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Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:21 AM
I don't believe that because so many reports conflict. Giants101 is just as bad as ESPN.
You guys have to stop taking these reports (which are nothing more than rumors) as if they're Gospel.
No one really knows whats going on in the Cruz situation except the parties involved and I promise you they aren't talking.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:21 AM
Quintin should of just taken the base. Greinke looked down right after it happen, which in my mind is the universal sign of letting it get away from you. Not like he grilled him after
And it was a 3-2 pitch in a tied game.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:22 AM
I don't believe that because so many reports conflict. Giants101 is just as bad as ESPN.I believe it. Almost everything new thats come out has been true.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
Quintin should of just taken the base. Greinke looked down right after it happen, which in my mind is the universal sign of letting it get away from you. Not like he grilled him after

1) Quentin is an *******
2) he has a history of getting hit by pitchers. idk why.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
And it was a 3-2 pitch in a tied game.

this.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:23 AM
I believe it. Almost everything new thats come out has been true.
And you know this how?

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:24 AM
1) Quentin is an *******
2) he has a history of getting hit by pitchers. idk why.
Some guys just crowd the plate. Some other guys like to lunge after the ball.
Yuke and Jeter come to mind.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:25 AM
And you know this how?

Because Dezz knows.
Because Dezz hates Cruz
Because Dezz hates Jay-Z
Because Dezz is always reliable (lmao, see what I did there?)

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:26 AM
Some guys just crowd the plate. Some other guys like to lunge after the ball.
Yuke and Jeter come to mind.

Youk much more so than Jeter, but yes, this is accurate.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 11:26 AM
Dezz, no. One report said that no negotiations have been happening. But yet, the Giants offered $7 million. A new report is now saying that Cruz wants $11 million, oh but now he wamts to stay and won't accept offers from other teams. NOW he's thinking about holding out, even though he supposedly stated he wants to stay and he worked out with Eli and company. How can you believe ANY of that?

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:28 AM
And you know this how?Why would they still be talking if he didnt turn down the 2 generous offers offered to him? Sure nothings set in stone but we all know what 2+2 equals. Not sure about you but I can read between the lines.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:29 AM
Because Dezz knows.
Because Dezz hates Cruz
Because Dezz hates Jay-Z
Because Dezz is always reliable (lmao, see what I did there?)
The only thing we "know" is based on what Mr. Mara said about offering Cruz more than Welker. We have no idea what Cruz has asked for. We have no idea what the years, and guaranteed money was that Cruz was offered by the FO.
All these "$11MM demands" and "$21MM guaranteed money offers" are speculation based on nothing.
I really can't believe that Dez or anyone else would give them any credibility at all.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:30 AM
Youk much more so than Jeter, but yes, this is accurate.
Youk crowds and Jeter lunges.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:31 AM
Why would they still be talking if he didnt turn down the 2 generous offers offered to him? Sure nothings set in stone but we all know what 2+2 equals. Not sure about you but I can read between the lines.
How do you know what they offered? How do you know if they were generous?

Answer:...... You don't.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 11:31 AM
I'm not sure how anyone can believe anything being said with all of the conflicting reports.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:33 AM
Youk crowds and Jeter lunges.

Yes, I love watching Jeter do his little spin move when he dodges an inside pitch lol. It actually causes him to get hit in the back alot >.<

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:34 AM
The only thing we "know" is based on what Mr. Mara said about offering Cruz more than Welker. We have no idea what Cruz has asked for. We have no idea what the years, and guaranteed money was that Cruz was offered by the FO.
All these "$11MM demands" and "$21MM guaranteed money offers" are speculation based on nothing.
I really can't believe that Dez or anyone else would give them any credibility at all.

This is essentially why I havent even involved myself in these conversations. Because it's mostly fabricated and rumors and such.

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 11:37 AM
I'm not sure how anyone can believe anything being said with all of the conflicting reports.
Yet Dez seems to.

The only thing we know is that Cruz has a tender of $2.8+ MM. He will get NO offers from other teams. He will probably sign a long term deal with the team because he has few options as a RFA.
The team holds all the cards. If there is no agreement, he will sign the tender and play this season.
Its not complicated. He won't "hold out". that would be crazy. Giving up almost $3MM is nuts. Plus "hold outs" don't tend to get commercials either.

So many here are obsessing about this Cruz situation, but the reality is that there is very little drama here. Just on the MB. Its a typical situation with a RFA who has a tender offer. The season doesn't start for 5 months for God's sake.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:40 AM
I dont get whats conflicting. Multiple sources are saying hes seeking 10-11. Hes not signed yet, so obviously he turned down offers. And if those offers are around anything near these "rumors" are saying, then yes, they are generous offers. Where theres smoke theres fire.

All of you would make horrible detectives

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:42 AM
Why would they still be talking if he didnt turn down the 2 generous offers offered to him? Sure nothings set in stone but we all know what 2+2 equals. Not sure about you but I can read between the lines.

what?? That's the point dezz....none of what youre saying is confirmed....so why do you believe it?

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 11:43 AM
I dont get whats conflicting. Multiple sources are saying hes seeking 10-11. Hes not signed yet, so obviously he turned down offers. And if those offers are around anything near these "rumors" are saying, then yes, they are generous offers. Where theres smoke theres fire. All of you would make horrible detectivesAnd another report is saying he wants to stay in NY, so that eliminates what he's seeking. Also, do you know who the "source" is? You don't? Well okay then.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:43 AM
what?? That's the point dezz....none of what youre saying is confirmed....so why do you believe it?"Because I choose too" :)

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:45 AM
And another report is saying he wants to stay in NY, so that eliminates what he's seeking. Also, do you know who the "source" is? You don't? Well okay then.How does him wanting to stay in NY eliminate what hes seeking?? Its irrelevant

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 11:48 AM
How does him wanting to stay in NY eliminate what hes seeking?? Its irrelevantUm, if he wants to stay, he wouldn't ask for that much knowing the Giants don't have that to give him.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 11:50 AM
Um, if he wants to stay, he wouldn't ask for that much knowing the Giants don't have that to give him.Keep dreaming Rudy. Victor, like almost every player, wants to milk the Giant teet for as much as he can.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 11:54 AM
Keep dreaming Rudy. Victor, like almost every player, wants to milk the Giant teet for as much as he can.

It will be a blow to his ego when he finds out no team is going to shell out MORE money than what he will end up being paid AND give up the 1st rounder for him. It's not going to happen, so as soon as he comes back down to earth (thats of course assuming hes being stubborn at all, i have no idea), he'll stay a Giant.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 11:59 AM
Keep dreaming Rudy. Victor, like almost every player, wants to milk the Giant teet for as much as he can.It's called negotiating.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:00 PM
It will be a blow to his ego when he finds out no team is going to shell out MORE money than what he will end up being paid AND give up the 1st rounder for him. It's not going to happen, so as soon as he comes back down to earth (thats of course assuming hes being stubborn at all, i have no idea), he'll stay a Giant.I think hell stay a Giant as well.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:04 PM
It's called negotiating.We negotiated with Osi too, doesnt mean I have to like it.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 12:07 PM
We negotiated with Osi too, doesnt mean I have to like it.You dislike this negotiation because of Jay-Z, which I think is silly.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:15 PM
You dislike this negotiation because of Jay-Z, which I think is silly.Hes part of the problem, sure.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 12:20 PM
Hes part of the problem, sure.But reports are he wants Cruz to stay..

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:28 PM
But reports are he wants Cruz to stay..Who the **** cares what Jayz wants. Jayz wants him to stay cause he know hell get the best deal here, lining HIS pockets. Thats like saying Drew Rosenhaus wants a player to stay. Who cares what he wants, hes not a Giant.

MattMeyerBud
04-12-2013, 12:30 PM
Hopefully the ex comes by and picks up all her **** before I throw it out. Its been almost 5 months, Iv been rather nice about that I would say.

no more Mags?

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 12:31 PM
Who the **** cares what Jayz wants. Jayz wants him to stay cause he know hell get the best deal here, lining HIS pockets. Thats like saying Drew Rosenhaus wants a player to stay. Who cares what he wants, hes not a Giant.Cruz cares lolol

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:32 PM
no more Mags?nooope

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 12:40 PM
Cruz cares lololThen he needs to straighten out his priorities. He should want to stay because his team mates want him to. Not because some over rated multimillionaire rapper wants to do other business out side of football.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 12:45 PM
Then he needs to straighten out his priorities. He should want to stay because his team mates want him to. Not because some over rated multimillionaire rapper wants to do other business out side of football.Lol "Waaaah waaah waaah"

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 01:56 PM
From former NFL agent Joel Corry: "It's the agent's job to execute Cruz's game plan but he has handcuffed his agent & undercut whatever leverage he has."

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 02:04 PM
I dont get whats conflicting. Multiple sources are saying hes seeking 10-11. Hes not signed yet, so obviously he turned down offers. And if those offers are around anything near these "rumors" are saying, then yes, they are generous offers. Where theres smoke theres fire.

All of you would make horrible detectives
What sources? What specific person from either camp has said any of this?
As I said...there is no smoke. There are only rumors of smoke. You'd be an easy target for aluminum siding Dez.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:08 PM
What sources? What specific person from either camp has said any of this?
As I said...there is no smoke. There are only rumors of smoke. You'd be an easy target for aluminum siding Dez.Daily News NY Post, every Giants affiliated website/facebook. A former agent. When different people are saying the same thing there is indeed smoke.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 02:23 PM
I want to set some facts straight about Dezz's misconception and rumor spreading about this Cruz fiasco....especially in regards to Jay-Z.

