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dezzzR
09-12-2012, 12:57 PM
We won last year DESPITE having the worst ground game in the NFL. If you want to compare our 1st stringer to our 3rd stringer the year we had the worst running game, go ahead. I'm not the one whos going to look dumb in that argumentLike I said he makes plays when it counts more often than not. Exactly why he was number 1, and dj was 3

MattMeyerBud
09-12-2012, 12:57 PM
This stat is stupid Dezz....most teams have ridiculously high winning % when their "team" rushes for more then 100 yards, plus Bradshaw has usually split time with another back...so if he has 100+ yards that means the team is almost certainly upwards of 150 closing in on 200 yards rushing...

the only thing marginally surprising about that stat is that Bradshaw "only" has 8 100 yard games.

Why is that surprising when you just said he's split time his whole career and has had injury problems?

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 12:58 PM
I really think thats a matter of the poor O line performance. Like Dezz says, Bradshaw does make plays. He's a good football player.

it doesnt matter which way you want to spin it really, the reality is bradshaw is a good football player. but he isn't a great football player. there's a rather big difference in my eyes.

MattMeyerBud
09-12-2012, 12:58 PM
We won last year DESPITE having the worst ground game in the NFL. If you want to compare our 1st stringer to our 3rd stringer the year we had the worst running game, go ahead. I'm not the one whos going to look dumb in that argument

The issues with run game were to due to Injury with the backs and a putrid oline

MattMeyerBud
09-12-2012, 01:00 PM
it doesnt matter which way you want to spin it really, the reality is bradshaw is a good football player. but he isn't a great football player. there's a rather big difference in my eyes.

He's far better than what you and even give him credit for but nobody is saying he's a HOFer

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 01:01 PM
Like I said he makes plays when it counts more often than not. Exactly why he was number 1, and dj was 3

So let me get this straight. When AB sucks, it's because we have a bad o-line, when Ware sucked, it was just because he sucked.

Just making sure I'm clear on this.

I don't know what you expect out of a 3rd string RB exactly. a guy who gets 2 carries a game isn't going to WOW you.
You give AB 20 carries a game, chances are he's going to have some big plays. the same can be said for about 20+ running backs in the NFL, if not more.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 01:03 PM
He's far better than what you and even give him credit for but nobody is saying he's a HOFer

I said he's a good RB....it's hard for me to say more than that. Always has been. I know I've always been in the minority in that regard, but considering we don't have many elite RBs in the NFL these days....I'm comfortable with my claims.

MattMeyerBud
09-12-2012, 01:04 PM
So let me get this straight. When AB sucks, it's because we have a bad o-line, when Ware sucked, it was just because he sucked.

Just making sure I'm clear on this.

I don't know what you expect out of a 3rd string RB exactly. a guy who gets 2 carries a game isn't going to WOW you.
You give AB 20 carries a game, chances are he's going to have some big plays. the same can be said for about 20+ running backs in the NFL, if not more.
I'm guessing the reason that dez is making this argument is because you swore Ware was better than Bradshaw last year. Or something alon those lines.

The difference is that if something is there Bradshaw takes it, f nothin is there sometimes he makes it. Ware couldnt do anything on his own in terms of running the ball

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 01:08 PM
Why is that surprising when you just said he's split time his whole career and has had injury problems?No, I was surprised that hes only had 8 games over 100 yards. Its not bad.....but its not good.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 01:09 PM
Why is that surprising when you just said he's split time his whole career and has had injury problems?

because of the way he's lauded as a "great" RB around here, honestly.

I'm surprised because I thought he'd at least put up some impressive numbers or something and that's why you all love him, I hope he does well since he's a giants player obviously....but looking at him, watching the way he plays....To me he seems pretty low down there in terms of talent compared to the RB's I see playing for other teams.

since he hasn't put up good numbers and looks untalented when he's running I really don't see why everyone around here loves him so much...that's kind of what's surprising to me.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 01:11 PM
I'm guessing the reason that dez is making this argument is because you swore Ware was better than Bradshaw last year. Or something alon those lines.

The difference is that if something is there Bradshaw takes it, f nothin is there sometimes he makes it. Ware couldnt do anything on his own in terms of running the ball

I dont think I'd ever make that bold of a claim. If anything I know that I always said I wish Ware got a shot. even in tampa last week he got 2 carries for 15 yards lol. But same scenario in that backfield. 3rd or 4th RB, so it all becomes irellevant.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 01:15 PM
So let me get this straight. When AB sucks, it's because we have a bad o-line, when Ware sucked, it was just because he sucked.

Just making sure I'm clear on this.

I don't know what you expect out of a 3rd string RB exactly. a guy who gets 2 carries a game isn't going to WOW you.
You give AB 20 carries a game, chances are he's going to have some big plays. the same can be said for about 20+ running backs in the NFL, if not more.absolutely. ;)
No, He was slow. Id of like to see a foot race between Chase and DJ last year, Whos the slowest Giant? lol

Didnt hit holes(when they were there), didnt break tackles and to over simplify it, He WAS the 3rd best rb on the team.

You do bring up a valid point, What do you expect from your 3rd string back?

I expected him to step up when AB or Jacobs went down. He failed.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 01:36 PM
I expected him to step up when AB or Jacobs went down. He failed.

what you really mean by that is you expected him to do BETTER then AB and Jacobs did with the same line they had.....why would you expect that?

We haven't had a "good" RB on our team since Tiki left honestly....Jacobs was good for a year or two until he started running in such a way to avoid injury.

Bradshaw has never been good...he's at best a "adequate" RB.

good thing this league is a Passing league nowadays so it doesn't matter too much.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 01:38 PM
what you really mean by that is you expected him to do BETTER then AB and Jacobs did with the same line they had.....why would you expect that?

We haven't had a "good" RB on our team since Tiki left honestly....Jacobs was good for a year or two until he started running in such a way to avoid injury.

Bradshaw has never been good...he's at best a "adequate" RB.

good thing this league is a Passing league nowadays so it doesn't matter too much.Not at all. I expected him to do his job, to be fair he did his job blocking, buts thats it.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 01:42 PM
You do bring up a valid point, What do you expect from your 3rd string back?

I expected him to step up when AB or Jacobs went down. He failed.

lmao....it just makes no sense to me how you could consider someone a complete failure on 46 carries.

If AB had 2 games(46 carries) and had 163 yards (which ware did), I dont' think you'd be nearly as hard on HIM as you are on Ware. That's my point in this particularly meaningless argument. lol

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 01:44 PM
So let me get this straight. When AB sucks, it's because we have a bad o-line, when Ware sucked, it was just because he sucked.

Just making sure I'm clear on this.

I don't know what you expect out of a 3rd string RB exactly. a guy who gets 2 carries a game isn't going to WOW you.
You give AB 20 carries a game, chances are he's going to have some big plays. the same can be said for about 20+ running backs in the NFL, if not more.
Evidentally the coaching staff agrees since he's a Buc.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 01:50 PM
lmao....it just makes no sense to me how you could consider someone a complete failure on 46 carries.

If AB had 2 games(46 carries) and had 163 yards (which ware did), I dont' think you'd be nearly as hard on HIM as you are on Ware. That's my point in this particularly meaningless argument. lolPizz, if he was as good as you claim, TC and KG would have given him more than 46 carries....especially with AB and BJ missing time.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 01:51 PM
Well, I hope WW3 doesnt start over some stupid movie.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 01:53 PM
Evidentally the coaching staff agrees since he's a Buc.

This has been used so often on these boards.

the same coaching staff thought Ryan Grant wasn't worth a roster spot right before he had a 1k+ yard season for Green Bay, the coaching staff is still human and still makes mistakes.

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 01:54 PM
Well, I hope WW3 doesnt start over some stupid movie.
I really don't think our disagreement with Pizz on Ware is going to case WWIII.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 01:54 PM
Pizz, if he was as good as you claim, TC and KG would have given him more than 46 carries....especially with AB and BJ missing time.

46 Carries in 2 games? that's quite high actually....this is a passing league remember...it's rare for RB's to get 20+ carries a game nowadays.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 01:56 PM
I really don't think our disagreement with Pizz on Ware is going to case WWIII.

I have to agree....the attack on our Ambassador in Bengahzi is much more likely to cause something like WWIII (but not with Obama in office so whatever)

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 01:56 PM
This has been used so often on these boards.

the same coaching staff thought Ryan Grant wasn't worth a roster spot right before he had a 1k+ yard season for Green Bay, the coaching staff is still human and still makes mistakes.
He had every opportunity this season. They gave him more snaps and carries than any other RB. He was 5th best on this team.

And Ryan Grant was NOT cut. We had BJ who was a top player at the time and a full backfield. He wasn't going to get any carries for us so we got what we could for him.

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 01:59 PM
I have to agree....the attack on our Ambassador in Bengahzi is much more likely to cause something like WWIII (but not with Obama in office so whatever)
It won't. It wasn't the Libyan government who attacked us. As a matter of fact, Libyan soldiers were fighting with our guys to put down the attack. I'm much more concerned with the conditions in Egypt than Libya. There is a fundamentalist movement in Egypt that could spell disaster. Our naive Prez hasn't helped that situation. They were emboldened by his rediculous apology speech in Cairo in 2009.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 02:06 PM
It won't. It wasn't the Libyan government who attacked us. As a matter of fact, Libyan soldiers were fighting with our guys to put down the attack. I'm much more concerned with the conditions in Egypt than Libya. There is a fundamentalist movement in Egypt that could spell disaster. Our naive Prez hasn't helped that situation. They were emboldened by his rediculous apology speech in Cairo in 2009.

Muslim Brotherhood (in Egypt) you mean right?

I agree, also I know it wasn't the Libyan Government but it still shows that their government doesn't have the same ideal's as a large enough portion of it's populace, it's only a matter of time before Libya has an "islamic spring" and another dangerous group succeeds at rising into power.

Also in the article I read about the Libyan Ambassador I also read that there was also an attack on the Tunisian ambassador in the past, it's only a matter of time until he's attacked now as well.

what are we doing to prevent this...more talking?

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 02:14 PM
He had every opportunity this season. They gave him more snaps and carries than any other RB. He was 5th best on this team.

And Ryan Grant was NOT cut. We had BJ who was a top player at the time and a full backfield. He wasn't going to get any carries for us so we got what we could for him.

At the time I didn't think the grant cut was a big deal I agree with you, I was just bringing up an example of a time where we let go of a productive player, grant would have helped our team the year we traded him away more then whatever we got for the what (4th RND?) pick we got.

Also Ware on his 46 carries last year....he was pretty much exactly the same as Bradshaw and Jacobs....they all averaged between 3.5-4.0 YPC

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 02:21 PM
46 Carries in 2 games? that's quite high actually....this is a passing league remember...it's rare for RB's to get 20+ carries a game nowadays.

