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dezzzR
04-02-2013, 03:45 PM
I'm not asking you guys to dislike a player because he's older. I'm just saying that your FO is doing a crap job of not letting the entire team get old at once.
Its a recipe for disaster.You defended him when I called out how old he was. You know thisss

Morehead State
04-02-2013, 04:37 PM
You defended him when I called out how old he was. You know thisss
What did I say....that he was lying about his age and was actually very young?

JPizzack
04-02-2013, 04:50 PM
What did I say....that he was lying about his age and was actually very young?

No, that was the David Ortiz argument a few years back. hahaha

dezzzR
04-02-2013, 05:12 PM
What did I say....that he was lying about his age and was actually very young?That he was still serviceable. Really wish there was an easy way to search this thread.
All Andy needs is 10-14 wins and were good.

Morehead State
04-02-2013, 05:29 PM
That he was still serviceable. Really wish there was an easy way to search this thread.
All Andy needs is 10-14 wins and were good.
He was serviceable for many years. When he ran out of gas, he retired. Thats how it works. But knuckleballer are different from any position. They don't put any pressure on their bodies, including their arms. They can pitch well into their 40's.
My point is that when you have your team loaded with a bunch of old players (like the 2013 Yankees) you're going to have a lot of injuries.
Now they went and signed Vernon Wells. Geez!! Don't they have anyone in the minors for God's sake?

JPizzack
04-02-2013, 05:33 PM
Now they went and signed Vernon Wells. Geez!! Don't they have anyone in the minors for God's sake?

that was awful. but we had no outfielders, and we got (slightly) lucky cuz we dont have to pay the whole horrible salary that LAA signed him to lol

dezzzR
04-02-2013, 05:41 PM
He was serviceable for many years. When he ran out of gas, he retired. Thats how it works. But knuckleballer are different from any position. They don't put any pressure on their bodies, including their arms. They can pitch well into their 40's.
My point is that when you have your team loaded with a bunch of old players (like the 2013 Yankees) you're going to have a lot of injuries.
Now they went and signed Vernon Wells. Geez!! Don't they have anyone in the minors for God's sake?Well using Andy to make your point was silly. Hes not a power pitcher. Hasnt been for almost a decade. Has a nice relaxed delivery. He will win 10 games.

Morehead State
04-02-2013, 06:15 PM
that was awful. but we had no outfielders, and we got (slightly) lucky cuz we dont have to pay the whole horrible salary that LAA signed him to lol
They are really going to have to change the time of the games at the stadium because all the players will want to catch the early bird special at the local Red Lobster.
I heard there's a senior citizen discount there.

L.T.56
04-02-2013, 08:00 PM
cano fired scott boras and joins under a company owned by jay-z. hopefully this means he'll get a reasonable deal and has a much better chance now of staying with the yankees.

JPizzack
04-02-2013, 11:05 PM
cano fired scott boras and joins under a company owned by jay-z. hopefully this means he'll get a reasonable deal and has a much better chance now of staying with the yankees.

anyone who fires scott boras is a smart man. lol

and anyone who can keep cano in pinstripes is ok in my book.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 10:21 AM
So apparently cruise control is not the same as auto-pilot.....

shortest.nap.everrrr......

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 10:58 AM
I flipping hate Jayz with a passion. Wish hed stay away from sports. Especially my teams.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 11:09 AM
hey dezz....why dont you STFU, you ****ing downer!

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 11:13 AM
I flipping hate Jayz with a passion. Wish hed stay away from sports. Especially my teams.
He's a self important dope.

Moke
04-03-2013, 11:26 AM
Jay-Z is a businessman!

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 11:27 AM
hey dezz....why dont you STFU, you ****ing downer!No! Victor is going down a dark path. He needs to focus 100% on football like he was doing post 2011. He being blinded by jayz and the glamor life. Hes not hungry like he was.

"The worst thing that happened to you, that can happen to any fighter: you got civilized."
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSI3KGAc8u-PGMBXDRlpuTEgxhwhN6IQHNG8v8lzBgE17FJjDBqDQ

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 11:31 AM
No! Victor is going down a dark path. He needs to focus 100% on football like he was doing post 2011. He being blinded by jayz and the glamor life. Hes not hungry like he was.

"The worst thing that happened to you, that can happen to any fighter: you got civilized."
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSI3KGAc8u-PGMBXDRlpuTEgxhwhN6IQHNG8v8lzBgE17FJjDBqDQ

This obsession with the Cruz situation is silly. He's been tendered. He's either going to play for us in 2013 for $2.8MM or he's going to sign a longer term contract (which is highly likely). There is nothing to see with Cruz. The season is 6 months away and he's trying to make the best deal he can.
There is a 100% chance he's a Giant this coming season and at least 75% chance for several years after that.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 11:31 AM
No! Victor is going down a dark path. He needs to focus 100% on football like he was doing post 2011. He being blinded by jayz and the glamor life. Hes not hungry like he was. "The worst thing that happened to you, that can happen to any fighter: you got civilized." https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSI3KGAc8u-PGMBXDRlpuTEgxhwhN6IQHNG8v8lzBgE17FJjDBqDQCruz has a life outside of football you know. It's not like he's hanging around with Jay-Z during the season, and what dark path? Lol what has he done to make you think he's going down a dark path? Taking a trip to St. Lucia? OMG dark pathzz

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 11:43 AM
This obsession with the Cruz situation is silly. He's been tendered. He's either going to play for us in 2013 for $2.8MM or he's going to sign a longer term contract (which is highly likely). There is nothing to see with Cruz. The season is 6 months away and he's trying to make the best deal he can.
There is a 100% chance he's a Giant this coming season and at least 75% chance for several years after that.

I agree....im so tired of talking about it lol.

here's a list of things that could prevent Cruz from continuing being good:
-Eli Manning not playing on the Giants
-Hakeem Nicks not staying healthy
-Season ending injury to himself.


yep that about wraps it up. he'll be here, and he'll be good.

The only thing Jay-Z can affect is his money, and thats really of no concern of mine, as i think WRs are overpaid.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 11:44 AM
Cruz has a life outside of football you know. It's not like he's hanging around with Jay-Z during the season, and what dark path? Lol what has he done to make you think he's going down a dark path? Taking a trip to St. Lucia? OMG dark pathzzSure he is. He goes clubbing and wants Jayz to help produce his clothing line. Hes not hungry anymore. And constantly quoting Jayz songs makes him look like hes got a few screws loose imo. This is coming from a guy that loves Cruz. Cruz is getting lost in the lime light, like a moth to a zapper. He needs to remember where he came from and how hard he had to work to get where he is.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 11:48 AM
Sure he is. He goes clubbing and wants Jayz to help produce his clothing line. Hes not hungry anymore. And constantly quoting Jayz songs makes him look like hes got a few screws loose imo. This is coming from a guy that loves Cruz. Cruz is getting lost in the lime light, like a moth to a zapper. He needs to remember where he came from and how hard he had to work to get where he is.How do you know he doesn't remember where he came from? How are you going to judge him just by what you "think" is happening. It's obvious you don't like Jay-Z, that's perfectly fine, but he's not turning Cruz into some bad person. Like I said, Cruz has a life outside of football...if he wants to go to the club and have fun, let him. He's not hurting anybody or himself. He's not the only athlete that goes to clubs. So what if he quotes Jay-Z songs? You are looking way too deep into this. And the clothes? Uh, that's a good business venture..is he the devil now because he's learning how to make a little more money?

