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Morehead State
07-16-2012, 11:06 AM
Yes to Flex

What the hell?
The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.

I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.

Matt's point - Flex = 3 RB's for everyone all the time.
My Point - Flex = more options for everyone every week.

and while I may have said something to the effect of "you know you are playing in a deep league when you play X Receiver" that is completely separate from whether flex is involved or not...they really have nothing to do with each other, you can play a deep league with flex or without.





No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs. It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results.

Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy
What is a 3 WR flex league? 2 RB's, 3 WR's, PLUS a flex?

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 11:07 AM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</p>


correct. and considering so many more teams are going 2+ RBs nowadays, that's a bigger decision than ever in fantasy.</p>
Here's my assessment..........<u>Good players don't like the flex. Marginal players like that crutch.</u>baloney

My case is made.It has nothing to do with people being good or not. Sucks when you pay over 20 bucks to play in a league only for your starting rb to get injured week 2. And some people just prefer higher scoring games.


that's why you handcuff when possible, the reason I like Flex is because it makes the starting lineup decision more difficult, in my opinion.

when it's 3WR mandatory then you just play your 3rd best WR every week there isn't much thought in that, but if you have a Flex you can play your 3rd WR OR your 3rd RB depending on the matchup's and such...I don't know it just seems like the decision is harder and there is more thinking involved when it comes to flex vs mandatory 3 WR's
Exactly, Its certainly not a "crutch". Its a double edge sword, you have more depth but you still have to make the right choice.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:10 AM
No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs.

#1) Fantasy isn't as dominated by the "One RB getting 25+ Carries a game" thing anymore, there's really only like 5 RB's in the entire league that do that anymore, so while I agree people still rush RB's in a flex, that isn't the best option anymore, if anything you can choose to buck the conventional wisdom of drafting RB's and choose WR's that shouldn't be there, but are, because others are just choosing RB's to fall in line.

#2) I think weekly match ups are the primary and drafting is secondary.



It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results.

Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy

I'd make that compromise, but just because everyone does pick 3 RB's when we do flex doesn't mean picking 3 RB's is the best way to go...look at the top ten WR's vs the top ten RB's last year.....the gap isn't like it used to be, it used to be the top ten RB's scored substantially more then the to 10 WR's ...(Talking like 3-4 times as many points) now it's almost even, drafting a 20th WR for your flex is better then drafting a 30th RB....it didn't used to be the case but it is now.

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 11:11 AM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</p>


correct. and considering so many more teams are going 2+ RBs nowadays, that's a bigger decision than ever in fantasy.</p>
Here's my assessment..........<u>Good players don't like the flex. Marginal players like that crutch.</u>baloney

My case is made.It has nothing to do with people being good or not. Sucks when you pay over 20 bucks to play in a league only for your starting rb to get injured week 2. And some people just prefer higher scoring games.


that's why you handcuff when possible, the reason I like Flex is because it makes the starting lineup decision more difficult, in my opinion.

when it's 3WR mandatory then you just play your 3rd best WR every week there isn't much thought in that, but if you have a Flex you can play your 3rd WR OR your 3rd RB depending on the matchup's and such...I don't know it just seems like the decision is harder and there is more thinking involved when it comes to flex vs mandatory 3 WR's
Exactly, Its certainly not a "crutch". Its a double edge sword, you have more depth but you still have to make the right choice.

Deciding who to start is no challenge. the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:18 AM
double post

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.

lawl
07-16-2012, 11:22 AM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 11:23 AM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.

Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

lawl
07-16-2012, 11:24 AM
If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:30 AM
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

The best "singular" thing I did last year was pick up Cam yes I agree, but the week to week decisions on whether to start say Malcom Floyd against Revis or start a lesser receiver against a team without a corner are also important...and making the right one week in and week out is just as important as picking the right players to begin with....if anything I would say more important.....picking the right players is a skill to a point....but you never know who is going to get injured or fall off you know? being able to decide when to start the lesser player because his opponent is inferior is also a skill but it can be applied every single week.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:31 AM
If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

Totally agree with this!

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:33 AM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.

It's most likely going to be either 2 RB-2WR+Flex or 3WR-2RB.

we've had this argument for 2 or 3 years running now....

MMB (and some others) believe the Flex somehow makes it "easier" I honestly think the exact opposite, it's funny we both want the same thing...a more "competitive" type of league...we just disagree with what makes it more competitive.

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 11:33 AM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</p>


correct. and considering so many more teams are going 2+ RBs nowadays, that's a bigger decision than ever in fantasy.</p>
Here's my assessment..........<u>Good players don't like the flex. Marginal players like that crutch.</u>baloney

My case is made.It has nothing to do with people being good or not. Sucks when you pay over 20 bucks to play in a league only for your starting rb to get injured week 2. And some people just prefer higher scoring games.


that's why you handcuff when possible, the reason I like Flex is because it makes the starting lineup decision more difficult, in my opinion.

when it's 3WR mandatory then you just play your 3rd best WR every week there isn't much thought in that, but if you have a Flex you can play your 3rd WR OR your 3rd RB depending on the matchup's and such...I don't know it just seems like the decision is harder and there is more thinking involved when it comes to flex vs mandatory 3 WR's
Exactly, Its certainly not a "crutch". Its a double edge sword, you have more depth but you still have to make the right choice.

Deciding who to start is no challenge. the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... <u>You win with preparation, not game time decisions.</u>What if a player is a gametime decision????hahaha

True it always gives you a leg up to be prepared but deciding who to start is indeed a challenge at times. Some matchups look just as enticing as others, and of course the golden rule in football, Any given Sunday

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 11:33 AM
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

The best "singular" thing I did last year was pick up Cam yes I agree, but the week to week decisions on whether to start say Malcom Floyd against Revis or start a lesser receiver against a team without a corner are also important...and making the right one week in and week out is just as important as picking the right players to begin with....if anything I would say more important.....picking the right players is a skill to a point....but you never know who is going to get injured or fall off you know? being able to decide when to start the lesser player because his opponent is inferior is also a skill but it can be applied every single week.

But thats not hard Daven. Knowing that a #1 WR is going against Revis is a huge consideration. But its part of FF. I agree that matchups are important, but its not hard to figure that stuff out. Building and maintaining your team is the hard part. If you have Floyd going up against Revis and have no other option, thats when your screwed. Build your team right, and you have another WR with a good matchup to start.

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 11:36 AM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.

It's most likely going to be either 2 RB-2WR+Flex or 3WR-2RB.

we've had this argument for 2 or 3 years running now....

MMB (and some others) believe the Flex somehow makes it "easier" I honestly think the exact opposite, it's funny we both want the same thing...a more "competitive" type of league...we just disagree with what makes it more competitive.

Flex makes it easier. You almost always start a RB over a WR. A couple years ago I had Addai as a great flex guy. I just plugged him in every week. Then I had LT two years ago...same thing. Not much to decide really.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:36 AM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.

I answered this before without seeing Matt's post, but if there is a 3 WR 2RB + Flex I'd be ALL for that....the more players we can get onto rosters the harder it makes the league obviously we need to up the roster by one though if we are adding a starting position.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:37 AM
Flex makes it easier. You almost always start a RB over a WR. A couple years ago I had Addai as a great flex guy. I just plugged him in every week. Then I had LT two years ago...same thing. Not much to decide really.

every year the NFL is becoming more and more Pass Heavy, WR's vs RB's is pretty much equal at this point....especially when you are talking about 3rd options.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:42 AM
But thats not hard Daven. Knowing that a #1 WR is going against Revis is a huge consideration. But its part of FF. I agree that matchups are important, but its not hard to figure that stuff out. Building and maintaining your team is the hard part. If you have Floyd going up against Revis and have no other option, thats when your screwed. Build your team right, and you have another WR with a good matchup to start.

knowing whether your #1 is going up against revies is a consideration yes, but deciding whether or not to start your #3 (or #4) instead of him because of that reason is a hard "decision" do you still play your #1 and hope revis can't stop him, or do you play your #3 and hope he has a big day....that's a decision...and add all those little decisions each week up and it's got a bigger effect on whether you make the playoffs or not then your original draft does in my opinion, the Flex makes those week to week decisions even harder because you have more choices.

honestly I think monitoring the FA's is the "most" important thing of all though.

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

The best "singular" thing I did last year was pick up Cam yes I agree, but the week to week decisions on whether to start say Malcom Floyd against Revis or start a lesser receiver against a team without a corner are also important...and making the right one week in and week out is just as important as picking the right players to begin with....if anything I would say more important.....picking the right players is a skill to a point....but you never know who is going to get injured or fall off you know? being able to decide when to start the lesser player because his opponent is inferior is also a skill but it can be applied every single week.

But thats not hard Daven. Knowing that a #1 WR is going against Revis is a huge consideration. But its part of FF. I agree that matchups are important, but its not hard to figure that stuff out. <u> Building and maintaining your team is the hard part.</u> If you have Floyd going up against Revis and have no other option, thats when your screwed. Build your team right, and you have another WR with a good matchup to start.If thats your main concern than shouldnt you want a flex for depth??

lawl
07-16-2012, 11:50 AM
If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

Totally agree with this!


I'd be commish if need be as long as one of you northerners handle the cash

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 11:58 AM
If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

Totally agree with this!


I'd be commish if need be as long as one of you northerners handle the cash

I doubt it'll ever fly, also with people coming in and out of the league what are we going to do, give the old owners team to the new guy, if the new guy gets a crappy team and then it's gonna take him 2 or 3 seasons to get up to snuff.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:02 PM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</P>


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na makes it more important and it shows in the draft. Everybody tries to get 3 RBs, if u don't have the value then u may not try for 3 RBs. But then everybody reaches on RB depth as well</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:05 PM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.

Matt's point - Flex = 3 RB's for everyone all the time.
My Point - Flex = more options for everyone every week.

and while I may have said something to the effect of "you know you are playing in a deep league when you play X Receiver" that is completely separate from whether flex is involved or not...they really have nothing to do with each other, you can play a deep league with flex or without.



No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs. It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results. Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy What is a 3 WR flex league? 2 RB's, 3 WR's, PLUS a flex?</P>


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I actually think its the perfect compromise, because then it truely becomes a strategical move at flex every week, but since you HAVE to start 3 WRs, you can't just forget about drafting them. There is so much talent at WR that two receivers just isn't enough to mandatory start IMO</P>

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 12:06 PM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</p>


</p>


na makes it more important and it shows in the draft. Everybody tries to get 3 RBs, if u don't have the value then u may not try for 3 RBs. But then everybody reaches on RB depth as well</p>

just because people do it doesn't make it the right thing to do Matt.

WR's and RB's are pretty much equal at this point, if it comes down to it I'm totally going to pick a WR before a RB if we are talking about picking up a #5 WR vs a #10 RB or a #25WR vs a #35RB

everyone else can rush to get 3 RB's if they want I won't do that because although that used to be the way to go about it, it isn't anymore....even though people still follow the method.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:06 PM
No my argument is that strategy should be in how you build your team and weekly matchups is a secondary strategy. When you do 2 WR flex leagues it always puts a rush on running backs.

#1) Fantasy isn't as dominated by the "One RB getting 25+ Carries a game" thing anymore, there's really only like 5 RB's in the entire league that do that anymore, so while I agree people still rush RB's in a flex, that isn't the best option anymore, if anything you can choose to buck the conventional wisdom of drafting RB's and choose WR's that shouldn't be there, but are, because others are just choosing RB's to fall in line.

#2) I think weekly match ups are the primary and drafting is secondary.



It's something that has been proven time and time again with you when we got back and look at draft results. Personally I say we compromise, 3 WR flex league, 6 point qb td. Tht way everybody is happy

I'd make that compromise, but just because everyone does pick 3 RB's when we do flex doesn't mean picking 3 RB's is the best way to go...look at the top ten WR's vs the top ten RB's last year.....the gap isn't like it used to be, it used to be the top ten RB's scored substantially more then the to 10 WR's ...(Talking like 3-4 times as many points) now it's almost even, drafting a 20th WR for your flex is better then drafting a 30th RB....it didn't used to be the case but it is now.

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fantasy football is all about the draft, everybody knows this</P>


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and everybody always tries to go for 3 RBs and then reaches for depth if they don'jt</P>


You swear that it doesn't kill the draft but u yourself had 3 RBs at the end of 4 rounds last time we had a flex league</P>


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http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2010/238030/draftresults?drafttab=team</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:07 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
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no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:07 PM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.</P>


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wow really, tahts surprising considering your pushing for the legacy league</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:08 PM
If you guys are wanting to out smart and find out who knows the most and knows how to build a team, then lets do a dynasty league.

