head---LOL!!!

MattMeyerBud
02-23-2012, 09:15 AM
OMG how'd I forget The Rockers and Demolition!?!?!?!




Marty Jenette : The forgotton man

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 09:53 AM
OMG how'd I forget The Rockers and Demolition!?!?!?!




Marty Jenette : The forgotton man
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yea he really is lol.
HBK was always one of my favorite wrestlers though. He was awesome</P>


When i was in high school I liked the Hardy Boys. I remember watching Wrestlemania 16 in 2000, and there was a TLC match....Hardy Boys vsDudley Boys vs.Edge&amp;Christian.
It was the most badass, hardcore fight ever. lol
The best was Jeff Hardy jumping off a ladder taller than most i have seen...something a human has no business standing on...and doing his swanton bomb flip thing onto a table...COMPLETELY missing it basically, and landing right on his tailbone. It made most people cringe watching it. </P>

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 09:56 AM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well! Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</p>


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I still like Bam Bam. My wife met him, well not face to face, in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City. She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery. She got me an autographed picture of him.</p>


</p>


My step-father also met him numerous times. Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger. He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then. He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!! From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</p>


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Thats so F'n cool!!!!
Oh and later on, my step-dad's brother used to have a auto parts shop in Asbury Park/Neptune area. Bam Bam used to come in there and get parts for his vehicle. They would say that he was a good guy and was no different than any of us, except for being a 350 lb beast with the flame tats on his head---LOL!!!LOL

Def need to be weary of anyone with face/head tatoos

Thats pretty cool

MattMeyerBud
02-23-2012, 10:07 AM
And Matt, if I remember correctly, LT got a cool mil just for taht 1 match as well! Yeah I did not think that the McMahon would have LT lose and make it a long running rivalry back and forth type of thing.</p>


</p>


I still like Bam Bam. My wife met him, well not face to face, in the recovery room at Jersey Shore medical center in Neptune City. She was getting her gall bladder out and he got some sort of arm/elbow surgery. She got me an autographed picture of him.</p>


</p>


My step-father also met him numerous times. Bam Bam was a student in high school, when my step-father used to drive a bus when he was younger. He said "Scotty" was a bad *** then. He wrestled in high school, but he still has his hair and no flame tats on the skull yet---LOL!! From what he has told me, Bam Bam would kick the **** out of the punks at the high school when he saw them bullying others.</p>


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Thats so F'n cool!!!!
Oh and later on, my step-dad's brother used to have a auto parts shop in Asbury Park/Neptune area. Bam Bam used to come in there and get parts for his vehicle. They would say that he was a good guy and was no different than any of us, except for being a 350 lb beast with the flame tats on his head---LOL!!!LOL

Def need to be weary of anyone with face/head tatoos

Thats pretty cool


except daven

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 10:28 AM
Since yesterday we did Diehl vs Beatty, how do you guys stand on our LBs??

Personally I think Goff will come back and pick up like he never missed a beat, he's not really an injury prone guy and in 2010 he was def starting to come into his own as our on field DC and arguably the best run stopper on the team, hell even his coverage was picking up

I wouldnt mind us staying put with LBs, keeping our base starters as Kiwi, Goff, and Boley and our nickel guys as JQ and Boley. Even with G. Jones, Herzlich, Blackburn, and JQ as depth we're not looking too shabby

I do like how Vontaze Burfict seems to be dropping in everyone's pre-combine rankings, maybe we can get him in the 2nd (if we're lucky)

MattMeyerBud
02-23-2012, 10:30 AM
not sure we resign Goff

I would think we keep Blackburn over him. JWill kind of earned alot of playing time. i think we're actually going to stay pat with LBers unless we have a value in the draft.

tonyt830
02-23-2012, 10:36 AM
Since yesterday we did Diehl vs Beatty, how do you guys stand on our LBs??

Personally I think Goff will come back and pick up like he never missed a beat, he's not really an injury prone guy and in 2010 he was def starting to come into his own as our on field DC and arguably the best run stopper on the team, hell even his coverage was picking up

I wouldnt mind us staying put with LBs, keeping our base starters as Kiwi, Goff, and Boley and our nickel guys as JQ and Boley. Even with G. Jones, Herzlich, Blackburn, and JQ as depth we're not looking too shabby

I do like how Vontaze Burfict seems to be dropping in everyone's pre-combine rankings, maybe we can get him in the 2nd (if we're lucky)
I think Burfict could drop into the 2nd rd. Now will he be there at 64 for us to snag? I just worry about his over aggressiveness, when it comes to the personal fouls etc.


I like Goff, and since I have been down here in Tennessee, I have rooted for Vandy, since most people down here root for UT. Goff was a very good LB for the Commodores. So I hope to see him come back healthy and productive again.


Now I know it may not happen, but I would love to see the kid from BC, Keuchly, drop to 32 for us. I would be ok with Boley at the Will, Keuchly at the mike, and lets give Goff a shot at the Sam. We then can move Kiwi up to DE. And yes, who knows what happens between now and the draft with Osi.


I would like to see Blackburn re-signed for depth, Jones, Herzlich, and DeOssie(I know ST and long snapper mostly) as depth.


If Keuchly is gone before we draft, then maybe we look for a diamond in the rough in the later rounds.

edit---oops forgot Williams when I was speaking of depth---he might be our future Will backer.

tonyt830
02-23-2012, 10:40 AM
not sure we resign Goff

I would think we keep Blackburn over him. JWill kind of earned alot of playing time. i think we're actually going to stay pat with LBers unless we have a value in the draft.


Personally I would be ok with standing pat at LB. I say lets strengthen our DBs and keep our pass rush fierce!


Maybe Goff gets a reasonable 1 yr deal like Kiwi got last year, to show how he has recovered from the ACL injury.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:12 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in
Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <font color="#0000FF"><font size="4">other
times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout.
But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</font>

<font color="#000000">You ready to concede yet Kase? </font>
</font>

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:13 AM
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/manningtomiami.jpg?w=230

Morehead State
02-23-2012, 11:14 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>other times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout. But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>You ready to concede yet Kase? </FONT>
</FONT></P>


Kase has already won.</P>


It is YOU that needs to concede.</P>

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:15 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in
Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <font color="#0000FF"><font size="4">other
times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout.
But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</font>

<font color="#000000">You ready to concede yet Kase? </font>
</font>Never in my LIFETIME!!!!!

Thats a joke of a franchise barely able to get their games on TV, we are talking about 100% vs 105%

..Thanks for bringing this up again Lando, ya bastage!!!!

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:18 AM
not sure we resign Goff

I would think we keep Blackburn over him. JWill kind of earned alot of playing time. i think we're actually going to stay pat with LBers unless we have a value in the draft.


I can see us giving him at least a 1 year deal, its not like Goff has a history of leg injuries.

I can see us keeping Chase in addition to Goff, Chase is a great STer and a blessing to have as depth for us. That being said I would rather us look in another direction for the future

I see JQ as a great depth/nickel LB/Joker LB at this point in time. Then again for a rookie he played AMAZINGLY and will probably see the field a TON, just not as a 'starter'

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:24 AM
Since yesterday we did Diehl vs Beatty, how do you guys stand on our LBs??

Personally I think Goff will come back and pick up like he never missed a beat, he's not really an injury prone guy and in 2010 he was def starting to come into his own as our on field DC and arguably the best run stopper on the team, hell even his coverage was picking up

I wouldnt mind us staying put with LBs, keeping our base starters as Kiwi, Goff, and Boley and our nickel guys as JQ and Boley. Even with G. Jones, Herzlich, Blackburn, and JQ as depth we're not looking too shabby

I do like how Vontaze Burfict seems to be dropping in everyone's pre-combine rankings, maybe we can get him in the 2nd (if we're lucky)
I think Burfict could drop into the 2nd rd. Now will he be there at 64 for us to snag? I just worry about his over aggressiveness, when it comes to the personal fouls etc.


I like Goff, and since I have been down here in Tennessee, I have rooted for Vandy, since most people down here root for UT. Goff was a very good LB for the Commodores. So I hope to see him come back healthy and productive again.


Now I know it may not happen, but I would love to see the kid from BC, Keuchly, drop to 32 for us. I would be ok with Boley at the Will, Keuchly at the mike, and lets give Goff a shot at the Sam. We then can move Kiwi up to DE. And yes, who knows what happens between now and the draft with Osi.


I would like to see Blackburn re-signed for depth, Jones, Herzlich, and DeOssie(I know ST and long snapper mostly) as depth.


If Keuchly is gone before we draft, then maybe we look for a diamond in the rough in the later rounds.

edit---oops forgot Williams when I was speaking of depth---he might be our future Will backer.I think its Burfict's onfield insanity that drives me towards him, LOL. I dont know why, but he seems to be plumetting on everyones draft boards. He may be a psychopath ON the field but off the field is a diff story from what I hear

I havent really looked Keutchy up, but I hear a ton about him on the MBs

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:27 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in
Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <font color="#0000FF"><font size="4">other
times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout.
But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</font>

<font color="#000000">You ready to concede yet Kase? </font>
</font>Never in my LIFETIME!!!!!