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 11:48 AM
I agree....im so tired of talking about it lol.

here's a list of things that could prevent Cruz from continuing being good:
-Eli Manning not playing on the Giants
-Hakeem Nicks not staying healthy
-Season ending injury to himself.


yep that about wraps it up. he'll be here, and he'll be good.

The only thing Jay-Z can affect is his money, and thats really of no concern of mine, as i think WRs are overpaid.You just said in another thread Cruz is in Jiggas pocket. That doesnt bother you, why isnt he in the Giants pocket, you know the team that gave him a shot and is about to make him a multimillionaire.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 11:49 AM
Sure he is. He goes clubbing and wants Jayz to help produce his clothing line. Hes not hungry anymore. And constantly quoting Jayz songs makes him look like hes got a few screws loose imo. This is coming from a guy that loves Cruz. Cruz is getting lost in the lime light, like a moth to a zapper. He needs to remember where he came from and how hard he had to work to get where he is.

wow you are SUCH a loser. it's like youre complaining about your girlfriend. youre the one who looks like youve got a few screws loose.

Cruz has become a HUGE celebrity. People want to be around him. Celebrities hang out with other celebrities.

If Cruz pukes on the field every weekend, and gets 500 yards on the season, then you can complain.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:03 PM
wow you are SUCH a loser. it's like youre complaining about your girlfriend. youre the one who looks like youve got a few screws loose.

Cruz has become a HUGE celebrity. People want to be around him. Celebrities hang out with other celebrities.

If Cruz pukes on the field every weekend, and gets 500 yards on the season, then you can complain.I thought that was a known fact around here.

You know Im right to some extent. You just said in another thread Cruz is in Jayz pocket. Its not like Im saying he isnt good anymore. He doesnt seem as hungry and as focused as he once was. Had 9 drops last year. Few of those in Big spots.

Cruz said he wouldnt make money an issue when his contract situation came up, but he is, big time.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:04 PM
You just said in another thread Cruz is in Jiggas pocket. That doesnt bother you, why isnt he in the Giants pocket, you know the team that gave him a shot and is about to make him a multimillionaire.

they are friends. who ****ing cares?

JAY-Z IS JUST ANOTHER REASON HE STAYS IN NY, so wtf are you complaining about?!?!

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:06 PM
You know Im right to some extent. You just said in another thread Cruz is in Jayz pocket. Its not like Im saying he isnt good anymore. He doesnt seem as hungry and as focused as he once was. Had 9 drops last year. Few of those in Big spots.

Cruz said he wouldnt make money an issue when his contract situation came up, but he is, big time.

Yea, I said that because they are obviously close. It doesn't mean I think he's turning into some rock star who no longer plays football. If he shows it on the field, that's when I'll care. Till then, I don't care at all.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:06 PM
they are friends. who ****ing cares?JAY-Z IS JUST ANOTHER REASON HE STAYS IN NY, so wtf are you complaining about?!?!Because he doesn't like Sean Carter and think's he's gonna turn Cruz away from the Giants lol.

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:13 PM
Sure he is. He goes clubbing and wants Jayz to help produce his clothing line. Hes not hungry anymore. And constantly quoting Jayz songs makes him look like hes got a few screws loose imo. This is coming from a guy that loves Cruz. Cruz is getting lost in the lime light, like a moth to a zapper. He needs to remember where he came from and how hard he had to work to get where he is.
Oh my God Dez...Who cares?
You're just looking for problems that aren't there.
The kid is entitled to live his life.
The whole "He's friends with Jay Z" argument has got to take the cake for absolute irrelevance.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:13 PM
they are friends. who ****ing cares?

JAY-Z IS JUST ANOTHER REASON HE STAYS IN NY, so wtf are you complaining about?!?!Cause hes not hungry like he was post 2011

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:13 PM
Because he doesn't like Sean Carter and think's he's gonna turn Cruz away from the Giants lol.

not a chance....

"competition is- naaadaaaaa"

see what I did there?

Edit - it's a ****ing Jay-Z quote!! lmao

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:14 PM
Yea, I said that because they are obviously close. It doesn't mean I think he's turning into some rock star who no longer plays football. If he shows it on the field, that's when I'll care. Till then, I don't care at all.His numbers were down from 2011. 9 drops....

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:14 PM
not a chance...."competition is- naaadaaaaa"see what I did there?Edit - it's a ****ing Jay-Z quote!! lmaoI did see what you did there. Good job.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:14 PM
The whole "He's friends with Jay Z" argument has got to take the cake for absolute irrelevance.

For old man MH to say this, you know it's gotta be true!!

hahahahaha!!

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:15 PM
His numbers were down from 2011. 9 drops....And according to your calculations, those 9 drops were from the power of Jay-Z? Lolz

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:15 PM
For the record, the entire team sucked, not just Cruz.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:15 PM
His numbers were down from 2011. 9 drops....

lol, 2011 was a RIDICULOUS accomplishment. He's not going to put up 1500 yards every year Dezz.

youre totally right though, Jay-Z makes him drop passes.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:16 PM
not a chance...."competition is- naaadaaaaa"see what I did there?Edit - it's a ****ing Jay-Z quote!! lmaoI KNOW IT WAS, YOU DIDN'T NEED TO TELL ME.

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:19 PM
His numbers were down from 2011. 9 drops....
Everybody's numbers were down from 2011. 2011 wasa bizarre year for passing yards.
As a matter of fact, his 2012 productivity was a validation of his 2011 season.
I think he was only one of only 4 or 5 WR's in the league with 1000 yards and 10 TD's.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:20 PM
I KNOW IT WAS, YOU DIDN'T NEED TO TELL ME.

it was more for Dezz.....who doesn't know the music =P

He's still stuck on Big Pun and guys who havent been around for 15 years.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:21 PM
Everybody's numbers were down from 2011. 2011 wasa bizarre year for passing yards.
As a matter of fact, his 2012 productivity was a validation of his 2011 season.
I think he was only one of only 4 or 5 WR's in the league with 1000 yards and 10 TD's.

yes, and had Nicks been a healthy threat, I'd bet Cruz would have been at the top of lists.

Moke
04-03-2013, 12:25 PM
I heard Cruz and Jay-z were getting married.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:27 PM
it was more for Dezz.....who doesn't know the music =PHe's still stuck on Big Pun and guys who havent been around for 15 years.OH, MY B.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 12:27 PM
I heard Cruz and Jay-z were getting married.Dez is irate.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:33 PM
Oh my God Dez...Who cares?
You're just looking for problems that aren't there.
The kid is entitled to live his life.
The whole "He's friends with Jay Z" argument has got to take the cake for absolute irrelevance.You just said hes a self important dope (unless you were talking about me ;) ) Do you really want him around Cruz?
Jiggaz also bff with Obama MH....

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:34 PM
You just said hes a self important dope (unless you were talking about me ;) ) Do you really want him around Cruz?
Jiggaz also bff with Obama MH....
My point is that who cares who's he's friends with. Just go play. Which I'm sure he will continue to do at a high level.

Now if he was friends with Charlie Manson...that might be different.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:35 PM
lol, 2011 was a RIDICULOUS accomplishment. He's not going to put up 1500 yards every year Dezz.

youre totally right though, Jay-Z makes him drop passes.

Maybe if he threw up the rocafella sign during the play he might of caught those passes!!! ziiiing

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:35 PM
You just said hes a self important dope (unless you were talking about me ;) ) Do you really want him around Cruz?
Jiggaz also bff with Obama MH....

It's true....I once heard him say in a song that he's "got Obama on the text...", so I mean, it's just a matter of time before Cruz is bffs with Obama too, amirite? I hear they already went on a date to a salsa club.

