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ShakeandBake
06-03-2013, 06:30 PM
Honestly, I don't even like Soprannos. The Wire was sooooo much better and at one point ran at the same time as Soprannos

How can you not like the sopranos? As far as the Wire is concerned though, I agree it was better.

ShakeandBake
06-03-2013, 06:39 PM
Awesome kid is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiMHTaUEaA

Nice improv

JPizzack
06-03-2013, 06:48 PM
How can you not like the sopranos? As far as the Wire is concerned though, I agree it was better.

I just said why lol. I felt it was always over the top and corny, sepcifically the acting.

byron
06-03-2013, 09:06 PM
I just said why lol. I felt it was always over the top and corny, sepcifically the acting. hell we don't have hpo I have seen some of that show in re-runs I couldn't get into it either....plus following weekly shows is a pain I forget to much...

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 08:33 AM
hell we don't have hpo I have seen some of that show in re-runs I couldn't get into it either....plus following weekly shows is a pain I forget to much...

lol, i feel the same way. I feel like without the 60 second long recaps before every episode of any show, i wouldn't remember anything

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 09:08 AM
Deacon Jones died this morning.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 09:23 AM
Deacon Jones died this morning.

ahh man, that sucks =\

Moke
06-04-2013, 09:24 AM
I have to try and find time to watch the Wire

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 09:33 AM
I have to try and find time to watch the Wire

its a long series, so yea it does take alot of time lol

Moke
06-04-2013, 09:37 AM
its a long series, so yea it does take alot of time lol

I watched Lost a few years back, that was actually a really long series as well. Not sure how much in comparison to the Wire though.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 09:40 AM
I watched Lost a few years back, that was actually a really long series as well. Not sure how much in comparison to the Wire though.

I watched all of LOST also, i kinda miss it sometimes.

The Wire is longer per episode by about 10 mins since it was an HBO show. Less seasons though

Moke
06-04-2013, 09:45 AM
I watched all of LOST also, i kinda miss it sometimes.

The Wire is longer per episode by about 10 mins since it was an HBO show. Less seasons though

I see, no doubt. I have to check that out once I get internet at home.

Lost was awesome. I actually loved the ending, I was okay with it.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 09:49 AM
I see, no doubt. I have to check that out once I get internet at home.

Lost was awesome. I actually loved the ending, I was okay with it.

I might be in the minority in this, but i didnt care about the ending of lost. it already told so many damn stories, so at that point i was like...."ooooook lets wrap this ***** up, i dont care about who jacob the smoke monster island man in black person thing is. Seriously, give me an ending". lol

Moke
06-04-2013, 10:11 AM
I might be in the minority in this, but i didnt care about the ending of lost. it already told so many damn stories, so at that point i was like...."ooooook lets wrap this ***** up, i dont care about who jacob the smoke monster island man in black person thing is. Seriously, give me an ending". lol

Kind of seems like the same way I felt actually. It was pretty long, so it had that affect

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 10:29 AM
Kind of seems like the same way I felt actually. It was pretty long, so it had that affect

yea i think alot of "superfans" were pissed off about the ending leaving too many questions....but honestly.....BIGGEST TELEVISION STORY BOARD OF ALL TIME!!!!! what did you expect? 110% perfection?

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 11:58 AM
Gonna be a loooong season if JPPs back is really ****ed up

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:06 PM
Wine is fine, liquor is quicker.

and candy is dandy

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:07 PM
Nothing like sitting on the deck with my lovely bride with the fountain going, the birds chirping and a glass of wine.
You need to appreciate life's simple pleasures Pizzlestick.
This is why you can't get a girl to take off her clothes for you.

LMBO

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:08 PM
Real men don't go for layups.

if they are status available - yes they do

they take layups and slam dunks while also workin on their jumpshot for three point and half court shots...

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:09 PM
The funniest thing about this is he has been quoted as to saying "he's interested in doing a show" than after that "I am not interested in a reality show" ah Victor which one is it? My opinion is he wants to do a show and wants to make as much money off his name as he can. Maybe he should do some research and see how reality shows faired for other athletes. If he does his homework he will see they always end up as a failure. And don't get me started with his acting in his commercials, memo to Victor stick to your day job and work on your dropped passes.
I have given Cruz enough rope for the past few months in regards to his contract that he has hung me from a skyscraper.

the translation could be lost in what the show actually is, in all reality...

but yea it is annoying

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:10 PM
Well, come on... if you're helping a girl sympathize, wouldn't it make sense that girl might dig you? It's like taking advantage. Not like I would do it, but people probably would...... Like Jpizzack

lol...

YOUR A WHITE KNIGHT!!!!

hahahaha

No, the whole sympathy angle throws you in the friendzone... game is what gets you in the endzone

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
The Pizz is the nicest guy you know, whether you realize it yet or not.

oh my god

that was a very pappy-like post by you

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
The Pizz? .....Christ......
Whats worse, Matt still using hash tags or Pizz calling himself The Pizz?

#seeyouatthegame

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
if they are status available - yes they do

they take layups and slam dunks while also workin on their jumpshot for three point and half court shots...
I guess when your Pizz and you constantly throw up a bunch of bricks................

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:12 PM
btw, **** hastags. it's the most obnoxious thing to ever happen to the internet. but, I guess matt has that #YOLO#SWAG#420JESUS#STYLE yo...idk

#comeoriginal

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:13 PM
@StevenPrigge: "The Sopranos" was chosen as the best-written TV series of all time by the WGA: http://t.co/WoevYDz2Py

goddamn right

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:14 PM
Honestly, I don't even like Soprannos. The Wire was sooooo much better and at one point ran at the same time as Soprannos

ur a mutt for saying that

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:14 PM
Don't think I would disagree with that.
The Sopranos was brilliant on so many levels.

it really was.

