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JPizzack
04-18-2013, 11:25 AM
I know youll give me **** for this but I dont want both Tex and Grandy back. The line up can handle one of them. both are so streaky and it would hurt our current lineup. we look really good on offense. We have speed, avg, power. Its a great mix.

I want granderson back. Tex is only as valuable as his batting average, which seems to shrink by the year.

This team will not survive 162 games with Vernon Wells and Jayson Nix. lol

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 11:39 AM
sounds like a whole bunch of "MEH"....
I agree...The Sox winning is b pretty commonplace.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 11:46 AM
I agree...The Sox winning is b pretty commonplace.

So youre not worried about how our B-team is right behind you already, when you projected we'd be in last all season? Our team is only going to get more healthy, and your team is always in shambles by june.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 11:49 AM
So youre not worried about how our B-team is right behind you already, when you projected we'd be in last all season? Our team is only going to get more healthy, and your team is always in shambles by june.
Your B team is better than your A team.
You will need to hand out walkers when they all come back.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 11:55 AM
Your B team is better than your A team.
You will need to hand out walkers when they all come back.

I feel as though youre referring to Jeter....who bat .316 last year?

Tex and Grandy are only 31, soooo care to elaborate?

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 11:57 AM
Your B team is better than your A team.
You will need to hand out walkers when they all come back.Whered you get yours from just in case the yanks need some?

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 12:01 PM
I feel as though youre referring to Jeter....who bat .316 last year?

Tex and Grandy are only 31, soooo care to elaborate?
You watch...when these guys come back they'll start losing.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 12:20 PM
You watch...when these guys come back they'll start losing.If they start slumping Girardi wont put up with it and hell shake up the line up. Yanks have depth now.

MattMeyerBud
04-18-2013, 12:26 PM
I agree...The Sox winning is b pretty commonplace.

i can't believe your playing the woulda coulda shoulda game about wins and losses last year with the Gmen....

MattMeyerBud
04-18-2013, 12:27 PM
You watch...when these guys come back they'll start losing.

you forgot to preamble that wtih "Dear God" and end it wtih "Amen"

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 01:52 PM
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562410_10151486990266263_1373708863_n.jpglol
Edit: Ohh neato, there war paint is the NY and Broncos logos. Didnt see that at first

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 01:57 PM
Maybe the red sox should actually make the playoffs one year before the fans start throwing predictions around....jussayin'

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 02:05 PM
i can't believe your playing the woulda coulda shoulda game about wins and losses last year with the Gmen....
Go back and re-read the conversation Matt.
I was responding to a poster who said that we should have won a couple games that we lost. My point was that if you want to play that game, then you have to include games we could have lost that we won.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 02:06 PM
Maybe the red sox should actually make the playoffs one year before the fans start throwing predictions around....jussayin'
So in 2011 we Giants fans had no right to have any confidence in our team because we didn't make the playoffs in 2010?

Good one Pizzle!

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 02:14 PM
So in 2011 we Giants fans had no right to have any confidence in our team because we didn't make the playoffs in 2010?

Good one Pizzle!No because our defense still sucked ***.

JPizzack
04-18-2013, 02:34 PM
So in 2011 we Giants fans had no right to have any confidence in our team because we didn't make the playoffs in 2010?

Good one Pizzle!

There has always been talent on the NY Giants roster.

Take what you will from that statement.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 02:54 PM
No because our Superbowl championship defense still sucked ***.

You made a small, yet innocent omission.

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 02:59 PM
You made a small, yet innocent omission.they were still terrible during the regular season. Almost didnt make it because of them.

Thats what I dont get with YA, slip, you, and a bunch of others Iv seen tear into this defense, but you all want to keep Perry. Makes absolutely no sense.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 03:02 PM
they were still terrible during the regular season. Almost didnt make it because of them.

Thats what I dont get with YA, slip, you, and a bunch of others Iv seen tear into this defense, but you all want to keep Perry. Makes absolutely no sense.
Is it your view that if the defense struggles it has to be the coach's fault?

dezzzR
04-18-2013, 03:45 PM
Is it your view that if the defense struggles it has to be the coach's fault?My view is when you have offenses move the ball at will on your defense its on the coach.

Why do you still want him here? Iv seen you rip the defense. Because of 4-5 games run in which he "simplified the defense" (his own words)? Please dont bring up the turnovers. It doesnt tell the story what so ever man.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 04:14 PM
My view is when you have offenses move the ball at will on your defense its on the coach.

Why do you still want him here? Iv seen you rip the defense. Because of 4-5 games run in which he "simplified the defense" (his own words)? Please dont bring up the turnovers. It doesnt tell the story what so ever man.
He's as good as most anyone else. There are no "defensive geniuses" anymore.
The reason our defense struggled is the same reason most or all defenses struggle......the players didn't play well enough. Usually because they aren't good enough.
Nothing makes a DC look better than better players.

Rudyy
04-18-2013, 05:33 PM
He's as good as most anyone else. There are no "defensive geniuses" anymore.The reason our defense struggled is the same reason most or all defenses struggle......the players didn't play well enough. Usually because they aren't good enough.Nothing makes a DC look better than better players.But they ARE good enough. They were good enough in the 2011 playoffs..they were good enough against great teams like GB, SF..playoff teams. The problem is (and same goes with the rest of our team), they are not consistent enough. It is both on the coach and the player.

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 05:48 PM
But they ARE good enough. They were good enough in the 2011 playoffs..they were good enough against great teams like GB, SF..playoff teams. The problem is (and same goes with the rest of our team), they are not consistent enough. It is both on the coach and the player.
Now Webby, Ross, Rolle, Tuck etc... are all 2 years older. The Giants defense is only as good as their pass rush...PERIOD!.
All the coaching won't effect the determination of the front 4 to get to the QB.

Rudyy
04-18-2013, 08:09 PM
Now Webby, Ross, Rolle, Tuck etc... are all 2 years older. The Giants defense is only as good as their pass rush...PERIOD!.All the coaching won't effect the determination of the front 4 to get to the QB.They sure as hell chose when to rush the QB a few times last year. I'll give you injuries..that's about it. Our players are good "enough".

Morehead State
04-18-2013, 08:20 PM
They sure as hell chose when to rush the QB a few times last year. I'll give you injuries..that's about it. Our players are good "enough".
Rudy.........Our team has to get better to get back tot he dance.
9-7 doesn't cut it very often in the NFL.

Rudyy
04-18-2013, 08:23 PM
Rudy.........Our team has to get better to get back tot he dance. 9-7 doesn't cut it very often in the NFL.Oh hell yes, I'm with you. I just think we have good players..they just derp around too much.

byron
04-18-2013, 09:05 PM
Oh hell yes, I'm with you. I just think we have good players..they just derp around too much. you're right Rudy when they go into derp mode its all over....and these coaches derp out right alone with them....they get a game plan the player can't execute... what do they do ? force it down the throats of the enemy any way.. adjustments!??? we don't need no stinking adjustments !!!!!

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 09:34 AM
well.. it looks like THEE game is already decided

Looks like we are doing the Eagles game in the beginning of October

so all of you new bloods make sure u get there!

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 09:36 AM
Rudy.........Our team has to get better to get back tot he dance.
9-7 doesn't cut it very often in the NFL.

people putting a number on wins and losses is bothersome to me...

It doesn't matter, its all about getting into the playoffs. How the regular season plays out is meaningless.

Some years 10 win teams don't get in the playoffs and some years there are two 8-8 teams in the playoffs.

Thats the truth of it

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 09:37 AM
well.. it looks like THEE game is already decided

Looks like we are doing the Eagles game in the beginning of October

so all of you new bloods make sure u get there!


YEEAAAA BIIIITCH!!!

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 09:38 AM
He's as good as most anyone else. There are no "defensive geniuses" anymore.
The reason our defense struggled is the same reason most or all defenses struggle......the players didn't play well enough. Usually because they aren't good enough.
Nothing makes a DC look better than better players.


thats pretty ridiculous...

the talent is obviously there

Morehead State
04-19-2013, 09:54 AM
thats pretty ridiculous...

the talent is obviously there
We are good enough (it seems) to be a contender. Are we good enough to be able to put the kind of pressure on opposing QB's that was the most important component of our playoff success? I don't know. The D line is changing. The entire defense is older. And NFL players can deteriorate quickly.
We went from one of the youngest teams in the NFL to one of the oldest in short order.
I don't know at all if we are good enough. Lets see what team we field after the draft and after more releases and FA signing happen.

the difference in today's NFL between 10-6 and 6-10 isn't much.

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 09:57 AM
We are good enough (it seems) to be a contender. Are we good enough to be able to put the kind of pressure on opposing QB's that was the most important component of our playoff success? I don't know. The D line is changing. The entire defense is older. And NFL players can deteriorate quickly.
We went from one of the youngest teams in the NFL to one of the oldest in short order.
I don't know at all if we are good enough. Lets see what team we field after the draft and after more releases and FA signing happen.

our offense is young. our D is what causes some probs.