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Maybe if he threw up the rocafella sign during the play he might of caught those passes!!!
Cruz had a very nice season last year coming off 2011. It was important that he validate what he did in 2011, which is exactly what he did in 2012.
Doing it once could be a fluke or a one year wonder. Doing it in back to back seasons makes him a serious NFL WR.

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:40 PM
Looks like the conditions for tonights game might be unbearable.
Its 37 here and windy right now. What's it going to be tonight on the Bronx?

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:42 PM
Cruz had a very nice season last year coming off 2011. It was important that he validate what he did in 2011, which is exactly what he did in 2012.
Doing it once could be a fluke or a one year wonder. Doing it in back to back seasons makes him a serious NFL WR.Im not being entirely serious. Cruz had a very nice season last year, majority of it without Nicks or a one legged Nicks. But I do think Cruz lacks the focus he once did when he was coming up with us. Be it the celebs, Jayz, his clothing line, whatever the case may be. He said during the season he wasnt going to make money an issue. Rubs me the wrong way, Nothing wrong with getting paid but dont do what you said you wouldnt.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:42 PM
I don't know why I just thought of this, but yesterday on Reddit, there was a front page post that said "Video of Tupac 1995 deposition. Quite a difference between this and Lil Wayne's deposition"

So i'm like, ok, let me watch(it was the case where he was sued for someone killing a cop, and they claimed it was caused by 2Pac's lyrics, >.< ) .......and I'm like, this guy is smart, and well-spoken. I like him. lol
and then I went into the reddit link comments to find the lil wayne one they were talking about. and hoooooooly ****, what a ****ing ******. he's basically just talking back to the lawyer the whole time, and the judge had to be like "just answer...."
It was the most frustrating thing to watch. awful.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:43 PM
Looks like the conditions for tonights game might be unbearable.
Its 37 here and windy right now. What's it going to be tonight on the Bronx?

none of us live in the bronx....you ask here instead of checking NOAA? lol

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:46 PM
Im not being entirely serious. Cruz had a very nice season last year, majority of it without Nicks or a one legged Nicks. But I do think Cruz lacks the focus he once did when he was coming up with us. Be it the celebs, Jayz, his clothing line, whatever the case may be. He said during the season he wasnt going to make money an issue. Rubs me the wrong way, Nothing wrong with getting paid but dont do what you said you wouldnt.
You're looking for things that aren't there.

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 12:47 PM
none of us live in the bronx....you ask here instead of checking NOAA? lol
It was a rhetorical question.
My point is that its going to be cold.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:49 PM
it was more for Dezz.....who doesn't know the music =P

He's still stuck on Big Pun and guys who havent been around for 15 years.Pun had more talent in one ounce of fat than Jayz ever had, or ever will have.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:53 PM
It was a rhetorical question.
My point is that its going to be cold.Yea going to be chilly. 31 tonight. 18 mph winds.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 12:55 PM
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/549485_583295388347863_1011109714_n.jpg
goooooo awayy!!!!

Moke
04-03-2013, 12:56 PM
"THEE NYG RAP DISCUSSION THREAD"

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 12:58 PM
Pun had more talent in one ounce of fat than Jayz ever had, or ever will have.

Pun isn't even on the chart of greats. STRIVE FOR MEDIOCRITY!!

anyway...lunch time. back in a bit.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:00 PM
Pun isn't even on the chart of greats. STRIVE FOR MEDIOCRITY!!

anyway...lunch time. back in a bit.Charts of greats?? lol Id like to see that.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 01:03 PM
Lmfao Pun better than Jay-Z hahahahhahahahaha

Moke
04-03-2013, 01:04 PM
Pun is better than Jay-z

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 01:05 PM
Pun is better than Jay-zYou don't like rap.

Moke
04-03-2013, 01:07 PM
You don't like rap.

Rap city *****, rap rap city *****

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:07 PM
Lmfao Pun better than Jay-Z hahahahhahahahahaFat Joe was better than Jiiga in the 90's. lmao.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 01:09 PM
Fat Joe was better than Jiiga in the 90's. lmao.No.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:14 PM
No.Fat joe was nasty in the 90's. Some thought Pun wrote his **** cause he sold out after Pun died and now makes music like gayz.

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:20 PM
Yanks are looking crippled currently, man. You could be right though.

Nix is a HORRIBLE fielder by the way, and it's not feasible for us to leave Youk at 3rd either, because our 1st base options are atrocious lol.

overbay is a solid backup

Tex, Granderson, and Jeter will be back in May...

relax lol its ****in baseball

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:20 PM
paid too high for him. ehhh maybe not. hard to tell.

I picked up Tex with my last pick, cuz i figured why not. As soon as he went on the DL i was able to pick up an extra guy, so it ddidnt impact me really. I'll drop him as soon as another player gets injured tho

thats a no brainer. Hes going to miss April lol

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Giving a slot wr 21 mill guaranteed is whats nuts

yea because, they never last

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:22 PM
Lackey, Crawford, Ellsbury (got hurt in the first week) and Bailey come to mind just thinking aloud.
Then we lost Pappy for the entire second half.

My point is that old players tend to get hurt.

Lackey?

Thats like me saying Chin Ming Wang got injured in AAA, it has no effect

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:23 PM
As I have been saying all the yanks have to do is stay above .500 before grandy and tex get back. Every ones over reacting. Yanks will make the playoffs. BOOK IT!

its rare we agree.. but i completely agree

I can't believe the over exaggeration of this crap lol. People just do it EVERY year for the Yanks hoping to be right eventually. The closest they came is when we finished 2nd in the AL East and didn't make the playoffs.

SOOO sick of everybody blowing Toronto too. Every year we hear it.

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:24 PM
I'm simply "reacting"...lol.

Like I said, I wouldnt really be bummed if the Yanks spent one season in the dumps. We continue to shave money off the payroll to keep under that penalty, and then in 2015, it's going to be us getting all the young studs. It will work out to our advantage, big time.

Dude, we'll be fine come May... relax yourself

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:25 PM
I'm not asking you guys to dislike a player because he's older. I'm just saying that your FO is doing a crap job of not letting the entire team get old at once.
Its a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for the advice boston fan, but we'll do our business the way we do business thanks though

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:27 PM
that was awful. but we had no outfielders, and we got (slightly) lucky cuz we dont have to pay the whole horrible salary that LAA signed him to lol

and i think the Vernon Wells outrage is pretty ridiculous too

we got him for his power. Hes still a 20-25 hr a year guy in a full season

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:28 PM
Jay-Z is a businessman!

hes not a businessman

HES A BUSINESS, MAN!

MattMeyerBud
04-03-2013, 01:29 PM
And according to your calculations, those 9 drops were from the power of Jay-Z? Lolz

If Jay Z "dropped" 9 studio records, then im on board with the conspiracy theory with dez

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:33 PM
If Jay Z "dropped" 9 studio records, then im on board with the conspiracy theory with dezI was mostly just messing around, but I still dont like Jayz getting into sports, especially with my favorite teams.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 01:35 PM
Dezz u friggen suk dawg

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:37 PM
and i think the Vernon Wells outrage is pretty ridiculous too

we got him for his power. Hes still a 20-25 hr a year guy in a full seasonMe too. I do wish the yanks would look at avg more than HRs though.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 01:41 PM
my unbiased opinion is: Jay-Z has had 3 amazing albums(some might argue more, but I choose 3). Pun had 1 good one.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 01:42 PM
Dude, we'll be fine come May... relax yourself

dude, did you NOT read the post you just quoted? I had said I don't really care lol.