Thats a joke of a franchise barely able to get their games on TV, we are talking about 100% vs 105%

..Thanks for bringing this up again Lando, ya bastage!!!!

NO, we are talking about what a "SELLOUT" is.

If you sell a designated amount of tickets it's considered a sellout. If you can't buy a seat in the building that is a true sellout. Can we agree on that?

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:29 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <font color="#0000ff"><font size="4">other times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout. But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</font>

<font color="#000000">You ready to concede yet Kase? </font>
</font></p>


Kase has already won.</p>


It is YOU that needs to concede.</p>
When I'm wrong I will [:)]

Morehead State
02-23-2012, 11:30 AM
For some home games the Jaguars are blacked out on local television in Jacksonville because they haven’t sold out their stadium, and <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=4>other times the blackout is lifted because the game is designated a sellout. But even those “sellouts” are played in a stadium that’s far from full.
</FONT>

<FONT color=#000000>You ready to concede yet Kase? </FONT>
</FONT>Never in my LIFETIME!!!!!

Thats a joke of a franchise barely able to get their games on TV, we are talking about 100% vs 105%

..Thanks for bringing this up again Lando, ya bastage!!!!

NO, we are talking about what a "SELLOUT" is.

If you sell a designated amount of tickets it's considered a sellout. If you can't buy a seat in the building that is a true sellout. Can we agree on that?
</P>


A "sellout" is whatever I say it is.</P>


For instance.......Nickelback.</P>

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 11:31 AM
omg who cares.
who cares about sell outs....who cares about this argument. hockey is the least popular sport hands down. i dont even know what the argument is about anymore. lol

so terrible...sooooooo terrible....

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:34 AM
<h4>5. Tweet Of The Night</h4>
<div class="mod-content">
<div class="gradient-container">
<div class="col-full">

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet">

Great team win!! S/o to all the
fans makin msg the best place to play! <font color="#0000FF">And thanks to the ny giants for
always showin up to support.</font></p>— Jeremy Lin ( @JLin7 )




<font color="#0000FF">Does this guy not know what to capitalize? He did go to Harvard. lol</font>
</blockquote></div></div></div>

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:36 AM
omg who cares.
who cares about sell outs....who cares about this argument. hockey is the least popular sport hands down. i dont even know what the argument is about anymore. lol

so terrible...sooooooo terrible....
We all know hockey is the least popular sport nationally. Regardless if Kase wants to admit or not.

I just want him to understand what a "sellout" truly is.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:37 AM
A "sellout" is whatever I say it is.

Once your music goes mainstream will you sellout? I liked the new song by the way.

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 11:38 AM
Daniel von Bargen -- who played Mr. Kruger in "Seinfeld"
-- is clinging to life in an Ohio hospital after shooting himself in
the head Monday morning in a failed suicide attempt ... and TMZ has the
horrifying 911 tape in which he calls for help.

Daniel tells the 911 operator, "I've shot myself in the head ... and I need help."

The
operator asks if it was an accident -- Daniel replies, "I was supposed
to go to the hospital and I didn't want to." Daniel says he's diabetic,
explaining, "They were supposed to amputate at least a few toes."

The operator asks where the gunshot wound is -- Daniel replies, "I shot in my temple."
<br dir="ltr" id="tinymce" class="mceContentBody " contenteditable="true">Law
enforcement officials confirm they were dispatched to von Bargen's
Cincinnati apartment complex a short time later -- and when they
arrived, you can hear them on the 911 tape ... yelling at Daniel to keep
his hands where they could see them.

Von Bargen -- who also played Chief Grady in "Super Troopers" -- was transported to a nearby hospital where he is currently in critical condition.

<font color="#0000FF">WOW!!! How do you screw that up? lol</font>
http://www.acreativedesktop.com/supertroopers/chief-grady-super-troopers_opt.jpg

He shot himself in the temple and ISNT dead, what'd he shoot himself with, a BB gun or a .17 pistol???
ah Dammm, Grady's the man : "Desperation is a stinky cologne---- I will have the enchilada platter with two tacos and no guacamoles. Smy? ."

Scrappy's b-day today? Enjoy !

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 11:39 AM
if any of you are bored go to stumbleupon.com.

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 11:41 AM
omg who cares.
who cares about sell outs....who cares about this argument. hockey is the least popular sport hands down. i dont even know what the argument is about anymore. lol

so terrible...sooooooo terrible....LOL It's in part about Hockey and it's popularity but at this point, I think it's about the debate. I give both side big kudos for their fight on this one.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:41 AM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:43 AM
Daniel von Bargen -- who played Mr. Kruger in "Seinfeld"
-- is clinging to life in an Ohio hospital after shooting himself in
the head Monday morning in a failed suicide attempt ... and TMZ has the
horrifying 911 tape in which he calls for help.

Daniel tells the 911 operator, "I've shot myself in the head ... and I need help."

The
operator asks if it was an accident -- Daniel replies, "I was supposed
to go to the hospital and I didn't want to." Daniel says he's diabetic,
explaining, "They were supposed to amputate at least a few toes."

The operator asks where the gunshot wound is -- Daniel replies, "I shot in my temple."
<br dir="ltr" id="tinymce" class="mceContentBody " contenteditable="true">Law
enforcement officials confirm they were dispatched to von Bargen's
Cincinnati apartment complex a short time later -- and when they
arrived, you can hear them on the 911 tape ... yelling at Daniel to keep
his hands where they could see them.

Von Bargen -- who also played Chief Grady in "Super Troopers" -- was transported to a nearby hospital where he is currently in critical condition.

<font color="#0000FF">WOW!!! How do you screw that up? lol</font>
http://www.acreativedesktop.com/supertroopers/chief-grady-super-troopers_opt.jpg

He shot himself in the temple and ISNT dead, what'd he shoot himself with, a BB gun or a .17 pistol???
ah Dammm, Grady's the man : "Desperation is a stinky cologne---- I will have the enchilada platter with two tacos and no guacamoles. Smy? ."

Scrappy's b-day today? Enjoy !'I dont get it'
-They THINK im Mexican....
'You're NOT Mexican!?!?'

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 11:43 AM
I REALLY hope the Knicks beat the Heat tonight...

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 11:44 AM
if any of you are bored go to stumbleupon.com.
Very cool site

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/642324/4unb7.jpg

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:44 AM
omg who cares.
who cares about sell outs....who cares about this argument. hockey is the least popular sport hands down. i dont even know what the argument is about anymore. lol

so terrible...sooooooo terrible....
We all know hockey is the least popular sport nationally. Regardless if Kase wants to admit or not.

I just want him to understand what a "sellout" truly is.
Least popular TV ratings wise

[;)]

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:46 AM
http://soniceditions.com/library/public-enemy-17SM_o_tn.jpg


<font size="6">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk)</font>

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 11:49 AM
http://soniceditions.com/library/public-enemy-17SM_o_tn.jpg


<font size="6">FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk)</font>
I know they are smiling after this past season.

Dezz-I gotta put the ixxnay on stumbleupon for work--their babes are too graphic, but I be stumblin at home.

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:49 AM
omg who cares.
who cares about sell outs....who cares about this argument. hockey is the least popular sport hands down. i dont even know what the argument is about anymore. lol

so terrible...sooooooo terrible....LOL It's in part about Hockey and it's popularity but at this point, I think it's about the debate. I give both side big kudos for their fight on this one.Neither side will ever admit wrong, lets just drop the argument

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 11:51 AM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

</P>


dynasty - lame
politics - I would like to flame politicians, so sure...
matt's calendar - i cant think of anything worse in the world
MJ vs Bird - what's there to debate exactly?</P>

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:51 AM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

The Messiah vs The Great One??

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 11:53 AM
if any of you are bored go to stumbleupon.com.
Very cool site

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/642324/4unb7.jpgwe should be bigger.

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 11:54 AM
"Politicians should be changed as often as baby diapers, and for the same reason" - Mark Twain

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:56 AM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

</p>


dynasty - lame
politics - I would like to flame politicians, so sure...
matt's calendar - i cant think of anything worse in the world
MJ vs Bird - what's there to debate exactly?</p>Speaking of Politics, how funny is the alternate meaning of 'Rick Santorum'

and have you guys seen THIS guy!?!?!?
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vermin-supreme-2.jpg
Mr. Vermin Supreme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao)

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 12:00 PM
if any of you are bored go to stumbleupon.com.
Very cool site

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/642324/4unb7.jpgwe should be bigger.
How can buffalo be that big and NYG so small? wtf? What categories did you choose at topics? I went with Football and my favorite distraction

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 12:01 PM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

</p>


dynasty - lame
politics - I would like to flame politicians, so sure...
matt's calendar - i cant think of anything worse in the world
MJ vs Bird - what's there to debate exactly?</p>Speaking of Politics, how funny is the alternate meaning of 'Rick Santorum'

and have you guys seen THIS guy!?!?!?
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vermin-supreme-2.jpg
Mr. Vermin Supreme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFXXAuDK1Ao)
He's got my vote based on the ties. lmao

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 12:02 PM
Would you rather talk about...