Jay-Z does not own a sports agency. Jay-Z owns a marketing company called Roc Nation(duh). They do not represent athletes. Robinson Cano, and Victor Cruz are represented by CCA, Creative Artists Agency. A company that has been around since the 70s. Jay-Z recruits for CCA due to his high profile.

The only reason Jay-Z is trying to unload his shares of the Nets, is because he will be unable to recruit NBA players to CCA if he is directly associated to a team. He wants to be an NBA agent.

Players represented by CCA will most likely be handled by a gentleman named Ben Dogra. Ben Dogra confirmed that Jiggaman helped land Cruz at CCA.

In short.......Jay-Z is merely partnered w/ CCA in this whole ordeal.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:27 PM
I want to set some facts straight about Dezz's misconception and rumor spreading about this Cruz fiasco....especially in regards to Jay-Z.

Jay-Z does not own a sports agency. Jay-Z owns a marketing company called Roc Nation(duh). They do not represent athletes. Robinson Cano, and Victor Cruz are represented by CCA, Creative Artists Agency. A company that has been around since the 70s. Jay-Z recruits for CCA due to his high profile.

The only reason Jay-Z is trying to unload his shares of the Nets, is because he will be unable to recruit NBA players to CCA if he is directly associated to a team. He wants to be an NBA agent.

Players represented by CCA will most likely be handled by a gentleman named Ben Dogra. Ben Dogra confirmed that Jiggaman helped land Cruz at CCA.

In short.......Jay-Z is merely partnered w/ CCA in this whole ordeal.Well aware of that. What makes Jayz qualified for this position? He watches sports? Wears a yankee cap everyday for the last 20 years?

And look whats happening. We have a slot wr thinking he deserves elite wr money.

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 02:30 PM
Well aware of that. What makes Jayz qualified for this position? He watches sports? Wears a yankee cap everyday for the last 20 years?

And look whats happening. We have a slot wr thinking he deserves elite wr money.

QUALIFIED FOR WHAT, DEZZ?!?!? All he's doing is recruiting people to be represented by a legit sports agent. lol

It's not Jay-Z representing him!! lmao

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 02:32 PM
lol

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:36 PM
QUALIFIED FOR WHAT, DEZZ?!?!? All he's doing is recruiting people to be represented by a legit sports agent. lol

It's not Jay-Z representing him!! lmaoNo **** man! What qualifies him for that?

And you JUST said "He wants to be an NBA agent" so where ya going braaah

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 02:37 PM
No **** man! What qualifies him for that?

And you JUST said "He wants to be an NBA agent" so where ya going braaah

what qualifies someone to recruit for something? Idk, I'm pretty sure I could make a suggestion to a friend.....lol

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:43 PM
what qualifies someone to recruit for something? Idk, I'm pretty sure I could make a suggestion to a friend.....lolExactly, hes not. He doesnt belong anywhere near the sports world. If you dont think Cruz's new found attitude isnt directly connected to Jayz I have a bridge to sell you. Ever since hes started hanging out with him, Cruzs once awesome hardworking blue collared mentality went right out the window.

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:43 PM
lolGo play your fiddle

byron
04-12-2013, 02:45 PM
I tried to start my own agency......BCAA..." Beez Creative Artist Agency"....couldn't get it off the ground....you need dough ,I got no dough Jayz got dough http://holdingthetestaccountable.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/got-dough.jpg?w=351&h=360 (http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=3781)

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 02:47 PM
Exactly, hes not. He doesnt belong anywhere near the sports world. If you dont think Cruz's new found attitude isnt directly connected to Jayz I have a bridge to sell you. Ever since hes started hanging out with him, Cruzs once awesome hardworking blue collared mentality went right out the window.

I think you feel sports agents are some allpowerful important job. It's really not. It's just someone to look out for the business side of the player's career, because they arent money men.
100% of athletes are greedy.

What do you call Cruz being at Eli's passing camp IN ****ING APRIL? white collar? lol

omg, you sound like the jealous ex, its so ridiculous.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 02:50 PM
Go play your fiddleNo

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 02:50 PM
I tried to start my own agency......BCAA..." Beez Creative Artist Agency"....couldn't get it off the ground....you need dough ,I got no dough Jayz got dough

I'll join you. pro bono for 1 month....but then I want that JayZ dough from you also =p

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 02:55 PM
I think you feel sports agents are some allpowerful important job. It's really not. It's just someone to look out for the business side of the player's career, because they arent money men.
100% of athletes are greedy.

What do you call Cruz being at Eli's passing camp IN ****ING APRIL? white collar? lol

omg, you sound like the jealous ex, its so ridiculous.Yea rosenthaus isnt a money man. Whats the point of being a sports agent or doing any job if theres no money involved? Get real Pizz.

byron
04-12-2013, 02:58 PM
I'll join you. pro bono for 1 month....but then I want that JayZ dough from you also =p I got a chance http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Jim_Carrey_2013.jpg/220px-Jim_Carrey_2013.jpg (http://boards.giants.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=iyqnPQFTYWZNIM&tbnid=8wnWL7OYw2xU0M:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJim_Car rey&ei=AFloUZi5PPOl4AOtgYGQBw&psig=AFQjCNHN3skjz6vBmM8Pj_bO79SBoXxpsA&ust=1365879425028028)

byron
04-12-2013, 03:24 PM
http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?29755-I-know-its-not-the-Lions-board-but-I-think-its-awesome check this out

JPizzack
04-12-2013, 03:24 PM
SOOOO YOURE SAYIN THERE'S A CHAAANCE!!!!!

lol

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 03:31 PM
Daily News NY Post, every Giants affiliated website/facebook. A former agent. When different people are saying the same thing there is indeed smoke.
You forgot the National Inquirer and the Globe.
And these "affliliated websites" are NOT affiliated in any way to the Giants.
The only people who know anything are the Giants FO and Victor Cruz and his agent.
I PROMISE you, none of these people are talking.
Are you that gullible for God's sake Dezzy?

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 03:36 PM
You forgot the National Inquirer and the Globe.
And these "affliliated websites" are NOT affiliated in any way to the Giants.
The only people who know anything are the Giants FO and Victor Cruz and his agent.
I PROMISE you, none of these people are talking.
Are you that gullible for God's sake Dezzy?Never said they were. What i said was when everyones saying the same thing, theres smoke.

Neither side is negotiating? Says who? you?

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 03:44 PM
Looooooool

byron
04-12-2013, 03:58 PM
You forgot the National Inquirer and the Globe.
And these "affliliated websites" are NOT affiliated in any way to the Giants.
The only people who know anything are the Giants FO and Victor Cruz and his agent.
I PROMISE you, none of these people are talking.
Are you that gullible for God's sake Dezzy? I don't give a **** who knows what but are you sure the only people who know anything are the FO,VC and his agent....come on this isn't like top secret stuff where you can't tell your wife,close friends and such is it ? There is a good chance some stuff has leaked out and some of what we are reading is true....the question is how much of it is true ....are you totally dismissing everything that is written as bull**** ?

dezzzR
04-12-2013, 04:23 PM
I don't give a **** who knows what but are you sure the only people who know anything are the FO,VC and his agent....come on this isn't like top secret stuff where you can't tell your wife,close friends and such is it ? There is a good chance some stuff has leaked out and some of what we are reading is true....the question is how much of it is true ....are you totally dismissing everything that is written as bull**** ?Thats what I dont understand. I can see people not paying attention to one article, but when multiple articles are saying the same thing, any logical person would think at least some of it must be true

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 04:33 PM
Thats what I dont understand. I can see people not paying attention to one article, but when multiple articles are saying the same thing, any logical person would think at least some of it must be trueNot when the sources aren't specified.

"A source said this, a source said that". Who are these sources they are getting their information from?

byron
04-12-2013, 04:34 PM
Thats what I dont understand. I can see people not paying attention to one article, but when multiple articles are saying the same thing, any logical person would think at least some of it must be true I'm pretty sure some of it is Dezz its just hard to know how much or what....I get your point...beyond that MH may be ****ing with ya.....

byron
04-12-2013, 04:38 PM
Not when the sources aren't specified.

"A source said this, a source said that". Who are these sources they are getting their information from? you don't think there is a shred of truth in any of what is being written....just wondering

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 04:46 PM
I don't give a **** who knows what but are you sure the only people who know anything are the FO,VC and his agent....come on this isn't like top secret stuff where you can't tell your wife,close friends and such is it ? There is a good chance some stuff has leaked out and some of what we are reading is true....the question is how much of it is true ....are you totally dismissing everything that is written as bull**** ?
I'm sorry Byron...but you're wrong.
Don't believe anything you hear until there is an official announcement.
Notice how not a single person has gone on the record.

