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Morehead State
09-27-2012, 04:25 PM
oh snap! did it have a stale date? like 90 days or something?
No nothing. That was the first question she asked.
What was amazing is that she was unphased by the wait. What 32 year olds have such a casual attitude about thousands of dollars.
Oh yeah....My Daughter. I was freaking with guilt.

It was..."Oh yeah Dad, just deposit it in my account when you get a chance...thanks a lot for taking care of that"

JPizzack
09-27-2012, 04:45 PM
No nothing. That was the first question she asked.
What was amazing is that she was unphased by the wait. What 32 year olds have such a casual attitude about thousands of dollars.
Oh yeah....My Daughter. I was freaking with guilt.

It was..."Oh yeah Dad, just deposit it in my account when you get a chance...thanks a lot for taking care of that"

lol did she even know anythign about it?? what was it? a refund?

Morehead State
09-27-2012, 05:09 PM
lol did she even know anythign about it?? what was it? a refund?
Some kind of refund from her loan. Yes she knew but forgot. Funny thing is that she graduated in May of 09. Been a while.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 09:33 AM
got to work and im signing on all our systems, and got the same error message as yesterday when we were offline for 6 hours....I'm like YOUVE GOT TO BE ****ING KIDDING ME!!!

But then 5 mins later everything worked. lol

Morehead State
09-28-2012, 11:29 AM
I make picks for my friend in his NFL pool. Here's an email from yesterday afternoon. Morehead is awesome! Lets face it and move on.




I like the Browns to keep it close. Balt. playing Sunday night and a poss. let down after the close win.
Balt 23, Cleveland 16

reverbnation.com/yummytheunderdog


Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:46:52 -0400
Subject: RE: Week 4 LINES
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: cazaman15@hotmail.com

Thanks...I believe Balt is Home...does that change your thinking?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Caz Aman <cazaman15@hotmail.com> wrote:

Confident this week.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 11:40 AM
lol, good guess

Morehead State
09-28-2012, 11:43 AM
lol, good guess
Morehead is at one with the football universe.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 11:46 AM
I love this gif....
Peter Dinklage is awesome

http://i.imgur.com/6kKWe.jpg

Morehead State
09-28-2012, 11:58 AM
Roger Goodell just sent me an email. I wonder if he has me on speed dial too.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 12:01 PM
Roger Goodell just sent me an email. I wonder if he has me on speed dial too.

Have you ever sent anything to the NFL website? I got one too, but i cant open it while at work. I'll look on my phone later.

Morehead State
09-28-2012, 12:21 PM
Have you ever sent anything to the NFL website? I got one too, but i cant open it while at work. I'll look on my phone later.
It was nice that he complimented me on my 3-0 start in FF.

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 12:21 PM
Juuust got my gmen hat with the strahan stomp on the side. Freeeeeshhhhhhnesssssss

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 12:38 PM
Juuust got my gmen hat with the strahan stomp on the side. Freeeeeshhhhhhnesssssss

lol nice...i ordered some random Gmen stuff a few weeks back.
I got a Mitchell & Ness fitted hat, with the 80s lettering GIANTS....i also bought a Giants santa hat lmao. idk why...it was $10, so why not! for $3 i got 2 "Big Blue" wrist band thingies.
Think that's it.

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 12:48 PM
lol nice...i ordered some random Gmen stuff a few weeks back.
I got a Mitchell & Ness fitted hat, with the 80s lettering GIANTS....i also bought a Giants santa hat lmao. idk why...it was $10, so why not! for $3 i got 2 "Big Blue" wrist band thingies.
Think that's it.Yea id like an old school looking giants hat as well. Im thinking about getting the matching gmen hoodie now, but its 55 bucks. mhhhhh.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 12:52 PM
Yea id like an old school looking giants hat as well. Im thinking about getting the matching gmen hoodie now, but its 55 bucks. mhhhhh.

You got a link for that? I dont really know what youre referring to.

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 12:55 PM
You got a link for that? I dont really know what youre referring to.
http://www.gmen.com/Original-GMEN-Ultra-Cotton-Tee-Shirt-P1C1.aspx

To be honest the snap backs look a bit better than the fitted

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 01:35 PM
lol...sooooo that site comes up blocked at work, quoting "adult & pornography" lmao

guess i'll have to check it out at home. haha

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 01:56 PM
lol...sooooo that site comes up blocked at work, quoting "adult & pornography" lmao

guess i'll have to check it out at home. hahalol Yea Stra has a nudie pic on the opening page.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 02:00 PM
lol Yea Stra has a nudie pic on the opening page.

--___--

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 02:02 PM
--___--The stomp is actually Osi taking a Giant shat.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 02:10 PM
The stomp is actually Osi taking a Giant shat.

is that why you visit the site so often

btw....i forgot that we used to say "Osi" instead of "****".......im bringing it back, because that Osi was hilarious while it lasted ;)

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 02:15 PM
the lounge.....lol

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 02:19 PM
Hakeem Nicks is DOUBTFUL for Sunday blaaaah

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 02:31 PM
Hakeem Nicks is DOUBTFUL for Sunday blaaaah

ugh! you gotta be kidding me!! Aside from the fact that the combinations of WRs makes our offense potent, im heavily invested in Nicks in fatnasy this year. 3 teams i have him!! lol

Hasn't he practiced the last few days? what gives?

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 02:43 PM
ugh! you gotta be kidding me!! Aside from the fact that the combinations of WRs makes our offense potent, im heavily invested in Nicks in fatnasy this year. 3 teams i have him!! lol

Hasn't he practiced the last few days? what gives?Theyre saying his foots bothering him and his knee is starting to swell.

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 02:47 PM
Theyre saying his foots bothering him and his knee is starting to swell.

turrrble.

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 03:13 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/baby-keg-stand-arizona-state-asu-photo_n_1921081.html?1348847475

JPizzack
09-28-2012, 03:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/baby-keg-stand-arizona-state-asu-photo_n_1921081.html?1348847475

what....the......osi......

dezzzR
09-28-2012, 03:58 PM
Have a great weekend duuudes

Moke
09-28-2012, 07:45 PM
So is this a legit clique, or is it OK to post here?

Just asking, although I shouldn't need permission :P

byron
09-29-2012, 11:27 AM
So is this a legit clique, or is it OK to post here?

Just asking, although I shouldn't need permission :P welcome Moke.....I wouldn't call it a clique....most of us here have all met up at Giants stadium...we also have an FF league that we play in together...the thread go's back to 2009 when many in here met up for the first time for a draft day party in NJ....and the thread evolved for there......everybody is welcome here.....post away.....

Moke
09-29-2012, 11:30 AM
welcome Moke.....I wouldn't call it a clique....most of us here have all met up at Giants stadium...we also have an FF league that we play in together...the thread go's back to 2009 when many in here met up for the first time for a draft day party in NJ....and the thread evolved for there......everybody is welcome here.....post away.....


Ah okay, just wondering. Sounds cool

byron
09-29-2012, 11:34 AM
Ah okay, just wondering. Sounds cool forgot to mention we are all meeting up next week for the Cleveland game...I'm excited !

Moke
09-29-2012, 11:38 AM
Where do you guys meet though?

byron
09-29-2012, 11:43 AM
Where do you guys meet though? At the park we tailgate before the game this year we have eight seats together for the game most of the details will come together this week.....

Moke
09-29-2012, 11:45 AM
OH! At metlife? So you guys actually have tickets? I really wish I had the money to go. I'm still a student! Sucks.

byron
09-29-2012, 12:04 PM
OH! At metlife? So you guys actually have tickets? I really wish I had the money to go. I'm still a student! Sucks. yeah this will be my second trip to "thee Game" its the fourth year of the meet up .....this my second live Giants game ....If it weren't for this thread and the fine people in here... I may never had gone to a game....I'm very grateful to them all......Your day will come Moke ...education is an important and hopfully one day afford you all the things you want in life ....

Moke
09-29-2012, 12:20 PM
Yep, trying to. Going to school for finance after I switched from accounting.

byron
09-29-2012, 12:24 PM
Yep, trying to. Going to school for finance after I switched from accounting. cool Moke ...have a son who's in accounting and a daughter who's in banking they are both doing quite well...

byron
09-29-2012, 12:44 PM
the pups
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/422850_470283886327658_95356169_n.jpg
there's 5

Moke
09-29-2012, 01:13 PM
cool Moke ...have a son who's in accounting and a daughter who's in banking they are both doing quite well...How does your son like accounting? I couldn't take it, too boring for me.

byron
09-29-2012, 01:36 PM
How does your son like accounting? I couldn't take it, too boring for me.He does complain about that... right now he works for the State and the pace of things is slow so its more about that.... than working numbers which he likes...The pay and benefits are pretty good so I suppose till something better comes along he'll stick ..... The private sector the money is far better but can be high pressure with travel with young ones and such he doesn't anything to do with that....

Moke
09-29-2012, 01:38 PM
The only thing I hate is how boring it is. The job security is great though and thats really why I wanted to go into it.

byron
09-29-2012, 03:19 PM
In my day you collage wasn't stressed as much as it is today...many of my age group got through high school and went to work in a factory/construction or whatever there was plenty work out there... The last job I held was in a shipyard it was ok in the beginning pay was good and such but I just didn't like it ...And before I finally walked I hated it ..I was miserable...I've been self employed ever since "over 25 years now " as a building contractor...Like anything it has its pros and cons , but I like building..Bottom line I wish I had gone into it right out high school ....instead of wasting 10 years of my life doing **** I didn't like doing....find something you like to do and go for it

bigblue4417
09-30-2012, 12:45 AM
Let's hope this forecast changes...

Sun Oct 7
63
Showers
Chance of rain: 60%
Wind: NNW at 6 mph

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 09:26 AM
Let's hope this forecast changes...

Sun Oct 7
63
Showers
Chance of rain: 60%
Wind: NNW at 6 mph

****...that would suuuuck

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 09:34 AM
Let's hope this forecast changes...

Sun Oct 7
63
Showers
Chance of rain: 60%
Wind: NNW at 6 mph
I do have a 10' canopy. Even in Giants blue!

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 09:41 AM
I do have a 10' canopy. Even in Giants blue!

nice. how do you tether that when youre on blacktop though?

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 09:46 AM
nice. how do you tether that when youre on blacktop though?
Gotta used weights.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 09:51 AM
Someone may want to explain to Ramses Barden that wrapping your arms around the body and head of the defended is never NOT offensive pass interference. Did he actually do that and think it wasn't getting called?

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 10:10 AM
Someone may want to explain to Ramses Barden that wrapping your arms around the body and head of the defended is never NOT offensive pass interference. Did he actually do that and think it wasn't getting called?

god it was so terrible.....it was like he thought since Asomugha got called a few times, that he could do whatever he wanted.
WELP, back to the dog house, sir. Hixon had a good game despite his frustrating to watch first half(for me anyway).

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 10:13 AM
I also have a 10' Pop-up canopy (also Giants blue!) we will be fine :)

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 10:15 AM
Our run game looked anemic against yesterday....which is hard to stomach as usual.

They gotta give the ball to Wilson. THEY HAVE TO. A guy who is averaging 30 yards per kick off return should be on the field as much as possible.

Moke
10-01-2012, 10:16 AM
Our run game looked anemic against yesterday....which is hard to stomach as usual.

They gotta give the ball to Wilson. THEY HAVE TO. A guy who is averaging 30 yards per kick off return should be on the field as much as possible.

When is Coughlin going to trust him with the ball on offense? I really hope so soon, and i hope Wilson can live up to it. He really looks like he can go hard with the carries. He seems to take hits like they are nothing.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 10:35 AM
When is Coughlin going to trust him with the ball on offense? I really hope so soon, and i hope Wilson can live up to it. He really looks like he can go hard with the carries. He seems to take hits like they are nothing.

I'm sure he'll be fine. Coughlin needs to ease up once in awhile. Bradshaw isn't doing anything, Brown got hurt.....so give Wilson the ball.

Moke
10-01-2012, 10:40 AM
I'm sure he'll be fine. Coughlin needs to ease up once in awhile. Bradshaw isn't doing anything, Brown got hurt.....so give Wilson the ball.

Yep. I guess he's waiting a bit to see if he can fix those fumbling problems. But then again, fumbling problems = 1 fumble in Coughlin's books.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 10:45 AM
Yep. I guess he's waiting a bit to see if he can fix those fumbling problems. But then again, fumbling problems = 1 fumble in Coughlin's books.

yea.....i didnt see Bradshaw get benched in 2010, and he had 7 fumbles on the season 6 of which he lost....

So, uhh....let's switch it up, for the sake of the run game!!

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 10:52 AM
yea.....i didnt see Bradshaw get benched in 2010, and he had 7 fumbles on the season 6 of which he lost....