Youre likely right. but it doesnt change my point that Dezz would not be calling for Bradshaw's head.....
"it's the bad O-line!! You can't judge him on 2 games!! Fix the line!! and then fire Perry Fewell!!! He's somehow responsible for this anyway!!!"

that's how it would go.....we know Dezz

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 02:30 PM
Youre likely right. but it doesnt change my point that Dezz would not be calling for Bradshaw's head.....
"it's the bad O-line!! You can't judge him on 2 games!! Fix the line!! and then fire Perry Fewell!!! He's somehow responsible for this anyway!!!"

that's how it would go.....we know Dezz
Bottom line is that Bradshaw has proven himself. He's been very productive and was an important part of our 2 SB wins. Ware had never proved himself and the clock finally ran out. He was here a long time without doing a thing. I'd say he got more than a fair shake.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 02:53 PM
Bottom line is that Bradshaw has proven himself. He's been very productive and was an important part of our 2 SB wins. Ware had never proved himself and the clock finally ran out. He was here a long time without doing a thing. I'd say he got more than a fair shake.

he didnt really need to play, so it doesnt really matter. thank you but your services are no longer needed.

DavenIII
09-12-2012, 03:08 PM
Bottom line is that Bradshaw has proven himself. He's been very productive and was an important part of our 2 SB wins. Ware had never proved himself and the clock finally ran out. He was here a long time without doing a thing. I'd say he got more than a fair shake.

He was stuck behind two players that the coaching staff trusted to get the job done, so yes you are right, he never proved himself, but it's not like he had the opportunity to do so either....

I'm not annoyed or upset that we let him go, we drafted Wilson...Wilson "looks" really good so far..(far better then Bradshaw imho) so yeah we didn't really have room for him, that said If "I" was starting a team today and my only two options at RB were AB or DJ Ware I'd still take Ware....from what I've seen.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 03:34 PM
He was stuck behind two players that the coaching staff trusted to get the job done, so yes you are right, he never proved himself, but it's not like he had the opportunity to do so either....

I'm not annoyed or upset that we let him go, we drafted Wilson...Wilson "looks" really good so far..(far better then Bradshaw imho) so yeah we didn't really have room for him, that said If "I" was starting a team today and my only two options at RB were AB or DJ Ware I'd still take Ware....from what I've seen. Past two years either Bradshaw or Jacobs were hurt. he def had chances.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 03:44 PM
Past two years either Bradshaw or Jacobs were hurt. he def had chances.

dude....he had 46 carries......46 carries over the whole season. 20 the year prior. So honestly, i have no idea what youre talking about.

So yea, clearly coaches didn't feel he was a necessary piece anymore, since we drafted Wilson. But to say he had a chance and didn't take advantage, there's just nothing to support that.

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 03:48 PM
dude....he had 46 carries......46 carries over the whole season. 20 the year prior. So honestly, i have no idea what youre talking about.

So yea, clearly coaches didn't feel he was a necessary piece anymore, since we drafted Wilson. But to say he had a chance and didn't take advantage, there's just nothing to support that.
Do you think he never carried the ball in practice?
Whats your point here Pizz......Are you saying that if he just had a chance they would realize how good he was?
He was on the team for 5 friggin years!

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 03:56 PM
Do you think he never carried the ball in practice?
Whats your point here Pizz......Are you saying that if he just had a chance they would realize how good he was?
He was on the team for 5 friggin years!

actually that IS my point. he was on the team for 5 years, so there must have been SOME reason.

Dezz's point is that he had the opportunity to be a stud RB or something with a fraction of the carries Jacobs and Bradshaw had or something, and that he failed miserably.
When it comes to 2012, when the team was faced with the decision....sorry Ware, youre the odd man out. I get it. I really do. But to say that he had his chances to shine, and didnt....well I'm sorry, there's just no sample size to support that claim. it's pretty naive if you ask me.
Why is it that people were so patient with Sinorice Moss for some inexplicable reason, but if someone makes the claim that Ware could have been good, but we'd never know.....that person is making stuff up?? lol

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 03:57 PM
Do you think he never carried the ball in practice?
Whats your point here Pizz......Are you saying that if he just had a chance they would realize how good he was?
He was on the team for 5 friggin years!Thats right. Incredible someone finally brought that up. Ware was here for 07 run as well. And TC picked Ab over Ware then too. Its not a conspiracy, the guy cant run the ball.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 03:57 PM
actually that IS my point. he was on the team for 5 years, so there must have been SOME reason.

Dezz's point is that he had the opportunity to be a stud RB or something with a fraction of the carries Jacobs and Bradshaw had or something, and that he failed miserably.
When it comes to 2012, when the team was faced with the decision....sorry Ware, youre the odd man out. I get it. I really do. But to say that he had his chances to shine, and didnt....well I'm sorry, there's just no sample size to support that claim. it's pretty naive if you ask me.
Why is it that people were so patient with Sinorice Moss for some inexplicable reason, but if someone makes the claim that Ware could have been good, but we'd never know.....that person is making stuff up?? lolI didnt have a point. I was just ribbing you lol.

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 03:59 PM
I didnt have a point. I was just ribbing you lol.

well you sure TRIED making all these nosensical points, thats for sure. You COULD just admit that you have no idea what youre talking about in this conversation! lol

JPizzack
09-12-2012, 04:00 PM
Thats right. Incredible someone finally brought that up. Ware was here for 07 run as well. And TC picked Ab over Ware then too. Its not a conspiracy, the guy cant run the ball.

so it's common practice for our team, who has been a pretty damn good team for awhile now, to just carry dead weight intentionally? that sounds pretty damning.

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 04:07 PM
well you sure TRIED making all these nosensical points, thats for sure. You COULD just admit that you have no idea what youre talking about in this conversation! lolLet me correct myself. I threw in the "like dj" as jab at you but i meant everything i said. Hes had plenty of chances. Hes never had a 20 yard run in the nfl!! Stop this madness!!!

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 04:08 PM
so it's common practice for our team, who has been a pretty damn good team for awhile now, to just carry dead weight intentionally? that sounds pretty damning.He wasnt dead weight, he knew his blocking assignments very well.

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 04:13 PM
so it's common practice for our team, who has been a pretty damn good team for awhile now, to just carry dead weight intentionally? that sounds pretty damning.
I'm really not sure what you're saying. First you say that a guy who was on the team for 5 years never got a real chance to prove himself. And then you suggest that he had to contribute since he was on the team for 5 years. They both can't be right.
The answer is that he has been a role player for 5 years. He's been a backup. And now after getting paid well for 5 years to be that role player, he has been beaten out by the 4 backs we kept.
Its just not complicated. Not only did he get plenty of chances, but he was a Giant for 5 years. Not really that bad. BJ and Bradshaw were always better than he was.

Imgrate
09-12-2012, 04:30 PM
Dj ware has/had no upside at all. add in him not being better than the guys in front of him and its easy to see why he didnt get many chances

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 04:30 PM
Id make the case that Dj was also better at carrying the ball. only 1 fumble in 5 years. AB had 9 one year and we all know how much TC dispises fumbles, AND HE STILL WENT WITH AB!

Morehead State
09-12-2012, 05:02 PM
Id make the case that Dj was also better at carrying the ball. only 1 fumble in 5 years. AB had 9 one year and we all know how much TC dispises fumbles, AND HE STILL WENT WITH AB!
Why are we wasting our time talking about a Tampa Bay Buc?

dezzzR
09-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Why are we wasting our time talking about a Tampa Bay Buc?Because thee thread has turned into the ending of the movie Sandlot.

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 08:30 AM
Because thee thread has turned into the ending of the movie Sandlot.

Benny The Jet stealing home for the LA Dodgers to win the game??

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 09:08 AM
this may be one of my favorite leisure dive lmao
http://i.imgur.com/a9Kdw.jpg

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 09:42 AM
So I've bowled pretty good my first two weeks of the new winter season, I "may" have the highest Average in the State of NJ at the moment.

I'm averaging 254.5

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 09:46 AM
So I've bowled pretty good my first two weeks of the new winter season, I "may" have the highest Average in the State of NJ at the moment.

I'm averaging 254.5

highest as in like, whatever alley leagues track? that's pretty awesome if thats the case. nice

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 10:04 AM
highest as in like, whatever alley leagues track? that's pretty awesome if thats the case. nice

Highest as in highest recorded at the moment in every bowling alley every league in the state of New Jersey.

One of my friends is pretty active in the PBA and USBC and posted it on my wall...so I mean if anyone would know it'd be him.

It's only after two weeks and I had two very good weeks it's unlikely to last....but just for now it's pretty awesome.

dezzzR
09-13-2012, 10:09 AM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/431226_10100474591486812_1920490051_n.jpg

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 10:09 AM
Highest as in highest recorded at the moment in every bowling alley every league in the state of New Jersey.

One of my friends is pretty active in the PBA and USBC and posted it on my wall...so I mean if anyone would know it'd be him.

It's only after two weeks and I had two very good weeks it's unlikely to last....but just for now it's pretty awesome.

cool. grats yo

dezzzR
09-13-2012, 10:14 AM
Highest as in highest recorded at the moment in every bowling alley every league in the state of New Jersey.

One of my friends is pretty active in the PBA and USBC and posted it on my wall...so I mean if anyone would know it'd be him.

It's only after two weeks and I had two very good weeks it's unlikely to last....but just for now it's pretty awesome.Thats pretty impressive.

dezzzR
09-13-2012, 10:16 AM
Benny The Jet stealing home for the LA Dodgers to win the game??nah when they all grow up or move away. Theyre all playing baseball as kids and then start evaporating. haha

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 10:22 AM
nah when they all grow up or move away. Theyre all playing baseball as kids and then start evaporating. haha

yea but after that is when they show Benny playin for the Dodgers, and Smalls is the commentator. Remember that? lol

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 10:35 AM
Thats pretty impressive.

I'm impressed myself lol.

for 8 games so far this season I went, 265-235-244-276-298-213-258-247.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2012, 12:08 PM
So I've bowled pretty good my first two weeks of the new winter season, I "may" have the highest Average in the State of NJ at the moment.

I'm averaging 254.5

where do u bowl and waht do u typically average?>

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2012, 12:09 PM
haha dude ur not going to beleive this, my boss knows you Ken Marion

said you bowled wtih him in the summer

i told him u were averaging 254 and he said that he believes it

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 12:13 PM
haha dude ur not going to beleive this, my boss knows you Ken Marion

said you bowled wtih him in the summer

i told him u were averaging 254 and he said that he believes it

lol that's cool, yeah I remember him a bit, I'm 254 at the moment but I usually average between 215-220...which is still very good...254 is like silly numbers.

MattMeyerBud
09-13-2012, 12:15 PM
lol that's cool, yeah I remember him a bit, I'm 254 at the moment but I usually average between 215-220...which is still very good...254 is like silly numbers.

he asked where are you bowling now

Morehead State
09-13-2012, 12:43 PM
lol that's cool, yeah I remember him a bit, I'm 254 at the moment but I usually average between 215-220...which is still very good...254 is like silly numbers.
I average 154 in my league. If it was golf I'd be better than you.

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 12:58 PM
he asked where are you bowling now

I'm bowling in Oakland (Holiday Bowl)

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 01:04 PM
I average 154 in my league. If it was golf I'd be better than you.

you are right, I've never played golf, I mean I've been to the driving range and I've putted? around before, although I will say almost all my "bowling" friends also Golf, I'm told they are very similar in a lot of ways.