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 04:52 PM
you don't think there is a shred of truth in any of what is being written....just wonderingHonestly, the more "sources" that come out and speak on behalf of Cruz, the less of it I believe.

byron
04-12-2013, 05:20 PM
I'm sorry Byron...but you're wrong.
Don't believe anything you hear until there is an official announcement.
Notice how not a single person has gone on the record. Wrong that I believe some stuff leaked out ? perhaps but don't tell me that Cruz doesn't talk to people close to him.... wrong that one of the owners said he would get a better deal than welker and the offer would make him a very rich man.....but hey I don't mind being wrong in such matters.... One does have a right to form his own opinions based on what he has read....no? You have yours I have mine.. we can agree to disagree without ridicule...no.....I know that's not the way around here....End of the day I think some truth can be taken from what is being reported and I think that is what Dezz is saying. "If I am wrong Dezz sorry".... Not trying to cause trouble here honest your asking me not to believe anything..... I can't do that sorry

byron
04-12-2013, 05:22 PM
Honestly, the more "sources" that come out and speak on behalf of Cruz, the less of it I believe. so you do believe something .....just saying .... its ok to believe

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 05:39 PM
so you do believe something .....just saying .... its ok to believeI believe in life after love.

byron
04-12-2013, 05:48 PM
I believe in life after love. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98

Rudyy
04-12-2013, 05:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98Haha yesssssss

Morehead State
04-12-2013, 07:42 PM
Wrong that I believe some stuff leaked out ? perhaps but don't tell me that Cruz doesn't talk to people close to him.... wrong that one of the owners said he would get a better deal than welker and the offer would make him a very rich man.....but hey I don't mind being wrong in such matters.... One does have a right to form his own opinions based on what he has read....no? You have yours I have mine.. we can agree to disagree without ridicule...no.....I know that's not the way around here....End of the day I think some truth can be taken from what is being reported and I think that is what Dezz is saying. "If I am wrong Dezz sorry".... Not trying to cause trouble here honest your asking me not to believe anything..... I can't do that sorry

Wrong to believe that what we hear is the truth. Most of the crap that comes out about the Cruz situation is just that.
Its, at best, to be questioned with great cynicism. Everyone has an agenda. stuff gets out, not to tell the truth, but to enhance the position of one side or another.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but what are you basing your opinion on Byron? I have no poinion on what's going on because I think its all a bunch of friggin spin and/or an attemp to get attention.

I mean you seem to be taking the position that "it must be true if its on the internet".

byron
04-12-2013, 09:28 PM
Wrong to believe that what we hear is the truth. Most of the crap that comes out about the Cruz situation is just that.
Its, at best, to be questioned with great cynicism. Everyone has an agenda. stuff gets out, not to tell the truth, but to enhance the position of one side or another.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but what are you basing your opinion on Byron? I have no poinion on what's going on because I think its all a bunch of friggin spin and/or an attemp to get attention.

I mean you seem to be taking the position that "it must be true if its on the internet". That would be an extreme to what I am saying ...I never said I believe everything I've read or heard I said that believe there is some truth to what is being reported...go back a few posts and you shall see....your telling me that all that has come out is bull****...I disagree that's all .... One thing is for sure he has been made an offer as of he hasn't accepted it ?..... I didn't meet my wife on the internet and she's not French

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 10:36 AM
YALL MOFOS IS CRAZY YO

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 10:40 AM
YALL MOFOS IS CRAZY YOHi

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 11:15 AM
Hi

hello.

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 11:16 AM
hello.Make me food please

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 11:25 AM
Make me food please

lol yea ok.....right....

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 11:53 AM
lol yea ok.....right....Please oh please?

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 12:12 PM
Please oh please?

WUTCHOO THINK THIS **** IS FO FREE!!!

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 12:25 PM
WUTCHOO THINK THIS **** IS FO FREE!!!wow ok wow rood

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 12:50 PM
wow ok wow rood

I don't mean to be rude, dude.... but there's so many hoes in here....

(that's another Jay-Z lyric to piss off Dezz, lol)

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 12:57 PM
I don't mean to be rude, dude.... but there's so many hoes in here....

(that's another Jay-Z lyric to piss off Dezz, lol)One day, we should just bombard him with Jay-Z lyrics. Oh my God he would cry.

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 01:07 PM
One day, we should just bombard him with Jay-Z lyrics. Oh my God he would cry.

lol

JPizzack
04-13-2013, 01:46 PM
One day, we should just bombard him with Jay-Z lyrics. Oh my God he would cry.

They can't see em comin' down my eyes, so I gotta make this song cry....

dezzzR
04-13-2013, 06:13 PM
One day, we should just bombard him with Jay-Z lyrics. Oh my God he would cry.Being that he stole everything from Big I wouldnt have known.

Rudyy
04-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Being that he stole everything from Big I wouldnt have known.Males shouldn't be jealous, that's a female trait.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 11:09 AM
Wrong to believe that what we hear is the truth. Most of the crap that comes out about the Cruz situation is just that.
Its, at best, to be questioned with great cynicism. Everyone has an agenda. stuff gets out, not to tell the truth, but to enhance the position of one side or another.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but what are you basing your opinion on Byron? I have no poinion on what's going on because I think its all a bunch of friggin spin and/or an attemp to get attention.

I mean you seem to be taking the position that "it must be true if its on the internet".Youre always one extreme or the other. Im going to laugh my *** off when some of this stuff turns out to be true.

Rudyy
04-15-2013, 11:10 AM
Youre always one extreme or the other. Im going to laugh my *** off when some of this stuff turns out to be true.It's not going to turn out to be true though lol.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 11:11 AM
Youre always one extreme or the other. Im going to laugh my *** off when some of this stuff turns out to be true.
I'm not saying none of it is true. I'm saying you can't take anything being reported as fact.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 11:11 AM
Wrong that I believe some stuff leaked out ? perhaps but don't tell me that Cruz doesn't talk to people close to him.... wrong that one of the owners said he would get a better deal than welker and the offer would make him a very rich man.....but hey I don't mind being wrong in such matters.... One does have a right to form his own opinions based on what he has read....no? You have yours I have mine.. we can agree to disagree without ridicule...no.....I know that's not the way around here....End of the day I think some truth can be taken from what is being reported and I think that is what Dezz is saying. "If I am wrong Dezz sorry".... Not trying to cause trouble here honest your asking me not to believe anything..... I can't do that sorrySpot on B. You never have to apologize B. Stop it!:cool:

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 11:18 AM
Spot on B. You never have to apologize B. Stop it!:cool:
Well I am trying to cause trouble and I don't apologize for it.

HAHAHA!!!!!

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 11:22 AM
BTW....Other than the SB, the Masters is the greatest sporting event known to man...despite Tiger's cheating.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 11:33 AM
BTW....Other than the SB, the Masters is the greatest sporting event known to man...despite Tiger's cheating.Im a bit confused by what happened and Im not really a golfer. What was it, 2 feet or 2 yards? Dont they put quarters down to mark the spot? Why not make the rule you have to put the ball exactly where it was? I herd there was something with the scoring card or something as well.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 11:38 AM
Im a bit confused by what happened and Im not really a golfer. What was it, 2 feet or 2 yards? Dont they put quarters down to mark the spot? Why not make the rule you have to put the ball exactly where it was? I herd there was something with the scoring card or something as well.

Can someone actually explain why a scoring card is even needed? lol

The PGA is pretty heavily montired obviouisly. Whats with the BS formality of a score card? lol

Can you imagine if Eli Manning had to log his yardage after every pass? lol

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 11:55 AM
Im a bit confused by what happened and Im not really a golfer. What was it, 2 feet or 2 yards? Dont they put quarters down to mark the spot? Why not make the rule you have to put the ball exactly where it was? I herd there was something with the scoring card or something as well.
Not in this case. He hit his third shot in the water. (BTW it was a horrible break, he hit the pin and it bounced back into the water). So he has 2 options. He can drop the ball back where he hit from (coming as close as possible to the spot he hit from, now hitting his 5th shot (3rd shot plus penalty for hitting into a water hazard) or he can take the spot where it enetered the hazard, and he can go back as far as he wants, keeping the point of entry between him and the pin. He chose option 1, but was confused and moved 2 yards back to give himself a better yardage. He then hit a nice shot and made 6. But not dropping as close as possible to the previous spot was a 2 stroke violation.

Now.....He signed his scorecard giving him a 6 on that hole, where he really made an 8. signing an incorrect scorecard is a DQ. There is a new rule from 2 years ago where the committee can review and has discretion. All because fans call in to point out a rule question. The committee realized that Tiger had violated the rule when they heard his interview saying that he played his 5th shot 2 yards back from the original shot. And that he did it intentionally.
The new rulke SHOULD NOT protect him there since he intentionally dropped it further back.
He should have DQ'd himself once he realized this after he signed his scorecard. If he had dropped it 2 yards behind thinking he was at the original spot, the new rule would protect him. But he admitted that he did it intentionally.
I essence, Tiger cheated, and the Masters for some reason (really trying to save from embarressment) allowed it. At that point, Tiger should have DQ'd himself despite the committee's position.

In my view... he's a stinking cheater. those who don't understand the self-policing nature of golf would not understand.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 11:59 AM
Can someone actually explain why a scoring card is even needed? lol

The PGA is pretty heavily montired obviouisly. Whats with the BS formality of a score card? lol

Can you imagine if Eli Manning had to log his yardage after every pass? lol
Because golf is different. You must sign an accurate scorecard for your score to count.
In golf, you are responsible to police yourself. If you accidentally hit your ball and move it an inch and no one sees it, you MUST call it on yourself. Its a game of absolute honor.

In other words, golf is better than any sport. If for no other reason than this.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:06 PM
Because golf is different. You must sign an accurate scorecard for your score to count.
In golf, you are responsible to police yourself. If you accidentally hit your ball and move it an inch and no one sees it, you MUST call it on yourself. Its a game of absolute honor.

In other words, golf is better than any sport. If for no other reason than this.

Golf isn't a sport. It's an old man hobby.