Totally agree with this!
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i dont think we have enough really experienced fantasy guys to pull it off</P>


plus i'd rather start fresh and keep things going a new every year.</P>


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I would be open to some later round keeper rules though</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:09 PM
Flex makes it easier. You almost always start a RB over a WR. A couple years ago I had Addai as a great flex guy. I just plugged him in every week. Then I had LT two years ago...same thing. Not much to decide really.

every year the NFL is becoming more and more Pass Heavy, WR's vs RB's is pretty much equal at this point....especially when you are talking about 3rd options.
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which is exactly why a 2 WR flex league would make it a RB league, because everybody would go RB heavy because there is so much depth at WR to plug in 2 starters a week</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was.

The best "singular" thing I did last year was pick up Cam yes I agree, but the week to week decisions on whether to start say Malcom Floyd against Revis or start a lesser receiver against a team without a corner are also important...and making the right one week in and week out is just as important as picking the right players to begin with....if anything I would say more important.....picking the right players is a skill to a point....but you never know who is going to get injured or fall off you know? being able to decide when to start the lesser player because his opponent is inferior is also a skill but it can be applied every single week.
But thats not hard Daven. Knowing that a #1 WR is going against Revis is a huge consideration. But its part of FF. I agree that matchups are important, but its not hard to figure that stuff out. <U>Building and maintaining your team is the hard part.</U> If you have Floyd going up against Revis and have no other option, thats when your screwed. Build your team right, and you have another WR with a good matchup to start.If thats your main concern than shouldnt you want a flex for depth??

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no u need less depth for flex</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:11 PM
Yes to Flex
What the hell? The reason I'm anti flex is because I bought YOUR argument that having no flex was better for good players.

I don't know if I ever made that argument lol Matt was always against flex I was always for it.

I like being able to choose 3RB's or 3WR's each week, Matt has this idea that Fantasy is still about the RB (it used to be) so when you allow flex everyone will choose 3 good RB's....this won't happen but that's what he "thinks" will happen.
I'm confused.....No flex would make the RB LESS important.</P>


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na makes it more important and it shows in the draft. Everybody tries to get 3 RBs, if u don't have the value then u may not try for 3 RBs. But then everybody reaches on RB depth as well</P>




just because people do it doesn't make it the right thing to do Matt.

WR's and RB's are pretty much equal at this point, if it comes down to it I'm totally going to pick a WR before a RB if we are talking about picking up a #5 WR vs a #10 RB or a #25WR vs a #35RB

everyone else can rush to get 3 RB's if they want I won't do that because although that used to be the way to go about it, it isn't anymore....even though people still follow the method.
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its what always happens and u'd be stupid not to. Thats why it makes the league less competitive.</P>


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MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:14 PM
i have to be honest, i think im starting to like the idea of 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex RB/WR/TE, 1 TE best</P>

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 12:14 PM
fantasy football is all about the draft, everybody knows this

The draft is obviously important, but I don't agree it's the most important, to me the most important part is being able to adjust to the injuries that are going to happen during the year, the best draft in the world doesn't mean jack if you lose your starting RB and QB and have no idea who to pick up or trade for afterwards....


being good at recovering from the unexpected through FA and Trades is more important then setting up your team at the start...because you simple can not control what will happen through out the course of the year...the ability to adapt that's the biggest skill in Fantasy in my opinion.



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and everybody always tries to go for 3 RBs and then reaches for depth if they don'jt You swear that it doesn't kill the draft but u yourself had 3 RBs at the end of 4 rounds last time we had a flex league </p>

only because it made sense, right now WR's and RB's are very similar in terms of points scored, you want to ignore good WR's to get worse RB's just because of conventional wisdom....go ahead, I won't though.
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DavenIII
07-16-2012, 12:15 PM
its what always happens and u'd be stupid not to. Thats why it makes the league less competitive.

you'd be stupid to pick a lower value RB instead of a higher value WR....Value is always where it's at in the draft...look at "Reese" :P

the 3 RB theory was key back in the day when every team had one work horse....that's not the case anymore and thus the theory no longer holds true.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 12:18 PM
Flex makes it easier. You almost always start a RB over a WR. A couple years ago I had Addai as a great flex guy. I just plugged him in every week. Then I had LT two years ago...same thing. Not much to decide really.

every year the NFL is becoming more and more Pass Heavy, WR's vs RB's is pretty much equal at this point....especially when you are talking about 3rd options.
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which is exactly why a 2 WR flex league would make it a RB league, because everybody would go RB heavy because there is so much depth at WR to plug in 2 starters a week</p>

I disagree, because it's so pass heavy the starting WR's for teams are now scoring as many if not more fantasy points then the starting RB's....even more no that all the teams are splitting RB carries.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:19 PM
fantasy football is all about the draft, everybody knows this

The draft is obviously important, but I don't agree it's the most important, to me the most important part is being able to adjust to the injuries that are going to happen during the year, the best draft in the world doesn't mean jack if you lose your starting RB and QB and have no idea who to pick up or trade for afterwards....


being good at recovering from the unexpected through FA and Trades is more important then setting up your team at the start...because you simple can not control what will happen through out the course of the year...the ability to adapt that's the biggest skill in Fantasy in my opinion.



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and everybody always tries to go for 3 RBs and then reaches for depth if they don'jt</P>


You swear that it doesn't kill the draft but u yourself had 3 RBs at the end of 4 rounds last time we had a flex league</P>


only because it made sense, right now WR's and RB's are very similar in terms of points scored, you want to ignore good WR's to get worse RB's just because of conventional wisdom....go ahead, I won't though.
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so u think being able to adjust to injuries with the flex is a harder thing to do? I just don't see how thats possible at all.</P>


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Draft is the most important thing, making the decision between an RB3 and WR 2 isn't too hard especially once bye weeks start. </P>


When would it not make sense to grab 3 RBs if u only have 2 WRs to start?</P>


You said it yourself that NFL is a passing game so plug and playing 2 WRs wpould be the easiest thing to do. All anybody would do is just not draft 2 WRs soon.</P>


It doesn't make anything more interesting or tactical, it make you draft 3 RBs if your able to draft 3 RBs that are worth it.</P>


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Thats why I like the 3 WR and flex while keeping QB points at 6. I mean people just gotta build however they want</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:20 PM
its what always happens and u'd be stupid not to. Thats why it makes the league less competitive.

you'd be stupid to pick a lower value RB instead of a higher value WR....Value is always where it's at in the draft...look at "Reese" :P

the 3 RB theory was key back in the day when every team had one work horse....that's not the case anymore and thus the theory no longer holds true.
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no you wouldn't because u may not get that WR next round but odds are you'll probably be able to find a comparable WR. Too many receivers out there getting points to just mandatory start ionly 2 WRs.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:21 PM
Flex makes it easier. You almost always start a RB over a WR. A couple years ago I had Addai as a great flex guy. I just plugged him in every week. Then I had LT two years ago...same thing. Not much to decide really.

every year the NFL is becoming more and more Pass Heavy, WR's vs RB's is pretty much equal at this point....especially when you are talking about 3rd options.
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which is exactly why a 2 WR flex league would make it a RB league, because everybody would go RB heavy because there is so much depth at WR to plug in 2 starters a week</P>




I disagree, because it's so pass heavy the starting WR's for teams are now scoring as many if not more fantasy points then the starting RB's....even more no that all the teams are splitting RB carries.
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i mean i know you know your wrong by now but i'll keep going wtih u anyway becuase i only have ten more minutes of lunch...</P>


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everybody would just wait on WRs for the most part</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 12:30 PM
bottom line: last time Daven posted this same exact argument - he drafted 3 RBs in the 1st 4 rounds

#themoreyouknow

JPizzack
07-16-2012, 12:59 PM
fantasy football season!!

Every year im like "I'm only gonna do 1 league this year...."

And every year I get roped into more....ugh

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 01:08 PM
Draft is the most important thing

No it's not adaptability is the most important thing.






When would it not make sense to grab 3 RBs if u only have 2 WRs to start?</p>

When the WR you could grab is better then Any RB that's currently available? It's almost as though you see flex as Automatic RB start...RB's and WR's score pretty much the same amount of fantasy points now, there is no reason to start a RB over a WR in the Flex....(and vica versa) you should just start(and draft) the one who is the best value.
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You said it yourself that NFL is a passing game so plug and playing 2 WRs wpould be the easiest thing to do.</p>

And adding a 3rd one into the Flex instead of a RB also makes sense!
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DavenIII
07-16-2012, 01:13 PM
bottom line: last time Daven posted this same exact argument - he drafted 3 RBs in the 1st 4 rounds

#themoreyouknow

you say that as if it means anything, I picked 3 RB's because they were the best players available at my point in the draft, if there was a better WR available I would have went that way...

the point is WR's and RB's are interchangeable....it didn't used to be that way but it is now.

Calvin Johnson and and Arian Foster are equal....as far as value, there is no reason to draft 3 RB's immediately whan you could draft 2 WR's and 1 RB and get better players.

people only do it because it's conventional wisdom...it makes no sense, you are deciding to vote against the flex because you think there is only way to draft if it is there because of some old conventional wisdom that no longer applies.

to be honest I don't care one way or another It just irks me that you are basing your decision off of something that doesn't make any sense.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 01:17 PM
everybody would just wait on WRs for the most part

Ok MMB question, 3rd round, Flex League, you have an option of picking.

Roy Helu or Mike Wallace

who do you pick.

I know I'm going with Wallace....but I suppose you would go with Roy Helu because you just "have" to get three RB's **** the fact that Wallace scores more points and will help your team more...he's a receiver so you can't pick him yet right?

you are ******ed....and the reason you hate the flex makes no sense...if it made sense I wouldn't care but it makes no sense.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 01:25 PM
its what always happens and u'd be stupid not to. Thats why it makes the league less competitive.

you'd be stupid to pick a lower value RB instead of a higher value WR....Value is always where it's at in the draft...look at "Reese" :P

the 3 RB theory was key back in the day when every team had one work horse....that's not the case anymore and thus the theory no longer holds true.
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no you wouldn't because u may not get that WR next round but odds are you'll probably be able to find a comparable WR. Too many receivers out there getting points to just mandatory start ionly 2 WRs.</p>

yes you would because drafting 3 top flight receivers is better then drafting 2 top flight receivers and 1 mediocre RB.

it's almost as if you would reccomend starting a BAD RB in the Flex over a good WR in the flex just because...well it's a running back....which is ******ed...

the flex lets you start 3 WR's too if you want...so if the 3 best players you can get are receivers why not get them...why get worse players just because of their positions?

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 01:27 PM
bottom line: last time Daven posted this same exact argument - he drafted 3 RBs in the 1st 4 rounds

#themoreyouknowYa mans Jason Kidd was busted in a DWI.

JPizzack
07-16-2012, 02:27 PM
bottom line: last time Daven posted this same exact argument - he drafted 3 RBs in the 1st 4 rounds #themoreyouknowYa mans Jason Kidd was busted in a DWI.
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heard the knicks got Felton back though. if he worked out this summer, he's a good option. but the dude is chubby...</P>

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 02:45 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?

JPizzack
07-16-2012, 03:02 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>

byron
07-16-2012, 03:20 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was. </P>


best move I made was picking upKabar Bell !!</P>


</P>

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 03:27 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was. </P>


best move I made was picking upKabar Bell !!</P>


</P>
Ha!!!..You son of a gun. I think it was Kallil Bell. And yes, that won it for you.

byron
07-16-2012, 03:27 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
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</P>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</P> bpa....or justwing it

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 03:28 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>
OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go.

byron
07-16-2012, 03:33 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P> OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!!

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 03:36 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P> OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!!
What is it you guys aren't understanding?