Blondie never saw it so we watched it all pretty much back to back

And all the little thing you missed of how it was pieced together was ****ing awesome

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:14 PM
The Cosby Show should be top ten...

...said no one ever

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:15 PM
yea at 8. Iv been catching them here and there as well.
I wasnt crazy about the last episode.

the more you get the little hints, the last episode was ****in awesome

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:15 PM
I honestly wouldn't even put Soprannos in the top 5 on HBO's series in terms of writing, let alone all-time top 5....soprannos was too corny and over the top for me.

yea but Buffy is in your top 5, so who cares what ur opinion is

#throwbackjoke

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 12:16 PM
I always know its time for lunch when Matt strings a crapload of posts together.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:16 PM
I just said why lol. I felt it was always over the top and corny, sepcifically the acting.

lol you haven't hung out in jersey enough

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:16 PM
I might be in the minority in this, but i didnt care about the ending of lost. it already told so many damn stories, so at that point i was like...."ooooook lets wrap this ***** up, i dont care about who jacob the smoke monster island man in black person thing is. Seriously, give me an ending". lol

anything that has a "smoke monster" u can count me out for

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:17 PM
I guess when your Pizz and you constantly throw up a bunch of bricks................


its a numbers game pappy, he ain't lookin to get married. They go in everyonce in a while

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:18 PM
I always know its time for lunch when Matt strings a crapload of posts together.

lol this is my only time on here, I make it count

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 12:20 PM
its a numbers game pappy, he ain't lookin to get married. They go in everyonce in a while
I'm an old school guy Matt.
A little meaning in Pizz's life might make him tolerable.






Well maybe not.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:21 PM
I'm an old school guy Matt.
A little meaning in Pizz's life might make him tolerable.






Well maybe not.


ohhh I don't want to hear it pappy...

unless u were one of the guys that tried to marry every one night stand u had

EDIT: and yes, Pizz is a lost cause

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 12:21 PM
lol this is my only time on here, I make it count
Its like the Pavlovian Dog thing....I see your posts and my stomach starts to growl.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 12:22 PM
ohhh I don't want to hear it pappy...

unless u were one of the guys that tried to marry every one night stand u had

EDIT: and yes, Pizz is a lost cause

Believe it or not (and its hard because I have always had movie star looks) I've never had one of those.

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 12:25 PM
the more you get the little hints, the last episode was ****in awesomeI wanted to know what happened. He probably died. But at the same time he saw it coming, why would he just sit there with his family?

Killer song though "Dont stop, beeelievin"

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:26 PM
Believe it or not (and its hard because I have always had movie star looks) I've never had one of those.

then you have no basis to speak on it.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:28 PM
the more you get the little hints, the last episode was ****in awesomeI wanted to know what happened. He probably died. But at the same time he saw it coming, why would he just sit there with his family?

Killer song though "Dont stop, beeelievin"

na he died...

there was a whole monologue between him and Sil when Sil was out to dinner and the guy he was with got shot.

He talked about how he didn't even hear it happen and it happened right by him.

Then when him and Bobby were out on the lake in the boat they were talking about how they think death would be and bobby said I bet you don't hear anything and everything just goes black....

that's how the show ended, there was about 10 second of Black before credits rolled. That was to signify that he died. Which I prefer, I mean NOT seeing it is what made it great.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:29 PM
Its like the Pavlovian Dog thing....I see your posts and my stomach starts to growl.

I have no idea what that is

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 12:40 PM
yea but Buffy is in your top 5, so who cares what ur opinion is

#throwbackjoke

lmao just cuz i liked it doesnt mean i thought it was some genius show lol

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 12:44 PM
its a numbers game pappy, he ain't lookin to get married. They go in everyonce in a while

never thought I'd say this...............but Matt gets me...haha.

Just because I don't LOOK for my future wife, doesnt necessarily mean I won't eventually meet her in the process. And like I said yesterday, the girl you guys lambasted me for getting this weekend, i actually like her, and kinda wanna keep her around. So, take that for what it's worth.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 12:44 PM
A little meaning in Pizz's life might make him tolerable.


lol wtf does this even mean?!?!?!

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 12:48 PM
lol wtf does this even mean?!?!?!If you have a gf you might be more tolerable

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 12:49 PM
If you have a gf you might be more tolerable

so what's been your excuse?! lololololololololol

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 12:55 PM
...said no one everExcept you just quoted me saying that.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 12:55 PM
so what's been your excuse?! lololololololololollmao

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 12:56 PM
hi idiots

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 12:59 PM
so what's been your excuse?! lololololololololol

#burn

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:02 PM
Buffy is a top 5 show? That sounds totally gay

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:03 PM
The Cosby show? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:05 PM
The Cosby show? Are you ****ing kidding me?I've bet you haven't even watched it.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:05 PM
...and if anyone wants to know where I got the idea for my name...

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 01:06 PM
Buffy is a top 5 show? That sounds totally gay

lol, running joke where Matt makes fun of me for watching the first 3 seasons of buffy....cuz i did in fact like them

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 01:06 PM
Buffy is a top 5 show? That sounds totally gayZander was comedy gold. definately deserved an emmy.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 01:06 PM
...and if anyone wants to know where I got the idea for my name...