This is Tuck's year. If he has a repeat of 11-12....he's useless to us. Our LBs have alwyas been bad, so age doesnt even matter. Ross, and Webster? ehh we'll see how that works out. The D looks rough on paper, man....JPP is the only stud we have at the moment. I hope Prince and some of other younger guys can prove me wrong.

Morehead State
04-19-2013, 10:00 AM
our offense is young. our D is what causes some probs.

This is Tuck's year. If he has a repeat of 11-12....he's useless to us. Our LBs have alwyas been bad, so age doesnt even matter. Ross, and Webster? ehh we'll see how that works out. The D looks rough on paper, man....JPP is the only stud we have at the moment. I hope Prince and some of other younger guys can prove me wrong.
First of all we have to see how the draft goes. Then we have to see how mini camps go. We also have to see who else we release. We then have to see who we sign. We then have to see who stays healthy through camp.
THEN....we can have an "indication" of how good our team can be.

To say that, right now, we have the team to win is silly. Because its un-knowable.
Last year we were a major disappointment. That we DO know.

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 10:00 AM
I think I might be able to attend a THEE game. Be excited...be very excited...

Morehead State
04-19-2013, 10:05 AM
I think I might be able to attend a THEE game. Be excited...be very excited...
Rook's gotta bring all the food.

I like shrimp.

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 10:17 AM
Rook's gotta bring all the food.

I like shrimp.

I like filet minon.

Moke
04-19-2013, 10:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPj5YOWEH0

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 10:19 AM
I'll bring napkins...

Moke
04-19-2013, 10:30 AM
I'll come if someone pays for my ticket.

I usually pay a -2.7% interest.

Yes, you read it correctly, -2.7%

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 10:31 AM
I'll come if someone pays for my ticket.I usually pay a -2.7% interest. Yes, you read it correctly, -2.7%Lmao. Let's go together!

Moke
04-19-2013, 10:33 AM
Lmao. Let's go together!

I'm broke. I just can't wait to graduate by next year and I'll be able to have some cash flow for a game or 2.

Or I can just save some money starting now.

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 10:37 AM
I'm broke. I just can't wait to graduate by next year and I'll be able to have some cash flow for a game or 2. Or I can just save some money starting now.Yeah, do that.

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 10:45 AM
I'm broke. I just can't wait to graduate by next year and I'll be able to have some cash flow for a game or 2.

Or I can just save some money starting now.

this is what happened to me the first year of THEE Game. I was barely making any money.

Moke
04-19-2013, 10:46 AM
I rather save money for something else. I would love to go to 1 game just to get a great experience at Metlife but when money is tight, I really don't mind watching at home.

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 10:48 AM
I rather save money for something else. I would love to go to 1 game just to get a great experience at Metlife but when money is tight, I really don't mind watching at home.You have like...6 months to save up, haha.

Moke
04-19-2013, 10:52 AM
You have like...6 months to save up, haha.

I'm currently saving up for a lot of other stuff though. I've decided to start saving up for after college, I really want to find my own place or something. Also putting money into mutual funds.

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 11:31 AM
I'm currently saving up for a lot of other stuff though. I've decided to start saving up for after college, I really want to find my own place or something. Also putting money into mutual funds.

that's called investing, not saving =P

Moke
04-19-2013, 11:33 AM
that's called investing, not saving =P

Sorry, saving and investing******

dezzzR
04-19-2013, 11:44 AM
He's as good as most anyone else. There are no "defensive geniuses" anymore.
The reason our defense struggled is the same reason most or all defenses struggle......the players didn't play well enough. Usually because they aren't good enough.
Nothing makes a DC look better than better players.No hes not. Weve been middle of the pack to dead last in almost all major defensive statistics since hes been here man. Given up 12000 yards in two years. Im sure theres someone out there that has a much better scheme. Our secondary are all first round picks except for Corey.

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 12:15 PM
We are good enough (it seems) to be a contender. Are we good enough to be able to put the kind of pressure on opposing QB's that was the most important component of our playoff success? I don't know. The D line is changing. The entire defense is older. And NFL players can deteriorate quickly.
We went from one of the youngest teams in the NFL to one of the oldest in short order.
I don't know at all if we are good enough. Lets see what team we field after the draft and after more releases and FA signing happen.

the difference in today's NFL between 10-6 and 6-10 isn't much.

the flipside to that is that a 13-3 team is only a few plays away from being a 10-6 team too...


so i guess in reality... 6-10 and 13-3 isn't much of a difference as well...

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 12:15 PM
I think I might be able to attend a THEE game. Be excited...be very excited...

did anybody else just get a BLT flashback?

did u go back and look at his posts before u said that?

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 12:16 PM
I'm broke. I just can't wait to graduate by next year and I'll be able to have some cash flow for a game or 2.

Or I can just save some money starting now.

i hear ya on broke, but im sure u can squeeze 80 bucks out.

I mean u do live in brooklyn right?

MattMeyerBud
04-19-2013, 12:17 PM
this is what happened to me the first year of THEE Game. I was barely making any money.

and then he developed the split personality known as DePizz, then hookers and alot of cash started going missing...

and the rest is history

egyptian420
04-19-2013, 12:21 PM
What a cooincidence, my buddy (who's an Eagles fan) wants us to go to THEE game....might just be there boys

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 12:23 PM
did anybody else just get a BLT flashback?did u go back and look at his posts before u said that?I'm not the new BLT!!!!

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 12:34 PM
I'm not the new BLT!!!!

that's what Dezz said also.

trollololol

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 12:36 PM
that's what Dezz said also. trollololol>.>

Moke
04-19-2013, 01:17 PM
i hear ya on broke, but im sure u can squeeze 80 bucks out.

I mean u do live in brooklyn right?

80 bucks for a game? Lol, yeah sure.

And yeah? I live with my parents still... it's not like I afford my own place lol

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 01:21 PM
80 bucks for a game? Lol, yeah sure.

And yeah? I live with my parents still... it's not like I afford my own place lol

You should ask Dezz to purchase his season tickets for THEE Game. he's never been to a Giants game anyway.

Moke
04-19-2013, 01:29 PM
You should ask Dezz to purchase his season tickets for THEE Game. he's never been to a Giants game anyway.

What? LOL.

JPizzack
04-19-2013, 02:01 PM
What? LOL.

*****, I didn't stutter!

Morehead State
04-19-2013, 04:27 PM
No hes not. Weve been middle of the pack to dead last in almost all major defensive statistics since hes been here man. Given up 12000 yards in two years. Im sure theres someone out there that has a much better scheme. Our secondary are all first round picks except for Corey.
You know who gave up more than Fewell this season?......Ya boy Spags.
I guess Spags forgot how to coach.

Morehead State
04-19-2013, 04:28 PM
What? LOL.
I don't think Dez has ever been to Jersey.

Rudyy
04-19-2013, 04:40 PM
Dezz y u such an enigma?

JPizzack
04-22-2013, 10:12 AM
Welcome back biznatches. where is everyone?

dezzzR
04-22-2013, 11:37 AM
Poor Jets fans....

Moke
04-22-2013, 11:39 AM
I don't think Dez has ever been to Jersey.

Makes sense.

JPizzack
04-22-2013, 11:56 AM
Poor Jets fans....

meh....you woulda said the same thing when Revis held out again, and then when he ended up leaving hte Jets anyway....so whats the ****ing difference? lol, at least this way they dont spend money, AND they get a few good picks. Idk, it made sense. the jets are rebuilding anyway....(as usual)

Moke
04-22-2013, 12:00 PM
Revis leaving New York is a good thing for the Jets IMO. Just poor Jets because they have not many star players, except Sanchez.

Sarcasm is somewhere.

dezzzR
04-22-2013, 12:25 PM
meh....you woulda said the same thing when Revis held out again, and then when he ended up leaving hte Jets anyway....so whats the ****ing difference? lol, at least this way they dont spend money, AND they get a few good picks. Idk, it made sense. the jets are rebuilding anyway....(as usual)Theyre really a mess. Woody is just as bad as Jerry

byron
04-22-2013, 12:38 PM
hey guys.....day off... A while back I started to cut back on what I do ..I just do small projects really don't want to build any more houses...So I had a chance to help this young fellow....The deal was I could work what hours I wanted to helping with cabinet building ....But man this kid is so dysfunctional its crazy...I go to the shop today and the power company has shut of the power to his house because he didn't pay his bill....Its like there is something every ****ing day...And his cell phone, "man" it like that thing is going off every minute...He has made commitments to people for work that I can't see him getting done ..I think I'm gonna have to go off on him ...its that or just let him crash and burn...The trouble with that is I really don't want to be in the plane when it goes down and I like him....I guess I just have to let him have it....rant over.......Eli is the greatest...Cruz is a greedy bum.....;)

dezzzR
04-22-2013, 12:59 PM
hey guys.....day off... A while back I started to cut back on what I do ..I just do small projects really don't want to build any more houses...So I had a chance to help this young fellow....The deal was I could work what hours I wanted to helping with cabinet building ....But man this kid is so dysfunctional its crazy...I go to the shop today and the power company has shut of the power to his house because he didn't pay his bill....Its like there is something every ****ing day...And his cell phone, "man" it like that thing is going off every minute...He has made commitments to people for work that I can't see him getting done ..I think I'm gonna have to go off on him ...its that or just let him crash and burn...The trouble with that is I really don't want to be in the plane when it goes down and I like him....I guess I just have to let him have it....rant over.......Eli is the greatest...Cruz is a greedy bum.....;)Be careful B and make sure hes not going to **** you on final payment.