What a dynasty is?
Politics?
Matt's calendar?
Jordan vs Bird?

</p>


dynasty - lame
politics - I would like to flame politicians, so sure...
matt's calendar - i cant think of anything worse in the world
MJ vs Bird - what's there to debate exactly?</p>well which bird are we talking about?
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chris-birdman-anderson-new-neck-tattoo-part-2.jpg
or
http://joethreat.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/larry-bird.jpg

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 12:03 PM
if any of you are bored go to stumbleupon.com.
Very cool site

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/642324/4unb7.jpgwe should be bigger.
How can buffalo be that big and NYG so small? wtf? What categories did you choose at topics? I went with Football and my favorite distractionlol i clicked everything
but you can single it out one you get to the main page.

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 12:05 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chris-birdman-anderson-new-neck-tattoo-part-2.jpg
or

Kinda looks like
http://www.cityoffilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bifftannen.jpg

Why dont you make like a Tree and get lost!!!!!........ BUTTHEAD!!!!!!

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 12:05 PM
The Messiah vs The Great One??

Gretzky for sure, not even close...

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 12:08 PM
The Messiah vs The Great One??

Gretzky for sure, not even close...
1, 2, 3, 4 ,FIIIIZZZZZIIIIIFFFFFFFFFF

http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/davechappelleFif.jpg

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 12:25 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chris-birdman-anderson-new-neck-tattoo-part-2.jpg
or

Kinda looks like
http://www.cityoffilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bifftannen.jpg

Why dont you make like a Tree and get lost!!!!!........ BUTTHEAD!!!!!!
lol holy ****

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 12:40 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chris-birdman-anderson-new-neck-tattoo-part-2.jpg
or

Kinda looks like
http://www.cityoffilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bifftannen.jpg

Why dont you make like a Tree and get lost!!!!!........ BUTTHEAD!!!!!!
lol holy ****
http://images.wikia.com/bttf/images/e/eb/Biff_1955.JPG

dezzzR
02-23-2012, 12:42 PM
http://www.thecuteproject.com/images/news/574.jpg

herrrrwoooow.

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 01:44 PM
I got one of those cheap trailer hitch covers a few years back. I knicked the top of the cover a while ago and it left a slight tear on the NYG logo. I forgot to mention, yeah -its an nyg cover. I got home last night and noticed that the logo is gone. The car wash must of ripped it off on earlier in the week. I have considered getting a nice metal NYG helmet cover, but was afraid someone would steal it. I could get the keyed trailer hitch pin, but I have no idea how I would get the pin out to use for trailering if I lost that key. ****A

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 01:46 PM
http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-seriously.jpg

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 01:56 PM
I got one of those cheap trailer hitch covers a few years back. I knicked the top of the cover a while ago and it left a slight tear on the NYG logo. I forgot to mention, yeah -its an nyg cover. I got home last night and noticed that the logo is gone. The car wash must of ripped it off on earlier in the week. I have considered getting a nice metal NYG helmet cover, but was afraid someone would steal it. I could get the keyed trailer hitch pin, but I have no idea how I would get the pin out to use for trailering if I lost that key. ****A</P>


That would be cool. I kinda like those things. My dad has a big Harley Davidson one on his escalade. SHINY!!! lol

I have an all white NYG logo window decal that i been meaning to put on my back window...but i keep forgetting....and now i have to actually FIND it since i moved, lol. It's not like the clear plastic BS..it's like the real thing where it's just the letters that get left on your window, you gotta like soak it after placing it. so it's a real pain in the ****...but whatever.</P>

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 01:57 PM
Now that's a bar tab.

Mel stays dry

Mel Gibson, Formula One heir Petra Ecclestone and her new husband, James Stunt, sparked a champagne frenzy at Beacher’s Madhouse in LA last Wednesday night, spending a whopping $250,000 on Cristal -- with Stunt picking up the tab. They went wild even though neither Gibson nor Stunt drinks alcohol. A spy said, “Neither of them touched a drop, they were handing it out to everyone else.” Gibson, whose battle with booze is well-documented, arrived with Ecclestone and her hubby in their Rolls-Royce and was “pretty relaxed and chilled.” The star ignored women around him before the threesome left near 2 a.m.

WIREIMAGE
Mel Gibson


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/mel_stays_dry_UHqL2soCzqit8uNYjgEpfP#ixzz1nEUzMgGa

lttaylor56
02-23-2012, 01:59 PM
I got one of those cheap trailer hitch covers a few years back. I knicked the top of the cover a while ago and it left a slight tear on the NYG logo. I forgot to mention, yeah -its an nyg cover. I got home last night and noticed that the logo is gone. The car wash must of ripped it off on earlier in the week. I have considered getting a nice metal NYG helmet cover, but was afraid someone would steal it. I could get the keyed trailer hitch pin, but I have no idea how I would get the pin out to use for trailering if I lost that key. ****A</P>


That would be cool. I kinda like those things. My dad has a big Harley Davidson one on his escalade. SHINY!!! lol

I have an all white NYG logo window decal that i been meaning to put on my back window...but i keep forgetting....and now i have to actually FIND* it since i moved, lol. It's not like the clear plastic BS..it's like the real thing where it's just the letters that get left on your window, you gotta like soak it after placing it. so it's a real pain in the ****...but whatever.</P>I know the type of decal your talking about, I went on you tube to watch the installation video before I installed the Eli manning whizzing no the pat's logl. You gotta find that decal....This is our year straight up until next years Super Bowl....We are the defending Champs! Loud and Proud Baby (aka Kaseman)

MattMeyerBud
02-23-2012, 02:59 PM
Knicks - Heat tonight

gonna be fire

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 03:06 PM
Knicks - Heat tonight

gonna be fire

Average ticket price for Knicks-Heat now higher than Game 2 of last season's NBA Finals in Miami. lol

It's going to be a great game. I really hope the Knicks win and Bosh scores 57 points.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 03:09 PM
http://www.ksl.com/emedia/slc/2496/249697/24969731.jpg?filter=ksl/img332

<font size="5">LMAO!!!!!</font>

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 03:14 PM
<div class="report">


Panthers coach Ron Rivera revealed at the Combine Thursday that free agent Jeremy Shockey spoke of retirement after the season.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
It's common for players over 30 to consider calling
it quits just after the end of regular seasons, but Shockey has been
injury prone in recent years and his body is beginning to break down.
"With him, you never know," Rivera said. Shockey has not played a full
16-game season in his 11-year career. In 2011, the 31-year-old caught
37 passes for 455 yards and four touchdowns.
</div>

DavenIII
02-23-2012, 03:28 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.

Morehead State
02-23-2012, 05:01 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
</P>


Your ability to obsess rivals mine.</P>


Well done young man.........Well done.</P>

JPizzack
02-23-2012, 05:15 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
</P>


Your ability to obsess rivals mine.</P>


Well done young man.........Well done.</P>


</P>


I can't say I really understand Kase's stance on it.
My only way of seeing it is as a Yankee fan. Every seat in Yankee stadium is spoken for. They are always sold out. However there are empty seats at games. But they were already purchased, people just didnt go. lol
That's still a sellout. </P>

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 05:20 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
</p>


Your ability to obsess rivals mine.</p>


Well done young man.........Well done.</p>
To be compared to you in any way is an honor sir. Thank you, now if I can get my guns as big as yours I'll be set!

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 05:55 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 05:59 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
</p>


Your ability to obsess rivals mine.</p>


Well done young man.........Well done.</p>


</p>


I can't say I really understand Kase's stance on it.
My only way of seeing it is as a Yankee fan. Every seat in Yankee stadium is spoken for. They are always sold out. However there are empty seats at games. But they were already purchased, people just didnt go. lol
That's still a sellout. </p>FALSE!!!!

Since 2001, the best % The Jankees ever had was in 08 with 92.3%

lawl
02-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Just found out I'm probably going to Saudi Arabia a bunch during the next fiscal year for workr. Gonna bank, but Saudi suckssssss.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:04 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

If there are still tickets available to purchase is it a sellout?

Yes or No?

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:05 PM
Just found out I'm probably going to Saudi Arabia a bunch during the next fiscal year for workr. Gonna bank, but Saudi suckssssss.
Watch out for camel toes

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 06:20 PM
Just found out I'm probably going to Saudi Arabia a bunch during the next fiscal year for workr. Gonna bank, but Saudi suckssssss.No booze, cigarettes, or fun allowed there, right??

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 06:25 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

If there are still tickets available to purchase is it a sellout?

Yes or No?
Where are you going with this one, cause we have already stated our cases.