Rudy Huxtable. got it.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 01:07 PM
Zander was comedy gold. definately deserved an emmy.

yea that dorky **** was funny sometimes man. My favorite was "Calvary is here!!!! Calvary is a frightened guy with a rock..........but it's here...."

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:08 PM
I've bet you haven't even watched it.

I have, it was funny but not top 50 shows of all time funny

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:08 PM
then you have no basis to speak on it.
Because its the way I have chosen to live my life. I've had opportunities but I'm not that easy.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:09 PM
...and if anyone wants to know where I got the idea for my name...
http://jrush91.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/rudy2.jpg

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
Rudy Huxtable. got it.CONGRATS, OMGZ

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
lol wtf does this even mean?!?!?!
The fact that you don't know pretty much validates my point.

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
Because its the way I have chosen to live my life. I've had opportunities but I'm not that easy.Not missing much.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
I have, it was funny but not top 50 shows of all time funnylol stop.

you probably thought Jackass was hilarious.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
CONGRATS, OMGZ
For the record I thought The Cosby show was great.

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
yea that dorky **** was funny sometimes man. My favorite was "Calvary is here!!!! Calvary is a frightened guy with a rock..........but it's here...."Yea i was messing with you. :o

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:10 PM
http://jrush91.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/rudy2.jpgGood guess, but no.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:11 PM
For the record I thought The Cosby show was great.And people hate you? HOW?!

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:11 PM
Not missing much.
I'm not missing anything. I've been happily married for 17 years.

I pity some of you fools who are out there. What a friggin nightmare it must be.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:13 PM
And people hate you? HOW?!
Just some robot Cultists on TAGF. And they don't count. I even had Thanksgiving Dinner with my ex-wife. (I really did)

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 01:14 PM
For the record I thought The Cosby show was great.

I agree....I feel like when I was a kid I may have seen every episode ever.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:14 PM
lol stop.

you probably thought Jackass was hilarious.

No, but I do think Trailer Park Boys is funnier than the Cosby Show, and their budget is next to nothing

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 01:14 PM
Good guess, but no.

once Moke, or whovever started calling you rudith, I figured it was a dead giveaway actually...lol

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:15 PM
lol, running joke where Matt makes fun of me for watching the first 3 seasons of buffy....cuz i did in fact like them

Lol'd dude, lold's

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:16 PM
Just some robot Cultists on TAGF. And they don't count. I even had Thanksgiving Dinner with my ex-wife. (I really did)Ok, let me run you through what just happened.

I spit out my orange juice when I read robot cutlists. It's probably not even meant to be that funny...but it was.

lol did you really? That must of been awkward..

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:16 PM
RUDITH. I agree, I watched a bit of the cosby show and liked it as well. **** was funny.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:16 PM
once Moke, or whovever started calling you rudith, I figured it was a dead giveaway actually...lolHahaha yeah.

Idk, she just ...I love her. The character.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:17 PM
RUDITH. I agree, I watched a bit of the cosby show and liked it as well. **** was funny.YO MOKE-MAN.

Same, It was my favorite tv show growing up (besides cartoons and ****).

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:17 PM
No, but I do think Trailer Park Boys is funnier than the Cosby Show, and their budget is next to nothingHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH AHAHHA

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:18 PM
Andd...really? Buffy is top 5? O_o

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:20 PM
YO MOKE-MAN.

Same, It was my favorite tv show growing up (besides cartoons and ****).

I watched a lot of stuff on Disney and Nickolodean, that's about it.

Cosby show I watched here and there.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:21 PM
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHA

You think the cosby show is top 50 ever................in the words of our friend, lmao rofl!

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:23 PM
Cosby was great for many reasons. But one reason is that, unlike almost every other show with African American characters, it didn't re-enforce the usual stereotypes to get cheap laughs.
It actually portrayed African American families in a positive light. Which was a life affirming experience for anyone who watched it. The show found humor in the human condition. Not cheap stereotypes.
Bill Cosby always got it with the example he has set.......for all of us.


Rant over.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:23 PM
You think the cosby show is top 50 ever................in the words of our friend, lmao rofl!I think The Cosby Show should be in the top 10. Easily.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:24 PM
You think the cosby show is top 50 ever................in the words of our friend, lmao rofl!
It was the number one rated show for years.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:26 PM
It was the number one rated show for years.

American Idol was the number one rated show for years too

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:26 PM
Cosby was great for many reasons. But one reason is that, unlike almost every other show with African American characters, it didn't re-enforce the usual stereotypes to get cheap laughs.
It actually portrayed African American families in a positive light. Which was a life affirming experience for anyone who watched it. The show found humor in the human condition. Not cheap stereotypes.
Bill Cosby always got it with the example he has set.......for all of us.


Rant over.Shakeandbake, please read this over and over.

Tyler Perry is an example of someone using stereotypes and sexism to get laughs. Almost all of his plays/movies are about a pity black woman raising a kid by herself, and looking for a man. Or she has a man, but he's a violent criminal of some sort.

The Cosby Show is refreshing.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:26 PM
American Idol was the number one rated show for years tooAre you comparing a talent show to The Cosby Show?

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Are you comparing a talent show to The Cosby Show?

I didn't bring up ratings

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:29 PM
American Idol was the number one rated show for years too
Go Google the many lists of the all time sitcoms. Cosby is high on every list.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Shakeandbake, please read this over and over.