We had a guy that wanted a kitchen and also wanted us to repair a beam that was damaged during Sandy. Insurance company gave him way more than what it really cost. Any way we did everything and hes trying to avoid us now. were pretty pissed off, especially the my dad, because the guy and his daughter were talking about all they things they would buy with the insurance money in front of him. But we have a one of his cabinet doors because the idiot took it off the box to show someone and scratched it pretty bad, put a few dents in it too, dont know if he ran over it with his car or whatlol . So if he wants the new door hell pay the balance.

We havent had to many wackos lately so thats good. Were doing a bathroom for a lady, she has crazy o.c.d. lol but at least shes real nice

JPizzack
04-22-2013, 01:35 PM
not only that, but what if Byron's reputation is on the line? I doubt it is....but as a young business owner, it seems like he might need you to set him straight, B!! lol

Tell him it's bad for business to make promises, not deliver, and then expect to continue doing business. Well, you know what he should and shouldnt do, bequeath some of that knowledge unto him, yo!! lol

and of course, make sure you get paid! =P

byron
04-22-2013, 07:17 PM
not only that, but what if Byron's reputation is on the line? I doubt it is....but as a young business owner, it seems like he might need you to set him straight, B!! lol

Tell him it's bad for business to make promises, not deliver, and then expect to continue doing business. Well, you know what he should and shouldnt do, bequeath some of that knowledge unto him, yo!! lol

and of course, make sure you get paid! =P yeah I been trying to tell him is a nice way he's screwing up....and he cooled it a little with the cell phone ....Seems like every day there is some kind of drama....he's never on time and what not....I knew the people we did the kitchen for so they knew it wasn't me ...But I had to step up far more than I had planned too... I found myself doing stuff alone while he was off ****ing around ....I also caught him drinking beers during the day....Every job has a little stress and tedious parts and that's when he starts to lose it... Idk its like he is " ADD" or something...Its to bad he does nice work but shows no discipline and is very irresponsible...I may well have to lay the law done if he doesn't straiten soon...Any how thanks JP/Dezz I am being careful but this may be "emails in morning time"!

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 10:34 AM
So who are the Giants taking with their first pick on thursday?

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 10:42 AM
yeah I been trying to tell him is a nice way he's screwing up....and he cooled it a little with the cell phone ....Seems like every day there is some kind of drama....he's never on time and what not....I knew the people we did the kitchen for so they knew it wasn't me ...But I had to step up far more than I had planned too... I found myself doing stuff alone while he was off ****ing around ....I also caught him drinking beers during the day....Every job has a little stress and tedious parts and that's when he starts to lose it... Idk its like he is " ADD" or something...Its to bad he does nice work but shows no discipline and is very irresponsible...I may well have to lay the law done if he doesn't straiten soon...Any how thanks JP/Dezz I am being careful but this may be "emails in morning time"!You said hes made "commitments" to other people, I assume that means he has other jobs. Hes probably starting these jobs to get the first payment. We run into contractors like that all the time(some people already have contractors so we just sell the cabinets or bathroom appliances), but theyre just shooting themselves in the foot. They just see the cashflow and dont realize they still need to pay for material. Finish the job, get your final payment, thats where the profit is. I never understood that, still dont.

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 10:43 AM
So who are the Giants taking with their first pick on thursday?

my guess is Carradine from FSU. cuz i assume his teammate Werner will be gone by then. I love Ogletree from UGA, but the giants NEVER draft LB, and they love the passrushers, so idk. I'd guess one of those 2, but likely Carradine

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 10:45 AM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/04/23/report-new-york-giants-victor-cruz-may-complete-new-deal-today/

DONT BELIEVE IT!

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 10:46 AM
my guess is Carradine from FSU. cuz i assume his teammate Werner will be gone by then. I love Ogletree from UGA, but the giants NEVER draft LB, and they love the passrushers, so idk. I'd guess one of those 2, but likely CarradineI usually read a little into the draft, havnt had much time too lately

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 11:05 AM
I usually read a little into the draft, havnt had much time too lately

I don't do extensive research, but what i've done in the past is, I'll pull all the big websites mock drafts....and they'll update 2 or 3 times prior to draft day....and that gives me enough info about the guys who will be avaialble say after the 10th pick or so...

MattMeyerBud
04-23-2013, 12:02 PM
i want one of the guards

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 12:40 PM
i want one of the guards

can't say I'd be upset if that happened either. lots of good OL in the early draft.

Rudyy
04-23-2013, 12:54 PM
I want either a DE or CB in the first...

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 01:03 PM
can't say I'd be upset if that happened either. lots of good OL in the early draft.
All 5 O linemen should definitely be gone. (Fisher, Joekel, Johnson, Warmack, Cooper)
I think if Werner is there, (and I think he will be) we take him. If not it might be Fluker.
I'm OK with either.

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 01:13 PM
I want either a DE or CB in the first...Id like olineman or a corner as well, can never have enough corners.

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 01:17 PM
Id like olineman or a corner as well, can never have enough corners.
If Rhodes is gone, would you reach for Trufant? Or would you go with Fluker?

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 02:04 PM
If Rhodes is gone, would you reach for Trufant? Or would you go with Fluker?Dont know enough about them . Sorry

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 02:16 PM
Dont know enough about them . Sorry
Well OK. I guess my question is would you reach for someone or go for better value at another position?

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Well OK. I guess my question is would you reach for someone or go for better value at another position?hmmm I think Id go with Fluker. You?

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 02:31 PM
hmmm I think Id go with Fluker. You?
I'm torn between Fluker and Werner. Werner would really enhance the D line rotation and be a great eventual replacement for Tuck.
I suppose I would draft Fluker if they both are there. Fluker is a prototypical RT and could really be a guy we could put in there right away.
And its all about protecting the QB right now on offense. We have weapons all over the place.
I would prefer Werner IF we signed a good vet RT like Winston though. That's the best scenario. But without a vet RT, I say Fluker.

BUT...I think JR will draft Werner over Fluker, based on his resistance to draft O line in round 1.

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 02:34 PM
I'm torn between Fluker and Werner. Werner would really enhance the D line rotation and be a great eventual replacement for Tuck.
I suppose I would draft Fluker if they both are there. Fluker is a prototypical RT and could really be a guy we could put in there right away.
And its all about protecting the QB right now on offense. We have weapons all over the place.
I would prefer Werner IF we signed a good vet RT like Winston though. That's the best scenario. But without a vet RT, I say Fluker.

BUT...I think JR will draft Werner over Fluker, based on his resistance to draft O line in round 1.

I think Werner is gone before he gets to us.

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 02:53 PM
I think Werner is gone before he gets to us.
I thought I saw you say that before but I'd say its much better than 50/50 that he's still there.
The 5 O linemen will be gone and everyone wants pass rushers early. Werner is more of a LDE who isn't considered a great pass rusher.
Not sure you're right about that but draft rarely go as planned.

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 03:08 PM
I thought I saw you say that before but I'd say its much better than 50/50 that he's still there.
The 5 O linemen will be gone and everyone wants pass rushers early. Werner is more of a LDE who isn't considered a great pass rusher.
Not sure you're right about that but draft rarely go as planned.

they never do.

yea, to be honest, i dont care, cuz i'd be happy with any of the players discussed. I'd like an impact LB one of these day, but apparently we dont do that kind of thing.....you know....get good LBs......?

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 03:13 PM
they never do.

yea, to be honest, i dont care, cuz i'd be happy with any of the players discussed. I'd like an impact LB one of these day, but apparently we dont do that kind of thing.....you know....get good LBs......?
Just no one there at LB at 19. Teo is a bad match for NY and Ogeltree has bust written all over him.
Its about protecting the QB and getting to the QB. That's how football works these days.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rhodes drop with everyone trying to get pass rushers.

And I have a feeling that 2 QB's will be gone by 19 as well.

JPizzack
04-23-2013, 03:17 PM
Just no one there at LB at 19. Teo is a bad match for NY and Ogeltree has bust written all over him.
Its about protecting the QB and getting to the QB. That's how football works these days.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rhodes drop with everyone trying to get pass rushers.

