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dezzzR
11-16-2012, 11:18 AM
quote of the month, imo.Im hoping an a funny story comes with that quote. haha

JPizzack
11-16-2012, 11:23 AM
lol I prefer escorts.

If I have to say this one more time, I'll snap....

They are all hookers when they are dead, Dezz....

Moke
11-16-2012, 11:23 AM
What's up guys?


Professor just asked if any of us was following. Hilarious question.

MattMeyerBud
11-16-2012, 12:14 PM
Well, since Matt, Blondie, Kase, and Lando all work during the day without access to the forums, it's been slow for quite some time.

and anytime i've come in here for the past month i've had to read the ridiculous political rants of a few

i'd almost rather debate hockey

:gag:

MattMeyerBud
11-16-2012, 12:14 PM
Its very inconvenient when people go out and actually get lives.
****heads!

actually i have less of a life because im working so much more

:(

alentown pa
11-17-2012, 08:14 PM
what are you guys doing for the bye week? Im actually gonna stay away from football, I have to work anyway.

byron
11-17-2012, 10:10 PM
what are you guys doing for the bye week? Im actually gonna stay away from football, I have to work anyway. well I'll watch some of the late games maybe but getting fire wood taken care of is priority one....

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 10:42 AM
I need Vernon Davis to have a decent game tonight to hold the #1 spot in my work league! I want the playoff bye week BADLY.

Looks like I'll be moving into 3rd place in our league this week

because, essentially what happened: Good always triumphs over evil ;)

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 11:16 AM
Megatron and Brandon ****ing Gibson Mercedes Lewis tore me up yesterday. Desean jackson and miles austin didnt do ****. Think im going to try and get a good rb for jackson and miles. i have depth at wr.

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 11:18 AM
My leagues so tight right now. Theres like 6 team 7-4 right now.

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 11:42 AM
My leagues so tight right now. Theres like 6 team 7-4 right now.

thats how the GMB league is right now.

but this week, i'll be moving up, and 2 ppl are moving down, so there will be a little bit more separation.

Morehead State
11-19-2012, 12:17 PM
My leagues so tight right now. Theres like 6 team 7-4 right now.
I assume that you're not one of them.

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 12:28 PM
I assume that you're not one of them.Well you just put *** in assume cause youre wroooong. ;)

Morehead State
11-19-2012, 12:44 PM
Well you just put *** in assume cause youre wroooong. ;)

I want in to any league where you have a winning record.

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 12:56 PM
I remember doing ok until my whole team got hurt in your league the first year. Then the next year i forgot draft day and the team was pretty pathetic, then a rb went down, forgot to find a replacement and lando was none to pleased. lol and you guys are ****ing lunatics. I said Id play when you were looking for one more head, but you picked drizzle cause you were most likely scared. I understand. Im an ELITE strategist

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 01:01 PM
Well you just put *** in assume cause youre wroooong. ;)

remember when i said earlier that good always triumphs evil? Guess who I beat this week? ;)

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 01:09 PM
remember when i said earlier that good always triumphs evil? Guess who I beat this week? ;)What a feeling that must be. lol
http://thetruthaboutplas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/522-victory.jpg

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 01:12 PM
What a feeling that must be. lol
http://thetruthaboutplas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/522-victory.jpg

I miss Johnny Drama =\

That show was so good at the beginning, tailed off horribly, and then rebounded to give me closure on the series finale. lol

they need to do a movie.

Morehead State
11-19-2012, 02:06 PM
remember when i said earlier that good always triumphs evil? Guess who I beat this week? ;)
For some ungodly reason, you get to play me again this week. My guys had a bad week, your guys had an incredible week. I will probably have the most point in the league after tonight. If Gore has a decent night I will still only have one week under 100 points. I've just had bad luck the last 4 weeks.

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 02:16 PM
For some ungodly reason, you get to play me again this week. My guys had a bad week, your guys had an incredible week. I will probably have the most point in the league after tonight. If Gore has a decent night I will still only have one week under 100 points. I've just had bad luck the last 4 weeks.

Just RG3 really...I got lucky when i plugged Santana in my flex cuz of bye week issues....but that was only 12 points.

fantasy football is a crapshoot, cuz guys can literally sometimes just do nothing.

in my work league, I was averaging 140 pts a week for the first 7 weeks...now im barely cracking 110

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 03:51 PM
ughhhh bradshaws practicing............

DavenIII
11-19-2012, 04:15 PM
It doesn't "hurt" to have bradshaw back, I just hope they don't forget about Wilson and Brown....cause that would hurt us.

JPizzack
11-19-2012, 04:28 PM
It doesn't "hurt" to have bradshaw back, I just hope they don't forget about Wilson and Brown....cause that would hurt us.

It continues to hurt us every time they "start" him....because it takes FAR too long for them to take the ball out of his hands. **** that TC "Creature of habit" bull****. it's so annoying.

dezzzR
11-19-2012, 08:15 PM
It doesn't "hurt" to have bradshaw back, I just hope they don't forget about Wilson and Brown....cause that would hurt us.I agree with ****. And Iv supported AB forever, but his feet are shot right now, and Brown has shown promise whenever given the chance.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 08:58 AM
Won all 4 of my fantasy leagues. Clean sweep.

I hope to be heavily rewarded come christmas ;)

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 09:01 AM
and anytime i've come in here for the past month i've had to read the ridiculous political rants of a few

i'd almost rather debate hockey

:gag:

It was an Election year....

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 10:33 AM
another day in paradise!!

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 10:35 AM
It annoys me how quick people have written off Mario Manningham.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 10:45 AM
It annoys me how quick people have written off Mario Manningham.

Guess I havent really noticed cuz i dont read much TAGF(It hurts my head).

I have nothing against Ham.....we didn't have enough room for him, he was going to be making much more than we were going to be able to pay him. All parties involved knew that.

I hate when fans expect players to take league minimum "on principle"....most ppl are stupid. lol

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 11:25 AM
Who was I arguing with pre-season, about how Alex Smith is garbage, and nothing more than a puppet in a conservaitve offense?

Kapernick anyone? Cuz Harbaugh seems to think so. ;)

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 11:47 AM
Who was I arguing with pre-season, about how Alex Smith is garbage, and nothing more than a puppet in a conservaitve offense?

Kapernick anyone? Cuz Harbaugh seems to think so. ;)I didnt think he was garbage, think hes decent at best. Kinda remember this but dont remember who

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 12:18 PM
It was an Election year....


not complaining, just didn't feel like hearing you and Moorehead's fox news input.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 12:18 PM
not complaining, just didn't feel like hearing you and Moorehead's fox news input.

PS - Sarah Palin getting nods for 2016

#suicide

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 12:19 PM
ughhhh bradshaws practicing............

i know, i hate when our RB who averages 4.5 a carry practices

i wish we would never play him

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 12:19 PM
It doesn't "hurt" to have bradshaw back, I just hope they don't forget about Wilson and Brown....cause that would hurt us.

Wilson has to be a thought before he can forgotten about

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 12:20 PM
What a feeling that must be. lol
http://thetruthaboutplas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/522-victory.jpg

haha he stepped in ****

Matt Schaub 50 point day lol

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:35 PM
Steelers just signed Plaxico. lol

and it comes full circle....

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:40 PM
i know, i hate when our RB who averages 4.5 a carry practices

i wish we would never play him

3.8 since that stat-padding game we were at.....lol

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:41 PM
i know, i hate when our RB who averages 4.5 a carry practices

i wish we would never play himDont care what his avg is. Last few games hes been horrible and its hurting the team

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:42 PM
Steelers just signed Plaxico. lol

and it comes full circle....A bit surprised no one signed him sooner.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:44 PM
haha he stepped in ****

Matt Schaub 50 point day lol

It was me beating MH....not whoever it was beating you. lol

Hence good vs. evil!!

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:44 PM
PS - Sarah Palin getting nods for 2016

#suicidedoubt it. Probably Rubio, and some new blood

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 12:44 PM
Guess I havent really noticed cuz i dont read much TAGF(It hurts my head).

I have nothing against Ham.....we didn't have enough room for him, he was going to be making much more than we were going to be able to pay him. All parties involved knew that.

I hate when fans expect players to take league minimum "on principle"....most ppl are stupid. lol
We're having an argument on another thread on Manningham. There are actually some folks (some great posters too) who actually think that Hixon is better than Manningham.
How quickly people forget.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:51 PM
A bit surprised no one signed him sooner.

actually, so am I....all the teams that worked him out say he's in great physical condition.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:54 PM
We're having an argument on another thread on Manningham. There are actually some folks (some great posters too) who actually think that Hixon is better than Manningham.
How quickly people forget.

I'd reply to them with a firm,"PSSSSSSSH"

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:56 PM
actually, so am I....all the teams that worked him out say he's in great physical condition.Prison will do that...

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 12:57 PM
doubt it. Probably Rubio, and some new blood

I'd like to think that at this point, the Republican party is going to be trying to distancing themselves from the crazies; one area that palin excells in.

that being said......they are really bad at doing that. lol

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:57 PM
I'd reply to them with a firm,"PSSSSSSSH"MH put most of them in their places, with a little help from so others. Seriously, wtf are some of those old timers thinking.

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 12:59 PM
not complaining, just didn't feel like hearing you and Moorehead's fox news input.And we dont feel like listening to what the ladies at the view told you this morning sooo its even. ;)

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 01:02 PM
I'd like to think that at this point, the Republican party is going to be trying to distancing themselves from the crazies; one area that palin excells in.

that being said......they are really bad at doing that. lolI dont think shes crazy at all. Shes very intelligent and still very attractive:p. The media trashes her every chance they get. And the whole baby thing with her daughter. If she cant control her daughter how can she run a country. I like her, just not presidential material, but hey neither were the last few presidents.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:03 PM
I'd like to think that at this point, the Republican party is going to be trying to distancing themselves from the crazies; one area that palin excells in.

that being said......they are really bad at doing that. lol
The favorite right now for 2016 is Christie. Rubio is a star in the GOP but I think he's better as a legislator than an executive. And an underdog is Scott Brown. He will end up as our governor by 2014 (unless John Kerry becomes Sec of State) and will be in a good spot for a run.
But ****ey is absolutely right. The GOP is shedding the nutjobs in the primaries. There will be more of a Libertarian tone to our party. Fiscal conservatism and social moderation.
After the Prez takes us over the fiscal cliff in 6 weeks, he will be a damaged leader. Expect huge gains in 2014 in the Congress.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:04 PM
I dont think shes crazy at all. Shes very intelligent and still very attractive:p. The media trashes her every chance they get. And the whole baby thing with her daughter. If she cant control her daughter how can she run a country. I like her, just not presidential material, but hey neither were the last few presidents.
She's a lightweight. she still knows nothing and the party has no interest in having her around. She's a right wing extremist and Its people like her that lost the election for us.

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 01:09 PM
The favorite right now for 2016 is Christie. Rubio is a star in the GOP but I think he's better as a legislator than an executive. And an underdog is Scott Brown. He will end up as our governor by 2014 (unless John Kerry becomes Sec of State) and will be in a good spot for a run.
But ****ey is absolutely right. The GOP is shedding the nutjobs in the primaries. There will be more of a Libertarian tone to our party. Fiscal conservatism and social moderation.
After the Prez takes us over the fiscal cliff in 6 weeks, he will be a damaged leader. Expect huge gains in 2014 in the Congress.Youre right, but I feel Rubio has more mass appeal. Better speaker, better looking (it matters jfk/nixon), and brings in the latino vote.

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:11 PM
Fiscal conservatism and social moderation.

