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dezzzR
10-15-2013, 12:28 PM
I don't put much stock in what's being said in public - especially from Eli. It's the same canned answer every time. But for me, what makes it worse is that he's a stone. The dude has no emotion. Our team is lost. We have no identity. We used to have that when Eli was Eli. We knew that if the game was close, we had Mr. Clutch to help save it for us. We had big play ability. We lost all of that. We need someone to step up and take the reigns. It would be nice if Eli actually did something in that regard for once. When you lead by example, and you're not performing, what do you have? Nothing.

As outsiders, all we can do is speculate. Is he a leader? Is he not a leader? I don't know. But what is fact is that if we're to turn this thing around, it begins with Eli. If he's going to lead by example, play freaking better. If you're not going to play better, find some other way to contribute. Pretty much everyone has had something to say about this team - whether it's now white noise or not. Tuck, Rolle, hell even Beason. Eli hasn't said a damn word outside of what is politically correct.

I'm not saying he's not a leader. But I hope he's doing something behind the scenes.There was one presser this week where Eli look very frustrated and emotional. Ill see if I can find it. But really, Eli's personality and leadership skills are never called into question when were winning.
Tuck and Rolle talk more bull**** than the women on the View. Every week Rolle says we need to get mean or some crap. Then the first play they get gashed for hes the first one to slap the opposing player helmet or butt like hes on our ****ing team. THAT, pisses me off.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 12:33 PM
And another thing about TC staying. If he does....even if they convince him to fire both coordinators, we can only draw from position coaches and no current coordinators.

All coordinators were position coaches at some time....

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 12:34 PM
Do you honestly think TC is going to fire both coordinators. As I said, he had to be threatened by Mr. Mara just to fire Bill Sheridan.
The only way we will get new coordinators is by getting a new HC.

WELL.....if that's what it comes down to, sounds like TC has to make a decision....if it takes ownership threatening HIS job to make the right decision, so be it. if Mara said "Listen, we want you to stay, but coordinators are gone. what say you?" I'd hope Coughlin is smart enough to realize that by walking away(or accepting being fired), it would tarnish his image a lot as somoene who wouldn't change. I'm not sure how he'd take it...but...he's gotta realize this isn't working lol

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 12:34 PM
And another thing about TC staying. If he does....even if they convince him to fire both coordinators, we can only draw from position coaches and no current coordinators.

well, i know there were talks of Spags at DC again...but who knows...

gumby74
10-15-2013, 12:43 PM
well, i know there were talks of Spags at DC again...but who knows...

It might sound crazy, but I wouldn't mind this. I'm living in the past, but anytime you can make it work with Michael Johnson, Kevin Butler, Dockery, an old Sammy Knight, Danny Clark, No Strahan, No Osi (I think), and whoever the heck was playing weakside, you might do ok.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 12:45 PM
It might sound crazy, but I wouldn't mind this. I'm living in the past, but anytime you can make it work with Michael Johnson, Kevin Butler, Dockery, an old Sammy Knight, Danny Clark, No Strahan, No Osi (I think), and whoever the heck was playing weakside, you might do ok.

He should of never left.

gumby74
10-15-2013, 12:46 PM
There was one presser this week where Eli look very frustrated and emotional. Ill see if I can find it. But really, Eli's personality and leadership skills are never called into question when were winning.
Tuck and Rolle talk more bull**** than the women on the View. Every week Rolle says we need to get mean or some crap. Then the first play they get gashed for hes the first one to slap the opposing player helmet or butt like hes on our ****ing team. THAT, pisses me off.

That made me feel better actually. Winning cures everything.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 12:46 PM
He should of never left.

I know WHY he did....but, i bet he kicks himself in the *** in retrospect.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 12:47 PM
Michael Strahan: The Football Life is on NFL network tonight

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 12:49 PM
Michael Strahan: The Football Life is on NFL network tonight

I dont even know if my new place has NFLN....is that bad? lol

DavenIII
10-15-2013, 12:50 PM
You're angry at KG and JR but not at the player who's had more turnovers than any TEAM in the league.

I'm angry at the people who put Eli in the position to fail, isn't it the coaches job to put players and the team in a position to win? KG and JR put Eli and this Giants team in a position to fail...Eli is trying to keep that from happening...whenever Eli presses and tries to do too much Int's happen.

Eli's increased Int's this year are a direct result of JR not getting quality talent and Gilbrides obsession with a terrible terrible offensive scheme, Eli's been able to bail out Gilbride in the past but without a offensive line to start this season without a defense capable of keeping it close Eli can't do it alone this year...he's trying to, he's pressing..and that's why he's throwing ints and yes...that makes it worse...but he's only doing what he's doing because of the position he's been put in by his coaches.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 12:53 PM
I'm angry at the people who put Eli in the position to fail, isn't it the coaches job to put players and the team in a position to win? KG and JR put Eli and this Giants team in a position to fail...Eli is trying to keep that from happening...whenever Eli presses and tries to do too much Int's happen.

Eli's increased Int's this year are a direct result of JR not getting quality talent and Gilbrides obsession with a terrible terrible offensive scheme, Eli's been able to bail out Gilbride in the past but without a offensive line to start this season without a defense capable of keeping it close Eli can't do it alone this year...he's trying to, he's pressing..and that's why he's throwing ints and yes...that makes it worse...but he's only doing what he's doing because of the position he's been put in by his coaches.

*cough* this...

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 01:06 PM
Giants are looking at Hillis and Ware. Pizzles boy might be back!

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 01:15 PM
I'm angry at the people who put Eli in the position to fail, isn't it the coaches job to put players and the team in a position to win? KG and JR put Eli and this Giants team in a position to fail...Eli is trying to keep that from happening...whenever Eli presses and tries to do too much Int's happen.