So, uhh....let's switch it up, for the sake of the run game!!
I thought Bradshaw ran hard last night. They are just tough to run on.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 11:07 AM
I thought Bradshaw ran hard last night. They are just tough to run on.

Ryan Williams(AZ), and Ray Rice disagree with you.

I'm just not impressed by our running game. like, every team in the NFL can average over 100 yds a game....not us though...we need a breakout game to do that...

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Someone may want to explain to Ramses Barden that wrapping your arms around the body and head of the defended is never NOT offensive pass interference. Did he actually do that and think it wasn't getting called?I think he should be cut for costing us the game with his stupidity

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 11:18 AM
I think he should be cut for costing us the game with his stupidity

red text?

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 11:23 AM
red text?No not at all. That was theee dumbest thing Iv ever seen a player do, with the game on the line. This team doesnt need that **** and we have other wrs with plenty of potential. Im sure I sound like a "the sky is falling" type of guy right now but I really dont care. Wtf was he thinking??

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 11:25 AM
No not at all. That was theee dumbest thing Iv ever seen a player do, with the game on the line. This team doesnt need that **** and we have other wrs with plenty of potential. Im sure I sound like a "the sky is falling" type of guy right now but I really dont care. Wtf was he thinking??
You should be cut for making dumb posts.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 11:28 AM
You should be cut for making dumb posts.Dont care. You know I usually dont over react over something like this but that was seriously the most ******ed thing Iv ever seen a player do, and the way he did it was even worse. At least bench his *** for a while.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 11:42 AM
And how many times do we need to see Rolle late to a play in the endzone??? What are we paying him all that money for???

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 11:43 AM
I think Barden gave Asomugha the "bear hug" because he thought Asomugha was going to pick the ball off....not saying it's ok, but I think he knew he was probably going to get the Pass Interference and thought that a 54 yard FG attempt was better then an interception and no attempt at all

Also, Bradshaw is just bad, Wilson and Brown are both better at gaining yardage in the running game with our current O-Line...although they may not be as good at protecting Eli which right now is the most important job for any RB in there.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 11:53 AM
I think Barden gave Asomugha the "bear hug" because he thought Asomugha was going to pick the ball off....not saying it's ok, but I think he knew he was probably going to get the Pass Interference and thought that a 54 yard FG attempt was better then an interception and no attempt at all

Also, Bradshaw is just bad, Wilson and Brown are both better at gaining yardage in the running game with our current O-Line...although they may not be as good at protecting Eli which right now is the most important job for any RB in there.

I think you're right. But there are better ways to break up the play. He's 6'6 for God's sake. Go up and make a play.

Moke
10-01-2012, 11:54 AM
yea.....i didnt see Bradshaw get benched in 2010, and he had 7 fumbles on the season 6 of which he lost....

So, uhh....let's switch it up, for the sake of the run game!!

Well, yeah... not sure what you really meant by this post, but I agree with you.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 11:58 AM
I think Barden gave Asomugha the "bear hug" because he thought Asomugha was going to pick the ball off....not saying it's ok, but I think he knew he was probably going to get the Pass Interference and thought that a 54 yard FG attempt was better then an interception and no attempt at all

Also, Bradshaw is just bad, Wilson and Brown are both better at gaining yardage in the running game with our current O-Line...although they may not be as good at protecting Eli which right now is the most important job for any RB in there.I dont think Bradshaws bad. His problem is hes dancing around to much looking for a hole when he doesnt think its there. Brown hits the hole hes suppose to if its there or not. Bradshaw tries to get too shifty at times, and when he does he opens his legs really wide(kinda like a olinemen).Bradshaw had a nice run last night up the middle, but if it was Brown there was a good chance he would of been gone. Think Brown should get the bulk of the carries from here on out, will it happen? probably not.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 12:00 PM
Well, yeah... not sure what you really meant by this post, but I agree with you.
Let me tell you what he means.
He hates Bradshaw because he believes that Bradshaw has been the only impediment to Danny Ware's (graduate of Pizzey's Alma Mater,.... UGA) success and glory in the NFL.
He will deny it but we all know its true.

Moke
10-01-2012, 12:01 PM
Let me tell you what he means.
He hates Bradshaw because he believes that Bradshaw has been the only impediment to Danny Ware's (graduate of Pizzey's Alma Mater,.... UGA) success and glory in the NFL.
He will deny it but we all know its true.

Really? Well, let's see how he does in Tampa lol

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 12:04 PM
Really? Well, let's see how he does in Tampa lol
Are you kidding?.....Pizzey already has his Doug Martin and Legarret Blount Voodoo dolls all made up.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:06 PM
Let me tell you what he means.
He hates Bradshaw because he believes that Bradshaw has been the only impediment to Danny Ware's (graduate of Pizzey's Alma Mater,.... UGA) success and glory in the NFL.
He will deny it but we all know its true.

lol.....that's only HALF true. YES I was a Ware advocate, NO, i dont HATE Bradshaw....
however, since he's no longer good, I see no reason to not play just Wilson and Brown.

Moke
10-01-2012, 12:07 PM
Are you kidding?.....Pizzey already has his Doug Martin and Legarret Blount Voodoo dolls all made up.


Hahahaha! I think he's had the Blount voodoo doll for awhile now ;)

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:08 PM
Really? Well, let's see how he does in Tampa lol

Lol, it's no longer relevant since he isn't a Giant. I wish him luck, just not against the Giants =P

Moke
10-01-2012, 12:09 PM
Lol, it's no longer relevant since he isn't a Giant. I wish him luck, just not against the Giants =P

I don't wish Mario luck when he plays us in 2 weeks.

Eeek!! Watch him be utilized a lot against us

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:10 PM
I dont think Bradshaws bad. His problem is hes dancing around to much looking for a hole when he doesnt think its there. Brown hits the hole hes suppose to if its there or not. Bradshaw tries to get too shifty at times, and when he does he opens his legs really wide(kinda like a olinemen).Bradshaw had a nice run last night up the middle, but if it was Brown there was a good chance he would of been gone. Think Brown should get the bulk of the carries from here on out, will it happen? probably not.

I dont think Coughlin does the whole trial by error thing very often. Like, AB is going to have to have more games like last night to take the bench, and it's going to hurt us. I just don't see any reason to give him more than 7-8 carries a game

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:13 PM
I don't wish Mario luck when he plays us in 2 weeks.

Eeek!! Watch him be utilized a lot against us

Manningham looked really good on that reversal SF ran yesterday. Damn that dude is fast.
I think SF's offense is too conservative to use their 3 WRs as real weapons.
Yesterday during that awful jets game, i saw them line up triple TE sets MULTIPLE times.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 12:18 PM
I dont think Bradshaws bad. His problem is hes dancing around to much looking for a hole when he doesnt think its there. Brown hits the hole hes suppose to if its there or not. Bradshaw tries to get too shifty at times, and when he does he opens his legs really wide(kinda like a olinemen).Bradshaw had a nice run last night up the middle, but if it was Brown there was a good chance he would of been gone. Think Brown should get the bulk of the carries from here on out, will it happen? probably not.

too shifty at times? he's too shifty ALL the time, he shifts out of 4-5 yard runs with clearly defined holes into 1/2 yard loses like that's what his job is, you'd think he was "trying" to lose yardage every play....yes occasionally he shifts into a lucky break and runs for 30+ yards...it happens...occasionally...but is it worth all the Third and Longs he puts us in? I don't think so, I'd rather have brown pounding away getting 3+ yards every single time or at least every single time there is 3 yards to get.

it's kinda like Bradshaw is "spoiled" he see's a 3 yard gain and says to himself "3 Yards...who wants that...lets try to get 30!" and then gets nothing...and that's just standard procedure now.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 12:25 PM
I wish our defense was ran like the eagles. Wed be a force.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 12:25 PM
Manningham looked really good on that reversal SF ran yesterday. Damn that dude is fast.
I think SF's offense is too conservative to use their 3 WRs as real weapons.
Yesterday during that awful jets game, i saw them line up triple TE sets MULTIPLE times.he had a nice little screen too. We miss him....

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 12:30 PM
Oh yea, and Osi is a ****ing joke. What a waste of money that bum is. Laughing on the side lines after he just got gashed.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:32 PM
Rant of the day:

So saturday was nice out mid day, decided to take the dog to the park for maybe a half hour or so, socialize with other dogs. She unfortunately is only around small dogs usually.
So i drive down there, it's like 30 seconds from my house, and start walking her around the area. I find this guy with a golden who took a liking to Tizzie, so we're talking or whatever, he had a Giants hat on so we were shootin the **** about the Gmen.
Then this lady comes over with a...well i dont know what it was. it looked like a bigger version of a yorkie....and this dog is barking it's face off at Tizz and this golden.
They lady says "excuse me! excuse me sir..." and both me and this other guy are like "huh? me?" and she points at me.

in my head: "Heeeeeere we go!!"

Me - "yes?"
her - "There's a sign over there near the park sign that says no pitbulls...and it says all aggressive dogs will be asked to leave."
Me - "ok, so why are you telling me this?"
Her - "you have a pitbull"
me - "I have an American Staffordshire Terrier. Pitbull is a made up word."
Her - "well, aggressive dogs are asked to leave. your dog isn't allowed here"

So I look at her dog yapping at Tizzie....look back at her....look back at the dog yapping...look back at her...
"Yes, my pitbull is so aggressive that it's sitting by my feet staring at your dog while yours is trying to attack mine....she's sooooo aggressive!!"

The other guy chimes in "Ma'am, we're having a conversation here. Your dog is being disruptive and aggressive, we're going to have to ask you to leave"
"How dare you talk to me that way!! I'm calling the town!!!"
"ok, and tell them what? that there are 2 nice gentlemen in the dog park with 2 nice dogs.....that you dont happen to like? Good luck with that I guess"

I hate people.
/endrant

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 12:39 PM
Oh yea, and Osi is a ****ing joke. What a waste of money that bum is. Laughing on the side lines after he just got gashed.

We really need our DTs back. having Canty in the middle frees up the outsides much better than anything we've displayed in 4 games this year. I'd even take Marvin Austin. Linval Joseph and Rocky are meh....theyre ok, but they arent a force really....
Canty just makes the ends better. AND vice versa

byron
10-01-2012, 01:47 PM
you would think I'd learn not to read tagf after a loss...It just makes me feel worst than I already do....bottom line for me is I didn't like the last play call...while I get it I just didn't see that coming from the Giants ...get closer sure but a home run ball right there seems ****ed up and out of character.....to me anyway....feels like a dumb mistake.....we lost and it sucks

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 01:51 PM
you would think I'd learn not to read tagf after a loss...It just makes me feel worst than I already do....bottom line for me is I didn't like the last play call...while I get it I just didn't see that coming from the Giants ...get closer sure but a home run ball right there seems ****ed up and out of character.....to me anyway....feels like a dumb mistake.....we lost and it sucks

I didn't like that we went to the same side like 5 times in a row. We got lucky on the PI calls, but they should have definitely did something else. If Barden put half as much effort into going for the ball as he did the tackle, we'd be in a good spot, or at worst, much better FG position. It does suck.
And yes, i tend to stay out of tagf for about a week after losses lol

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 01:51 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/hugo-chavez-says-hed-vote_n_1927024.html

Moke
10-01-2012, 01:55 PM
49 seconds ago (12:53 PM)
Chavez should teach Obama how to get our gas prices down to $0.18 a gallon like it is in his country.

Only "GREED" stands in the way.

These gas prices are why people aren't spending money on other things.
When it takes 20%-25% of the average Americans paycheck to buy enough gas to go to work,,, something is seriously out of balance.


What a moronic statement.....

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 01:58 PM
I didn't like that we went to the same side like 5 times in a row. We got lucky on the PI calls, but they should have definitely did something else. If Barden put half as much effort into going for the ball as he did the tackle, we'd be in a good spot, or at worst, much better FG position. It does suck.
And yes, i tend to stay out of tagf for about a week after losses lolTHIS! gatdaymn ! how about a slant or something. or one of gilbrides famous draws.
And TC needs to save a timeout. He always calls them with plenty of time left.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 02:01 PM
you would think I'd learn not to read tagf after a loss...It just makes me feel worst than I already do....bottom line for me is I didn't like the last play call...while I get it I just didn't see that coming from the Giants ...get closer sure but a home run ball right there seems ****ed up and out of character.....to me anyway....feels like a dumb mistake.....we lost and it sucksi like making fun of people.

Still think we should bench Barden for a while though.

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 02:10 PM
Rant of the day:

So saturday was nice out mid day, decided to take the dog to the park for maybe a half hour or so, socialize with other dogs. She unfortunately is only around small dogs usually.
So i drive down there, it's like 30 seconds from my house, and start walking her around the area. I find this guy with a golden who took a liking to Tizzie, so we're talking or whatever, he had a Giants hat on so we were shootin the **** about the Gmen.
Then this lady comes over with a...well i dont know what it was. it looked like a bigger version of a yorkie....and this dog is barking it's face off at Tizz and this golden.
They lady says "excuse me! excuse me sir..." and both me and this other guy are like "huh? me?" and she points at me.

in my head: "Heeeeeere we go!!"