Tyler Perry is an example of someone using stereotypes and sexism to get laughs. Almost all of his plays/movies are about a pity black woman raising a kid by herself, and looking for a man. Or she has a man, but he's a violent criminal of some sort.

The Cosby Show is refreshing.

I never said it was a bad show, I am a fan of the show actually, I just don't think it deserves a spot in the top 50 shows ever.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:30 PM
I didn't bring up ratingsSir, that did not answer my question.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:30 PM
Go Google the many lists of the all time sitcoms. Cosby is high on every list.

The list is all time television shows, not sitcoms exclusively

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:30 PM
I never said it was a bad show, I am a fan of the show actually, I just don't think it deserves a spot in the top 50 shows ever.I know, and how does it not deserve it?

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:31 PM
Sir, that did not answer my question.

Are they both television shows? I thought this list encompassed all TV shows, not just sitcoms.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:31 PM
The list is all time television shows, not sitcoms exclusivelyI would love to see the 50 shows better than the Cosbys.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:31 PM
Are they both television shows? I thought this list encompassed all TV shows, not just sitcoms.Regardless, it's definitely a top 50 show..

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:33 PM
Are they both television shows? I thought this list encompassed all TV shows, not just sitcoms.
The best TV show of all time was Hill Street Blues.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:34 PM
I know, and how does it not deserve it?

Even if we are talking about sitcoms, The Honeymooners, Seinfield, The Andy Griffith Show, All in the Family, Taxi, Cheers, Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm all are better(and that's just off the top of my head)

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:34 PM
I'm not sure what the best TV show of all time was for me...

I watched more movies and sports than I do TV shows..

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:35 PM
Even if we are talking about sitcoms, The Honeymooners, Seinfield, The Andy Griffith Show, All in the Family, Taxi, Cheers, Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm all are better(and that's just off the top of my head)Only 42 more to go!

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:38 PM
Only 42 more to go!

Those are just sitcoms Rudy. I know that I can find 50 shows that I personally like more than the Cosby show, but you will just disagree anyway so I'm not going to dig up 50 lol.

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:39 PM
Curb your enthusiasm is awesome.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:39 PM
Even if we are talking about sitcoms, The Honeymooners, Seinfield, The Andy Griffith Show, All in the Family, Taxi, Cheers, Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm all are better(and that's just off the top of my head)
No...Cosby was an all time great show. Its in the top 20 of all shows and easily top 10 in all sitcoms.

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:40 PM
American Idol sucks.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:40 PM
Those are just sitcoms Rudy. I know that I can find 50 shows that I personally like more than the Cosby show, but you will just disagree anyway so I'm not going to dig up 50 lol.Ball busting.

Anyway, I probably would considering my extreme bias toward the show.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:41 PM
12 week estimated recovery for JPP. That probably means 5 months for football.
He may not play this season......We'll see.......

Well maybe the 2nd half of the season.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:43 PM
American Idol sucks.

It does. I was just using that example to rebuke MH's top rated show argument.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:44 PM
12 week estimated recovery for JPP. That probably means 5 months for football.
He may not play this season......We'll see.......

Well maybe the 2nd half of the season.

Our defense is ****ed basically

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 01:45 PM
Ball busting.

Anyway, I probably would considering my extreme bias toward the show.

Best TV Character of all time?
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq5hybpdU31qi29iso1_400.jpg

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 01:50 PM
Best TV Character of all time?
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq5hybpdU31qi29iso1_400.jpgwithout a doubt.

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:50 PM
Who is that?

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:51 PM
Except you just quoted me saying that.

So is that why u call urself Rudy? From the Crosby show?

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 01:51 PM
12 week estimated recovery for JPP. That probably means 5 months for football.
He may not play this season......We'll see.......

Well maybe the 2nd half of the season.disheartening

Moke
06-04-2013, 01:52 PM
NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE CALLS HERSELF RUDITH

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:53 PM
So is that why u call urself Rudy? From the Crosby show?Yerp!!

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:53 PM
For the record I thought The Cosby show was great.

Not even top 10 in comedy of all time let alone of all shows.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 01:54 PM
Not even top 10 in comedy of all time let alone of all shows.lol girl bye.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:54 PM
Just some robot Cultists on TAGF. And they don't count. I even had Thanksgiving Dinner with my ex-wife. (I really did)

Really? The one you hate and ways call a ***** lol?

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:56 PM
Cosby was great for many reasons. But one reason is that, unlike almost every other show with African American characters, it didn't re-enforce the usual stereotypes to get cheap laughs.
It actually portrayed African American families in a positive light. Which was a life affirming experience for anyone who watched it. The show found humor in the human condition. Not cheap stereotypes.
Bill Cosby always got it with the example he has set.......for all of us.


Rant over.
While that's all true those things don't make it greatly entertaining.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:56 PM
American Idol was the number one rated show for years too

/game

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:58 PM
Really? The one you hate and ways call a ***** lol?
that's the one. My poor wife got to sit next to her. We're older now and we had dinner at my stepdaughter's house.
It actually went well. You gotta bury the hatchet some time.
But I'm telling you. Back in 95/96...it was really, really bad.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:58 PM
12 week estimated recovery for JPP. That probably means 5 months for football.
He may not play this season......We'll see.......

Well maybe the 2nd half of the season.


Bring in Abraham

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 01:59 PM
While that's all true those things don't make it greatly entertaining.
It was very funny. If its not your kind of humor, that's fine. (I admit there weren't that many farts and F bombs) But it was a very well written show.