Eli's increased Int's this year are a direct result of JR not getting quality talent and Gilbrides obsession with a terrible terrible offensive scheme, Eli's been able to bail out Gilbride in the past but without a offensive line to start this season without a defense capable of keeping it close Eli can't do it alone this year...he's trying to, he's pressing..and that's why he's throwing ints and yes...that makes it worse...but he's only doing what he's doing because of the position he's been put in by his coaches.
Shouldn't this post be in red?

I mean it has to be a joke. "Put Eli in a position to fail"????
He has one of the best WR corps in the league. he has a system designed and refined over the past almost 10 years around what Eli does well.
Yes he has a bad O line, but in the past two games the O line has protected well and he's thrown 6 picks. 6 FRIGGIN PICKS IN 2 GAMES!!!!!


I am going to assume that I can put you on the "its never Eli's fault" list along with 420 and Dark Saint.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 01:17 PM
So when the Giants win, its a "team effort" but when they lose its Elis fault.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 01:25 PM
So when the Giants win, its a "team effort" but when they lose its Elis fault.
No.
When the Giants win its a team effort. When we lose no one player is ever to blame.
I'm not saying Eli is solely responsible for our 0-6 start, but he certainly is part of the problem.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 01:43 PM
Giants are looking at Hillis and Ware. Pizzles boy might be back!

lol...

considering what we have at the moment, i'm tempted to say Ware is a better option than Hillis....but I'd take right now just to get some RBs on the active roster lol

gumby74
10-15-2013, 01:58 PM
I don't know why, but watching Ben week in and week out do well and watching Eli stink, is really getting on my nerves.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 02:00 PM
No.
When the Giants win its a team effort. When we lose no one player is ever to blame.
I'm not saying Eli is solely responsible for our 0-6 start, but he certainly is part of the problem.So why are you so fixated on Eli?
I picture you typing away on your laptop throwing darts at a dart board with Elis face on it.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 02:01 PM
Six of Eli's 15 interceptions were headed for Rueben Randle. Second-fave target on INTs is Nicks (3), then Cruz (2)

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:01 PM
I don't know why, but watching Ben week in and week out do well and watching Eli stink, is really getting on my nerves.

Ben who? Roethlisberger?? Why is this like the 5th time I've seen him come up today?

The Steelers arent exactly sitting pretty or anything...

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:02 PM
Six of Eli's 15 interceptions were headed for Rueben Randle. Second-fave target on INTs is Nicks (3), then Cruz (2)

Yea I just read that too...

But I'm sure it's just because Eli only makes his mistakes to the younger WRs, or because he hates Randle, right? -___-

gumby74
10-15-2013, 02:10 PM
Ben who? Roethlisberger?? Why is this like the 5th time I've seen him come up today?

The Steelers arent exactly sitting pretty or anything...

Haha. Because I'm the one bringing him up. And actually you have a good point. Maybe why I'm so annoyed is because I realize that as bad as the Steelers are, I know that Ben is part of their solution. It's looking up. Eli on the other hand, we have no idea what we're going to get out of him. This offseason we're going to do everything in our power to make one last run and surround Eli with the proper tools to win and we have no idea if Eli will poop the bed or not.

We need change. New OC everything.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:22 PM
Haha. Because I'm the one bringing him up. And actually you have a good point. Maybe why I'm so annoyed is because I realize that as bad as the Steelers are, I know that Ben is part of their solution. It's looking up. Eli on the other hand, we have no idea what we're going to get out of him. This offseason we're going to do everything in our power to make one last run and surround Eli with the proper tools to win and we have no idea if Eli will poop the bed or not.

We need change. New OC everything.

idk man...Eli is our guy...it's not changing for awhile. He's always healthy, and is a proven winner. We have to accept that we were let down this season and not given the right personnel to win. I guess the coaching staff could be included in that statement also. Maybe they got too comfortable. Reese too.

gumby74
10-15-2013, 02:29 PM
idk man...Eli is our guy...it's not changing for awhile. He's always healthy, and is a proven winner. We have to accept that we were let down this season and not given the right personnel to win. I guess the coaching staff could be included in that statement also. Maybe they got too comfortable. Reese too.

I think that the front office was aiming toward the Colts model when Peyton was around. Book End DEs and a high octane offense. We got 1 SB out of it (2007 doesn't count as that was before Eli's big contract and before we had to worry about salary cap) so I guess it was a success. The issue is that we have a poor man's version of what the Colts had. Our DEs aren't as good and Eli isn't Peyton. When Peyton went down the Colts were 2-14. Eli stinks up the join and we're 0-6.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:34 PM
I think that the front office was aiming toward the Colts model when Peyton was around. Book End DEs and a high octane offense. We got 1 SB out of it (2007 doesn't count as that was before Eli's big contract and before we had to worry about salary cap) so I guess it was a success. The issue is that we have a poor man's version of what the Colts had. Our DEs aren't as good and Eli isn't Peyton. When Peyton went down the Colts were 2-14. Eli stinks up the join and we're 0-6.

lol all valid points. What does that say about the "Colts model" though? it cant always work the way you want. you have to have more than 1 piece.

That being said, there are very few circumstances where a team can REALLY WIN with a less than stellar QB....

DavenIII
10-15-2013, 02:39 PM
I am going to assume that I can put you on the "its never Eli's fault" list along with 420 and Dark Saint.

That's about as fair as me telling you that you are an "Eli Hater" and that you think he's the only reason we are a bad team this year.