This is what we need, I mean It's what I stand for clearly since I've been saying I'm a libertarian for a while now, but the old school social policies on abortion and birth control and religion are just that...old school...they are currently out of place...I've been saying that all along.

now cutting spending on humongously wasteful programs like the Affordable Health Care act, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc etc (and yes maybe even the military) is still something that HAS to happen....it's not a question of "if" it's a question of when...obviously it won't happen during Obama's rule, he's a one trick pony promise everything to everyone deliver nothing to no one and increase spending on everything....that's what he does.

but eventually our economy just won't be able to sustain itself...the cuts will come either because we recognize this...or because we simply no longer have the money to fund them.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:12 PM
Youre right, but I feel Rubio has more mass appeal. Better speaker, better looking (it matters jfk/nixon), and brings in the latino vote.
Christie has "it". He's the best politician in the country right now. The American people want straight talk right now, not the BS the Pres. is blowing up our asses.

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 01:16 PM
She's a lightweight. she still knows nothing and the party has no interest in having her around. She's a right wing extremist and Its people like her that lost the election for us.I dont think shes an extremist at all but shes def painted as one.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:16 PM
This is what we need, I mean It's what I stand for clearly since I've been saying I'm a libertarian for a while now, but the old school social policies on abortion and birth control and religion are just that...old school...they are currently out of place...I've been saying that all along.

now cutting spending on humongously wasteful programs like the Affordable Health Care act, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc etc (and yes maybe even the military) is still something that HAS to happen....it's not a question of "if" it's a question of when...obviously it won't happen during Obama's rule, he's a one trick pony promise everything to everyone deliver nothing to no one and increase spending on everything....that's what he does.

but eventually our economy just won't be able to sustain itself...the cuts will come either because we recognize this...or because we simply no longer have the money to fund them.
I don't see how we aren't going over the fiscal cliff. There are simply not the votes in the House for a tax rate hike on anyone. Those guys got elected too. Many would lose their seats if they voted for anything the President is proposing. Thats what people don't understand. Its not about Baehner and Obama. They can agree on whatever they want. The House (and even the Senate) would have an impossible time passing rate hikes in a slow economy.
The arrogance in the White House never ceases to amaze me. they are very good at getting elected, bad at governing.

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:18 PM
Christie has "it". He's the best politician in the country right now. The American people want straight talk right now, not the BS the Pres. is blowing up our asses.

does the public understand that the Pres. is BSing right now though Morehead? I think the election goes to show that the slight majority of our country literally does not understand this.

nearly everyone I know who voted for Obama voted for him for reasons that they would have been better off voting for Romney.

want to help the poor? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want to help the elderly? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want less warmongering? Romney not Obama was better for that.
women's rights? middle class etc etc etc.

like literally everything Matt talks about...all the reasons he voted for Obama (if he voted :P) were better represented by Romney...the things matt wanted would have be easier to get with Romney at the helm, unfortunately for and for our country Matt (and most people like him) simple never could understand that, they were blinded by propaganda.

the problem isn't that we need a better candidate Morehead...we need a more informed electorate.

people vote on commercials now...on false promises, not real information.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:18 PM
I dont think shes an extremist at all but shes def painted as one.
She is painted as one..that's true. But as a guy who wrote in her name for President in 2008, I can tell you that she is very disappointing. She holds these stupid hyper conservative social views which have been completely rejected by the American people.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:21 PM
does the public understand that the Pres. is BSing right now though Morehead? I think the election goes to show that the slight majority of our country literally does not understand this.

nearly everyone I know who voted for Obama voted for him for reasons that they would have been better off voting for Romney.

want to help the poor? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want to help the elderly? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want less warmongering? Romney not Obama was better for that.
women's rights? middle class etc etc etc.

like literally everything Matt talks about...all the reasons he voted for Obama (if he voted :P) we better represented by Romney...the things matt wanted would have be easier to get with Romney at the helm.

the problem isn't that we need a better candidate Morehead...we need a more informed electorate.

people vote on commercials now...on false promises, not real information.
I said it before the election. Its ironic that those who supported Obama the most, young people, are the ones who are going to be left paying the tab for his policies.
Guys like me have saved our money and will be fine. And the rich will ALWAYS be fine. They know how to work the system. But a $20 trillion debt will come due. And not long from now. Guess who's going to be left holding the bag?

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 01:40 PM
I dont think shes an extremist at all but shes def painted as one.

she absolutely is, and shes absolutely ****ing RUH-TAR-Ded. like, worse than Bush jr.

how people can even elect people liek that is beyond me. im sorry, but you should have a genius IQ to run a country, not someone who makes me look like albert friggin einstein.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 01:42 PM
(and yes maybe even the military)

DAVEN!!! Something we agree on!!! lol

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:44 PM
she absolutely is, and shes absolutely ****ing RUH-TAR-Ded. like, worse than Bush jr.

how people can even elect people liek that is beyond me. im sorry, but you should have a genius IQ to run a country, not someone who makes me look like albert friggin einstein.

IQ doesn't really mean anything honestly, it's more about your attitude your core beliefs and the people you surround yourself, no one regardless of "IQ" can know everything.

Also how do you know Palin doesn't have an astoundingly high IQ? Bush did...everyone though he was an idiot.

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:45 PM
DAVEN!!! Something we agree on!!! lol

I've said this like 20 times on this thread and in person before...

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 01:46 PM
But a $20 trillion debt will come due. And not long from now. Guess who's going to be left holding the bag?

As long as you are an American taxpayer....you.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 01:47 PM
IQ doesn't really mean anything honestly, it's more about your attitude your core beliefs and the people you surround yourself, no one regardless of "IQ" can know everything.

Also how do you know Palin doesn't have an astoundingly high IQ? Bush did...everyone though he was an idiot.

I'm willign to bet it took bush til he was 12 to learn how to do something like tie his damn shoes.

He's like the walking example of why politicians need handlers.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 01:48 PM
I've said this like 20 times on this thread and in person before...

lol, i know, but i'll read your posts, and then find something that we have the same opinion on, and i have to mention it lol

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:49 PM
As long as you are an American taxpayer....you.

No, mostly it's our generation Pezz....that's what he's getting at, Morehead will be retired and living off mostly tax free income...he's already set....you and me the guys saving for our retirement and the guys who will have to pay for our kids schools etc etc.

we will be the ones hit by all this debt...not the 50-55+ club.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:52 PM
As long as you are an American taxpayer....you.
I'm 54 Piz. I'm winding down my taxpaying days. Thats my point. There will be long term pain when that bill comes due. Its already come due in Greece, Spain, Purtugal and Italy. Eventually it will get to France and the U.K. Austerity is the only option down the road. I'm not stupid enough to presume that SS will be there for us, even though we've already qualified for the max. We've prepared.
So no Piz...it's NOT me......It's you.

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm willign to bet it took bush til he was 12 to learn how to do something like tie his damn shoes.

He's like the walking example of why politicians need handlers.
I think W was a bad President. But I also think he was a highly intelligent man. But he plunged us into a foolheardy war in Iraq and gave us an unfunded Medicare part D burden.

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 01:58 PM
I'm willign to bet it took bush til he was 12 to learn how to do something like tie his damn shoes.

He's like the walking example of why politicians need handlers.

you would lose a lot of money then Pezz, Bush is likely as smart if not smarter then you and I, but on top of that did you know that truly smart people, the smartest people we have...make terrible politicians?

why? well it's actually quite interesting why but I'm going to just link you to the article instead of giving you the TL/DR

http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/bush/bush-iq-myth.html

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 02:10 PM
I think W was a bad President. But I also think he was a highly intelligent man. But he plunged us into a foolheardy war in Iraq and gave us an unfunded Medicare part D burden.We got rid of a ruthless dictator and replaced him with a somewhat functional government. Sectarian violence is way down. Imagine we never invaded, there would be a nuclear arms race between Iraq and Iran with two tyrannical dictators leading both countries. We should have finished what we started during the first Gulf War, when the whole world supported us 110%. Anyway, imo the worlds a better place without Saddam

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 02:15 PM
you would lose a lot of money then Pezz, Bush is likely as smart if not smarter then you and I, but on top of that did you know that truly smart people, the smartest people we have...make terrible politicians?

why? well it's actually quite interesting why but I'm going to just link you to the article instead of giving you the TL/DR

http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/bush/bush-iq-myth.html

lol fine...hes got the IQ, but in this case, that tells me nothing.

I know im not alone on this....there are 2 ppl in the past 20 years that I looked at, and thought "why in the holy hell are we letting people like this run for office?!?!!"
Dubya, and Palin.

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 02:17 PM
lol fine...hes got the IQ.

I know im not alone on this....there are 2 ppl in the past 20 years that I looked at, and thought "why in the holy hell are we letting people like this run for office?!?!!"
Dubya, and Palin.Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo didnt cross your mind??

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 02:18 PM
Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo didnt cross your mind??

I didn't vote for any of them, but yes, Pelosi makes the list. lol

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 02:33 PM
I didn't vote for any of them, but yes, Pelosi makes the list. lol

Many times they are instructed by their advisers to look and sound stupid Pezz...because many times they are meeting and talking to stupid people and they want those people to be able to "relate" to them, that way they'll get their votes.

notice how most politicians running for office will also change their accent/dialect to match where they are speaking?

for example speaking with a southern drawl when talking in the south or a more Bostonian? accent up in Boston.

Bush looked like an idiot because his advisers told him the best way to win votes was to act like "the common man" or "someone you would have a beer with" so that's what he did...and it made him look stupid to you and me Pezz but to A LOT of people across America he reminded them of a friend so to speak and that actually prompted them to vote for him...consciously or unconsciously.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 02:55 PM
Many times they are instructed by their advisers to look and sound stupid Pezz...because many times they are meeting and talking to stupid people and they want those people to be able to "relate" to them, that way they'll get their votes.

notice how most politicians running for office will also change their accent/dialect to match where they are speaking?

for example speaking with a southern drawl when talking in the south or a more Bostonian? accent up in Boston.

Bush looked like an idiot because his advisers told him the best way to win votes was to act like "the common man" or "someone you would have a beer with" so that's what he did...and it made him look stupid to you and me Pezz but to A LOT of people across America he reminded them of a friend so to speak and that actually prompted them to vote for him...consciously or unconsciously.

wow, republican politicians really are stupid....lol

edit - i just really need to get this stuff out of my system....but honestly, I doubt I'll stop =P

DavenIII
11-20-2012, 03:13 PM
wow, republican politicians really are stupid....lol

edit - i just really need to get this stuff out of my system....but honestly, I doubt I'll stop =P

Democrats do it too, you ever hear Obama's speeches in predominately black/religious southern area's? so much ebonics it's crazy, literally sounds like a thug at times, but when he's outside of that and on TV he speaks eloquently in most occasions because he knows whose watching what.

Hilary Clinton did the same thing...listening to her try to pull off a southern drawl with a splash of ebonics is literally one of the funniest thing I've heard in years.

Pezz if your really interested in this point look up "code-switching" that's what they call this....and ALL politicians and generally all people do it.

I talk differently to my Boss at work then I do to my friends when I'm hanging out, the point is Obama is better at sounding like his audience then Romney for example.

to me that doesn't mean anything but to the electorate(aka voters) over all it matters A LOT, in fact Obama's ability to sound like his audience is probably more important to him getting elected then any of his actual policies to be honest..

nobody seems to care about policies anymore.

Bush got elected because "you could drink a beer with him"
Obama got re-elected because "he's a cool dude"

it sounds absolutely ******ed...and is ******ed....but that doesn't change the fact that it's still true.

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 04:16 PM
Bush got elected because "you could drink a beer with him"
Obama got re-elected because "he's a cool dude"


fuuuuuck that!!! lol

I would get ****faced with my buddies and verbally destroy someone like Bush =P

JPizzack
11-20-2012, 04:16 PM
gotta go. later

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:28 PM
3.8 since that stat-padding game we were at.....lol

actually, its been a little over 4.0 a carry while facing two of the roughest rush defense teams in the league....