MattMeyerBud
04-15-2013, 12:09 PM
Not in this case. He hit his third shot in the water. (BTW it was a horrible break, he hit the pin and it bounced back into the water). So he has 2 options. He can drop the ball back where he hit from (coming as close as possible to the spot he hit from, now hitting his 5th shot (3rd shot plus penalty for hitting into a water hazard) or he can take the spot where it enetered the hazard, and he can go back as far as he wants, keeping the point of entry between him and the pin. He chose option 1, but was confused and moved 2 yards back to give himself a better yardage. He then hit a nice shot and made 6. But not dropping as close as possible to the previous spot was a 2 stroke violation.

Now.....He signed his scorecard giving him a 6 on that hole, where he really made an 8. signing an incorrect scorecard is a DQ. There is a new rule from 2 years ago where the committee can review and has discretion. All because fans call in to point out a rule question. The committee realized that Tiger had violated the rule when they heard his interview saying that he played his 5th shot 2 yards back from the original shot. And that he did it intentionally.
The new rulke SHOULD NOT protect him there since he intentionally dropped it further back.
He should have DQ'd himself once he realized this after he signed his scorecard. If he had dropped it 2 yards behind thinking he was at the original spot, the new rule would protect him. But he admitted that he did it intentionally.
I essence, Tiger cheated, and the Masters for some reason (really trying to save from embarressment) allowed it. At that point, Tiger should have DQ'd himself despite the committee's position.

In my view... he's a stinking cheater. those who don't understand the self-policing nature of golf would not understand.

oh we get it, but common sense would tell you that he shouldn't of been DQ'd. ESPECIALLY since the video was first referred by the officials and saw nothing wrong wtih it. The only reason he got caught was because in a post interview he said he did it not knowing the rules.

#Tiger4President

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:09 PM
I've never been able to choose which i hate more. Golf or Tennis? I mean, at least tennis requires athletic ability, so I'm cool with that. Both should be beanned from television though.

MattMeyerBud
04-15-2013, 12:09 PM
Because golf is different. You must sign an accurate scorecard for your score to count.
In golf, you are responsible to police yourself. If you accidentally hit your ball and move it an inch and no one sees it, you MUST call it on yourself. Its a game of absolute honor.

In other words, golf is better than any sport. If for no other reason than this.

yea so like Pizzleback stated, a bull**** formality

MattMeyerBud
04-15-2013, 12:09 PM
I've never been able to choose which i hate more. Golf or Tennis? I mean, at least tennis requires athletic ability, so I'm cool with that. Both should be beanned from television though.

Golf ain't bad to watch actually....

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:15 PM
Lol A man in about his 50's with his hat on backwards just walked in "YOOOOO where can I get a bath, where can I get a bath! Can I take a bath right here?!!!!."

Dumbfounded I just responded " uhhh no??" Then he left all pissed off, "al right buddy just trying to make your day" lmao. what the hell just happened?

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:18 PM
Lol A man in about his 50's with his hat on backwards just walked in "YOOOOO where can I get a bath, where can I get a bath! Can I take a bath right here?!!!!."

Dumbfounded I just responded " uhhh no??" Then he left all pissed off, "al right buddy just trying to make your day" lmao. what the hell just happened?

those are the worst kind of people........

I hate people who TRY to be funny, even though they know they likely arent. And then they get all gloomy when youre not on their stupid level. really??

MattMeyerBud
04-15-2013, 12:20 PM
those are the worst kind of people........

I hate people who TRY to be funny, even though they know they likely arent. And then they get all gloomy when youre not on their stupid level. really??


ohhh... he was attempting to be funny?

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Because golf is different. You must sign an accurate scorecard for your score to count.
In golf, you are responsible to police yourself. If you accidentally hit your ball and move it an inch and no one sees it, you MUST call it on yourself. Its a game of absolute honor.

In other words, golf is better than any sport. If for no other reason than this.A man with a club isnt going to police himself, but a bunch of men with clubs (hockey) will police themselves.:cool:

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:22 PM
oh we get it, but common sense would tell you that he shouldn't of been DQ'd. ESPECIALLY since the video was first referred by the officials and saw nothing wrong wtih it. The only reason he got caught was because in a post interview he said he did it not knowing the rules.

#Tiger4President
You don't get it Matt. They reviewed before he signed his card but they thought that Tiger had made a good faith effort to drop "as close to the previous shot". But it was only when Tiger said in an interview that he intentionally dropped it 2 yards back to give himself a better yardage. In other words, they believed that Tiger knew the rule and did his best to abide by it. But he didn't.

THAT IS THE VIOLATION! They couldn't know if he did it intentionally until he admitted it on national TV. Once he admitted that he violated the rule, and was made aware by the committee, he should have DQ'd himself. he didn't break the rule on purpose, but he forgot the rule (or was clearly confused because he considered dropping behind the point of entry in the hazard where you ARE allowed to go back as far as you want).
In golf, not knowing the rule is the same as violating the rule intentionally.
You MUST call any violation on yourself. Its the way golf is conducted.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:22 PM
oh we get it, but common sense would tell you that he shouldn't of been DQ'd. ESPECIALLY since the video was first referred by the officials and saw nothing wrong wtih it. The only reason he got caught was because in a post interview he said he did it not knowing the rules.

#Tiger4Presidentedit I read that wrong. I thought he admitted to knowing it was wrong. In that case its worse imo

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:24 PM
ohhh... he was attempting to be funny?yeaa i think so. Hope I didnt know the guy or something. He didnt look familiar

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:26 PM
A man with a club isnt going to police himself, but a bunch of men with clubs (hockey) will police themselves.:cool:
If you aren't willing to call things on yourself, play another game.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:31 PM
You don't get it Matt. They reviewed before he signed his card but they thought that Tiger had made a good faith effort to drop "as close to the previous shot". But it was only when Tiger said in an interview that he intentionally dropped it 2 yards back to give himself a better yardage. In other words, they believed that Tiger knew the rule and did his best to abide by it. But he didn't.

THAT IS THE VIOLATION! They couldn't know if he did it intentionally until he admitted it on national TV. Once he admitted that he violated the rule, and was made aware by the committee, he should have DQ'd himself. he didn't break the rule on purpose, but he forgot the rule (or was clearly confused because he considered dropping behind the point of entry in the hazard where you ARE allowed to go back as far as you want).
In golf, not knowing the rule is the same as violating the rule intentionally.
You MUST call any violation on yourself. Its the way golf is conducted.

LMAO he's not gonna DQ himself. When you get pulled over, do you say "yes, actually, i do know why you pulled me over. I was going 30 over the speed limit. should i just surrender my license to you?"

Millions of dollars are on the line, and his less than stellar reputation. Isn't it good enough for you that he already incriminated himself by saying he didnt know the rule?

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:31 PM
If you aren't willing to call things on yourself, play another game.Maybe there should be a ref in progolf. To expect honesty from every individual is futile MH. It would be nice but its not reality

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:38 PM
Maybe there should be a ref in progolf. To expect honesty from every individual is futile MH. It would be nice but its not reality

Yea, doesnt make much sense to me. I mean there are officials....a governing body...they are all on tv all the time....why are we relying on the players. I'm not sure why MH expects these players to be inherently good, when he himself is inherently evil! lol

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:39 PM
LMAO he's not gonna DQ himself. When you get pulled over, do you say "yes, actually, i do know why you pulled me over. I was going 30 over the speed limit. should i just surrender my license to you?"

Millions of dollars are on the line, and his less than stellar reputation. Isn't it good enough for you that he already incriminated himself by saying he didnt know the rule?
You can't compare golf to anything else. there are no refs. You are responsible to call any violations on yourself, even if no one else sees it.
You understand this before you enter any tournament. All players agree to it and understand it going in.
Golf is about honestly. You don't hold when the ref's not looking. You don't try to bend the rules for your benefit. This is why all kids should play golf. Its a great life education. It helps make kids trustworthy.
"Character" is what you do when no one is looking. Golf is the epitome of this.
You can't compare it to other sports in this respect. You can't compare it to any other aspect of life. Non golfers have a hard time grasping it and they constantly make comparisons to other sports. These are moot points.
I am telling you this because I have played golf for 45 years. If you don't play it, and play it the way its supposed to be played. (and some don't) I guess you just can't understand it.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:39 PM
Yea, doesnt make much sense to me. I mean there are officials....a governing body...they are all on tv all the time....why are we relying on the players. I'm not sure why MH expects these players to be inherently good, when he himself is inherently evil! lol
Its not what I expect. Its what every player agrees to.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:41 PM
Maybe there should be a ref in progolf. To expect honesty from every individual is futile MH. It would be nice but its not reality
I have played with guys who cheat. they are usually disgraced. And no one wants to play with them. I know a pro who was caught cheating and he can't get entry in local tournaments.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:45 PM
You can't compare golf to anything else. there are no refs. You are responsible to call any violations on yourself, even if no one else sees it.
You understand this before you enter any tournament. All players agree to it and understand it going in.
Golf is about honestly. You don't hold when the ref's not looking. You don't try to bend the rules for your benefit. This is why all kids should play golf. Its a great life education. It helps make kids trustworthy.
"Character" is what you do when no one is looking. Golf is the epitome of this.
You can't compare it to other sports in this respect. You can't compare it to any other aspect of life. Non golfers have a hard time grasping it and they constantly make comparisons to other sports. These are moot points.
I am telling you this because I have played golf for 45 years. If you don't play it, and play it the way its supposed to be played. (and some don't) I guess you just can't understand it.