1) it's not a huge
2) it's not a huge issue TO ME
3) it's just baseball.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 01:46 PM
If Jay Z "dropped" 9 studio records, then im on board with the conspiracy theory with dez

He's got 10. so close!!
(11 if you count American Gangster)

Moke
04-03-2013, 01:50 PM
hes not a businessman

HES A BUSINESS, MAN!

OH ****. U GOT IT.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:50 PM
my unbiased opinion is: Jay-Z has had 3 amazing albums(some might argue more, but I choose 3). Pun had 1 good one.All 3 of his albums were awesome man. He was on almost every song on Fat joes albums in the 90s, was on a bunch of terror squad songs. Ya wrong. Jayz highly over rated and just not that good. I like some of his beats though.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 01:50 PM
Me too. I do wish the yanks would look at avg more than HRs though.

it's mostly that i dont like wasting big $ on a player who has declined for the past 3 years almost into irrelevance. We pay what, $13+ mill of his contract? lotta money for a below average outfielder who can barely hit .250

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 01:56 PM
Wheres Kase when you need him?

Moke
04-03-2013, 01:58 PM
Jay-Z is only good for 2 things:

1) Banging Beyonce
2) Getting you to sign in NY

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 02:00 PM
Moke is good for only 2 things:

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 02:01 PM
...hold on, I'm thinking..

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:01 PM
All 3 of his albums were awesome man. He was on almost every song on Fat joes albums in the 90s, was on a bunch of terror squad songs. Ya wrong. Jayz highly over rated and just not that good. I like some of his beats though.

would it make you feel better if I told you that the last Jay-Z album that i thought was great was Blueprint, like 13 years ago? ya know...since youre all about nostalgia over overall quality?

-Capital Punishment; good
-Yeeaah Baby; very blah
-Are you considering a greatest hits compilation album (lol...greatest hits) an actual album???? wtf dezz =P

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:01 PM
...hold on, I'm thinking..

i lol'd

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:02 PM
Wheres Kase when you need him?

I like all the same music you and Kase do. But youre both also obsessed with the hipsterism of hip hop. Since you know that nothing good came out after like 1998, youre so ridiculously biased lol.

Moke
04-03-2013, 02:04 PM
Moke is good for only 2 things:


...hold on, I'm thinking..

I lol'd

Even though that is not true

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 02:05 PM
i lol'dI'm on the block like I'm 8 feet tall.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:05 PM
I lol'd

Even though that is not true

shut up you no talent *** clown!! =]

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 02:06 PM
I lol'dEven though that is not trueBUT IT IS

Moke
04-03-2013, 02:06 PM
I'm on the block like I'm 8 feet tall.

WTF R U SAYIN


shut up you no talent *** clown!! =]

Like Jay-Z

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:08 PM
I'm on the block like I'm 8 feet tall.

Homey i'm in the drop with the AC on

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 02:13 PM
Yea going to be chilly. 31 tonight. 18 mph winds.
Can't play baseball in those conditions.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:15 PM
Can't play baseball in those conditions.

youre right. guess we just shouldnt have playoffs and ws anymore. lol

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 02:18 PM
Homey i'm in the drop with the AC on+1

Moke
04-03-2013, 02:22 PM
I get my large check tomorrow, and I have a $182 balance to pay off, but my current balance is $500.

Not sure what to do. Thinking about just paying the whole thing off so I don't have to see that insane #.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 02:28 PM
would it make you feel better if I told you that the last Jay-Z album that i thought was great was Blueprint, like 13 years ago? ya know...since youre all about nostalgia over overall quality?

-Capital Punishment; good
-Yeeaah Baby; very blah
-Are you considering a greatest hits compilation album (lol...greatest hits) an actual album???? wtf dezz =P you forgot endangered species

Yea the Blueprint, how original, not like he stole that name from Krs. Seriously how can anyone like him? I wish him and Nas still had beef just so Nas could call him out on how fake he is.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:36 PM
you forgot endangered species

Yea the Blueprint, how original, not like he stole that name from Krs. Seriously how can anyone like him? I wish him and Nas still had beef just so Nas could call him out on how fake he is.

Endangerd Species is a greatest hits album compilation with a few originals. it's not a big pun album. get real.

ohh the blueprint debate, how original. who gives a ****. You know the last time anyone even thought of KRS-1? When Kanye put him on a song like 6 years ago.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:38 PM
I get my large check tomorrow, and I have a $182 balance to pay off, but my current balance is $500.

Not sure what to do. Thinking about just paying the whole thing off so I don't have to see that insane #.

**** debt. pay it off.

Moke
04-03-2013, 02:41 PM
**** debt. pay it off.

I know, but it's going to suck that I have to wait 2 more weeks for another paycheck :(

Man, credit cards are worse than I imagined! I'm just only going to use it for restaurants and **** to get points.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 02:41 PM
Endangerd Species is a greatest hits album compilation with a few originals. it's not a big pun album. get real.

ohh the blueprint debate, how original. who gives a ****. You know the last time anyone even thought of KRS-1? When Kanye put him on a song like 6 years ago.Endangered Species is a posthumous and compilation of unreleased tracks, guest appearances, and greatest hits by the late rapper Big Pun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Pun),

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:44 PM
Endangered Species is a posthumous and compilation of unreleased tracks, guest appearances, and greatest hits by the late rapper Big Pun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Pun),

if you claim to be a big pun fan, then you know that 75% of that album was stuff on previous albums of the members of terror squad.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 02:52 PM
anyone else been having bad allergies so far this "spring"(and i use the term spring loosely)?

Moke
04-03-2013, 02:58 PM
anyone else been having bad allergies so far this "spring"(and i use the term spring loosely)?

Yeah. Went to play ball this weekend and I couldn't breathe at times. Felt horrible. Never had allergies before so I've been getting hit with it the the past 2 years.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:02 PM
anyone else been having bad allergies so far this "spring"(and i use the term spring loosely)?Im flat out sick. Stuffy nose, sore throat, coughing like a maniac. Snot so green and yellow its fluorescent. Gross stuff

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 03:02 PM
youre right. guess we just shouldnt have playoffs and ws anymore. lol
31 degrees and 18 MPH wind?
Baseball is a summer game. It wasn't designed to be played in those kind of conditions. No fun for anyone, including the fans.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:03 PM
Im flat out sick. Stuffy nose, sore throat, coughing like a maniac. Snot so green and yellow its fluorescent. Gross stuffAlkazelter Plus. Oh what a relief it is.

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:05 PM
I need that **** too

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:06 PM
I need that **** tooSick too?

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:08 PM
Sick too?

I got the runny noses and sore throat. Think it might just be the allergies though.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:08 PM
Alkazelter Plus. Oh what a relief it is.Iv been poppin exter-c and zinc. The zinc cleared the congestion up a bit.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:10 PM
Iv been poppin exter-c and zinc. The zinc cleared the congestion up a bit.I hate congestion, it's the freaking worssttt.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:17 PM
Yeah. Went to play ball this weekend and I couldn't breathe at times. Felt horrible. Never had allergies before so I've been getting hit with it the the past 2 years.

dude me too!! i've never had allergies before! i just wasnt prepared for this lol. And it's caused a terrible chain reaction of issues. to fix the itchy EVERYTHING my face was experiencing i took some allegra....but i was still super congested, so i took some sudafed....but then i got post-nasal drip while sleeping...and now i cant stop coughing up all that **** in my lungs. DOUBLE YOO TEE EFF, MATE!?!?!