I'm not saying none of this is on Eli...what I'm saying is the giants organization from top to bottom should have seen this coming, Bad O-Line, underwhelming defense a absolutely terrible offensive scheme..

throw a guy whose always been a little "gunslingerish" into that equation and from there 16 ints is pretty much simple arithmetic, should Eli curb his gunslinger attitude...probably but that's part of what makes him good too it's the same as how David Wilsons kind of a crappy running back when he's hunched over holding onto the ball with both arms.

you don't change the style of a good player if it's detrimental to their play, Jerry Reese and Kevin Gilbride (and yes Tom Coughlin at this point) let this team start the season and they did so knowing full well that if they put Eli into the type of situation he is in now he was going to throw int's, you want to argue over how many is too many...go ahead..but they darn well should have known it was going to be objectively "a lot" of int's in this situation.

gumby74
10-15-2013, 02:42 PM
lol all valid points. What does that say about the "Colts model" though? it cant always work the way you want. you have to have more than 1 piece.

That being said, there are very few circumstances where a team can REALLY WIN with a less than stellar QB....

Yeah, I don't think the model works. But that's where we were going. Drafting DEs every year etc, which we did ok on, but we really crapped the bed on olinemen. I'm starting to think this getting pressure with front 4 model just isn't viable.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:52 PM
Yeah, I don't think the model works. But that's where we were going. Drafting DEs every year etc, which we did ok on, but we really crapped the bed on olinemen. I'm starting to think this getting pressure with front 4 model just isn't viable.

i think they COULD have pulled it off, but we MAY have drafted in the wrong order lol. I'm not convinced that JPP was the right choice in 2010. Looking back at the draft picks though, it's actually might have been better than the alternative. The 1st rounders we've taken as of late, i agree with....buttttt everything after that, I dont really understand. I think a lot of people thinks this year's draft was our worst....but, that's because we had a TON of wasted picks the previous 3+ years. but...you know what they say about hindsight....

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 02:53 PM
also....we havent touched free agency since Rolle, who is overpaid anyway....

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 02:55 PM
So why are you so fixated on Eli?
I picture you typing away on your laptop throwing darts at a dart board with Elis face on it.
Well I can't imagine.
Might it be that he is the QB...the most important position on the field?
Might it be that he has 15 picks. More than any team in the league?
Might it be that he's thrown 6 picks in the last 2 games?

gumby74
10-15-2013, 02:59 PM
That's about as fair as me telling you that you are an "Eli Hater" and that you think he's the only reason we are a bad team this year.

I'm not saying none of this is on Eli...what I'm saying is the giants organization from top to bottom should have seen this coming, Bad O-Line, underwhelming defense a absolutely terrible offensive scheme..

throw a guy whose always been a little "gunslingerish" into that equation and from there 16 ints is pretty much simple arithmetic, should Eli curb his gunslinger attitude...probably but that's part of what makes him good too it's the same as how David Wilsons kind of a crappy running back when he's hunched over holding onto the ball with both arms.

you don't change the style of a good player if it's detrimental to their play, Jerry Reese and Kevin Gilbride (and yes Tom Coughlin at this point) let this team start the season and they did so knowing full well that if they put Eli into the type of situation he is in now he was going to throw int's, you want to argue over how many is too many...go ahead..but they darn well should have known it was going to be objectively "a lot" of int's in this situation.

I don't think anyone in the FO expected Eli to be as bad as he is now though. A good "franichse" player should be able to mask some of the team's deficiencies. Eli did that in 2011. I'm not excusing the OL, but Eli had a large hand in us losing to the Eagles, Bears, Cowboys. It's not out of the realm of possibility to say that if Eli played like 2012 Eli, we'd be .500 right now - horrible OL and all.

The organisation is to blame with their crap drafting of OLine, but I don't think anyone thought Eli would react that way he has.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:02 PM
That's about as fair as me telling you that you are an "Eli Hater" and that you think he's the only reason we are a bad team this year.

I'm not saying none of this is on Eli...what I'm saying is the giants organization from top to bottom should have seen this coming, Bad O-Line, underwhelming defense a absolutely terrible offensive scheme..

throw a guy whose always been a little "gunslingerish" into that equation and from there 16 ints is pretty much simple arithmetic, should Eli curb his gunslinger attitude...probably but that's part of what makes him good too it's the same as how David Wilsons kind of a crappy running back when he's hunched over holding onto the ball with both arms.

you don't change the style of a good player if it's detrimental to their play, Jerry Reese and Kevin Gilbride (and yes Tom Coughlin at this point) let this team start the season and they did so knowing full well that if they put Eli into the type of situation he is in now he was going to throw int's, you want to argue over how many is too many...go ahead..but they darn well should have known it was going to be objectively "a lot" of int's in this situation.
I don't know why you guys can't see what Eli is.
Yes he's a good QB. But he needs things to be just so. He needs a good O line. He needs a good WR corps. And he needs a defense to cover for him when he throws bad picks.
So...give Eli plenty of time to throw and give him guys who get open and he can make the throws. And add the fact that he's shown a lot of clutch play. But he has problems coping when things go bad. He loses confidence and starts making bonehead plays.

And someone said that "Eli throws interceptions and thats the way he is" (paraphrasing) Look at what he is famous for. Look at what has made his career....The two playoff runs in 2007 and 2011. What do they have in common?
His yards and TD's are right in line with his career averages. Its the turnovers. Its the picks....2 picks in 8 games.
So yes...Eli throws picks. When he does we are an average team and he's an average QB. When he doesn't..... we are a championship team.
So this notion that we should just accept Eli's picks is defied by his history. I do NOT accept his picks.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:02 PM
I don't think anyone in the FO expected Eli to be as bad as he is now though. A good "franichse" player should be able to mask some of the team's deficiencies. Eli did that in 2011. I'm not excusing the OL, but Eli had a large hand in us losing to the Eagles, Bears, Cowboys. It's not out of the realm of possibility to say that if Eli played like 2012 Eli, we'd be .500 right now - horrible OL and all.