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

<font size="4" color="#0000FF">If there are still tickets available to purchase is it a sellout? </font>

<font size="5" color="#0000FF">Yes or No? </font>
Where are you going with this one, cause we have already stated our cases.

1 word response please...

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 06:32 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

<font color="#0000FF" size="4">If there are still tickets available to purchase is it a sellout? </font>

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">Yes or No? </font>
Where are you going with this one, cause we have already stated our cases.

1 word response please...
If you're at 100% capacity is that a sellout??

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:54 PM
I'm not sure I get this whole sellout conversation still....what are you arguing about.

it's REALLY simple as far as I can tell, if all the tickets are sold...it's a sell out period...whether people sit in the seats or not is completely irrelevant.

Kase is arguing that even if all the seats aren't sold it's still a sellout. Arenas and stadiums have a set number of tickets sold to designate a sellout but it's not really a sellout. When you can't buy seats that is a sellout.
And Lando is arguing that when an arena sells 100% of their tickets it isnt a sellout

100% is a Sellout

<font size="4" color="#0000FF">If there are still tickets available to purchase is it a sellout? </font>

<font size="5" color="#0000FF">Yes or No? </font>
Where are you going with this one, cause we have already stated our cases.

1 word response please...
If you're at 100% capacity is that a sellout??

If you can get to 105% or 106% and you're only at 100% it's not a sellout. According to the number of seats to qualify for a sellout then yes but if there are seats to purchase it's not a true sellout.

Now answer my question, yes or no?

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:58 PM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>






<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon
Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it
looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants
stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a>

<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>

bigblue4417
02-23-2012, 06:59 PM
New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/med/nyg.gif
Biggest need: Offensive
line. The champs patched it together in January with a line that wasn't
very good in the first half of the season but played big when it needed
to. But Kareem McKenzie (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2627/kareem-mckenzie) looks set to leave as a free agent, David Diehl (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4618/david-diehl)
won't play forever and the Giants need to be thinking about what their
offensive line will look like in the future. They haven't taken an
offensive lineman in the first round since Luke Petitgout (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1770/luke-petitgout)
in 1999, but at No. 32, their pick is barely in the first round, and
they'll take the best player available, as they always do. Don't be
surprised if that player is a tight end such as Clemson's Dwayne Allen (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen). The Giants did lose two tight ends to knee injuries in the Super Bowl. Oh, and if they lose both Aaron Ross (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10464/aaron-ross) and Terrell Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11297/terrell-thomas) in free agency, they may need a cornerback.



Interview targets: Allen and Stanford's Coby Fleener (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28327/coby-fleener) at tight end. Mike Adams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28759/mike-adams) and Bobby Massie (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29005/bobby-massie) at tackle. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them look at a versatile rush linebacker like Marshall's Vinny Curry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27949/vinny-curry). I always think the Giants need help at linebacker, though they never seem to agree.



Later-round sleepers: Louisiana-Lafayette tight end Ladarius Green (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27935/ladarius-green)
could fill a need for them in the middle rounds if his knees check out
this week. And the Giants like to take late-round running backs, so keep
an eye on Senior Bowl star Doug Martin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28603/doug-martin) from Boise State.

lawl
02-23-2012, 09:22 PM
Just found out I'm probably going to Saudi Arabia a bunch during the next fiscal year for workr. Gonna bank, but Saudi suckssssss.No booze, cigarettes, or fun allowed there, right??


Exactly.

byron
02-24-2012, 12:29 AM
Just found out I'm probably going to Saudi Arabia a bunch during the next fiscal year for workr. Gonna bank, but Saudi suckssssss.No booze, cigarettes, or fun allowed there, right??
Exactly.plenty of bootleg whiskey and a blind pig or two around....;)

tonyt830
02-24-2012, 06:37 AM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>






<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon
Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it
looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants
stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a>

<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>can someone say JUICE!!!! I wonder if he used the same collector as Ryan Braun for his drug test!

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 08:47 AM
uhh...either those pics are fake...or that guy is juicing HARDCORE.</P>


nobody can blow up to that size, that quickly. Landry was cut, but always a scrawny *******. his power on the field came from his speed.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 09:09 AM
uhh...either those pics are fake...or that guy is juicing HARDCORE.</p>


nobody can blow up to that size, that quickly. Landry was cut, but always a scrawny *******. his power on the field came from his speed.</p>

na he was always shredded like that

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics8/640/DN/DNBYAMRSCNKTBDS.20070313202402.jpg

DavenIII
02-24-2012, 09:55 AM
Jacobs would still plow right over him.

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 09:55 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:00 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:03 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</P>


riiiiight...</P>

Voldamort
02-24-2012, 10:03 AM
Well i got a good deal from Jay Dees after talking to the owner and he put us down.* This place is perfect and is like a mile from the Stadium right on route 17.* Its next to the Meadowlands Diner (a couple of buildings before).</p>


*</p>


Top shelf not included, open bar.* But **** top shelf, i got him to include the shots in to hte price for hte open bar.</p> will you have something sent up for opening day?


*</p>


So $35 per person, 4-8 (4 hour open bar) on April 25th.* They have a menu and a good grill from what I hear, but food isn't included. I really have no way of guaranteeing him a number so I couldn't work out the buffet.* Although I did tell him we'd have 20-50 people here.</p>


*</p>


http://www.myspace.com/386509075</p>


*</p>


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=jay+dee's+nj&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&latlng=9340636568023826469 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=jay+dee%27s+nj&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&latlng=9340636568023826469)</p>


*</p>


alrite so its official and its going down, so now i'll be +1 so who are the definites and how many are you bringing. I told this guy that i'd have at least 20.</p>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:06 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>

dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:06 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">From
Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has
made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free
agency."</span></h6>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:07 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline"><div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6><h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"> <span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">From
Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has
made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free
agency."</span></h6>

its going to be the same conversation that we had with cofields agent last year:

we would love to have him back, we're against the cap, this is what we can offer

then they say okay thank you and go sign somewhere else for real money

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:08 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</P>


riiiiight...</P>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</P>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</P>

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:09 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>

dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
Which pic are we looking at, Basketball photo(if so which guy?) or the Landry photo with no shirt on. I'm basing this statement on 36 years of lifting weights and my powerlifting competing, blahaha, you guy's all know. Landry is clearly juiced. He looks great by the way.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:09 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>

dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
Which pic are we looking at, Basketball photo(if so which guy?) or the Landry photo with no shirt on. I'm basing this statement on 36 years of lifting weights and my powerlifting competing, blahaha, you guy's all know. Landry is clearly juiced. He looks great by the way.

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:10 AM
<H6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">
<DIV class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft='{"type":2}'>In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</DIV></H6>
<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class=messageBody data-ft='{"type":3}'>From Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free agency."</SPAN></H6>




its going to be the same conversation that we had with cofields agent last year:

we would love to have him back, we're against the cap, this is what we can offer

then they say okay thank you and go sign somewhere else for real money
</P>


most likely. It's understandable. I already came to grips with this before the season ended. It sucks, but it's a reality.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:11 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>

na its cut up and inflated... the dude is actually in the weight room in that one picture where he looks immense

i bet if u saw him right now before he hit the gym he wouldn't look that big

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:12 AM
Which pic are we looking at, Basketball photo(if so which guy?) or the Landry photo with no shirt on. I'm basing this statement on 36 years of lifting weights and my powerlifting competing, blahaha, you guy's all know. Landry is clearly juiced. He looks great by the way.</P>


You opinion has WAY more weight than Matt's....
I think he's delusional if he think arms that inflated are naturally achieved, considering how he looked last year.</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:12 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">
<div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6>
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">From Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free agency."</span></h6>




its going to be the same conversation that we had with cofields agent last year:

we would love to have him back, we're against the cap, this is what we can offer

then they say okay thank you and go sign somewhere else for real money
</p>


most likely. It's understandable. I already came to grips with this before the season ended. It sucks, but it's a reality.</p>

I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:15 AM
Jacobs would still plow right over him.


i can't believe lando and kase haven't figured out ur daven'ing

u've brought up the attendance debate 10 times, vanished and never respond to anything they say

yet they keep biting

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:16 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:17 AM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</P>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</P>

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:17 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:18 AM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</p>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</p>

I mean I never thought Manningham would be cheap. Obviously his price went up cuz of the postseason, but he would always cost a decent contract.