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 03:38 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</p>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</p>
OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go.oh thats finally happening. yipeeee

JPizzack
07-16-2012, 03:40 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>


OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!! What is it you guys aren't understanding?</P>


not that I dont believe YOU....but, I'll believe it when I see it happen I guess is what B meant lol, and im with him!! haha</P>

byron
07-16-2012, 03:42 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
Game day decisions are the easiest part of FF. Its having the right players to choose from that's the challenge. Using the waiver wires properly, beating other players to free agents. etc... This is the hard part and the part that needs the most attention. The best thing you did last year was pick up Cam Newton. Best thing I did was trade for Matt Stafford. Deciding to start Stafford wasn't hard. Getting him was. </P>


best move I made was picking upKabar Bell !!</P>


</P> Ha!!!..You son of a gun. I think it was Kallil Bell. And yes, that won it for you.haha its true I don't pick up bell and play him I lose you win as I remember it I played him over Blunt...lando throught I was crazy... well he's right I am...I had no faith in Blunt and bell was coming off a good game going into week 17

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 03:42 PM
will we lose the history...:(

we still haven't gotten to 10,000 pages yet.

byron
07-16-2012, 03:44 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>


OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!! What is it you guys aren't understanding?</P>


not that I dont believe YOU....but, I'll believe it when I see it happen I guess is what B meant lol, and im with him!! haha</P>thats it Jp we've been promised this before !!!

dezzzR
07-16-2012, 03:44 PM
will we lose the history...:(

we still haven't gotten to 10,000 pages yet.
Im pretty positive we broke the record for most pages in a thread.

Morehead State
07-16-2012, 03:45 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>


OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!! What is it you guys aren't understanding?</P>


not that I dont believe YOU....but, I'll believe it when I see it happen I guess is what B meant lol, and im with him!! haha</P>
Oh! Personally I hope it never happens but evidentally is on for Monday.

JPizzack
07-16-2012, 03:46 PM
will we lose the history...:(

we still haven't gotten to 10,000 pages yet.
Im pretty positive we broke the record for most pages in a thread.
</P>


yea, but for some reason we didn't get it acknowledged.....matt has more info on that I think.</P>

lawl
07-16-2012, 03:53 PM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.</P>


*</P>


wow really, tahts surprising considering your pushing for the legacy league</P>

Its how it is in the dynasty league. 3 wr 2 Rb 1 te and a rb/te/wr flex

lawl
07-16-2012, 03:55 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</P>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</P>


OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!! What is it you guys aren't understanding?</P>


not that I dont believe YOU....but, I'll believe it when I see it happen I guess is what B meant lol, and im with him!! haha</P>
Oh! Personally I hope it never happens but evidentally is on for Monday.

Evidentally?

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 04:02 PM
Matt you'd better screen cap this thread and save it somewhere for posterity.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 04:06 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?</p>


huh? apparently it doesnt make sense lol</p>


OK Pizz. Let me explain it to you. The boards are closing Wednesday and the new boards are opening Monday. We will obviously want to start our thread again. I was suggesting that Matt start it on Monday so we all know where to go. I ain't buying it!!! What is it you guys aren't understanding?</p>


not that I dont believe YOU....but, I'll believe it when I see it happen I guess is what B meant lol, and im with him!! haha</p>
Oh! Personally I hope it never happens but evidentally is on for Monday.

Evidentally?

I think Morehead just created a new internet meme...it used to be...

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/159/012/obamaaccidentally.jpg

now we can substitute evidently as well.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 04:19 PM
Oh god pizz, those comments on your birthday Reddit Post are hilarious!!!!

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:26 PM
its what always happens and u'd be stupid not to. Thats why it makes the league less competitive.

you'd be stupid to pick a lower value RB instead of a higher value WR....Value is always where it's at in the draft...look at "Reese" :P

the 3 RB theory was key back in the day when every team had one work horse....that's not the case anymore and thus the theory no longer holds true.
</p>


</p>


no you wouldn't because u may not get that WR next round but odds are you'll probably be able to find a comparable WR. Too many receivers out there getting points to just mandatory start ionly 2 WRs.</p>

yes you would because drafting 3 top flight receivers is better then drafting 2 top flight receivers and 1 mediocre RB.

it's almost as if you would reccomend starting a BAD RB in the Flex over a good WR in the flex just because...well it's a running back....which is ******ed...

the flex lets you start 3 WR's too if you want...so if the 3 best players you can get are receivers why not get them...why get worse players just because of their positions?


Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:26 PM
bottom line: last time Daven posted this same exact argument - he drafted 3 RBs in the 1st 4 rounds

#themoreyouknowYa mans Jason Kidd was busted in a DWI.


haha leaving a charity...

his heart was in the right place

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:27 PM
For the sake of an orderly transition, may I suggest that Matt start the new THEE thread on Monday, July 22nd. That way there is no confusion. Does this make sense?

soon as it opens i'll do it

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:28 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</p>


</p>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</p> bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:29 PM
will we lose the history...:(

we still haven't gotten to 10,000 pages yet.



yea pretty sure we are

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:30 PM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.</p>


</p>


wow really, tahts surprising considering your pushing for the legacy league</p>

Its how it is in the dynasty league. 3 wr 2 Rb 1 te and a rb/te/wr flex

i know thats why im saying im surprised ur that against it

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:30 PM
will we lose the history...:(

we still haven't gotten to 10,000 pages yet.
Im pretty positive we broke the record for most pages in a thread.
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yea, but for some reason we didn't get it acknowledged.....matt has more info on that I think.</p>

i googled it for a day, i never got the answer I wanted and we had to pay to even be reviewed - **** that

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 04:39 PM
Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

I've looked, there isn't a large discrepancy I see no reason why someone wouldn't give up say a #24 RB for a #20 WR.

of course some people will end up with 3 top 24 RB's others will end up with 3 top 24 Wr's which is just as good, those two things are the same now, it didn't used to be but it is now...which is why Flex doesn't necessarily mean everyone should go for an extra RB anymore, now they should go where ever the value is...and it's pretty equal between WR and RB so which ever the best on the board is at that time WR or RB doesn't matter is the player that should be taken.

lawl
07-16-2012, 04:47 PM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.</p>


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wow really, tahts surprising considering your pushing for the legacy league</p>

Its how it is in the dynasty league. 3 wr 2 Rb 1 te and a rb/te/wr flex

i know thats why im saying im surprised ur that against it


Yea. The reason I like it in that format is that I have alot iof,young players and over time I'll have a stud at every starting position. Can't do that ina one year format.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:48 PM
Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

I've looked, there isn't a large discrepancy I see no reason why someone wouldn't give up say a #24 RB for a #20 WR.

of course some people will end up with 3 top 24 RB's others will end up with 3 top 24 Wr's which is just as good, those two things are the same now, it didn't used to be but it is now...which is why Flex doesn't necessarily mean everyone should go for an extra RB anymore, now they should go where ever the value is...and it's pretty equal between WR and RB so which ever the best on the board is at that time WR or RB doesn't matter is the player that should be taken.


because the top 20 WR isn't a huge drop off from the 35th WR...

lawl
07-16-2012, 04:51 PM
Like right now the notable guys on my team are Eli, run dmc, beanie Wells, the law firm, witten, vjack,, Roddy white, Steve.Smith (car), Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 04:51 PM
If theres a potential for a 3 wr 2 rb plus a flex then I do not want to vote for flex.</p>


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wow really, tahts surprising considering your pushing for the legacy league</p>

Its how it is in the dynasty league. 3 wr 2 Rb 1 te and a rb/te/wr flex

i know thats why im saying im surprised ur that against it


Yea. The reason I like it in that format is that I have alot iof,young players and over time I'll have a stud at every starting position. Can't do that ina one year format.

well you kind of played into the whole thats why flex sucks argument.

Its not about just draftin BPA, its about putting together the best possible team. If it was really about just getting whoever is best, then QBs should be all first round since they score the most points. Theres no stratagy in regular flex, QBs and WRs are deep. People will reach on the top of each but its going to be RB heavy. ANd anybody that doesn't go that route will be left in the wind most likely and everybody that drafts knows it.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 04:56 PM
Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

I've looked, there isn't a large discrepancy I see no reason why someone wouldn't give up say a #24 RB for a #20 WR.

of course some people will end up with 3 top 24 RB's others will end up with 3 top 24 Wr's which is just as good, those two things are the same now, it didn't used to be but it is now...which is why Flex doesn't necessarily mean everyone should go for an extra RB anymore, now they should go where ever the value is...and it's pretty equal between WR and RB so which ever the best on the board is at that time WR or RB doesn't matter is the player that should be taken.


because the top 20 WR isn't a huge drop off from the 35th WR...


even down to the 35th you got Donald Brown at 103 Fantasy Pts vs Eric Decker at 113 Fantasy points.

now that's 70 picks just from RB/WR throw in at least 6 more QB's maybe a TE like Gronk etc etc

the first 80 picks I don't think you are getting deeper then the 35th RB or WR and it's still even at that point....we have 12 teams

80/12=6.666 repeating...

flex can't possible even come into effect in terms of picking until the late 6th round, and even then I'm not sure wat the drop off is past 35 but at that point people are already going to have their starting 5 players for 2RB and 2WR and the Flex.

Flex "shouldn't" have the impact you think it does anymore MMB, if it does it's simply because people are picking based off old conventional wisdom and now what's really best for the team.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 05:00 PM
QBs and WRs are deep.

WR's aren't much deeper then RB's Matt, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

maybe if we were playing with 20 teams...

but down to 35 even 40 players deep for RB's and WR's they are still pretty even points wise.

you are talking 80 picks...no one "should" be rushing the RB picks...it doesn't make sense to, people WILL because it's conventional wisdom...but it just doesn't hold true anymore.

DavenIII
07-16-2012, 05:05 PM
heading home, I'm just saying Matt (and everyone else buying into his opinion)

do the research yourself, look up last years RB's vs WR's there is practically no difference until pretty late...like 40+ and even then it's 10-15 points lower for RB's....which coincidentally is how much higher the top 5-10 RB's are higher then their WR's counter parts.

if you want to rush RB's if we go flex go for it, but it's probably not the smart thing to do anymore...unless you get lucky and certain RB's just happen to be available...that's what happened to me the other year when we played with the Flex, guess what happened I still ended up doing poorly....cause I didn't have solid Receivers...

lawl
07-16-2012, 05:05 PM
I don't care what we do, but I would love for qb tds to be 4 pts

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:10 PM
Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

I've looked, there isn't a large discrepancy I see no reason why someone wouldn't give up say a #24 RB for a #20 WR.

of course some people will end up with 3 top 24 RB's others will end up with 3 top 24 Wr's which is just as good, those two things are the same now, it didn't used to be but it is now...which is why Flex doesn't necessarily mean everyone should go for an extra RB anymore, now they should go where ever the value is...and it's pretty equal between WR and RB so which ever the best on the board is at that time WR or RB doesn't matter is the player that should be taken.


because the top 20 WR isn't a huge drop off from the 35th WR...


even down to the 35th you got Donald Brown at 103 Fantasy Pts vs Eric Decker at 113 Fantasy points.

now that's 70 picks just from RB/WR throw in at least 6 more QB's maybe a TE like Gronk etc etc

the first 80 picks I don't think you are getting deeper then the 35th RB or WR and it's still even at that point....we have 12 teams

80/12=6.666 repeating...

flex can't possible even come into effect in terms of picking until the late 6th round, and even then I'm not sure wat the drop off is past 35 but at that point people are already going to have their starting 5 players for 2RB and 2WR and the Flex.

Flex "shouldn't" have the impact you think it does anymore MMB, if it does it's simply because people are picking based off old conventional wisdom and now what's really best for the team.



lol it will EVEN MORE. In general, RBs will go fast and WRs will be waited out in a standard league. Add the possibility of someone with the first pick being able to grab Arian Foster, and come back with the snake of a combo like Trent Richardson/Darren Sproles type tandem. Bet your *** whoever is going to do that will do that instead of drafting a Julio Jones or Victor Cruz, because next time they come snake they will land a Steve Smith and Desean Jackson type. And by that time do you know what running backs are left? Doug Martin? Hillis?

Giving somebody the opportunity to land 3 RBs will turn it into a RB draft. Forcing them to draft 3 WRs, people won't be forced and there could actually be some stratagy instead of well if you got a shot at 3 RBs, you take it. It will filter the rest of the draft when it happens.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:11 PM
I don't care what we do, but I would love for qb tds to be 4 pts

no way i'm voting that if we do a regular flex... talk about just making it COMPLETELY about the RBs.