And I have a feeling that 2 QB's will be gone by 19 as well.

the jets should draft one =P

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 03:22 PM
the jets should draft one =P
I have a feeling they are using one of those picks on a QB. Maybe Mingo and Geno Smith. They could go for one of the tackles if they fall.

dezzzR
04-23-2013, 03:31 PM
the jets should draft one =PThey really should all kidding aside. Sanchez is not the answer

Morehead State
04-23-2013, 03:38 PM
They really should all kidding aside. Sanchez is not the answer
I think there is actually a chance that they will eat the $8MM and cut him before the season starts. I can see Garrard as the starter and a guy like Geno as the understudy.
Its a new regime there now. Only Rex is left. And really, he's been a pretty decent HC. The FO has been a nightmare though.

ShakeandBake
04-23-2013, 06:17 PM
I have a feeling they are using one of those picks on a QB. Maybe Mingo and Geno Smith. They could go for one of the tackles if they fall.

They should go QB/CB but they will more than likely waste their 2 first rounders.

Imgrate
04-24-2013, 04:50 AM
Drafting Fluker is worse than drafting Wilson last year.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 07:27 AM
2nd day of acupuncture today.
Its like going to the friggin dentist.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 09:55 AM
They should go QB/CB but they will more than likely waste their 2 first rounders.

a bunch of legit level-headed Jets fans and 4 names surfaced multiple times.


CB Dee Milliner
DE Ziggy Ansah
DE Barkevious Mingo
TE Tyler Eifert

idk, i think it'd be more fun to watch them crash and burn. I think the guys i spoke to are going under the assumption that theyll continue to to pay Sanchez his ridiculous contract. Do you think there has EVER been a more overpaid player before? lol

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 09:56 AM
a bunch of legit level-headed Jets fans and 4 names surfaced multiple times.


CB Dee Milliner
DE Ziggy Ansah
DE Barkevious Mingo
TE Tyler Eifert

idk, i think it'd be more fun to watch them crash and burn. I think the guys i spoke to are going under the assumption that theyll continue to to pay Sanchez his ridiculous contract. Do you think there has EVER been a more overpaid player before? lol
Mingo and Geno.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 09:59 AM
IDK guys, the more I think about it, I don't really see us going Offensive Lineman in the first. I mean if we were a top 5 pick, maybe....

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 10:01 AM
IDK guys, the more I think about it, I don't really see us going Offensive Lineman in the first. I mean if we were a top 5 pick, maybe....
I think we should pick Fluker but I agree that we probably won't.
Unless someone really drops, I see Werner as the pick.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 10:01 AM
Mingo and Geno.

I wonder what the Browns will do if that goes down. lol

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 10:04 AM
I think we should pick Fluker but I agree that we probably won't.
Unless someone really drops, I see Werner as the pick.

if Werner isn't there do we go with Tank Carradine, or Trufant at CB maybe?

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 10:05 AM
I wonder what the Browns will do if that goes down. lol
The Browns will have already picked. Word is that Milliner is high on their list.

The Jets need a QB and a pass rusher. The third need in corner but I don't think thats as huge a need as some think.

I say they pull the plug on Sanchez. They will probably ride him out as the third QB or just cut him. Garrard is simply a better player and Rex has to answer to the new regime.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 10:06 AM
if Werner isn't there do we go with Tank Carradine, or Trufant at CB maybe?
The ACL bothers me with Tank. Hard to use a 1st rounder on a guy with that kind of risk. We got burned with Austin.
Trufant is definitely a possibility though but I still think D line will be JR's focus.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 10:57 AM
The ACL bothers me with Tank. Hard to use a 1st rounder on a guy with that kind of risk. We got burned with Austin.
Trufant is definitely a possibility though but I still think D line will be JR's focus.

Good point. Austin was a former top 15 pick that we got in the 2nd round. So on paper it was a good deal.

Imgrate
04-24-2013, 11:59 AM
Tank and Austin are completely different situations. .. Austin was out of football for 2 years. Tank has been out 5 months.

MattMeyerBud
04-24-2013, 12:07 PM
Drafting Fluker is worse than drafting Wilson last year.

lol Fluker only if the guards are gone

MattMeyerBud
04-24-2013, 12:08 PM
a bunch of legit level-headed Jets fans and 4 names surfaced multiple times.


CB Dee Milliner
DE Ziggy Ansah
DE Barkevious Mingo
TE Tyler Eifert

idk, i think it'd be more fun to watch them crash and burn. I think the guys i spoke to are going under the assumption that theyll continue to to pay Sanchez his ridiculous contract. Do you think there has EVER been a more overpaid player before? lol

theres no QB worht picks that high... they are better off using one of them to trade down, or using their 2nd rounder to trade up

MattMeyerBud
04-24-2013, 12:10 PM
The Browns will have already picked. Word is that Milliner is high on their list.

The Jets need a QB and a pass rusher. The third need in corner but I don't think thats as huge a need as some think.

I say they pull the plug on Sanchez. They will probably ride him out as the third QB or just cut him. Garrard is simply a better player and Rex has to answer to the new regime.

Garrard? lol stop it... .unfortunately Sanchez is their best option

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 12:12 PM
theres no QB worht picks that high... they are better off using one of them to trade down, or using their 2nd rounder to trade up

why would they need to trade up? They dont need anything higher than their current pick

jsut because I don't personally think Geno Smith is worth a 1st round pick, doesnt mean the jets wont do it lol

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 12:17 PM
The Jets would be fools to not go offense with their first pick.

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 12:18 PM
Tank and Austin are completely different situations. .. Austin was out of football for 2 years. Tank has been out 5 months.Yea maybe well finally get to see him this year...

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 12:26 PM
Yea maybe well finally get to see him this year...

maybe one day he'll be worth a 2nd round pick. lol

MattMeyerBud
04-24-2013, 12:30 PM
why would they need to trade up? They dont need anything higher than their current pick

jsut because I don't personally think Geno Smith is worth a 1st round pick, doesnt mean the jets wont do it lol

Alot of speculation that teams are going to be moving up for QBs at the end of the first round because alot of the teams in the top 10 COULD use a QB, but none of them are worth the top 10 pick.

So they are going to move and take their shot. And if your the Jets and your talking QB and you really feel you have to do something, you aren't going to let it come to you. Your going to make your move to get your guy at the end of the first

MattMeyerBud
04-24-2013, 12:31 PM
The Jets would be fools to not go offense with their first pick.

they def could use a WR or OLine...

as good as effiert is, i just think it would be silly to go tight end with so much talent every where else and so many needs.

But there are no QBs and no RBs...

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 12:59 PM
lol Fluker only if the guards are gone
The guards will be long gone Matt. The top 5 O linemen will all be long gone.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 01:00 PM
Garrard? lol stop it... .unfortunately Sanchez is their best option
Didn't know you were such a Sanchez fan.
He stinks Matt. Garrard is a much better player. BTW....also a TC fav.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 01:04 PM
Yea maybe well finally get to see him this year...
Austin was only out of football for 1 year when he was drafted.

But I did "misremember" (thanks Roger) that he was NOT coming off an injury. He was coming off a suspension.

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 01:56 PM
I have question for MH. I wanted to post it here cause "who the worst fans in fb" is already off topic as it is. Anyway remember when we were discussing the desegregation of the MLB? You thought once the league started letting African Americans into the league, more talent was coming into the league (which I agreed with)and you suggested that stats from before the desegregation werent as...Ill say important.( I didnt agree with)

How come you dont share the same view when the AFL and NFL merged? Granted its a tad different, the MLB was bringing in individuals and the AFL brought their teams into the NFL, but I believe the premise is the same regarding talent.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 02:19 PM
I have question for MH. I wanted to post it here cause "who the worst fans in fb" is already off topic as it is. Anyway remember when we were discussing the desegregation of the MLB? You thought once the league started letting African Americans into the league, more talent was coming into the league (which I agreed with)and you suggested that stats from before the desegregation werent as...Ill say important.( I didnt agree with)

How come you dont share the same view when the AFL and NFL merged? Granted its a tad different, the MLB was bringing in individuals and the AFL brought their teams into the NFL, but I believe the premise is the same regarding talent.

This guy was making the point that since the AFL existed, the NFL championship was a "sub championship".
Its a different argument. Your argument isn't the argument we were making. Clearly, the individual accomplishments of all sports back when African-Americans couldn't participate, are to be taken with a grain of salt. But team championships are a bit different.
But if you want to go there Dez, then all those Yankee championships from the 20's and 30's are in question.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 02:25 PM
Austin was only out of football for 1 year when he was drafted.

But I did "misremember" (thanks Roger) that he was NOT coming off an injury. He was coming off a suspension.

yes he missed time as a rookie when he hit the IR in camp that year.