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 01:41 PM
I used to LOVE golfing when I was a kid. But then i was like.....why am I walking around in the 95 degree heat chasing a little white ball? Who invented this awful ****??
As it turned out, I really just liked beating the **** out of things, such as hitting a golf ball with a 3 Wood or a Driver, hence my initial liking of the game.

dezzzR
09-13-2012, 01:52 PM
I used to LOVE golfing when I was a kid. But then i was like.....why am I walking around in the 95 degree heat chasing a little white ball? Who invented this awful ****??
As it turned out, I really just liked beating the **** out of things, such as hitting a golf ball with a 3 Wood or a Driver, hence my initial liking of the game.The Scotts

Morehead State
09-13-2012, 01:54 PM
you are right, I've never played golf, I mean I've been to the driving range and I've putted? around before, although I will say almost all my "bowling" friends also Golf, I'm told they are very similar in a lot of ways.
Golfers are essentially bowlers who take showers.

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 02:32 PM
Golfers are essentially bowlers who take showers.

blah blah I know you love me Morehead, we've switched forums so the signature is gone but "I'll" never forget it :)

Morehead State
09-13-2012, 02:35 PM
blah blah I know you love me Morehead, we've switched forums so the signature is gone but "I'll" never forget it :)
You know that was funny

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 02:38 PM
I'm willing to bet that if you take a golfer after 18 holes, and a bowler after 3 games......the bowler will still smell shower-fresh!
That is unless of course they have been drinking and smoking heavily....little different, but we all know who'd need the shower!

Morehead State
09-13-2012, 02:43 PM
I'm willing to bet that if you take a golfer after 18 holes, and a bowler after 3 games......the bowler will still smell shower-fresh!
That is unless of course they have been drinking and smoking heavily....little different, but we all know who'd need the shower!
Bowlers smell bad BEFORE they start bowling.

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 03:08 PM
I'm willing to bet that if you take a golfer after 18 holes, and a bowler after 3 games......the bowler will still smell shower-fresh!
That is unless of course they have been drinking and smoking heavily....little different, but we all know who'd need the shower!

you'd be surprised, competitive bowling can be quite a strenuous activity.

taking a 15 or 16 pound weight and throwing it down a 60 foot lane at upwards of 17-18MPH and creating 500 RPM's on that weight at the same time and doing this 30+ times in the course of a couple hours can be pretty taxing physically...that's why I'm trying to tell MH that the stereotypical fat smelly bowler dude isn't exactly true :P

but whatever :P I know he knows and he's just pushing my buttons.

JPizzack
09-13-2012, 03:14 PM
lol i know. i was teasing both of you lol

Roosevelt
09-13-2012, 03:15 PM
So I've bowled pretty good my first two weeks of the new winter season, I "may" have the highest Average in the State of NJ at the moment.

I'm averaging 254.5

How many games, 1?

j/k - That's great. Congrats. My high was 246 - a long time ago.

DavenIII
09-13-2012, 03:33 PM
How many games, 1?

j/k - That's great. Congrats. My high was 246 - a long time ago.


Nice! 246 is nothing to sneeze at...it's pretty good, also bowling has changed so much over the years...246 used to be MUCH harder to throw then it is now.

my 254 average is only 8 games in actually, that's why I'm not really crazy about it yet, but still it's good enough that other really good HOF bowlers I bowl with are mentioning it so I'm stoked.

Roosevelt
09-13-2012, 09:04 PM
Nice! 246 is nothing to sneeze at...it's pretty good, also bowling has changed so much over the years...246 used to be MUCH harder to throw then it is now.

my 254 average is only 8 games in actually, that's why I'm not really crazy about it yet, but still it's good enough that other really good HOF bowlers I bowl with are mentioning it so I'm stoked.

A 254 average sounds like a pro's average. You should be proud. But how is it you say bowling is easier now?

byron
09-13-2012, 09:31 PM
A 254 average sounds like a pro's average. You should be proud. But how is it you say bowling is easier now? I think its has something to do with gps ....;) hey Rosey


Congrats Daven you pretty good at rolling the rock !

DavenIII
09-14-2012, 09:20 AM
A 254 average sounds like a pro's average. You should be proud. But how is it you say bowling is easier now?

254 is higher then most Pro's averages...but pro's bowl on a more difficult shot.

Bowling is easier because of technology, the balls nowadays do nearly all the work for you...that and houses are catering towards higher scores to bring in and keep customers.

not more then 15 years ago having a 200+ average was very impressive, nowadays nearly anyone can buy a new bowl and average 200 within a year.

another example is 300's thrown at the PBA Open tournament, the have a big board when you go there that shows 300's thrown every year during the course of the event.

in the 70's and 80's you'd see 20-30 300's thrown during the whole event, now? you see thousands thrown....with the same attendance, you used to have to generate speed and power and rotation yourself....and it took a long time to master and control, now you can just drop a ball on the lane and it creates power/rotation by itself...obviously not quite as much as I can create using the same ball....but most of the time you don't need "that" much just a little is enough if you are consistent.

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 10:39 AM
Whattup *****es? Where is everyone?

DavenIII
09-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Whattup *****es? Where is everyone?

I'm inside a grey office building on 89 leuning street in south hackensack NJ, how about yourself?

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 11:07 AM
I'm inside a grey office building on 89 leuning street in south hackensack NJ, how about yourself?

12 North Ave, Pleasant valley, NY...ground floor in a cubicle.

byron
09-14-2012, 11:38 AM
12 North Ave, Pleasant valley, NY...ground floor in a cubicle. I'm in a gray house with white trim here in beautiful Windsor Maine...thinking



hi everyone.... I'm excited about getting down there for the cleveland game ! Dezz you gonna make the tailgate this year!!

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 12:16 PM
I'm in a gray house with white trim here in beautiful Windsor Maine...thinking



hi everyone.... I'm excited about getting down there for the cleveland game ! Dezz you gonna make the tailgate this year!!


hells yea man, i cant wait!! I look forward it to every year like an 8 year old at christmas!!

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2012, 12:18 PM
A 254 average sounds like a pro's average. You should be proud. But how is it you say bowling is easier now?

somebody administer a blood test to daven immediatly.

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2012, 12:18 PM
Whattup *****es? Where is everyone?

fridays ALWAYS suck in here... always have. Its weird

MattMeyerBud
09-14-2012, 12:21 PM
Daven is topping the singles charts in that bowling league. Watch out for the Hosley guy, he supposively has over 60 perfect games on record

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 12:21 PM
fridays ALWAYS suck in here... always have. Its weird

yea, these are the days taht i require the most entertainment, to ensure that the day passes quickly!!!! lol

byron
09-14-2012, 12:22 PM
fridays ALWAYS suck in here... always have. Its weird last day of the work week always gets in the way of the weekend!

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 12:23 PM
I didnt realize that Terrel Thomas did in fact get his ACL surgery. I consider him done like dinner at this point...

byron
09-14-2012, 12:25 PM
I didnt realize that Terrel Thomas did in fact got his ACL surgery. I consider him done like dinner at this point... yeah tough luck for him.....I think he's done to.....I guess there is some chance he could play again...but he'd def have to do a new deal to stay here

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 12:27 PM
yeah tough luck for him.....I think he's done to.....I guess there is some chance he could play again...but he'd def have to do a new deal to stay here

Yea, that's what im saying basically. Don't get me wrong, i dont like parting with any guys who have been on the team awhile....but if he seems healthy enough next year (doubtful), He'd be worth a spot for the minimum

JPizzack
09-14-2012, 01:11 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dezz.....

Coming to the game this year, *******?

Roosevelt
09-14-2012, 01:30 PM
254 is higher then most Pro's averages...but pro's bowl on a more difficult shot.

Bowling is easier because of technology, the balls nowadays do nearly all the work for you...that and houses are catering towards higher scores to bring in and keep customers.

not more then 15 years ago having a 200+ average was very impressive, nowadays nearly anyone can buy a new bowl and average 200 within a year.

another example is 300's thrown at the PBA Open tournament, the have a big board when you go there that shows 300's thrown every year during the course of the event.

in the 70's and 80's you'd see 20-30 300's thrown during the whole event, now? you see thousands thrown....with the same attendance, you used to have to generate speed and power and rotation yourself....and it took a long time to master and control, now you can just drop a ball on the lane and it creates power/rotation by itself...obviously not quite as much as I can create using the same ball....but most of the time you don't need "that" much just a little is enough if you are consistent.

Interesting. I'll have to dust off my ball and see what happens.

Roosevelt
09-14-2012, 01:31 PM
somebody administer a blood test to daven immediatly.

That's what I was thinking! :)

DavenIII
09-14-2012, 01:52 PM
Daven is topping the singles charts in that bowling league. Watch out for the Hosley guy, he supposively has over 60 perfect games on record

The Hoz! yeah I actually went against him heads up last Wednesday, I went 298/213 he went like 227/256, was a good match, he's got many many 300's easily 50+ he's also in the Bowling Hall Of Fame.

This is the sheet.

http://i.imgur.com/i11bJ.jpg

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 06:59 AM
Sure glad we wasted a first round pick on a running back

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 08:37 AM
Sure glad we wasted a first round pick on a running back

Yea totally....
I hate when we win games.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 09:25 AM
Sure glad we wasted a first round pick on a running back
Is it your view that the first two games are the all thats needed in evaluating a draft pick Lawl?
If so...you have lost your mind.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 09:29 AM
Is it your view that the first two games are the all thats needed in evaluating a draft pick Lawl?
If so...you have lost your mind.

I shouldnt have responded. I'm going to ignore him from now on. It is just usless to complain like he does.

Why don't we complain that Kenny Phillips isn't an All-Pro safety?
Or that Prince has barely played a down of football?

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 09:33 AM
In other news....

What's with Justin Tuck looking rather geriatric?? I saw him make 1 play on the ball, and another tackle he basically just fell on the guy. He must be ****ed up somehow still, he just doesnt look like he used to at all.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 09:38 AM
oh, another (somewhat) obvious observation...

The O-line looked excellent yesterday...not only did they give good protection, but the size of the gaps they opened for AB and Brown were amazing. A+ performance.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 09:49 AM
BTW..TC was WAY off base on his whining about that last play. How cvamn you complain about a team who plays hard on every play?
Frankly I'm friggin sick of NFL teams just standing around and letting a QB take a knee. Try to force him to fumble as far as I'm concerned.
When did TC get so soft. Our O got caught with their pants down and he was whining about it.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 10:01 AM
BTW..TC was WAY off base on his whining about that last play. How cvamn you complain about a team who plays hard on every play?
Frankly I'm friggin sick of NFL teams just standing around and letting a QB take a knee. Try to force him to fumble as far as I'm concerned.
When did TC get so soft. Our O got caught with their pants down and he was whining about it.

cuz it's bush league....