The organisation is to blame with their crap drafting of OLine, but I don't think anyone thought Eli would react that way he has.

To be fair, ELI was also the only reason we were IN the cowboys and eagles games to begin with lol....

The chicago game we at LEAST had some sort of run game, which was nice. But yea, the division games thus far could have been won BECAUSE of Eli....but ended up being lost for the same reasons. But, like we've been discussing all day, I'm not putting all the focus on Eli for the losses and all the turnover issues....

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:10 PM
To be fair, ELI was also the only reason we were IN the cowboys and eagles games to begin with lol....

The chicago game we at LEAST had some sort of run game, which was nice. But yea, the division games thus far could have been won BECAUSE of Eli....but ended up being lost for the same reasons. But, like we've been discussing all day, I'm not putting all the focus on Eli for the losses and all the turnover issues....
That's a joke.....right?
I mean you DID "lol".

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:23 PM
That's a joke.....right?
I mean you DID "lol".

Did you see the Giants scoring any other way? I sure didnt see any points on the board....

DavenIII
10-15-2013, 03:27 PM
I don't think anyone in the FO expected Eli to be as bad as he is now though. A good "franichse" player should be able to mask some of the team's deficiencies. Eli did that in 2011. I'm not excusing the OL, but Eli had a large hand in us losing to the Eagles, Bears, Cowboys. It's not out of the realm of possibility to say that if Eli played like 2012 Eli, we'd be .500 right now - horrible OL and all.

The organisation is to blame with their crap drafting of OLine, but I don't think anyone thought Eli would react that way he has.

That's the problem though, they should know Eli by now well enough to understand what he does and doesn't do.

He's been covering up our teams deficiencies for years...both our SB winning teams had deficiencies...which were covered up by Eli (and a strong D-Line)
I think the problem is our FO took for granted that Eli would always cover up for our teams deficiencies and now Eli is having a down year and it's not happening and this is the result, you can't ignore problems and say "Our MVP QB's got this" year after year after year..eventually it becomes too much.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:29 PM
Did you see the Giants scoring any other way? I sure didnt see any points on the board....
So our offense turns it over 6 times, including 3 int's with a pick 6 and HE is the reason we're still in the game.
The offense gave up 14 points directly and another FG with the Ware pick when the defense stuffed them.
Eli and the offense moved the ball well but the turnovers were the reason we lost. And Eli had 4 of them.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:31 PM
That's the problem though, they should know Eli by now well enough to understand what he does and doesn't do.

He's been covering up our teams deficiencies for years...both our SB winning teams had deficiencies...which were covered up by Eli (and a strong D-Line)
I think the problem is our FO took for granted that Eli would always cover up for our teams deficiencies and now Eli is having a down year and it's not happening and this is the result, you can't ignore problems and say "Our MVP QB's got this" year after year after year..eventually it becomes too much.

If you want to blame JR for giving us this crap O line I completely agree.
But I am not blaming JR, KG, TC or anyone other than Eli for some of the crap decisions he's made. Many of which have been daggers for our chances of winning games.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:32 PM
So our offense turns it over 6 times, including 3 int's with a pick 6 and HE is the reason we're still in the game.
The offense gave up 14 points directly and another FG with the Ware pick when the defense stuffed them.
Eli and the offense moved the ball well but the turnovers were the reason we lost. And Eli had 4 of them.

Youre right. i would have much rather lost the game in the first quarter and just get shut out all season.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:33 PM
If you want to blame JR for giving us this crap O line I completely agree.
But I am not blaming JR, KG, TC or anyone other than Eli for some of the crap decisions he's made. Many of which have been daggers for our chances of winning games.

So, you admit that we don't have the tools to win.....but are still fine putting all the blame for the offense on Eli....you realize how crazy that is, right?

DavenIII
10-15-2013, 03:34 PM
I don't know why you guys can't see what Eli is.
Yes he's a good QB. But he needs things to be just so. He needs a good O line. He needs a good WR corps. And he needs a defense to cover for him when he throws bad picks.
So...give Eli plenty of time to throw and give him guys who get open and he can make the throws. And add the fact that he's shown a lot of clutch play. But he has problems coping when things go bad. He loses confidence and starts making bonehead plays.

"Eli" doesn't particularly need those things Morehead...Gilbrides scheme does...when you run a playaction option based offense the QB (whoever he is) needs time and needs WR's that can get open.

when the QB in Gilbrides offense doesn't have that no matter who the QB is (it could be Peyton for all I care) the offense will fail.

that said when the offense is failing it's definetly very Eli-like to throw a ton of interceptions...Eli doesn't lose confidence the thing is Eli doesn't give up and doesn't care about his stats...when the offensive scheme isn't working he tries to force things...which ends up in interceptions and that's what's going on now, but if Gilbride ran a offensive scheme geared towards the players we have Eli wouldn't feel the need to force things..or equally if JR would have gone out and gotten us players capable of running Gilbride's offensive scheme then again eli wouldn't feel the need to force things.

is Eli wrong for forcing passes? YES, but the reason he is forcing passes is because the offense is not working, the reason the offense is not working is because we don't have the players to run gilbrides offense and gilbride refuses to change his offense to fit his players.

DavenIII
10-15-2013, 03:38 PM
If you want to blame JR for giving us this crap O line I completely agree.
But I am not blaming JR, KG, TC or anyone other than Eli for some of the crap decisions he's made. Many of which have been daggers for our chances of winning games.