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 01:59 PM
that's the one. My poor wife got to sit next to her. We're older now and we had dinner at my stepdaughter's house.
It actually went well. You gotta bury the hatchet some time.
But I'm telling you. Back in 95/96...it was really, really bad.

Lol wow.

Any weirdness?

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 02:00 PM
Bring in Abraham
Given that 12 week prediction (and that's not to get into football shape) I'm beginning to agree.

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 02:02 PM
Lol wow.

Any weirdness?

It went fine.
But back in the day??? Cops at my door, restraining orders, repossessed cars....... It was friggin bad.

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 02:02 PM
It went fine.
But back in the day??? Cops at my door, restraining orders, repossessed cars....... It was friggin bad.Did she remarry?

Morehead State
06-04-2013, 02:05 PM
Did she remarry?
Who'd marry her?

She's was a drunk for years and at her age it shows. She used to be a very attractive girl, but the years have not been kind. Too many late nights in bars.

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 02:06 PM
Who is that?

Go watch Deadwood you San Francisco ****sucker.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 02:11 PM
It went fine.But back in the day??? Cops at my door, restraining orders, repossessed cars....... It was friggin bad.omg...

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 02:12 PM
Who'd marry her?She's was a drunk for years and at her age it shows. She used to be a very attractive girl, but the years have not been kind. Too many late nights in bars.That's really sad.

Drez
06-04-2013, 02:21 PM
I agree....I feel like when I was a kid I may have seen every episode ever.The Cosby show I liked a lot more as a kid. It's still good, I just don't find it as good anymore.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 02:36 PM
The Cosby show I liked a lot more as a kid. It's still good, I just don't find it as good anymore.Did you start your new job yet?

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 02:55 PM
that's the one. My poor wife got to sit next to her. We're older now and we had dinner at my stepdaughter's house.
It actually went well. You gotta bury the hatchet some time.
But I'm telling you. Back in 95/96...it was really, really bad.

I'm glad it went well. My parents had a messy divorce in the mid 90s too, and whenever my dad is in town, we all kinda hang out with each other. people think its weird that my parents are "friends", but...idk....im glad there's actually more than just a tolerance of one another. my mother is a ****ing saint.....cuz my dad is a d-bag

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 02:56 PM
Go watch Deadwood you San Francisco ****sucker.

YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! I was wondering what picture was posted! (cant see, blocked at work)

Moke
06-04-2013, 02:59 PM
Go watch Deadwood you San Francisco ****sucker.

Yeah, I heard that was good. I gotta watch that too

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 03:00 PM
Yeah, I heard that was good. I gotta watch that too

Yeah that was one character's main line in case you were wondering why I called you a San Francisco ****sucker.

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:03 PM
Yeah that was one character's main line in case you were wondering why I called you a San Francisco ****sucker.

Yeah, I figured haha. I ain't from San Fran!

Drez
06-04-2013, 03:06 PM
Did you start your new job yet?Starting on the 16th... well, technically at least. I don't need to go in for orientation until the 17th. That'll be 2 days, so my first day of actual work will be the 19th. What's nice is that I'm starting at the beginning of a pay period, so they won't be holding back any pay. That means I'll just be going 1 week without a paycheck, instead of 2 or 3. I wonder if I can convince my old boss to give me my vacation pay for that week, lol.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 03:09 PM
Starting on the 16th... well, technically at least. I don't need to go in for orientation until the 17th. That'll be 2 days, so my first day of actual work will be the 19th. What's nice is that I'm starting at the beginning of a pay period, so they won't be holding back any pay. That means I'll just be going 1 week without a paycheck, instead of 2 or 3. I wonder if I can convince my old boss to give me my vacation pay for that week, lol.Ahh I see, that's awesome and lol you should do it.

JPizzack
06-04-2013, 03:11 PM
Yeah that was one character's main line in case you were wondering why I called you a San Francisco ****sucker.

actually, it was Woo's line TO one of the main characters =P

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:12 PM
Has anyone listened to "the xx"?

I don't know, but I enjoy them.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 03:15 PM
Has anyone listened to "the xx"?

I don't know, but I enjoy them.Never heard of them.

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:15 PM
Never heard of them.

Neither have I until I found them under related artists of Gotye

ShakeandBake
06-04-2013, 03:19 PM
actually, it was Woo's line TO one of the main characters =P

Wu was a main character!

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 03:20 PM
This still makes me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FKS1SHSsc

warning: language.

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:37 PM
I want to go home.... omg.

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 03:40 PM
I want to go home.... omg.Still at twerk? I mean work?

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:40 PM
Still at twerk? I mean work?

I'm at work. I'll be at twerk later

Rudyy
06-04-2013, 03:42 PM
I'm at work. I'll be at twerk laterOoh, okay ;)

Moke
06-04-2013, 03:44 PM
Ooh, okay ;)

LOL, in all seriousness though... It's such a nice day. I hope it holds up later. I might take a walk around the park or something.

I have like no internet at home so I'll be bored.

dezzzR
06-04-2013, 04:11 PM
actually, it was Woo's line TO one of the main characters =PWhooo?

MattMeyerBud
06-04-2013, 10:07 PM
I want to take TAGF back moorehead

Imgrate
06-05-2013, 09:09 AM
You want to know why I always stress taking valuable positions early on? The jpp injury shows why. You always need studs at pass rusher. One goes down and we have a bunch of scrubs to fill in for him.

Moke
06-05-2013, 09:19 AM
Still at twerk? I mean work?