Me - "yes?"
her - "There's a sign over there near the park sign that says no pitbulls...and it says all aggressive dogs will be asked to leave."
Me - "ok, so why are you telling me this?"
Her - "you have a pitbull"
me - "I have an American Staffordshire Terrier. Pitbull is a made up word."
Her - "well, aggressive dogs are asked to leave. your dog isn't allowed here"

So I look at her dog yapping at Tizzie....look back at her....look back at the dog yapping...look back at her...
"Yes, my pitbull is so aggressive that it's sitting by my feet staring at your dog while yours is trying to attack mine....she's sooooo aggressive!!"

The other guy chimes in "Ma'am, we're having a conversation here. Your dog is being disruptive and aggressive, we're going to have to ask you to leave"
"How dare you talk to me that way!! I'm calling the town!!!"
"ok, and tell them what? that there are 2 nice gentlemen in the dog park with 2 nice dogs.....that you dont happen to like? Good luck with that I guess"

I hate people.
/endrant

Haha, don't you just love the "don't confuse me with the facts, self-appointed and entitled social police." Guess she didn't get the memo that aggression in dogs directly correlates with the behavior and treatment by their owners.

But, don't hold it against her pup. Some of the little ones can be yappers. One of ours is 7 pounds of flea fightin muscle and his bark is definitely worse than his bite, especially since he only has 2 teeth left. But, apparently he does seem to think he is a Doberman and not a maltese, which is why we named him Napoleon and his neighborhood rep is that we have some ferocious house-guarding Britlingen - until they meet him in person. This usually induces some major laugh-out-loud greetings and Napoleon usually reveals what a major closet cuddle fester he actually is. :p

Great story!

byron
10-01-2012, 02:10 PM
I didn't like that we went to the same side like 5 times in a row. We got lucky on the PI calls, but they should have definitely did something else. If Barden put half as much effort into going for the ball as he did the tackle, we'd be in a good spot, or at worst, much better FG position. It does suck.
And yes, i tend to stay out of tagf for about a week after losses lol I should know better....I read some where that Barden wasn't the first read...but still the coaches called it....TC said post game the worst thing that could happen was the opi ?? What about an Int ? we would have had no shot....should have played it a little safer Imo... they got ****y/greedy ....hindsight is 20/20....oh well

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:11 PM
Still think we should bench Barden for a while though.

I'd bet they will since Hixon has improved, and Nicks coming back.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:18 PM
Haha, don't you just love the "don't confuse me with the facts, self-appointed and entitled social police." Guess she didn't get the memo that aggression in dogs directly correlates with the behavior and treatment by their owners.

But, don't hold it against her pup. Some of the little ones can be yappers. One of ours is 7 pounds of flea fightin muscle and his bark is definitely worse than his bite, especially since he only has 2 teeth left. But, apparently he does seem to think he is a Doberman and not a maltese, which is why we named him Napoleon and his neighborhood rep is that we have some ferocious house-guarding Britlingen - until they meet him in person. This usually induces some major laugh-out-loud greetings and Napoleon usually reveals what a major closet cuddle fester he actually is. :p

Great story!

HAHAHAHA. thats awesome

Yea, I just get frustrated with people who not only don't know what they are talking about, but don't even care. My dog deserves some sort of canine social life for being such great girl. It's a treat for her to play with other dogs, and smell their butts and whatever dogs like doing lol.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 02:19 PM
What a moronic statement.....

our society has lost it's collective minds, we are too complacent and as a whole we just don't know how anything works, government controls and does too much for us.

People just want the government to solve all the problems, even when they don't know why or how those problems exist in the first place, sometimes to the point that we ask government to solve problems that the government created...by trying to solve problems lol.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:29 PM
I should know better....I read some where that Barden wasn't the first read...but still the coaches called it....TC said post game the worst thing that could happen was the opi ?? What about an Int ? we would have had no shot....should have played it a little safer Imo... they got ****y/greedy ....hindsight is 20/20....oh well

the INT wont be talked about by people who just want to yell at Barden. lol
That the was the worst part of the game by far.

YES, Barden ****ed up MAJORLY.....but we should have already been up by a score. Eli and Ramses share the blame for the loss in my eyes.

Hey...we lose games, and we'll all have to deal....but, it stings when it's against a Philly team that didn't exactly wow me.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:29 PM
our society has lost it's collective minds, we are too complacent and as a whole we just don't know how anything works, government controls and does too much for us.

People just want the government to solve all the problems, even when they don't know why or how those problems exist in the first place, sometimes to the point that we ask government to solve problems that the government created...by trying to solve problems lol.

my favorite part is that people think 1 man directly controls the gas prices. lol

Moke
10-01-2012, 02:31 PM
our society has lost it's collective minds, we are too complacent and as a whole we just don't know how anything works, government controls and does too much for us.

People just want the government to solve all the problems, even when they don't know why or how those problems exist in the first place, sometimes to the point that we ask government to solve problems that the government created...by trying to solve problems lol.


It's so hard to get the gas prices cheaper. Corporate greed sure, but isn't it true that Obama is actually working towards raising the MPG standards for automakers to like 35-40 mpg?

I think that in itself says something that Obama is trying to do.

But then again, I hate politics.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 02:34 PM
my favorite part is that people think 1 man directly controls the gas prices. lolhe can guide it with policies he makes. just like the stock market.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 02:36 PM
It's so hard to get the gas prices cheaper. Corporate greed sure, but isn't it true that Obama is actually working towards raising the MPG standards for automakers to like 35-40 mpg?

I think that in itself says something that Obama is trying to do.

But then again, I hate politics.Hes also invested billions in clean energy. We actually built a bunch of solar panels, sold them to china, then used stimulus money to buy them back from China.

Moke
10-01-2012, 02:36 PM
Hes also invested billions in clean energy. We actually built a bunch of solar panels, sold them to china, then used stimulus money to buy them from China.

Lol, is that really what he did?

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:40 PM
he can guide it with policies he makes. just like the stock market.

How can you make policies with the worst congressional blocking of a president in the history of our country?

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:41 PM
just like the stock market.

is that how Dubya left us with such an awesome economy? treating everything like the sotck market? lol

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 02:45 PM
is that how Dubya left us with such an awesome economy? treating everything like the sotck market? lolBefore the wars he owned the most successful economy in global history.

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 02:45 PM
It's so hard to get the gas prices cheaper. Corporate greed sure, but isn't it true that Obama is actually working towards raising the MPG standards for automakers to like 35-40 mpg?

I think that in itself says something that Obama is trying to do.

But then again, I hate politics.

This is a supply side issue as evidenced by prices dropping slightly when OPEC recently released more oil supply. Keystone pipeline is another supply strategy. Controlling mpg does nothing for supply as it is a consumption strategy which is still a good consideration as part of an overall energy plan. Just my 2 cents.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 02:46 PM
How can you make policies with the worst congressional blocking of a president in the history of our country?He had two years with Dems running both houses and his main focus was his healthcare debacle and his stimulus which is now proving to be a waste of trillions of dollars.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 02:51 PM
Lol, is that really what he did?

one of many things he ok'ed, a LOT of money was dumped into green industries during the stimuli, he has good intentions with his ideas, unfortunately the proverb holds true.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

he's trying to fix everything without sacrificing anything...that leads to more problems then solutions....because his solutions simply can not be implemented.

in order to get out of the rut we are in now we as a country we ALL need to all sacrifice. (not JUST the rich)

The reason I don't particularly like Obama right now is all the class warfare he is promoting...the solution to our problems won't become reality as long as he is pitting American's against one another.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 02:53 PM
Before the wars he owned the most successful economy in global history.

I'll let you think about that one for a second since you brought it up. Bush stepped in ****...
he came into an awesome situation. And then 9/11 happened....

Dude, even Romney says, Obama did not ruin the economy....republicans just don't think he did enough to fix it. Now if you want to say he took the wrong steps, thats your opinion. Bottom line is, things have gotten better since we crashed. Republicans think that a dem should just improve the country they ****ed up immediately. You cant do that in 1 term. Bush ****ed it up in 2, but 1 president is supposed to fix it in one?

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 02:57 PM
He had two years with Dems running both houses and his main focus was his healthcare debacle and his stimulus which is now proving to be a waste of trillions of dollars.

This is the point Obama lovers forget....all they talk about is how the Republican's have been dead set at stopping him.

I'm sorry but that excuse is complete bull****....like dezz said...he had two FULL YEARS to do whatever the hell he wanted while the dems controlled literally everything...congress/senate and the white house....he forced health care through (even against opposition from his own party!) that's not the republican's fault...he just didn't do what he said he was going to do...he has noone to blame but himself period end of story.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:01 PM
Bottom line is, things have gotten better since we crashed.

No, they haven't, they've gotten MUCH worse...the Fed keeps printing money so you don't "feel" it yet but unemployment and the value of the dollar...our credit and the debt all show otherwise...we are doing MUCH MUCH worse then we were when Obama took over....which was admittedly was already bad.



Republicans think that a dem should just improve the country they ****ed up immediately. You cant do that in 1 term. Bush ****ed it up in 2, but 1 president is supposed to fix it in one?

No Pizz..."I" Think that a president that promised to fix the economy should at least be making a positive impact over the course of 4 years in office, he's made it TWICE as bad as it was when he started...he took Bush's crap and added two craps of his own on top of it.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:03 PM
This is the point Obama lovers forget....all they talk about is how the Republican's have been dead set at stopping him.

I'm sorry but that excuse is complete bull****....like dezz said...he had two FULL YEARS to do whatever the hell he wanted while the dems controlled literally everything...congress/senate and the white house....he forced health care through (even against opposition from his own party!) that's not the republican's fault...he just didn't do what he said he was going to do...he has noone to blame but himself period end of story.

Notice how I didn't say republicans blocked policy creation. i said congressional.

You have to look at it at a non-party view:
he tried things...they didnt pass....some things passed with the ok, of congress, and they didnt work.....

point is, not enough was allowed to happen.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 03:03 PM
I'll let you think about that one for a second since you brought it up. Bush stepped in ****...
he came into an awesome situation. And then 9/11 happened....

Dude, even Romney says, Obama did not ruin the economy....republicans just don't think he did enough to fix it. Now if you want to say he took the wrong steps, thats your opinion. Bottom line is, things have gotten better since we crashed. Republicans think that a dem should just improve the country they ****ed up immediately. You cant do that in 1 term. Bush ****ed it up in 2, but 1 president is supposed to fix it in one?Things have gotten better Pizz? ALL living costs are through the roof! Food prices up, electricity is up 30% from when bam stepped into office. 1 in 7 Americans are now on food stamps, up around 40% since bam took office. Unemployment is over 10%, no matter what the media says. Small businesses are still struggling and are afraid to expand because of the uncertainty of future taxes and healthcare.

And dont even get me started on this Libyan incident. The man has no spine when it comes to dealing with Jihadists.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Notice how I didn't say republicans blocked policy creation. i said congressional.

You have to look at it at a non-party view:
he tried things...they didnt pass....some things passed with the ok, of congress, and they didnt work.....

point is, not enough was allowed to happen.

no you have to look at reality, his first 2 years he had unchecked power, the republicans had zero power what so ever, he could have passed tax rates of 125% on anyone making over 100k a year and the republicans would not have been able to stop him...he was able to do whatever he (and his party) could think of without the republicans involved in any way...

what did he do? he decided to try to pass something that most DEMOCRATS in Congress and the Senate didn't want to pass...he wasted his first 2 years convincing his own party to let him pass something no one wanted...he could have gotten soooo much done without republican opposition his first 2 years...he CHOOSE not to.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Notice how I didn't say republicans blocked policy creation. i said congressional.

You have to look at it at a non-party view:
he tried things...they didnt pass....some things passed with the ok, of congress, and they didnt work.....

point is, not enough was allowed to happen.Yes youre right, its not just Republicans. Not one single Dem voted for Obamas proposed budget, not one.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:10 PM
Yes youre right, its not just Republicans. Not one single Dem voted for Obamas proposed budget, not one.

Exactly....when the president makes a proposal and no one from his OWN party even agrees with him...there's a problem.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:10 PM
No, they haven't, they've gotten MUCH worse...the Fed keeps printing money so you don't "feel" it yet but unemployment and the value of the dollar...our credit and the debt all show otherwise...we are doing MUCH MUCH worse then we were when Obama took over....which was admittedly was already bad.