At least if we have 6 points for QB TDs, there will be something there to counter balance people from really just trying to draft all RBs.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:12 PM
heading home, I'm just saying Matt (and everyone else buying into his opinion)

do the research yourself, look up last years RB's vs WR's there is practically no difference until pretty late...like 40+ and even then it's 10-15 points lower for RB's....which coincidentally is how much higher the top 5-10 RB's are higher then their WR's counter parts.

if you want to rush RB's if we go flex go for it, but it's probably not the smart thing to do anymore...unless you get lucky and certain RB's just happen to be available...that's what happened to me the other year when we played with the Flex, guess what happened I still ended up doing poorly....cause I didn't have solid Receivers...


it doesn't matter how it ends up, it matters how the draft goes

If u think Going Foster - Richardson - Turner isn't the move to make because you wan tBrandon MArshall, well then im glad your a paying a customer in the league

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:14 PM
Its simple Daven, go look at the top 36 WRs and go look at the top 24 RBs...

then add in the fact that some people will be getting 3 of the top 24 RBs...

I've looked, there isn't a large discrepancy I see no reason why someone wouldn't give up say a #24 RB for a #20 WR.

of course some people will end up with 3 top 24 RB's others will end up with 3 top 24 Wr's which is just as good, those two things are the same now, it didn't used to be but it is now...which is why Flex doesn't necessarily mean everyone should go for an extra RB anymore, now they should go where ever the value is...and it's pretty equal between WR and RB so which ever the best on the board is at that time WR or RB doesn't matter is the player that should be taken.


because the top 20 WR isn't a huge drop off from the 35th WR...


even down to the 35th you got Donald Brown at 103 Fantasy Pts vs Eric Decker at 113 Fantasy points.

now that's 70 picks just from RB/WR throw in at least 6 more QB's maybe a TE like Gronk etc etc

the first 80 picks I don't think you are getting deeper then the 35th RB or WR and it's still even at that point....we have 12 teams

80/12=6.666 repeating...
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flex can't possible even come into effect in terms of picking until the late 6th round,</font> and even then I'm not sure wat the drop off is past 35 but at that point people are already going to have their starting 5 players for 2RB and 2WR and the Flex.

Flex "shouldn't" have the impact you think it does anymore MMB, if it does it's simply because people are picking based off old conventional wisdom and now what's really best for the team.



it just doesn't make sense for you t osay that when you drafted 3 RBs in the first 4 rounds last time we did flex. If we were standard league at that time and u did that you would of shot yourself in the foot

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:18 PM
QBs and WRs are deep.

WR's aren't much deeper then RB's Matt, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

maybe if we were playing with 20 teams...

but down to 35 even 40 players deep for RB's and WR's they are still pretty even points wise.

you are talking 80 picks...no one "should" be rushing the RB picks...it doesn't make sense to, people WILL because it's conventional wisdom...but it just doesn't hold true anymore.


well i think thats insane to say... I think theres a huge difference between a Shonn Greene and a Miles Austin...

Then go look at possible WR3s a guy like Stevie Johnson or Reggie Wayne.. who could also really be WR2s...

so anybody that is doing any sort of research for this draft is going to go 3 RBs if they can... which isn't strategic, its common sense.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:19 PM
FLEX VOTE UPDATE:

NO FLEX: Me, Amanda, Pappy, Byron

YES FLEX: Daven, Lawl, Sharick, Kase

waiting on Lando, LT, and Pats

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:21 PM
QBs and WRs are deep.

WR's aren't much deeper then RB's Matt, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

maybe if we were playing with 20 teams...

but down to 35 even 40 players deep for RB's and WR's they are still pretty even points wise.

you are talking 80 picks...no one "should" be rushing the RB picks...it doesn't make sense to, people WILL because it's conventional wisdom...but it just doesn't hold true anymore.


I just don't get how u can say WRs aren't deeper, but RBs values are decreased because of the passing game. Its like your talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:24 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?

lawl
07-16-2012, 05:25 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?


What happened to bandy

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:29 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?


What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 05:54 PM
FLEX VOTE UPDATE:

NO FLEX: Me, Amanda, Pappy, Byron, Lando

YES FLEX: Daven, Lawl, Sharick, Kase

waiting on LT and Pats

5-4

this will be down to the wire. I say I start another vote either way after this - should we just do the compromise?

Flex with 3 WRs so 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex (RB,WR,TE)

byron
07-16-2012, 06:03 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</P>


</P>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</P>


bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is
</P>


all things have to be considered of coarse knowing the players is big and important as to how you draft your team.....drafts aren't all that predictable so I don't put alot of time in on mocks...last year I done one mock draft....but I did have a plan which I used when we drafted with pretty much the same results or the results I expected....the first three rounds "at least" I'm after topff point getters and even if I have to reach......"B is after point getters".....that being saidI spend alot of time studing the top 100 and after that Iwatchthe waiver wire hard looking or sleepers and what not ......ff is not all that simple but keeping it as simple as I can helps .....just saying brother... oh yeah and being predictableisn't a good thing in ff....look out!!!</P>

byron
07-16-2012, 06:06 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 06:07 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</p>


</p>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</p>


bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is
</p>


all things have to be considered of coarse knowing the players is big and important as to how you draft your team.....drafts aren't all that predictable so I don't put alot of time in on mocks...last year I done one mock draft....but I did have a plan which I used when we drafted with pretty much the same results or the results I expected....the first three rounds "at least" I'm after topff point getters and even if I have to reach......"B is after point getters".....that being saidI spend alot of time studing the top 100 and after that Iwatchthe waiver wire hard looking or sleepers and what not ......ff is not all that simple but keeping it as simple as I can helps .....just saying brother... oh yeah and being predictableisn't a good thing in ff....look out!!!</p>

haha trust me i know... if this league goes flex and i get a certain pick i want - i will be dropping a bomb on the league

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 06:07 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian

byron
07-16-2012, 06:20 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</P>


</P>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</P>


bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is
</P>


all things have to be considered of coarse knowing the players is big and important as to how you draft your team.....drafts aren't all that predictable so I don't put alot of time in on mocks...last year I done one mock draft....but I did have a plan which I used when we drafted with pretty much the same results or the results I expected....the first three rounds "at least" I'm after topff point getters and even if I have to reach......"B is after point getters".....that being saidI spend alot of time studing the top 100 and after that Iwatchthe waiver wire hard looking or sleepers and what not ......ff is not all that simple but keeping it as simple as I can helps .....just saying brother... oh yeah and being predictableisn't a good thing in ff....look out!!!</P>

haha trust me i know... if this league goes flex and i get a certain pick i want - i will be dropping a bomb on the league
you knowlast year it came down to my first two pics they dictated the rest of my draft really.....I was drafting at ten I believe it was"second half of the order" unless one of the top rbs was there I was going wr or qb my plan was to get DB or AR in the first two rounds and a top WR...I took AR and Roddy W who didn't have a great year but alright....I'm all done telling my secrets....you sly dog you!! ;)

byron
07-16-2012, 06:22 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 06:22 PM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</p>


</p>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</p>


bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is
</p>


all things have to be considered of coarse knowing the players is big and important as to how you draft your team.....drafts aren't all that predictable so I don't put alot of time in on mocks...last year I done one mock draft....but I did have a plan which I used when we drafted with pretty much the same results or the results I expected....the first three rounds "at least" I'm after topff point getters and even if I have to reach......"B is after point getters".....that being saidI spend alot of time studing the top 100 and after that Iwatchthe waiver wire hard looking or sleepers and what not ......ff is not all that simple but keeping it as simple as I can helps .....just saying brother... oh yeah and being predictableisn't a good thing in ff....look out!!!</p>

haha trust me i know... if this league goes flex and i get a certain pick i want - i will be dropping a bomb on the league
you knowlast year it came down to my first two pics they dictated the rest of my draft really.....I was drafting at ten I believe it was"second half of the order" unless one of the top rbs was there I was going wr or qb my plan was to get DB or AR in the first two rounds and a top WR...I took AR and Roddy W who didn't have a great year but alright....I'm all done telling my secrets....you sly dog you!! ;)

dont let me get the pick i want... i will blow this league upppppppppppp

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 06:23 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!

starting posting either fat girls, maple syrup, or fat girls covered in maple syrup and it will be ilke the bat signal and he'll come a-posting

byron
07-16-2012, 06:28 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!

starting posting either fat girls, maple syrup, or fat girls covered in maple syrup and it will be ilke the bat signal and he'll come a-posting
haha</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJcnj0v7UtM</P>


bring Bandy back to us Syrup girl !!</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-16-2012, 06:35 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!

starting posting either fat girls, maple syrup, or fat girls covered in maple syrup and it will be ilke the bat signal and he'll come a-posting
haha</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJcnj0v7UtM</p>


bring Bandy back to us Syrup girl !!</p>

youtube blocked at this job :(

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:30 AM
dont listen to dezz, he plays in a league that has 2 QBs and 2 Kickers.....
Plud he starts players who are on IR.Im sorry I dont play with my roster every 30 mins like soooome people round here

I think you actually started a dead guy once.
<font size="6">LMAO!!!!!!</font>

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:32 AM
3 WR flex league,
Terrrrrrrrrrrible idea

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:38 AM
Like right now the <font color="#0000FF">notable </font>guys on my team are Eli, run dmc, beanie Wells, the law firm, witten, vjack,, Roddy white, <font color="#0000FF">Steve.Smith (car)</font>, Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd.
Thanks for pointing that out because the other SS is sooooooooo notable right now. lol

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:38 AM
Nothing like some FF to get the thread poppin. I'm sad I missed it.

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:40 AM
dont let me get the pick i want...

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fe23220eab8eafe5d000014-400-300/peyton-manning-denver-broncos.jpg

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 09:13 AM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!</P>


yea, those cananadadaians are suchsofties.
Where is that POS?! i will beat the piss out of him!! I love him, lol</P>

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 09:18 AM
dont let me get the pick i want...

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fe23220eab8eafe5d000014-400-300/peyton-manning-denver-broncos.jpg


Maybe you like Peyton Manning....that guys pretty good.....if ya like , 6'5" 230 lb quarterbacks.......laser, rocket arms......

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 09:28 AM
QBs and WRs are deep.

WR's aren't much deeper then RB's Matt, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

maybe if we were playing with 20 teams...

but down to 35 even 40 players deep for RB's and WR's they are still pretty even points wise.

you are talking 80 picks...no one "should" be rushing the RB picks...it doesn't make sense to, people WILL because it's conventional wisdom...but it just doesn't hold true anymore.


I just don't get how u can say WRs aren't deeper, but RBs values are decreased because of the passing game. Its like your talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.




WR's aren't deeper, go look up last years stats....they are right there for you to see...up until 40+ it's pretty much equal.

Rb's values have been and are decreased because of the passing game.

but I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth, RB's used to just flat out be better then WR's hence the pick 3 RB's if you can in flex leagues, but now...they aren't better anymore, they are the same, they have the same depth and score the same amount of points...so while the flex USED to be a RB if you could get a decent one, not it's a RB OR a WR their is no difference, so there shouldn't be a rush on RB's...if their is it's because people are just living in the past.

when I got my 3 RB's 2 years ago it's because the 3 RB's where the best available at the time, if there was a receiver ahead of the RB I took 2nd or 3rd on the board I would have taken the WR instead.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 09:32 AM
3 WR flex league,
Terrrrrrrrrrrible idea


why is that?

Makes the league more competitive, def more strategic, and gives Daven that weekly option that would make the flexers happy

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 09:34 AM
QBs and WRs are deep.

WR's aren't much deeper then RB's Matt, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

maybe if we were playing with 20 teams...

but down to 35 even 40 players deep for RB's and WR's they are still pretty even points wise.

you are talking 80 picks...no one "should" be rushing the RB picks...it doesn't make sense to, people WILL because it's conventional wisdom...but it just doesn't hold true anymore.


I just don't get how u can say WRs aren't deeper, but RBs values are decreased because of the passing game. Its like your talking out of both sides of your mouth on this.




WR's aren't deeper, go look up last years stats....they are right there for you to see...up until 40+ it's pretty much equal.

Rb's values have been and are decreased because of the passing game.

but I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth, RB's used to just flat out be better then WR's hence the pick 3 RB's if you can in flex leagues, but now...they aren't better anymore, they are the same, they have the same depth and score the same amount of points...so while the flex USED to be a RB if you could get a decent one, not it's a RB OR a WR their is no difference, so there shouldn't be a rush on RB's...if their is it's because people are just living in the past.

when I got my 3 RB's 2 years ago it's because the 3 RB's where the best available at the time, if there was a receiver ahead of the RB I took 2nd or 3rd on the board I would have taken the WR instead.


again your arguement is moot.