I golfed as a youngin' and I liked it for a little bit....but I hated how intense other people were about it. They treated it like life and death, and to me it was a stupid game to play in the heat. I generally don't like the people who play golf. they are all the same lol

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 12:48 PM
You guys would be surprised how often pro golfers give up tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars by calling violations on themselves.
Brian Davis called a violation on hislef at the Heritage that cost him winning the tournamant. No one would have known id he didn't call it on himself. Greg Norman called on on himself and DQ'd himself from a tournament several years ago.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 12:55 PM
I have played with guys who cheat. they are usually disgraced. And no one wants to play with them. I know a pro who was caught cheating and he can't get entry in local tournaments.Well thats a good thing, but on the national stage like the Masters theres more at stake. Are you really against a ref on each hole or for each player at the professional level? The guys that play with you who cheated may be banned but a guy like Tiger, nothing will happen, maybe a fine. The media and golf enthusiasts will have their opinions but thats it.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 12:59 PM
Well thats a good thing, but on the national stage like the Masters theres more at stake. Are you really against a ref on each hole or for each player at the professional level? The guys that play with you who cheated may be banned but a guy like Tiger, nothing will happen, maybe a fine. The media and golf enthusiasts will have their opinions but thats it.

In terms of popularity and exposure, golf is the bottom of the barrell...does anyone think the PGA is going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the the reputations of one of their star players? Not a ****ing chance. If anything they should be changing their model to attract more attention to the game with a positive spin. I'd be a good target group. There's nothing interesting to me about PGA golf, or golf in general. do you think I'd watch it knowing the superstars were being banned and DQd? lol, i dont think so, TIM!!

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 01:00 PM
New York Giants WR Victor Cruz not in Attendance at Team's Offseason Program

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 01:02 PM
In terms of popularity and exposure, golf is the bottom of the barrell...does anyone think the PGA is going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize the the reputations of one of their star players? Not a ****ing chance. If anything they should be changing their model to attract more attention to the game with a positive spin. I'd be a good target group. There's nothing interesting to me about PGA golf, or gold in general. do you think I'd watch it knowing the superstars were being banned and DQd? lol, i dont think so, TIM!!hmmm I dont know. Its an international sport.
No flipping way.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 01:09 PM
hmmm I dont know. Its an international sport.
No flipping way.

that's only kind of accurate. Because it's not like THAT many people play in the PGA.

why are we even talking about this? holy ****.

draft is SOOOOOON!!

Moke
04-15-2013, 01:29 PM
What the hell is a PGA? Sounds massively boring.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 01:30 PM
Well thats a good thing, but on the national stage like the Masters theres more at stake. Are you really against a ref on each hole or for each player at the professional level? The guys that play with you who cheated may be banned but a guy like Tiger, nothing will happen, maybe a fine. The media and golf enthusiasts will have their opinions but thats it.
He's not getting a fine. he was given permission to stay in the tournament by the Masters committee. Plus, that's not how golf works.
You guys continue to equate golf to any other sports......... You can't.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 01:31 PM
that's only kind of accurate. Because it's not like THAT many people play in the PGA.

why are we even talking about this? holy ****.

draft is SOOOOOON!!
More people play golf in this country than any other sport. And there is no close second.
That's why there is so much interest.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 01:33 PM
More people play golf in this country than any other sport. And there is no close second.
That's why there is so much interest.

lol that's because it's not an organized sport short of amateur/pro tours. It's not like I can say "I'm gonna go join a baseball team"....doesn't work that way.

based on what you just said, waking up Sunday at 6am and going out to play 18 holes "makes you a golfer".....which is laughable.

Moke
04-15-2013, 01:37 PM
More people play golf in this country than any other sport. And there is no close second.
That's why there is so much interest.

People play golf for fun. I can guarantee if you ask the whole population if they even give a **** about watching real golf, they'd probably say they don't.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 01:37 PM
He's not getting a fine. he was given permission to stay in the tournament by the Masters committee. Plus, that's not how golf works.
You guys continue to equate golf to any other sports......... You can't.I dont believe I am. I dont see how putting a ref at every hole for pro tournaments would effect golf in a negative way. While there are many stand up players Im sure theres just as many who will cheat to win no matter the cost, like Tiger.

ShakeandBake
04-15-2013, 02:04 PM
More people my age play golf in this country than any other sport. And there is no close second.
That's why there is so much interest.

Fixed.

Moke
04-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Fixed.

It's either the old people or the young, "I think I'm classy" rich people.

ShakeandBake
04-15-2013, 02:29 PM
It's either the old people or the young, "I think I'm classy" rich people.

Those are the only kids playing golf besides the ones at the driving range. I grew up in a relatively affluent neighborhood and the high school had a golf team with a grand total of 5 kids. The badminton team had about 30. This being in town of ~30,000 people.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 02:40 PM
Those are the only kids playing golf besides the ones at the driving range. I grew up in a relatively affluent neighborhood and the high school had a golf team with a grand total of 5 kids. The badminton team had about 30. This being in town of ~30,000 people.

Yea our school had a golf team also. just the rich kids played. lol

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 02:55 PM
People play golf for fun. I can guarantee if you ask the whole population if they even give a **** about watching real golf, they'd probably say they don't.
The TV ratings tell a different story. Where do you think the money these guys make comes from?

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 02:55 PM
I can't get the song "Like the Angel" by Rise Against out of my head...**** is like 10 years old, but it's just so damn good!!

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 02:56 PM
I dont believe I am. I dont see how putting a ref at every hole for pro tournaments would effect golf in a negative way. While there are many stand up players Im sure theres just as many who will cheat to win no matter the cost, like Tiger.
Because in golf you referee yourself.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:01 PM
Because in golf you referee yourself.But you obviously cant trust all players. Theres a problem there.....

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:03 PM
I can't get the song "Like the Angel" by Rise Against out of my head...**** is like 10 years old, but it's just so damn good!!New deftones album is my **** lately. Sad about Chi :(

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 03:10 PM
But you obviously cant trust all players. Theres a problem there.....
Players who get to the touring pro level would have to have gone through years of competition. No way they can get through that if they had ever been caught or even accused of cheating.
Its a game of homor that all players who compete accept.
Are there amateurs who cheat? Once in a while. I know a couple. But they are usually exposed and as I said, no one wants to play with them.

I'm not expecting you to like it. I'm just telling you the way it is. Having "golf referees" would ruin a great game.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:11 PM
[QUOTE=Morehead State;736390Where do you think the money these guys make comes from?[/QUOTE]

from all the other rich people that watch and play. duh

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 03:15 PM
from all the other rich people that watch and play. duh
You don't pay money to watch golf on TV.
You know this ...right Pizzy?

Or put it this way. The final round of the Masters has TV ratings more than twice the World Series, and more than the NBA finals.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:19 PM
New deftones album is my **** lately. Sad about Chi :(

you are welcome. I also cant stop listening to it.

yea, i was bummed to read that he passed away the other day =(

ShakeandBake
04-15-2013, 03:22 PM
You don't pay money to watch golf on TV.
You know this ...right Pizzy?

Or put it this way. The final round of the Masters has TV ratings more than twice the World Series, and more than the NBA finals.

Broadcast in all nursing homes across America

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:25 PM
You don't pay money to watch golf on TV.
You know this ...right Pizzy?

Or put it this way. The final round of the Masters has TV ratings more than twice the World Series, and more than the NBA finals.

I dont watch any of those things if i have no vested interest. lol

why are we having this convo still? golf ****ing blows.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:36 PM
Players who get to the touring pro level would have to have gone through years of competition. No way they can get through that if they had ever been caught or even accused of cheating.
Its a game of homor that all players who compete accept.
Are there amateurs who cheat? Once in a while. I know a couple. But they are usually exposed and as I said, no one wants to play with them.
I'm not expecting you to like it. I'm just telling you the way it is. Having "golf referees" would ruin a great game.Tiger just did MH, come on.
How would a ref calling Tiger out ruin the game? Youre being crazy. I get it, the honor system, let amateurs play on the honor rule. But when the green jackets are at stake you need refs.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:40 PM
Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:49 PM
Explosion at the Boston Marathon.

huh?? guess i should update the news pages. wtf

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:52 PM
huh?? guess i should update the news pages. wtf**** suckers used ball bearings as shrapnel.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:55 PM
**** suckers used ball bearings as shrapnel.

I'm not seeing any "completed" stories, just scrolling updates from writers and such.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 03:58 PM
I'm not seeing any "completed" stories, just scrolling updates from writers and such.Supposedly there were two explosions. The other was set 15 seconds after the first. Insurgents do that in Iraq and Afghan. ****ing cowards.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 03:58 PM
Now there are reports that Police called in a controlled 3rd explosion. I dont even know what that means!

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 04:02 PM
Now there are reports that Police called in a controlled 3rd explosion. I dont even know what that means!Think it means the police will blow up a 3rd bomb(or what they think is a bomb) as carefully as possible.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Think it means the police will blow up a 3rd bomb(or what they think is a bomb) as carefully as possible.

well it already happened, but yea i think youre right.

2 reported fatalities =\

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:13 PM
NBC reporting that a small homemade bomb is "preliminary" cause of explosion.

ShakeandBake
04-15-2013, 04:21 PM
NBC reporting that a small homemade bomb is "preliminary" cause of explosion.

wonder if it has ties to patriots day

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:27 PM
wonder if it has ties to patriots day

wouldn't shock me, but, I'd guess that it's more likely it has to do w/ the amount of foot traffic the area got today. However, that's going under the assumption this was an intentional attack. (nothing suggests otherwise unfortunately, but I don't like to be the one to jump to conclusions)

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 04:36 PM
My buddy ran in it and just texted that he's OK. My son in law usually runs in it but passed this year.
Jezz!