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 02:28 PM
This guy was making the point that since the AFL existed, the NFL championship was a "sub championship".
Its a different argument. Your argument isn't the argument we were making. Clearly, the individual accomplishments of all sports back when African-Americans couldn't participate, are to be taken with a grain of salt. But team championships are a bit different.
But if you want to go there Dez, then all those Yankee championships from the 20's and 30's are in question.I dont see a difference. Hes basically saying the championships pre merger dont matter as much, like you say stats pre desegregation dont matter as much. how can you say stats dont count but championships do. Having a number of championships is the ultimate stat, is it not? Again I agree with everything you were saying(except stats not being as important).
That exactly what I said to gentlegiant about the Eagles championship.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 02:29 PM
This guy was making the point that since the AFL existed, the NFL championship was a "sub championship".
Its a different argument. Your argument isn't the argument we were making. Clearly, the individual accomplishments of all sports back when African-Americans couldn't participate, are to be taken with a grain of salt. But team championships are a bit different.
But if you want to go there Dez, then all those Yankee championships from the 20's and 30's are in question.

I'd say personal feats and records are more in question than championships. even before desegregation, it was just ****ty white players playing against ****ty white players. lol it was still the best of the mediocre. haha

But I stand by my point that records prior to blacks in baseball are all kinda BS. It's all kind of subjective I guess, but...it brings me back to the Tosh debate:
If youre going to put an asterisk next to barry bonds, then ya gotta put one next to babe ruth (not that ruth's records stand anymore).

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 02:34 PM
I dont see a difference. Hes basically saying the championships pre merger dont matter as much, like you say stats pre desegregation dont matter as much. how can you say stats dont count but championships do. Having a number of championships is the ultimate stat, is it not? Again I agree with everything you were saying(except stats not being as important).
That exactly what I said to gentlegiant about the Eagles championship.

we count AFL champs as much as we count NFL champs, dont we?

ex. The KC Chiefs of the 60s were kind of a powerhouse team. they have 4 total championships, including super bowl 4

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 02:35 PM
oh, but that being said....when we quote stats as giants fans, we just say "4 time Superbowl Champ Giants"....so we all kind of ignore it until some shmuck from another team says they have titles pre-merger (we have alot of those too lol)

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 02:35 PM
I dont see a difference. Hes basically saying the championships pre merger dont matter as much, like you say stats pre desegregation dont matter as much. how can you say stats dont count but championships do. Having a number of championships is the ultimate stat, is it not? Again I agree with everything you were saying(except stats not being as important).
That exactly what I said to gentlegiant about the Eagles championship.
First of all, that guy is a Morehead Stalker.
He's Dark Saint, 4th and 1 and ElidaMANning. All he does is go thread to thread to call good Ol' Morehead names.
Secondly, his point had nothing to do with what you are talking about. He was saying that even in the 60's (with full integration) the NFL championships didn't mean anything because the AFL existed.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 02:38 PM
we count AFL champs as much as we count NFL champs, dont we?

ex. The KC Chiefs of the 60s were kind of a powerhouse team. they have 4 total championships, including super bowl 4
No one cares about AFL championships. Its just a BS agreement to include the stats in the NFL record books from the AFL to keep the AFL owners happy.
There are only two AFL championship teams that matter. And that's the 68 Jets and the 69 Chiefs. (Friggin Otis Taylor in that game....Holy Crap!)

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 02:40 PM
No one cares about AFL championships. Its just a BS agreement to include the stats in the NFL record books from the AFL to keep the AFL owners happy.
There are only two AFL championship teams that matter. And that's the 68 Jets and the 69 Chiefs. (Friggin Otis Taylor in that game....Holy Crap!)

ok well now I see Dezz' point. Youre saying nobody cares, but we talk about our 4 NFL championships pre-merger. So I guess those are irrelevant?

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 02:44 PM
First of all, that guy is a Morehead Stalker.
He's Dark Saint, 4th and 1 and ElidaMANning. All he does is go thread to thread to call good Ol' Morehead names.
Secondly, his point had nothing to do with what you are talking about. He was saying that even in the 60's (with full integration) the NFL championships didn't mean anything because the AFL existed.I understand that, but youre basically saying the same thing he is regarding desegregation of MLB.

Morehead State
04-24-2013, 02:49 PM
I understand that, but youre basically saying the same thing he is regarding desegregation of MLB.
Dez...As I remember that argument it was about when the best baseball was being played in MLB. Before integration, you can't argue that all the best players were playing. Even after that, it wasn't until the 60's when Latin players started playing, that MLB was at its best.
Thru the 60's, if you were a kid and a great athlete, you played baseball, so all the best athletes were in MLB. Once the 70's hit, many of the great athletes started playing football and basketball as well.
Its all coming back to me. Having said all that, the actual championships were still well earned and are just as valid.

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 02:54 PM
I'd say personal feats and records are more in question than championships. even before desegregation, it was just ****ty white players playing against ****ty white players. lol it was still the best of the mediocre. haha

But I stand by my point that records prior to blacks in baseball are all kinda BS. It's all kind of subjective I guess, but...it brings me back to the Tosh debate:
If youre going to put an asterisk next to barry bonds, then ya gotta put one next to babe ruth (not that ruth's records stand anymore).That stupid Tosh quote is what started the whole thinglol. Hes wrong though. If over half the league were made up by minorites, Id agree, but minorities only make up around 20% of the league TODAY. Minorities showed the can put up numbers just as good or even better than their white counterparts, but there were so few it doesnt and shouldnt tarnish what happened pre desegregation.

Tosh also tried ripping the giants after they won last year. "yea like a 9-7 team that couldnt beat the redskins once is the best team in the world." Then made a comment on how Eli looks ******ed. I think hes a bitter Eagle fan.

JPizzack
04-24-2013, 04:20 PM
I just saw a guy that looked identical to Stringer Bell (Idris Elba), except he was only like 5'10" ish

I was very disappointed that this guy didn't have an English accent.

dezzzR
04-24-2013, 05:07 PM
Maybe someone older can answer this. In pictures from the 50's Giants wore a blue jacket with an NY(ny baseball giants /mets logo) on them . What color was the NY logo on their jacket? White or red? All can find is two on google with white lettering, but I could swear I saw an old colored video where the NY was red.
Got this hat store near me and they make hats for cheap. put the NY in red in the front(possibly small and put it right over the brim in the corner) and the GIANTS small on the back on the fitted.

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 08:57 AM
This is what happens when you have a former Yankee on the team.

Aceves is a toxic nightmare. Have fun pitching in Pawtucket.

MattMeyerBud
04-25-2013, 09:40 AM
Didn't know you were such a Sanchez fan.
He stinks Matt. Garrard is a much better player. BTW....also a TC fav.

a TC favorite - in 2002. Not sure a 4th round pick means favorite either...

saying Sanchez is unfortunately the best option when your other option is Garrard isn't exactly a ringing endorsement

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 09:52 AM
a TC favorite - in 2002. Not sure a 4th round pick means favorite either...

saying Sanchez is unfortunately the best option when your other option is Garrard isn't exactly a ringing endorsement
TC was a big believer and booster of Garrard.
You didn't know that?

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 09:53 AM
This is what happens when you have a former Yankee on the team.

Aceves is a toxic nightmare. Have fun pitching in Pawtucket.

even when they yankees had him he was only good for periods of time, never a very consistent option.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 09:56 AM
a TC favorite - in 2002. Not sure a 4th round pick means favorite either...

saying Sanchez is unfortunately the best option when your other option is Garrard isn't exactly a ringing endorsement

I'd pick Garrard over Sanchez easily. Although he's a bit aged now, he's still a professional.

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 09:57 AM
even when they yankees had him he was only good for periods of time, never a very consistent option.
Its not that he sucks. Its that he a malcontent.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 10:05 AM
Its not that he sucks. Its that he a malcontent.

well he did choose to play in boston because he was mad at the yanks. who chooses their career path based on being an *******? lol

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 10:07 AM
well he did choose to play in boston because he was mad at the yanks. who chooses their career path based on being an *******? lol
I assume it was the best offer he got. The bottom line is that the kid is a punk.
He had one of the worst innings pitched in the history of baseball, and he blamed the weather, the ump, and his teammates.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 10:11 AM
I assume it was the best offer he got. The bottom line is that the kid is a punk.
He had one of the worst innings pitched in the history of baseball, and he blamed the weather, the ump, and his teammates.


hahahaha totally missed that. is there a link?

and yes i agree...hes a punk

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 10:12 AM
That old guy struck out 10 last night.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 10:19 AM
That old guy struck out 10 last night.

we lost, shutout, who cares

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 10:29 AM
we lost, shutout, who caresMany yankee fans do pizzle. Hes red hot. Win or lose its a good thing.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 10:54 AM
Many yankee fans do pizzle. Hes red hot. Win or lose its a good thing.

Ws are a better thing. especially against a division opponent.

Would you get excited for Eli throwing 400 yards, if we lost to the Eagles by 20? lol

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 10:56 AM
I'm happy that Pettite is pithign so well, but we need to win games, and make sure he lasts the season.