Can you imagine if we faked a clock play, and then just tossed a lob for another TD. We'd be criticized for running up the score. Why is this different? You know he's taking a knee, which is the respectful thing to do.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 10:12 AM
Sure glad we wasted a first round pick on a running backI knew this was coming.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 10:16 AM
BTW..TC was WAY off base on his whining about that last play. How cvamn you complain about a team who plays hard on every play?
Frankly I'm friggin sick of NFL teams just standing around and letting a QB take a knee. Try to force him to fumble as far as I'm concerned.
When did TC get so soft. Our O got caught with their pants down and he was whining about it.Mehh. Its victory formation. I thought it was a bit cheap. If you watch it again, theyre going right for the legs of all our olinemen. I know theyre going after the snap but someone can get hurt. If Bass got injured Im sure youd be singing a different tune.


I love how TC wanted to shake hands as he was going off on him. lol

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:26 AM
cuz it's bush league....

Can you imagine if we faked a clock play, and then just tossed a lob for another TD. We'd be criticized for running up the score. Why is this different? You know he's taking a knee, which is the respectful thing to do.
They didn't fake anything. they lined up in an aggressive formation and made it clear they were coming after Eli. We were caught with our pants down and if they hit Eli and he fumbled, it would have been completely on us.
Just as I said in the other thread, It made me sick watching Romo take 3 knees last week while we watched. We just friggin watched and let them win. If we lined up like Tampa did, he could very well have rushed the snap. Any slight bobble could have been costly. And that likelihood is enhanced if you know they are coming after you. Letting the other team win is unacceptable.
I for one hope this changes the way all teams treat the kneel down play. especially us.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:28 AM
Mehh. Its victory formation. I thought it was a bit cheap. If you watch it again, theyre going right for the legs of all our olinemen. I know theyre going after the snap but someone can get hurt. If Bass got injured Im sure youd be singing a different tune.


I love how TC wanted to shake hands as he was going off on him. lol
Going low is not dirty. Its what every D lineman is taught to do at the goalline.
Yes...lets just stand around on plays so no one gets hurt. Total crap!!!!
Play to win. Don't let the other team take a knee without trying to cause a fumble. thats good football.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 10:32 AM
They didn't fake anything. they lined up in an aggressive formation and made it clear they were coming after Eli. We were caught with our pants down and if they hit Eli and he fumbled, it would have been completely on us.
Just as I said in the other thread, It made me sick watching Romo take 3 knees last week while we watched. We just friggin watched and let them win. If we lined up like Tampa did, he could very well have rushed the snap. Any slight bobble could have been costly. And that likelihood is enhanced if you know they are coming after you. Letting the other team win is unacceptable.
I for one hope this changes the way all teams treat the kneel down play. especially us.

I disagree. For a league that preaches player safety(which any fan can take one stance or another), this was not a good way to end the game. If Eli got seriously injured on the play, you'd be calling for Schiano's head.
The O-line shouldn't be to blame for following the standard playcalling. No matter which way you look at it, it's a ***** move. By the time the Defense gets to the QB, they are down, and it would be a late hit....it's jsut not good at all.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 10:34 AM
Regardless, I approve of TC's reaction. You don't let rookie coaches get away with anything, lol.

He claimed Rutgers would do it.........no, they don't do it in college either....Rutgers never did it. nice try.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 10:36 AM
Going low is not dirty. Its what every D lineman is taught to do at the goalline.
Yes...lets just stand around on plays so no one gets hurt. Total crap!!!!
Play to win. Don't let the other team take a knee without trying to cause a fumble. thats good football.Yea I just dont agree. Obviously the Giants players felt the same.

But enough about the drama. Are our WRs incredible or what?
http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.4008959.1347854054%21/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/image.JPG I like salsa with my 80 yard tds!!!

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:38 AM
I disagree. For a league that preaches player safety(which any fan can take one stance or another), this was not a good way to end the game. If Eli got seriously injured on the play, you'd be calling for Schiano's head.
The O-line shouldn't be to blame for following the standard playcalling. No matter which way you look at it, it's a ***** move. By the time the Defense gets to the QB, they are down, and it would be a late hit....it's jsut not good at all.
Absolute bull****!
When one team is playing hard on a play (and makes it clear they are playing hard) and the other team isn't, and doesn't even notice how the defense is lining up, and then someone gets hurt, which team is to blame?

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:40 AM
Regardless, I approve of TC's reaction. You don't let rookie coaches get away with anything, lol.

He claimed Rutgers would do it.........no, they don't do it in college either....Rutgers never did it. nice try.
TC's reaction was that of someone who got caught with his pants down and got defensive about it.
His reaction was bull****. he got schooled by a rookie coach that you don't quit until the game is over.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 10:43 AM
TC's reaction was that of someone who got caught with his pants down and got defensive about it.
His reaction was bull****. he got schooled by a rookie coach that you don't quit until the game is over.This whole post is complete ****. I expect better from you.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 10:52 AM
Even if Bradshaw comes back next week, Id still like to see Brown get more carries. It was only a matter of time before bradshaw hurt his neck, hes always trying to use his head as a torpedo.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 10:56 AM
TC's reaction was that of someone who got caught with his pants down and got defensive about it.
His reaction was bull****. he got schooled by a rookie coach that you don't quit until the game is over.

I don't really understand why you have this kind of reaction. I get that you think teams should play hard till the whistle blows. But it's 99.999999% normal to take a knee on the last play of the game, especially with :05 or whatever was left on the game clock.

I got back to my previous 2 points from earlier:
Youd be singing a different song if we had scored again in the final 20 seconds, and
Youd also wouldnt be on this page if Eli had broken his damn neck as a result of this.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:57 AM
This whole post is complete ****. I expect better from you.
Why don't you explain why its a good thing to complain about a team playing hard on every play. the only thing he should complain about is our teams inability to recognize that they were coming after Eli and to be prepared for it.
Actually trying to disrupt a play is not dirty. Its kind of what defense is all about.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Even if Bradshaw comes back next week, Id still like to see Brown get more carries. It was only a matter of time before bradshaw hurt his neck, hes always trying to use his head as a torpedo.

Hell yea, if the O-line opens up what they did yesterday, our RBs will have great games! I don't even care which RB we use lol

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 10:59 AM
I don't really understand why you have this kind of reaction. I get that you think teams should play hard till the whistle blows. But it's 99.999999% normal to take a knee on the last play of the game, especially with :05 or whatever was left on the game clock.

I got back to my previous 2 points from earlier:
Youd be singing a different song if we had scored again in the final 20 seconds, and
Youd also wouldnt be on this page if Eli had broken his damn neck as a result of this.
If Eli had gotten hurt it would have been because they were trying on the play and we weren't. Who would be to blame there?
They did NOT disguise there intentions Piz.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 11:02 AM
I don't really understand why you have this kind of reaction. I get that you think teams should play hard till the whistle blows. But it's 99.999999% normal to take a knee on the last play of the game, especially with :05 or whatever was left on the game clock.

I got back to my previous 2 points from earlier:
Youd be singing a different song if we had scored again in the final 20 seconds, and
Youd also wouldnt be on this page if Eli had broken his damn neck as a result of this.

Even when you take a knee you still have to run the play. You still have to get the snap cleanly and kneel down. If you are unchallenged by the defense you do that very relaxed. No rush..no worries. when they are coming after you and you know it, that is not as easy a play. How many snaps are fumbled in a season Piz? Plenty. Even by Eli. They never fumble on kneel down plays because the defense isn't offering any challenge.
I'm telling you, its a good play by Tampa and I expect my team to challenge Vick or Romo or any QB who expects not to be challenged on a kneel down play. When you DO challenge it, you increase the risk of a turnover.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:08 AM
Why don't you explain why its a good thing to complain about a team playing hard on every play. the only thing he should complain about is our teams inability to recognize that they were coming after Eli and to be prepared for it.
Actually trying to disrupt a play is not dirty. Its kind of what defense is all about.Im not sure if youre "MHing" or serious. Its a dead play. Again they were going for the snap and could of seriously injured one of our players. Most times we see a qb take a knee, you just see the dline stand up IF they even put their hand on a olineman.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:12 AM
Bennett can be reeeeally good if he gets his head out of his ***. Him and Eli need more reps.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 11:20 AM
Im not sure if youre "MHing" or serious. Its a dead play. Again they were going for the snap and could of seriously injured one of our players. Most times we see a qb take a knee, you just see the dline stand up IF they even put their hand on a olineman.
Its a dead play because the defense gives up. I want my team challenging that play. I want opposing QB's to know that if you don't handle that snap absolutely perfectly, we will dislodge the ball. If you don't make that play perfectly, you will be hit and fumble.
Its stupid that defenses stand around and let QB's kneel down easily.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:25 AM
Its a dead play because the defense gives up. I want my team challenging that play. I want opposing QB's to know that if you don't handle that snap absolutely perfectly, we will dislodge the ball. If you don't make that play perfectly, you will be hit and fumble.
Its stupid that defenses stand around and let QB's kneel down easily.I think youre over reacting. Its all a distraction, you dont want to talk about Eli throwing 500 yards. :D

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:26 AM
Where the hell has Osi and Tuck been?? We need to start blitzing or theyre in trouble against good qbs

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 11:31 AM
I think youre over reacting. Its all a distraction, you dont want to talk about Eli throwing 500 yards. :D
Its all I've been talking about to my Pats fan friends this morning.

I AM glad that Phil's record of 512 is still in tact though.

byron
09-17-2012, 11:40 AM
Why don't you explain why its a good thing to complain about a team playing hard on every play. the only thing he should complain about is our teams inability to recognize that they were coming after Eli and to be prepared for it.
Actually trying to disrupt a play is not dirty. Its kind of what defense is all about.

For what its worth I get what you are saying...its an unwritten rule of honor /sportsmanship that's been adopted as general practice in certain situations "by most coaches anyway" ....so I get TC being unset ...thats the kind of guy he is and he let Tampa's coach know how he felt....

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 11:44 AM
Where the hell has Osi and Tuck been?? We need to start blitzing or theyre in trouble against good qbs

yea i mentioned earlier that Tuck looks like a 40 year old on most plays. and for some reason it looks like we're sending just 4 on like 60% of our plays. Clearly the Blackburn sack play worked....do that more!! lol

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 11:48 AM
For what its worth I get what you are saying...its an unwritten rule of honor /sportsmanship that's been adopted as general practice in certain situations "by most coaches anyway" ....so I get TC being unset ...thats the kind of guy he is and he let Tampa's coach know how he felt....
I would agree if Tampa faked like they were giving up and then went after Eli. But they made it clear that they were playing it aggressively. We had no excuse not to be prepared for it and if someone got hurt it would have been on us.

And its not an unwritten rule. Teams just stopped challenging that play and now everybody expects that. But they should challenge it and try to disrupt the play, just like Tampa did.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 11:51 AM
Its all I've been talking about to my Pats fan friends this morning.

I AM glad that Phil's record of 512 is still in tact though.

Cuz you hate Eli, and wanted him to get injured yesterday.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:56 AM
Cuz you hate Eli, and wanted him to get injured yesterday.lmao thats why he doesnt think it was cheap

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 11:58 AM
I would agree if Tampa faked like they were giving up and then went after Eli. But they made it clear that they were playing it aggressively. We had no excuse not to be prepared for it and if someone got hurt it would have been on us.