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:41 PM
Dont care what his avg is. Last few games hes been horrible and its hurting the team

thats pretty inaccurate and ridiculous. Bradshaw got hurt midway through the third quarter, which is why his numbers were bad. But he had an average of 5.7 a carry for the game, and if u want to take away that last drive in which he put up 23 yards rushing, he still was averaging like 4.8-4.9 a carry.

Let alone doing a good job blocking and pass catching. Fumble was brutal - but fumbles happen. It was killer but your not going to get rid of a vet that carries your team at times because he spit the pit in a game you got blown out in.

And if you want to talk about the PIttsburgh game, well then I guess Ray Rice should be replaced, because he got shut down vs the Ravens as well.

How bout the OLine, how come nobody is talkiung about them? I see alot of extra yards coming out of BRadshaw, OLine has more to answer for than he does.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:43 PM
doubt it. Probably Rubio, and some new blood

its painful to even see anybody in your party suggest her name.

Republicans have learned nothing from this election.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:45 PM
We're having an argument on another thread on Manningham. There are actually some folks (some great posters too) who actually think that Hixon is better than Manningham.
How quickly people forget.


as a Hixon guy, Manningham was def better - but to keep Mario was not a move we could or should of afforded. I think Randle has a bigger ceiling than he does. Going to San Fran will ruin him

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:48 PM
I'd like to think that at this point, the Republican party is going to be trying to distancing themselves from the crazies; one area that palin excells in.

that being said......they are really bad at doing that. lol

that battle hasn't been faught yet. There is definitly a percentage of republicans who are going to try and distance themselves, but the fact is that there is a large loud portion of them that DONT consider themselves to be the crazies.

It will be interesting to see the divide and who wins.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:49 PM
And we dont feel like listening to what the ladies at the view told you this morning sooo its even. ;)



ha the difference is you actually watch Fox News

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:50 PM
And we dont feel like listening to what the ladies at the view told you this morning sooo its even. ;)

and apparently you watch The View.

I don't know about anybody else, but I had no clue that show had politics in it

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:54 PM
The favorite right now for 2016 is Christie. Rubio is a star in the GOP but I think he's better as a legislator than an executive. And an underdog is Scott Brown. He will end up as our governor by 2014 (unless John Kerry becomes Sec of State) and will be in a good spot for a run.
But ****ey is absolutely right. The GOP is shedding the nutjobs in the primaries. There will be more of a Libertarian tone to our party. Fiscal conservatism and social moderation.
After the Prez takes us over the fiscal cliff in 6 weeks, he will be a damaged leader. Expect huge gains in 2014 in the Congress.

sometimes I like Christie, but then other times i don't.

I like the balls he shows on things like legalizing gambling - but then he turns around and says he wouldn't legalize weed because of the federal laws. TOTALLY contradicting.

The Jersey Boy boardwalk thing, is obnoxious to hear about. THe guy tries too hard to be tough thats annoying.

But I actually love that hes a believer in global warming (pre hurricane sandy too) and the hell hes putting teachers through.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 04:55 PM
She's a lightweight. she still knows nothing and the party has no interest in having her around. She's a right wing extremist and Its people like her that lost the election for us.

haha im so happy you see that moorehead. Sometimes I feel like you go abit republican extremist and then u say conscious things like that.

And PS - I don't think Christie will ever get the nod. I think it will come back to haunt him in the primaries. They are going to try and pin this loss on him.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:12 PM
This is what we need, I mean It's what I stand for clearly since I've been saying I'm a libertarian for a while now, but the old school social policies on abortion and birth control and religion are just that...old school...they are currently out of place...I've been saying that all along.

now cutting spending on humongously wasteful programs like the Affordable Health Care act, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc etc (and yes maybe even the military) is still something that HAS to happen....it's not a question of "if" it's a question of when...obviously it won't happen during Obama's rule, he's a one trick pony promise everything to everyone deliver nothing to no one and increase spending on everything....that's what he does.

but eventually our economy just won't be able to sustain itself...the cuts will come either because we recognize this...or because we simply no longer have the money to fund them.

I find it hard to get passed anybody's social policies that are still against gay marriage, abortion, or those that try to bring Church into the state.

Military most DEFINITLY needs to be cut. Thats where i don't get why you were so pro-romney. The guy wanted to go back to 1970's military.

And honestly, its so annoying to hear you take that stance on Obama's spending. We can all have our opinions on what would work and what would of happened, and how effective different tactics may of been. None of us are economists, we are all buying somebody else's bull****. Truth is you have no clue, what they would have done or how it would o fbeen. Hell we don't even know how Obama's plan is going to actualy effect our country for the long haul. This idea that there was some quick fix or turn around that could have happened is denial. This financial downfall was in the works for too many years.

Either way it seems to come down to one thing: OBama won't sign a compromise that has breaks for those who make 250k total and republicans won't accept that. And if thats how it is, then thats how it is. It will be a tough 2013

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:13 PM
Christie has "it". He's the best politician in the country right now. The American people want straight talk right now, not the BS the Pres. is blowing up our asses.

like I said i don't mind him, but your giving him WAYYYY too much credit.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:14 PM
I dont think shes an extremist at all but shes def painted as one.

i guess we know which side of the republican party you'll be standing with

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:21 PM
does the public understand that the Pres. is BSing right now though Morehead? I think the election goes to show that the slight majority of our country literally does not understand this.

nearly everyone I know who voted for Obama voted for him for reasons that they would have been better off voting for Romney.

want to help the poor? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want to help the elderly? Romney not Obama was better for that.
want less warmongering? Romney not Obama was better for that.
women's rights? middle class etc etc etc.

like literally everything Matt talks about...all the reasons he voted for Obama (if he voted :P) were better represented by Romney...the things matt wanted would have be easier to get with Romney at the helm, unfortunately for and for our country Matt (and most people like him) simple never could understand that, they were blinded by propaganda.

the problem isn't that we need a better candidate Morehead...we need a more informed electorate.

people vote on commercials now...on false promises, not real information.

i just find it hilarious some of the stances your taking in this post.

The poor? Is this the same guy who said most people receiving help from the government are con artists? You kill Obama for "handing out" money. But somehow Romney would do THOSE people better?

Womens rights? are you out of your ****ing mind lol. What about being against Abortion would be FOr women? Getting rid of planned parenthood (it isn't just to abort babies, alot of women actually use that place), passing those conscious protection laws? I mean how is that FOR women in ANY way. Don't go on any other tangent - just answer that one.

Warmongering? LOL. Stop it now. Your boy Romney wants to sink more money in the military and expressed that in almost every debate. Im sure he wants to do that so that just so he can collect those battleships.

Im as guilty of "buying the propaganda" as you are of "buying the spin"

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:23 PM
I said it before the election. Its ironic that those who supported Obama the most, young people, are the ones who are going to be left paying the tab for his policies.
Guys like me have saved our money and will be fine. And the rich will ALWAYS be fine. They know how to work the system. But a $20 trillion debt will come due. And not long from now. Guess who's going to be left holding the bag?

The RIch will always be fine pappy - and that is the point.

And you can make that case, just like I can make the case for all those hicks who vote against themselves when they vote republican.

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:25 PM
I said it before the election. Its ironic that those who supported Obama the most, young people, are the ones who are going to be left paying the tab for his policies.
Guys like me have saved our money and will be fine. And the rich will ALWAYS be fine. They know how to work the system. But a $20 trillion debt will come due. And not long from now. Guess who's going to be left holding the bag?

and as we've all said before, where we are at economically right now, goes FAR beyond Obama and Bush.

Me and Daven's era were always the ones that we're going to foot this bill for the rest of our lives regardless of who was elected in 2008

MattMeyerBud
11-20-2012, 05:27 PM
and another point about Mitt vs Obama when it comes to WOMAN, PAycheck Fairness Act. Now stop it

byron
11-20-2012, 05:48 PM
I find it hard to get passed anybody's social policies that are still against gay marriage, abortion, or those that try to bring Church into the state.

Military most DEFINITLY needs to be cut. Thats where i don't get why you were so pro-romney. The guy wanted to go back to 1970's military.

And honestly, its so annoying to hear you take that stance on Obama's spending. We can all have our opinions on what would work and what would of happened, and how effective different tactics may of been. None of us are economists, we are all buying somebody else's bull****. Truth is you have no clue, what they would have done or how it would o fbeen. Hell we don't even know how Obama's plan is going to actualy effect our country for the long haul. This idea that there was some quick fix or turn around that could have happened is denial. This financial downfall was in the works for too many years.

Either way it seems to come down to one thing: OBama won't sign a compromise that has breaks for those who make 250k total and republicans won't accept that. And if thats how it is, then thats how it is. It will be a tough 2013 good stuff Matt this mess we are in was created by both partys over a long period of time lets start with nafta and "I did not have sexual relations with that women" Clinton....These politians need to work together plain and simple do their ****ing jobs ! Revenues come through taxes and revenues need to be increased its time to meet in the middle and come up with a fair plan for all Americans now! not down the ****ing road NOW ! good to see you around here man !

byron
11-20-2012, 05:51 PM
and another point about Mitt vs Obama when it comes to WOMAN, PAycheck Fairness Act. Now stop it they are so far out of touch with the american workers its unbelivable.....

byron
11-20-2012, 05:54 PM
The RIch will always be fine pappy - and that is the point.

And you can make that case, just like I can make the case for all those hicks who vote against themselves when they vote republican. the rich make the system until they are knocked down notch nothing is going to change......

Morehead State
11-20-2012, 05:55 PM
and another point about Mitt vs Obama when it comes to WOMAN, PAycheck Fairness Act. Now stop it
Paycheck Fairness.........You have no idea what that bill is. There are already laws on the books that prevent discrimination against women in the workforce, including pay.
This bill is different.
It forces employers to have to prove that they DIDN'T discriminate which is almost impossible to do. It shifted the burden of proof. So when an employer has two possible candidates, a man and a woman, who do you think they will hire?
Its women who get hurt the most by that bill.
Don't buy the propaganda.

byron
11-20-2012, 05:55 PM
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dezzzR
11-20-2012, 06:24 PM
i guess we know which side of the republican party you'll be standing withHow is she an extremist?

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 06:25 PM
its painful to even see anybody in your party suggest her name.

Republicans have learned nothing from this election.Her?

dezzzR
11-20-2012, 06:34 PM
thats pretty inaccurate and ridiculous. Bradshaw got hurt midway through the third quarter, which is why his numbers were bad. But he had an average of 5.7 a carry for the game, and if u want to take away that last drive in which he put up 23 yards rushing, he still was averaging like 4.8-4.9 a carry.

Let alone doing a good job blocking and pass catching. Fumble was brutal - but fumbles happen. It was killer but your not going to get rid of a vet that carries your team at times because he spit the pit in a game you got blown out in.

And if you want to talk about the PIttsburgh game, well then I guess Ray Rice should be replaced, because he got shut down vs the Ravens as well.

How bout the OLine, how come nobody is talkiung about them? I see alot of extra yards coming out of Bradshaw, OLine has more to answer for than he does.Bradshaw carries the team ?!? Come on man, I love AB but hes **** right now. Rest him, let him get better for the playoffs. Brown is more than capable of filling in, perhaps might be better than Bradshaw.

byron
11-20-2012, 11:10 PM
bradshaw has a big game this week.... I got a feeling a feeling deep inside oh-yeah......time to get behind the boys they can do it , and we all have ****ing seen it...Go Giants !!!!!!!!!!

































































http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9HTsW2aWBU&feature=related

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 08:44 AM
i just find it hilarious some of the stances your taking in this post.

The poor? Is this the same guy who said most people receiving help from the government are con artists? You kill Obama for "handing out" money. But somehow Romney would do THOSE people better?