No Pizz..."I" Think that a president that promised to fix the economy should at least be making a positive impact over the course of 4 years in office, he's made it TWICE as bad as it was when he started...he took Bush's crap and added two craps of his own on top of it.

I dont agree with any of those things except that the fed keeps printing money....

Well, newsflash, the Fed is a private corporation, and benefits from both good and bad economies, so are you really surprised? There hasn't been backing to our dollar since around WW2, and this is EXACTLY what was going to happen by design. It was a system designed to fail. Sucks, doesn't it?

It's so depressing to me that people don't know how the Federal Reserve works (I'm not saying you don't...this is just a general statement).

I just can't understand the logic of those who think that their president didn't TRY to make things better. It didn't matter who was in office this term, everyone still would have complained. I'm horrified that people think Romney is fit to run a country. Absolutely horrified. Despite the terrible economic situation just prior to the 08 election, this is the one I'm going to remember, because it's so ****ing scary.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:17 PM
ok ok....youre always right, im always wrong....

I forgot how many conservatives are in this thread lol. It's like arguing with my dog who just barks back.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:22 PM
I just can't understand the logic of those who think that their president didn't TRY to make things better. It didn't matter who was in office this term, everyone still would have complained. I'm horrified that people think Romney is fit to run a country. Absolutely horrified. Despite the terrible economic situation just prior to the 08 election, this is the one I'm going to remember, because it's so ****ing scary.

I do think he tried Pizz, but he tried using a "Keynesian" economic model (and an extreme version of it at that)

what we needed was a "Hayek" based model...those two models are pretty much polar opposites....Obama only knows how to use and apply one (and it seems he has a limited knowledge of economics all together most likely because he's never run a business...he's been in politics his whole life...all he's done is teach "theories" and doing community organizing...it's not HIS fault...but the simple answer why we are worse of right now then we were when he took office is that he is simply not qualified to be the president of the united states...he doesn't have the experience or knowledge base to make the right decisions in SOOOO many areas, he's an eloquent speaker, he's very charismatic, he's a great leader.....but he doesn't have the qualifications to lead this country.

Romney is smarter when it comes to the economy....that said I don't really like him either...he's a waffler (but so is Obama and most other politicians)

I'm not voting FOR Romney I'm voting against Obama.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:23 PM
ok ok....youre always right, im always wrong....

I forgot how many conservatives are in this thread lol. It's like arguing with my dog who just barks back.

Libertarian not Conservative Pizz...

plus Conservatism doesn't mean what it used to mean....Democrates (like under Kennedy) used to be more conservative then the current conservative movement.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Libertarian not Conservative Pizz...

plus Conservatism doesn't mean what it used to mean....Democrates (like under Kennedy) used to be more conservative then the current conservative movement.

So if youre Libertarian, why are you not voting for Gary Johnson, who is the Libertarian alternative. That would make a ton more sense, especially considering this country needs to get away from the 2 party system, and we need to be given MANY more choices in our elections.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Actually....as a whole, this country is not very progressive enough to have people really considered liberal vs. conservative........the entire population is rather conservative, because people just don't accept change very well lol.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:31 PM
New Topic:

Is Dezz EVER going to go to a game with us?

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:34 PM
So if youre Libertarian, why are you not voting for Gary Johnson, who is the Libertarian alternative. That would make a ton more sense, especially considering this country needs to get away from the 2 party system, and we need to be given MANY more choices in our elections.

I would have voted for Ron Paul...Gary Johnson does not have a shot in hell.

I'm voting for Romney to "limit" the damage.

For example...if our country is at a 5 right now on a scale of 1-10 I thing 4 more years of Obama might push us down to a 3, Romney might hold still at a 5, Ron Paul maybe could have pushed it up to a 6 or 7...

I'd rather stay at 5 then go to 3....I don't have another option Pizz.

byron
10-01-2012, 03:36 PM
I do think he tried Pizz, but he tried using a "Keynesian" economic model (and an extreme version of it at that)

what we needed was a "Hayek" based model...those two models are pretty much polar opposites....Obama only knows how to use and apply one (and it seems he has a limited knowledge of economics all together most likely because he's never run a business...he's been in politics his whole life...all he's done is teach "theories" and doing community organizing...it's not HIS fault...but the simple answer why we are worse of right now then we were when he took office is that he is simply not qualified to be the president of the united states...he doesn't have the experience or knowledge base to make the right decisions in SOOOO many areas, he's an eloquent speaker, he's very charismatic, he's a great leader.....but he doesn't have the qualifications to lead this country.

Romney is smarter when it comes to the economy....that said I don't really like him either...he's a waffler (but so is Obama and most other politicians)

I'm not voting FOR Romney I'm voting against Obama. lmao....vote for someone you don't like just to vote against someone you don't like ....is that not like having no choice !?! .....I cold never do that man... I don't like Romey he don't get my vote or any other person for that matter.....something wrong with that picture Daven

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 03:36 PM
I dont agree with any of those things except that the fed keeps printing money....

Well, newsflash, the Fed is a private corporation, and benefits from both good and bad economies, so are you really surprised? There hasn't been backing to our dollar since around WW2, and this is EXACTLY what was going to happen by design. It was a system designed to fail. Sucks, doesn't it?

It's so depressing to me that people don't know how the Federal Reserve works (I'm not saying you don't...this is just a general statement).

I just can't understand the logic of those who think that their president didn't TRY to make things better. It didn't matter who was in office this term, everyone still would have complained. I'm horrified that people think Romney is fit to run a country. Absolutely horrified. Despite the terrible economic situation just prior to the 08 election, this is the one I'm going to remember, because it's so ****ing scary.I think he tried, with out a doubt he is trying. I just dont think taxing the richest Americans, which will only bring in 85 billion a year( feds spend 80 billion per week) is going to fix anything. Spending 2 trillion on a new unproven healthcare law in a unsafe economic environment doesnt help either. Romney may not be much better, but he will give businesses confidence imo.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 03:38 PM
lmao....vote for someone you don't like just to vote against someone you don't like ....is that not like having no choice !?! .....I cold never do that man... I don't like Romey he don't get my vote or any other person for that matter.....something wrong with that picture Daven
It sucks Byron, but voting is my duty as a citizen of this country, If I want my vote to count for anything I only have two choices, Obama or Romney, out of those two people...Romney will do infinity less damage to this country over the next 4 years....don't get me wrong, they both suck, but one sucks a lot less.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:39 PM
I would have voted for Ron Paul...Gary Johnson does not have a shot in hell.

I'm voting for Romney to "limit" the damage.

For example...if our country is at a 5 right now on a scale of 1-10 I thing 4 more years of Obama might push us down to a 3, Romney might hold still at a 5, Ron Paul maybe could have pushed it up to a 6 or 7...

I'd rather stay at 5 then go to 3....I don't have another option Pizz.

of course Johnson doesnt stand a chance. Joe Shmoe doesnt even know he exists. lol
Ron Paul was ok in my book, despite some of his general social issue opinion "FLAWS".... ;)

Romney makes me ill.....

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 03:40 PM
lmao....vote for someone you don't like just to vote against someone you don't like ....is that not like having no choice !?! .....I cold never do that man... I don't like Romey he don't get my vote or any other person for that matter.....something wrong with that picture Daven


DEMOCRACY!!!

UH'MURICA!!! **** YEA!!!

lol

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 03:49 PM
I dont agree with any of those things except that the fed keeps printing money....

Well, newsflash, the Fed is a private corporation, and benefits from both good and bad economies, so are you really surprised? There hasn't been backing to our dollar since around WW2, and this is EXACTLY what was going to happen by design. It was a system designed to fail. Sucks, doesn't it?

It's so depressing to me that people don't know how the Federal Reserve works (I'm not saying you don't...this is just a general statement).

I just can't understand the logic of those who think that their president didn't TRY to make things better. It didn't matter who was in office this term, everyone still would have complained. I'm horrified that people think Romney is fit to run a country. Absolutely horrified. Despite the terrible economic situation just prior to the 08 election, this is the one I'm going to remember, because it's so ****ing scary.

Pizz, if it's any comfort to you, I'm an Independent from NC. :p

Both parties have benefitted from the FED and the House bill to audit the FED was passed on a bipartisan basis. It is, unfortunately languishing in the Senate as Harry Reid will not bring it to the floor for discussion. Schumer was pressuring Bernanke to do the QE3 obviously due to the temporary "sugar rush" impact it would have on consumer spending (confidence). This was then spun by the media as improvement in the economy. Like the first two QEs, the crash from this will come later and consumer confidence is not the only relevant metric to consider. GDP was actually downgraded from the last report as was the US credit downgraded for a second time, the latter due to the FED's issuing of QE3.

My husband recently lost his job, but he is not one of those counted in the unemployment numbers reported by the WH. So while things may be improving for some, there are still many others who are struggling.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 03:53 PM
of course Johnson doesnt stand a chance. Joe Shmoe doesnt even know he exists. lol
Ron Paul was ok in my book, despite some of his general social issue opinion "FLAWS".... ;)

Romney makes me ill.....
First off all...there is a Libertarian thread running through the history of our country. We have always been a self reliant people who want to be in control of our own destiny. PURE Libertarianism is a tad wacko for me. But I definitely have a Libertarian slant to my world view. Smaller government in our fiscal policy, and smaller government in our personal lives.
This is also the direction we are headed. It has been argued by many economists that we will never reach $20 trillion in national debt. Not because we will show some fiscal responsibility, but because no one will lend us any more money at that point. When that happens, we will be forced, without choice to cut SS and Medicare to the bone. Millions upon millions will be hurt by that. What the GOP wants to do in their clumsy way, is make the reforms now that will prevent that kind of national crisis from happening.

They may be almost as sleazy as Dems, but in this case, they are right. And thats the difference.
My fear is that since Obama is "cool", and sings Al Green songs in tune and gives a good (if not empty) speech, he will get re-elected and the fiscal cliff is right down the road.
I don't care if I like whoever is president, I care about the future of this country.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Byron, your new pups look awesome. Their coats are shiiiiinning maaaan.

byron
10-01-2012, 03:56 PM
It sucks Byron, but voting is my duty as a citizen of this country, If I want my vote to count for anything I only have two choices, Obama or Romney, out of those two people...Romney will do infinity less damage to this country over the next 4 years....don't get me wrong, they both suck, but one sucks a lot less. Voting is a right not a duty ...imo Daven.....and I wil not let my freedom of choice be dicated by anyone and or by the lack of choice....buts thats just me .....

byron
10-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Byron, your new pups look awesome. Their coats are shiiiiinning maaaan. Thanks man they are all leaving this week so I posted up the pic ....nothing like puppies man

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 03:58 PM
On a more important note, I am up 33 on Blondie and she has, Murray, Witten and the Bears D tonight.
What are my chances of holding her off and staying undefeated? Maybe 6 out of 10?

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Voting is a right not a duty ...imo Daven.....and I wil not let my freedom of choice be dicated by anyone and or by the lack of choice....buts thats just me .....
Voting is our right, but casting an educated vote is our responsibility.
Voting because someone "likes" this guy over another, without considering the impact on the country, is an insult to Democracy.
If you don't believe me, ask the Egyptians about right now.

byron
10-01-2012, 04:03 PM
Voting is our right, but casting an educated vote is our responsibility.
Voting because someone "likes" this guy over another, without considering the impact on the country, is an insult to Democracy.
If you don't believe me, ask the Egyptians about right now. well then I'll leave the voting to all you smart asses.....

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 04:04 PM
Thanks man they are all leaving this week so I posted up the pic ....nothing like puppies manlol Dont you miss them when they leave. Id love to be a breeder but I can say now I wouldnt give any of them away. hahaha

If you ever want to put them on a raw food diet, I know a guy. I can send you the website if you want. All different types of cuts and everything.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 04:05 PM
well then I'll leave the voting to all you smart asses.....
No...But one should do their best to understand the problems facing the country and not get overly influenced by superficial nonsense.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 04:10 PM
of course Johnson doesnt stand a chance. Joe Shmoe doesnt even know he exists. lol
Ron Paul was ok in my book, despite some of his general social issue opinion "FLAWS".... ;)

Romney makes me ill.....
No offense Pizz, but this last statement of your drives me friggin nuts.
ITS NOT ABOUT THE CANDIDATE....IT'S ABOUT THE COUNTRY.

Bill Clinton made me ill. I "liked" H.W. Bush a lot more, but I VOTED for Clinton because it's what I thought was best for the country.
He wasn't locked into a narrow ideology like our current President is. And as someone who had Romney as my governor, I can tell you that Romney isn't either. He got things done here with super majorities of Dem's in the statehouse.

byron
10-01-2012, 04:31 PM
No...But one should do their best to understand the problems facing the country and not get overly influenced by superficial nonsense. I'd agree.....but I have a problem with being forced by lack of choice to vote for the lesser of two evils....its like the game is rigged.....