And its not an unwritten rule. Teams just stopped challenging that play and now everybody expects that. But they should challenge it and try to disrupt the play, just like Tampa did......An unwritten rule.....

byron
09-17-2012, 12:05 PM
I would agree if Tampa faked like they were giving up and then went after Eli. But they made it clear that they were playing it aggressively. We had no excuse not to be prepared for it and if someone got hurt it would have been on us.

And its not an unwritten rule. Teams just stopped challenging that play and now everybody expects that. But they should challenge it and try to disrupt the play, just like Tampa did.
Again I'm not disagreeing with you....I meant the same thing you just said in your last paragraph I just said it different ....the rule is a knee down play over nothing more The giant lined up to protect Eli in the "Kneel down play" and didn't execute very good ....

byron
09-17-2012, 12:05 PM
.....An unwritten rule..... thank you DezzzR

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 12:07 PM
Is it your view that the first two games are the all thats needed in evaluating a draft pick Lawl?If so...you have lost your mind. When will you guys understand that its not about his play its about the position he plays. you can draft or bring in random guys like andre brown bradshaw jacobs and youll be just fine at the position.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 12:21 PM
Cuz you hate Eli, and wanted him to get injured yesterday.
Not injured bad. Just enough not to throw for that extra 3 yards.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 12:22 PM
When will you guys understand that its not about his play its about the position he plays. you can draft or bring in random guys like andre brown bradshaw jacobs and youll be just fine at the position.
Thats not what your post suggested. You were suggesting that since he hasn't done anything yet it was a wasted pick.
This is why I had to thrash you in FF this weekend. You have to be put in your place.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 12:25 PM
Thats not what your post suggested. You were suggesting that since he hasn't done anything yet it was a wasted pick.This is why I had to thrash you in FF this weekend. You have to be put in your place.it was a wasted pick the second we drafted him. because he is a rb. My point was emphasized by the emergence of Andre brown this week.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 12:34 PM
it was a wasted pick the second we drafted him. because he is a rb. My point was emphasized by the emergence of Andre brown this week.
I remember Luis Tillman going for 200 yards for us once and then was never to be heard from again. It was Rodney Hampton that was helping us win games. Year after year.
What round was Rodney drafted in again?

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 12:36 PM
it was a wasted pick the second we drafted him. because he is a rb. My point was emphasized by the emergence of Andre brown this week.

We draft BPA. It's just what we do. Why do you continue to get bent over it? We were weak at RB, the guy had stud written all over him, and it WAS the logical pick at that time of the draft, and I stand by the decision Reese made.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 12:43 PM
I have yet to see Wilson not run it passed the 20 yardline this season on special teams. Our special teams have been great so far this season, imo.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 12:46 PM
I have yet to see Wilson not run it passed the 20 yardline this season on special teams. Our special teams have been great so far this season, imo.

Yea, he's been a pleasant surprise on STs. I'll take it.
Sucks that the Randle return got called back. It was looking good.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 12:48 PM
Yea, he's been a pleasant surprise on STs. I'll take it.
Sucks that the Randle return got called back. It was looking good.Yea Randle has great acceleration. Didnt notice until yesterday.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 12:49 PM
We draft BPA. It's just what we do. Why do you continue to get bent over it? We were weak at RB, the guy had stud written all over him, and it WAS the logical pick at that time of the draft, and I stand by the decision Reese made.cordy glenn was the best player on their board. they drafted Wilson because they thought rb was a greater need. Do you still stand by reese on the sintim pick?

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 01:08 PM
cordy glenn was the best player on their board. they drafted Wilson because they thought rb was a greater need. Do you still stand by reese on the sintim pick?

I would have loved Cordy Glenn on my team, I'm a Georgia fan.
However, our O-line looked good in the playoffs, despite being thrown together from leftover pieces. We all assumed that why they didnt draft OL in the first round.

And if youre going to use one bust out of however many picks we've had since Sintim was drafted, I know youve lost your ****....
The main reason the Sintim pick stings, is because it was essentially one of the picks from the shockey trade, and despite the fact that those picks ending up as busts, shockey was also a bust from then on......and **** Shockey...who cares.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 01:14 PM
I would have loved Cordy Glenn on my team, I'm a Georgia fan.However, our O-line looked good in the playoffs, despite being thrown together from leftover pieces. We all assumed that why they didnt draft OL in the first round. And if youre going to use one bust out of however many picks we've had since Sintim was drafted, I know youve lost your ****....The main reason the Sintim pick stings, is because it was essentially one of the picks from the shockey trade, and despite the fact that those picks ending up as busts, shockey was also a bust from then on......and **** Shockey...who cares. I used sintim as an example that they arentt always right and this organization absolutely does not always make the percentage move. from the coaching up.

DavenIII
09-17-2012, 01:23 PM
TC's reaction was that of someone who got caught with his pants down and got defensive about it.
His reaction was bull****. he got schooled by a rookie coach that you don't quit until the game is over.

Morehead, how come when the coaching staff agrees with your opinion (on say Danny Ware for example) their actions are infallible evidence of what is right and wrong, but when they don't agree with you they are just regular people capable of getting caught with their pants down...and capable of acting irrationally?

TC did the right thing here, he gave the rookie head coach some gruff for him doing something unusual....that's all there is too it, and Dez is right, had Eli or one of our O-Line been injured there you would most definitely not get on TC or our team....you would be absolutely livid with Schiano.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 01:23 PM
cordy glenn was the best player on their board. they drafted Wilson because they thought rb was a greater need. Do you still stand by reese on the sintim pick?
How ironic you asked about Sintim.
We should have drafted Lesean McCoy with that pick.
He's a RB Lawl. Did you know that?

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 01:26 PM
Morehead, how come when the coaching staff agrees with your opinion (on say Danny Ware for example) their actions are infallible evidence of what is right and wrong, but when they don't agree with you they are just regular people capable of getting caught with their pants down...and capable of acting irrationally?

TC did the right thing here, he gave the rookie head coach some gruff for him doing something unusual....that's all there is too it, and Dez is right, had Eli or one of our O-Line been injured there you would most definitely not get on TC or our team....you would be absolutely livid with Schiano.

Because that way I get to win either way.

That aside. The decision to cut or keep a player is a deliberate one. An angry reaction and the need to defend it later is emotional.
Thats an entirely different criteria and reaction.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 01:27 PM
How ironic you asked about Sintim.We should have drafted Lesean McCoy with that pick.He's a RB Lawl. Did you know that?2nd round. Did you know that?

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 01:30 PM
2nd round. Did you know that?
So 2nd round is fine now. Thats not what you said on draft day. You claimed there were plenty of backs in the 4th and 5th rounds to draft.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 01:36 PM
So 2nd round is fine now. Thats not what you said on draft day. You claimed there were plenty of backs in the 4th and 5th rounds to draft.and there were.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 01:37 PM
According to MH, when Eli got rocked while taking a snap and taking a knee, TC's correct reaction should have been "ehh whatever, football, amirite?"

Whether you think we were prepared or not for that, or whether a defense should operate like that...Coughlin did EXACTLY what every single coach from peewee to NFL would have done.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 01:39 PM
Also, to correct you, the guy we should have taken went right after sintim. Connor barwin

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 01:46 PM
According to MH, when Eli got rocked while taking a snap and taking a knee, TC's correct reaction should have been "ehh whatever, football, amirite?"

Whether you think we were prepared or not for that, or whether a defense should operate like that...Coughlin did EXACTLY what every single coach from peewee to NFL would have done.
He got caught with his pants down by a rookie HC, and complained about it after. I agree that all or most coaches would have reacted the same way...but they would all be wrong.
They tried to force a fumble on a kneel down play. Thats the only thing to do. I am always pissed when we stand around on defense and let them take a knee without any pressure to take the snap and make that play perfectly.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 01:47 PM
According to MH, when Eli got rocked while taking a snap and taking a knee, TC's correct reaction should have been "ehh whatever, football, amirite?"

Whether you think we were prepared or not for that, or whether a defense should operate like that...Coughlin did EXACTLY what every single coach from peewee to NFL would have done.Agree 100%. Hes protecting his qb and players.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 01:49 PM
He got caught with his pants down by a rookie HC, and complained about it after. I agree that all or most coaches would have reacted the same way...but they would all be wrong.
They tried to force a fumble on a kneel down play. Thats the only thing to do. I am always pissed when we stand around on defense and let them take a knee without any pressure to take the snap and make that play perfectly.Now Giants plaayers are saying some of the Bucs were apologizing!!! So some Bucs even thought it was a futile and classless gesture.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 01:54 PM
He got caught with his pants down by a rookie HC, and complained about it after. I agree that all or most coaches would have reacted the same way...but they would all be wrong.
They tried to force a fumble on a kneel down play. Thats the only thing to do. I am always pissed when we stand around on defense and let them take a knee without any pressure to take the snap and make that play perfectly.

if it were us in that situation....we wouldnt deserve to win that game, and not have the opportunity for a late comeback. we laid down for almsot 4 quarters, thats our punishment....the loss.
And yes, i can honestly say i'd be a bit pissed if one of our tackles tried to dive thru the o-line to hit the QB on a kneel...its just bad sportsmanship. So if you encourage that, you should be in favor of retracting all the *****y hit rules too.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 01:58 PM
Now Giants plaayers are saying some of the Bucs were apologizing!!! So some Bucs even thought it was a futile and classless gesture.

+Juan

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 02:07 PM
if it were us in that situation....we wouldnt deserve to win that game, and not have the opportunity for a late comeback. we laid down for almsot 4 quarters, thats our punishment....the loss.
And yes, i can honestly say i'd be a bit pissed if one of our tackles tried to dive thru the o-line to hit the QB on a kneel...its just bad sportsmanship. So if you encourage that, you should be in favor of retracting all the *****y hit rules too.
Bull****!
Go play the game. If they want to take a knee and walk away easy thats their problem. I say line up and try to disrupt the play. Force them to make that exchange and kneel down perfectly. If they bobble the snap, we can get the ball back.
I hated watching Romo take 3 kneel down snaps while we were standing around, admitting defeat. If none of you think Romo could fumble a snap you haven't been watching football in the last several years.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 02:08 PM
So how bout them red sox?

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 02:12 PM
So how bout them red sox?

My dream is to have Bobby V. actually fired on the field. With one of those big hooks.
He is to the Red Sox as Ray Handley was to the Giants.
But fret not, its only a one year break from our current dynasty.
But Ray Handley was actually a decent human being.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 02:17 PM
If a penalty was called on that KP hit I think I would of thrown the remote at my tv. Holmes was laid out on a legal hit as well in the JetsvsSteelers

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 02:18 PM
My dream is to have Bobby V. actually fired on the field. With one of those big hooks.
He is to the Red Sox as Ray Handley was to the Giants.
But fret not, its only a one year break from our current dynasty.
But Ray Handley was actually a decent human being.

My dream is that Bobby Valentine coaches them till our core once again retires. lol

Doesn't your team need to make the playoffs once in awhile to continue your make believe dynasty? Missing 3 years in a row...OUCH!!!