Eli forces passes when the offense isn't working.

he's wrong for doing that but everyone in this organization and most fans already knew that...so whose at fault? Eli for forcing the passes or the organization for putting him into a situation that they KNEW would make him force passes.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 03:39 PM
Every qb who has been in Gilbrides system was/is prone to throwing ints.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:41 PM
So, you admit that we don't have the tools to win.....but are still fine putting all the blame for the offense on Eli....you realize how crazy that is, right?
I'm not putting the blame on Eli. I'm saying that Eli is playing like **** and he is responsible for it.
Plenty of blame for our team being 0-6 to go around. But he's been as bad as anyone so far.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:42 PM
Every qb who has been in Gilbrides system was/is prone to throwing ints.
So I can add you along with Scrappy for the "its never Eli's fault" list.

Ironically.....you both sound like friggin Democrats.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:43 PM
So, you admit that we don't have the tools to win.....but are still fine putting all the blame for the offense on Eli....you realize how crazy that is, right?
We have plenty of tools not to be 0-6.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:51 PM
Every qb who has been in Gilbrides system was/is prone to throwing ints.

FACT!!!! Kevin Gilbride's offenses average 19.4 INTs per year. That's a 20 year sample. haha

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 03:52 PM
So I can add you along with Scrappy for the "its never Eli's fault" list.

Ironically.....you both sound like friggin Democrats.

Both of us have said that he shoulders some of the blame. But we arent on a witch hunt like some elitests amongst us.
Youre the only loony lib in here, ignoring facts, making outlandish statments and getting "pissed off" because youre not getting your way. :)

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:53 PM
FACT!!!! Kevin Gilbride's offenses average 19.4 INTs per year. That's a 20 year sample. haha
Half of that was in the Run and Shoot.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:54 PM
Both of us have said that he shoulders some of the blame. But we arent on a witch hunt like some elitests amongst us.
Youre the only loony lib in here, ignoring facts, making outlandish statments and getting "pissed off" because youre not getting your way. :)
You lose another Z for that rant.
Cite an "outlandish" statement I have made today.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:55 PM
Both of us have said that he shoulders some of the blame. But we arent on a witch hunt like some elitests amongst us.
Youre the only loony lib in here, ignoring facts, making outlandish statments and getting "pissed off" because youre not getting your way. :)

like when republicans shut down the government for not getting their way....

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 03:55 PM
I'm not putting the blame on Eli. I'm saying that Eli is playing like **** and he is responsible for it.
Plenty of blame for our team being 0-6 to go around. But he's been as bad as anyone so far.

"I'm not putting the blame on Eli. I'm saying that Eli is playing like **** and he is responsible for it."

hahahaha this is why Iove ya MH.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:56 PM
"I'm not putting the blame on Eli. I'm saying that Eli is playing like **** and he is responsible for it."

hahahaha this is why Iove ya MH.
Jeez De.

I'm not blaming Eli by himself for the losses. I'm blaming him for his own bad play.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 03:58 PM
like when republicans shut down the government for not getting their way....dont believe the media pizz

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 03:58 PM
lol...."De"

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 03:58 PM
Jeez De.

I'm not blaming Eli by himself for the losses. I'm blaming him for his own bad play.
hahaha come on that was a very contradicting statement. Funny too

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:58 PM
like when republicans shut down the government for not getting their way....
"Their Way" being trying to protect younger guys like you from having to shoulder unmanagable debt down the road.
And doing it at great political risk for themselves.
That used to be considered noble....except in this era of crap media.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 03:59 PM
hahaha come on that was a very contradicting statement. Funny too
You can't be that dumb.
I blame him solely for his own play, not solely for the team's losses.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:04 PM
dont believe the media pizz

How many times did house repubs try to repeal affordable health care? 43? If at first you dont succeed, Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try again?

And if not, refuse to accept it, and whine, take your ball and go home? seeeeems legit...;.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:06 PM
"Their Way" being trying to protect younger guys like you from having to shoulder unmanagable debt down the road.
And doing it at great political risk for themselves.
That used to be considered noble....except in this era of crap media.

we already have done that to pay for everyone else's **** ups....

they should be at great political risk....because they shouldnt be reelected....any of them....any party....

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 04:06 PM
How many times did house repubs try to repeal affordable health care? 43? If at first you dont succeed, Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try Try again?

And if not, refuse to accept it, and whine, take your ball and go home? seeeeems legit...;.
For the sake of the future of the country? I think that's a worthwhile cause.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:08 PM
we already have done that to pay for everyone else's **** ups....

they should be at great political risk....because they shouldnt be reelected....any of them....any party....

my point is, my generation was ****ed from the beginning...we never stood a chance. this do-nothing congress was just the dagger that sealed the fate.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:13 PM
but back to the original topic...MH is losing it, guys....we should take it easy....he might need our help one day...he might forget who we are soon, so...let's make these days enjoyable for him.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 04:24 PM
You can't be that dumb.
I blame him solely for his own play, not solely for the team's losses.

Oh stop im laughing at the way you worded it.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 04:25 PM
lol...."De"

Hes about to catch my DE in his face.

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 04:30 PM
my point is, my generation was ****ed from the beginning...we never stood a chance. this do-nothing congress was just the dagger that sealed the fate.
Yet you keep voting for those who will make it much, much worse...

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:32 PM
Giants worked out Ware, Hillis, and Torrain, but only Hillis recieved a physical afterwards. Decision made?

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 04:36 PM
I think losing Andre Brown really ****ed this offense.

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 04:38 PM
Giants worked out Ware, Hillis, and Torrain, but only Hillis recieved a physical afterwards. Decision made?
yea just added him in ff.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:40 PM
yea just added him in ff.

haha...what, do ya play in a 20 man league? lol

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 04:46 PM
haha...what, do ya play in a 20 man league? lol

14. Its ****ing tedious dealing with rbs. Im not going to start him though

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 04:46 PM
lol...harooni's thread about about an hour ago cracked me the hell up!!