First its ridiculous because you tell me to look at past years stats when it suits you, but then say its not the same draft as past years.

Second its ridiculous because of this simple fact, you could have a range of 20 guys that everybody would be satisfactory wtih having as their WR 2, most people are dreading the end of the top 24 RBs as their RB2...

exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 09:35 AM
dont let me get the pick i want...

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fe23220eab8eafe5d000014-400-300/peyton-manning-denver-broncos.jpg


if this league flexes you've been warned

byron
07-17-2012, 09:40 AM
dont let me get the pick i want...

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fe23220eab8eafe5d000014-400-300/peyton-manning-denver-broncos.jpg


Maybe you like Peyton Manning....that guys pretty good.....if ya like , 6'5" 230 lb quarterbacks.......laser, rocket arms...... he is going to get his head knocked off sticking his neck out like that !....he shouldn't even be playing football.... jmho I wouldn't draft him with your draft pick ;)

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 09:50 AM
Deciding who to start is no challenge.

you don't take into account who your players are playing against? of course there is challenge in who to start week to week.


the challenge is building your team, monitoring the league and having some imagination on who to pick up and who to drop. It means knowing the schedule, who's got what opponents down the road. Who's got bye's coming up. etc..... You win with preparation, not game time decisions.

I would say are both equal, paying attention the day of to see if someone is a late scratch...whether it be your #2 WR for example...or just as important say you have a #2 WR going up against revis so you decide to sit him but that day Revis is scratched....you have time to go in and re-start your #2 guy.

Game day decisions are just as important as your draft over the long run, just like your Free Agent picks are just as important as well, the draft is obviously important, but being able to make decisions week to week and being able to recover from injuries the the free agent market are just as important.
</p>


</p>


no where near to the degree that we put time into figuring who we want to draft and how is the best way to go about it</p>


bpa....or justwing it

well that may be you, but most people mock and do alot of research. You may get that on sundays with some decisions, but nothing is bigger than deciding who u think is BPA and getting info on your players. The most research is def done in the draft in comparison to putting a starting lineup out. Infact the draft dictates what your starting lineup is
</p>


all things have to be considered of coarse knowing the players is big and important as to how you draft your team.....drafts aren't all that predictable so I don't put alot of time in on mocks...last year I done one mock draft....but I did have a plan which I used when we drafted with pretty much the same results or the results I expected....the first three rounds "at least" I'm after topff point getters and even if I have to reach......"B is after point getters".....that being saidI spend alot of time studing the top 100 and after that Iwatchthe waiver wire hard looking or sleepers and what not ......ff is not all that simple but keeping it as simple as I can helps .....just saying brother... oh yeah and being predictableisn't a good thing in ff....look out!!!</p>

haha trust me i know... if this league goes flex and i get a certain pick i want - i will be dropping a bomb on the league
you knowlast year it came down to my first two pics they dictated the rest of my draft really.....I was drafting at ten I believe it was"second half of the order" unless one of the top rbs was there I was going wr or qb my plan was to get DB or AR in the first two rounds and a top WR...I took AR and Roddy W who didn't have a great year but alright....I'm all done telling my secrets....you sly dog you!! ;)

dont let me get the pick i want... i will blow this league upppppppppppp


I hope you get the pick you want, I just want to see it blow up in your face, I want to see what excuses you come up with or if you decide to just drop it an not talk about it.

Also I hope we go flex and you pick 3 RB's leave better WR's up on the board and get wrecked because of it, it's funny you and me talk like we know everything because you and me have been playing the longest....but we both did pretty terrible last year (I was 6 points less then you total)

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 09:55 AM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.

byron
07-17-2012, 10:01 AM
All Entry Fees to FF this year are to be mailed to yours truly, so as to save postage and handling fees...I have been scouting hard this year and spankage is on the way...lol. If my vote means anything, i vote for flex...QB 4 points is ok with me...Don't have too much right now for Shwagg but i do have a Kiwanuka Rookie Auto, Nicks Rookie, Some Ruby Randle Rookies, and a few other things. bump..... this was a while back

byron
07-17-2012, 10:07 AM
12/ any suggestions?

Yeah.

#1) ESPN
#2) Flex
#3) QB TD's 4 points not 6.


(And before you say It I know you meant any suggestions for new players...I just took the opportunity :P)

ESPN, every year. lol

We play Yahoo cause it keeps our stats.

I think it should be kept same as last year. QB TD's make it a more QB important league.
again awhile back....not sure if this is a vote for or against flex...same as last would lead one to believe no flex ;)

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 10:25 AM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
.

Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 10:27 AM
12/ any suggestions?

Yeah.

#1) ESPN
#2) Flex
#3) QB TD's 4 points not 6.


(And before you say It I know you meant any suggestions for new players...I just took the opportunity :P)

ESPN, every year. lol

We play Yahoo cause it keeps our stats.

I think it should be kept same as last year. QB TD's make it a more QB important league.
again awhile back....*not sure if this is a vote for or against flex...same as last would lead one to believe no flex ;)

Lol we aren't ever voting on yahoo/ESPN again lol. 75% sy yahoo every year.

We are waiting on LT and Pats

byron
07-17-2012, 10:32 AM
12/ any suggestions?

Yeah.

#1) ESPN
#2) Flex
#3) QB TD's 4 points not 6.


(And before you say It I know you meant any suggestions for new players...I just took the opportunity :P)

ESPN, every year. lol

We play Yahoo cause it keeps our stats.

I think it should be kept same as last year. QB TD's make it a more QB important league.
again awhile back....not sure if this is a vote for or against flex...same as last would lead one to believe no flex ;) Lol we aren't ever voting on yahoo/ESPN again lol. 75% sy yahoo every year. We are waiting on LT and Pats pats voted flex awhile back I bumped his postabove ....LT is the swing vote !!

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 10:35 AM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
.

Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 10:42 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>

byron
07-17-2012, 11:00 AM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
. Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR. And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


jesus christ you guys are over analyzing wtf in going to or what should happen in a ff draft...with 12 different players who all have their way of ranking, picking and playing....the ones who do the better job of it will of coasefair better in the long run.... what makes this leauge competive is the players not the ****ing rules.....aside from myself we have acollectively damb good bunch of players that keeps getting better year after year.....what should happen is not whats going to happen hardly ever......so lets set the ****ingrulesand get on with it !!!.....just saying..[;)]</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 11:05 AM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
. Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR. And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</p>


jesus christ you guys are over analyzing wtf in going to or what should happen in a ff draft...with 12 different players who all have their way of ranking, picking and playing....the ones who do the better job of it will of coasefair better in the long run.... what makes this leauge competive is the players not the ****ing rules.....aside from myself we have acollectively damb good bunch of players that keeps getting better year after year.....what should happen is not whats going to happen hardly ever......so lets set the ****ingrulesand get on with it !!!.....just saying..[;)]</p>

I agree with B-dog :)

byron
07-17-2012, 11:08 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<FONT color=#0000ff>I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</FONT></P> This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 11:12 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<FONT color=#0000ff>I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</FONT></P>


This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]</P>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 11:25 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</p>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]</p>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>

Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.

byron
07-17-2012, 11:29 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<FONT color=#0000ff>I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</FONT></P>


This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]</P>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</P> I'm with ya...rbs get hurt far to much for my taste then the two back systems all around the leauge goal line guys and such...some of the nfl coaches are ****ing crazy how they use their rbs... jmo....I think going into this year there are a lot/or will beof questions surrounding the big names of the past also ...I see a changing of the guard comingfor the top tier ffrbs....we will see how guys like AP and Fred Taylor come back from thier injurys ...

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 11:39 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</p>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]</p>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>

Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.

Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

byron
07-17-2012, 11:39 AM
I guess what I'm trying say is the players in this league will adjust to the rules and the rules will have little if any effect on their game play "again they will adjust"or the quality of the competition......if one finds himself at the bottom of the heap then their game needs some work..;)

byron
07-17-2012, 11:44 AM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<FONT color=#0000ff>I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</FONT></P>


This ! ffpoint getter's...of coarse this can be off set by changing the ffpoint system..[:|]</P>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</P>

Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.
not sure about that comparison ! I don't think anybody in this leauge makes that move flex or otherwise...again the leauge players are to smart to make stupid moves because of the flex rule or any other rule in my mind ...

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 11:48 AM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 11:50 AM
Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

I said I was using hyperbole to make a point lol.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 11:52 AM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.

this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 11:54 AM
Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt <font color="#0000FF" size="4">(and this is obviously hyperbole)</font> is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.



not sure about that comparison !

How is everyone missing the bold part above, do people here really not read anything I write...I guess I can't blame you lol.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 11:59 AM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.

this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)

Foster, McCoy, Ray Rice, MJD, Gore, Stephen Jackson, Helu, Greene, Forte, Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Turner, Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson and more....will all get 20 to 25 touches minimum in every game.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:01 PM
Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

I said I was using hyperbole to make a point lol.

The word "hyperbole" doesn't translate to "stupid comparison's that have no grasp of reality"

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:04 PM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
.

Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.


we will and when u take a Michael Turner Type over a Hakeem Nicks type because you'll know the next round you'll either have a Desean Jackson Type or Peyton Hillis type, i'll be proven right, again, and you'll some how try and say im not

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:05 PM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</P>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>

honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:09 PM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
</p>


There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


This ! ff*point getter's...*of coarse this can be off set by changing the ff*point system..[:|]</p>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>

Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.


thats not a realistic comment. Your talking more like SJax or Sproles or something like that there and i would def go wtih them over Jennings at that spot because I know if i absolutely had to I can take a shot at a WR2 in the 8th 9th round that I won't be able to do with RB.

Let alone if the league is flexed and somebody high gets lucky enough to grab 3 talented RBs (which u know is everybodys goal if possible) it will further effect the draft and it turns into a RB draft instead of a strategic draft

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:10 PM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
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There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>

honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2
Mathamatics suggest that you don't have much of a choice.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:10 PM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
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There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
<font color="#0000ff">I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</font></p>


This ! ff*point getter's...*of coarse this can be off set by changing the ff*point system..[:|]</p>


yea....i mean...look at the RBs from last year, and how many of the the impact guys specifically in the 2nd half of the season were just jobbers who got big roles later on. You can count on guys like Rice, and Foster......but....why waste high picks when you can get Calvin and Brees early on?!</p>

Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt (and this is obviously hyperbole) is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.

Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

thank you

byron
07-17-2012, 12:11 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:11 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.

this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)


its def the case. RBs are more consistant and WRs typically blow up and disappear

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:12 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.

this used to be the case, that's why RB's where always first picks, they were always going to get the 25ish touches every game and be somewhat consistent, but it's just not the case outside the top 6 or 7 RB's anymore (and you can say the same thing about the top 6-7 WR's now because of all the passing)

Foster, McCoy, Ray Rice, MJD, Gore, Stephen Jackson, Helu, Greene, Forte, Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Turner, Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson and more....will all get 20 to 25 touches minimum in every game.

i disagree with a couple of names on that list but i agree with ur point

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:13 PM
also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
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There's definitely not nearly as much value at RB as their used to be. Not as many sure things....aka studs...and there are like 5 breakthrough players every year that went undrafted in fantasy.
I'll take the elite QBs and WRs first ALL DAY!!</P>

honestly, go look at the top 24 RBs, how many of the second half of those guys would you like to have as your RB2
Mathamatics suggest that you don't have much of a choice.

exactly

now add in the fact of somebody grasping 3 of the top 18 backs, what does the draft then become?

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:15 PM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
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Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR.

And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.


we will and when u take a Michael Turner Type over a Hakeem Nicks type because you'll know the next round you'll either have a Desean Jackson Type or Peyton Hillis type, i'll be proven right, again, and you'll some how try and say im not
History has proven that it's irrelevant who Daven picks, he will trade away his whole team anyway. lol

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:16 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


*how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ff*players...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>

but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position

the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.

byron
07-17-2012, 12:17 PM
Exactly, I mean the vibe I get from Matt <FONT color=#0000ff size=4>(and this is obviously hyperbole)</FONT> is that if his 3rd pick a guy like Greg Jennings is left he's gonna pass on him for someone like Donald Brown because you know...Running back....so automatically better, but only if there is a flex.

it makes no sense.



not sure about that comparison !

How is everyone missing the bold part above, do people here really not read anything I write...I guess I can't blame you lol.
thats a nine letter word man ! give mea break...

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:17 PM
and one thing that daven has said is right - people have started a WR in the flex, but thats only cuz they don't have a RB to play there and they get what they get.