I think there is a scary possibility that we still lose Nicks or Cruz

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:18 AM
and i dont understand why he would want to gain mass and become more sluggish and not stay shredded and keep his speed. he looks like a linebacker now

Morehead State
02-24-2012, 10:20 AM
<H6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">
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<H6 class=uiStreamMessage data-ft='{"type":1}'><SPAN class=messageBody data-ft='{"type":3}'>From Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free agency."</SPAN></H6>




its going to be the same conversation that we had with cofields agent last year:

we would love to have him back, we're against the cap, this is what we can offer

then they say okay thank you and go sign somewhere else for real money
</P>


most likely. It's understandable. I already came to grips with this before the season ended. It sucks, but it's a reality.</P>




I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</P>


More revisionist history from Matt. The argument came before the Cruz explosion (before the 2011 season) and your view was that the decision would be between Steve Smith and Manningham after the 2012 season. (when MM's contract would be up)</P>


My position was that MM and SS had completely different skill sets (Smith was a posession receiver and MM a deep threat and that was NEVER going to be the choice. This was at a time we assumed Smith would stay a Giant for 2012.</P>


And your view was that we should keep Smith over Manningham.</P>


I said that Smith vs, Manningham was a false choice. The point has become moot since Smith went to Philly and Cruz emerged as a legit threat. </P>

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:20 AM
Jacobs would still plow right over him.


i can't believe lando and kase haven't figured out ur daven'ing

u've brought up the attendance debate 10 times, vanished and never respond to anything they say

yet they keep biting


</P>


lmao...yea, Daven's posting even made me chime in just to add fuel to the fire lol</P>

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:23 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
Which brings me to a possibility...if landry was a black guy...ehhhh. maybe a small chance he was all natural. But very small, like 2% chance. It's the look that gives it away every time. Do you see how thin his skin is? There's like nothing between his skin and the muscles. Then you add that type of size to the picture and it usually does not happen naturally. If I had to guess, he's running @5% bodyfat, maybe less. You just don't achieve that type of size with that low of a bodyfat % naturally. Sure I could go down to 5% bodyfat naturally, but I would look like sticks and bones. There's no way I could maintain my size or bodyweight.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:23 AM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>






<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon
Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it
looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants
stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a>

<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:23 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
nothing to do with black or white. we all remember these pythons, brother.
http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/hulk.jpg

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:24 AM
or this guyee
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AnvxxS6Ffxo/TfHveLtNHHI/AAAAAAAAAC8/Ti62nDtDSbU/s1600/arnold-schwarzenegger-20051030-81109.jpg
http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/arnold_schwarzenegger.jpg

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:24 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
nothing to do with black or white. we all remember these pythons, brother.
http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/hulk.jpg


lol dude athletic black guys get crazy rips easy...

I knew a kid that benched like not even a plate on each side and when hes done it would of looked like he was a workout warrior...

alot of those skinny athletic black guys get cut and ripped SOOO easy

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:26 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
Which brings me to a possibility...if landry was a black guy...ehhhh. maybe a small chance he was all natural. But very small, like 2% chance. It's the look that gives it away every time. Do you see how thin his skin is? There's like nothing between his skin and the muscles. Then you add that type of size to the picture and it usually does not happen naturally. If I had to guess, he's running @5% bodyfat, maybe less. You just don't achieve that type of size with that low of a bodyfat % naturally. Sure I could go down to 5% bodyfat naturally, but I would look like sticks and bones. There's no way I could maintain my size or bodyweight.

yea but u get that look post workout... if he was walking around natural like that then i'd understand

but he obviously just got done working out.

i still say its the black guy thing lol

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 10:26 AM
Which brings me to a possibility...if landry was a black guy...ehhhh. maybe a small chance he was all natural. But very small, like 2% chance. It's the look that gives it away every time. Do you see how thin his skin is? There's like nothing between his skin and the muscles. Then you add that type of size to the picture and it usually does not happen naturally. If I had to guess, he's running @5% bodyfat, maybe less. You just don't achieve that type of size with that low of a bodyfat % naturally. Sure I could go down to 5% bodyfat naturally, but I would look like sticks and bones. There's no way I could maintain my size or bodyweight.</P>


LAWYERED!!!!!</P>

Morehead State
02-24-2012, 10:27 AM
<H1 class=entry-title>LaRon Landry is looking quite large</H1>
<DIV class=blog-byline>By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</DIV>


<SPAN class=imgfull>http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<SPAN class=blog_caption></SPAN></SPAN>LaRon Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants stuffed with weights.</P>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</P>


<A name=pagebreak></A><SPAN class=imgfull>http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<FONT size=5>
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</FONT>
</SPAN>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced


</P>


He's obviously huge but its the extreemly low body fat that makes him look so cut. His muscularity is definately achievable through natural means. Doesn't mean he's not juicing but it can definately come naturally.</P>


The low body fat is just a matter of huge comittment to a proper diet.</P>

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 10:29 AM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</p>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</p>

I mean I never thought Manningham would be cheap. Obviously his price went up cuz of the postseason, but he would always cost a decent contract.
<u>
I think there is a scary possibility that we still lose Nicks or Cruz</u>
shut your mouth.

Morehead State
02-24-2012, 10:32 AM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</P>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</P>




I mean I never thought Manningham would be cheap. Obviously his price went up cuz of the postseason, but he would always cost a decent contract.
<U>
I think there is a scary possibility that we still lose Nicks or Cruz</U>
shut your mouth.
</P>


We will NOT lose either Nicks or Cruz. Its almost impossible. It is however very unlikely that we keep Manningham. </P>


88 and 80 (barring injury) will be mainstays in Giants blue.</P>


If the Steelers lose Wallace (which I doubt) MM could be a candidate for Pitt. If not I can see SF, Seattle, Cleveland or even NE. (although I think Brandon Lloyd has the inside track for NE)</P>

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:33 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
nothing to do with black or white. we all remember these pythons, brother.
http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/hulk.jpg
Have to be careful here... We're not talking strictly size. Hulks bodyfat % is ALOT higher than Landry's in that photo.....and hulk juiced. I can't help but consider, how much EXTRA juice landry took to achieve that shredded state.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:35 AM
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage uiStreamHeadline">
<div class="actorDescription actorName" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:2}">In Reese We Trust (http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855)</div></h6>
<h6 class="uiStreamMessage" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:1}"><span class="messageBody" data-ft="{&quot;type&quot;:3}">From Pro Football Talk: "Per league source, receiver Mario Manningham has made no progress on new deal with the Giants and will enter free agency."</span></h6>




its going to be the same conversation that we had with cofields agent last year:

we would love to have him back, we're against the cap, this is what we can offer

then they say okay thank you and go sign somewhere else for real money
</p>


most likely. It's understandable. I already came to grips with this before the season ended. It sucks, but it's a reality.</p>




I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</p>


More revisionist history from Matt. The argument came before the Cruz explosion (before the 2011 season) and your view was that the decision would be between Steve Smith and Manningham after the 2012 season. (when MM's contract would be up)</p>


My position was that MM and SS had completely different skill sets (Smith was a posession receiver and MM a deep threat and that was NEVER going to be the choice. This was at a time we assumed Smith would stay a Giant for 2012.</p>


And your view was that we should keep Smith over Manningham.</p>


I said that Smith vs, Manningham was a false choice. The point has become moot since Smith went to Philly and Cruz emerged as a legit threat. </p>

at least ur admitting your having revisionist history.

First off this debate came from during the 2010 season not just before the cruz explosion.

Yes the debate WOULD have been between Mario and Smith. We would not have the money for both and we would have preferred smith because of his overall production, not just the fact he was a possession WR.

Once we didn't sign smith and before Cruz errupted, I would of said we would have signed Mario. The main point is that we both agreed Mario would turn into a talent and we would not dump that much money into the WR position with Nicks needing a new contract soon.

The reason we are going to go wtih Cruz over Manningham is because of production - nothing else. It would of been the same for Smith.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:36 AM
<H1 class=entry-title>LaRon Landry is looking quite large</H1>
<DIV class=blog-byline>By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</DIV>


<SPAN class=imgfull>http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<SPAN class=blog_caption></SPAN></SPAN>LaRon Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants stuffed with weights.</P>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</P>


<A name=pagebreak></A><SPAN class=imgfull>http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<FONT size=5>
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</FONT>
</SPAN>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced


</P>


He's obviously huge but its the extreemly low body fat that makes him look so cut.* His muscularity is definately achievable through natural means.* Doesn't mean he's not juicing but it can definately come naturally.</P>


The low body fat is just a matter of huge comittment to a proper diet.</P>It's ok, I;m used to this. People who have not dedicated their lives to the weight/strength related sports commonly make similar statements. Look at the distended abdomen. There are telltale signs. I would bet a bunch on his pharmaceutical intake at the time of this photo.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:37 AM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>


<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a><span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced


</p>


He's obviously huge but its the extreemly low body fat that makes him look so cut. His muscularity is definately achievable through natural means. Doesn't mean he's not juicing but it can definately come naturally.</p>


The low body fat is just a matter of huge comittment to a proper diet.</p>

yea i mean listen, i don't put it by any pro athlete to juice

and i have no reason to stand for Landry

but i actually think thats natural.. people are just built differently

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:42 AM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</p>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</p>




I mean I never thought Manningham would be cheap. Obviously his price went up cuz of the postseason, but he would always cost a decent contract.
<u>
I think there is a scary possibility that we still lose Nicks or Cruz</u>
shut your mouth.
</p>


We will NOT lose either Nicks or Cruz. Its almost impossible. It is however very unlikely that we keep Manningham. </p>


88 and 80 (barring injury) will be mainstays in Giants blue.</p>


If the Steelers lose Wallace (which I doubt) MM could be a candidate for Pitt. If not I can see SF, Seattle, Cleveland or even NE. (although I think Brandon Lloyd has the inside track for NE)</p>

I dunno man its scary. I see a bad future with the Giants and Cruz - may have hold out written all over it. I just can't see us being able to give him a deal within the next year. Then if we do - we are going to be in even worse cap trouble with Nicks contract is due. This is why i am saying Jerry need to KILLL the draft so we can get some young cheap talent for the next two years.