I'm not trying to doing this to upset or piss any one off its the way I see it good or bad

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 04:32 PM
No offense Pizz, but this last statement of your drives me friggin nuts.
ITS NOT ABOUT THE CANDIDATE....IT'S ABOUT THE COUNTRY.

Bill Clinton made me ill. I "liked" H.W. Bush a lot more, but I VOTED for Clinton because it's what I thought was best for the country.
He wasn't locked into a narrow ideology like our current President is. And as someone who had Romney as my governor, I can tell you that Romney isn't either. He got things done here with super majorities of Dem's in the statehouse.

it shouldn't drive you nuts....it's fairly clear to me that he dislikes more people than he wants to help, he comes across as a prejudice, and unaccepting person, driven by religious fundamentals that I personally find disturbing. I also won't vote for multi-millionaires who already control way too much of our country by getting whatever policies they want passed by throwing money in the right direction.

Another thought:
Daven(i think it was him) brought up the point that taxing the rich doesn't make alot of money. That's fine and all, but...it doesn't give the rest of us a break from getting hammered day in and day out. The rest of us continue to pay the same, to compensate the taxes for the rich, because damn it's easy to have tax free funds. (my job even does it for people through some of our investment services reps). So they really need to think less about how taxes are going to generate income, and more about just making the lower/middle class paying more. Buyer confidence, although only part of the equation, is important to the economy getting back to it's former self.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 04:42 PM
it shouldn't drive you nuts....it's fairly clear to me that he dislikes more people than he wants to help, he comes across as a prejudice, and unaccepting person, driven by religious fundamentals that I personally find disturbing. I also won't vote for multi-millionaires who already control way too much of our country by getting whatever policies they want passed by throwing money in the right direction.

Another thought:
Daven(i think it was him) brought up the point that taxing the rich doesn't make alot of money. That's fine and all, but...it doesn't give the rest of us a break from getting hammered day in and day out. The rest of us continue to pay the same, to compensate the taxes for the rich, because damn it's easy to have tax free funds. (my job even does it for people through some of our investment services reps). So they really need to think less about how taxes are going to generate income, and more about just making the lower/middle class paying more. Buyer confidence, although only part of the equation, is important to the economy getting back to it's former self.
OMG!!!! How naive are you for God's sake?
Do you actually believe that Mitt Romney dislikes people he disagrees with?
I'm sorry Pizz, but that's what I expect from someone who is far less informed than you.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 04:44 PM
"I'm willing to vote for a guy who may ruin the country...but he LIKES me....he really likes me!"

Good one Pizz.

dezzzR
10-01-2012, 04:50 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/420421_10151096671177781_569113455_n.jpg

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 04:55 PM
OMG!!!! How naive are you for God's sake?
Do you actually believe that Mitt Romney dislikes people he disagrees with?
I'm sorry Pizz, but that's what I expect from someone who is far less informed than you.

I think you misunderstand what I mean by this....it could also be my fault for not conveying my opinion properly....actually, I think that's what happened here.

I don't feel a person like Romney, with his social views, is a good fit for a leader of this country.
I'm not as well spoken on these matters as I am on others. It's hard to walk the fine line of having political opinions, while not sounding insulting. I'm not good at that, admittedly.
I'm not naive to it....sucks that you think that, but oh well...

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 05:03 PM
I think you misunderstand what I mean by this....it could also be my fault for not conveying my opinion properly....actually, I think that's what happened here.

I don't feel a person like Romney, with his social views, is a good fit for a leader of this country.
I'm not as well spoken on these matters as I am on others. It's hard to walk the fine line of having political opinions, while not sounding insulting. I'm not good at that, admittedly.
I'm not naive to it....sucks that you think that, but oh well...
Romney is a social moderate. Thats a fact. He was my governor...I can tell you with good experience.
And there may not be a more charitable religionon this planet than LDS. The guy gives 20% of his income every year to charity.

But he doesn't like you Pizz......I'm sorry.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 05:22 PM
But he doesn't like you Pizz......I'm sorry.

he gets to join the club ;)

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 05:44 PM
I think you misunderstand what I mean by this....it could also be my fault for not conveying my opinion properly....actually, I think that's what happened here.

I don't feel a person like Romney, with his social views, is a good fit for a leader of this country.
I'm not as well spoken on these matters as I am on others. It's hard to walk the fine line of having political opinions, while not sounding insulting. I'm not good at that, admittedly.
I'm not naive to it....sucks that you think that, but oh well...

Romney does not have the social views you believe he does....

that's the problem Pizz, just like I know Obama is not a "socialist" and doesn't want to "Destroy the country" just like I don't care and doubt that he was born outside of the US just like I don't think his connection to Rev. Wright is important.

I know all of those things are media spins to make Obama look bad...just as I know that you SHOULD know that Romney doesn't "hate poor people" Romney (and republicans in general) don't want to "take away your health care and social security" neither do they think everyone has to be religious or that abortion should be made illegal everywhere for all reasons.

those are all media driven fallacies.

you are frustrating Pizz...because you know that the media spins crap about Obama...and you'll call people out on in when they believe the spin about him right...which is good and I'm glad you are informed enough to know that.

but on the other hand you seem to BELIEVE all the spin coming from the other side...and when we tell you it's spin and that's actually not what the candidate believes you say something like "Well I suppose that's your opinion man"

No Pizz....just like Obama isn't "trying to destroy the country".....Romney doesn't "Hate poor people"

you can't believe spin from one side and dismiss it from the other.

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 05:46 PM
it shouldn't drive you nuts....it's fairly clear to me that he dislikes more people than he wants to help, he comes across as a prejudice, and unaccepting person, driven by religious fundamentals that I personally find disturbing. I also won't vote for multi-millionaires who already control way too much of our country by getting whatever policies they want passed by throwing money in the right direction.

Another thought:
Daven(i think it was him) brought up the point that taxing the rich doesn't make alot of money. That's fine and all, but...it doesn't give the rest of us a break from getting hammered day in and day out. The rest of us continue to pay the same, to compensate the taxes for the rich, because damn it's easy to have tax free funds. (my job even does it for people through some of our investment services reps). So they really need to think less about how taxes are going to generate income, and more about just making the lower/middle class paying more. Buyer confidence, although only part of the equation, is important to the economy getting back to it's former self.

Pizz, with respect, I'm in a swing state and we have been bombarded by negative ads for months now and your comments sound like a compilation of those ads.

The salient point about consumer confidence you need to keep in mind is that this recent uptick is from QE3- it's temporary. Just like the first two, confidence will go down again once the public realizes that the structural policy issues that promote real growth of the economy will remain unchanged. But it will be after the election. Personally, I think the brazen attempt at these faux optics is offensive and unethical and the longer term impact is that our dollar will once again be worth less, so we will have to pay more for products and services.

I do wish that Romney would further clarify his reform plan. Obama is proposing tax increases on the "rich"; Romney is proposing tax reform. Big difference there. Romney's lowering the rates for everyone (especially the middle class) and eliminating loopholes typically taken by the "rich" means the rich will pay more, but the expansion of the tax base from growth will generate far greater revenue to make a serious effort at paying down the debt. Even Clinton reduced the capital gains tax from 28% to 20%. The "tax the rich" rhetoric is a misleading ploy since this will have no impact on the debt and so we in the middle class will resent the "rich". That's not a real solution. It's just simply divides Americans.

We in the middle class are currently/in the near future be hit by numerous new taxes and costs under Obama's ACA health care act. (I work in health care- what we got is not true reform) For example, a college near us- their student health insurance plan was just increased by 75% and students can not keep their current plans as they don't meet all the new mandates. That's a major increase in costs for students and/or their parents. Premiums have also skyrocketd and this law is already costing 2-3x the original projections per the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

What's funny is while the Obama campaign tries to paint Romney as an "extremist", conservatives complain that he isn't conservative enough. I guess that's why he does appeal to many Independents.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 05:46 PM
I think you misunderstand what I mean by this....it could also be my fault for not conveying my opinion properly....actually, I think that's what happened here.

I don't feel a person like Romney, with his social views, is a good fit for a leader of this country.
I'm not as well spoken on these matters as I am on others. It's hard to walk the fine line of having political opinions, while not sounding insulting. I'm not good at that, admittedly.
I'm not naive to it....sucks that you think that, but oh well...

Romney does not have the social views you believe he does....

that's the problem Pizz, just like I know Obama is not a "socialist" and doesn't want to "Destroy the country" just like I don't care and doubt that he was born outside of the US just like I don't think his connection to Rev. Wright is important.

I know all of those things are media spins to make Obama look bad...just as I know that you SHOULD know that Romney doesn't "hate poor people" Romney (and republicans in general) don't want to "take away your health care and social security" neither do they think everyone has to be religious or that abortion should be made illegal everywhere for all reasons.

those are all media driven fallacies.

you are frustrating Pizz...because you know that the media spins crap about Obama...and you'll call people out on in when they believe the spin about him right...which is good and I'm glad you are informed enough to know that.

but on the other hand you seem to BELIEVE all the spin coming from the other side...and when we tell you it's spin and that's actually not what the candidate believes you say something like "Well I suppose that's your opinion man"

No Pizz....just like Obama isn't "trying to destroy the country".....Romney doesn't "Hate poor people"

That's "not like my opinion man" that's just a fact.

you can't believe spin from one side and dismiss it from the other.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 05:51 PM
it shouldn't drive you nuts....it's fairly clear to me that he dislikes more people than he wants to help, he comes across as a prejudice, and unaccepting person, driven by religious fundamentals that I personally find disturbing. I also won't vote for multi-millionaires who already control way too much of our country by getting whatever policies they want passed by throwing money in the right direction.

Another thought:
Daven(i think it was him) brought up the point that taxing the rich doesn't make alot of money. That's fine and all, but...it doesn't give the rest of us a break from getting hammered day in and day out. The rest of us continue to pay the same, to compensate the taxes for the rich, because damn it's easy to have tax free funds. (my job even does it for people through some of our investment services reps). So they really need to think less about how taxes are going to generate income, and more about just making the lower/middle class paying more. Buyer confidence, although only part of the equation, is important to the economy getting back to it's former self.
What evidence do you have that Romney "dislikes" anyone?

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 05:54 PM
What's funny is while the Obama campaign tries to paint Romney as an "extremist", conservatives complain that he isn't conservative enough. I guess that's why he does appeal to many Independents.

He isn't conservative enough, at least not in my opinion, I say this and Pizz and MMB jump all over me but it's the truth, he is cow-towing to the independents and even trying to win some undecided democrats over (people who are angry at Obama for not doing enough)

the problem is in doing so he's proposing to take half measures everywhere, Half measures won't cut it, they won't even put a dent into the problems that already exist...at least not in one term...probably not even two.

I mean it's absurd to call the guy who created the basis for Obama's national health care plan a conservative extremist...it is just stupid...but people who don't pay attention believe it and get scared.

plus conservatism doesn't even mean the same thing it used to mean 30-40 years ago, to society Conservatism now means bible thumping social nut jobs, I don't want that kind of conservative, I want limited government conservatives...where are they? do they even exist anymore?

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 05:55 PM
I don't understand what you mean by student health insurance?

I apologize in advance, because alot of what you said is slightly above my head in respect to healthcare. I'm not an expert sadly. I know what i have, i know the cost, i know it's good coverage (besides vision and dental which suck major ***), but I just don't know enough about everything in it's entirety. Sorry I cant contribute. And sorry I come across as an ad =P

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 06:01 PM
Romney does not have the social views you believe he does....

that's the problem Pizz, just like I know Obama is not a "socialist" and doesn't want to "Destroy the country" just like I don't care and doubt that he was born outside of the US just like I don't think his connection to Rev. Wright is important.

I know all of those things are media spins to make Obama look bad...just as I know that you SHOULD know that Romney doesn't "hate poor people" Romney (and republicans in general) don't want to "take away your health care and social security" neither do they think everyone has to be religious or that abortion should be made illegal everywhere for all reasons.

those are all media driven fallacies.

you are frustrating Pizz...because you know that the media spins crap about Obama...and you'll call people out on in when they believe the spin about him right...which is good and I'm glad you are informed enough to know that.

but on the other hand you seem to BELIEVE all the spin coming from the other side...and when we tell you it's spin and that's actually not what the candidate believes you say something like "Well I suppose that's your opinion man"

No Pizz....just like Obama isn't "trying to destroy the country".....Romney doesn't "Hate poor people"

That's "not like my opinion man" that's just a fact.

you can't believe spin from one side and dismiss it from the other.

I understand your point, and like i said earlier, it's difficult for me to walk the line of political view vs. not insulting people.

It's not even the whole "hates the poor people" thing....i know thats exagerated....
HOWEVER, like you said about how society defines conservativism, that's actually a big deal to me. And i know people don't want to hear that, because you will think that I'm ignoring platform to focus more on his social views....but, that's just how I feel, and it's very hard for me to ignore.