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 02:20 PM
If a penalty was called on that KP hit I think I would of thrown the remote at my tv. Holmes was laid out on a legal hit as well in the JetsvsSteelers

dude, i literally have no idea what im watching anymore....i just love the hits regardless of whether there's a flag or not. the rules allow for big plays to happen. so if you can break up a 40 yard play, and get penalized 10....whatever.
KP's saving grace to his sometimes poor reaction discipline is that he's a ****ing truck for a guy his size.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 02:27 PM
I can't even make fun of the red sox properly....I havent watched baseball more than like 1 game a week. I'm never home for them.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 02:29 PM
Id bet the chances of making eli fumble on that play are about on par with blocking a gw fg. why don't teams just let the kicker do his thing? I've always wondered why defenses didn't go harder and now theres finally a guy that will do it. its called playing the percentages, good for schiano

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Id bet the chances of making eli fumble on that play are about on par with blocking a gw fg. why don't teams just let the kicker do his thing? I've always wondered why defenses didn't go harder and now theres finally a guy that will do it. its called playing the percentages, good for schiano
Didn't you hear? Its simply "not done".
You are expected to lay down when the team ahead on the scoreboard informs you that they have won, or get an earful from a HC who's team wasn't prepared for it.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 02:43 PM
Today, Merrill Hoge said that he's been watching and playing football for 40 years, and that you just dont see it happen. It doesn't happen. It's bad sportsmanship.
Yes, it IS an unwritten rule.....

I'd be all for it...as long as defensive players are allowed to go helmet to helmet, crush defenseless receivers, "rough" the passers, and well....basically do what a defender is supposed to do. shoot to kill.
If we're going to start ignoring knee plays....then i say **** player safety; I want blood on every play, or youre done in this league.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 02:44 PM
Didn't you hear? Its simply "not done".
You are expected to lay down when the team ahead on the scoreboard informs you that they have won, or get an earful from a HC who's team wasn't prepared for it.So why are Buc players saying "sorry" and "Coach told us to do it"

And theres a BIG difference between a field goal and taking a knee.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 03:13 PM
Today, Merrill Hoge said that he's been watching and playing football for 40 years, and that you just dont see it happen. It doesn't happen. It's bad sportsmanship.
Yes, it IS an unwritten rule.....

I'd be all for it...as long as defensive players are allowed to go helmet to helmet, crush defenseless receivers, "rough" the passers, and well....basically do what a defender is supposed to do. shoot to kill.
If we're going to start ignoring knee plays....then i say **** player safety; I want blood on every play, or youre done in this league.

Ron Jaworski, Antonio Pierce, Mike Ditka and Mike Golic thought it was fine.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 03:22 PM
Ron Jaworski, Antonio Pierce, Mike Ditka and Mike Golic thought it was fine.lol mh if youre going by coaches and former players how about the BUCS themselves, that apologized and said" coach told us to do it".


You lost this one. I agree, play 10000000% every play but when a qb takes a knee, Thats game. Bucs had 59 mins to make a play.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 03:33 PM
So why are Buc players saying "sorry" and "Coach told us to do it"

And theres a BIG difference between a field goal and taking a knee.
Maybe the HC would like to teach those apologizing players that they are expected to play hard on every play.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 03:42 PM
Ron Jaworski, Antonio Pierce, Mike Ditka and Mike Golic thought it was fine.

Golic and Jaworski are eagles...

Pierce is a LB....

Ditka lost his marbles about 5 years ago...

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 03:49 PM
Golic and Jaworski are eagles...

Pierce is a LB....

Ditka lost his marbles about 5 years ago...
But Hoge is the expert because he agrees with you....I get it.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 03:49 PM
i think that if the players themselves apologized.....that's the end of the argument. sounds like Schiano already lost his team if they know they did something they normally arent supposed to

LAWYERED!!!!

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 03:58 PM
But Hoge is the expert because he agrees with you....I get it.

coincidence that hes the only offensive player of all those guys?

Ditka was a TE....but literally i have no idea what he's saying half the time, so I just assume he's already approaching alzheimers or dementia

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 04:00 PM
Its pretty sad that Eli threw for friggin 500 yards and the only thing the media can talk about is the last play.

JPizzack
09-17-2012, 04:05 PM
Its pretty sad that Eli threw for friggin 500 yards and the only thing the media can talk about is the last play.

How about this other cool fact:

Never before in NFL history have 2 players on the same team each had at least 10 receptions, and at least 175 yards receiving, in one game.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 04:23 PM
MH, go look at the redskins vsstlou game and the sanfran vs lions game. NO ONE touches each other in the redskin game. NOT ONE! Its an unspoken rule. Just saw the replay again and they go right for the giants legs, hard. TC has every right to say its bushleague and be outraged and so should you. We have no more linemen.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 04:25 PM
How about this other cool fact:

Never before in NFL history have 2 players on the same team each had at least 10 receptions, and at least 175 yards receiving, in one game.thats pretty disgusting. i love our wrs.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 04:57 PM
MH, go look at the redskins vsstlou game and the sanfran vs lions game. NO ONE touches each other in the redskin game. NOT ONE! Its an unspoken rule. Just saw the replay again and they go right for the giants legs, hard. TC has every right to say its bushleague and be outraged and so should you. We have no more linemen.
Its not about going after legs to me. If guys do that and are trying to hurt guys, I have a huge problem with that. And I promise that just a few seconds after the play, TC didn't know what tactics they used. All he was responding to was that he call a kneel down play and they are always uneventful. This time his guy was on his *** and he took exception to it because in his mind thats not supposed to happen. But thats BS! A team has a right and obligation to try to stop a play that will end the game in their defeat. In this case, they have a right and obligation to try to hit Eli before he has a chance to kneel down and try to get the ball out. And they did knock him down. I'm not sure if he even got his knee down. It was too hard to tell. He could have definitely fumbled going down. It was a good play.
I wish we had tried that with Romo last week. Its not bush. Its not unsportsmanlike. At least not the basic notion of trying to stop a kneel down play and get the football.
You can argue about the tactics, but the basic premise to me is go make the play and keep the game alive.
I'm fine with that. And none of TC's false outrage will change it.

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 06:14 PM
Its not about going after legs to me. If guys do that and are trying to hurt guys, I have a huge problem with that. And I promise that just a few seconds after the play, TC didn't know what tactics they used. All he was responding to was that he call a kneel down play and they are always uneventful. This time his guy was on his *** and he took exception to it because in his mind thats not supposed to happen. But thats BS! A team has a right and obligation to try to stop a play that will end the game in their defeat. In this case, they have a right and obligation to try to hit Eli before he has a chance to kneel down and try to get the ball out. And they did knock him down. I'm not sure if he even got his knee down. It was too hard to tell. He could have definitely fumbled going down. It was a good play.
I wish we had tried that with Romo last week. Its not bush. Its not unsportsmanlike. At least not the basic notion of trying to stop a kneel down play and get the football.
You can argue about the tactics, but the basic premise to me is go make the play and keep the game alive.
I'm fine with that. And none of TC's false outrage will change it.Come on man, hes looking right at the line, he can see the bucs were going low. He even mentioned the oline in his pressconference right after the game. He didnt know if all his" linemen made it into the locker room. " It was a stupid call by a rookie coach

dezzzR
09-17-2012, 07:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifE6XkqMX9g

I honestly havnt laughed so hard in a while.

Morehead State
09-17-2012, 07:16 PM
Come on man, hes looking right at the line, he can see the bucs were going low. He even mentioned the oline in his pressconference right after the game. He didnt know if all his" linemen made it into the locker room. " It was a stupid call by a rookie coach
Your opinion would be different if we pressured Romo last week and created a fumble.
I hate the kneel down play. Its a wasted play. Just like kick offs out of the end zone. A waist of time.

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 09:21 AM
Your opinion would be different if we pressured Romo last week and created a fumble.
I hate the kneel down play. Its a wasted play. Just like kick offs out of the end zone. A waist of time.

the best argument to support your side of the argument is the fake kneel down that happened....

that said Eli was interviewed and said that it is a known thing, it's something QB's and defenses do, the QB will walk up to the line and tell them that they are kneeling.

what Tampa Bay should have done was told them that they aren't backing down or something...I mean Eli is going out of his way to inform them that they aren't running a play (as all QB's do) the least Tampa bay could have done was respond letting Eli know that they are so they can be ready for it, just for safeties sake.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 09:39 AM
the best argument to support your side of the argument is the fake kneel down that happened....

that said Eli was interviewed and said that it is a known thing, it's something QB's and defenses do, the QB will walk up to the line and tell them that they are kneeling.

what Tampa Bay should have done was told them that they aren't backing down or something...I mean Eli is going out of his way to inform them that they aren't running a play (as all QB's do) the least Tampa bay could have done was respond letting Eli know that they are so they can be ready for it, just for safeties sake.

This is an argument I don't understand. In your scenario the offense walks up to the defense and tells them that
"we've decided that you lost so don't do anything to try to make a play" And then somehow its your view that the defense is somehow obligated to explain to the offense what their intent is.
I say thats nuts! The defense made it absolutely clear what their intentions were when they lined up. Eli didn't notice and "assumed" they were quitting on the game. Thats completely on him. They made it clear they were coming and Eli didn't see what we all saw as they were lining up.
Now who's to blame for that?

And then for TC and Eli to whine about the fact that the Bucs didn't quit when "they" instructed them to is also rediculous.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 10:13 AM
This is an argument I don't understand. In your scenario the offense walks up to the defense and tells them that
"we've decided that you lost so don't do anything to try to make a play" And then somehow its your view that the defense is somehow obligated to explain to the offense what their intent is.
I say thats nuts! The defense made it absolutely clear what their intentions were when they lined up. Eli didn't notice and "assumed" they were quitting on the game. Thats completely on him. They made it clear they were coming and Eli didn't see what we all saw as they were lining up.
Now who's to blame for that?

And then for TC and Eli to whine about the fact that the Bucs didn't quit when "they" instructed them to is also rediculous.The Giants decided the Bucs lost in the previous 59:55.

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 10:13 AM
This is an argument I don't understand. In your scenario the offense walks up to the defense and tells them that
"we've decided that you lost so don't do anything to try to make a play" And then somehow its your view that the defense is somehow obligated to explain to the offense what their intent is.
I say thats nuts! The defense made it absolutely clear what their intentions were when they lined up. Eli didn't notice and "assumed" they were quitting on the game. Thats completely on him. They made it clear they were coming and Eli didn't see what we all saw as they were lining up.
Now who's to blame for that?

And then for TC and Eli to whine about the fact that the Bucs didn't quit when "they" instructed them to is also rediculous.

Actually you are wrong, Eli said he did notice but there was nothing he could do about it at that point, the play was called they were not going to "fire off" the defense decided to do so knowing that to be the case...it simple is an unwritten rule, everyone knows it...you can refuse to "believe" that Morehead...but that doesn't change the fact that it "is" the case.