Womens rights? are you out of your ****ing mind lol. What about being against Abortion would be FOr women? Getting rid of planned parenthood (it isn't just to abort babies, alot of women actually use that place), passing those conscious protection laws? I mean how is that FOR women in ANY way. Don't go on any other tangent - just answer that one.

Warmongering? LOL. Stop it now. Your boy Romney wants to sink more money in the military and expressed that in almost every debate. Im sure he wants to do that so that just so he can collect those battleships.

Im as guilty of "buying the propaganda" as you are of "buying the spin"

This post of Daven's I didnt even warrant with a response. it was prob the WORST **** he's ever posted. lol

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 09:23 AM
I find it hard to get passed anybody's social policies that are still against gay marriage, abortion, or those that try to bring Church into the state.



I have the same POV. it's hard to get past, and I find it all infuriating....

When ppl like you and I say something liek that though, republican voters jsut call us uneducated voters....their defense mechanism for being people who don't care about people.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 09:36 AM
I find it hard to get passed anybody's social policies that are still against gay marriage, abortion, or those that try to bring Church into the state.

As a libertarian I'm against government involvement in any of these areas, that said none of these things are as important to me as our economy, lets make sure people have jobs and have a high standard of living before we decide to tackle questions like abortion or gay marriage...


Military most DEFINITLY needs to be cut. Thats where i don't get why you were so pro-romney. The guy wanted to go back to 1970's military.

First off I was never "pro" Romney, I was always "anti" Obama go back and read my posts...I said over and over again that I didn't like him but felt as though I "had" to vote for him because I knew the alternative was worse...far worse. Yes I can see places where the Military needs to be cut, but I mean...Israel, our ally, is getting bombed on a daily basis by Palestine....I mean yes we spend too much on the military but the way we use our military we have to...you can't make broad sweeping cuts and continue to have the same type of policies...also, Romney and Obama are both similar in that respect...Obama "talks" a weak military game...but remember it was his decision to go into Afghanistan.




And honestly, its so annoying to hear you take that stance on Obama's spending. We can all have our opinions on what would work and what would of happened, and how effective different tactics may of been. None of us are economists, we are all buying somebody else's bull****. Truth is you have no clue, what they would have done or how it would o fbeen. Hell we don't even know how Obama's plan is going to actualy effect our country for the long haul. This idea that there was some quick fix or turn around that could have happened is denial. This financial downfall was in the works for too many years.

The financial downfall was in the works before Obama took office, I agree with you there, the problem is this is not the first time our country has been through this type of recession, I'm a big proponent of learning from the past Matt...in previous recessions our government has tried to "spend" our way out of it through "stimulus" like plans....I'm not going to deny that there is some solid science behind the theory, but we've tried it before on numerous occasions every time all it did was prolong the recession, why is Obama trying to solve a common problem with a tried and false method...we've tried this before, it never works and in fact always harms the country...why is he doing whats been proven to NOT work....if he was trying something different something new I wouldn't have the problems I do with him, there is that and then there's the fact that he keeps flat out LYING about it getting better...he literally changed the way unemployment figures are counted...he simply stopped counting people so that his numbers would look better.




Either way it seems to come down to one thing: OBama won't sign a compromise that has breaks for those who make 250k total and republicans won't accept that. And if thats how it is, then thats how it is. It will be a tough 2013

Obama is promoting class warfare Matt, the people (most of which are businesses not people) making over 250K did nothing "wrong" they do not deserve to be "punished" how much of their money should the be allowed to keep matt? right now they are already being taxed for 50% of their money...you know this is true...don't give me the bull crap that they get taxed at a lower rate...you know that's not true and if you don't you are just stupid...and I don't think you are stupid.

Republicans want tax breaks for EVERYONE and they want the largest tax breaks for the middle class...the republicans are actually on your side Matt, the Democrates want to spend more on stimulus and one social programs..in order to accomplish that they have to raise taxes on everyone...you included matt.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 10:00 AM
i just find it hilarious some of the stances your taking in this post.

The poor? Is this the same guy who said most people receiving help from the government are con artists? You kill Obama for "handing out" money. But somehow Romney would do THOSE people better?

Yes, because there is only so much money to hand out, Obama and the Dem's in general don't care who it's going to, the Republicans would look into these "con-artists" which there are MANY of to eliminate waste in the system so that the people who REALLY need it get it, the problem is you are looking at his comments out of context, he's specifically saying that the people gaming the system are con artists...not the people who actually need the help, eliminating the waste only helps the people who need these systems more...without doing so these social programs that you care so much about will literally fall a part...this is not a scare tactic..they will literally run out of funding if something isn't done, the republicans want to do something about it, the dems don't not because they don't think it's going to fail..they know it's going to fail...they don't CARE, they just want re-election.



Womens rights? are you out of your ****ing mind lol. What about being against Abortion would be FOr women? Getting rid of planned parenthood (it isn't just to abort babies, alot of women actually use that place), passing those conscious protection laws? I mean how is that FOR women in ANY way. Don't go on any other tangent - just answer that one.

The Abortion issue is a red herring matt....you know that, whether they are for or against abortion nothing can be done about that, it's a supreme court issue and Roe vs Wade is not going anywhere, this "issue" is not even an issue, on the other hand the republicans are actually pushing harder for equal treatment of women in the work place and also they are trying to save these social programs you are so against....also since Obama care is a BAD thing for everyone when it comes to health care (you don't understand that yet you will though) since the republicans were trying to repeal that that is also pro women (and everyone)


Warmongering? LOL. Stop it now. Your boy Romney wants to sink more money in the military and expressed that in almost every debate. Im sure he wants to do that so that just so he can collect those battleships.

Romney was never "my boy" Ron Paul was, and he was the only canidate who really wants to cut the military, don't forget Obama has been and plans to continue spending more on the Military, he's kept Guantanamo open, he's entered into more conflicts ... he "says" he is anti war and wants to cut military spending but his actions prove otherwise.



Im as guilty of "buying the propaganda" as you are of "buying the spin"

Propaganda and spin are the same thing and it's my opinion that you are the only one in this conversation that's buying into anything.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 10:02 AM
the rich make the system until they are knocked down notch nothing is going to change......

I disagree with this byron, knocking the rich down will only hurt this country further, the Rich are always going to be fine...if "america" becomes hostile to the rich people who live here (most of which own or run companies) they will just leave...and the jobs they create (and they do create jobs) will leave with them.

a war against the rich is a war against everyone who lives in this country because right now the rich are the people supporting this country more then anyone else.

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 10:08 AM
I disagree with this byron, the knocking the rich down will only hurt this country further, the Rich are always going to be fine...if "america" becomes hostile to the rich people who live here (most of which own or run companies) they will just leave...and the jobs they create (and they do create jobs) will leave with them.

a war against the rich is a war against everyone who lives in this country because right now the rich are the people supporting this country more then anyone else.

"The rich" are small business owners who employ 65% of working Americans.

These guys think that they are wall street tycoons who where top hats and monocles. The "hate the rich" campaign worked in this election. People love to blame someone else for their problems and the Dem's gave the masses their boogie man. (or men)
Voters are gullible .

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 10:12 AM
I have the same POV. it's hard to get past, and I find it all infuriating....

When ppl like you and I say something liek that though, republican voters jsut call us uneducated voters....their defense mechanism for being people who don't care about people.No, ubber Christians do that. Honestly I could give a **** less about any of those situations because I dont see them as real political problems. Its just a load of crap to fire up bases and smoke screens to take your eyes off the real issues. Youre uneducated if you think Roevs wade can be over turned.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 10:17 AM
"The rich" are small business owners who employ 65% of working Americans.

These guys think that they are wall street tycoons who where top hats and monocles. The "hate the rich" campaign worked in this election. People love to blame someone else for their problems and the Dem's gave the masses their boogie man. (or men)
Voters are gullible .

Scare tactics from the left definitely played a large role in this election no doubt.

whether it was the "hate the rich" or "The republicans want to kill your grandma" or the "binders full of women" (aka Repub's hate women campaign) it seems like they all were believed to a significant extent....which is really, really sad.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 10:50 AM
Scare tactics from the left definitely played a large role in this election no doubt.

whether it was the "hate the rich" or "The republicans want to kill your grandma" or the "binders full of women" (aka Repub's hate women campaign) it seems like they all were believed to a significant extent....which is really, really sad.

what's really sad is that people dont consider equality, rights, and freedoms "real issues"....

"Hate the rich" isn't spin......it's more like "make the rich do their part".....which they dont.

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 11:03 AM
what's really sad is that people dont consider equality, rights, and freedoms "real issues"....

"Hate the rich" isn't spin......it's more like "make the rich do their part".....which they dont.What equality, rights and freedoms are you talking about? This isnt the 1950's.

Iv said this before, if you make 250k as a business owner a year, youre not rich, far from it. You still have to pay overhead. And understand this Mr. ****, if Obama get his tax on the rich, it will only be enough to run the gov for 8 days!!! Its really scary that a man who couldnt even get one single dem to vote for his budget is in charge of all this.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 11:07 AM
what's really sad is that people dont consider equality, rights, and freedoms "real issues"....

"Hate the rich" isn't spin......it's more like "make the rich do their part".....which they dont.

It is spin because the rich do more then they should already, they already give more then half of their income to us, they create the jobs for us they still find a way to give huge amounts of money to charities.

rich people (and companies) support this country, without them we would be in a sad state...

what do they get for that? they are hated by people who don't even understand why they hate them.

equality,rights,freedoms? we have those...they are being taken away from us by BOTH sides of government, Democratic and Republican equally.

you are arguing for SMALL government...smaller the government the more freedoms and rights we have and yet you are supporting the BIG government party although admittedly the Republicans have been growing government recently also

that's what bothers me Pezz...you are saying you want something...but supporting the people who are in direct confrontation of the thing you want.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 11:11 AM
It is spin because the rich do more then they should already, they already give more then half of their income to us, they create the jobs for us they still find a way to give huge amounts of money to charities.

rich people (and companies) support this country, without them we would be in a sad state...

what do they get for that? they are hated by people who don't even understand why they hate them.

equality,rights,freedoms? we have those...they are being taken away from us by BOTH sides of government, Democratic and Republican equally.

you are arguing for SMALL government...smaller the government the more freedoms and rights we have and yet you are supporting the BIG government party although admittedly the Republicans have been growing government recently also

that's what bothers me Pezz...you are saying you want something...but supporting the people who are in direct confrontation of the thing you want.

I'm talking about the social issues, AND THEN i commented on your "hate the rich" comment....not related.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 11:19 AM
I'm talking about the social issues, AND THEN i commented on your "hate the rich" comment....not related.

I responded to both Pezz.

our constitution sets up our government as a "restrictive" entity, it can only tell you want you "can't do" not what you "can" do.

the "smaller" our government the less they can take from you.

freedoms, rights, equality....those things are all inherent...they are not given to us by the government they are given to us simply because we exist! the government can not GIVE you a right they can not GIVE you a freedom or even make something "equal" all they can do is remove those things, and in the case of like say "murder" that is a "right" or "freedom" NO ONE should have so I'm all for them taking that away from us.

but you have to understand rights and freedoms are things we already possess just by being alive...the only thing the government can do is take them away from us, the bigger the government becomes the more they will take away.

the Dem's are the party of BIG government...they "act" like they are trying to help people...but they are not doing that, they are collecting as much power as possible..they want to control every aspect of your life, the Republicans USED to be small government...and I'm praying they go back to that...because that's where true freedom and equality come from.

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Who saw sons last night? Real good.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 11:32 AM
Who saw sons last night? Real good.

Not yet. Cant wait though. 90 mins, right?

byron
11-21-2012, 11:34 AM
"The rich" are small business owners who employ 65% of working Americans.