JPizzack
10-01-2012, 06:04 PM
Gotta run guys........you can preach to me later ;)
lol just kidding.

DavenIII
10-01-2012, 06:06 PM
HOWEVER, like you said about how society defines conservativism, that's actually a big deal to me. And i know people don't want to hear that, because you will think that I'm ignoring platform to focus more on his social views....but, that's just how I feel, and it's very hard for me to ignore.

I'm not sure you understand what I meant there, my point was when "I" say conservative (and morehead too probably) we do not mean what you think we mean if you believe the current idea of what "conservative" is, truthfully? real conservatives are the most hard core about keeping religion OUT of politics, I bet you didn't know that did you? Conservatives are about keeping government completely out of your social life....

the problem is "real" conservatives do not exist anywhere anymore...

The conservatism you know about? well Romney isn't that either...so don't worry, Romney is a moderate...there is no real or fake conservatism in him.

Morehead State
10-01-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm not sure you understand what I meant there, my point was when "I" say conservative (and morehead too probably) we do not mean what you think we mean if you believe the current idea of what "conservative" is, truthfully? real conservatives are the most hard core about keeping religion OUT of politics, I bet you didn't know that did you? Conservatives are about keeping government completely out of your social life....

the problem is "real" conservatives do not exist anywhere anymore...

The conservatism you know about? well Romney isn't that either...so don't worry, Romney is a moderate...there is no real or fake conservatism in him.
I disagree Daven. Romney is a fiscal conservative. that's what I care about. He is a social moderate and that's fine with me too.

byron
10-01-2012, 07:00 PM
cool clock
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 07:04 PM
He isn't conservative enough, at least not in my opinion, I say this and Pizz and MMB jump all over me but it's the truth, he is cow-towing to the independents and even trying to win some undecided democrats over (people who are angry at Obama for not doing enough)

the problem is in doing so he's proposing to take half measures everywhere, Half measures won't cut it, they won't even put a dent into the problems that already exist...at least not in one term...probably not even two.

I mean it's absurd to call the guy who created the basis for Obama's national health care plan a conservative extremist...it is just stupid...but people who don't pay attention believe it and get scared.

plus conservatism doesn't even mean the same thing it used to mean 30-40 years ago, to society Conservatism now means bible thumping social nut jobs, I don't want that kind of conservative, I want limited government conservatives...where are they? do they even exist anymore?

IMO, I agree with Morehead. He's a moderate (Although his fiscal plan is very similar to the conservative Ryan proposed draft, except it also includes the repeal of Obamacare and restoration of the Medicare cuts taken by Obamacare- and I am already personally experiencing the impact of those cuts as I have Power of Attorney for my 91 yr old Mom who had a house call last week by a physician who was subcontracted by the government even though she has had the same primary physician for 30 years and I am now in a "debate" over the coverage of some of her medications for active conditions.) Romney's taxation policies are also conservative and he has a record of budget neutrality and debt reduction. Nice to see that Morehead can personally validate that from his time as govenor.

The country has always been basically center-right, with the "right" being more focused on fiscal rather than social conservatism. I only see him appealing to moderate Dems as both parties have become more partisan. The majority of Americans do want bipartisanship, although the 2010 election was more trying to slow down the runaway train and spending that was the first two years of this administration with control of Congress as well. Bottom line is, we must stop the hemorrhaging first and foremost and it's vitally important that conservatives turn out.

PS, I actually strongly support separation of church and state and the constitution and I'm an Independent. Naturally, that would mean I embrace states rights and the government closest to the people governs best because they are in a better position to understand the issues of the electorate and maintain a relevant dialogue with their constituency. From what I've read the overwhelming majority of Americans are concerned about government intrusion.

swimeasy
10-01-2012, 07:53 PM
I don't understand what you mean by student health insurance?

I apologize in advance, because alot of what you said is slightly above my head in respect to healthcare. I'm not an expert sadly. I know what i have, i know the cost, i know it's good coverage (besides vision and dental which suck major ***), but I just don't know enough about everything in it's entirety. Sorry I cant contribute. And sorry I come across as an ad =P

No worries Pizz. I am an eternal student of football on a never ending severe learning curve and most here are so helpful with answering my questions and I always appreciate that. And I may have come across more harsh than I intended so my apologies to you as well. The negative ads this year are nothing like I've ever seen before and I'm pretty sick of them.

The following may help. The main college discussed is within walking distance to me. Guilford College is a Quaker school which honors the Quaker tradition of decisions through consensus. There are also other links that may be of interest embedded in this piece.

"Health Insurance Costs Skyrocket For College Students Due To ObamaCare

"http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/health-insurance-costs-skyrocket-college-students-due-obamacare (http://cnsnews.com/blog/ron-meyer/health-insurance-costs-skyrocket-college-students-due-obamacare)

Kase-1
10-01-2012, 11:19 PM
And how many times do we need to see Rolle late to a play in the endzone??? What are we paying him all that money for???It was actually Webster who got rolled up and smoked on that touchdown, Rolle was just supposed to be the over the top help yet he was a step slow.

Speaking of 2ndary wasnt it nice to not hear Prince Amukamara's name mentioned alot last night even though he was starting

Kase-1
10-01-2012, 11:26 PM
My fear is that since Obama is "cool", and sings Al Green songs in tune and gives a good (if not empty) speech, he will get re-elected and the fiscal cliff is right down the road.
I don't care if I like whoever is president, I care about the future of this country.Not as cool as THIS guy.... He woulda been great if it wasnt for NAFTA

http://cdn2.elitedaily.com/elite/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/elite-daily-arsenio-hall-bill-clinton2.jpg

byron
10-01-2012, 11:28 PM
lol Dont you miss them when they leave. Id love to be a breeder but I can say now I wouldnt give any of them away. hahaha

If you ever want to put them on a raw food diet, I know a guy. I can send you the website if you want. All different types of cuts and everything. sorry Dezz I missed this.... yeah it does bother me my wife handles far better than I do...yeah pm me the web site I'd like to look it over...thanks man

Kase-1
10-01-2012, 11:29 PM
How has nobody mentioned the biggest reason that we lost was that NOBODY played their lanes/gaps in our front 7... Other than Professor Blackburn who had a nasty game

byron
10-01-2012, 11:31 PM
Not as cool as THIS guy.... He woulda been great if it wasnt for NAFTA

plus one Kase I'm still pissed about that deal ...

Kase-1
10-01-2012, 11:36 PM
plus one Kase I'm still pissed about that deal ...That was BY FAR his biggest wrong doing, who cares about getting a BJ in the oval office. Hell if I was President id be getting daily BJ's in the oval office

byron
10-01-2012, 11:37 PM
How has nobody mentioned the biggest reason that we lost was that NOBODY played their lanes/gaps in our front 7... Other than Professor Blackburn who had a nasty game I read somewhere in the second half the eagles let our ends have open lanes to Vick and they just ran outside once over pursued.....

byron
10-01-2012, 11:42 PM
That was BY FAR his biggest wrong doing, who cares about getting a BJ in the oval office. Hell if I was President id be getting daily BJ's in the oval officelol... A lot of lost jobs Mils and factorys close up all over the country ... sold tthe american worker right down the river

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 09:18 AM
How has nobody mentioned the biggest reason that we lost was that NOBODY played their lanes/gaps in our front 7... Other than Professor Blackburn who had a nasty game

my brother called him the Downy Bear on sunday....lmao

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 10:32 AM
someone posted this on reddit, entitled "Sad Eli" =(

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1469665/sadeli.gif

MattMeyerBud
10-02-2012, 10:39 AM
so is there any special requests for food this weekend? Is everybody down to throw some dough in?

byob as usual

bring your raincoats

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 11:06 AM
so is there any special requests for food this weekend? Is everybody down to throw some dough in?

byob as usual

bring your raincoats

yep, i always BMOB, and i'll throw money in for whatever the food item is, as long as it's not so ****ing spicy that i crap it out. lol (dont nobody want to use the ****ters in or out of the stadium!!! lol

dezzzR
10-02-2012, 11:47 AM
It was actually Webster who got rolled up and smoked on that touchdown, Rolle was just supposed to be the over the top help yet he was a step slow.

Speaking of 2ndary wasnt it nice to not hear Prince Amukamara's name mentioned alot last night even though he was startingYea thats what I meant, hes ALWAYS late

dezzzR
10-02-2012, 11:48 AM
sorry Dezz I missed this.... yeah it does bother me my wife handles far better than I do...yeah pm me the web site I'd like to look it over...thanks man yea im pmed ya.

dezzzR
10-02-2012, 12:16 PM
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-10-02/video-jay-cutler-mike-tice-sideline-incident-bears-cowboys-mnf?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl4|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D213911

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 12:36 PM
So.....going to the game?

dezzzR
10-02-2012, 12:43 PM
So.....going to the game?hope so

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 12:47 PM
hope so

ok, see you at Lot M at 8am

Maybe if youre lucky, you can have the creepy man hug. *****es love the creepy man hug -__-

byron
10-02-2012, 01:25 PM
so is there any special requests for food this weekend? Is everybody down to throw some dough in?

byob as usual

bring your raincoats hamburgers?..I got some dough...rain stay away...we meeting up ?

MattMeyerBud
10-02-2012, 01:30 PM
hey guys, its looking like 12 a head for all the food which will include breakfast (bagels,eggs,bacon,cheese), Kase's superbowl salad, chips, taco dip, cupcakes, buffalo wings, hamburgers, hot dogs, all the bread, BBQ stuff, plates and crap

sound good?

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 01:33 PM
hey guys, its looking like 12 a head for all the food which will include breakfast (bagels,eggs,bacon,cheese), Kase's superbowl salad, chips, taco dip, cupcakes, buffalo wings, hamburgers, hot dogs, all the bread, BBQ stuff, plates and crap

sound good?

no complaints here! thx again for doing the heavy lifting, matt & blondie

byron
10-02-2012, 01:35 PM
no complaints here! thx again for doing the heavy lifting, matt & blondie + 1 to that !!

byron
10-02-2012, 01:37 PM
hey guys, its looking like 12 a head for all the food which will include breakfast (bagels,eggs,bacon,cheese), Kase's superbowl salad, chips, taco dip, cupcakes, buffalo wings, hamburgers, hot dogs, all the bread, BBQ stuff, plates and crap

sound good? good Deal man....thanks

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 01:41 PM
oh, and Kase of course.....jeez, im an *** sometimes >.<

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 01:42 PM
BYRON!!! I'm so amped to see you again, man!! It's gonna be a good day! lol

byron
10-02-2012, 01:44 PM
BYRON!!! I'm so amped to see you again, man!! It's gonna be a good day! lol Likewise JP ! its gonna be a great time !

Morehead State
10-02-2012, 02:26 PM
hey guys, its looking like 12 a head for all the food which will include breakfast (bagels,eggs,bacon,cheese), Kase's superbowl salad, chips, taco dip, cupcakes, buffalo wings, hamburgers, hot dogs, all the bread, BBQ stuff, plates and crap

sound good?
Well because I'm a victim of the Obama "recovery" I may only be able to afford $11.50. I'll let you know.

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 02:31 PM
Well because I'm a victim of the Obama "recovery" I may only be able to afford $11.50. I'll let you know.

I got your other $.50

Guess I'm just recession proof....

edit - I'm the rich helping out the poor!! YEEEEAAAAA BIIIIITCH!!!!

Morehead State
10-02-2012, 03:57 PM
I got your other $.50

Guess I'm just recession proof....

edit - I'm the rich helping out the poor!! YEEEEAAAAA BIIIIITCH!!!!
I was waiting for my Obama handout from the taxpayers. I'm sick of having to work for what I have.

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 04:02 PM
I was waiting for my Obama handout from the taxpayers. I'm sick of having to work for what I have.

I know this has literally nothing to do with what youre talking about, but I'm randomly reminded of the whole Drew Carey quote:

"Oh you hate your job?? Well why didn't you just say so!! There's a support group for that! It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar."

Morehead State
10-02-2012, 04:04 PM
I know this has literally nothing to do with what youre talking about, but I'm randomly reminded of the whole Drew Carey quote:

"Oh you hate your job?? Well why didn't you just say so!! There's a support group for that! It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar."
Actually I've always loved my job but I would now like to retire and become a rock star.

JPizzack
10-02-2012, 04:23 PM
Actually I've always loved my job but I would now like to retire and become a rock star.

If you do, I'd like to join you in rockstardom. I do feel that was my true calling.

Imgrate
10-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Speaking of work. I might break the 100 hour mark this week. OT$$. Have fun at the game kids, hopefully I'll be in sanfran watching my boys win a playoff game.