(and it's ridiculous not rediculous)

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 10:19 AM
Actually you are wrong, Eli said he did notice but there was nothing he could do about it at that point, the play was called they were not going to "fire off" the defense decided to do so knowing that to be the case...it simple is an unwritten rule, everyone knows it...you can refuse to "believe" that Morehead...but that doesn't change the fact that it "is" the case.

(and it's ridiculous not rediculous)
You are telling me that a QB can't call protection at the line? When did that happen?
TC and Eli got caught with their pants down and their false outrage is just an attempt to cover that up. This whining about other teams not quitting when they are supposed to is embarrassing.


And its.......B L O W M E. (I think that's the correct spelling)

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 10:27 AM
You are telling me that a QB can't call protection at the line? When did that happen?
TC and Eli got caught with their pants down and their false outrage is just an attempt to cover that up. This whining about other teams not quitting when they are supposed to is embarrassing.


And its.......B L O W M E. (I think that's the correct spelling)

I'm just saying that's what Eli said Morehead, he was on the radio here in NY for his weekly spot on the Michael Kay show (I believe) and I heard the interview while sitting in traffic, he simple said there was nothing he could do at that point....I figure since he's a H.O.F. QB by now he has enough understanding of the game that if there was something to be done he would have done it, perhaps something about the victory formation and the play call makes it impossible? I don't know what to tell you....he said..."there was nothing I could do about it at that point"

he didn't say it in a whining fashion he just said it matter of factly...said that he told them it was a kneel....he didn't outright say they did a bad thing but you could tell he thought they did.

and I agree with him.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 11:01 AM
I'm just saying that's what Eli said Morehead, he was on the radio here in NY for his weekly spot on the Michael Kay show (I believe) and I heard the interview while sitting in traffic, he simple said there was nothing he could do at that point....I figure since he's a H.O.F. QB by now he has enough understanding of the game that if there was something to be done he would have done it, perhaps something about the victory formation and the play call makes it impossible? I don't know what to tell you....he said..."there was nothing I could do about it at that point"

he didn't say it in a whining fashion he just said it matter of factly...said that he told them it was a kneel....he didn't outright say they did a bad thing but you could tell he thought they did.

and I agree with him.

He's covering his *** because he got caught with his pants down and got knocked on his *** as a product. Love the young man but he and TC are on a whine fest to cover their own errors.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 11:13 AM
You are telling me that a QB can't call protection at the line? When did that happen?
TC and Eli got caught with their pants down and their false outrage is just an attempt to cover that up. This whining about other teams not quitting when they are supposed to is embarrassing.


And its.......B L O W M E. (I think that's the correct spelling)


WTF is false outrage?? Different opinion = wrong...i forgot.

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 11:17 AM
He's covering his *** because he got caught with his pants down and got knocked on his *** as a product. Love the young man but he and TC are on a whine fest to cover their own errors.

Yeah I just don't agree with you, I don't think this is a whine fest, I think all the evidence points to Shiano asking his team to do something that almost everyone in the NFL (including the players that did it) consider a low blow, or "bush league" perhaps.

TC was angry about it.
Eli is saying there was nothing he could do.
Schiano's players are apologizing.

is the media making a bigger deal out of it then it is...Of Course....that's what they do.

but was it a bad move on Schiano's part...yes, it was.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 11:18 AM
He's covering his *** because he got caught with his pants down and got knocked on his *** as a product. Love the young man but he and TC are on a whine fest to cover their own errors.

It doesn't matter if it was an error....they have nothing to "cover"...we won the ****ing game, as a result of Eli's 4th quarter prowess. When have you ever heard Eli make excuses for anything? The reason it's still being talked about, is because it was a terrible decision by Schiano. And Tampa's standup D-line fessed up to it, said they are sorry, that it wasnt their call.

What you are suggesting supporting that a defense go for the FF with 5 seconds on the clock, is like you wanna start a football revolution. You want to change the game. good luck...FAN!

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 11:18 AM
WTF is false outrage?? Different opinion = wrong...i forgot.

False outrage is when you are ashamed of something a react in anger or [outrage] because you don't want to admit fault.

that said this outrage was genuine in my humble opinion.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 11:21 AM
You are telling me that a QB can't call protection at the line? When did that happen?
TC and Eli got caught with their pants down and their false outrage is just an attempt to cover that up. This whining about other teams not quitting when they are supposed to is embarrassing.


And its.......B L O W M E. (I think that's the correct spelling)Thats MY job Daven. lmao

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 11:24 AM
False outrage is when you are ashamed of something a react in anger or [outrage] because you don't want to admit fault.

that said this outrage was genuine in my humble opinion.

If you've been coaching as long as Coughlin, and have never seen a defense do that......yea, youre going to flip out on who did it. 100% reasonable reaction.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 11:30 AM
If you've been coaching as long as Coughlin, and have never seen a defense do that......yea, youre going to flip out on who did it. 100% reasonable reaction.
Whining and complaining about the "mean old other team" may be OK in your world. Its not in mine.
TC and Eli were unprepared for a team actually playing a play hard and his "anger" was motivated by his own embarrassment.
I like TC, but he was less than himself there.
Spin it and rationalize it any way that makes you happy. But I expect more from my HC.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 11:31 AM
I just think MH's flat out wrong. And your over reaction is fueling that, if that makes any sense. Bucs players admitted it was wrong by apologizing. Anyway you want to look at it, Bucs players still went for the knees and hard. Thats cheap. Thats why our players jumped on them. And theres no other way to cause a fumble, other than the qb dropping the snap. Its a 1 and million chance of it happening. Its not worth players getting injured.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 11:35 AM
Whining and complaining about the "mean old other team" may be OK in your world. Its not in mine.
TC and Eli were unprepared for a team actually playing a play hard and his "anger" was motivated by his own embarrassment.
I like TC, but he was less than himself there.
Spin it and rationalize it any way that makes you happy. But I expect more from my HC.Whos whining??? TC had a problem and went right in his face. Thats addressing a problem imo. then the media asked him and Eli about it, gave their opinion and thats it. Why are you over reacting over something so minor?

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 11:37 AM
I just think MH's flat out wrong. And your over reaction is fueling that, if that makes any sense. Bucs players admitted it was wrong by apologizing. Anyway you want to look at it, Bucs players still went for the knees and hard. Thats cheap. Thats why our players jumped on them. And theres no other way to cause a fumble, other than the qb dropping the snap. Its a 1 and million chance of it happening. Its not worth players getting injured.
So some 25 year old pampered athletes who can barely talk get to set the standard?
I'm surprised how soft you, Scrappy and Pizz are on this. They were playing hard on the last play, we saw them lining up aggressively and failed to protect the play properly. Thats on us. For TC to whine about the other team not accepting defeat when we "told them to" is stupid.
"**** you old man..we're going to play hard and try to take the ball from you so your better protect that ball" ....... Thats what I like. I wish we had done that with Romo the week before.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 11:39 AM
Whining and complaining about the "mean old other team" may be OK in your world. Its not in mine.
TC and Eli were unprepared for a team actually playing a play hard and his "anger" was motivated by his own embarrassment.
I like TC, but he was less than himself there.
Spin it and rationalize it any way that makes you happy. But I expect more from my HC.Actually thats exactly what I expect from TC, to protect his players.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 11:45 AM
Actually thats exactly what I expect from TC, to protect his players.
You protect players by playing hard on every player. You protect player by coaching them to block up a play when it is clear that the defense in coming after them.
Whining after the fact doesn't protect anyone.
I would submit that his position of "assuming the opponent isn't going to play it out" ENDANGERS his players.

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 11:47 AM
So some 25 year old pampered athletes who can barely talk get to set the standard?
I'm surprised how soft you, Scrappy and Pizz are on this. They were playing hard on the last play, we saw them lining up aggressively and failed to protect the play properly. Thats on us. For TC to whine about the other team not accepting defeat when we "told them to" is stupid.
"**** you old man..we're going to play hard and try to take the ball from you so your better protect that ball" ....... Thats what I like. I wish we had done that with Romo the week before.

I'm not being soft, if the accepted practice was that you play hard with 20 seconds left on the clock and go for the ball...if that was the norm I'd say no problem, but you and I both know that is not the case.

also I don't think there is any punishment due here...what they did was within the "rules"

it was just classless...

I guess to bring up a comparison, If I was bowling and threw a 290, my opponent was up there in the 10th frame...nothing bars me from screaming nani nani poo poo at the top of my lungs from behind the approach as he goes for the 300 and the win....

but if I did that I would look like an *******, a sore loser and just over all classless, that's what Schiano looks like right now.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 11:49 AM
I'm not being soft, if the accepted practice was that you play hard with 20 seconds left on the clock and go for the ball...if that was the norm I'd say no problem, but you and I both know that is not the case.

also I don't think there is any punishment due here...what they did was within the "rules"

it was just classless...
In what universe is it "classless" to try hard on a play and make it clear that you are playing hard?
Now you sound like a Democrat.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 11:53 AM
Whining and complaining about the "mean old other team" may be OK in your world. Its not in mine.
TC and Eli were unprepared for a team actually playing a play hard and his "anger" was motivated by his own embarrassment.
I like TC, but he was less than himself there.
Spin it and rationalize it any way that makes you happy. But I expect more from my HC.

Whatever man....Schiano is the embarassed one. 70% of the fanbase is against what he did....his own players are.....AND they lost the game. But yea....we should totally be embarassed >.<

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 12:00 PM
Whatever man....Schiano is the embarassed one. 70% of the fanbase is against what he did....his own players are.....AND they lost the game. But yea....we should totally be embarassed >.<
Oh...I see. Public opinion polls confirm it. Very lame Pizz!
I don't give a **** what public opinion polls show. I care about our team being ready to block up a play when the opponents are clearly coming after us. And then not whining about it after, because they had every right to try to take the ball from Eli.
You guys put whatever spin you want. I was embarrassed by TC's lame whining.
What he should have said is ...."It was clear that they were going to go after the ball, and we weren't ready for that. And thats no one's fault but ours"

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 12:08 PM
In what universe is it "classless" to try hard on a play and make it clear that you are playing hard?
Now you sound like a Democrat.Going for players knees on a qb kneel is pretty classless.

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Well, Mh is in good company, Skip Bayless agrees with him.......

MattMeyerBud
09-18-2012, 12:26 PM
Oh...I see. Public opinion polls confirm it. Very lame Pizz!
I don't give a **** what public opinion polls show. I care about our team being ready to block up a play when the opponents are clearly coming after us. And then not whining about it after, because they had every right to try to take the ball from Eli.
You guys put whatever spin you want. I was embarrassed by TC's lame whining.
What he should have said is ...."It was clear that they were going to go after the ball, and we weren't ready for that. And thats no one's fault but ours"

im impressed with your davening skills which leaked onto facebook

good on you sir

MattMeyerBud
09-18-2012, 12:31 PM
I'm not being soft, if the accepted practice was that you play hard with 20 seconds left on the clock and go for the ball...if that was the norm I'd say no problem, but you and I both know that is not the case.

also I don't think there is any punishment due here...what they did was within the "rules"

it was just classless...