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 11:01 AM
I'm happy that Pettite is pithign so well, but we need to win games, and make sure he lasts the season.
Don't tell Dez, but I'm actually impressed with Pettitte.

I've always liked that guy. Still remember how he got screwed out of the Cy Young by Pat Hengton.

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 11:10 AM
Ws are a better thing. especially against a division opponent.

Would you get excited for Eli throwing 400 yards, if we lost to the Eagles by 20? lolIf it was a close game, sure. Id be mighty pissed we lost but if it was a hard fought game, it makes it more bearable. Baseballs a marathon not a sprint. Games mean much more in football.

Its not like they were blown out last night either.

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 11:11 AM
I'm happy that Pettite is pithign so well, but we need to win games, and make sure he lasts the season.We are winning games broham

Morehead State
04-25-2013, 11:14 AM
Gotta agree with Dezipoo on this one. In a 162 game schedule you want guys playing well, even if they lose. If its football, with 16 games that's a different matter. But in baseball, there are good losses. Or at least losses that offer encouragement.

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 11:43 AM
Are feeling ok MH?

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 11:55 AM
If it was a close game, sure. Id be mighty pissed we lost but if it was a hard fought game, it makes it more bearable. Baseballs a marathon not a sprint. Games mean much more in football.

Its not like they were blown out last night either.

see everyone says that....but look at it from another angle.

every team is guaranteed to win 50, and lose 50. that's only leaves 60 games that "matter".....so every win adds up man. idk

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 11:58 AM
Don't tell Dez, but I'm actually impressed with Pettitte.

I've always liked that guy. Still remember how he got screwed out of the Cy Young by Pat Hengton.

close race for AL cy young that year. Yea, he really did get hosed though.

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 12:43 PM
wow....this is a quick read, but it's slightly depressing http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201304/super-bowl-winning-qb-paying-price-pain

poor guy is finally paying for being the tough SOB he was

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 12:48 PM
Suck but thats what they get paid the big bucks for

JPizzack
04-25-2013, 01:06 PM
Suck but thats what they get paid the big bucks for

yep

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 02:29 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular#slide=233 0913

aliens

DavenIII
04-25-2013, 04:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TonyMoeaki81/status/327400988841480193

dezzzR
04-25-2013, 04:40 PM
Cam Newton hit 161 times while rushing or throwing last year. damn

byron
04-25-2013, 04:57 PM
Cam Newton hit 161 times while rushing or throwing last year. damn he won't last getting hit like that all the time

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 09:10 AM
man I can't believe we took the lowest rated player of the first round....

WE passed on Trufant, Werner, AND SHARRIF FLOYD(who had no business dropping to where he was taken) to take a guy we could have drafted today.....jeez.

Don't get me wrong, I think Pugh is going to be good, but 1st round? can't say I understand that...

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 10:01 AM
Theyre saying Pugh has TRex arms.

Morehead State
04-26-2013, 10:08 AM
man I can't believe we took the lowest rated player of the first round....

WE passed on Trufant, Werner, AND SHARRIF FLOYD(who had no business dropping to where he was taken) to take a guy we could have drafted today.....jeez.

Don't get me wrong, I think Pugh is going to be good, but 1st round? can't say I understand that...

Exactly Pizz. Its not the player that bothers me. Its that we passed on huge talent to reach into the second round to fill an immediate need. Which is NOT what you're supposed to do with the draft.

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 10:22 AM
Exactly Pizz. Its not the player that bothers me. Its that we passed on huge talent to reach into the second round to fill an immediate need. Which is NOT what you're supposed to do with the draft.

If we waited, we definitely still could have had him. And I would have definitely been on board with that. I mean, I don't think we NEEDED a DT....but how do you NOT want Sharrif Floyd? I couldn't believe my ears when he was falling.

Oh well. Hopefully Pugh just steps in, and is a straight up ****ing monster, if not, we wasted a pick. Idk..

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 10:26 AM
Theyre saying Pugh has TRex arms.

Daven isn't big enough to play OT, i dont know what youre talking about.

Idk, I trust Reese's description of him...he said that over all the footage, he could never find any issues with his arms...so idk where that comes from, but i havent looked yet

Morehead State
04-26-2013, 10:30 AM
If we waited, we definitely still could have had him. And I would have definitely been on board with that. I mean, I don't think we NEEDED a DT....but how do you NOT want Sharrif Floyd? I couldn't believe my ears when he was falling.

Oh well. Hopefully Pugh just steps in, and is a straight up ****ing monster, if not, we wasted a pick. Idk..
Its not a waisted pick. I mean I assume JR believes he's a good prospect. But that's what he is....a prospect. You can't draft these kids and assume they will start week 1. Thats what free agency is for.
He passed on superior talent to fill a need because he had allowed our roster to have NO STARTING RT, on it.

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 10:34 AM
Its not a waisted pick. I mean I assume JR believes he's a good prospect. But that's what he is....a prospect. You can't draft these kids and assume they will start week 1. Thats what free agency is for.
He passed on superior talent to fill a need because he had allowed our roster to have NO STARTING RT, on it.

errrrr.....he BETTER start....why else would we pick him?? I dont get it. As of right now, The only name i recognize on our O-line backups is Brewer...and I only know him because we consider him a wasted OL pick too =P

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 10:46 AM
I think well be ok. Im pretty sure hes an eagle fan though. His buddys were wearing eagles jerseys.
Regardless he seemed pretty excited

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 10:52 AM
Daven isn't big enough to play OT, i dont know what youre talking about.

Idk, I trust Reese's description of him...he said that over all the footage, he could never find any issues with his arms...so idk where that comes from, but i havent looked yetWell call him P-Rex

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 11:26 AM
We're currently listing 4 TEs on our roster......uhh why? Can't we just cut them?! *****, you know you arent making the team!! lol

Morehead State
04-26-2013, 11:28 AM
We're currently listing 4 TEs on our roster......uhh why? Can't we just cut them?! *****, you know you arent making the team!! lol
They will.

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 11:31 AM
see everyone says that....but look at it from another angle.

every team is guaranteed to win 50, and lose 50. that's only leaves 60 games that "matter".....so every win adds up man. idkYes and wins/losses usually come in streaks.

I dont want to go back to football but look at 07. We beat the Bills, clinched playoffs, and TC kept his foot on the gas by starting everyone and we put up a good fight against the Pats which carried over into the playoffs.

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 11:32 AM
They will.I dont think Bears going anywhere. TCs like te that can block.

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 11:35 AM
I dont think Bears going anywhere. TCs like te that can block.

yea Pascoe will stay. It's these other jobbers Robinson and Donnell who are uhh...who the **** are tehy? lol

Morehead State
04-26-2013, 11:41 AM
yea Pascoe will stay. It's these other jobbers Robinson and Donnell who are uhh...who the **** are tehy? lol
Man how bad does that Robinson pick look?

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 11:47 AM
Man how bad does that Robinson pick look?

I actually did not even remember that we drafted him till I looked at the depth chart lol

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 11:50 AM
Man how bad does that Robinson pick look?What round was that?

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 11:53 AM
How many TEs has Reese drafted? 3?

Boss was the only one that slightly worked out I guess lol

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 11:53 AM
What round was that?

4

DavenIII
04-26-2013, 11:57 AM
Theyre saying Pugh has TRex arms.

Then you know he's gonna be good, T-Rex arms are more powerful!

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 12:42 PM
Then you know he's gonna be good, T-Rex arms are more powerful!

totally, he can probably do like 19084025 pushups!!

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 12:58 PM
lol Reese said Pugh was BPA.

Rudyy
04-26-2013, 01:10 PM
lol Reese said Pugh was BPA.Yeah..I don't believe that..

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 01:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRd7YxesuaE

playoffs suckaaaaas

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 01:18 PM
Yeah..I don't believe that..ehh. I dont see any reason for Reese to lie

Rudyy
04-26-2013, 01:20 PM
ehh. I dont see any reason for Reese to lieTrue. Maybe he really did think that. I certainly disagree with Mr. Reese, but I'm not the GM so my opinion does not matter.