These guys think that they are wall street tycoons who where top hats and monocles. The "hate the rich" campaign worked in this election. People love to blame someone else for their problems and the Dem's gave the masses their boogie man. (or men)
Voters are gullible . maybe we need some numbers on who is rich and who is not does it start with an income of 250,000 ? where? I ran a small business for 25 years signed many contracts with the banks....never had a full time employee...I did subcontract a lot of people over the years, plumbers ,drywall guys ,electricians, ect.. all of these guys were like me, some father and son teams and such...self employed business owners....that's small business to me....While the business was good to me I'm a long way from being rich....I made a decent living saved a little money that's all ...while this last collapse of banks and such didn't put most of the guys I used out it sure hurt their bank accounts....
So forgive me for not being clear i my previous post about the rich ....I don't give two ****s about politics and I don't have to be told to dislike the rich... I've dealt with a few and they are the worst to work with... imo....and that's a whole other subject...but whatever you go ahead and judge people call them uneducated gullible fools if you want......I can tell you this the rich have been lining their pockets of the backs and lives of these same people forever with little care about their problems....There is a whole world of American workers out there MH many struggling to feed their families on the wages these rich cats pay .....these politians need to be locked in a room till they come up with a compromised plans that are good for all the people of this country....do their jobs ....

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Not yet. Cant wait though. 90 mins, right?Yea it was good. ****s about to get real.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 11:51 AM
maybe we need some numbers on who is rich and who is not does it start with an income of 250,000 ? where? I ran a small business for 25 years signed many contracts with the banks....never had a full time employee...I did subcontract a lot of people over the years, plumbers ,drywall guys ,electricians, ect.. all of these guys were like me, some father and son teams and such...self employed business owners....that's small business to me....While the business was good to me I'm a long way from being rich....I made a decent living saved a little money that's all ...while this last collapse of banks and such didn't put most of the guys I used out it sure hurt their bank accounts....
So forgive me for not being clear i my previous post about the rich ....I don't give two ****s about politics and I don't have to be told to dislike the rich... I've dealt with a few and they are the worst to work with... imo....and that's a whole other subject...but whatever you go ahead and judge people call them uneducated gullible fools if you want......I can tell you this the rich have been lining their pockets of the backs and lives of these same people forever with little care about their problems....There is a whole world of American workers out there MH many struggling to feed their families on the wages these rich cats pay .....these politians need to be locked in a room till they come up with a compromised plans that are good for all the people of this country....do their jobs ....

^ lawyered.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 11:51 AM
The problem Byron, is that the government right now is trying to tell you that because your business made more gross money then most employee's make gross (without having to pay for contractors and overhead) that YOU are rich. it's not that you guys are uneducated, you simple aren't understanding what we are saying, what we are saying Byron...is that we don't think someone like you who runs your own small business should be considered rich...hated by people and punished through increased taxation.

if you ran a small business like that Byron then you know how wrong it is to tax people who are running small business that are making 250k a year.

I don't know how much your business made...but lets assume you made 150-160k gross a year running your business, net take home you probably took home what 50-60k of that? after paying for materials for your workers, etc etc
Granted I'm just spit-balling numbers here...

but if you are being taxed as though you make 160k instead of 60k does that make sense?

these people being taxed on 250K.... the MAJORITY of that 250k is already going to employee's to contractors to other types of overhead...they are only really taking home a minority of that money...and yet...even that is apparently too much.

the proposed tax increases spit in the faces of anyone trying to run their own small business, why is our government discouraging small business, that's what I want to know.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Yea it was good. ****s about to get real.

They don't cover the Juice issue yet do they? The previous episode led me to beleive they would hold off on that.

ehh nevermind...dont tell me anything. lol

byron
11-21-2012, 12:02 PM
The problem Byron, is that the government right now is trying to tell you that because your business made more gross money then most employee's make gross (without having to pay for contractors and overhead) that YOU are rich. it's not that you guys are uneducated, you simple aren't understanding what we are saying, what we are saying Byron...is that we don't think someone like you who runs your own small business should be considered rich...hated by people and punished through increased taxation.

if you ran a small business like that Byron then you know how wrong it is to tax people who are running small business that are making 250k a year.

I don't know how much your business made...but lets assume you made 150-160k gross a year running your business, net take home you probably took home what 50-60k of that? after paying for materials for your workers, etc etc
Granted I'm just spit-balling numbers here...

but if you are being taxed as though you make 160k instead of 60k does that make sense?

these people being taxed on 250K.... the MAJORITY of that 250k is already going to employee's to contractors to other types of overhead...they are only really taking home a minority of that money...and yet...even that is apparently too much.

the proposed tax increases spit in the faces of anyone trying to run their own small business, why is our government discouraging small business, that's what I want to know. are you telling me they are going to tax people on there gross before tax right offs !.....come on man!!!

is all spin ,bull ,scare tactics....stop being gullible man !








just playing man... hang on for the ride it will be alright if not well then it won't ....and the dollar won't be worth any thing and we'll all be broke

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 12:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSGhasyHhY
this little girl is awesome

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 12:28 PM
what's really sad is that people dont consider equality, rights, and freedoms "real issues"....

"Hate the rich" isn't spin......it's more like "make the rich do their part".....which they dont.
They don't? The top 2% pay much more than half the taxes.
From where do you get the claim that they don't pay what they should? Oh Yeah.....Democrat talking points.

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 12:32 PM
maybe we need some numbers on who is rich and who is not does it start with an income of 250,000 ? where? I ran a small business for 25 years signed many contracts with the banks....never had a full time employee...I did subcontract a lot of people over the years, plumbers ,drywall guys ,electricians, ect.. all of these guys were like me, some father and son teams and such...self employed business owners....that's small business to me....While the business was good to me I'm a long way from being rich....I made a decent living saved a little money that's all ...while this last collapse of banks and such didn't put most of the guys I used out it sure hurt their bank accounts....
So forgive me for not being clear i my previous post about the rich ....I don't give two ****s about politics and I don't have to be told to dislike the rich... I've dealt with a few and they are the worst to work with... imo....and that's a whole other subject...but whatever you go ahead and judge people call them uneducated gullible fools if you want......I can tell you this the rich have been lining their pockets of the backs and lives of these same people forever with little care about their problems....There is a whole world of American workers out there MH many struggling to feed their families on the wages these rich cats pay .....these politians need to be locked in a room till they come up with a compromised plans that are good for all the people of this country....do their jobs ....

Thanks for the lecture Byron. I wouldn't know what its like to be rich.
I've known people from all income levels and people are just people. I've known ****heads who were poor, middle class and rich. I've known great people who have been poor, middle class and rich.
This notion that some socio-economic level has a monopoly on human goodness is pure crap.

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 12:35 PM
Thanks for the lecture Byron. I wouldn't know what its like to be rich.
I've known people from all income levels and people are just people. I've known ****heads who were poor, middle class and rich. I've known great people who have been poor, middle class and rich.
This notion that some socio-economic level has a monopoly on human goodness is pure crap.

rich people have a far more entitled attitude than anyone else in society.

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 12:48 PM
rich people have a far more entitled attitude than anyone else in society.
Really......
That very Puritanical of you ****ey. You're 4 centuries behind.

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 12:50 PM
rich people have a far more entitled attitude than anyone else in society.I beg to differ, I thought the whole occupy movement was a bunch of hipsters with an entitled attitude. They all wear the same friggin glasses too, what the hells up with that?
http://indian2006.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/black-rimmed-glasses.jpg

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 12:51 PM
Come on not one comment on that little girl. Shes ****ing nasty

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 01:04 PM
I beg to differ, I thought the whole occupy movement was a bunch of hipsters with an entitled attitude. They all wear the same friggin glasses too, what the hells up with that?
http://indian2006.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/black-rimmed-glasses.jpg

yeah those friggin 99%rs don't feel entitled....... Right.

"Pay for my healthcare...find me a job....pay for my college....give me free birth control......, all you rich people pay for my lifel"

How about going out and earning it Dumbasses!!!!!

byron
11-21-2012, 01:09 PM
Thanks for the lecture Byron. I wouldn't know what its like to be rich.
I've known people from all income levels and people are just people. I've known ****heads who were poor, middle class and rich. I've known great people who have been poor, middle class and rich.
This notion that some socio-economic level has a monopoly on human goodness is pure crap. I'm not smart enough to give a lecture and didn't mean to come across like I was just explaining what I think small business is....and your right I shouldn't have grouped all rich people up as bad people wasn't really my intent......ah well my bad sorry......I add this to my thinking its time all goodness that can be conjured up come together and get this mess straited up.. the political game is old and killing this country....now I will bow out....

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 01:16 PM
I'm not smart enough to give a lecture and didn't mean to come across like I was just explaining what I think small business is....and your right I shouldn't have grouped all rich people up as bad people wasn't really my intent......ah well my bad sorry......I add this to my thinking its time all goodness that can be conjured up come together and get this mess straited up.. the political game is old and killing this country....now I will bow out....
Stop apologizing Byron....I love it when you go off.

byron
11-21-2012, 01:18 PM
yeah those friggin 99%rs don't feel entitled....... Right.

"Pay for my healthcare...find me a job....pay for my college....give me free birth control......, all you rich people pay for my lifel"

How about going out and earning it Dumbasses!!!!! who gives themselfs raises, best healthcare in the country and probably the best retirement plan in the country....man you take one side so hard it unbelivable... there is a lot of middle ground man....like the working poor..... people who are ****ing trying and doing jobs that need to be done.....Idk man.....your grouping all those who don't have health care as losers who don't work people need healthcare ...come on man!

byron
11-21-2012, 01:28 PM
Stop apologizing Byron....I love it when you go off. its just my nature I don't want to ofend anyone ..I hate politics it angrys me that they can't come together...and right now its important that they do... the future of this country is and always was in they hands....I'm not saying one side or the other is right nor do I think either side is ...the answer is something is something in the middle and they need to get to it....we all want whats best

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 01:29 PM
are you telling me they are going to tax people on there gross before tax right offs !.....come on man!!!

is all spin ,bull ,scare tactics....stop being gullible man !

Nah, they aren't going to tax people on the gross, but when they say "we will only raise taxes on those people making 250K or more" they are using the gross number, they are purposefully being misleading, all politicians do that, but this group of dem's is particularly good at it, they will raise taxes on the a large portion of everyday people.

they are defining rich as anyone who grosses 250k a year...and MANY MANY MANY of those people are small business owners scrapping to get by.

I don't know when scrapping to get by qualified as rich...but that's who Obama wants to raise taxes on.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 01:36 PM
who gives themselfs raises, best healthcare in the country and probably the best retirement plan in the country....man you take one side so hard it unbelivable... there is a lot of middle ground man....like the working poor..... people who are ****ing trying and doing jobs that need to be done.....Idk man.....your grouping all those who don't have health care as losers who don't work people need healthcare ...come on man!

It's what our politicians want, there should be no such thing as a "base" that comes out to vote.

but the Dem's have their "base" thinking the "rich" are these slick wall-street guys who only care about coming up with schemes to make themselves more money off of other peoples hard work, and republicans want their "base" to think that everyone on the governments dole is some lazy person who just wants to be taken care of.

neither of those portrayals are true.

byron
11-21-2012, 01:39 PM
Nah, they aren't going to tax people on the gross, but they when they say "we will only raise taxes on those people making 250K or more" they are using the gross number, they are purposefully being misleading, all politicians do that, but this group of dem's is particularly good at it, they will raising taxes on the a large portion of everyday people.

they are defining rich as anyone who grosses 250k a year...and MANY MANY MANY of those people are small business owners scrapping to get by.