I sure was twerkin last night

Morehead State
06-05-2013, 09:30 AM
I want to take TAGF back moorehead
If they stay away from Eli topics the dopes stay away.

MattMeyerBud
06-05-2013, 10:20 AM
If they stay away from Eli topics the dopes stay away.

Untrue, 420 is trying to argue with me that Seymour is a 4-3 defensive end

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 12:17 PM
what it do *****es and hoes?

MattMeyerBud
06-05-2013, 12:26 PM
what it do *****es and hoes?

little rudy huxtable doesn't talk like that

IMPOSTER!!!

Morehead State
06-05-2013, 01:05 PM
Untrue, 420 is trying to argue with me that Seymour is a 4-3 defensive end
I should have said....except 420.

gumby74
06-05-2013, 01:35 PM
Yawn

Moke
06-05-2013, 01:38 PM
Today, it's boring.

Man of Steel comes out soon!

gumby74
06-05-2013, 01:39 PM
Today, it's boring.

Man of Steel comes out soon!

I think last movie I saw at the theater was the last harry potter.

Moke
06-05-2013, 01:42 PM
I think last movie I saw at the theater was the last harry potter.

I don't want to miss out on Man of Steel. Looks awesome. Don't care about the money right NOW.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 02:16 PM
I think last movie I saw at the theater was the last harry potter.Do you like Harry Potter? Please say you like Harry Potter...

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 02:17 PM
little rudy huxtable doesn't talk like thatIMPOSTER!!!You caught me

Moke
06-05-2013, 02:20 PM
Do you like Harry Potter? Please say you like Harry Potter...

Harry Potter sucks.

Just kidding.

You know I like HP.

gumby74
06-05-2013, 02:29 PM
Do you like Harry Potter? Please say you like Harry Potter...

Ridiculous. Of course I like Harry Potter. HP is awesome.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 02:32 PM
I should have said....except 420.

The guy is a raving lunatic

Moke
06-05-2013, 02:37 PM
Ridiculous. Of course I like Harry Potter. HP is awesome.

Awesome. This guy is awesome.

Morehead State
06-05-2013, 03:06 PM
The guy is a raving lunatic
He has some "issues".
Possibly Napoleonic.
I see him as 5' 2"" in his high heels. Just seems like the type.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 03:14 PM
He has some "issues".
Possibly Napoleonic.
I see him as 5' 2"" in his high heels. Just seems like the type.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSY_mVYl7cli9nWlqac_q9o4Kjk5HOQ hSQ6ljsByiEljvg0Be3

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 03:15 PM
Ridiculous. Of course I like Harry Potter. HP is awesome.I love you..like, a lot.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 03:15 PM
The guy is a raving lunaticHe sucks

Moke
06-05-2013, 03:17 PM
I love you..like, a lot.

Hey, save some for our twerk later.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 04:20 PM
Hey, save some for our twerk later.You know it ;)

Drez
06-05-2013, 04:50 PM
He sucksI remember a time when he was only slightly crazy. Or at least a little better at masking how nuts he was. Save for the whole Steve Smith Facebooking him thing, lol.

Drez
06-05-2013, 04:53 PM
Do you like Harry Potter? Please say you like Harry Potter...How can you not like Harry Potter? It's like the little kid version of GoT.

Moke
06-05-2013, 04:54 PM
You know it ;)

LOLs! I'm actually in the mood to twerk, whatever the **** that means.

I just wanna know I'll be twerkin.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:07 PM
How can you not like Harry Potter? It's like the little kid version of GoT.I love you too.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:08 PM
LOLs! I'm actually in the mood to twerk, whatever the **** that means.I just wanna know I'll be twerkin.lmfao search "twerk" in Youtube.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:09 PM
I remember a time when he was only slightly crazy. Or at least a little better at masking how nuts he was. Save for the whole Steve Smith Facebooking him thing, lol.LOL HE SAID ONCE HE WAS AN ENGLISH PROFESSOR HAHhaha liar.

Drez
06-05-2013, 05:15 PM
LOL HE SAID ONCE HE WAS AN ENGLISH PROFESSOR HAHhaha liar.I don't remember him saying that. I do remember him saying that he had a degree in Education to teach English.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:16 PM
I don't remember him saying that. I do remember him saying that he had a degree in Education to teach English.Oh, yeah that too..ANYWAY HhahahahahhHh

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 05:25 PM
Oh, yeah that too..ANYWAY HhahahahahhHh

He said today that he was once a "very good" athlete as well. This guy can do it all!

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:31 PM
He said today that he was once a "very good" athlete as well. This guy can do it all!Oh please...

Drez
06-05-2013, 05:37 PM
Oh please...I don't think I'm going to say anymore about him. Honestly, I'd like to stay above the petty name calling and talking about someone behind their back (not that I ever have had a problem saying something to someone's face, lol). I guess I'm working on being an adult for once, hahaha.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 05:40 PM
I don't think I'm going to say anymore about him. Honestly, I'd like to stay above the petty name calling and talking about someone behind their back (not that I ever have had a problem saying something to someone's face, lol). I guess I'm working on being an adult for once, hahaha.I'll say whatever I want about him because he sucks. And if I wouldn't get banned for it, I'd tell him that a thousand times.

Drez
06-05-2013, 05:48 PM
I'll say whatever I want about him because he sucks. And if I wouldn't get banned for it, I'd tell him that a thousand times.lol

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 05:55 PM
He probably reads through every one of these posts and has all of the ones about him saved "for evidence" anyway.