"Tiki called for a workout"

"Should I work out with him or not??"

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 05:50 PM
I don't get it......Its friggin daytime!!!!

Play ball.

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 05:57 PM
14. Its ****ing tedious dealing with rbs. Im not going to start him though

RB has been for years, and will remain THIN....not enough studs to go around, and barely enough serviceable ones...

dezzzR
10-15-2013, 06:10 PM
Hunter complaining about that cop. "he didnt help me, whaaaaaaa" lol
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1013/mlb_g_hunter_gb2_576x324.jpg

Morehead State
10-15-2013, 08:50 PM
Holy crap what a game!!!!

byron
10-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Holy crap what a game!!!! congrats..... my wife is very happy and I'm happy she is happy.......everybody's happy,happy,happy !

gmen0820
10-15-2013, 09:31 PM
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/994000_609450079101684_2047530621_n.jpg

gmen0820
10-15-2013, 09:32 PM
Old McDonald is clearly an Eli hater -- otherwise he would have said "Giants Giants 0-6."

JPizzack
10-15-2013, 11:42 PM
this cracked me the **** up lol

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1374859_10151865771712870_1166606915_n.jpg

Morehead State
10-16-2013, 09:38 AM
congrats..... my wife is very happy and I'm happy she is happy.......everybody's happy,happy,happy !
You are a self loathing Sox hater B.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 09:59 AM
With the RBs we've been working out, and will give physicals to today, watch us end up with the guy we've never heard of...lol

Moke
10-16-2013, 10:01 AM
Going to be fun watching a no-namer.

Rudyy
10-16-2013, 10:05 AM
Where's the stud Lumpkin??

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 10:11 AM
Where's the stud Lumpkin??

lmao...he wasn't even good at UGA....he lost ALL his carries as a senior to Knowshon when he was a freshman. Knowshon really exploded in 07 and 08....something like 2800 yards and 30 TDs

Rudyy
10-16-2013, 10:17 AM
lmao...he wasn't even good at UGA....he lost ALL his carries as a senior to Knowshon when he was a freshman. Knowshon really exploded in 07 and 08....something like 2800 yards and 30 TDs

I know, he's useless lol. Aaaaaaah this sucks big time.

DavenIII
10-16-2013, 10:24 AM
Fantasy football advice!

J. Cameron / V.Davis / A.Jeffery / A. Gates

Pick two to start.

Moke
10-16-2013, 10:35 AM
Fantasy football advice!

J. Cameron / V.Davis / A.Jeffery / A. Gates

Pick two to start.

Cameron easy, Davis

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 10:51 AM
Fantasy football advice!

J. Cameron / V.Davis / A.Jeffery / A. Gates

Pick two to start.

I'd say..........Davis and Cameron.....

Gates has been feast or famine this year. so annoying

dezzzR
10-16-2013, 11:02 AM
this cracked me the **** up lol

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1374859_10151865771712870_1166606915_n.jpg
Wilson also told him to learn the playbook.

Moke
10-16-2013, 11:09 AM
Woah, 2 schmucks going at it

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 11:19 AM
Wilson also told him to learn the playbook.

I dont care if they are serious or just ****ing with each other...i still find it hilarious....

dezzzR
10-16-2013, 11:31 AM
Anyone see michael strahans football life last night? Pretty good.

DavenIII
10-16-2013, 11:53 AM
I'd say..........Davis and Cameron.....

Gates has been feast or famine this year. so annoying

2 people for Cameron and Davis that's what I'll do then, it's funny though, Jeffery and Gates are both rated higher then either Davis or Cameron on yahoo...but those projections are always wrong.

DavenIII
10-16-2013, 11:54 AM
ahh the thing is Gates is matched up against Jax that's why he's rated higher...any thoughts on that?

Moke
10-16-2013, 11:58 AM
ahh the thing is Gates is matched up against Jax that's why he's rated higher...any thoughts on that?

If you're going to replace Gates for someone, I'd go with Davis.

I think he's rated high because Jacksonville is Jacksonville AND the fact that the Chargers are already slim offensively.

I expect Ryan Mathews to get good amount of points, Gates might too. Who are targets for Rivers? Royal and Gates? And I think the guy Allen is pretty damn good.

dezzzR
10-16-2013, 12:05 PM
Finely is doing well for me and with Cobb out hell likely see more looks. Hes only blocked for 40 snaps so far this year.

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 12:08 PM
If you're going to replace Gates for someone, I'd go with Davis.

I think he's rated high because Jacksonville is Jacksonville AND the fact that the Chargers are already slim offensively.

I expect Ryan Mathews to get good amount of points, Gates might too. Who are targets for Rivers? Royal and Gates? And I think the guy Allen is pretty damn good.

Keenan Allen actually...he's been robbing targets from Royal and Gates left and right....

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 12:09 PM
Finely is doing well for me and with Cobb out hell likely see more looks. Hes only blocked for 40 snaps so far this year.

Finley has been an awesome replacement for me with Gronk out FOREVER(or for what seems like it).

DavenIII
10-16-2013, 12:42 PM
If you're going to replace Gates for someone, I'd go with Davis.

I think he's rated high because Jacksonville is Jacksonville AND the fact that the Chargers are already slim offensively.

I expect Ryan Mathews to get good amount of points, Gates might too. Who are targets for Rivers? Royal and Gates? And I think the guy Allen is pretty damn good.