Friggin scum bags.

Morehead State
04-15-2013, 04:38 PM
wouldn't shock me, but, I'd guess that it's more likely it has to do w/ the amount of foot traffic the area got today. However, that's going under the assumption this was an intentional attack. (nothing suggests otherwise unfortunately, but I don't like to be the one to jump to conclusions)
C mon people, the bombs were at the finish line at the Marathon.
I think it might have something to do with the Marathon....don't you? And its always run on Patriots Day.
4 bombs so far. 2 went off, 1 or 2 exploded by the cops.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:40 PM
C mon people, the bombs were at the finish line at the Marathon.
I think it might have something to do with the Marathon....don't you? And its always run on Patriots Day.
4 bombs so far. 2 went off, 1 or 2 exploded by the cops.

Well so long as they are saying it, than that's what I'll believe. It was almost an hour and a half after the explosion that they said it was believed to be a bomb.

I'm glad your friend is fine.

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 04:42 PM
looks like a pipe bomb.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:43 PM
I also just saw that a device that didn't go off was recovered, so hopefully that will help with an investigation to track down who is responsible. I guess that'd be considered catching a break in these circumstances.

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 04:45 PM
looks like a pipe bomb.

wow really? if that's the case, that some pretty crude ****....well, these *******s got the attention....i anticipate seeing them caught...

ugh, this really blows.

egyptian420
04-15-2013, 05:04 PM
Prayers go out to everyone in that situation.....this #### makes me sick

dezzzR
04-15-2013, 05:07 PM
wow really? if that's the case, that some pretty crude ****....well, these *******s got the attention....i anticipate seeing them caught...

ugh, this really blows.Thats what my cousins saying anyway. Said they didnt go off right either "orange smoke means afno was improperly mixed or contaminated. The bright white smoke is indicative of a black powder initiator"

Rudyy
04-15-2013, 05:39 PM
Watching the coverage right now.

This is so very sad, so so very sad..

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 06:00 PM
This is so very sad, so so very sad..

Hi, we're Crash And the Boys, and this song is called "I'm So Sad, so very very sad"...

*BAM* "SOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAD!!!!"

"thank you..."

Rudyy
04-15-2013, 06:08 PM
Hi, we're Crash And the Boys, and this song is called "I'm So Sad, so very very sad"...

*BAM* "SOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAD!!!!"

"thank you..."I have the sudden urge to run you over

JPizzack
04-15-2013, 07:01 PM
I have the sudden urge to run you over

Dont like Scott Pilgrim I take it? =\

Just trying to lighten the mood, jeez

ShakeandBake
04-15-2013, 07:06 PM
C mon people, the bombs were at the finish line at the Marathon.
I think it might have something to do with the Marathon....don't you? And its always run on Patriots Day.
4 bombs so far. 2 went off, 1 or 2 exploded by the cops.

Obviously they chose the marathon because more people=more destruction, I was just curious as to why the Boston Marathon today?

Rudyy
04-15-2013, 07:19 PM
Dont like Scott Pilgrim I take it? =\

Just trying to lighten the mood, jeezLol I know, I'm just being mean to ya

Moke
04-15-2013, 09:46 PM
Scott Pilgrim sucks

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 08:21 AM
To Dez and Byron........

Interesting discussion by Adam Shefter last night. He was asked about the Cruz situation. The host talked about he supposed "latest" offer of 3 years and $21MM from the team, and Shefter said that there are all kinds of numbers reported out there but no one knows what's true and what's not. He said the only thing we know is that Cruz didn't show up for voluntary workouts which "might" suggest that they are far apart.

In other words, even an NFL insider is saying not to believe anything you hear because no one really knows whats going on, including him.

Sound familiar?

JPizzack
04-16-2013, 08:24 AM
Scott Pilgrim sucks

YOU suck

JPizzack
04-16-2013, 09:50 AM
To Dez and Byron........

Interesting discussion by Adam Shefter last night. He was asked about the Cruz situation. The host talked about he supposed "latest" offer of 3 years and $21MM from the team, and Shefter said that there are all kinds of numbers reported out there but no one knows what's true and what's not. He said the only thing we know is that Cruz didn't show up for voluntary workouts which "might" suggest that they are far apart.

In other words, even an NFL insider is saying not to believe anything you hear because no one really knows whats going on, including him.

Sound familiar?

yes, it does. I just assume Dezz won't respond to this, lol

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 10:14 AM
To Dez and Byron........

Interesting discussion by Adam Shefter last night. He was asked about the Cruz situation. The host talked about he supposed "latest" offer of 3 years and $21MM from the team, and Shefter said that there are all kinds of numbers reported out there but no one knows what's true and what's not. He said the only thing we know is that Cruz didn't show up for voluntary workouts which "might" suggest that they are far apart.

In other words, even an NFL insider is saying not to believe anything you hear because no one really knows whats going on, including him.

Sound familiar?We were told 21 mill would be guaranteed. That rumor turned out to be true. Thats one thing you were wrong on. Thanks for letting me know. Maybe your golf code does influence your daily life. :o

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 10:26 AM
yes, it does. I just assume Dezz won't respond to this, lolWhy not? cause Adam Sheftner isnt sure whats going on?

JPizzack
04-16-2013, 10:44 AM
Why not? cause Adam Sheftner isnt sure whats going on?

never a foul word about Adam Schefter, you SAVAGE! =P

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 10:53 AM
We were told 21 mill would be guaranteed. That rumor turned out to be true. Thats one thing you were wrong on. Thanks for letting me know. Maybe your golf code does influence your daily life. :o
What????
there is no friggin way the team offered Victor Cruz $21MM guaranteed. That is a fantasy. I can see them offering $21MM with about half that guaranteed.
But the team would be nuts to guarantee that much to our #2 WR.
Why you think that's been proven to be true is an absolute mystery to me.

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 11:24 AM
What????
there is no friggin way the team offered Victor Cruz $21MM guaranteed. That is a fantasy. I can see them offering $21MM with about half that guaranteed.
But the team would be nuts to guarantee that much to our #2 WR.
Why you think that's been proven to be true is an absolute mystery to me. I mis spoke. I ment he was offered 21 mill.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 11:42 AM
I mis spoke. I ment he was offered 21 mill.
But Dez....while 3 years and $21MM seems reasonable, (I do think its high) we don't even know if THAT is true. It may be but why do you think its been "proven" to be true?

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 11:48 AM
But Dez....while 3 years and $21MM seems reasonable, (I do think its high) we don't even know if THAT is true. It may be but why do you think its been "proven" to be true?Because more than one source has said so for a few weeks. YOU were saying that they werent even negotiating which is......silly. Theres a picture of Cruz running out of the front office. Dont think they were talking about cambells soup.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 11:59 AM
Because more than one source has said so for a few weeks. YOU were saying that they werent even negotiating which is......silly. Theres a picture of Cruz running out of the font office. Dont think they were talking about cambells soup.
I never said that. Go find one post where I said they were not negotiating. I assume they are negotiating.
My only point is that these reports are not based on any solid information and are to be dismissed out of hand. They are regurgitated speculation that eventually gets reported as fact.
Even Cruz himself made a statement that no one should believe anything that we hear in the media.
I actually doubt that we offered him 3 years. I would assume we would offer 4 to 5 years at an average of $5 to $6MM, and maybe $11 to $13MM guaranteed.
That gives the team the option to force him to take a paycut later in his deal or even cut him if that is the right thing for the team down the road.

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 12:09 PM
You forgot the National Inquirer and the Globe.
And these "affliliated websites" are NOT affiliated in any way to the Giants.
The only people who know anything are the Giants FO and Victor Cruz and his agent.
I PROMISE you, none of these people are talking.
Are you that gullible for God's sake Dezzy?
BOOM
http://www.maniacworld.com/Tsar-Nuclear-Explosion.jpg

MattMeyerBud
04-16-2013, 12:12 PM
BOOM
http://www.maniacworld.com/Tsar-Nuclear-Explosion.jpg

he meant talking to these websites

ya dolt

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 12:21 PM
he meant talking to these websites

ya doltHe said it a few times I cant look right now.

MattMeyerBud
04-16-2013, 12:23 PM
He said it a few times I cant look right now.

awful example though, going to be hard to bounce back from that lol

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 12:32 PM
awful example though, going to be hard to bounce back from that lolnot really. When the deal gets done the truth will come out. And I bet most of what was being said will turn out to be true.

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 12:53 PM
Anyone see that picture of the guy on top of the building that exploded. Not truther by anymeans but it gets you thinking.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 01:05 PM
BOOM
http://www.maniacworld.com/Tsar-Nuclear-Explosion.jpg
Not sure what you're saying here. But its a nice photo I guess.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 01:21 PM
Anyone see that picture of the guy on top of the building that exploded. Not truther by anymeans but it gets you thinking.
We've all seen it. Its about as relevant as the Victor Cruz rumors reported as fact.

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 02:14 PM
We've all seen it. Its about as relevant as the Victor Cruz rumors reported as fact.The Almighty MH knows everything!

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 02:16 PM
The Almighty MH knows everything!
By not falling for every scam on Facebook?

OK Dez.

dezzzR
04-16-2013, 02:23 PM
By not falling for every scam on Facebook?

OK Dez.Well see how much of the Cruz situation is true. Even if one shred of its right, youll be proven wrong.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 03:01 PM
Well see how much of the Cruz situation is true. Even if one shred of its right, youll be proven wrong.
Again...that's ridiculous.
I'm not saying any report is wrong. I'm saying the reports don't mean anything and there is no reason to think they have any credibility.
Will the end result be consistent with the "speculation" ?...Who knows. But thats all these reports are. Pure speculation, reported as fact.
When you make a statement here about the Cruz situation, based on something you read, you are doing yourself a disservice.