I guess to bring up a comparison, If I was bowling and threw a 290, my opponent was up there in the 10th frame...nothing bars me from screaming nani nani poo poo at the top of my lungs from behind the approach as he goes for the 300 and the win....

but if I did that I would look like an *******, a sore loser and just over all classless, that's what Schiano looks like right now.

he even Daven'd Daven

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44724000/jpg/_44724277_crowd416.jpg

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=Morehead State]So some 25 year old pampered athletes who can barely talk get to set the standard?
QUOTE]

But a fan can? oooooooooooooooooooooooooooook

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 01:00 PM
"I said what I said and I believe it to be accurate with regard to the number of years the Iv been in this league. Iv said my piece about it." Coughlin

Good enough for me

MattMeyerBud
09-18-2012, 01:02 PM
I can't believe you guys are biting on mooreheads bait so hard. This is the same guy who cries player safety to the point where the game completely changes. It's the same guy who is all for ANY type of low contact on a QB should be flagged.

Again, my hat is off to you old man, great job today

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 01:08 PM
I can't believe you guys are biting on mooreheads bait so hard. This is the same guy who cries player safety to the point where the game completely changes. It's the same guy who is all for ANY type of low contact on a QB should be flagged.

Again, my hat is off to you old man, great job today

lol, I dont believe i've ever discussed that topic with MH....but even so, I like arguing on ocassion, so its fine. lol

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 01:26 PM
I thought he was trolling at first, but I dont think he is now. I wish we can sit in a circle and all agree how magical Eli is, but that would be no fun.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 01:32 PM
I thought he was trolling at first, but I dont think he is now. I wish we can sit in a circle and all agree how magical Eli is, but that would be no fun.

lol, basically.....it's more fun to argue than to circlejerk, youre right

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 01:42 PM
Yeah I think Matt's right, I think he is Davening :P you would think I'd be able to catch this by now....MH is the only guy who really gets me on these lol.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 02:29 PM
Yeah I think Matt's right, I think he is Davening :P you would think I'd be able to catch this by now....MH is the only guy who really gets me on these lol.

Who started the conversation....that would help me decide what his intentions were. lol

I also would assume he's trolling simply by the fact that he hasnt said a word since Matt started posting about it hahaha

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 02:30 PM
Who started the conversation....that would help me decide what his intentions were. lol

I also would assume he's trolling simply by the fact that he hasnt said a word since Matt started posting about it hahahaMH

"BTW..TC was WAY off base on his whining about that last play. How cvamn you complain about a team who plays hard on every play?
Frankly I'm friggin sick of NFL teams just standing around and letting a QB take a knee. Try to force him to fumble as far as I'm concerned.
When did TC get so soft. Our O got caught with their pants down and he was whining about it. "

dezzzR
09-18-2012, 02:45 PM
guess who back
http://itsabout.server304.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Pettitte-stare.jpg

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 02:52 PM
MH

"BTW..TC was WAY off base on his whining about that last play. How cvamn you complain about a team who plays hard on every play?
Frankly I'm friggin sick of NFL teams just standing around and letting a QB take a knee. Try to force him to fumble as far as I'm concerned.
When did TC get so soft. Our O got caught with their pants down and he was whining about it. "

YUP! This is MH :

http://media.desura.com/cache/images/members/1/393/392106/thumb_940x3000/Personal_Trollface_HD.png

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:08 PM
lol, I dont believe i've ever discussed that topic with MH....but even so, I like arguing on ocassion, so its fine. lol
I actually don't ever remember making any of the points you are attributing to me.
You must be thinking of someone else.
I hate all this soft nonsense.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:10 PM
I can't believe you guys are biting on mooreheads bait so hard. This is the same guy who cries player safety to the point where the game completely changes. It's the same guy who is all for ANY type of low contact on a QB should be flagged.

Again, my hat is off to you old man, great job today
I'm very dissappointed and surprised that after all your bluster about the bounties, you are siding with the ***** side of this argument here.

MattMeyerBud
09-18-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm very dissappointed and surprised that after all your bluster about the bounties, you are siding with the ***** side of this argument here.
I never said cheap shots were okay, I just take issue with what is considered a cheap shot nowadays. In any time, just blatantly diving at somebody's knee was always a dirty move. A one in a billion chance that it might of changed the outcome is a garbage answer. How do YOU make the arguments for player safety and then say this bull**** sore loser move is acceptable?

Answer is: you don't. And I applaud your Trolling today good sir

MattMeyerBud
09-18-2012, 03:17 PM
I actually don't ever remember making any of the points you are attributing to me.
You must be thinking of someone else.
I hate all this soft nonsense.

Lol u are full of ****. And I love it. I don't have the time as Daven doesn't have the passion anymore. Save thee thread pappy, your our only hope

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:27 PM
I never said cheap shots were okay, I just take issue with what is considered a cheap shot nowadays. In any time, just blatantly diving at somebody's knee was always a dirty move. A one in a billion chance that it might of changed the outcome is a garbage answer. How do YOU make the arguments for player safety and then say this bull**** sore loser move is acceptable?

Answer is: you don't. And I applaud your Trolling today good sir
I'm not talking about "cheap shots". I'm talking about trying to knock the QB down before he has a chance to take a knee with the hope of dislodging the football. And/or forcing him to rush the play and possibly bobbling the snap.
That just seems like good football.
I guess you're happy when we stand around and watch Romo take 3 knees unchallenged, dispite his history of fumble snaps under pressure.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:29 PM
Lol u are full of ****. And I love it. I don't have the time as Daven doesn't have the passion anymore. Save thee thread pappy, your our only hope
Maybe you can refresh my memory, I have never said that a team should stop playing hard.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 03:34 PM
I just had a really funny debate with a friend of mine. lol

She said she just read an article about how there is less than 15 mins of actual action in football. and how "man and ppl say baseball is bad".

So I said, let me use math to show you how ****ing boring baseball is.

IF you consider "Action" the following:
-the release of a pitch, all the way to hitting a catcher's glove (not even a full second)
-pickoff moves/throwovers
-watching a fielder wait for a popped up ball fall to their location

Then baseball is JUST BARELY 15 minutes of action.
And that's with me being generous to how many actual hits there are per game, and how many pitches are thrown by each team.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:41 PM
I just had a really funny debate with a friend of mine. lol

She said she just read an article about how there is less than 15 mins of actual action in football. and how "man and ppl say baseball is bad".

So I said, let me use math to show you how ****ing boring baseball is.

IF you consider "Action" the following:
-the release of a pitch, all the way to hitting a catcher's glove (not even a full second)
-pickoff moves/throwovers
-watching a fielder wait for a popped up ball fall to their location

Then baseball is JUST BARELY 15 minutes of action.
And that's with me being generous to how many actual hits there are per game, and how many pitches are thrown by each team.
You have just described life itself.

All sports is about anticipating and savoring the moments.

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 03:45 PM
You have just described life itself.

All sports is about anticipating and savoring the moments.

It's true....except although baseball is my 2nd favorite sport....it's the last on my list of sports i can sit thru while watching television.

Morehead State
09-18-2012, 03:51 PM
It's true....except although baseball is my 2nd favorite sport....it's the last on my list of sports i can sit thru while watching television.
Actually I have a tougher time watching basketball. Each play has such little consequence.
My order for TV watching is:

1.Football
2. Golf (thats right ....golf)
3. Baseball
4. Hockey
5. Basketball

DavenIII
09-18-2012, 04:06 PM
1) Football
2) Bowling (yeah for obvious reasons)
3) Nascar
4) Basketball
5) Baseball

JPizzack
09-18-2012, 04:10 PM
1) Football
2) Hockey
3) Soccer
4) Basketball
5) Baseball

Golf and Nascar arent even on my radar as i dont consider them sports.

However, I do enjoy Rally driving, though it's rare to find a real race on television ever.

MattMeyerBud
09-19-2012, 09:36 AM
1. Football
2. Basketball
3. Suicide

JPizzack
09-19-2012, 10:09 AM
dicey, Matt...lol

JPizzack
09-19-2012, 10:13 AM
By the way...are we doing the normal 8am tailgate? Meeting at the spot prior, or what?

Also, every man for himself food, or is someone else arranging that and collecting $ ? I feel awkward when Amanda, Matt, and Kase do alot of the food work, knowing all i do is pay them for it...lol....but it's worked so well.
Anyone talk about this yet?

MattMeyerBud
09-19-2012, 12:03 PM
By the way...are we doing the normal 8am tailgate? Meeting at the spot prior, or what?

Also, every man for himself food, or is someone else arranging that and collecting $ ? I feel awkward when Amanda, Matt, and Kase do alot of the food work, knowing all i do is pay them for it...lol....but it's worked so well.
Anyone talk about this yet?

amanda and kase love cooking

we enjoy eating

why break tradition?

JPizzack
09-19-2012, 12:38 PM
amanda and kase love cooking

we enjoy eating

why break tradition?

haha, yes I agree....but I'd feel uncomfortable just assuming that!

Is that the game plan? If so, Brese and I will come with 20s in tow. lol

bigblue4417
09-19-2012, 08:53 PM
WE NEED PARKING PASSES!!!

JPizzack
09-20-2012, 08:24 AM
WE NEED PARKING PASSES!!!

I have one for my car. Though, it's a printout, not one of the tags. I'm not used to that, but whatever...

byron
09-20-2012, 08:31 AM
I have one for my car. Though, it's a printout, not one of the tags. I'm not used to that, but whatever... we had print outs for tickets last time I came down.....

talk to landon last night after he posted here....he picked up three parking passes.....

Morehead State
09-20-2012, 08:54 AM
Do you know that the Giants are 6-0 in games where Hakeem Nicks doesn't play?

JPizzack
09-20-2012, 09:18 AM
Do you know that the Giants are 6-0 in games where Hakeem Nicks doesn't play?

That's an interesting stat. Thins us out this week with Nicks AND Hix out.

JPizzack
09-20-2012, 09:19 AM
we had print outs for tickets last time I came down.....

talk to landon last night after he posted here....he picked up three parking passes.....

oh damn. how many ppl are driving? lol

Does that mean Daven isn't going to try to squeeze into my car this time? lol

MattMeyerBud
09-20-2012, 09:37 AM
oh damn. how many ppl are driving? lol

Does that mean Daven isn't going to try to squeeze into my car this time? lol

i got room in my glove compartment, hes good

(that joke works every year)

JPizzack
09-20-2012, 09:41 AM
i got room in my glove compartment, hes good

(that joke works every year)

that, and i like the alligator arms references.

Morehead State
09-20-2012, 09:45 AM
oh damn. how many ppl are driving? lol

Does that mean Daven isn't going to try to squeeze into my car this time? lol
More cars the better...we can have a bigger space to tailgate.

DavenIII
09-20-2012, 09:53 AM
These alligator/T-rex arms of mine won me a bet against MMB so that makes it all worth it :)

Morehead State
09-20-2012, 09:57 AM
These alligator/T-rex arms of mine won me a bet against MMB so that makes it all worth it :)
Masterbation must be a challenge.

DavenIII
09-20-2012, 10:04 AM
Masterbation must be a challenge.

luckily that's normally something I don't have to worry about :)