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:18 PM
if you claim to be a big pun fan, then you know that 75% of that album was stuff on previous albums of the members of terror squad.11 songs out of 24 were unreleased. youre wrong. Start calling you cruz or cano you have jiggaz d in your mouth. :)

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:18 PM
dude me too!! i've never had allergies before! i just wasnt prepared for this lol. And it's caused a terrible chain reaction of issues. to fix the itchy EVERYTHING my face was experiencing i took some allegra....but i was still super congested, so i took some sudafed....but then i got post-nasal drip while sleeping...and now i cant stop coughing up all that **** in my lungs. DOUBLE YOO TEE EFF, MATE!?!?!

YA MAN!

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:23 PM
YA MAN!

TOTALLY BRO

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:24 PM
11 songs out of 24 were unreleased. youre wrong. Start calling you cruz or cano you have jiggaz d in your mouth. :)

I'm going to come to your place of business, and take ****s in display toilets.

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:24 PM
I never took a **** in a display toilet, but I want to. I'm with you on this one Jpizzak

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:25 PM
I only get sick like..twice a year, and it's from bronchitis. Sucks so bad, hate bronchitis.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:26 PM
I never took a **** in a display toilet, but I want to. I'm with you on this one Jpizzak

You ever watch Donald Glover's stand up where he talks about his foster brother doing it in a home depot when they were kids?

Dad - "uhh......................RUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!"

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:26 PM
I only get sick like..twice a year, and it's from bronchitis. Sucks so bad, hate bronchitis.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxePCoVyW74_lZUu0cQlC7XN50imzcE am12uTLZgtt6wKBW_tU

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:27 PM
You ever watch Donald Glover's stand up where he talks about his foster brother doing it in a home depot when they were kids?

Dad - "uhh......................RUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!"

No, but I would really love to see that LOL.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:28 PM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxePCoVyW74_lZUu0cQlC7XN50imzcE am12uTLZgtt6wKBW_tUI agree, Sweet Brown.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:29 PM
No, but I would really love to see that LOL.

he's a pretty good comic. he plays Troy on Community, and he was a writer on 30 Rock for awhile.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:29 PM
I only get sick like..twice a year, and it's from bronchitis. Sucks so bad, hate bronchitis.Iv had bronchitis at least 15 times. It is absolutely terrible. Got it a lot when I smoked cigs.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 03:30 PM
Iv had bronchitis at least 15 times. It is absolutely terrible. Got it a lot when I smoked cigs.Yeah, you get chronic bronchitis from smoking. Mine is only acute, but it's still bad.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:34 PM
Yeah, you get chronic bronchitis from smoking. Mine is only acute, but it's still bad.

I'm a smoker and I've only gotten in once (this winter), I had bronchial pneumonia >.<

Morehead State
04-03-2013, 03:34 PM
Yeah, you get chronic bronchitis from smoking. Mine is only acute, but it's still bad.
I feel great.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:35 PM
You ever watch Donald Glover's stand up where he talks about his foster brother doing it in a home depot when they were kids?

Dad - "uhh......................RUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!"lol that was in that movie with Vince Vaun with the couples going on a couples retreat. Forgot the name.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:44 PM
lol that was in that movie with Vince Vaun with the couples going on a couples retreat. Forgot the name.

I THINK i know what yorue talking about, but i never saw it cuz i heard it was terrible. lol

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:51 PM
I THINK i know what yorue talking about, but i never saw it cuz i heard it was terrible. lolIt was

Moke
04-03-2013, 03:51 PM
LOL, RANGERS TRADED GABORIK FOR ONE PLAYER THAT IS INJURED ALL SEASON AND 2 OTHER GUYS THAT ARE MEH.

Columbus gets Gaborik. BAH!

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 03:55 PM
LOL, RANGERS TRADED GABORIK FOR ONE PLAYER THAT IS INJURED ALL SEASON AND 2 OTHER GUYS THAT ARE MEH.

Columbus gets Gaborik. BAH!Hes been a huge disappointment. Glad hes gone.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 03:57 PM
Rangers have been a huge disappointment..

fixed that for ya...

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 04:01 PM
fixed that for ya...mehh, they kind of are. We should be winning like the blackhawks and the penguins with the players we have.

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 04:03 PM
mehh, they kind of are. We should be winning like the blackhawks and the penguins with the players we have.

agreed.

is it a cohesion problem? these guys just suck TOGETHER??? wtf

Moke
04-03-2013, 04:04 PM
At least they will be more defensive, but still... we need goal scorers... even though Gaborik sucks recently.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 04:06 PM
agreed.

is it a cohesion problem? these guys just suck TOGETHER??? wtfMight be Tort, he calls out players a lot. I like him. I dont know. Some nights they look great, and others, not so much.

Moke
04-03-2013, 04:10 PM
Ranger deal with Columbus.

We obtained grit that got us far last year. We lost a "goal-scorer".

JPizzack
04-03-2013, 04:17 PM
Ranger deal with Columbus.

We obtained grit that got us far last year. We lost a "goal-scorer".

Rangers have scorers......they just dont score.

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 04:18 PM
I feel great.I'm glad!

Rudyy
04-03-2013, 04:19 PM
Gayngers hahahahhahahaha

Moke
04-03-2013, 04:21 PM
Gayngers hahahahhahahaha

Coming from the Devils fan who aren't any better

Moke
04-03-2013, 04:21 PM
Rangers have scorers......they just dont score.

Oh right, forgot about Torts and his ugly system.

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 05:31 PM
Seems like many giant fans are becoming restless with this whole Jayz thing and not signing.....

egyptian420
04-03-2013, 06:13 PM
Seems like many giant fans are becoming restless with this whole Jayz thing and not signing.....I'm becoming restless with this whole Cruz thing and not signing

I'm not as restless as some on this forum because I know he'll be here for 2013 but it would get a load off our chest if he signed before this season started, preferably soon

dezzzR
04-03-2013, 08:17 PM
http://media1.sulia.com/static/user_images/9/2013-03-31/8f3c01a4-8da8-4cc2-a5cd-fbee034e6c21

Moke
04-03-2013, 10:05 PM
Lol at the rangers..

5-1 they are winning. 2 of their best players on the ice today are newbies to NY.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 09:19 AM
Lol at the rangers..

5-1 they are winning. 2 of their best players on the ice today are newbies to NY.




hey sometimes ya gotta shake things up I guess.

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:34 AM
Jay-Z is only good for 2 things:

1) Banging Beyonce
2) Getting you to sign in NY

#2 has yet to be proven

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:35 AM
Me too. I do wish the yanks would look at avg more than HRs though.

yea but i think we're just signed him to knock a few out while grandy is out and DH and pinch hit situationally.

I think it was the exact type of signing we needed. He hit a jack yesterday... but that doesn't matter when you give up 7 runs

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:36 AM
I like all the same music you and Kase do. But youre both also obsessed with the hipsterism of hip hop. Since you know that nothing good came out after like 1998, youre so ridiculously biased lol.

maybe not 98, thats extreme

but im not so sure 2004 isn't a pretty good cutoff

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:38 AM
I'm a smoker and I've only gotten in once (this winter), I had bronchial pneumonia >.<

i've been E-Cigging it for the past 3 weeks. Only had 2 real cigs and thats when i was drinking

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:38 AM
LOL, RANGERS TRADED GABORIK FOR ONE PLAYER THAT IS INJURED ALL SEASON AND 2 OTHER GUYS THAT ARE MEH.

Columbus gets Gaborik. BAH!

obviously not a big hockey guy, but even i was surprised about that

MattMeyerBud
04-04-2013, 10:39 AM
Seems like many giant fans are becoming restless with this whole Jayz thing and not signing.....