These reports aren't based on anything. Its like me saying that Cruz is demanding $10MM/year. Is he? I doubt it. But if I guess he is and it ends up being true, does my statement have any more credibility...just for guessing right?

byron
04-16-2013, 06:34 PM
To Dez and Byron........

Interesting discussion by Adam Shefter last night. He was asked about the Cruz situation. The host talked about he supposed "latest" offer of 3 years and $21MM from the team, and Shefter said that there are all kinds of numbers reported out there but no one knows what's true and what's not. He said the only thing we know is that Cruz didn't show up for voluntary workouts which "might" suggest that they are far apart.

In other words, even an NFL insider is saying not to believe anything you hear because no one really knows whats going on, including him.

Sound familiar? Who is this Shefter guy and what the hell does he know about anything ? Sounds like he is speculating on the subject as well..."they are far apart because Cruz isn't working out?" Cruz isn't working out because he hasn't signed the deal offered, and would have to sign an injury waiver or the tender to have insurance ...anyhow there is plenty of truth in what is being report you just got to look for it , its not hiding man your just focused on one detail "the offer amount "....I never said I believed any of that

Rudyy
04-16-2013, 06:35 PM
Who is this Shefter guy and what the hell does he know about anything ? Sounds like he is speculating on the subject as well..."they are far apart because Cruz isn't working out?" Cruz isn't working out because he hasn't signed the deal offered, and would have to sign an injury waiver or the tender to have insurance ...anyhow there is plenty of truth in what is being report you just got to look for it , its not hiding man your just focused on one detail "the offer amount "....I never said I believed any of thatWhoa whoa..you don't know The Adam Shefter????????

Byron makes Rudy sad.

byron
04-16-2013, 06:50 PM
Whoa whoa..you don't know The Adam Shefter????????

Byron makes Rudy sad. I know who he is Rudy Just my way of making a point why is what he is saying gospel ?.... he's doing no different than the rest he's speculating/giving an opinion and admits he knows no more than anyone else......What's to believe or not believe ?

Rudyy
04-16-2013, 06:54 PM
I know who he is Rudy.... he's doing no different than the rest he's speculating/giving an opinion and admits he knows no more than anyone else......What's to believe or not believeExcept he's a lot more credible than the "sources", since he's an actual insider, and he connects with players, GM's, coaches, etc.

byron
04-16-2013, 07:17 PM
Except he's a lot more credible than the "sources", since he's an actual insider, and he connects with players, GM's, coaches, etc. Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....

Rudyy
04-16-2013, 07:18 PM
Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....Yes, I believe that report because that came from Mara himself. Not a source that ESPN reported.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 07:20 PM
Who is this Shefter guy and what the hell does he know about anything ? Sounds like he is speculating on the subject as well..."they are far apart because Cruz isn't working out?" Cruz isn't working out because he hasn't signed the deal offered, and would have to sign an injury waiver or the tender to have insurance ...anyhow there is plenty of truth in what is being report you just got to look for it , its not hiding man your just focused on one detail "the offer amount "....I never said I believed any of that
No...He's saying that there is a lot of reporting about offers and demands, but no one knows anything. And he knows stuff before anyone else does.

So if he's saying that no one knows, it means that no one knows.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 07:23 PM
Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....
Yes...he suggested that they offered a better deal than Welker got. Buts that's all he said. Does that mean that they offered more years? Less years but higher annual salary? More guaranteed money? If yes to any of these...how much more or how many more?
All these "speculators" have filled in the blanks with pure speculation and then reporting it as fact. All hoping that some poor MB posters, thirsty for ANY information, will eat it up.

And they have.

byron
04-16-2013, 07:28 PM
Yes, I believe that report because that came from Mara himself. Not a source that ESPN reported. you didn't answer my question ... from my last post "so there is some truth in what is being reported ?"...I left out the ? in my above post sorry Rudy

byron
04-16-2013, 07:31 PM
Yes...he suggested that they offered a better deal than Welker got. Buts that's all he said. Does that mean that they offered more years? Less years but higher annual salary? More guaranteed money? If yes to any of these...how much more or how many more?
All these "speculators" have filled in the blanks with pure speculation and then reporting it as fact. All hoping that some poor MB posters, thirsty for ANY information, will eat it up.

And they have. that's to bad ... my argument is that there is some truth in what is being reported how am I wrong....

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 07:32 PM
you didn't answer my question
I know Mr. Mara said that. They actually quoted a real person. Now...if someone actually quotes Victor Cruz, Tom Condon, Jerry Reese or John Mara on the specific details of the negotiations then that would have credibility.

That's my point B. These dubious reports just regurgitate speculation and some folks accept it as truth. No one cites anyone specifically. Given that, and given that parties are very unlikely to share the real details of a contract negotiation, those reports are worth next to nothing.

Rudyy
04-16-2013, 07:34 PM
Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....


you didn't answer my questionBut I did.

Mara HIMSELF came out and said he would make Cruz a very rich young man. $7 million, 3 years.

There are random sources being reported saying totally different and conflicting things. None of which are confirmed. I don't believe those reports.

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 07:34 PM
that's to bad ... my argument is that there is some truth in what is being reported how am I wrong....
What part?
The only thing I believe is what Mr. Mara is known to have said. What he said offers NO SPECIFICS at all.
So the supposed $21MM guarantee, the supposed $10 to $11MM demands, all the rest of the crap means NOTHING.
There is no reason to believe any of it.

byron
04-16-2013, 07:39 PM
I know Mr. Mara said that. They actually quoted a real person. Now...if someone actually quotes Victor Cruz, Tom Condon, Jerry Reese or John Mara on the specific details of the negotiations then that would have credibility.

That's my point B. These dubious reports just regurgitate speculation and some folks accept it as truth. No one cites anyone specifically. Given that, and given that parties are very unlikely to share the real details of a contract negotiation, those reports are worth next to nothing. you called me out in a post today as if I was buying everything that is being reported.... that's just not true all I ever said right from the get go was that I believed that there is some truth to what is being reported ....no more no less... Your the one bringing in all the rest of this **** ...what the hell man

byron
04-16-2013, 07:45 PM
What part?
The only thing I believe is what Mr. Mara is known to have said. What he said offers NO SPECIFICS at all.
So the supposed $21MM guarantee, the supposed $10 to $11MM demands, all the rest of the crap means NOTHING.
There is no reason to believe any of it. Where have I said I believe any of that ? And the only report I remember reading was like 7mil average with 21 g money with no years reported speculation in that report was 4 to 5 years....but man that was a while ago.....one of the first reports to come out

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 07:48 PM
you called me out in a post today as if I was buying everything that is being reported.... that's just not true all I ever said right from the get go was that I believed that there is some truth to what is being reported ....no more no less... Your the one bringing in all the rest of this **** ...what the hell man
I really don't think I was "calling you out". I directed my post to you and Dez because we were talking about it yesterday and your view was that these reports had some credibility.
I say they don't have much at all. At least not any that cite specific numbers being discussed in contract negotiations. That can't be known.

Plus its the friggin off season. We can discuss how much Eli sucks once the season starts.

byron
04-16-2013, 08:03 PM
But I did.

Mara HIMSELF came out and said he would make Cruz a very rich young man. $7 million, 3 years.

There are random sources being reported saying totally different and conflicting things. None of which are confirmed. I don't believe those reports. Which was reported...I have no problem with you not wanting to believe random sources ....I'm trying to make a simple point that some of what is being reported it true ...you adding in all the rest of the stuff as if you think I believe everything I've read .....

byron
04-16-2013, 08:12 PM
I really don't think I was "calling you out". I directed my post to you and Dez because we were talking about it yesterday and your view was that these reports had some credibility.
I say they don't have much at all. At least not any that cite specific numbers being discussed in contract negotiations. That can't be known.

Plus its the friggin off season. We can discuss how much Eli sucks once the season starts. I made the simple statement that some of what is being reported is true....I never mentioned numbers or said I believed any of those reports ....maybe calling out was the wrong way to say it..."Directed your post may have been better"...I don't mean to stifle discussion....so I'll say it again Not all of what we read is un-true !

Morehead State
04-16-2013, 09:59 PM
I made the simple statement that some of what is being reported is true....I never mentioned numbers or said I believed any of those reports ....maybe calling out was the wrong way to say it..."Directed your post may have been better"...I don't mean to stifle discussion....so I'll say it again Not all of what we read is un-true !
Well put it this way....all the reporting about the numbers is not based on any real information by anyone who's in a position to know.

I'm not saying none of it is true. I'm saying its speculation. I'm speculating that the Giants have offered him something like $28MM over 5 years with about $12M guaranteed. I may be right but its just a guess. I didn't get that from anyone involved in the negotiations. So someone else does the same thing on one of these websites and Dez posts it and states it as if its solid reporting.
That's my point.

byron
04-16-2013, 10:50 PM
Well put it this way....all the reporting about the numbers is not based on any real information by anyone who's in a position to know.