I can start 2 TE's or 2 WR's in these slots (or 1 and 1), so I can start Gates and Davis and I think that might be what i end up doing, Cameron came in a trade recently I haven't had him long...I'd like to start him but I don't know if he's better then Gates or Davis...everyone has right around the same amount of Tagerts per game...Davis and Jeffery seem to be the most "explosive" while Cameron and Gates are more consistent...although still not very consistent.

Moke
10-16-2013, 12:52 PM
I can start 2 TE's or 2 WR's in these slots (or 1 and 1), so I can start Gates and Davis and I think that might be what i end up doing, Cameron came in a trade recently I haven't had him long...I'd like to start him but I don't know if he's better then Gates or Davis...everyone has right around the same amount of Tagerts per game...Davis and Jeffery seem to be the most "explosive" while Cameron and Gates are more consistent...although still not very consistent.

Cameron has been pretty consistent this year for me, don't see how he's not consistent.

I wouldn't bank on Jeffery right now.

DavenIII
10-16-2013, 02:44 PM
Cameron has been pretty consistent this year for me, don't see how he's not consistent.

I wouldn't bank on Jeffery right now.

in my league

Cameron has gone: 16--9--24--15--3--6
Jeffery has gone: 4--4--5--21--28--4
Davis has gone: 21--2--0--7--14--31
Gates has gone: 4--11--11--19--7--2

what bothers me about Cameron and Gates is their last two weeks were down weeks where Davis went off last week for 31.

I might go Davis for the chance of an explosive week (even though he could easily do nothing) and Cameron or Gates since they are both more consistent.

I'll probably skip Jeffery (even though he's highest rated by Yahoo) because he's by far the least consistent.

gumby74
10-16-2013, 04:19 PM
Is it Friday yet?

dezzzR
10-16-2013, 04:31 PM
Is it Friday yet?

Huuump daaayee

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 04:50 PM
Huuump daaayee

Gaaaaayyeeeee!!!

dezzzR
10-16-2013, 05:01 PM
Gaaaaayyeeeee!!!
You have camel toe

JPizzack
10-16-2013, 05:02 PM
You have camel toe

OHHH NOOOOO!!! =O

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 09:47 AM
Cool Fact:

The only(skill position) player in NFL history to score a TD against every team, is Terrell Owens.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 11:52 AM
Six of Eli Manning's league-leading 15 interceptions have been intended for Rueben Randle.

Randle is shouldering the blame here as the Giants are pushing him to define his routes better and exhibit better "body presence." The fact that he hasn't been benched is a tip of the cap to his talent level. The Giants know the No. 3 wideout is a big part of their offense now and is a core piece of their future with Hakeem Nicks in the final year of his contract. "He brings a lot to the table," coach Tom Coughlin said of Randle. "We just have to keep working with him and refining that talent."

-New York Daily News

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 12:00 PM
Facts dont matter on this board.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 12:08 PM
Facts dont matter on this board.

I know....

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 12:12 PM
You know whos been playing well? Pugh. I think someone around here needs to eat a crow sammich.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 12:18 PM
You know whos been playing well? Pugh. I think someone around here needs to eat a crow sammich.

nah he definitely is playing well man...he's playing at the same high level as all the early 1st round OLs that went before him.

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 12:23 PM
nah he definitely is playing well man...he's playing at the same high level as all the early 1st round OLs that went before him.
Even better than them.
Hes probably our best linemen right now....

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 12:26 PM
Even better than them.
Hes probably our best linemen right now....

right...well I would have said that...except it wouldnt be saying much hahaha

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 12:30 PM
right...well I would have said that...except it wouldnt be saying much hahahaI read that hes going to do Snees diet/ training program this offseason. Id rather him stay around this size/weight. He looks slim for a olineman and he still holds it down. Why gain more mass and slow yourself down? I dont know, just thinking out loud.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 12:33 PM
I read that hes going to do Snees diet/ training program this offseason. Id rather him stay around this size/weight. He looks slim for a olineman and he still holds it down. Why gain more mass and slow yourself down? I dont know, just thinking out loud.

he actually HAS gained weight...so....whatever he's doing worked

edit, looks like he lost 5 lbs since the combine...so idk what's accurate anymore lol

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 02:24 PM
Andre Brown practicing. Thats huge.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 02:49 PM
Andre Brown practicing. Thats huge.

oh nice!!

he's not eligible for a few more weeks, sadly...

prob on that HGH again =P

Morehead State
10-17-2013, 03:31 PM
Six of Eli Manning's league-leading 15 interceptions have been intended for Rueben Randle.

Randle is shouldering the blame here as the Giants are pushing him to define his routes better and exhibit better "body presence." The fact that he hasn't been benched is a tip of the cap to his talent level. The Giants know the No. 3 wideout is a big part of their offense now and is a core piece of their future with Hakeem Nicks in the final year of his contract. "He brings a lot to the table," coach Tom Coughlin said of Randle. "We just have to keep working with him and refining that talent."

-New York Daily News
Because Randle is drawing single coverage. Randle has been the best thing to happen to Eli this year. 3 TD's in 2 games.
This RR hate sucks big time. Blaming Randle for Eli's poor decisions is silliness.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 03:37 PM
Because Randle is drawing single coverage. Randle has been the best thing to happen to Eli this year. 3 TD's in 2 games.
This RR hate sucks big time. Blaming Randle for Eli's poor decisions is silliness.

I dont hate Randle. that'd be dumb...

however I REFUSE TO BELIEVE for even 1 second...that a young receiver is playing flawless football.....when THE ****ING GIANTS ORGANIZATION says that he needs to be BETTER than he is....yea, he's "doing it wrong", MH....

quit being an old stubborn twat. youre not smarter than anyone on the team, stop acting like it. because nobody here buys it anyway.