I don't know when scrapping to get by qualified as rich...but that's who Obama wants to raise taxes on. well there you go a bunch of spin that we all know about some people by into it that will never change Daven....its still going to boil down to your net....small business will still get their write offs

byron
11-21-2012, 01:44 PM
It's what our politicians want, there should be no such thing as a "base" that comes out to vote.

but the Dem's have their "base" thinking the "rich" are these slick wall-street guys who only care about coming up with schemes to make themselves more money off of other peoples hard work, and republicans want their "base" to think that everyone on the governments dole is some lazy person who just wants to be taken care of.

neither of those portrayals are true. exactly and that is so ****ing wrong it needs to chance....lock 'em all the a room and don't let them out till they get this fiscal cliff thing figued out ...just for starters......stop thinking about 4 years from now the ****ing idots man

byron
11-21-2012, 01:49 PM
ok now I'm done I meant on harm on anyone I want whats best for this country and I want these politians to do their jobs, earn their money and bennys for the good of all of us....Its not about one side or the other winning its about getting it right......now !

by the way this ****ing new board still sucks

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 01:56 PM
well there you go a bunch of spin that we all know about some people by into it that will never change Daven....its still going to boil down to your net....small business will still get their write offs

yeah, but there are people with small business out there, grossing more then 250k, chanting...."yeah **** those rich guys, tax em, tax em to hell!...meanwhile they don't understand that when Obama says "the rich" he means him.

you have people who Obama's considering "rich" cheering Obama on for taxing the rich...because they simply do not understand his purposefully confusing definition.

byron
11-21-2012, 02:09 PM
yeah, but there are people with small business out there, grossing more then 250k, chanting...."yeah **** those rich guys, tax em, tax em to hell!...meanwhile they don't understand that when Obama says "the rich" he means him.

you have people who Obama's considering "rich" cheering Obama on for taxing the rich...because they simply do not understand his purposefully confusing definition. Daven what people want is a fair system whatever that may be nobody would cry about fair....ah maybe they would ! words are words man lets see what they do

byron
11-21-2012, 02:21 PM
hey everybody...I hope you all have a awesome Thanksgiving ! I get to see my grandson its been almost week since I seem him last... way to long !



go Giants

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Daven what people want is a fair system whatever that may be nobody would cry about fair....ah maybe they would ! words are words man lets see what they do

the system we have right now is fairer then people understand, politicians only make it "seem" unfair to garner votes, right now if anything the rich pay TOO MUCH in taxes in my opinion, to be fair the rich would have to get a tax break.

Morehead State
11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Oh BTW....Eli Manning?...........The rich.

I told you he was a mother****er!

dezzzR
11-21-2012, 02:52 PM
Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

JPizzack
11-21-2012, 03:00 PM
Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

Don't kill any hookers.

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 03:16 PM
anyone see that kid that scored 138pt's yesterday? Jack Taylor?

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8660373/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-awe-jack-taylor-138-point-night

byron
11-21-2012, 03:32 PM
the system we have right now is fairer then people understand, politicians only make it "seem" unfair garner votes, right now if anything the rich pay TOO MUCH in taxes in my opinion, to be fair the rich would have to get a tax break. Thats **** been going on for ever that won't change... Look I'm all for what is fair Daven many think the tax code needs work how about a flat tax everybody pays the same rate no shelters ,loopholes and such ? same for all...All the rhetoric aside,no special interest pushing the agenda...just a plan that works for all and can be paid for....Oh course no plan could be perfect you will still have people who either can't or won't work....I suppose we could just let them all starve to death ....look its complcaited man and it will never be completly fair....but to think one side has the answer and a quick fix is crazy...I propose they both have some good ideas that they need to intergrate.... Then stick with them tweaking alone way Like they should have been doing with SS for instance plus not taking money out of that program for other short comings .....look I'm way over my head here end of the day we all want the same thing Daven a system thats fair and works ....thats a broad statement on the complex system .....Is there any one person or party who/that totaly gets it all I think not...so you have to try things keep good get rid of the bad and be carfull in the process.....

DavenIII
11-21-2012, 03:39 PM
Thats **** been going on for ever that won't change... Look I'm all for what is fair Daven many think the tax code needs work how about a flat tax everybody pays the same rate no shelters ,loopholes and such ? same for all...

I'm fine with that, but just so you realize that would be a historically large tax cut for the rich, if you do a flat tax you'd be reducing what the rich pay in taxes by more then half.




All the rhetoric aside,no special interest pushing the agenda...just a plan that works for all and can be paid for....Oh course no plan could be perfect you will still have people who either can't or won't work....I suppose we could just let them all starve to death ....look its complcaited man and it will never be completly fair....but to think one side has the answer and a quick fix is crazy...I propose they both have some good ideas that they need to intergrate.... Then stick with them tweaking alone way Like they should have been doing with SS for instance plus not taking money out of that program for other short comings .....look I'm way over my head here end of the day we all want the same thing Daven a system thats fair and works ....thats a broad statement on the complex system .....Is there any one person or party who/that totaly gets it all I think not...so you have to try things keep good get rid of the bad and be carfull in the process.....

Yes, in the end we all want a system that's fair, I agree with that, honestly I think the best way to do that though is to make the system simpler, it doesn't have to be this complicated, the reason it's so complicated is because they don't want us to know what it means...that way they can all lie about it and tell us that the other side is wrong without us knowing one way or the other.

byron
11-21-2012, 04:55 PM
I'm fine with that, but just so you realize that would be a historically large tax cut for the rich, if you do a flat tax you'd be reducing what the rich pay in taxes by more then half.


well we can't have that we'll just have to have a whole separaate flat tax deal them say.... one time more than they are paying now that ought to do It....;)

I was just throwing flat tax thing out there





Yes, in the end we all want a system that's fair, I agree with that, honestly I think the best way to do that though is to make the system simpler, it doesn't have to be this complicated, the reason it's so complicated is because they don't want us to know what it means...that way they can all lie about it and tell us that the other side is wrong without us knowing one way or the other. amen they ****ing with us !

Roosevelt
11-21-2012, 10:51 PM
I can't believe you boys are talkng politics over here.

I might have to start reading this thread on a regular basis,

Happy Thanksgiving boys.

byron
11-22-2012, 12:38 AM
I can't believe you boys are talkng politics over here.

I might have to start reading this thread on a regular basis,

Happy Thanksgiving boys. mh started it !.......same to you Rosey

Morehead State
11-22-2012, 09:26 AM
mh started it !.......same to you Rosey
No way B. We were done with the election. It was Meyerbud who brought it back. Go back a few pages.

byron
11-22-2012, 03:29 PM
No way B. We were done with the election. It was Meyerbud who brought it back. Go back a few pages. I fusing with ya !....hope your having a great thanksgivings mh

Morehead State
11-24-2012, 12:42 PM
GoGo has Lyme disease. I am very worried about her. Doc just gave us antibiotics but she can barely stand up and walk a few steps. Came on all of the sudden.
Doc thinks she'll be OK but I won't stop worrying until she's all better.

byron
11-24-2012, 04:44 PM
GoGo has Lyme disease. I am very worried about her. Doc just gave us antibiotics but she can barely stand up and walk a few steps. Came on all of the sudden.
Doc thinks she'll be OK but I won't stop worrying until she's all better. sorry to hear that MH....she is lame I believe is what is going on...the blood work came back Lime D...? Its hard not to worry hang in there he probably told you but the antis should be working within 3 to 5 days in the mean time the dog needs to take it easy

Morehead State
11-24-2012, 05:27 PM
sorry to hear that MH....she is lame I believe is what is going on...the blood work came back Lime D...? Its hard not to worry hang in there he probably told you but the antis should be working within 3 to 5 days in the mean time the dog needs to take it easy
Thanks a lot B.
I was hoping you'd come on line and make me feel better.

Roosevelt
11-24-2012, 05:50 PM
GoGo has Lyme disease. I am very worried about her. Doc just gave us antibiotics but she can barely stand up and walk a few steps. Came on all of the sudden.
Doc thinks she'll be OK but I won't stop worrying until she's all better.

That sucks. Hope she's feeling better real soon.

One of our dogs had a tick on him pretty good a couple weeks ago. Vet said it's just not from the deer. Chipmunks and field mice carry them too.

I just picked up Frontline for our guys...

Morehead State
11-24-2012, 05:54 PM
That sucks. Hope she's feeling better real soon.

One of our dogs had a tick on him pretty good a couple weeks ago. Vet said it's just not from the deer. Chipmunks and field mice carry them too.

I just picked up Frontline for our guys...
Well we use Frontline but it still happened. It helps but its no guarantee.

byron
11-24-2012, 06:29 PM
Thanks a lot B.
I was hoping you'd come on line and make me feel better.
oh man glad I could help a little ... last time I had something like this happen was My old dog Sadie she got hit in the butt by car ...I was calling the Vet every other thing "Doc she not getting around very good yet how come its taking so long !?....He said "think about it this way how do you think you would be doing if a car hit you in the *** going 30 miles an hour" Few weeks went by and I asked her if she wanted to go for a ride and perked right up ...Still not walking all that well i helped her into the pickup ...This dog loved the water and camp and she knew right where we were headed when I turned on the road...When I got to the camp I open the door and started out and before I knew it she blew by me, flew out of that truck hit the water before I could say "hey wait " I was one happy man... I knew she was gonna be alright and she knew she was too........dogs are awesome

alentown pa
11-24-2012, 07:52 PM
GoGo has Lyme disease. I am very worried about her. Doc just gave us antibiotics but she can barely stand up and walk a few steps. Came on all of the sudden.
Doc thinks she'll be OK but I won't stop worrying until she's all better.

question for you redsox fan...I was having this conversation with a sox fan at work..which world series team did you think was better, not who you liked more, but better, the 04 team or the one who beat Rockies?

Morehead State
11-25-2012, 08:37 AM
oh man glad I could help a little ... last time I had something like this happen was My old dog Sadie she got hit in the butt by car ...I was calling the Vet every other thing "Doc she not getting around very good yet how come its taking so long !?....He said "think about it this way how do you think you would be doing if a car hit you in the *** going 30 miles an hour" Few weeks went by and I asked her if she wanted to go for a ride and perked right up ...Still not walking all that well i helped her into the pickup ...This dog loved the water and camp and she knew right where we were headed when I turned on the road...When I got to the camp I open the door and started out and before I knew it she blew by me, flew out of that truck hit the water before I could say "hey wait " I was one happy man... I knew she was gonna be alright and she knew she was too........dogs are awesome

"Dog's are awesome" is an understatement B.
And I'm happy to say that GoGo is doing so much better since last night. She's walking around and actually ran back inside the house this morning. She's on antibiotics plus medication to reduce the inflammation. We're just hoping that the progress continues.
But so far we're extremely happy.

byron
11-25-2012, 01:06 PM
"Dog's are awesome" is an understatement B.
And I'm happy to say that GoGo is doing so much better since last night. She's walking around and actually ran back inside the house this morning. She's on antibiotics plus medication to reduce the inflammation. We're just hoping that the progress continues.
But so far we're extremely happy. thats great news, they will check her after the antibiotics and make sure they got it right ? thanks for the undate .....

MattMeyerBud
11-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Bradshaw sucks

byron
11-26-2012, 12:43 AM
I was worried about how our team would come out of the bye....the win was nice the way done it was ****ing awsome....A win against Washington week man, we be shinning !!!

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 09:12 AM
"Dog's are awesome" is an understatement B.
And I'm happy to say that GoGo is doing so much better since last night. She's walking around and actually ran back inside the house this morning. She's on antibiotics plus medication to reduce the inflammation. We're just hoping that the progress continues.
But so far we're extremely happy.

Glad to hear your dog is doing better. Watching one of your best friends suffer is pretty heartbreaking, and a terrible feeling. That's great that she's doing good though.

I lost my bullmastiff to bone cancer in June, and it totally crushed me, and thats after i knew it was likely going to happen, I just couldn't deal with it really...