I'm not saying none of it is true. I'm saying its speculation. I'm speculating that the Giants have offered him something like $28MM over 5 years with about $12M guaranteed. I may be right but its just a guess. I didn't get that from anyone involved in the negotiations. So someone else does the same thing on one of these websites and Dez posts it and states it as if its solid reporting.
That's my point. Well the other day I thought Dez was basically just stating the some of it had to be true but here nor there...I doubt he signs for anything less than 7 mil average and I'm torn on the years....In my thinking the G money needs to come off the front end of any deal...and that money plus base, Ideally is what you think "as the boss" your gonna get back in production barring anything catastrophic....the old honest days pay for an honest days work.. Fair consideration for the risks that playing football has to be built in to that price...so it comes down to this what is a slot receiver worth add in any extras Cruz may bring to the table make a fair offer..... I know I'm crazy but if I'm paying I need to get my moneys worth....Couple months ago I thought a 5mil might do it so much for that.....Do you really the there is any solid reporting left in any media....Its become a guessing game imho to much focus on drama and bull****

Morehead State
04-17-2013, 08:14 AM
Well the other day I thought Dez was basically just stating the some of it had to be true but here nor there...I doubt he signs for anything less than 7 mil average and I'm torn on the years....In my thinking the G money needs to come off the front end of any deal...and that money plus base, Ideally is what you think "as the boss" your gonna get back in production barring anything catastrophic....the old honest days pay for an honest days work.. Fair consideration for the risks that playing football has to be built in to that price...so it comes down to this what is a slot receiver worth add in any extras Cruz may bring to the table make a fair offer..... I know I'm crazy but if I'm paying I need to get my moneys worth....Couple months ago I thought a 5mil might do it so much for that.....Do you really the there is any solid reporting left in any media....Its become a guessing game imho to much focus on drama and bull****

There are definitely some solid reporters, who report on the NFL. Shefter is definitely one of them. A couple guys from NFLN as well. But these aren't the sources reporting on "numbers" being discussed in the Victor Cruz thing. As a matter of fact, Shefter himself is saying that no one knows what the numbers are.
When a solid reporter, resists the temptation to throw out numbers and actually says..."I don't know", that has to be taken seriously.

I mean Dez comes out and says that the report of the Giants offering 3 years and $21MM was "proven true".
It has? How?
Maybe the team DID make that offer. But how on earth has it been "proven to be true?"
That's the kind of thing that bugs me.

MattMeyerBud
04-17-2013, 09:37 AM
Well Rudy I really don't care one way or the other , all I ever said from the beginning was that some of what is being reported is true... J Mara himself said that the offer would make Cruz a very rich young man...Do you not believe that report ? And if you do am I not right when I say that there is some truth in what is being reported ....just one example but there is other stuff out there....

i tend to lean with moorehead on this topic and say that we all really don't know **** about whats going on and to listen to these reports are just something to pass the time.

And while if I was forced to choose to believe Mara or not, i would. But one thing to keep in mind is that when we were going through this with Steve Smith, Mara had something similiar and Smith completely denied it. So I don't know. It would be weird for me if this happened twice.

MattMeyerBud
04-17-2013, 09:39 AM
But I did.

Mara HIMSELF came out and said he would make Cruz a very rich young man. $7 million, 3 years.

There are random sources being reported saying totally different and conflicting things. None of which are confirmed. I don't believe those reports.

i didn't see the article where Mara quoted numbers?

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 10:31 AM
Mara himself said 7 mill 3 years. Whats that add up too. 21 mill. I believe Mara over any of you, Steve Smith, MH, whoever.

Rudyy
04-17-2013, 10:41 AM
Mara himself said 7 mill 3 years. Whats that add up too. 21 mill. I believe Mara over any of you, Steve Smith, MH, whoever.Well duh, you should..that's probably the only guy you should believe, than those anonymous sources.

Rudyy
04-17-2013, 10:42 AM
i didn't see the article where Mara quoted numbers?I don't have the article right now, but I think he did speak numbers.

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 10:49 AM
Well duh, you should..that's probably the only guy you should believe, than those anonymous sources.Most were saying the same thing he did.

Rudyy
04-17-2013, 10:49 AM
Most were saying the same thing he did.Nope.

MattMeyerBud
04-17-2013, 12:10 PM
I don't have the article right now, but I think he did speak numbers.

na i dont think so. I think the only thing he said was that he would make him a very wealthy man. Plus the fact of him playing here, he would make a ton of money outside of football...

i think this debate should be on hold until somebody links the article or quote from Mara saying the cash he offered. Until that happens its all speculation from garbage writers and rumor mills who more than lkely are feeding off of each other

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 01:54 PM
CNN reports an arrest has been made in the Boston Marathon bombing, and the suspect is on his way to court. No name or photo has been released as of now.

JPizzack
04-17-2013, 02:00 PM
CNN reports an arrest has been made in the Boston Marathon bombing, and the suspect is on his way to court. No name or photo has been released as of now.

whaaaaat? Ima go look.

JPizzack
04-17-2013, 02:16 PM
Thanks for the info. I closed out all my news tabs about an hour ago. I would have never known.

JPizzack
04-17-2013, 02:22 PM
Heading to the Yanks game in a little bit for the grand tour for season ticket holders before tonight's game, suuhhweeet!!

I'm hoping they still have the Boston banners up. I'd like to get a photo of some of the stuff.

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 02:25 PM
Thanks for the info. I closed out all my news tabs about an hour ago. I would have never known.Now theres conflicting reports.

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 02:26 PM
Heading to the Yanks game in a little bit for the grand tour for season ticket holders before tonight's game, suuhhweeet!!

I'm hoping they still have the Boston banners up. I'd like to get a photo of some of the stuff.Have good time. dont bring a bag obviously.

Going next Friday against the Jays.

Rudyy
04-17-2013, 02:29 PM
I'm going to see the Nats later this summer.

JPizzack
04-17-2013, 02:42 PM
Have good time. dont bring a bag obviously.

Going next Friday against the Jays.

Yea, jsut the D-Backs tonight, nothing exciting. However my company just got hooked up with a pretty good discount for GOOD seats for about 12 games this season, so I'm trying to figure out if any of the games have a player I want to see specifically. one of those "Yea I saw him play in person once" kind of deals. lol

I REALLY wanna see the Dodgers, we play them at home in June....wanna check that out....

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 02:44 PM
http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/
could be one of those people.

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 02:46 PM
Yea, jsut the D-Backs tonight, nothing exciting. However my company just got hooked up with a pretty good discount for GOOD seats for about 12 games this season, so I'm trying to figure out if any of the games have a player I want to see specifically. one of those "Yea I saw him play in person once" kind of deals. lol

I REALLY wanna see the Dodgers, we play them at home in June....wanna check that out....Donnie Baseball comes home. :)

dezzzR
04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
Why is Mr. White sending ricin to our elected officials?!

Morehead State
04-17-2013, 05:31 PM
Mara himself said 7 mill 3 years. Whats that add up too. 21 mill. I believe Mara over any of you, Steve Smith, MH, whoever.
I didn't see that. can you supply a link.

Morehead State
04-17-2013, 05:35 PM
CNN reports an arrest has been made in the Boston Marathon bombing, and the suspect is on his way to court. No name or photo has been released as of now.
My point is made Dez.

Rudyy
04-17-2013, 05:39 PM
My point is made Dez.HAHAHAHA zing!

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 08:52 AM
Got upgraded to Legends seats last night at the game! However, I couldn't really take advantage of all the free food, because I ate so much at the Suite meet&greet thing lol.

Good game though, if anyone watched.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 08:58 AM
Donnie Baseball comes home. :)

Yea, and I also like Kemp and Kershaw.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 10:11 AM
Got upgraded to Legends seats last night at the game! However, I couldn't really take advantage of all the free food, because I ate so much at the Suite meet&greet thing lol.

Good game though, if anyone watched.Amazing game last night.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 10:14 AM
Amazing game last night.

yep sure caught me by surprise. I <3 Brett The Hitman Gardner.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 10:17 AM
My point is made Dez.Give me a break they corrected themselves like 15 mins later. And the other link I posted which is like Blecher report of real news, did infact show all those suspected in the attack. Should I never believe anything anyone tells me ever again unless you say so? Is that what you want?

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 10:21 AM
yep sure caught me by surprise. I <3 Brett The Hitman Gardner.Yea, Huge. And of course, Hafner. First pitch blllaaaow.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 10:34 AM
Yea, Huge. And of course, Hafner. First pitch blllaaaow.

I'd say we've so far benefited from the Swisher/Hafner swap (no i know they didnt swap, but Swish is in Cleveland now, and that's where Hafner was the last 10 years, and they both wear 33. lol)

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 11:01 AM
Give me a break they corrected themselves like 15 mins later. And the other link I posted which is like Blecher report of real news, did infact show all those suspected in the attack. Should I never believe anything anyone tells me ever again unless you say so? Is that what you want?
Yes but you still have to appreciate the cold irony. Don't you Dez?

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 11:02 AM
Amazing game last night.
Don't know about amazing. the Sox just took care of business.
But if you want to call that amazing....I'm on board.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 11:15 AM
I'd say we've so far benefited from the Swisher/Hafner swap (no i know they didnt swap, but Swish is in Cleveland now, and that's where Hafner was the last 10 years, and they both wear 33. lol)I know youll give me **** for this but I dont want both Tex and Grandy back. The line up can handle one of them. both are so streaky and it would hurt our current lineup. we look really good on offense. We have speed, avg, power. Its a great mix.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 11:17 AM
Don't know about amazing. the Sox just took care of business.
But if you want to call that amazing....I'm on board.I enjoy the simple things in life MH. Doesnt take much to please me.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 11:19 AM
Don't know about amazing. the Sox just took care of business.
But if you want to call that amazing....I'm on board.

sounds like a whole bunch of "MEH"....