And be careful of that mainstays stuff - we all said the same thing about Smith.

GREAT call for Lloyd to Pats - i think thats the most perfect fit i've heard. Although I could see the Pats trying to make a move on Wallace. Worst case they force Steelers to spend money

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:48 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
nothing to do with black or white. we all remember these pythons, brother.
http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/hulk.jpg
Have to be careful here... We're not talking strictly size. Hulks bodyfat % is ALOT higher than Landry's in that photo.....and hulk juiced. I can't help but consider, how much EXTRA juice landry took to achieve that shredded state.

well theres different types of juice though, the kinds to bulk up and like a winnie cycle to shred no?

Then the rest is just natural body types

Kase-1
02-24-2012, 10:50 AM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>


<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a><span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced


</p>


He's obviously huge but its the extreemly low body fat that makes him look so cut. His muscularity is definately achievable through natural means. Doesn't mean he's not juicing but it can definately come naturally.</p>


The low body fat is just a matter of huge comittment to a proper diet.</p>

yea i mean listen, i don't put it by any pro athlete to juice

and i have no reason to stand for Landry

but i actually think thats natural.. people are just built differently
Well this def looks much differnent than Cushing who went from doughboy to ripped monster

Landry was never a pudge, if anything he was lean making it easier for him to add muscle and it would def look more visually rewarding cause he doesnt have fat on top of muscle

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 10:51 AM
<h1 class="entry-title">LaRon Landry is looking quite large</h1>
<div class="blog-byline">By Dan Steinberg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/dan-steinberg/2011/02/09/ABq4PTF_page.html)</div>


<span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212.jpg?uuid=yzo4gF5BEeGaOCcdGz7-jw
<span class="blog_caption"></span></span>LaRon Landry hasn’t played a whole lot of football in recent seasons, but it looks like he’s still been lifting weights. Or elephants. Or elephants stuffed with weights.</p>


(Via his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/#%21/mrlandry30).)</p>


<a name="pagebreak"></a><span class="imgfull">http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/dc-sports-bog/StandingArt/landrygiant0212b.jpg?uuid=S_0hHF5CEeGaOCcdGz7-jw

<font size="5">
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!</font>
</span>
look at this size of his arms in both pictures. In one hes sweating and inflated... i wouldn't doubt that was post bicept work outs

dude is a professional athlete who always had a build like that and he has black guy build... i really don't think hes juiced


</p>


He's obviously huge but its the extreemly low body fat that makes him look so cut. His muscularity is definately achievable through natural means. Doesn't mean he's not juicing but it can definately come naturally.</p>


The low body fat is just a matter of huge comittment to a proper diet.</p>It's ok, I;m used to this. People who have not dedicated their lives to the weight/strength related sports commonly make similar statements. Look at the distended abdomen. There are telltale signs. I would bet a bunch on his pharmaceutical intake at the time of this photo.

oh def, when i mean "natural" i just mean not steroids/hgh

but he def is ****tailing a crazy mix of protein shakes and that **** i would guess

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:56 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys
nothing to do with black or white. we all remember these pythons, brother.
http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/hulk.jpg
Have to be careful here... We're not talking strictly size. Hulks bodyfat % is ALOT higher than Landry's in that photo.....and hulk juiced. I can't help but consider, how much EXTRA juice landry took to achieve that shredded state.

well theres different types of juice though, the kinds to bulk up and like a winnie cycle to shred no?

Then the rest is just natural body types
I know what I know and that's all. Having been around this for so long, seeing guy's who look like Landry and hulk and hearing them honestly admit to me that they take **** makes it extremely difficult for me to ever believe someone could achieve those results naturally.

Yes, there are different types of stuff. Your right. If you took a winstrol or clenbuterol(I think those are for cutting up) then you could get very low bodyfat %. But you would not have any size unless you took some other bulking agent to get big before that. I don't know about juice personally, but from what I have heard, it's a long road down a terrible path of taking multiple diff things.

If you only took a cutting agent, you would resemble like a 150 lb asian guy, really lean, not huge, but muscular. This brings me to another point, I have known guy's that did cycles of clenbuterol and they only achieved minimal results in lowering their bodyfat %. This leads me to believe that there is even more **** the pro's or someone like landry take to get that degree of quality muscle in addition to size.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 10:59 AM
Does anyone know Landry's bodywt? If he is 150 lbs, I'd say there is a tiny bit more of a possibility he's clean. But if he's 240 plus--there's just no way. Of course I'm not god, just sayin.

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 11:04 AM
Does anyone know Landry's bodywt? If he is 150 lbs, I'd say there is a tiny bit more of a possibility he's clean. But if he's 240 plus--there's just no way. Of course I'm not god, just sayin.redskins site has him at 220.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:05 AM
Wait a minute, I know an amateur bodybuilder-that my buddy trains with. He admits to taking stuff, very nice guy, not huge ego, a good person. He's always wearing long sleeves and pants even at the gym. He runs at about 240 lbs in the off season. Last year he did an IFBB(International federation of Bodybuilding) pro qualifier national show. I saw him just before he went to the show. He dropped down to about 215 and did not even have the degree of muscle quality that landry displays in that photo. Food for thought. If something seems to good to be true, it usually is.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:06 AM
Does anyone know Landry's bodywt? If he is 150 lbs, I'd say there is a tiny bit more of a possibility he's clean. But if he's 240 plus--there's just no way. Of course I'm not god, just sayin.redskins site has him at 220.
He's an active player? lmao. Why are we even discussing?

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:10 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:12 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 11:12 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</P>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</P>

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 11:15 AM
He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
</P>


youre also assuming he's intelligent....and wouldnt show himself off.
you ALSO act like nobody tests positive for steroids or any other PEDsin football, it happens regularly, even if we dont see it.</P>

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:16 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:20 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.

dezzzR
02-24-2012, 11:21 AM
He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
</p>


youre also assuming he's intelligent....and wouldnt show himself off.
y<u>ou ALSO act like nobody tests positive for steroids or any other PEDsin football, it happens regularly, even if we dont see it.</u></p>agreed. the nfl does NOT want to go through what baseballs going through

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 11:21 AM
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.</P>


I have no idea why these guys are debating it. I take your opinion on this discussing much more seriosuly than anyone else, because i know your lifting background, as does everyone else know.
I mean, youve seen the rest of us....wtf does Matt or I know about it? lol
I'm like 99% sure the guy juices....he has been injured, and a pretty bad football player, so he's got the motivation to cheat imo. So youre opinion is just kind of my validation lol.</P>

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:22 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</p>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</p>
Pau had 26 and 8 vs the Heat this year. Just sayin...[;)]

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:24 AM
Does anyone know Landry's bodywt? If he is 150 lbs, I'd say there is a tiny bit more of a possibility he's clean. But if he's 240 plus--there's just no way. Of course I'm not god, just sayin.

its hard to get those numbers... they are always jaded

but at LSU they had him at 6'2 - 202 pounds

ESPN lists him as 6'0 220 pounds

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:26 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.


yea forgot a bout that - thats another good point

he has been off his legs for mots of the year

theres way around everything though

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:27 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</p>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</p>

stop it... Chris Bosh was hittin 20 foot jumpers all day wide open because the Knicks couldn't recover from helpside defense.. he had wide open shots lol please...

u act like he was driving

all i know is Kevin Durant runs the west

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:28 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.

dont pull a byron on us lol

its okay to debate, its what th tee thread was built on

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:32 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</p>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</p>
Pau had 26 and 8 vs the Heat this year. Just sayin...[;)]


yea and he only had 16 and 10 vs the knicks with no Amare or Melo

weak sauce

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:34 AM
all i know is Kevin Durant runs the west

<span class="st">“Maybe one day they'll be able to sit at my lunch table<wbr>,” he said. “Right now we're at two different lunch tables, man.</span>" Black Mamba


KD is really REALLY good bro. Crazy part is he's only 23. lol KD and Westbrook are signed for the next 5 years to. That team is not going anywhere and is only going to get better.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:35 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:37 AM
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.</P>


I have no idea why these guys are debating it. I take your opinion on this discussing much more seriosuly than anyone else, because i know your lifting background, as does everyone else know.
I mean, youve seen the rest of us....wtf does Matt or I know about it? lol
I'm like 99% sure the guy juices....he has been injured, and a pretty bad football player, so he's got the motivation to cheat imo. So youre opinion is just kind of my validation lol.</P>Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing homerism my way.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:37 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</p>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</p>

stop it... Chris Bosh was hittin 20 foot jumpers all day wide open because the Knicks couldn't recover from helpside defense.. he had wide open shots lol please...

u act like he was driving


He has one nice drive with a and 1. lol

I was more or less speaking about the stat lines. Amare disappeared in that game. How is it possible he only gets 5 rebounds?