Kase-1
11-26-2012, 09:27 AM
Hey guys long time no see, now since im posting from a phone (thanks sandy) i will not be around as much, but i just wanna say WOW that was a statement win and a half. Now hopefully all the talking heads will get off discount double **** brooms jock and puck yp a cup of Giants kool aid

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 10:02 AM
Hey guys long time no see, now since im posting from a phone (thanks sandy) i will not be around as much, but i just wanna say WOW that was a statement win and a half. Now hopefully all the talking heads will get off discount double **** brooms jock and puck yp a cup of Giants kool aid

lol well said....

hope everythings going better Kase, glad to hear from you.

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 10:03 AM
Losing KP on his first game back is a huge blow to the defense. It's pretty obvious to me that he's a difference maker in the secondary. Just having him back made us look so much more versatile, and Fewell was running **** I havent seen in quite some time. All I can hope is that we use this game to our advantage in that respect.

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 10:07 AM
Sorry about GoGo MH. My older sister has Limes and the aches and pains come and go. Shell be ok. Play with her and try and keep her active.

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 10:12 AM
Losing KP on his first game back is a huge blow to the defense. It's pretty obvious to me that he's a difference maker in the secondary. Just having him back made us look so much more versatile, and Fewell was running **** I havent seen in quite some time. All I can hope is that we use this game to our advantage in that respect.It really sucks, that was the best performance Iv ever seen from Perrys arrived.

MattMeyerBud
11-26-2012, 11:00 AM
It really sucks, that was the best performance Iv ever seen from Perrys arrived.

Yea that sucks Moorhead. Sorry to ear that about your dog. How old is she?

MattMeyerBud
11-26-2012, 11:02 AM
Bradshaw sucks

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/PHOTO/LARGE/american_crow_7.jpg

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 11:09 AM
http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/PHOTO/LARGE/american_crow_7.jpgMy main issue was TC playing him while hes injured. Lets see him string a few more games together. Amazing what a bye week and playing the worst defense in the league can do for a back. And to play devils advocate why were they looking for another back last week?

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 11:19 AM
I'm expected to eat crow after 1 game? lol

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 11:23 AM
Blackburns sack was a thing of beauty. I havnt seen a Giants linebacker do that in a loooong time.

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 11:26 AM
Blackburns sack was a thing of beauty. I havnt seen a Giants linebacker do that in a loooong time.

there's not many things prettier than an open lane sack. lol (that was hard to write w/o laughing)

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 11:35 AM
http://blog.giants.com/2012/11/26/daily-blitz-giants-inspired-to-play-like-champs/

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 11:42 AM
Im always so giddy when the giants dominate.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/misc/tumblr_llgamqQLBD1qcjzcm.gif

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 11:48 AM
Im always so giddy when the giants dominate.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/misc/tumblr_llgamqQLBD1qcjzcm.gif

lmao...


SCIENCE, BIIIITCH!!!!!

MattMeyerBud
11-26-2012, 12:18 PM
I'm expected to eat crow after 1 game? lol


you should eat crow because ur numbers were wrong which was the main point of your argument

let alone the fact that u took no regard for the fact that he played two of the best rush defenses in the league during the stretch u were butthurt about.

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 12:50 PM
For those asking about Joseph Addai and the Giants, I'm told that's probably not gonna happen. - From Mike Garafolo

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 12:50 PM
you should eat crow because ur numbers were wrong which was the main point of your argument

let alone the fact that u took no regard for the fact that he played two of the best rush defenses in the league during the stretch u were butthurt about.

I wasn't butthurt. lol....

I think it's discouraging to know that we put a rather heavy workload on a guy who's been injured his entire career, whether he's performing or not.

To be honest, It doesn't matter to me, because we won. So I'll root for anyone who's attributing to our success!

ny06
11-26-2012, 01:05 PM
For those asking about Joseph Addai and the Giants, I'm told that's probably not gonna happen. - From Mike Garafolo
I'm not suprised, I didn't want him to be honest. Now the question is, who do they pick up?

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 02:04 PM
I'm not suprised, I didn't want him to be honest. Now the question is, who do they pick up?

What happened to Da'rel Scott? We just kinda stopped talking about him once Wilson had such a good preseason(in true fan fashion lol).

Why are we not giving that guy a spot? Isn't he like Julio-Jones-type-fast??

Roosevelt
11-26-2012, 02:05 PM
"Dog's are awesome" is an understatement B.
And I'm happy to say that GoGo is doing so much better since last night. She's walking around and actually ran back inside the house this morning. She's on antibiotics plus medication to reduce the inflammation. We're just hoping that the progress continues.
But so far we're extremely happy.

Good to hear.

byron
11-26-2012, 02:07 PM
I wasn't butthurt. lol....

I think it's discouraging to know that we put a rather heavy workload on a guy who's been injured his entire career, whether he's performing or not.

To be honest, It doesn't matter to me, because we won. So I'll root for anyone who's attributing to our success! Scott is on IR I think....qouted the wrong post JP and named the wrong player at the same time...lol fixed!

Kase-1
11-26-2012, 02:11 PM
lol well said....

hope everythings going better Kase, glad to hear from you.

Word up thanks Pezz. Its been a while so i figured id check in with my G-Fam

ny06
11-26-2012, 02:12 PM
What happened to Da'rel Scott? We just kinda stopped talking about him once Wilson had such a good preseason(in true fan fashion lol).

Why are we not giving that guy a spot? Isn't he like Julio-Jones-type-fast??
Scott is on injured reserve.

JPizzack
11-26-2012, 02:18 PM
Scott is on injured reserve.

ahh ok. I didn't even know. I just typed his name into my yahoo page to see if he was on IR, and it didn't even say anything. that's weird, but anyway...i had no idea.

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 02:38 PM
Word up thanks Pezz. Its been a while so i figured id check in with my G-FamSorry to hear about your house Kase. Hope all is going well with repairs and whatnot. Since you been deprived of electricity and internet access, heres a brand spankin new vinnie p bangerrrr.


Ill send it to you on fb

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 03:45 PM
http://media.nj.com/star-ledger/photo/2012/11/11912547-large.jpghe deserves the gameball imo

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 03:50 PM
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Aaron+Rodgers+Green+Bay+Packers+v+New+York+raVCuJE TrlHl.jpgnot only does he have the pornostache, he has the facial expressions to go with it.

dezzzR
11-26-2012, 03:52 PM
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Aaron+Rodgers+Green+Bay+Packers+v+New+York+iAYFZRh 3CeJl.jpg
kiwi had a good game. we need him in the mix more often.

Morehead State
11-26-2012, 05:01 PM
Yea that sucks Moorhead. Sorry to ear that about your dog. How old is she?
She'll be 6 in January.
She's starting to do really well now. 24 hours after essentially not being able to walk, she is getting around at almost 100%. Its pretty amazing.

byron
11-26-2012, 07:16 PM
Word up thanks Pezz. Its been a while so i figured id check in with my G-Fam Just want echo what JP said how things are getting better for you down there man .....

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 09:31 AM
So many teams playing for the playoffs in the GMB league. This is what fantasy drama is built upon. Sharreif, MH, Matt, & Daven could all be eliminated this week...OR make it.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 10:25 AM
So many teams playing for the playoffs in the GMB league. This is what fantasy drama is built upon. Sharreif, MH, Matt, & Daven could all be eliminated this week...OR make it.
How can you have the highest point total in the league and be 6-6. That recap thing said that if I had your schedule, I'd be 8-2. So I guess 8-4.
But all I have to do is win and I'm in. I have the tie breaker on everyone.

bigblue4417
11-27-2012, 10:46 AM
At least half your team isn't hurt MH. lol

bigblue4417
11-27-2012, 10:48 AM
So many teams playing for the playoffs in the GMB league. This is what fantasy drama is built upon. Sharreif, MH, Matt, & Daven could all be eliminated this week...OR make it.
It's going to be crazy. Plus with the Saints and Falcons playing Thursday people will have a good idea of how it's going to turn out.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 10:49 AM
How can you have the highest point total in the league and be 6-6. That recap thing said that if I had your schedule, I'd be 8-2. So I guess 8-4.
But all I have to do is win and I'm in. I have the tie breaker on everyone.

Sounds like you have the same luck I have in fantasy baseball

However I would guess people's teams just play well against you lol

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 10:50 AM
So many teams playing for the playoffs in the GMB league. This is what fantasy drama is built upon. Sharreif, MH, Matt, & Daven could all be eliminated this week...OR make it.

I need a ton of help...but if I get in I think I might be able to go all the way.

bigblue4417
11-27-2012, 10:54 AM
I need a ton of help...but if I get in I think I might be able to go all the way.
The help won't matter because I will beat you and lock up the 1 seed.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 11:04 AM
Sounds like you have the same luck I have in fantasy baseball

However I would guess people's teams just play well against you lol
I have only two weeks under 100 points. And they were in the 90's. I had a 3 game losing streak where I lost by a total of 7 points. All three I was over 100 points.
I (for some ungodly reason) had to face RGIII twice in a row where he threw a grand total of 8 TD's in his first 9 games, and throws 8 in the 2 games against me.
I went against Kase where C Johnson went for 200 + and 2 TD's.
But if I win next week I'm in and none of you lucky *******s wants to face me. So root for G.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 11:07 AM
I am in another GMB league and I started off 0-3 and have now clinched a playoff spot at 7-5. This is a 10 team league where there are 2 rounds of playoffs, each round is 2 weeks.
I'll be up against Brady starting week 14 but my matchups are good.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 11:11 AM
I (for some ungodly reason) had to face RGIII twice in a row where he threw a grand total of 8 TD's in his first 9 games, and throws 8 in the 2 games against me.
.

:D


You talk as if he doesn't have the 4th highest fantasy point total.....he's only had 3 weeks under 25 pts.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 11:24 AM
:D


You talk as if he doesn't have the 4th highest fantasy point total.....he's only had 3 weeks under 25 pts.
He was way over his average up to that point. I'm just whining about my horrific luck. I'm not complaining about injuries. I've had them too but I've done a good job on the waiver wire. Thats FF. But I'm averaging almost 110 points per game and I'm friggin 6-6. All I can do is manage my team and score as much as I can. My real problem was losing those 3 in a row by a total of 7 points. That was a killer.

Imgrate
11-27-2012, 11:25 AM
My team is nice

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 11:28 AM
:D


You talk as if he doesn't have the 4th highest fantasy point total.....he's only had 3 weeks under 25 pts.Still, 8 passing tds in 2 games is tough to do.

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 11:30 AM
According to Elias - Eli Manning is fourth-fastest active QB to reach 200 career TD passes (132 games). Big bro Peyton was fastest (106)

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 11:36 AM
I'm hoping that I keep LT with his 1 win record, and then that B plays spoiler to Amanda, or Daven beats Lando. I want the bye. badly.

In my 3 yahoo leagues, I've locked up 2 first round byes, this could potentially be the 3rd if things work out in my favor.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 11:37 AM
Still, 8 passing tds in 2 games is tough to do.

Dude is a stud.

Scary isn't it?

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 11:41 AM
Dude is a stud.

Scary isn't it?Hes good but teams will figure him out. Cam was doing some pretty amazing stuff last year too.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 11:48 AM
Hes good but teams will figure him out. Cam was doing some pretty amazing stuff last year too.

he finally id some amazing stuff last night too, but yeah Cam's been a bit of a disappointment this year for me.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 11:49 AM
Hes good but teams will figure him out. Cam was doing some pretty amazing stuff last year too.


I think RG3 has a better pocket presence than all these other "running" QBs. Great arm on the guy. We'll see though, you could easily be right.

I'm tired of the running qb in general. such a gimmick.

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 11:59 AM
I think RG3 has a better pocket presence than all these other "running" QBs. Great arm on the guy. We'll see though, you could easily be right.