But that doesn't make things more strategic

most teams would pretty much know who their flex is, regardless of position

bigblue4417
07-17-2012, 12:18 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:19 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.


sorry but the two big stinks that came up last year is exactly why we don't vote on every trade

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:20 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.


and we cna't vote QB points til we know standard or flex

if we do a 2 WR flex then no way im voting for QB to go to 4 points

if it stays standard i may

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:21 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:22 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

yea but they are usually left pending for a couple of days if not announced in here.

Make sure u sign up for the email alerts to your regular email. They will send u and let u know when a trade inthe league is pending

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:22 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

yea but they are usually left pending for a couple of days if not announced in here.

Make sure u sign up for the email alerts to your regular email. They will send u and let u know when a trade inthe league is pending

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:23 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

yea but they are usually left pending for a couple of days if not announced in here.

Make sure u sign up for the email alerts to your regular email. They will send u and let u know when a trade inthe league is pending

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:25 PM
Andre Johnson & Matt Schaub 4 Tony Romo & Antonio Brown

the outrage from that was ridiculous at the time and it kept me out of the playoffs

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:26 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

yea but they are usually left pending for a couple of days if not announced in here.

Make sure u sign up for the email alerts to your regular email. They will send u and let u know when a trade inthe league is pending
You didn't need to say it three times but I'm fine with that.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:28 PM
Andre Johnson & Matt Schaub 4 Tony Romo & Antonio Brown

the outrage from that was ridiculous at the time and it kept me out of the playoffs
Yeah...you were actually stupid on that one and I believe it was Lando arguing that your were "Meyerbudding" the other guy.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:29 PM
Flex, QB points and anything else is really moot.

The MAIN thing that needs to be discussed and have rules in place is trading and the veto process or if there is no veto to any trade.

That is the one thing that lights this league up.

Only the Commish should veto trades. Maybe unless the Commish is involved in the trade. But I don't think trades should be voted on. I do think they should be announced ahead of time and someone should have the right to object and make their case to the commish. But to vote on trades invites to much conflict of interest.

yea but they are usually left pending for a couple of days if not announced in here.

Make sure u sign up for the email alerts to your regular email. They will send u and let u know when a trade inthe league is pending
You didn't need to say it three times but I'm fine with that.

on a side note

Dez Bryant smacks his momma

good times

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:29 PM
Of course you did a lot of stupid things last season. .....Can you say Peyton Manning and Randy Moss?

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:30 PM
Andre Johnson & Matt Schaub 4 Tony Romo & Antonio Brown

the outrage from that was ridiculous at the time and it kept me out of the playoffs
Yeah...you were actually stupid on that one and I believe it was Lando arguing that your were "Meyerbudding" the other guy.

just didn't think Brown would keep it up or that Romo would get healthy

so to me it was just rolling the dice that Andre would be back vs Brown keeping it up

And if it was anybody else Lando wouldn't of *****ed. Hence why we ain't goign through the drama and cries of trade votes, especially when he won his first title without them happening.

ahhh

i love fantasy

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Of course you did a lot of stupid things last season. .....Can you say Peyton Manning and Randy Moss?

lol i won't be drafting for two nor springing a quarter mile back and forth to my house in between picks

your in trouble, i almost want flex because I really want to do my idea lol

byron
07-17-2012, 12:31 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>


but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.you are trying to get people to draft a certain or think they should ?...so making the rules complicated makes it morecompetitive..I think this leauge is plenty competitive now if your trying to get us all to play like you Idk man..!?!</P>


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I'm ready!! </P>


beware of the lucky dog !</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:32 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


*how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ff*players...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>


but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.*you are trying to get people to draft a certain or think they should ?*...so making the rules complicated makes it more*competitive..I think this leauge is plenty competitive now if your trying to get us all to play like you Idk man..!?!</P>


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haha na, its just how flex drafts ALWAYS work out becuase your basically a ****ing urself if u don't get that talent at RB stacked if u can... it dictates the draft

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:35 PM
Of course you did a lot of stupid things last season. .....Can you say Peyton Manning and Randy Moss?

lol i won't be drafting for two nor springing a quarter mile back and forth to my house in between picks

your in trouble, i almost want flex because I really want to do my idea lol
I'll switch to flex if you do.......When you have an "idea" we all win (everyone except you of course)

byron
07-17-2012, 12:45 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>


but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.you are trying to get people to draft a certain or think they should ?...so making the rules complicated makes it morecompetitive..I think this leauge is plenty competitive now if your trying to get us all to play like you Idk man..!?!</P>


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beware of the lucky dog !</P> haha na, its just how flex drafts ALWAYS work out becuase your basically a ****ing urself if u don't get that talent at RB stacked if u can... it dictates the draftwell man I guess...the draft is fun I get my first couple moves figured out after that all bets are off I'm on the fly....love the pressure of it..

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 12:52 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>


but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.you are trying to get people to draft a certain or think they should ?...so making the rules complicated makes it morecompetitive..I think this leauge is plenty competitive now if your trying to get us all to play like you Idk man..!?!</P>


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I'm ready!! </P>


beware of the lucky dog !</P> haha na, its just how flex drafts ALWAYS work out becuase your basically a ****ing urself if u don't get that talent at RB stacked if u can... it dictates the draftwell man I guess...the draft is fun I get my first couple moves figured out after that all bets are off I'm on the fly....love the pressure of it..
Stay away from QB's in the first round.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 12:54 PM
Of course you did a lot of stupid things last season. .....Can you say Peyton Manning and Randy Moss?

lol i won't be drafting for two nor springing a quarter mile back and forth to my house in between picks

your in trouble, i almost want flex because I really want to do my idea lol it can only work if I get a certain pick
I'll switch to flex if you do.......When you have an "idea" we all win (everyone except you of course)

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 01:10 PM
and we got to find a 12th...

is Pizz hiking up his skirt and coming back?
What happened to bandy

bandy quit last year...

he doesn't like when Moorehead loses his cool lol
he must have been imagining things....

pappy is a lovable cuddle bear

I guess that translate over into canadian
them Canadians are justsensitive ! I miss Bandy!</p>


yea, those cananadadaians are suchsofties.
Where is that POS?! i will beat the piss out of him!! I love him, lol</p>Yea, where the hell is he??? I mean I know he would be a no show today cause the Yanks beat the Jays last night but he been MIA for a while.

patsrule666
07-17-2012, 01:15 PM
exactly daven - hence why it turns it into a running back league. What are u missing wtih this?


My point Matt.

is that if I get the wrap around pick 2nd and 3rd and my board looks like this.

#18 Still Available WR
#20 Still Available WR
#26 Still Available RB

I'm going to pick the 2 Receivers.

and everyone SHOULD be doing that....if they don't and everyone hoards RB's because of some supposed RB Flex advantage then I'll rock them, sure my #2 RB might be weak, but my #1 will be good and I'll have rock solid WR's and a rock solid flex in my #3 receiver.
. Well that's where you'll go wrong. Because the #20 WR is on par with the #33 WR. And if 25 rbs are drafted by your 3rd round pick, well then my point has been made hasn't it

ok, tell me I'm wrong when I'm picking players higher up on my draft board, that's fine, we'll make our wagers again and see who wins this year.

also just like I said before just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's right, if 25RB's are picked before my 3rd round pick then that just means to me that people are over valuing the RB position and I'm gonna get a steal at WR or QB.
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*jesus christ you guys are over analyzing wtf* in going to or what should happen in a ff draft...with 12 different players who all have their way of ranking, picking and playing....the ones who do the better job of it will of coase*fair better in the long run.... what makes this leauge competive is the players not the ****ing rules.....aside from myself we have a*collectively* damb good bunch of players that keeps getting better year after year.....what should happen is not whats going to happen hardly ever......so lets set the ****ing*rules*and get on with it !!!.....just saying..[;)]</P>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

byron
07-17-2012, 01:21 PM
I guess i think the reason RB's are more valuable is that they are more consistent game in and game out. (all things being the same of course). When you plug in a guy like Ray Rice or MJD, you pretty much know they are getting you a decent amount of points. Any WR, even great ones can have 2 catches for 23 yards on occasion. Obviously with a guy like Megatron that may not be true, but is is for most anyone else.</P>


how about when Ray was splitting time with Willis McGahee and MJD ad a terrable year last year as I remember it....Idk man you have to Rbs but I don't think it makes or breaks a draft...end of the day you have to have a team that gets ff points and it don't matter where they come from.... a lot of stuff factors in as to how any decision draft wise or trade wise<FONT color=#000000> works out for you....make got choices and hope for the best is about all we can do as ffplayers...with some luck thrown in ,one can look brilliant or lucky depending on where your standing...[:D]</FONT></P>


but how it ends up is moot in this subject, it takes the stratagy out of the draft. Becuase everybody should and would go for the RBs. The woulda coulda shouldas can happen anywhere at any position the point is to keep the competitive and not a luck of the draw.you are trying to get people to draft a certain or think they should ?...so making the rules complicated makes it morecompetitive..I think this leauge is plenty competitive now if your trying to get us all to play like you Idk man..!?!</P>


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I'm ready!! </P>


beware of the lucky dog !</P>


haha na, its just how flex drafts ALWAYS work out becuase your basically a ****ing urself if u don't get that talent at RB stacked if u can... it dictates the draftwell man I guess...the draft is fun I get my first couple moves figured out after that all bets are off I'm on the fly....love the pressure of it.. Stay away from QB's in the first round.</P>


"When you draft like Jerry Reese you don't need to make trades"</P>

byron
07-17-2012, 01:29 PM
so we are waiting on LT's vote ?</P>


is JP # 12 ?</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 01:32 PM
Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

I said I was using hyperbole to make a point lol.

The word "hyperbole" doesn't translate to "stupid comparison's that have no grasp of reality"

no but it does translate into making an unrealistic analogy in order to make a point, which is exactly what I did.

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 01:41 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 01:54 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.


that's probably taken out of context, he probably said (or meant to say) you didn't build that by yourself.

as in you used/use roads/postal services and your business is protected by polic and the fire department etc etc.

I still disagree with the sentiment he's trying to push there....but your quote is misleading.

byron
07-17-2012, 02:06 PM
Greg Jennings or Donald Brown? C'mon Scrappy. Keep it real.

I said I was using hyperbole to make a point lol.
The word "hyperbole" doesn't translate to "stupid comparison's that have no grasp of reality"

no but it does translate into making an unrealistic analogy in order to make a point, which is exactly what I did.
</P>


Hyperboles are common in everyday language and in poetry..lol</P>


yeah man I did kind of miss that part of your comment it didn't sink in...sorry man</P>


<FONT size=4></FONT></P>

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 02:12 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 02:15 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</p>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </p>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</p>

no I don't think that's what he meant either....

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 02:15 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.


that's probably taken out of context, he probably said (or meant to say) you didn't build that by yourself.

as in you used/use roads/postal services and your business is protected by polic and the fire department etc etc.