Kase-1
10-02-2012, 07:01 PM
hey guys, its looking like 12 a head for all the food which will include breakfast (bagels,eggs,bacon,cheese), Kase's superbowl salad, chips, taco dip, cupcakes, buffalo wings, hamburgers, hot dogs, all the bread, BBQ stuff, plates and crap

sound good?Cant F'N WAIT!!!!! I absolutley love THEE Game and for the 1st time everyone is gonna be sitting together 10 deep... I may scare a few during the game, LOL

MattMeyerBud
10-02-2012, 07:55 PM
Cant F'N WAIT!!!!! I absolutley love THEE Game and for the 1st time everyone is gonna be sitting together 10 deep... I may scare a few during the game, LOL

war paint this year like big fan?

byron
10-02-2012, 08:03 PM
war paint this year like big fan? once I get to the stadium I'll feel safe with all my big buddys...I be bad !

bigblue4417
10-03-2012, 12:21 AM
hope so
A.K.A. - Not a chance in hell

byron
10-03-2012, 12:27 AM
A.K.A. - Not a chance in hell you ready 4417 !!

swimeasy
10-03-2012, 08:58 AM
Byron, if I may ask a couple of questions- What is the breed of your pups? They are beautiful.

Funny, I came across a piece yesterday that talked about a research study where they showed people in the workplace 5 minutes of pictures of puppies and adult dogs. They found that those employees who viewed the pups were actually more productive in their work. We have been fortunate to have a dog therapy program at the hospital system I work at for many years. It really is amazing the impact they have on patients.

Did I also read that you have a daughter in banking? My daughter is two years post college (Finance). Her interest seems to be unfolding more toward asset management, but I was wondering if your daughter pursued any post grad education? We had always thought that she would need to obtain her MBA to remain competitive, but now it seems becoming a 'Chartered Financial Analyst' is becoming a key standard. It seems to be a major multi-year certification process, all self-study and requires to sit for three levels of exams, so it's not something that can be pursued at the same time as a masters as it also requires a minimum of 4 years working in the industry. Any advice or info you can offer would be much appreciated.

Many thanks.

JPizzack
10-03-2012, 09:35 AM
Speaking of work. I might break the 100 hour mark this week. OT$$. Have fun at the game kids, hopefully I'll be in sanfran watching my boys win a playoff game.

Nice, good luck

I'm going to the Yanks/Sox game tonight, so that should be an exciting one. Those pesky Orioles jsut arent losing games these days. It's pretty cool though! This is kind of sparking that 90s rivalry again. I like it.

Morehead State
10-03-2012, 12:13 PM
What are the chances that Dezipoo shows up for the tailgate?
I say he still doesn't know how to get to the stadium.

JPizzack
10-03-2012, 12:30 PM
What are the chances that Dezipoo shows up for the tailgate?
I say he still doesn't know how to get to the stadium.

HA, youre probably right.

I don't know. I wish he would though. Shame we've gone this long without seeing him. SELFISH *******!!!!!

Morehead State
10-03-2012, 01:16 PM
HA, youre probably right.

I don't know. I wish he would though. Shame we've gone this long without seeing him. SELFISH *******!!!!!
I'm still holding out on my theory that you and Dez are the same person.

JPizzack
10-03-2012, 01:38 PM
I'm still holding out on my theory that you and Dez are the same person.

Dezz isn't exactly helping my case....

Though we do have rather different opinions on most topics. lol

Morehead State
10-03-2012, 01:39 PM
Dezz isn't exactly helping my case....

Though we do have rather different opinions on most topics. lol
That's just your inner conflict.

JPizzack
10-03-2012, 01:54 PM
2 worst things about working with women:

1) they try to keep the branch above 75 degrees constantly.
2) working with women.

DavenIII
10-03-2012, 02:37 PM
I know this has literally nothing to do with what youre talking about, but I'm randomly reminded of the whole Drew Carey quote:

"Oh you hate your job?? Well why didn't you just say so!! There's a support group for that! It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar."

I thought that was George Carlin?

http://www.thecollaredsheep.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/support-group.jpg

JPizzack
10-03-2012, 02:55 PM
I thought that was George Carlin?


I cant even say for sure. I literally googled the entire quote, and every single result came back drew carey. try it.

I wouldn't blame people crediting it to carlin if they didnt know...because he's AWESOME

byron
10-03-2012, 09:01 PM
Byron, if I may ask a couple of questions- What is the breed of your pups? They are beautiful.

Funny, I came across a piece yesterday that talked about a research study where they showed people in the workplace 5 minutes of pictures of puppies and adult dogs. They found that those employees who viewed the pups were actually more productive in their work. We have been fortunate to have a dog therapy program at the hospital system I work at for many years. It really is amazing the impact they have on patients.

Did I also read that you have a daughter in banking? My daughter is two years post college (Finance). Her interest seems to be unfolding more toward asset management, but I was wondering if your daughter pursued any post grad education? We had always thought that she would need to obtain her MBA to remain competitive, but now it seems becoming a 'Chartered Financial Analyst' is becoming a key standard. It seems to be a major multi-year certification process, all self-study and requires to sit for three levels of exams, so it's not something that can be pursued at the same time as a masters as it also requires a minimum of 4 years working in the industry. Any advice or info you can offer would be much appreciated.

Many thanks. thank you Swimeasy, they are Labrador retrievers....they are great family dogs they are also trained for hunting,as seeing eye dogs and as therapy dogs...I didn't see this myself but my wife is in the process of getting one of ours her good citizens certificate....As part of her training she took her to a nursing home...Their was this elderly women who I guess is pretty much non responsive socially,they put her hand on the dog for her to feel and she had to have closer look ...They went nose to nose checking each other out as she patted our dog ...My own experience is that I can be having the worst of days come home and those puppies see me and come running "its the guy"..I just get down with them and let them maul me ....


My daughter actually became a school teacher out of college...taught at the high school level and and some college level classes at night....This job opportunity presented itself at a local bank and she decided on a career change.....I did talk to her "hence why I'm a little late getting back to you" she does have her MBA but didn't know much about the 'Chartered Financial Analyst' you spoke of ....She is one of the bank managers she has a title but I forget.....I know she enjoys what she is doing .....

if you like pup pictures some of our litters can be seen here..enjoy

http://www.freewebs.com/nortonlabradors/

by the way I can't imagine my life with dogs in it

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/38205_139857359370314_307473_n.jpg

Bud he goes everywhere with me

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 09:49 AM
Lets hope that The Giants do to the Browns, what Romney did to Obama last night.

Imgrate
10-04-2012, 10:08 AM
Got my tickets and flight set to see Matt Cain pitch Saturday night.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 10:09 AM
Got my tickets and flight set to see Matt Cain pitch Saturday night.
Are you going to be in one of those boats in the Bay? Now THAT would be awesome.

Imgrate
10-04-2012, 10:13 AM
Are you going to be in one of those boats in the Bay? Now THAT would be awesome.Not quite. I'm behind first base/first base line

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 10:33 AM
Not quite. I'm behind first base/first base line
That's good. With all the "singles" the Giants hit, you'll have a good view.

And yes I know the Red Sox suck.

We'll be at the REAL Giants game on Sunday.

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 10:34 AM
I picked quite a game to go to last night, eh? Hitting clinic.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 10:36 AM
I picked quite a game to go to last night, eh? Hitting clinic.
There was a game last night?

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 10:42 AM
There was a game last night?

Yea, bad timing, i missed the debate, but the Yanks once again put a beatdown on the nearly unrecognizable red sux, clinched the east, got the 1 seed.

I know, these words might not make much sense to you.

in the 7th, the Orioles lost, and they put that the Yanks clinched on all the jumbo trons, and the place went nuts. Cool stuff.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 10:45 AM
Yea, bad timing, i missed the debate, but the Yanks once again put a beatdown on the nearly unrecognizable red sux, clinched the east, got the 1 seed.

I know, these words might not make much sense to you.

in the 7th, the Orioles lost, and they put that the Yanks clinched on all the jumbo trons, and the place went nuts. Cool stuff.
I'm sure it was fun. And yes...these aren't the real Red Sox. They will be back next season. All this horrific year did was help usher in a new era, with a real manager, of greater glory than we have ever achieved before.
As a Sox fan, I am very optimistic!

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 10:50 AM
I'm sure it was fun. And yes...these aren't the real Red Sox. They will be back next season. All this horrific year did was help usher in a new era, with a real manager, of greater glory than we have ever achieved before.
As a Sox fan, I am very optimistic!

Problem with trading away the contracts like they did, is that they now have no bait for getting free agents. Well, this is my opinion. Pedroia and Ellsbury are not enough to build an offense around, and same goes for Lester and Bucholtz. That's not a draw for big name free agents. I dont know how they are goign to do it.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 11:22 AM
Problem with trading away the contracts like they did, is that they now have no bait for getting free agents. Well, this is my opinion. Pedroia and Ellsbury are not enough to build an offense around, and same goes for Lester and Bucholtz. That's not a draw for big name free agents. I dont know how they are goign to do it.
20 games under .500 and the building is still packed. The Sox are a religion in Boston. If you don't think most players would love to play in that environment, your crazy.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Youk back next year. As long as Mr. Dip**** is gone.

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 11:42 AM
ropa dope??? "If the debate was football Obama lost by at least two tds." Krouthammer

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 11:42 AM
So whats the deal with Nicks?!? They havent really said anything about his injury, he practiced last week, but then was held out, didn't play...he's not practicing this week, and they are saying he likely wont play....
Wtf is he doing exactly?? lol

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 11:42 AM
CNN poll gives first 2012 Presidential debate to Romney, 67% to 25%
Hope he can keep it up.

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 11:43 AM
So whats the deal with Nicks?!? They havent really said anything about his injury, he practiced last week, but then was held out, didn't play...he's not practicing this week, and they are saying he likely wont play....
Wtf is he doing exactly?? lolTheres a thread that says he should be ready in a week or two. Id rather not rush him

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 11:43 AM
ropa dope??? "If the debate was football Obama lost by at least two tds." Krouthammer

I didn't know you could win an acting battle. lol

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 11:47 AM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/46318_10151099590672781_1084487532_n.jpg
I know its your first time Ichi, but quit being such a woman lmao

DavenIII
10-04-2012, 11:59 AM
I didn't know you could win an acting battle. lol

This is why Obama is going to win Morehead, the majority of American's are like Pizz...they watch(or don't even watch) the debate and while watching they decide that all of it is lies or they just believe whatever "their" candidate says and disbelieve everything the other candidate says.

It doesn't matter that Romney outlined his plan, it doesn't matter that Romney, in no subtle terms, shut down Obama's talking points.

Obama claimed Romney wanted to cut 5 Trillion dollars right? Romney flat out said...NO I do not want to do that.

you have to take Romney on his word about that...just like we all took Obama on his word during his election, Obama didn't live up to his word...will Romney? who knows, but the point is you can't dismiss everything Romney says if you want to look at this race objectively and if you aren't looking at it objectively...then why watch it at all, if you can't look at both sides then you are clearly going to vote one way already so whats the point of the debate.

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 12:24 PM
This is why Obama is going to win Morehead, the majority of American's are like Pizz...they watch(or don't even watch) the debate and while watching they decide that all of it is lies or they just believe whatever "their" candidate says and disbelieve everything the other candidate says.

It doesn't matter that Romney outlined his plan, it doesn't matter that he in no polite terms shut down Obama's talking points.

Obama claimed Romney wanted to cut 5 Trillion dollars right? Romney flat out said...NO I do not want to do that.

you have to take Romney on his word about that...just like we all took Obama on his word during his election, Obama didn't live up to his word...will Romney? who knows, but the point is you can't dismiss everything Romney says if you want to look at this race objectively and if you aren't looking at it objectively...then why watch it at all, if you can't look at both sides then you are clearly going to vote one way already so whats the point of the debate.I dont know. I think its going to be extremely close or Romney by a few states. When ever Romney spoke last night, Obama had his head down. On top of that Obama looked tired and worn out AND he seemed unsure of himself at some points. There will be a few days before we see theeffects of this debate but everyone who was sleeping on Romney just got drenched with ice cold water. I think Romney brought a lot of Independents to the right last night imo. And I think youre over estimating the power of uninformed hipsters. They will NOT show up in numbers for Obama like they did in 08.

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 12:41 PM
This is why Obama is going to win Morehead, the majority of American's are like Pizz...they watch(or don't even watch) the debate and while watching they decide that all of it is lies or they just believe whatever "their" candidate says and disbelieve everything the other candidate says.

It doesn't matter that Romney outlined his plan, it doesn't matter that he in no polite terms shut down Obama's talking points.