I gotta be honest Dezz, not really loving it either. I think this is a move that will add to the headache of this cruz ordeal

Moke
04-04-2013, 10:44 AM
obviously not a big hockey guy, but even i was surprised about that


All 3 of the players we got recently played well last night.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 10:46 AM
maybe not 98, thats extreme

but im not so sure 2004 isn't a pretty good cutoff

I wouldn't know when to call it a good time to stop. There has always been music i've liked and hated varying by year lol

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 10:48 AM
I gotta be honest Dezz, not really loving it either. I think this is a move that will add to the headache of this cruz ordeal

at first i thought it was stupid anyway....but, sports agents in general are terrible for sports. maybe something new HAS to be done.

Imagine if Scott Boras ran sports in general. w...t....f....

idk, we'll see what happens. we have literally a year to see it get worked out for Cruz

byron
04-04-2013, 11:28 AM
i've been E-Cigging it for the past 3 weeks. Only had 2 real cigs and thats when i was drinking good for you Matt stick with it man.....

byron
04-04-2013, 11:40 AM
at first i thought it was stupid anyway....but, sports agents in general are terrible for sports. maybe something new HAS to be done.

Imagine if Scott Boras ran sports in general. w...t....f....

idk, we'll see what happens. we have literally a year to see it get worked out for Cruz I don't like it either....what qualifies Jay-z to be a sports agent ....I truly hate this contract bull**** man...I think Cruz loves being in the celebrity limelight to ****ing much... jmo.. its a total turnoff for me I guess I just like guys that go about their business and keep a low profile.....That Campbell's soup commercial drives me ****ing crazy....soup on the sidelines ? with your mother ?...Idk.....

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 11:44 AM
I don't like it either....what qualifies Jay-z to be a sports agent ....I truly hate this contract bull**** man...I think Cruz loves being in the celebrity limelight to ****ing much... jmo.. its a total turnoff for me I guess I just like guys that go about their business and keep a low profile.....That Campbell's soup commercial drives me ****ing crazy....soup on the sidelines ? with your mother ?...Idk.....

it's not Jay-Z as the agent, it's a company he owns. I'm not sure if he has any real names working for him, or if its just a up and coming type company.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 11:55 AM
I don't like it either....what qualifies Jay-z to be a sports agent ....I truly hate this contract bull**** man...I think Cruz loves being in the celebrity limelight to ****ing much... jmo.. its a total turnoff for me I guess I just like guys that go about their business and keep a low profile.....That Campbell's soup commercial drives me ****ing crazy....soup on the sidelines ? with your mother ?...Idk.....I love you B. lol

byron
04-04-2013, 11:55 AM
it's not Jay-Z as the agent, it's a company he owns. I'm not sure if he has any real names working for him, or if its just a up and coming type company. yeah I know but people are sure trying to make that connection some even thing jz is gonna save the day....this **** ain't good for the game....I watch very little media coverage of football any more because of the dramatization of **** like this....I liked the game far better in the old days when we had to scrounge around for info...now they force feed us bull**** for the most part...sorry for the rant

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 11:56 AM
it's not Jay-Z as the agent, it's a company he owns. I'm not sure if he has any real names working for him, or if its just a up and coming type company.Its still a toxic situation.

byron
04-04-2013, 12:02 PM
I love you B. lol I'm surprised Colman didn't hit him up to cook the soup on one of their stoves ..........hey maybe I'm on to something they could call it the "sideline special"....I'll stop now ......I feel better now.......I love the this mb anyone having trouble with the enter key not working? I just uped to ie10 probably another bug with mb

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 12:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2-GqYkwjTM

I dedicate this song to Victor.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 12:17 PM
how many pups so far B?

byron
04-04-2013, 12:19 PM
how many pups so far B? three 1 male 2 females..."chocolates " she probable got three more

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 12:25 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/04/04/report-victor-cruz-seeking-10-11-million-annually-from-new-york-giants/

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 12:41 PM
yeah I know but people are sure trying to make that connection some even thing jz is gonna save the day....this **** ain't good for the game....I watch very little media coverage of football any more because of the dramatization of **** like this....I liked the game far better in the old days when we had to scrounge around for info...now they force feed us bull**** for the most part...sorry for the rant

agents are bad for the game period....i just dont see how this changes things one way or the other....

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 12:43 PM
Its still a toxic situation.

oh man, youre one of those people now!! lol

"youre a toxic cancer bad influence poor leadership!" ...thats all of them in one sentance.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 12:47 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/04/04/report-victor-cruz-seeking-10-11-million-annually-from-new-york-giants/

he's not going to get that anywhere. lol

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 12:53 PM
he's not going to get that anywhere. lolIts a big cap hit pizzle. I love Cruz, but I love the Giants more and they have some young wrs on the bench. Cruz benefits highly from our system with all the options we run, and of course Eli.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 12:54 PM
he's not going to get that anywhere. lolHope not.

byron
04-04-2013, 12:59 PM
agents are bad for the game period....i just dont see how this changes things one way or the other.... you are right JP it probably doesn't.....influenced or not Cruz has decided what he wants... he my well be asking to much he may end up screwing himself......time will tell....don't mean to bring things down but its starting to get crazy

Morehead State
04-04-2013, 01:12 PM
agents are bad for the game period....i just dont see how this changes things one way or the other....
How are agents bad for the game? I don't get this at all. Is it your view that players shouldn't have representation?

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 01:19 PM
How are agents bad for the game? I don't get this at all. Is it your view that players shouldn't have representation?I think people like Jayz and other entrepreneurs like him are bad for the game.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 01:28 PM
Cruz doesnt deserve anything over 8 a year imo

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 01:50 PM
How is he only a system player? Riddle me that.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 01:51 PM
ugh thats such a high number!!! paying "skill" ppositions is the woooorst!!

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 01:53 PM
How is he only a system player? Riddle me that.

its the "product of the environment" argument.

it's proven true with a team run by Eli Manning. we do it with TEs every year....and the Smith to Cruz transition speaks for itself. Obviously Cruz is a great athlete. that doesnt mean he'd be great in Oakland, or in Jacksonville, etc...

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 01:57 PM
its the "product of the environment" argument.

it's proven true with a team run by Eli Manning. we do it with TEs every year....and the Smith to Cruz transition speaks for itself. Obviously Cruz is a great athlete. that doesnt mean he'd be great in Oakland, or in Jacksonville, etc...But I feel as if people say that to belittle what Cruz has done...and in dezz's case, I can make that assumption.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:00 PM
How is he only a system player? Riddle me that.Cruz is like a better version of steve smith. Faster, more athletic, bigger. The reason why they are so successful is because they are always running options. They dont know what theyre running until they read the defense or Eli checks them.

I wouldnt call him a system player because I think he can have success elsewhere unlike smith, but Cruz certainly wouldnt put up the numbers hes putting up here unless a top 5 qbs throwing to him.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:02 PM
Cruz is like a better version of steve smith. Faster, more athletic, bigger. The reason why they are so successful is because they are always running options. They dont know what theyre running until they read the defense or Eli checks them.

I wouldnt call him a system player because I think he can have success elsewhere unlike smith, but Cruz certainly wouldnt put up the numbers hes putting up here unless a top 5 qbs throwing to him.He will still get 1000+ yards 7-10 touchdown range. He's just that type of player


He's probably never going to get the 1500+ yards that everyone drools and compares his productivity to. Doesn't mean he won't be efficient somewhere else.