I still disagree with the sentiment he's trying to push there....but your quote is misleading.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that/

After reading everything that he said, it was certainly not taken out of context, in my opinion anyway.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 02:16 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>
Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything.
Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 02:28 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 02:32 PM
It's the same thing he's been saying all along, he's pretty much saying without "him" otherwise known as the government, no business could ever succeed....because of that he thinks everyone who owns a business and the business's themselves owe "him" (The Government)

the problem is while he's right, they already ARE paying him, they pay more taxes because they own business's, through taxes they already pay what they owe....he wants to double dip on business's (and wealthy people) because...well...I guess he hates them? I mean there is no logical reason for him to do so, all punishing business's does is punish the middle class and the poor, the increased taxes and penalties on the wealthy and business is immediately transferred to the consumer...unless he makes that impossible through legislation, in which case they find loop holes or the leave the country....

there is nothing positive that can come from penalizing people/business for success.

byron
07-17-2012, 02:39 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>


Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything. Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things. </P>


you knowsome people build a business from scrach maybe out off need maybe cause they like it probably both....some do things out of need are they allrisk takers ? I look at risk takers as people that have something to risk rather than builders they invest into builders not always tho...a builder builds a house to sell he don't do that he goes broke fast alone with everyone around him...jesus mh money is made from selling things which draws in the investers....I'm not sure where your coming from man its all about consumerism....a good product sells itself and makes money money that we all need for healthcare,retirement on and on and on man!</P>


</P>

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 02:41 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....<u>MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything</u>, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...You mean like your facebook. bahahahahahaa!!!!! jk. Anything goes in thee thread pizz you know this

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 02:43 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</p>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </p>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</p>


Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything. Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things. </p>


you knowsome people build a business from scrach maybe out off need maybe cause they like it probably both....some do things out of need are they allrisk takers ? I look at risk takers as people that have something to risk rather than builders they invest into builders not always tho...a builder builds a house to sell he don't do that he goes broke fast alone with everyone around him...jesus mh money is made from selling things which draws in the investers....I'm not sure where your coming from man its all about consumerism....a good product sells itself and makes money money that we all need for healthcare,retirement on and on and on man!</p>


</p>

That's what MH's saying Byron :)

the problem is our current administration doesn't agree with you on that (or me or MH) ...and at this point they've become bold enough to actively tell you they don't....

byron
07-17-2012, 03:00 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...</P>


well I'm kind of with you on this JP I hate politics and talking about them tends to upset me....I come here for fun.. The last thing I would ever want todo thois ruin others fun here...so I try to stay quite.....but Ifail sometimes but here is the truth as I see it...buying into politicians rhetoric is a total waist of time I don't believe for one minute theywill fix one ****ing thing till they have to...and we all know how they do that ...."bailout" plug the ****ing holes and immediately start making new ones that will need to be plugged down the road....and of coarse they know exactly how to do it and what is best for us all.....its not going to change man ...I will do my best to make this ismy last political post....</P>


sorry everyone for my rudeopinion</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:03 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:05 PM
I'll be back on around 4 til 8. Pizz u in for the 12th spot?

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:06 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...</p>


well I'm kind of with you on this JP I hate politics and talking about them tends to upset me....I come here for fun.. The last thing I would ever want todo thois ruin others fun here...so I try to stay quite.....but Ifail sometimes but here is the truth as I see it...buying into politicians rhetoric is a total waist of time I don't believe for one minute theywill fix one ****ing thing till they have to...and we all know how they do that ...."bailout" plug the ****ing holes and immediately start making new ones that will need to be plugged down the road....and of coarse they know exactly how to do it and what is best for us all.....its not going to change man ...I will do my best to make this ismy last political post....</p>


sorry everyone for my rudeopinion</p>

nope, you are completely right Byron, the problem is the politicians are so good at getting their supporters to hate everyone that disagrees with them that their supporters don't even check to see what the people they support are doing anymore.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:06 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....<U>MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything</U>, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...You mean like your facebook. bahahahahahaa!!!!! jk. Anything goes in thee thread pizz you know this
</P>


ok, Morehead Jr.....</P>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:08 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)

byron
07-17-2012, 03:10 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>


Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything. Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things. </P>


you knowsome people build a business from scrach maybe out off need maybe cause they like it probably both....some do things out of need are they allrisk takers ? I look at risk takers as people that have something to risk rather than builders they invest into builders not always tho...a builder builds a house to sell he don't do that he goes broke fast alone with everyone around him...jesus mh money is made from selling things which draws in the investers....I'm not sure where your coming from man its all about consumerism....a good product sells itself and makes money money that we all need for healthcare,retirement on and on and on man!</P>


</P>

That's what MH's saying Byron :)

the problem is our current administration doesn't agree with you on that (or me or MH) ...and at this point they've become bold enough to actively tell you they don't....
well then I miss read what he said...sorry...when people stop spending money the whole thing is going titsup....I love this country and the freedom have but I have zero use for the well to dopeople that run it...they are wrecking it man and have been sinceNAFTA....I'm sorry daven I got to stop

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:11 PM
.what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time

Responsible citizens, it's an American Citizens job to be informed on what his representatives are doing and vote based upon that.

I don't care how someone votes (I really don't) as long as they have their reasons for it and they can back them up, what I can't stand Pizz (no offense) is someone who votes based on nothing, they refuse to try to learn anything about what their representatives are doing but then go on to complain about how ****ty everything is.

well it's ****ty because you aren't paying attention to what the people YOU are putting in charge stand for and are doing.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:13 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

byron
07-17-2012, 03:13 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
Lts vote means its no flex ?

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:15 PM
well then I miss read what he said...sorry...when people stop spending money the whole thing is going titsup....I love this country and the freedom have but I have zero use for the well to dopeople that run it...they are wrecking it man and have been sinceNAFTA....I'm sorry daven I got to stop

I agree with you, the issue right now is that big business and wealthy people are literally scared, they don't know what's going to get passed next, there is all this "hate" speak coming directly from the government and even the president himself....they are afraid, when you are afraid about the future what do you do? you prepare, how do they prepare? they stock pile money to pay for whatever's coming, which wrecks the economy because the poor and middle class need them to spend that money....but the government is prohibiting that, they are blatatly telling everyone who has money that they better ****ing not spend a dime of it because they are coming for it...and coming for it soon...that's what their "policies" say even if that's not the words coming out of their mouths.

but they aren't going to be able to take it, these guys are going to take their money and leave...they don't need to stand for being bullied by the government....they'll just leave...and it's you and me who will be left holding the bag of ****.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:16 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>


Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything. Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things. </P>


you knowsome people build a business from scrach maybe out off need maybe cause they like it probably both....some do things out of need are they allrisk takers ? I look at risk takers as people that have something to risk rather than builders they invest into builders not always tho...a builder builds a house to sell he don't do that he goes broke fast alone with everyone around him...jesus mh money is made from selling things which draws in the investers....I'm not sure where your coming from man its all about consumerism....a good product sells itself and makes money money that we all need for healthcare,retirement on and on and on man!</P>


</P>
Economies are built when you take something of little or no value and turn it into something of value. Something people want. You take wood and other raw materials and turn it into a home. Thats how the economy works. Consumerism creates nothing. Builds nothing and enhances nothing. Without real income (that which comes from building or providing something of value) no one can buy anything. We have a world market. Build things and we can sell it to the world. Buy something and you've given money to the Chinese.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:16 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
Lts vote means its no flex ?

makes it even 6 to 6 I believe.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:17 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:18 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....<U>MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything</U>, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...You mean like your facebook. bahahahahahaa!!!!! jk. Anything goes in thee thread pizz you know this
</P>


ok, Morehead Jr.....</P>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</P>
I can only speak for myself when I say that I believe in something. I participate. Its the only way this country moves forward. Be informed, advocate what you believe and move the country in the right direction. I refuse to sit on the sidelines.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:19 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.

I'm changing my vote to flex.

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 03:20 PM
I dont care either way. I cant put into words how absolutely tired I am about hearing about everything Obama nonstop....<u>MOSTLY I'm tired of people who complain about everything</u>, because general rule of thumb is; when everything is fine, quiet as all can be......but if something's wrong....open up the goddamn flood gates! Everyone wants a piece of the action!!!

There's a time and place for political discussion......and it's not on an NFL forum. Argue with each other in person if youre so inclined. But honestly....it doesnt belong here...You mean like your facebook. bahahahahahaa!!!!! jk. Anything goes in thee thread pizz you know this
</p>


<u>ok, Morehead Jr.....</u></p>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
</p>

people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</p>HEY, thats a low blow man. Im sorry, I dont understand the first patagraph. I never told anyone to shut their mouths....

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:22 PM
.what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time

Responsible citizens, it's an American Citizens job to be informed on what his representatives are doing and vote based upon that.

I don't care how someone votes (I really don't) as long as they have their reasons for it and they can back them up, what I can't stand Pizz (no offense) is someone who votes based on nothing, they refuse to try to learn anything about what their representatives are doing but then go on to complain about how ****ty everything is.

well it's ****ty because you aren't paying attention to what the people YOU are putting in charge stand for and are doing.
</P>


Don't worry, I'm not offended by your statements, because I dont complain about the things you guys discuss like this. lol
So it makes me irresponsible that I'm not as obsessive and outspoken as the next person?</P>

byron
07-17-2012, 03:24 PM
"If you have a business, you didnt build that." Barrack Obama

God help us.
</P>


holy **** you sound like my father.....EVERYTHING out of context. it's so completely obvious that he meant consumers make abusiness thrive. </P>


i hate everyone's political agenda.</P>


Actually, I just read the entire statement and its pretty bad. he suggested that risk takers deserve little credit for their success. That the government is their senior partner. What he fails to mention is that if they fail, they lose their shirts. And the "senior partner" doesn't lose anything. Its actually a rediculous statemnt that is completely out of touch. It actually insults risk takers which are the backbone of this economy.....And Pizz...consumerism is exactly what got us into this mess. great economies build things, not buy things. </P>


you knowsome people build a business from scrach maybe out off need maybe cause they like it probably both....some do things out of need are they allrisk takers ? I look at risk takers as people that have something to risk rather than builders they invest into builders not always tho...a builder builds a house to sell he don't do that he goes broke fast alone with everyone around him...jesus mh money is made from selling things which draws in the investers....I'm not sure where your coming from man its all about consumerism....a good product sells itself and makes money money that we all need for healthcare,retirement on and on and on man!</P>


</P>


Economies are built when you take something of little or no value and turn it into something of value. Something people want. You take wood and other raw materials and turn it into a home. Thats how the economy works. Consumerism creates nothing. Builds nothing and enhances nothing. Without real income (that which comes from building or providing something of value) no one can buy anything. We have a world market. Build things and we can sell it to the world. Buy something and you've given money to the Chinese.</P>


I misunderstood your consumerism comment to me a consumer is some one who buys one my houses I'm not so bright should have looked it up ....who's fault is it we are giving it to the chinese...never mind I know the answer.......</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:25 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


In honor of bipartisanship I vote 3 WR flex over standard.

Just so everybody can get what they want

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:27 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
Lts vote means its no flex ?

makes it even 6 to 6 I believe.


How would it be 6-6. Shocknawe is out of league so there's only 11 returning players. Vote is 6-5

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 03:28 PM
.what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time

Responsible citizens, it's an American Citizens job to be informed on what his representatives are doing and vote based upon that.

I don't care how someone votes (I really don't) as long as they have their reasons for it and they can back them up, what I can't stand Pizz (no offense) is someone who votes based on nothing, they refuse to try to learn anything about what their representatives are doing but then go on to complain about how ****ty everything is.

well it's ****ty because you aren't paying attention to what the people YOU are putting in charge stand for and are doing.
</p>


Don't worry, I'm not offended by your statements, because I dont complain about the things you guys discuss like this. lol
<u>So it makes me irresponsible that I'm not as obsessive and outspoken as the next person?</u></p>He never said that. He simply said to try and be informed. You dont have to be obsessive or outspoken. Just dont have you head up you ***. (not implying you do)

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:28 PM
.what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time

Responsible citizens, it's an American Citizens job to be informed on what his representatives are doing and vote based upon that.

I don't care how someone votes (I really don't) as long as they have their reasons for it and they can back them up, what I can't stand Pizz (no offense) is someone who votes based on nothing, they refuse to try to learn anything about what their representatives are doing but then go on to complain about how ****ty everything is.

well it's ****ty because you aren't paying attention to what the people YOU are putting in charge stand for and are doing.
</p>


Don't worry, I'm not offended by your statements, because I dont complain about the things you guys discuss like this. lol
So it makes me irresponsible that I'm not as obsessive and outspoken as the next person?</p>

you don't have to be obsessive and/or outspoken, but I would say it's irresponsible to not be informed yes, if you are informed and just don't want to talk about it that's perfectly acceptable, but there is nothing wrong with talking about it either....that's one of the wonderful things about America right? Free speech?

I just hate it when people say something like "man I'm paying so much in taxes...the rich need to pay more" just because....they are angry about paying taxes and heard something on TV for a second....it's irresponsible...know what you are complaining about if you are going to complain and don't offer solutions if you didn't even bother to research the topic.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:29 PM
<U>ok, Morehead Jr.....</U></P>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
</P>


people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</P>


HEY, thats a low blow man. Im sorry, I dont understand the first patagraph. I never told anyone to shut their mouths....
</P>


nah it's not aimed at you or anything....its just that ....ther are people who constantly are involved in talks of politics....and someone like me who doesnt want to hear it, and if you say it, they call you uneducated, uninformed, and whatever else they want to throw in there....
When the truth is, people like me are still the majority....dont piss them off if youre trying to change something, kthx.</P>


Listen, i dont hold ANYONE's opinion here against them, cuz i like you all.....i just dont like seeing it here, that's all. I find it completely obnoxious and out of place for a Giants forum.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 03:30 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.