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 01:22 PM
lol Reese said Pugh was BPA.

not even remotely close. I dont care if he's an expert, that's straight BS. lol

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 01:27 PM
not even remotely close. I dont care if he's an expert, that's straight BS. lolYea Im on the fence, on one hand why would Reese lie, on the other, Pugh over a guy like Flunker? I dont think so.
Either way, MHs reaction
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h368/blueskool9/GIFs/BUD_HEAD_EXPLODE.gif

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 01:33 PM
Yea Im on the fence, on one hand why would Reese lie, on the other, Pugh over a guy like Flunker? I dont think so.
Either way, MHs reaction


regardless of whether Reese & Co. decided to go Oline before D-line & DB, there were STILL better option. I mean, like i've said, I do LIKE the pick, i just dont understand why it required us to use a 19th overall pick?! wtf

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 01:42 PM
regardless of whether Reese & Co. decided to go Oline before D-line & DB, there were STILL better option. I mean, like i've said, I do LIKE the pick, i just dont understand why it required us to use a 19th overall pick?! wtfFrom Reese we trust
Paul Dottino said that DJ Fluker was #1 on their board for their 1st Round Pick and Pugh was right behind him

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 01:45 PM
From Reese we trust
Paul Dottino said that DJ Fluker was #1 on their board for their 1st Round Pick and Pugh was right behind him

/facepalm

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 01:47 PM
/facepalmyoure facepalming because of the h=5, arent you? lmao

JPizzack
04-26-2013, 01:50 PM
youre facepalming because of the h=5, arent you? lmao

HAHAHA YEP!!

especially since everyone knows e=5, and there were better numbers AND letters available before both!!

dezzzR
04-26-2013, 02:01 PM
HAHAHA YEP!!

especially since everyone knows e=5, and there were better numbers AND letters available before both!!lol I have no friggin clue what youre talking about. I just copy and paste and that comes up.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 08:35 AM
YAAAAOOOO how bout dem yanks, yo

Morehead State
04-29-2013, 09:00 AM
YAAAAOOOO how bout dem second place yanks, yo

Awesome!!!

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 09:04 AM
Awesome!!!

I wouldnt expect you to be nervous about our team of no-names, 2 games behind you. youre too naive for that lol

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 09:05 AM
You can keep 1st place actually, cuz we all know what happens when the sox are in 1st place all year. EPIC COLLAPSE INCOMING

Morehead State
04-29-2013, 09:17 AM
I wouldnt expect you to be nervous about our team of no-names, 2 games behind you. youre too naive for that lol
Just wait for all the pre madonnas to come back and see how the chemistry of the team goes down the tubes.
I actually like the fact that the Yanks are doing well with a bunch of unknowns. The Sox are pretty much doing the same thing. But our team is on the field. Yours will be crawling back from the DL and when they come back, given all their salaries, they will displace all these kids who got them off to such a good start.
Then we will see the same, disfunctional team. That's when the fun will be over for Yankee fans.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 09:29 AM
Just wait for all the pre madonnas to come back and see how the chemistry of the team goes down the tubes.
I actually like the fact that the Yanks are doing well with a bunch of unknowns. The Sox are pretty much doing the same thing. But our team is on the field. Yours will be crawling back from the DL and when they come back, given all their salaries, they will displace all these kids who got them off to such a good start.
Then we will see the same, disfunctional team. That's when the fun will be over for Yankee fans.

Can you explain why the Yankees are " a disfunctional team" ? We are in 1st every year. Quit making **** up.

You want to talk about disfunctional? Look no further than the sox teams over the past few seasons. players who didnt like each other....boozing in the clubhouse, coaches getting fired. collapsing in truly horrifying fashion.

Morehead State
04-29-2013, 09:37 AM
Can you explain why the Yankees are " a disfunctional team" ? We are in 1st every year. Quit making **** up.

You want to talk about disfunctional? Look no further than the sox teams over the past few seasons. players who didnt like each other....boozing in the clubhouse, coaches getting fired. collapsing in truly horrifying fashion.
Oh Yeah?????

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 09:41 AM
Oh Yeah?????

http://thearchnemesis.com/images/Koolaid man Oh yeah.jpg

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 10:16 AM
YAAAAOOOO how bout dem yanks, yoWas at the game Friday, got seats in the delta sky box or whatever. That place is amazing. Seats were great angle, could see into the yanks dugout and they were just a bit to the left of homeplate. Before the game mom was looking around and sees Paul Oneil standing in the announcers booth, it was like 30 ft from us, I turned around and Michael Kay stood up, we waved and they waved back. It was awesome. She wont stop talking about it. Her favorite Yank besides The Mick.

Great game too. Wonder what Girardis going to do with Phelps. Throw him in the rotation or keep him in long relief. Wouldnt be opposed to either with all these games being so close.

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 10:17 AM
Just wait for all the pre madonnas to come back and see how the chemistry of the team goes down the tubes.
I actually like the fact that the Yanks are doing well with a bunch of unknowns. The Sox are pretty much doing the same thing. But our team is on the field. Yours will be crawling back from the DL and when they come back, given all their salaries, they will displace all these kids who got them off to such a good start.
Then we will see the same, disfunctional team. That's when the fun will be over for Yankee fans.The same disfuntional team that only missed the playoffs once in alomst 20 years?

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 10:21 AM
6,5 safety yeeesss please. a young qb for Eli to groom. 2 olinemen. We have like 15 guys on Dline haha. good competition. JR did a FINE job once again.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 10:41 AM
Was at the game Friday, got seats in the delta sky box or whatever. That place is amazing. Seats were great angle, could see into the yanks dugout and they were just a bit to the left of homeplate. Before the game mom was looking around and sees Paul Oneil standing in the announcers booth, it was like 30 ft from us, I turned around and Michael Kay stood up, we waved and they waved back. It was awesome. She wont stop talking about it. Her favorite Yank besides The Mick.

Great game too. Wonder what Girardis going to do with Phelps. Throw him in the rotation or keep him in long relief. Wouldnt be opposed to either with all these games being so close.

Nice. I dont know all the seat names. I got Legends seats behind home plate the week before last for the arizona series. it was ****ing awesome!!

Initial notes said Phelps would start for the time being.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 10:44 AM
6,5 safety yeeesss please. a young qb for Eli to groom. 2 olinemen. We have like 15 guys on Dline haha. good competition. JR did a FINE job once again.

I don't think they'll keep Nassib long term. It'd be a strange idea. I mean, if we were coming down the stretch of Eli's career, it'd be genius, but...the guy still has like 7-8 years left lol. We'll see what happens. Maybe he's a trade chip?

I liked the rest of the draft too. I would have liked to have seen a LB and Corner early on, but whatever...

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 10:47 AM
I don't think they'll keep Nassib long term. It'd be a strange idea. I mean, if we were coming down the stretch of Eli's career, it'd be genius, but...the guy still has like 7-8 years left lol. We'll see what happens. Maybe he's a trade chip?

I liked the rest of the draft too. I would have liked to have seen a LB and Corner early on, but whatever...I think well be alright at linebacker. I herd theyre trying to get boley back. Rivers, Boley, and Williams isnt terrible. All have decent speed. Always have time to bring someone else in as well.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 11:04 AM
I think well be alright at linebacker. I herd theyre trying to get boley back. Rivers, Boley, and Williams isnt terrible. All have decent speed. Always have time to bring someone else in as well.

I'd feel much more comfortable if Boley were back. Adding someone after cuts would help also.

MattMeyerBud
04-29-2013, 12:21 PM
6,5 safety yeeesss please. a young qb for Eli to groom. 2 olinemen. We have like 15 guys on Dline haha. good competition. JR did a FINE job once again.

dude runs a 4.5 too.

Met Weatherford yesterday, said it was a boring draft by Reese but he got the talent

MattMeyerBud
04-29-2013, 12:22 PM
I'd feel much more comfortable if Boley were back. Adding someone after cuts would help also.

Boley blows

MattMeyerBud
04-29-2013, 12:22 PM
I think well be alright at linebacker. I herd theyre trying to get boley back. Rivers, Boley, and Williams isnt terrible. All have decent speed. Always have time to bring someone else in as well.

GIMME DANSBY

Buffalo drafted a LBer, its after the draft so his contract will be ****

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 12:54 PM
GIMME DANSBY

Buffalo drafted a LBer, its after the draft so his contract will be ****

I'd LOVE Dansby. I remember you and I (im sure there were a ton of other people) were pretty adamant about acquiring him when he left AZ. Instead we got rolle =\

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 01:43 PM
dude runs a 4.5 too.

Met Weatherford yesterday, said it was a boring draft by Reese but he got the talentSick.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 02:02 PM
dude runs a 4.5 too.

Met Weatherford yesterday, said it was a boring draft by Reese but he got the talent

yea i saw the photo, pretty awesome

ny06
04-29-2013, 02:07 PM
6,5 safety yeeesss please. a young qb for Eli to groom. 2 olinemen. We have like 15 guys on Dline haha. good competition. JR did a FINE job once again.
That safety is going to have to show something on special teams to make the team.
Brown and Rolle are the starters, with Hill as the 3rd safety. Watch out for Hill this season, guy is a solid player.
Then you have Mundy and Sash, two good special team players. And can't forget T.T which he may not even make it out of Training camp, but I believe they will see what he can do at safety.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 02:14 PM
That safety is going to have to show something on special teams to make the team.
Brown and Rolle are the starters, with Hill as the 3rd safety. Watch out for Hill this season, guy is a solid player.
Then you have Mundy and Sash, two good special team players. And can't forget T.T which he may not even make it out of Training camp, but I believe they will see what he can do at safety.