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:40 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.

dont pull a byron on us lol

its okay to debate, its what th tee thread was built on
ha, I only know what I know. This at least I can base on a lifetime of personal first hand experience.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:41 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.
Yeah, it's very dangerous but the results sure are worth it. lol I took a cycle of Test when I was like 21 and I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. My left wrist gets sore sometimes and my ankle pops all the time so I don't know if it hurt my joints or what but we all do dumb **** when we are young. I am trying to lose weight right now and I hate dieting, I miss soda and Doritos. I know it will be worth it though.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:42 AM
Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing me, there are other guys to.
So that is why you took him to the Packers game huh?

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 11:44 AM
[
stop it... Chris Bosh was hittin 20 foot jumpers all day wide open because the Knicks couldn't recover from helpside defense.. he had wide open shots lol please...

u act like he was driving

all i know is Kevin Durant runs the west
</P>


im referring to Amare's offense in th first half.
He never shot the ball in the 2nd half.</P>

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:45 AM
<div class="report">


Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated reports that
Nets GM Billy King is "already working" on three and four-team trade
scenarios for Dwight Howard.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Mannix is careful to say that nothing is imminent,
but King will be ready to talk whenever Orlando GM Otis Smith is willing
to listen. New Jersey knows its Howard's first option, and King is
famous for working on trades that involve multiple teams. This won't be
the last we hear on the Howard trade front with the March 15 deadline
looming.
</div>

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:46 AM
Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing me, there are other guys to.
So that is why you took him to the Packers game huh?
Now that sounds like your jealous...lol. You should all be thanking Pizz & I for being the luck at the GB game that turned our team around and gave us all a season to remember.

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:50 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.
Yeah, it's very dangerous but the results sure are worth it. lol I took a cycle of Test when I was like 21 and I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. My left wrist gets sore sometimes and my ankle pops all the time so I don't know if it hurt my joints or what but we all do dumb **** when we are young. I am trying to lose weight right now and I hate dieting, I miss soda and Doritos. I know it will be worth it though.
Wow. Did you inject it? I could not do that. The whole thing in powerlifting(non-drug free) is how can an athlete increase their strength without increasing their bodyweight, thus putting them into the next bodywt division. The only way that works is if as you increase your muscles mass you decrease your bodyfat. Eventually you get to a point where you cannot decrease the bodyfat anymore or you will die, so an increase in bodywt has to occur.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:51 AM
31 minutes, 13 points, 5 rebounds. Nice line Amare in your most important game yet.

Your boy got abused by Chris "Soft" Bosh.
</p>


Can't knock Amare. They didnt even give him the ball in the 2nd half. no joke.
He abused Bosh in the first 2 quarters.</p>

stop it... Chris Bosh was hittin 20 foot jumpers all day wide open because the Knicks couldn't recover from helpside defense.. he had wide open shots lol please...

u act like he was driving


He has one nice drive with a and 1. lol

I was more or less speaking about the stat lines. Amare disappeared in that game. How is it possible he only gets 5 rebounds?


because he was out of position in help defense and stepping out and playing bosh.

Not to mention he dropped about 3 offensive rebounds early in the game... brutal

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:52 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.

dont pull a byron on us lol

its okay to debate, its what th tee thread was built on
ha, I only know what I know. This at least I can base on a lifetime of personal first hand experience.

na I hear ya...

u def have more experience (obviously) but in HS these kids i played and worked out with... u wouldn't believe how they would look with minimal workouts. Thats why I find it completely believable

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:53 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.
Yeah, it's very dangerous but the results sure are worth it. lol I took a cycle of Test when I was like 21 and I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. My left wrist gets sore sometimes and my ankle pops all the time so I don't know if it hurt my joints or what but we all do dumb **** when we are young. I am trying to lose weight right now and I hate dieting, I miss soda and Doritos. I know it will be worth it though.


thats not because of the roids, its because ur pushing 40

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:54 AM
[
stop it... Chris Bosh was hittin 20 foot jumpers all day wide open because the Knicks couldn't recover from helpside defense.. he had wide open shots lol please...

u act like he was driving

all i know is Kevin Durant runs the west
</p>


im referring to Amare's offense in th first half.
He never shot the ball in the 2nd half.</p>

tjhat response was to lando not you...

and it was about Bosh's "DOMINATING" performance

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 11:56 AM
<div class="report">


Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated reports that
Nets GM Billy King is "already working" on three and four-team trade
scenarios for Dwight Howard.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Mannix is careful to say that nothing is imminent,
but King will be ready to talk whenever Orlando GM Otis Smith is willing
to listen. New Jersey knows its Howard's first option, and King is
famous for working on trades that involve multiple teams. This won't be
the last we hear on the Howard trade front with the March 15 deadline
looming.
</div>

i know how it gets annoying with players saying they want out a year before their contract is up....

and they should def do it behind doors, regardless of how much the media gets leaks

BUT, at the end of the day its still better for the team losing the superstar.

I'm sorry, but dumping cap space and getting some talent back is DEF the thing to do if ur going to lose a superstar. Its in the best interest of the team. I don't care how pissed that Cavs owner is, if he could go back in time with what he knows now he would of DEF done the trade to get LBJ out of town

lttaylor56
02-24-2012, 11:57 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body builder*now.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.

dont pull a byron on us lol

its okay to debate, its what th tee thread was built on
ha, I only know what I know. This at least I can base on a lifetime of personal first hand experience.

na I hear ya...

u def have more experience (obviously) but in HS these kids i played and worked out with... u wouldn't believe how they would look with minimal workouts. Thats why I find it completely believable
Yeah, there's always exceptions...I guess. Those kids were like a fresh canvas with no paint on it. It's another thing to take a body that's been lifting for 10 plus years and make significant changes to it.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:57 AM
Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing me, there are other guys to.
So that is why you took him to the Packers game huh?
Now that sounds like your jealous...lol. You should all be thanking Pizz &amp; I for being the luck at the GB game that turned our team around and gave us all a season to remember.
Of course I'm jealous. To feel that beard tickling my balls would be awesome. Matt gives great head but he has no facial hair so it would be something new.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 11:58 AM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.
Yeah, it's very dangerous but the results sure are worth it. lol I took a cycle of Test when I was like 21 and I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. My left wrist gets sore sometimes and my ankle pops all the time so I don't know if it hurt my joints or what but we all do dumb **** when we are young. I am trying to lose weight right now and I hate dieting, I miss soda and Doritos. I know it will be worth it though.
Wow. Did you inject it? I could not do that. The whole thing in powerlifting(non-drug free) is how can an athlete increase their strength without increasing their bodyweight, thus putting them into the next bodywt division. The only way that works is if as you increase your muscles mass you decrease your bodyfat. Eventually you get to a point where you cannot decrease the bodyfat anymore or you will die, so an increase in bodywt has to occur.
Yea, shot it right in my ***. It was crazy, my back broke out sooooooooo bad.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:01 PM
By the way, can you tell me who is in first place in our league? [;)]

It won't last long though I bet, you get to play the 3 worst teams all in a row. You got lucky with your schedule you ****er. I hope we get the 1 &amp; 2 seeds. You will for sure but it will be hard for me.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:02 PM
thats not because of the roids, its because ur pushing 40



You're right behind me old man.

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:05 PM
Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing me, there are other guys to.
So that is why you took him to the Packers game huh?
Now that sounds like your jealous...lol. You should all be thanking Pizz &amp; I for being the luck at the GB game that turned our team around and gave us all a season to remember.
Of course I'm jealous. To feel that beard tickling my balls would be awesome. Matt gives great head but he has no facial hair so it would be something new.


i have the TICKLER!

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:06 PM
thats not because of the roids, its because ur pushing 40



You're right behind me old man.


im in my 20s sonny jim - how old are you?

Daven is 30 now too..bahahahaha

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:07 PM
By the way, can you tell me who is in first place in our league? [;)]

It won't last long though I bet, you get to play the 3 worst teams all in a row. You got lucky with your schedule you ****er. I hope we get the 1 &amp; 2 seeds. You will for sure but it will be hard for me.


i should hopfully sweep - although im not sleeping on Russian Billionaire or Winning and Grinning

hopfully Slaughterhouse beats you... if not it will come down to not only who we play but how we do vs each other points wise for the rest of the year....

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:08 PM
This was June 2011.