Morehead State
04-04-2013, 02:04 PM
Cruz is like a better version of steve smith. Faster, more athletic, bigger. The reason why they are so successful is because they are always running options. They dont know what theyre running until they read the defense or Eli checks them.

I wouldnt call him a system player because I think he can have success elsewhere unlike smith, but Cruz certainly wouldnt put up the numbers hes putting up here unless a top 5 qbs throwing to him.
Cruz is a good player but he doesn't even deserve what some of you guys suggest.
$6 to $7MM seems a bit high but its probably in the right range.
Welcome tot he world of the new CBO cap Victor.
You are a #2 WR on this team and you're getting #2 money. If he doesn't want to sign that's fine. He'll play for his tender amount of $2.8MM and see what happens after that.

But having said that, I don't believe any reports out there about what was offered and what was demanded. To me its all baseless speculation.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:05 PM
He will still get 1000+ yards 7-10 touchdown range. He's just that type of player


He's probably never going to get the 1500+ yards that everyone drools and compares his productivity to. Doesn't mean he won't be efficient somewhere else.On another team, no. i dont think so anyway. Look at Smith, Manningham. Smith broke the record for most catches by a giant in a season and hes been horrible. Manningham hasnt lived up to his contract in SF. We have a very "friendly" system for WRs.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:08 PM
On another team, no. i dont think so anyway. Look at Smith, Manningham. Smith broke the record for most catches by a giant in a season and hes been horrible. Manningham hasnt lived up to his contract in SF.I think he's better than both of those guys.

Also, both of them suffered knee injuries..unfortunately. Doesn't help with their production.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:09 PM
Cruz is a good player but he doesn't even deserve what some of you guys suggest.
$6 to $7MM seems a bit high but its probably in the right range.
Welcome tot he world of the new CBO cap Victor.
You are a #2 WR on this team and you're getting #2 money. If he doesn't want to sign that's fine. He'll play for his tender amount of $2.8MM and see what happens after that.

But having said that, I don't believe any reports out there about what was offered and what was demanded. To me its all baseless speculation.Correct,

Great player, I love him to death..but he shouldn't get crazy with his demands "IF" he is truly asking for more than $7 million..which I think is all media hype anyway.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:10 PM
I think he's better than both of those guys.

Also, both of them suffered knee injuries..unfortunately. Doesn't help with their production.Athletically I think Manningham has the edge but hes not that smart so yes Cruz is better than those two. Cruz is still young, whos to say he wont suffer the same fate, I mean this is the New York ACL tearing Giants we are talking about.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:13 PM
Athletically I think Manningham has the edge but hes not that smart so yes Cruz is better than those too. Cruz is still young, whos to say he wont suffer the same fate, I mean this is the New York ACL tearing Giants we are talking about.I will not have you talk about Cruzzy like that.

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JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:15 PM
Cruz is a good player but he doesn't even deserve what some of you guys suggest.
$6 to $7MM seems a bit high but its probably in the right range.
Welcome tot he world of the new CBO cap Victor.
You are a #2 WR on this team and you're getting #2 money. If he doesn't want to sign that's fine. He'll play for his tender amount of $2.8MM and see what happens after that.

But having said that, I don't believe any reports out there about what was offered and what was demanded. To me its all baseless speculation.

I'd give him $4mill, max

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:15 PM
I'd give him $4mill, maxThat's it?

Morehead State
04-04-2013, 02:15 PM
Athletically I think Manningham has the edge but hes not that smart so yes Cruz is better than those too. Cruz is still young, whos to say he wont suffer the same fate, I mean this is the New York ACL tearing Giants we are talking about.
I HATE that ridiculous "Manningham isn't smart enough" argument. I don't know where that crap comes from. But its stupid.

Having said that, Cruz runs very nice routes and is tough to cover, but he's definitely a slot guy. Would not thrive trying to beat press coverage.
He's a #2 WR. A very good one but still a #2. If a team out there wants to pay him like a #1 next year that's their problem. Cruz should jump on that if it happens.
Until then, he'll be on our team in 2013.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Athletically I think Manningham has the edge but hes not that smart.

this made me laugh, because Ham is probably the dumbest sounding person I've ever had the pleasure of hearing speak. Poor *******.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:20 PM
That's it?

Yes. Unless he's the one throwing TDs to himself, that's all WRs are worth. Who does he think he is? Megatron?

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:22 PM
lol, if Megatron wanted to be a Giant, and asked for a ridiculous contract, I'd be like "Who is Victor Cruz?" and then I'd follow it up with "Who else can we get rid of?"

1 WR sets would work just fine thank you =P

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:23 PM
Yes. Unless he's the one throwing TDs to himself, that's all WRs are worth. Who does he think he is? Megatron?And how many years?

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:25 PM
And how many years?

says he's looking for 10-11 annually? I'll give him 4 annually.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:26 PM
says he's looking for 10-11 annually? I'll give him 4 annually.6 or 7 is fair.

4 is just a tad bit low.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:27 PM
I HATE that ridiculous "Manningham isn't smart enough" argument. I don't know where that crap comes from. But its stupid.

Having said that, Cruz runs very nice routes and is tough to cover, but he's definitely a slot guy. Would not thrive trying to beat press coverage.
He's a #2 WR. A very good one but still a #2. If a team out there wants to pay him like a #1 next year that's their problem. Cruz should jump on that if it happens.
Until then, he'll be on our team in 2013.Well I dont think hes lazy, so what would you call it? Not knowing the playbook? How many times did we see Eli telling MM he ran the wrong route? Too many and I love MM.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:28 PM
this made me laugh, because Ham is probably the dumbest sounding person I've ever had the pleasure of hearing speak. Poor *******.Right up there with Jacobs. haha

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:30 PM
The Giants have signed DT Mike Patterson
Our lines getting meatyyyyyy

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:34 PM
The Giants have signed DT Mike Patterson
Our lines getting meatyyyyyyUntil their ACL's get the tearin'...

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:35 PM
I never want to work after I eat lunch.
I was so focused this morning, now....(fart noise with mouth)

byron
04-04-2013, 02:39 PM
I HATE that ridiculous "Manningham isn't smart enough" argument. I don't know where that crap comes from. But its stupid.

Having said that, Cruz runs very nice routes and is tough to cover, but he's definitely a slot guy. Would not thrive trying to beat press coverage.
He's a #2 WR. A very good one but still a #2. If a team out there wants to pay him like a #1 next year that's their problem. Cruz should jump on that if it happens.
Until then, he'll be on our team in 2013. I agree KG said of he that he was very good at reading d's and finding the open spots when he is doubled up its not as easy for him having Nicks on the field plays a big part in his numbers....I just don't see him as a #1 either especially without the help of another good receiver on the other side.....**** it at this point ....

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:41 PM
says he's looking for 10-11 annually? I'll give him 4 annually.Even Ill say thats not enough. Hes in the 6,7 range. Hell probably get more though. Id give him the 8 for SB 46. He was huge that season

byron
04-04-2013, 02:44 PM
6 or 7 is fair.

4 is just a tad bit low. in the beginning I was thinking around 5... with the contracts that have thrown around to wr's Idk...some these owners/gm's screw the whole league with the deals they make.....

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:45 PM
I never want to work after I eat lunch.
I was so focused this morning, now....(fart noise with mouth)

that's the ITIS settin' in, son....

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 02:50 PM
some these owners/gm's screw the whole league with the deals they make.....

yup. it's a big issue considering the different types of teams that are out there.

The Giants have a evenly spread roster. Teams like....idk Detroit.....Stafford has a decent contract, Megatron has a huge contract, and everyone else gets pennies lol. So they dont think twice about throwing away money. hardly seems legit.