I like Sash on ST. idk anything about Mundy, so I say scrap him lol.

Cant wait to get rid of thomas.....one day.... =\

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 02:20 PM
http://www.giants.com/media-vault/videos/Tom-Coughlin-on-2013-Draft/47f87a69-c125-4263-9687-0e7e913a8d69

"BPA, BPA, BPA."

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 02:34 PM
I was just surfing around some yahoo articles, and i was just reviewing all the guys currently listed on the giants roster. and then i looked at the depth chart.

they already have Pugh there at RT(brewer backup), and slid Diehl back to backup LT lol

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 02:37 PM
I also keep forgetting we signed Cullen Jenkins.

We have an abundance of depth there currently. they are going to send some people home sad. lol

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 03:43 PM
I think the Giants just like photogenic backup QBs for the TV footage. lol....that's the only kind of competition the Gmen want apparently haha

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 03:55 PM
I also keep forgetting we signed Cullen Jenkins.

We have an abundance of depth there currently. they are going to send some people home sad. lolIts all up to the front 4. We live and die by it.

JPizzack
04-29-2013, 04:03 PM
Its all up to the front 4. We live and die by it.

we shouldnt DIE by it. you arent taking out the QB or RB on every play. You need playmakers at all levels of the field.

dezzzR
04-29-2013, 04:35 PM
we shouldnt DIE by it. you arent taking out the QB or RB on every play. You need playmakers at all levels of the field. Everything happens from the backfield. If you can get pressure, you have the best chance of success vs the O.
And we need to blitz like the last game of the season vs the Eagles.

Morehead State
04-29-2013, 05:24 PM
we shouldnt DIE by it. you arent taking out the QB or RB on every play. You need playmakers at all levels of the field.
I hate to say it but Dez is essentially right.
Without an ability to disrupt the QB with today's rules, it doesn't matter who you have back there. NFL QB's will tear you apart since you can't reroute WR's, hit them after the catch it and there is about 1 square foot on the player where you can hit them at all.
We saw what happened to SF's defense when they neutralized their pass rush. They got torn up by Joe Flacco.
You either get to the QB or you get scored on. Its that simple.
And on offense, you better protect the QB because you have to score and score a lot or you lose.

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 08:42 AM
I find this all hilarious

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--why-did-the-jets-want-tim-tebow-in-the-first-place--152540803.html

this is my favorite part:

"It's as if the Jets traded for him for the publicity – to be the talk of the town after their stadium partner – the Giants – won the 2012 Super Bowl. Why else would they get him? Why else would they waste a fourth-round pick?"

lmao....

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 08:51 AM
lmao

"Now the Jets are rid of Tebow, replacing one quarterback quandary with another – a four-way fight between Sanchez, Geno Smith, David Garrard and Greg McElroy. It's a battle with no clear winner, just more confusion, more chaos, more upheaval"

dezzzR
04-30-2013, 10:03 AM
I find this all hilarious

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--why-did-the-jets-want-tim-tebow-in-the-first-place--152540803.html

this is my favorite part:

"It's as if the Jets traded for him for the publicity – to be the talk of the town after their stadium partner – the Giants – won the 2012 Super Bowl. Why else would they get him? Why else would they waste a fourth-round pick?"

lmao....Thats exactly why they did it. No one will convince me other wise. I was saying that last year.

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 10:18 AM
Thats exactly why they did it. No one will convince me other wise. I was saying that last year.

I really had no opinion on it other than it was stupid to waste a 4th rounder on tebow regardless of his role. he's so awful

read the article, its good

Morehead State
04-30-2013, 10:33 AM
lmao

"Now the Jets are rid of Tebow, replacing one quarterback quandary with another a four-way fight between Sanchez, Geno Smith, David Garrard and Greg McElroy. It's a battle with no clear winner, just more confusion, more chaos, more upheaval"
Not really.
They will get it sorted out. It will probably be either Garrard as the starter and Geno in training, or Geno as the starter with Garrard being the teacher.

I think Sanchez's days are numbered in NY. He'll take his $8MM and go be a back up somewhere.
The new regime can't be blamed for past errors. The fact that they drafted Geno, with the clear intention of moving past Sanchez, shows they actually have a clue.

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 10:39 AM
Not really.
They will get it sorted out. It will probably be either Garrard as the starter and Geno in training, or Geno as the starter with Garrard being the teacher.

I think Sanchez's days are numbered in NY. He'll take his $8MM and go be a back up somewhere.
The new regime can't be blamed for past errors. The fact that they drafted Geno, with the clear intention of moving past Sanchez, shows they actually have a clue.

the so-called "new regime" is 1 guy. the GM.

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 10:42 AM
anyway....i dont care either way. the jets are boring, played out publicity wh0res. I love watching them fall apart. it's hilarious lol

Morehead State
04-30-2013, 10:42 AM
the so-called "new regime" is 1 guy. the GM.
And he's off to a good start. The GM calls the shots. I don't blame them at all for keeping Rex. The guy is a good coach. I have a suspicion that he won't be as big a talker anymore.

Imgrate
04-30-2013, 10:43 AM
the so-called "new regime" is 1 guy. the GM.

New OC too

Morehead State
04-30-2013, 10:58 AM
New OC too
I guess I don't have the resentment or hate or whatever it is, for the Jets. There is no doubt that they have been a bit of a clown show since Rex got there, but they also got to 2 AFC championship games with a rookie and/or a 2nd year, crappy QB. There is no doubt that Rex can coach and players will play hard for him. He just has a big mouth. When our QB was a rookie he stunk up the place. When Sanchez was a rookie they won 2 playoff games.

The Jets will reel in this stuff. drafting Geno and clearly moving past Sanchez is one indication. Releasing Tebow (who didn't deserve any of this) is another. They also had a nice draft.

Rudyy
04-30-2013, 11:11 AM
Guys, I'm a 15 year old who is a troll, that is all.

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 11:21 AM
Guys, I'm a 15 year old who is a troll, that is all.

Yes, but why are you telling us things we already know?

dezzzR
04-30-2013, 11:23 AM
I guess I don't have the resentment or hate or whatever it is, for the Jets. There is no doubt that they have been a bit of a clown show since Rex got there, but they also got to 2 AFC championship games with a rookie and/or a 2nd year, crappy QB. There is no doubt that Rex can coach and players will play hard for him. He just has a big mouth. When our QB was a rookie he stunk up the place. When Sanchez was a rookie they won 2 playoff games.

The Jets will reel in this stuff. drafting Geno and clearly moving past Sanchez is one indication. Releasing Tebow (who didn't deserve any of this) is another. They also had a nice draft.I think players bought into his bs the first two seasons, but now its worn thin. Theres no doubt hes a good coach but when you run your mouth as much as Rex and fall short, you tend to look like an idiot and right now thats what he looks like. The locker room from the front office has been a joke. The sign selfish players like Holmes(how they didnt can his *** after quitting on the last drive of the season to make the playoffs is......Im speechless), Scott, and Revis was never happy, and they make them team captains. They bring in a QB for publicity and that ruins the already shaky confidence of Sanchez. Their defense will always be stout with Rex but their offense isnt strong enough. I thought they had a terrible draft. They loaded up on defense with their two first round picks. Why not snag that TE from notre dame? If they are sticking with Sanchez, he likes his tightends. Try and get another wr for whoever the starting QB is.

Rudyy
04-30-2013, 11:25 AM
Yes, but why are you telling us things we already know?Idk, reassurance.

dezzzR
04-30-2013, 11:26 AM
And that DT they picked up isnt big enough to be a nose tackle.

Imgrate
04-30-2013, 11:36 AM
Shots fired in TAGF

Imgrate
04-30-2013, 11:37 AM
And that DT they picked up isnt big enough to be a nose tackle. well, he won't be playing nose tackle

JPizzack
04-30-2013, 11:38 AM
I think players bought into his bs the first two seasons, but now its worn thin. Theres no doubt hes a good coach but when you run your mouth as much as Rex and fall short, you tend to look like an idiot and right now thats what he looks like. The locker room from the front office has been a joke. The sign selfish players like Holmes(how they didnt can his *** after quitting on the last drive of the season to make the playoffs is......Im speechless), Scott, and Revis was never happy, and they make them team captains. They bring in a QB for publicity and that ruins the already shaky confidence of Sanchez. Their defense will always be stout with Rex but their offense isnt strong enough. I thought they had a terrible draft. They loaded up on defense with their two first round picks. Why not snag that TE from notre dame? If they are sticking with Sanchez, he likes his tightends. Try and get another wr for whoever the starting QB is.

Yea I'm not sure what MH is saying. Their draft was terrible. they took an injury risk to replace Revis, which i understand, but...i dont trust the guy. Like you said, the DT wont work in a 3-4, they are going to have a shaky QB competition, they didnt draft Eifert, which everyone thought was a no-brainer for the jets, and they added nothing notable on offense