I'm changing my vote to flex.

Lol ate u serious?

Well either way there's going to be a vote on 3 WRS and flex. I was going to run it when I thought my side of the vote won so I'm def going to throw it when I lost

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:31 PM
When the truth is, people like me are still the majority....dont piss them off if youre trying to change something, kthx.

and again no offense, but that's why the country is going down hill, because you are right, the majority is uninformed (politically)

that didn't used to be the case Pizz...it's only been the last 40-50ish years.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year.

What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)


The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.

I'm changing my vote to flex.

Lol ate u serious?

Well either way there's going to be a vote on 3 WRS and flex. I was going to run it when I thought my side of the vote won so I'm def going to throw it when I lost
Dead serious. I've decided that the performance of a 3rd WR is more a matter of chance than knowledge of the team manager. I'm more in control when I can have more options. In other words, I'm agreeing with Scrappy!

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:37 PM
<U>ok, Morehead Jr.....</U></P>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
</P>


people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</P>


HEY, thats a low blow man. Im sorry, I dont understand the first patagraph. I never told anyone to shut their mouths....
</P>


nah it's not aimed at you or anything....its just that ....ther are people who constantly are involved in talks of politics....and someone like me who doesnt want to hear it, and if you say it, they call you uneducated, uninformed, and whatever else they want to throw in there....
When the truth is, people like me are still the majority....dont piss them off if youre trying to change something, kthx.</P>


Listen, i dont hold ANYONE's opinion here against them, cuz i like you all.....i just dont like seeing it here, that's all. I find it completely obnoxious and out of place for a Giants forum.</P>
Come on Pizz. The list of topics discussed on this thread is limitless. You guys have talked about TV shows, movies, drugs, chicks, and racing car beds. I would suggest politics is just as appropriate. If some want to talk about it I don't see why it should be off limits. especially with an election coming up.

dezzzR
07-17-2012, 03:41 PM
<u>ok, Morehead Jr.....</u></p>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
</p>


people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</p>


HEY, thats a low blow man. Im sorry, I dont understand the first patagraph. I never told anyone to shut their mouths....
</p>


nah it's not aimed at you or anything....its just that ....ther are people who constantly are involved in talks of politics....and someone like me who doesnt want to hear it, and if you say it, they call you uneducated, uninformed, and whatever else they want to throw in there....
When the truth is, people like me are still the majority....dont piss them off if youre trying to change something, kthx.</p>


Listen, i dont hold ANYONE's opinion here against them, cuz i like you all.....i just dont like seeing it here, that's all. I find it completely obnoxious and out of place for a Giants forum.</p>
Come on Pizz. The list of topics discussed on this thread is limitless. You guys have talked about TV shows, movies, drugs, chicks, and racing car beds. I would suggest politics is just as appropriate. If some want to talk about it I don't see why it should be off limits. especially with an election coming up.and dildo keychains.....

byron
07-17-2012, 03:43 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.
I'm changing my vote to flex. Lol ate u serious? Well either way there's going to be a vote on 3 WRS and flex. I was going to run it when I thought my side of the vote won so I'm def going to throw it when I lost Dead serious. I've decided that the performance of a 3rd WR is more a matter of chance than knowledge of the team manager. I'm more in control when I can have more options. In other words, I'm agreeing with Scrappy! that makes it a tie vote....should be interesting how this gets settled...coin toss sounds good

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:46 PM
<u>ok, Morehead Jr.....</u></p>


complain about policy, youre "educated".....
Tell those people to shut their ****ing mouth because they are tired of listening to them? youre unamerican at that point apparently.....
</p>


people call me angry or whatever, and that they complain.....what does that make all of you guys who discuss this all the time? Let me guess....youre all so ****ing smart because youre trying to make a difference. lol ok, peons. good luck fighting the good fight</p>


HEY, thats a low blow man. Im sorry, I dont understand the first patagraph. I never told anyone to shut their mouths....
</p>


nah it's not aimed at you or anything....its just that ....ther are people who constantly are involved in talks of politics....and someone like me who doesnt want to hear it, and if you say it, they call you uneducated, uninformed, and whatever else they want to throw in there....
When the truth is, people like me are still the majority....dont piss them off if youre trying to change something, kthx.</p>


Listen, i dont hold ANYONE's opinion here against them, cuz i like you all.....i just dont like seeing it here, that's all. I find it completely obnoxious and out of place for a Giants forum.</p>
Come on Pizz. The list of topics discussed on this thread is limitless. You guys have talked about TV shows, movies, drugs, chicks, and racing car beds. I would suggest politics is just as appropriate. If some want to talk about it I don't see why it should be off limits. especially with an election coming up.and dildo keychains.....

And dead hookers.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:47 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.
I'm changing my vote to flex. Lol ate u serious? Well either way there's going to be a vote on 3 WRS and flex. I was going to run it when I thought my side of the vote won so I'm def going to throw it when I lost Dead serious. I've decided that the performance of a 3rd WR is more a matter of chance than knowledge of the team manager. I'm more in control when I can have more options. In other words, I'm agreeing with Scrappy! that makes it a tie vote....should be interesting how this gets settled...coin toss sounds good
The flex side should have 7 votes now. Right?

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:49 PM
And dead hookers.</P>


We've discussed this! come on MH! You know that theyre all called hookers when they are dead! </P>


=P</P>

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:51 PM
And dead hookers.</P>


We've discussed this! come on MH! You know that theyre all called hookers when they are dead! </P>


=P</P>
So I got it right.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:51 PM
Got a text bak from LT. He votes standard. I say we vote on the compromise of flex and 3 wrs. Only reason he voted standard is because he's new and that's what it was last year. What do u think of voting on the compromise?

we can do it, but it's gonna get voted down and then will still be where we are now, Standard or Flex.

do the vote for the 3Wr + Flex I Vote yes for that, but after it fails then flip a coin for flex vs standard (when I'm there to witness it! I'll come up)
The vote is in, it's standard. I say we just try to vote it out to attempt peace

I thought it was 6-6 with Lt's vote.
I'm changing my vote to flex. Lol ate u serious? Well either way there's going to be a vote on 3 WRS and flex. I was going to run it when I thought my side of the vote won so I'm def going to throw it when I lost Dead serious. I've decided that the performance of a 3rd WR is more a matter of chance than knowledge of the team manager. I'm more in control when I can have more options. In other words, I'm agreeing with Scrappy! that makes it a tie vote....should be interesting how this gets settled...coin toss sounds good
The flex side should have 7 votes now. Right?

I think it should I thought it was 6-6 before you switched ... but matt said it was 7-5 standard with you...I'd like a recount please Matt.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:51 PM
Matt, do you guys want me as a 12th? Whats the cost again? I forget.
And I need to know what im voting on if you decide on me as 12th, lol

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 03:54 PM
Matt, do you guys want me as a 12th? Whats the cost again? I forget.
And I need to know what im voting on if you decide on me as 12th, lol
I think we definately need you. And we are voting on flex or 3 WR.

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 03:57 PM
Matt, do you guys want me as a 12th? Whats the cost again? I forget.
And I need to know what im voting on if you decide on me as 12th, lol I think we definately need you. And we are voting on flex or 3 WR.</P>


I prefer 2 RB 3 WR setup</P>

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 03:58 PM
I know Matt was doing recaps on who voted for what earlier I looked quick couldn't find any...anyone know what the last one was?

JPizzack
07-17-2012, 04:00 PM
I gotta go. someone can text me if they need anything, forfantasy related questions.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 04:01 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 04:02 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?

I believe its 6-5 flex, waiting for LT.

lawl
07-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?

Kase and I were flex

lawl
07-17-2012, 04:06 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?

I believe its 6-5 flex, waiting for LT.
There wasn't 12 people in the league until pizz just jumped in. (I'm assuming he's in.)

Of course if Matt applies his rule of if you didn't play last year then you don't get to vote then I don't think pizz will be playing lol

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 04:06 PM
Flex: Kase, Lawl, Pats, Morehead, Scrappy, Sharick..................
No flex: MMB. Blondie, Byron, Pizzey, Lando.................
Waiting for LT. ................6-5 Flex right now.

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats/Lawl/Kase
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz/ LT &lt;----Matt said he got a text saying LT was No-Flex

I forget what Bandy and Byron.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:07 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Flex: Kase, Lawl, Pats, Morehead, Scrappy, Sharick..................
No flex: MMB. Blondie, Byron, Pizzey, Lando.................
Waiting for LT. ................6-5 Flex right now.

then it's 6/6 because I remember matt saying he got a text from LT saying no flex.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:09 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?

I believe its 6-5 flex, waiting for LT.
There wasn't 12 people in the league until pizz just jumped in. (I'm assuming he's in.)

Of course if Matt applies his rule of if you didn't play last year then you don't get to vote then I don't think pizz will be playing lol

well that wasn't my rule, its just the rule we stuck to when we had alot of change over from year 1 to 2

DavenIII
07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


Ahh yes you are correct I forgot about that, ok, well my vote for 2RB's 3WR's 1TE and 1 Flex is YES.

more players on rosters more competitive deeper league.

byron
07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
Flex - Daven/Morehead/Pats
No Flex - MMB/Blondie/Pizz

who else?
I believe its 6-5 flex, waiting for LT. it was 5- 5 waiting on Lt</P>


mh-byron--matt-amanda-landon-LT no flex</P>


lawl-Daven-Pats-Kase-Mr Green- flex... I believe that is how it went</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
Flex: Kase, Lawl, Pats, Morehead, Scrappy, Sharick..................
No flex: MMB. Blondie, Byron, Pizzey, Lando.................
Waiting for LT. ................6-5 Flex right now.

then it's 6/6 because I remember matt saying he got a text from LT saying no flex.


and mind u if that was the case we give Commish the 1.5 votes for even tiebreakers.

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


Ahh yes you are correct I forgot about that, ok, well my vote for 2RB's 3WR's 1TE and 1 Flex is YES.

more players on rosters more competitive deeper league.

I vote 2 WR's plus flex. Same reason I switched to flex. 3rd WR is a lot of luck.

lawl
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
2 WRs is my vote

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


Ahh yes you are correct I forgot about that, ok, well my vote for 2RB's 3WR's 1TE and 1 Flex is YES.

more players on rosters more competitive deeper league.


I agree.. I thjink its a perfect compromise to be honest.

byron
07-17-2012, 04:14 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


with mh changing his vote that would make ittied..

Morehead State
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


with mh changing his vote that would make ittied..
No Byron. Its 6-5. Matt said Pizzey has no vote.

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


Ahh yes you are correct I forgot about that, ok, well my vote for 2RB's 3WR's 1TE and 1 Flex is YES.

more players on rosters more competitive deeper league.

I vote 2 WR's plus flex. Same reason I switched to flex. 3rd WR is a lot of luck.

I highly disagree on that, I think WRs are too stacked to only have a mandatory two receivers.

So that means u just go RB heavy and then u can still get a WR like Reggie Wayne or STevie Johnson as your WR2...

no stratagy, no skill, it kills the game. FORCE people to have to account for 3 WRs and the RB power won't exist

byron
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
Flex: Kase, Lawl, Pats, Morehead, Scrappy, Sharick.................. No flex: MMB. Blondie, Byron, Pizzey, Lando................. Waiting for LT. ................6-5 Flex right now.

then it's 6/6 because I remember matt saying he got a text from LT saying no flex.


and mind u if that was the case we give Commish the 1.5 votes for even tiebreakers.
so its not flex

MattMeyerBud
07-17-2012, 04:17 PM
okay PIzz, if u want the 12 spot your in...

BUT, when we league vote, the rule we stuck to was whoever played in the league last year gets to vote. So even though Pizz was in two years ago, he doesn't get voting priviledges. Pats was in the first league, then he even played in the B LEAGUE the next year, and we still didn't let him vote last year. Just remaining consistant.

The vote was YES to standard with votes from ME, Amanda, Pappy, Lando, Byron and LT vs Lawl, Kase, Daven, Pats, sharick...

then i decided that since it was so close to vote the compromise of 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, and 1 Flex vs Standard

Pappy then flipped to Flex making the initial vote Flex.

Now we are voting on 2 WR flex or 3 WR flex.

Pizz does not have a vote this time around, staying consistent


with mh changing his vote that would make ittied..
No Byron. Its 6-5. Matt said Pizzey has no vote.

lol why are u guys making it my rule. Its what we all decided and lived by for the past two seasons