Drez
06-05-2013, 06:05 PM
He probably reads through every one of these posts and has all of the ones about him saved "for evidence" anyway.That wouldn't surprise me, actually.

Drez
06-05-2013, 06:06 PM
Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use Twitter?

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 06:07 PM
He probably reads through every one of these posts and has all of the ones about him saved "for evidence" anyway.He is so in love with evidence "i have evidence of personal attacks". Alright 420 lmao.

Drez
06-05-2013, 06:16 PM
Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use Twitter?

Because he killed all 140 characters.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 06:20 PM
Because he killed all 140 characters.

I wonder what the reaction is going to be after next week

Drez
06-05-2013, 06:40 PM
I wonder what the reaction is going to be after next weekI haven't watched the show, but the Red Wedding was this past week's episode. Trying to remember what would happen in the following episode.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 08:37 PM
I haven't watched the show, but the Red Wedding was this past week's episode. Trying to remember what would happen in the following episode.

Well they haven't been following the books too closely this season as far as chronological order is concerned(if I remember the books correctly). Its another huge event in the books, and I can't really say more without giving anything away.

Drez
06-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Well they haven't been following the books too closely this season as far as chronological order is concerned(if I remember the books correctly). Its another huge event in the books, and I can't really say more without giving anything away.I think I know what you're talking about now. I'd think they'd save that for next season, no?

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 08:53 PM
I think I know what you're talking about now. I'd think they'd save that for next season, no?

Maybe, but I don't know how the finale could top last week otherwise.

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 09:00 PM
Morehead, finally checked out your song. Was awesome.

Not that youre trying to sound like anyone, but it immediately reminded me of CC Adc0ck and the Lafayette Marquis, who I'm a fan of. the swamp blues!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA3acvURTtk

this song specifically

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 09:02 PM
Well they haven't been following the books too closely this season as far as chronological order is concerned(if I remember the books correctly). Its another huge event in the books, and I can't really say more without giving anything away.

i stopped reading the books cuz i wanted to see it actually all play out. But my buddy who read the books as they came out said that when he read The Red Wedding that he was so freaked out that he had to go outside and smoke a few cigarettes >.>

Drez
06-05-2013, 09:13 PM
Maybe, but I don't know how the finale could top last week otherwise.I'm actually extremely surprised the Red Wedding wasn't the finale.

Drez
06-05-2013, 09:15 PM
i stopped reading the books cuz i wanted to see it actually all play out. But my buddy who read the books as they came out said that when he read The Red Wedding that he was so freaked out that he had to go outside and smoke a few cigarettes >.>Yeah, dude. It was a total mind**** while reading it. Martin has said that writing that part was so difficult for him emotionally, that he had to finish the book and write it last.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 09:18 PM
I'm actually extremely surprised the Red Wedding wasn't the finale.

Yeah they would lose a big chunk of their audience if they left season 3 off on that note

Drez
06-05-2013, 09:23 PM
Yeah they would lose a big chunk of their audience if they left season 3 off on that noteNo way. Especially if they ended it right as it started, so they left everyone wondering what happened. I suppose it's harder to have a cliffhanger like that since the books are out.

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 09:34 PM
No way. Especially if they ended it right as it started, so they left everyone wondering what happened. I suppose it's harder to have a cliffhanger like that since the books are out.

People who haven't read the books were pretty pissed about the last episode, I still think if they left off with that some people wouldn't watch anymore. For the finale though, I think another thing big needs to happen, but I don't expect anyone to be caught with their pants down like Robb was at the Red Wedding.

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 09:51 PM
People who haven't read the books were pretty pissed about the last episode, I still think if they left off with that some people wouldn't watch anymore. For the finale though, I think another thing big needs to happen, but I don't expect anyone to be caught with their pants down like Robb was at the Red Wedding.

I'm not pissed about it.....I just am upset with whats left with that house lol. i dont wanna say too much so i dont ruin it for someone....but basically i dont like the other characters...if that makes sense

ShakeandBake
06-05-2013, 09:57 PM
I'm not pissed about it.....I just am upset with whats left with that house lol. i dont wanna say too much so i dont ruin it for someone....but basically i dont like the other characters...if that makes sense

Yeah I hear ya, at least they still have Jon left

Drez
06-05-2013, 10:11 PM
I'm not pissed about it.....I just am upset with whats left with that house lol. i dont wanna say too much so i dont ruin it for someone....but basically i dont like the other characters...if that makes senseHow can you not love Arya?

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:23 PM
How can you not love Arya?

because she tried to be tough, but all she is, is a whiny little child who tries to act tough. We had a name for that growing up, "the kids who got their asses kicked" lol

Drez
06-05-2013, 10:27 PM
because she tried to be tough, but all she is, is a whiny little child who tries to act tough. We had a name for that growing up, "the kids who got their asses kicked" lolYou have no idea. Not yet, at least.

Drez
06-05-2013, 10:30 PM
You have no idea. Not yet, at least.And cut her some slack, she's 10 or 11.

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:37 PM
And cut her some slack, she's 10 or 11.

problem is....ive already kinda lost interest. that happens to me when i read and watch shows.

2 shows that come to mind....Dexter and Walking Dead. Watched them from the beginning. Once they stopped being "shocking" because i came to expect everyhting, I stopped caring. I also stop caring when people dont stfu about something lol

Drez
06-05-2013, 10:37 PM
problem is....ive already kinda lost interest. that happens to me when i read and watch shows.