I'm tired of the running qb in general. such a gimmick.It really is. The problem is when they see/feel pressure their first instinct is to run, while the Bradys Peytons and Brees' either throw it away, take the sack or make the throw and take the hit.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 12:07 PM
According to Elias - Eli Manning is fourth-fastest active QB to reach 200 career TD passes (132 games). Big bro Peyton was fastest (106)
Rivers is on pace to do it in 9 fewer games. Does that make him better? Didn't think so.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 12:19 PM
Rivers is on pace to do it in 9 fewer games. Does that make him better? Didn't think so. its almost like breaking passing records doesn't mean anything anymore....these QB's are playing a completely different game.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 12:27 PM
its almost like breaking passing records doesn't mean anything anymore....these QB's are playing a completely different game.
As i said in another thread, to me the most important stat for measuring a QB's play is the ratio between TD's and Int's.
All the great QB's have a better than 2 to 1 ratio, except our boy of course. He's only done it twice I believe.
In today's league with these rules, its a minimum expectation. Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, Ben...those guys are 3, 4, 5, 6 to one or even better.
I mean Russell Wilson has more TD's and fewer Int's than Eli. And he doesn't have our weapons.
This does drive me nuts about Eli.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 12:40 PM
As i said in another thread, to me the most important stat for measuring a QB's play is the ratio between TD's and Int's.
All the great QB's have a better than 2 to 1 ratio, except our boy of course. He's only done it twice I believe.
In today's league with these rules, its a minimum expectation. Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton, Ben...those guys are 3, 4, 5, 6 to one or even better.
I mean Russell Wilson has more TD's and fewer Int's than Eli. And he doesn't have our weapons.
This does drive me nuts about Eli.

I don't think you can rate QB's just by that respect, and all the great QB's do not have a 2 to 1 ratio, when you have a good running game and you are always ahead in games it's a lot easier to play it safe and keep your int's down, I don't want a QB whose playing it safe when we need a win or a comeback....mistakes will happen but I'd rather he try to stuff it in somewhere when the games on the line then take a sack to lose the game.

it's not as simple as just expecting a good TD/Int ratio...it's about when and how those Int's vs TD's happen.

Also I still don't know if Nicks and Cruz are making Eli look good or Eli is making Nicks and Cruz look good, If I had to guess though I think it's the later.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 12:46 PM
All the great QB's have a better than 2 to 1 ratio

Great QB's that have less then a 2 to 1 TD to Int Ratio.

Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Troy Aikman
Bart Starr
Dan Marino

I mean come on MH

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 12:49 PM
I don't think you can rate QB's just by that respect, and all the great QB's do not have a 2 to 1 ratio, when you have a good running game and you are always ahead in games it's a lot easier to play it safe and keep your int's down, I don't want a QB whose playing it safe when we need a win or a comeback....mistakes will happen but I'd rather he try to stuff it in somewhere when the games on the line then take a sack to lose the game.

it's not as simple as just expecting a good TD/Int ratio...it's about when and how those Int's vs TD's happen.

Also I still don't know if Nicks and Cruz are making Eli look good or Eli is making Nicks and Cruz look good, If I had to guess though I think it's the later.

Nicks and Cruz are one of the top tandems in the league. Eli's picks are rarely throws where he trusted his guy to make a play and they didn't. They are so often horrible decisions or throws. No...Eli has a definite problem with picks. If he was throwing a lot of TD's that would be one thing, but he's never really had high TD totals. If you're going to throw 15 to 18 picks per year its OK if you're throwing 30 to 40 TD's. He just doesn't do that.
So I would argue with your "take chances" theory. If that was the case, he'd have a lot more TD's.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 12:50 PM
Great QB's that have less then a 2 to 1 TD to Int Ratio.

Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Troy Aikman
Bart Starr
Dan Marino

I mean come on MH
Now how about some from this era with these rules.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 12:56 PM
Now how about some from this era with these rules.
Put it this way.. I expect today's QB when they are having decent years to be over 2 to 1. I suppose when your still learning to play your numbers are different. But in your prime, its pretty baseline to me.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 01:05 PM
Now how about some from this era with these rules.


OHHHH **** NO...you cant pull that argument now!!! Not after saying for god knows how long that this is a different era when QBs are babied, and stats arent everything. I can't believe im even reading this!!!!

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:05 PM
Nicks and Cruz are one of the top tandems in the league. Eli's picks are rarely throws where he trusted his guy to make a play and they didn't. They are so often horrible decisions or throws. No...Eli has a definite problem with picks. If he was throwing a lot of TD's that would be one thing, but he's never really had high TD totals. If you're going to throw 15 to 18 picks per year its OK if you're throwing 30 to 40 TD's. He just doesn't do that.
So I would argue with your "take chances" theory. If that was the case, he'd have a lot more TD's.

you are just trying to drum up an argument with Eli Hate again, I'm not falling for it this time MH, you and I both know that Eli is generally pretty accurate, that he has MADE Nicks and Cruz into one of the top tandems in the league and that sans perhaps Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning and Tom Brady there isn't a better QB in the NFL right now.

you can find something wrong with every single player in the league if you stare at their stat line long enough but I don't think that means anything, Eli does not have a problem with picks when it matters...when his team falls behind does he maybe make some poor decisions or try to force things to work with bad results? yes he does....but that's not something I'm going to get on him for because this whole entire offense of ours relies extremely heavily on him.

give Mark Sanchez Cruz and Nicks and Bradshaw and the jets record would look exactly the same as it does now in my opinion, Eli makes our receivers better...so the "he has weapons" argument doesn't fly with me sorry.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:07 PM
OHHHH **** NO...you cant pull that argument now!!! Not after saying for god knows how long that this is a different era when QBs are babied, and stats arent everything. I can't believe im even reading this!!!!

he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:17 PM
he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P
I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 01:20 PM
Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?

Shutup Daven....Phil Simms was the greatest football player to ever grace the gridiron.

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 01:22 PM
Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?Almost in Namaths category in that aspect.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:25 PM
Hey Morehead, how about Phil Simms!

199/157 look at that 2/1 ratio right?
Please pay attention Daven. In the 80's, that was more than acceptable, It was actually outstanding. Back then if you have more TD's than picks you were ahead of the game.
In THIS era its not. The rule favor the passing game so much now. The NFL is making it easy to throw the ball. In THIS era, a 2 to 1 ratio is a baseline expectation for a good QB (not great...just good) in his prime.
And in Eli's case, he's not even improving in this catagory. He's essentially where he was in 2005. I get that Eli is kind of an exception (as is Cutler in my view) because of his ability to win big games and run the two minute drill, but he needs to pick up his efficiency in this regard to meet even minimum standards.

ny06
11-27-2012, 01:27 PM
Shutup Daven....Phil Simms was the greatest football player to ever grace the gridiron.
That's very Morehead of you to say... lol
I saw Phil play a good amount of his years, and he was a great player. One of the toughest players I have ever seen. He took hits that took players out for seasons. Hense why he was injured a lot early on in his career. Other then Marino, Elway and Montana Phil had one of the best passes in his era. Great spiral, clean release, great accuracy.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:27 PM
Almost in Namaths category in that aspect.
If Namath was playing in this era with these rules, he'd be off the friggin charts.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:30 PM
I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.

You are the one whose wearing glasses MH, hate glasses lol.

Big Ben
Phillip Rivers
Jay Cutler
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Matt Ryan
Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Schaub

I mean I can keep going MH...there are like 3 or 4 guys who DO have a 2/1 ratio in the NFL (if that)

what you are expecting is extremely incredibly rare...like 1 in 100+ QB's in this era rare.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:34 PM
In THIS era its not. The rule favor the passing game so much now. The NFL is making it easy to throw the ball. In THIS era, a 2 to 1 ratio is a baseline expectation for a good QB (not great...just good) in his prime.

I'm the one who brought up the fact that this era the stats mean less because the QB's are practically playing a different game you don't have to remind me, that said wait you are saying is categorical incorrect, you are just wrong, you are rating Eli on some ridiculous level asking for a 2/1 TD/Int ratio which almost never happens even in THIS era...go through all the currently starting QB's in the NFL...you might find 4 or 5 that have what you are looking for, and the ones that do I'll admit...they are better then Eli, but we are talking about Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bress....and even then I'd still trust Eli over any of them when it comes down to a game winning drive in the 4Qtr....which to me is much more important then some stat line that has no real bearing on whether a QB is good or not.

Chad Pennington also looks good probably if you look at TD's vs Ints....he still couldn't through a ball over 20yds and was ****.

DavenIII
11-27-2012, 01:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.

you have good ole days blinders on MH if you think Eli couldn't make every single one of those throws you are crazy....

does he "always" do it...no, but he could/can and HAS completed passes not unlike every single one of the ones in your linked video.

(Also Simms threw into double coverage A LOT that game huh, I didn't remember that...)

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 01:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRScrC9i34
Watch these throws and tell me that Eli could ever throw the ball like this.Thats such crap Mh. Should I get a high light real of ELi lighting a defense up?? Eli makes those throws all day every day. Stop

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:40 PM
I'm the one who brought up the fact that this era the stats mean less because the QB's are practically playing a different game you don't have to remind me, that said wait you are saying is categorical incorrect, you are just wrong, you are rating Eli on some ridiculous level asking for a 2/1 TD/Int ratio which almost never happens even in THIS era...go through all the currently starting QB's in the NFL...you might find 4 or 5 that have what you are looking for, and the ones that do I'll admit...they are better then Eli, but we are talking about Peyton Manning Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and Drew Bress....and even then I'd still trust Eli over any of them when it comes down to a game winning drive in the 4Qtr....which to me is much more important then some stat line that has no real bearing on whether a QB is good or not.

Chad Pennington also looks good probably if you look at TD's vs Ints....he still couldn't through a ball over 20yds and was ****.

I'm not "rating" Eli exclusively on this. But to me, this is the only stat that is really telling about a QB's passing ability. The rst is what you see on the field. Obviously a guy who doesn't throw a lot can have a good % but it would show in his lack of yardage. Eli throws a lot but he doesn't throw a lot of TD passes. I would say that a lot of picks is more acceptable if what you said before was true, that he needs to take more chances. If that were true he'd have a lot more TD's to go against the picks. But he doesn't. I'm really not sure why but he definitely lags behind other outstanding QB's in this important guage.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:41 PM
you have good ole days blinders on MH if you think Eli couldn't make every single one of those throws you are crazy....

does he "always" do it...no, but he could/can and HAS completed passes not unlike every single one of the ones in your linked video.

(Also Simms threw into double coverage A LOT that game huh, I didn't remember that...)
Not one of those throws quacked.

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 01:42 PM
you have good ole days blinders on MH if you think Eli couldn't make every single one of those throws you are crazy....

does he "always" do it...no, but he could/can and HAS completed passes not unlike every single one of the ones in your linked video.

(Also Simms threw into double coverage A LOT that game huh, I didn't remember that...)When we get a bit older, around MH's age, and the next great qb comes along for the Giants, are we going to be as spiteful???

dezzzR
11-27-2012, 01:43 PM
Not one of those throws quacked.Soooo Phils better than Eli cause his spiral is prettier. Youre killing me here....

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:48 PM
Soooo Phils better than Eli cause his spiral is prettier. Youre killing me here....
Put it this way. You throw a 57 year old Phil into a pit with a 31 year old Eli. You know who would be the only one to climb out.
Oh yeah....plus he was just a better passer and a better leader of men as well.

Morehead State
11-27-2012, 01:49 PM
When we get a bit older, around MH's age, and the next great qb comes along for the Giants, are we going to be as spiteful???
its not spite....it's hate.

JPizzack
11-27-2012, 01:49 PM
That's very Morehead of you to say... lol
I saw Phil play a good amount of his years, and he was a great player. One of the toughest players I have ever seen. He took hits that took players out for seasons. Hense why he was injured a lot early on in his career. Other then Marino, Elway and Montana Phil had one of the best passes in his era. Great spiral, clean release, great accuracy.

I literally said that to sound exactly like Morehead. Guess I forgot the red text, except I meant no disrespect to Simms lol