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/laron-landry-ripped-intro.jpg

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/laron-landry-ripped-2.jpg

Here is another pic but I don't know the date...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RYn6u_9Lq74/TH1kfnq-poI/AAAAAAAAAwM/abGymMF2gro/s400/laronlandryhz9.jpg

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:08 PM
I said he was cut...but he was a smaller guy....
there's no comparison. He has the upper body of a power lifter/ body buildernow.

i disagree

that picture was of him in college next to dwayne bowe and jamarcus russell

5 years in the NFL and professional training - i bet its natural
</p>


riiiiight...</p>




dude he obviously had size to him, the college picture proves it

your taking a BLACK workout warrior take pics when hes obviously lifting or just got done lifting...

cuts look better then too.

I had black kids on my football team that NEVER worked out and had 8 packs
</p>


there's a huge different between big, and inflated big. that's just unnatural big.</p>i have to agree. his arms look un natural.


lol white boys

He is promoting a new product. He tore his Achilles and has been lifting all year I bet. Plus he does play in the NFL where they get mandatory testing just in case you guys forgot. You really think if he was juicing he would have been so upfront about putting them on Twitter? These are athletes that have been lifting as much weight as possible since High School. It is natural and also in those pics I'm sure he took them right after he got done working out so he was as swollen as possible.
I love you guy's. I don't want to sound like a know it all-cause I'm not. I apologize if that's how Im coming off. My first passion in life after my family is lifting, then NYG. The question of someone is on the sauce or not comes up constantly in my powerlifting circles. Since I competed in a drug free organization, this question was probably multiplied 50X over. All I can say is this.....I'm sorry if it contradicts my earlier statement above....I have never been wrong. All the guy's that I said were suspect eventually failed drug tests in our powerlifting federation(USAPL).Of course there's always a first time.
You're just jealous. lol j/k LT. Your arms are almost as big as his anyway...MH has him beat though.
Lol, I am jealous. I wish I could look like that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my health, I have to be around for my kids. I have watched all the best documentaries on long term effects of steroids and although they still really do not know exactly what will happen after a lifetime of use, I'm not willing to take the gamble. Everyone always talks about Lyle Izato...I dunno if that was entirely due to the roids.
Yeah, it's very dangerous but the results sure are worth it. lol I took a cycle of Test when I was like 21 and I put on 30 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks. My left wrist gets sore sometimes and my ankle pops all the time so I don't know if it hurt my joints or what but we all do dumb **** when we are young. I am trying to lose weight right now and I hate dieting, I miss soda and Doritos. I know it will be worth it though.
Wow. Did you inject it? I could not do that. The whole thing in powerlifting(non-drug free) is how can an athlete increase their strength without increasing their bodyweight, thus putting them into the next bodywt division. The only way that works is if as you increase your muscles mass you decrease your bodyfat. Eventually you get to a point where you cannot decrease the bodyfat anymore or you will die, so an increase in bodywt has to occur.
Yea, shot it right in my ***. It was crazy, my back broke out sooooooooo bad.


one of many eventful nights to come where things were shot in his ***

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:10 PM
This was June 2011.

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/laron-landry-ripped-intro.jpg

http://coedbc.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/laron-landry-ripped-2.jpg

Here is another pic but I don't know the date...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RYn6u_9Lq74/TH1kfnq-poI/AAAAAAAAAwM/abGymMF2gro/s400/laronlandryhz9.jpg


and these are all right after hes lifting it seems... hes obviously inflated at that time

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:11 PM
wow lando, u don't have an easy schedule either:

Flint Tropics, slaughterhouse, and Yacoub's tema is underrated IMO

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:11 PM
Thanks for saying that Pizz....and I know your not just blowing me, there are other guys to.
So that is why you took him to the Packers game huh?
Now that sounds like your jealous...lol. You should all be thanking Pizz &amp; I for being the luck at the GB game that turned our team around and gave us all a season to remember.
Of course I'm jealous. To feel that beard tickling my balls would be awesome. Matt gives great head but he has no facial hair so it would be something new.


i have the TICKLER!

LMAO

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:12 PM
thats not because of the roids, its because ur pushing 40



You're right behind me old man.


im in my 20s sonny jim - how old are you?

Daven is 30 now too..bahahahaha

31 years young and sexy as a motha ****a.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:14 PM
By the way, can you tell me who is in first place in our league? [;)]

It won't last long though I bet, you get to play the 3 worst teams all in a row. You got lucky with your schedule you ****er. I hope we get the 1 &amp; 2 seeds. You will for sure but it will be hard for me.


i should hopfully sweep - although im not sleeping on Russian Billionaire or Winning and Grinning

hopfully Slaughterhouse beats you... if not it will come down to not only who we play but how we do vs each other points wise for the rest of the year....



Why would you want Slaughterhouse to beat me? You scared? lol

MattMeyerBud
02-24-2012, 12:16 PM
By the way, can you tell me who is in first place in our league? [;)]

It won't last long though I bet, you get to play the 3 worst teams all in a row. You got lucky with your schedule you ****er. I hope we get the 1 &amp; 2 seeds. You will for sure but it will be hard for me.


i should hopfully sweep - although im not sleeping on Russian Billionaire or Winning and Grinning

hopfully Slaughterhouse beats you... if not it will come down to not only who we play but how we do vs each other points wise for the rest of the year....



Why would you want Slaughterhouse to beat me? You scared? lol





why would i NOT want slaughterhouse to beat you? I have a 400 point lead on him

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:17 PM
<div class="report">


Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated reports that
Nets GM Billy King is "already working" on three and four-team trade
scenarios for Dwight Howard.</p>
</div>
<div class="impact">
Mannix is careful to say that nothing is imminent,
but King will be ready to talk whenever Orlando GM Otis Smith is willing
to listen. New Jersey knows its Howard's first option, and King is
famous for working on trades that involve multiple teams. This won't be
the last we hear on the Howard trade front with the March 15 deadline
looming.
</div>

i know how it gets annoying with players saying they want out a year before their contract is up....

and they should def do it behind doors, regardless of how much the media gets leaks

BUT, at the end of the day its still better for the team losing the superstar.

I'm sorry, but dumping cap space and getting some talent back is DEF the thing to do if ur going to lose a superstar. Its in the best interest of the team. I don't care how pissed that Cavs owner is, if he could go back in time with what he knows now he would of DEF done the trade to get LBJ out of town

Oh ya, no doubt about it. He didn't get anything for one of the best players ever. He could have gotten a ransom but he was confident Lebron would stay. The owner of the Magic should have taken a lesson on that. The J*** did it with D Will, Hornets with CP3 (still way worse than what the Lakers gave) and Melo is another example.

Dwight will be traded, no doubt about it. They just wanted to keep him there for the All Star Game.

bigblue4417
02-24-2012, 12:18 PM
By the way, can you tell me who is in first place in our league? [;)]

It won't last long though I bet, you get to play the 3 worst teams all in a row. You got lucky with your schedule you ****er. I hope we get the 1 &amp; 2 seeds. You will for sure but it will be hard for me.


i should hopfully sweep - although im not sleeping on Russian Billionaire or Winning and Grinning

hopfully Slaughterhouse beats you... if not it will come down to not only who we play but how we do vs each other points wise for the rest of the year....



Why would you want Slaughterhouse to beat me? You scared? lol





why would i NOT want slaughterhouse to beat you? I have a 400 point lead on him

Because we could be at the top together. [{]

patsrule666
02-24-2012, 12:25 PM
I always knew mario was gone...

I for a few weeks I thought he would stay this year in between Smith leaving and Cruz errupting, but that was always on the wall IMO

I remember Pappy having huge arguements with me how we would have the money...

Honestly even if the cap was 10 more million i still don't think we'd resign him
</P>


Well, I think after last season it was a little different. I think that we thought Smith would re-sign, and that we'd have to part with Manningham after this season b/c of the $$....but then when Smith left, we were like...ooooook, well at least we can keep Manningham. Buuuuuuuuttttt...then we got Cruz....stud central!! There's no way we can keep everyone. And Nicks is the best athlete on the field on offense. So he's here long term. So we can build with these 2 youngens!</P>




I mean I never thought Manningham would be cheap. Obviously his price went up cuz of the postseason, but he would always cost a decent contract.
<U>
I think there is a scary possibility that we still lose Nicks or Cruz</U>
shut your mouth.
</P>


We will NOT lose either Nicks or Cruz.* Its almost impossible.* It is however very unlikely that we keep Manningham. </P>


88 and 80 (barring injury) will be mainstays in Giants blue.</P>


If the Steelers lose Wallace (which I doubt) MM could be a candidate for Pitt.* If not I can see SF, Seattle, Cleveland or even NE. (although I think Brandon Lloyd has the inside track for NE)</P>The only Mario that i want playing for us is from Texas and would be a perfect fit for our defense...

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 12:38 PM
Of course I'm jealous. To feel that beard tickling my balls would be awesome. </P>


+1</P>

JPizzack
02-24-2012, 12:41 PM
What was with the Manningham facebook update? Pretty pompous move? I mean, I know it to be the truth, but damn!