2 shows that come to mind....Dexter and Walking Dead. Watched them from the beginning. Once they stopped being "shocking" because i came to expect everyhting, I stopped caring. I also stop caring when people dont stfu about something lollol

gumby74
06-05-2013, 10:43 PM
I'll say whatever I want about him because he sucks. And if I wouldn't get banned for it, I'd tell him that a thousand times.

Haha. I think this board needs a personality like him though. It keeps things interesting. But yeah. That dude is .... damn.

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:44 PM
btw, i didnt mean i lost interest in GoT.....I just meant ive lost interest in certain characters.

Morehead State
06-05-2013, 10:46 PM
Morehead, finally checked out your song. Was awesome.

Not that youre trying to sound like anyone, but it immediately reminded me of CC Adc0ck and the Lafayette Marquis, who I'm a fan of. the swamp blues!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA3acvURTtk

this song specifically

Holy crap Pizz!!
Thanks a lot!

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:50 PM
Holy crap Pizz!!
Thanks a lot!

what, ya think id rag on it just because? lol

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 10:51 PM
what, ya think id rag on it just because? lolYes, actually. Lol

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:53 PM
Yes, actually. Lol

sounds like something you would do.

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 10:53 PM
sounds like something you would do.If it were your song maybe.

JPizzack
06-05-2013, 10:54 PM
If it were your song maybe.

i dont record music. what, you think this **** is for free?!?!!?

Rudyy
06-05-2013, 10:56 PM
i dont record music. what, you think this **** is for free?!?!!?hahahaha

Drez
06-05-2013, 11:16 PM
btw, i didnt mean i lost interest in GoT.....I just meant ive lost interest in certain characters.Arya is definitely more engaging in the books. They changed her story up a fair amount in the show. And also, in the show you don't get to see quite as much of her psychology. A good deal of her PoV chapters she's alone, or mostly so. Like in the first book, there's a fair amount of time before she flees the Red Keep and when she leaves King's Landing with Yoren and you get to see how she had to survive on the streets for that time. Her time at Harrenhal is also completely different in the books than it was in the show. In the books, Harrenhal was originally given to a sellsword group nicknamed the Bloody Mummers. Arya actually helps overthrow them, which allows Roose Bolton to take control (though with the events of the Red Wedding, his being loyal to the North at the time may be suspect). So, for her to kill a guardsman to get out was a lot more meaningful, as it was one of her House's bannermen that she had to kill.

Moke
06-06-2013, 09:27 AM
WHEN IS FOOTBALL SEASON START ALREADY?!??!?!

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 10:00 AM
WHEN IS FOOTBALL SEASON START ALREADY?!??!?!

ENGLISH, MOTHA****A!! DO YA SPEAK IT?!

dezzzR
06-06-2013, 12:48 PM
Stop killing threads pizz

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 01:12 PM
it's not like anyone was ever here to notice, so....clearly not my problem.

Moke
06-06-2013, 01:14 PM
ENGLISH, MOTHA****A!! DO YA SPEAK IT?!


THE POINT WASN'T NOT TO SPEAKEN ENGLISH

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 01:24 PM
You hurt my head.....

Moke
06-06-2013, 01:32 PM
http://www.nohope.org/uploads/post-42-0-61201700-1367508754.jpg

ShakeandBake
06-06-2013, 01:44 PM
http://www.nohope.org/uploads/post-42-0-61201700-1367508754.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdh32c2UHP62BDooT0eTOJhzktFCc38 m-Zg3d24wyUKTK-K-Rd

Rudyy
06-06-2013, 01:57 PM
Got a volunteering job, working with disabled children.

Moke
06-06-2013, 01:59 PM
Got a volunteering job, working with disabled children.

Nice

Rudyy
06-06-2013, 02:22 PM
http://www.nohope.org/uploads/post-42-0-61201700-1367508754.jpgMe everyday.

Moke
06-06-2013, 02:41 PM
Me everyday.

Same... at work LOL


I'm like, please don't poop fast... I have to play games.

dezzzR
06-06-2013, 02:56 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/7870_585565244821355_2143729241_n.jpg

Moke
06-06-2013, 03:01 PM
That's a huge *****

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 03:03 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/7870_585565244821355_2143729241_n.jpg

that's almost as old as the internet

Moke
06-06-2013, 03:05 PM
that's almost as old as the internet

JPG not found because older than interweb.

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 03:07 PM
JPG not found because older than interweb.

i hate when i break the internet. lol

Moke
06-06-2013, 03:09 PM
My coffee mug smells like cinnamon because I decided to be a jackass and try the cinnamon roll k-cup and it was absolutely disgusting. Must wash for next coffee.

JPizzack
06-06-2013, 03:18 PM
My coffee mug smells like cinnamon because I decided to be a jackass and try the cinnamon roll k-cup and it was absolutely disgusting. Must wash for next coffee.

cool story bro

I been trying to get a keurig here at my job for about 3 years....they just keep shooting me down. meanwhile the coffee we have access to(the only coffee we can order) is disgusting....and we spend money on other things we dont need lol

Moke
06-06-2013, 03:19 PM
cool story bro

I been trying to get a keurig here at my job for about 3 years....they just keep shooting me down. meanwhile the coffee we have access to(the only coffee we can order) is disgusting....and we spend money on other things we dont need lol

I am not a big fan of Keurig anyway, but I see what you mean

Moke
06-06-2013, 03:20 PM
We have the same issue with the water. They say the faucet is filtered but we don't believe it. We used to have the Poland Spring ****... and they don't want to get it agian.