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 02:51 PM
Nicks > Cruz

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 02:56 PM
Nicks > CruzWe need money for him too.

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 03:00 PM
Nicks > Cruz

Nicks is quite a specimen. I think youre right, cuz I'd take a healthy Nicks over a healthy Cruz anyway...so....

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 03:16 PM
Nicks is quite a specimen. I think youre right, cuz I'd take a healthy Nicks over a healthy Cruz anyway...so....Yeah same.

Lol I love how Ro is such a Cruz fan boy.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 03:17 PM
Yeah same.

Lol I love how Ro is such a Cruz fan boy.Ro is like that with every Giant, until they become prima donnas, Cruz is getting there though

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 03:20 PM
Ro is like that with every Giant, until they become prima donnas, Cruz is getting there thoughCruz is far from a prima donna. Just because you don't like him with Jay-Z doesn't make him a prima.

I don't think he's like that with every Giant...he says he's not the biggest Eli fan.

byron
04-04-2013, 03:24 PM
yup. it's a big issue considering the different types of teams that are out there.

The Giants have a evenly spread roster. Teams like....idk Detroit.....Stafford has a decent contract, Megatron has a huge contract, and everyone else gets pennies lol. So they dont think twice about throwing away money. hardly seems legit. I agree JP the pay system is not fair.....I'll leave it at that ...I love football the off season sucks all about money every year if it ain't about Cruz its somebody else.....

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 03:50 PM
Tom Coughlin says the Giants would have made it back to the Super Bowl in 2008 if it had not been for the Plaxico Burress incident.

I concur

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 03:51 PM
Tom Coughlin does not wear his two Super Bowl rings. "I'd like to get another one, so I don't wanna jinx it." - From Art Stapleton

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 03:51 PM
When Coughlin was hired by Giants in 2004: "The first thing Wellington Mara says to me is 'Welcome home." - From Paul Schwartz

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 03:57 PM
Tom Coughlin says the Giants would have made it back to the Super Bowl in 2008 if it had not been for the Plaxico Burress incident.

I concur

While i think it's totally possible that would have been the outcome, i HATE what-ifs.....

then you start sounding like the 2011 49ers, and Packers. "The better team didn't win..."

DavenIII
04-04-2013, 04:05 PM
I feel like ****, sore literally everywhere and light headed.

Morehead State
04-04-2013, 04:16 PM
Well I dont think hes lazy, so what would you call it? Not knowing the playbook? How many times did we see Eli telling MM he ran the wrong route? Too many and I love MM.
Just one play but in the GB game in 2010, MM ran to the open spot in the secondary and Eli threw it the other way into coverage. MM clearly made the proper sight adjustment and Eli, under pressure) made the wrong read. He had a "conversation" with MM making it look like he ran the wrong route but he clearly didn't.
Its the nature of sight adjustment routes.
This crap about MM running the wrong routes is nonsense. Its Message Board hype and nothing else.

DavenIII
04-04-2013, 04:48 PM
anyone ever take Oscillococcinum?

byron
04-04-2013, 04:52 PM
anyone ever take Oscillococcinum? oh no that stuff is homeopathic! nah man

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 04:56 PM
anyone ever take Oscillococcinum?

is that the one where the drug company is getting sued for false advertisement?

DavenIII
04-04-2013, 04:57 PM
co-worker told me to take it, I'm not picky lol.

DavenIII
04-04-2013, 04:58 PM
is that the one where the drug company is getting sued for false advertisement?

I looked it up on Wiki and yes, but whats the worst that can happen it doesn't work? I feel like such **** right now so many chills...and I have to ****ing bowl tonight.

dezzzR
04-04-2013, 04:59 PM
co-worker told me to take it, I'm not picky lol.zinc and exter-c been helping me. not that congested anymore, its all in my chest now

byron
04-04-2013, 05:00 PM
I looked it up on Wiki and yes, but whats the worst that can happen it doesn't work? I feel like such **** right now so many chills...and I have to ****ing bowl tonight. duck liver man.....bah.......Matt used something recently that worked can't remember what it was hit him up

JPizzack
04-04-2013, 05:00 PM
I looked it up on Wiki and yes, but whats the worst that can happen it doesn't work? I feel like such **** right now so many chills...and I have to ****ing bowl tonight.

nope youre right. seems like it doesnt have any side effect worth mentioning, so why not, right?

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 07:32 PM
I thought it was supposed to be Spring...

byron
04-04-2013, 07:42 PM
I thought it was supposed to be Spring... it was 36 and windy as hell yesterday up here... today its 46 right now with the sun going down....I'll be glad when it settles out

Rudyy
04-04-2013, 07:46 PM
it was 36 and windy as hell yesterday up here... today its 46 right now with the sun going down....I'll be glad when it settles outThat's awful. Cold and rainy here :/ It's "supposed" to be very nice out next week, but we'll see. Virginia is a very bi-polar state in regards to weather.

JPizzack
04-05-2013, 09:56 AM
I just saw a guy that looked like Byron and it freaked me out for a second....I did a double take, and then a triple take, I was so convinced lol.

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:35 AM
at first i thought it was stupid anyway....but, sports agents in general are terrible for sports. maybe something new HAS to be done.

Imagine if Scott Boras ran sports in general. w...t....f....

idk, we'll see what happens. we have literally a year to see it get worked out for Cruz

dude theres plenty of counter agents to Scott Boras.

If you think a guy with a ghetto rap mentality would somehow make it better, then your crazy

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:35 AM
good for you Matt stick with it man.....

yea thanks

i've even cut back on that for the most part.

im doin pretty good, but im going to be tailgating at an all day party on sunday for wrestlmania - that will be the test

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:36 AM
it's not Jay-Z as the agent, it's a company he owns. I'm not sure if he has any real names working for him, or if its just a up and coming type company.

no, hes going to be an agent

JPizzack
04-05-2013, 10:36 AM
dude theres plenty of counter agents to Scott Boras.

If you think a guy with a ghetto rap mentality would somehow make it better, then your crazy

lol I'm not saying that at all....

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:37 AM
agents are bad for the game period....i just dont see how this changes things one way or the other....

na they are better than the players going in and doing it for themselves....

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:38 AM
Cruz is like a better version of steve smith. Faster, more athletic, bigger. The reason why they are so successful is because they are always running options. They dont know what theyre running until they read the defense or Eli checks them.

I wouldnt call him a system player because I think he can have success elsewhere unlike smith, but Cruz certainly wouldnt put up the numbers hes putting up here unless a top 5 qbs throwing to him.

its true, but u do have to figure in that when he had no deep threat last year his numbers didn't only come back to earth but they were not as good as we hoped they'd be. Alot of variable to that, but im just saying it is what it is

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:39 AM
I'd give him $4mill, max

seeing as how Amendola got a 6mil average

it shows your out of your mind.

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:39 AM
I HATE that ridiculous "Manningham isn't smart enough" argument. I don't know where that crap comes from. But its stupid.

Having said that, Cruz runs very nice routes and is tough to cover, but he's definitely a slot guy. Would not thrive trying to beat press coverage.
He's a #2 WR. A very good one but still a #2. If a team out there wants to pay him like a #1 next year that's their problem. Cruz should jump on that if it happens.
Until then, he'll be on our team in 2013.

it came from his wonderlick test and yes its a moronic argument

MattMeyerBud
04-05-2013, 10:41 AM
Nicks is quite a specimen. I think youre right, cuz I'd take a healthy Nicks over a healthy Cruz anyway...so....

healthy is key and if Randle pans out it may make Nicks less valuable to us