Obama claimed Romney wanted to cut 5 Trillion dollars right? Romney flat out said...NO I do not want to do that.

you have to take Romney on his word about that...just like we all took Obama on his word during his election, Obama didn't live up to his word...will Romney? who knows, but the point is you can't dismiss everything Romney says if you want to look at this race objectively and if you aren't looking at it objectively...then why watch it at all, if you can't look at both sides then you are clearly going to vote one way already so whats the point of the debate.

Romney quite literally said whatever he wanted, and because he did so with such tenacity, and confidence, "he won"
How can he says that his $5 trillion tax cut, isn't actually his $5 trillion tax cut?
He also said that in his non-existent healthcare plan, that it would protect against pre-existing conditions, where in fact it does the exact opposite.
He also said(this confused the **** out of me...) that Obamacare was a government takeover of health care. lolwut?

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 12:45 PM
Bottom line is, I want facts....not acting. I dont care about either candidates body language, i dont care that Romney was rape-staring Obama all night as if he was looking at his own wife. I dont care that Obama was looking at the podium as if he wasn't even focusing on the task at hand....

Obama at multiple points durign the debate, had opportunities to go on the offensive, and either missed them, or left them alone (or cut off lol).

The public is going to see that Romney is now in version 9.0 mode or something(more flip flops than a beach), and doesn't give any good information other than defensive information to counterpoint. It was so lame.

DavenIII
10-04-2012, 12:47 PM
I dont know. I think its going to be extremely close or Romney by a few states. When ever Romney spoke last night, Obama had his head down. On top of that Obama looked tired and worn out AND he seemed unsure of himself at some points. There will be a few days before we see theeffects of this debate but everyone who was sleeping on Romney just got drenched with ice cold water. I think Romney brought a lot of Independents to the right last night imo. And I think youre over estimating the power of uninformed hipsters. They will NOT show up in numbers for Obama like they did in 08.

Obama kept his head down so that you couldn't see his anger, the guy has a angry streak...anyone who pays attention knows that and it's not something "i" care about, but I'm sure he was told by his advisers that no one wants to see him "angry" he obviously can't win on policy he needs to win on likeability and he has that in the bag as long as he doesn't freak out at any point.

about the hipsters...I'm not talking about them at all, I'm talking about the normal everyday citizen at the moment, the guy who works 9-5 and then watches a football eats dinner and goes to sleep...the common joe.

they don't CARE anymore, politics has become to difficult to follow without a significant investment of time and effort...and the public doesn't care.

so when they are debating economic policies and Obama throws out some random numbers and some made up talking points...the average citizen does not know whether that's true or not...(same goes for Romney) citizens have defaulted to "All Politicians are lying" which in turn makes them ignore everything...and when they are ignoring everything Debates like this do not matter...at all.

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 12:48 PM
Romney quite literally said whatever he wanted, and because he did so with such tenacity, and confidence,
How can he says that his $5 trillion tax cut, isn't actually his $5 trillion tax cut?
He also said that in his non-existent healthcare plan, that it would protect against pre-existing conditions, where in fact it does the exact opposite.
He also said(this confused the **** out of me...) that Obamacare was a government takeover of health care. lolwut?Please do tell, what the hell does this mean. Its one big contradiction. If its non existent how do you know? lol He describes his health care plan on his website if youd actually like to read it. :o

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 12:53 PM
Romney quite literally said whatever he wanted, and because he did so with such tenacity, and confidence, "he won"
How can he says that his $5 trillion tax cut, isn't actually his $5 trillion tax cut?
He also said that in his non-existent healthcare plan, that it would protect against pre-existing conditions, where in fact it does the exact opposite.
He also said(this confused the **** out of me...) that Obamacare was a government takeover of health care. lolwut?
Obamacare IS a government takeover of healthcare. We saw just this summer that the government is REQUIRING all insurance Companies to cover all birth control. Now most insurance companies do to some extent, but now the government is requiring it. they are telling customers that they can't negotiate a lower rate that doesn't include birth control. This is just a small example of how the arm of the federal government gets involved in the relationship between customers and providers.

And as for Romney's "5 trillion dollar tax cut" that Obama claims.......Romney has NEVER said he would cut taxes by $5 trillion. He said that he would reduce rates by 20% and offset that with elimination of loopholes and deductions for the wealthy. This has ALWAYS been his position and Obama was called out last night on his lying about it.

The real "win" for Romney last night wasn't based on style or body language. It was demonstrating that distortions and lies by the Obama campaign are going to be called out. And he did that. Romney isn't the bafoon that Obama's people have claimed. he's a brilliant and super competent man who has succeeded on a large scale in everything he has ever done. Yes..he's a dork and Obama is "cool". But thats never been the standard for President.
The future of the country is.

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 12:55 PM
Bottom line is, I want facts....not acting. I dont care about either candidates body language, i dont care that Romney was rape-staring Obama all night as if he was looking at his own wife. I dont care that Obama was looking at the podium as if he wasn't even focusing on the task at hand....

Obama at multiple points durign the debate, had opportunities to go on the offensive, and either missed them, or left them alone (or cut off lol).

The public is going to see that Romney is now in version 9.0 mode or something(more flip flops than a beach), and doesn't give any good information other than defensive information to counterpoint. It was so lame.You might not care, but undecided voters do. When they see a president being scolded in the nicest way possible, without any real "counterpunches" being thrown back, looking down, seeming frustrated, saying "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and "annnnnnnnnnnnnnd" every sentence. It looks un presidential.

DavenIII
10-04-2012, 12:57 PM
Bottom line is, I want facts....not acting.

Exactly, and Romney gave you facts last night, but you either don't believe them or don't understand them so you are calling it "acting"

Romney outlines a 5 point plan on the economy...he explained what he wants to do, when pushed for specifics by Obama he gave you a "real"...factual answer, he told you that he can not mention specifics yet because he's going to have to work with congress and the senate...there is no possible way to promise anything specific yet...he did give specific examples of things he thought would help though, Romney IS telling you exactly what he plans to propose, he's also telling you exactly what he will NOT let through.

as opposed to Obama who spent the entire debate trying to tell you what "Romney's" plan was, then telling you Romney doesn't have a plan...which is counter intuitive anyway, how can Obama explain to you how wrong Romney's plans are if Romney doesn't have a plan? then Obama went on to making excuses for why the last 4 years haven't been so great under his leadership.


The public is going to see that Romney is now in version 9.0 mode or something(more flip flops than a beach), and doesn't give any good information other than defensive information to counterpoint. It was so lame.

Oh I fully agree that Romney has been flip-flopping, that said he's not flip-flopping any more or less then Obama has...so that's a moot point.

Imgrate
10-04-2012, 12:57 PM
Yes..he's a dork and Obama is "cool". So it's basically like Eli vs. Simms

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 12:59 PM
This is why Obama is going to win Morehead, the majority of American's are like Pizz...they watch(or don't even watch) the debate and while watching they decide that all of it is lies or they just believe whatever "their" candidate says and disbelieve everything the other candidate says.

It doesn't matter that Romney outlined his plan, it doesn't matter that Romney, in no subtle terms, shut down Obama's talking points.

Obama claimed Romney wanted to cut 5 Trillion dollars right? Romney flat out said...NO I do not want to do that.

you have to take Romney on his word about that...just like we all took Obama on his word during his election, Obama didn't live up to his word...will Romney? who knows, but the point is you can't dismiss everything Romney says if you want to look at this race objectively and if you aren't looking at it objectively...then why watch it at all, if you can't look at both sides then you are clearly going to vote one way already so whats the point of the debate.
You minimize the impact of a bad economy on this race. History has shown that when the right track/wrong track numbers are as they are, the only way a President can win reelection is to show that his opponent is unacceptable. Like John Kerry in 2004. What Romney did last night was show the American people that the characature of Romney. portrayed by Obama and the media is false. That he is highly articulate, intelligent and experienced.
It will be very difficult for Obama now to "swift boat" Romney now.
No Daven...Romney is now the favorite in my view. History will support my position on that.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 01:12 PM
So it's basically like Eli vs. Simms
Simms is older than me and he could kill Eli in a fight.

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 01:13 PM
And as for Romney's "5 trillion dollar tax cut" that Obama claims.......Romney has NEVER said he would cut taxes by $5 trillion. He said that he would reduce rates by 20% and offset that with elimination of loopholes and deductions for the wealthy. This has ALWAYS been his position and Obama was called out last night on his lying about it.

The real "win" for Romney last night wasn't based on style or body language. It was demonstrating that distortions and lies by the Obama campaign are going to be called out. And he did that. Romney isn't the bafoon that Obama's people have claimed. he's a brilliant and super competent man who has succeeded on a large scale in everything he has ever done. Yes..he's a dork and Obama is "cool". But thats never been the standard for President.
The future of the country is.

Romney cannot dispute his tax cut plan on the rich by citing NOT EVEN ONE example of reducing loopholes and deductions. He even said that economists can't say that he plans to add 5 trillion, just because "he says" he wont add to the deficit with his tax plan. Well if you give no examples, 100% of people can still say that's whats going to happen, because youve provided no information during any juncture of his campaign.

The entire economy/tax portion of the debate was ruined by the fact that Lehrer not once held either candidate accountable to facts. He did nothing to challenge them, especially Romney, who is trying to "reform" everything.

and btw, i dont care if Obama is "cool"....how the hell is he cool? Cuz he's black? lol

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 01:15 PM
Romney cannot dispute his tax cut plan on the rich by citing NOT EVEN ONE example of reducing loopholes and deductions. He even said that economists can't say that he plans to add 5 trillion, just because "he says" he wont add to the deficit with his tax plan. Well if you give no examples, 100% of people can still say that's whats going to happen, because youve provided no information during any juncture of his campaign.

The entire economy/tax portion of the debate was ruined by the fact that Lehrer not once held either candidate accountable to facts. He did nothing to challenge them, especially Romney, who is trying to "reform" everything.

and btw, i dont care if Obama is "cool"....how the hell is he cool? Cuz he's black? lolglad youre finally catching on.

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 01:15 PM
Holy ****...I could kill Eli in a fight.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1055988.1340895282%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_635/eli-manning.jpg

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Romney cannot dispute his tax cut plan on the rich by citing NOT EVEN ONE example of reducing loopholes and deductions. He even said that economists can't say that he plans to add 5 trillion, just because "he says" he wont add to the deficit with his tax plan. Well if you give no examples, 100% of people can still say that's whats going to happen, because youve provided no information during any juncture of his campaign.

The entire economy/tax portion of the debate was ruined by the fact that Lehrer not once held either candidate accountable to facts. He did nothing to challenge them, especially Romney, who is trying to "reform" everything.

and btw, i dont care if Obama is "cool"....how the hell is he cool? Cuz he's black? lol
With trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see, is it your view that "reforms" are NOT necessary?

Imgrate
10-04-2012, 01:19 PM
Simms is older than me and he could kill Eli in a fight. so you're voting f for Obama?

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 01:20 PM
I'm going to end my discussion with this, because i feel we talk about this stuff to much here

I found the debate in it's entirety unhelpful. I was able to watch the unnarrated recaps late night when I came home before i passed out, and I felt both sides gained nothing. Of course most republicans are going to say this was a massive romney win.....but they said that about the RNC too....

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 01:21 PM
glad youre finally catching on.

wow dezz...you missed my point. i dont care: thats my point.
btw, if that's your stance, that's pretty racist. lol

dezzzR
10-04-2012, 01:23 PM
wow dezz...you missed my point. i dont care: thats my point.
btw, if that's your stance, that's pretty racist. lolwhats pretty racist is 99% of African Americans voting for a man just because they have the same skin color.

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 01:24 PM
btw, Romney advisors this morning had to clarify that contrary to his point that his health care system covered pre-existing conditions, it in fact does not. As far as i know, that was just ONE of the misrepresentations of the Romney/Paul campaign that was displayed during last night's debate.

JPizzack
10-04-2012, 01:24 PM
whats pretty racist is 99% of African Americans voting for a man just because they have the same skin color.

I'm white, and i hate white people. lol

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm going to end my discussion with this, because i feel we talk about this stuff to much here

I found the debate in it's entirety unhelpful. I was able to watch the unnarrated recaps late night when I came home before i passed out, and I felt both sides gained nothing. Of course most republicans are going to say this was a massive romney win.....but they said that about the RNC too....
All Democrats are saying that this was a massive Romney win. Watch MSNBC as see the trail of tears.

And to your point about the debate being unhelpful..It was pretty much unanimous from both sides that this may have been the most substantive debate in recent memory.
And weren't you at the Yankee game? When did you watch the debate?

Morehead State
10-04-2012, 01:28 PM
btw, Romney advisors this morning had to clarify that contrary to his point that his health care system covered pre-existing conditions, it in fact does not. As far as i know, that was just ONE of the misrepresentations of the Romney/Paul campaign that was displayed during last night's debate.
Romney's plan here in Mass makes it illegal to dump a customer because of pre existing conditions. Thats a fact.