Morehead State
10-17-2013, 03:42 PM
I dont hate Randle. that'd be dumb...

however I REFUSE TO BELIEVE for even 1 second...that a young receiver is playing flawless football.....when THE ****ING GIANTS ORGANIZATION says that he needs to be BETTER than he is....yea, he's "doing it wrong", MH....

quit being an old stubborn twat. youre not smarter than anyone on the team, stop acting like it. because nobody here buys it anyway.
He's a young receiver. Yes he's still learning. Doesn't excuse Eli's bad decisions. Brady has a bunch of rooks and he's not throwing up pick 6's.

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 03:55 PM
Justin Tuck: "I still remember the good old days when any time we lined up against guys you'd feel like you could beat him."


Team is soft.....Makes me sad this came out of the mouth of one of my favorite players.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 04:02 PM
Justin Tuck: "I still remember the good old days when any time we lined up against guys you'd feel like you could beat him."


Team is soft.....Makes me sad this came out of the mouth of one of my favorite players.

Tuck sucks....deal with it....I can't even remember the last time he had an impact. Seems like forever.

DavenIII
10-17-2013, 04:24 PM
He's a young receiver. Yes he's still learning. Doesn't excuse Eli's bad decisions. Brady has a bunch of rooks and he's not throwing up pick 6's.

so what you are saying is that you honestly believe that Rueben Randle has a better grasp on the offense then Eli Manning does and that when the miss communications happen it's normally Eli not Randle that's reading the plays wrong.

to clarify our talented, young, inexperienced WR already knows the offense better then our 2 time MVP QB does.

that's the same as saying that Julian Edelman knows the Patriots offense been then Tom Brady.

you are clearly trolling Morehead lol.

DavenIII
10-17-2013, 04:27 PM
He's a young receiver. Yes he's still learning. Doesn't excuse Eli's bad decisions. Brady has a bunch of rooks and he's not throwing up pick 6's.

Brady's offense isn't dependent on receivers reading the plays correctly, they run their routes he hits them in stride there is nothing there for the WR's to F up, no way to make wrong reads.

almost every single play the Giants run has many places where a miss communication or a miss read will result in a turn over more times then not, you don't like the Int's? make gilbride run an offense like the patriots offense...you won't see anymore ints from Eli.

JPizzack
10-17-2013, 04:44 PM
They see me troooollin'...they haaaatinnnn'

just tryin' to catch me writin' dirtyyyyy

Moke
10-17-2013, 04:49 PM
Tuck is a huge joke, makes me sick to have his jersey. Next man up wearing #91

dezzzR
10-17-2013, 04:58 PM
Tuck sucks....deal with it....I can't even remember the last time he had an impact. Seems like forever.Hes still solid against the run. Getting after the qb, not so much recently.

Morehead State
10-17-2013, 05:55 PM
Brady's offense isn't dependent on receivers reading the plays correctly, they run their routes he hits them in stride there is nothing there for the WR's to F up, no way to make wrong reads.

almost every single play the Giants run has many places where a miss communication or a miss read will result in a turn over more times then not, you don't like the Int's? make gilbride run an offense like the patriots offense...you won't see anymore ints from Eli.
Yes it is.
Basically every team runs sight adjustment routes.
Randle has played very well this year. As a matter of fact the one bright spot this season has been the WR's.

Eli has 15 picks. These are the exact same WR's he had last year with one more year's experience.
How you can't grasp this is a mystery.
Honestly...Eli has just sucked this season....Period.

Imgrate
10-17-2013, 06:54 PM
Pats offense has ton of sight adjustments. The only difference is, Brady puts the ball on the wr and they just can't catch.

brownelvis54
10-17-2013, 11:43 PM
Count me in!![;)]

me too

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 09:13 AM
me too
You're a tad tardy.

DavenIII
10-18-2013, 10:06 AM
Yes it is.
Basically every team runs sight adjustment routes.
Randle has played very well this year. As a matter of fact the one bright spot this season has been the WR's.

Eli has 15 picks. These are the exact same WR's he had last year with one more year's experience.
How you can't grasp this is a mystery.
Honestly...Eli has just sucked this season....Period.

The offense sucks this year...when you are throwing to spots it's nice to know whether your receiver is at least heading to the spot you think he is...unfortunately Eli hasn't had enough time most of this year to know that he's had to throw the ball before the receivers have even made the decision at times.

Eli has always bailed out this ****ty offensive scheme, Eli is having an off year...that much is clear, that said if he was playing in an offensive scheme like the Patriots or Denver for example....we'd still be winning.

In my opinion you remove Gilbride from our team and add a competent OC we'd be 3 and 3 at the moment all other things remaining exactly the same.

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 10:15 AM
The offense sucks this year...when you are throwing to spots it's nice to know whether your receiver is at least heading to the spot you think he is...unfortunately Eli hasn't had enough time most of this year to know that he's had to throw the ball before the receivers have even made the decision at times.

Eli has always bailed out this ****ty offensive scheme, Eli is having an off year...that much is clear, that said if he was playing in an offensive scheme like the Patriots or Denver for example....we'd still be winning.

In my opinion you remove Gilbride from our team and add a competent OC we'd be 3 and 3 at the moment all other things remaining exactly the same.
What you fail to understand is that this scheme has been designed and refined over the years specifically for Eli. Its more Eli's scheme than KG's.
Its a 7 step, downfield passing scheme because that's what Eli does well. Its a huge departure from the schemes that KG ran earlier in his career.

In other words....be careful what you wish for. The next one might be a case of trying to fit Eli into a scheme that may not suit what he does well.

gumby74
10-18-2013, 10:26 AM
What should I get for breakfast. I'm tired of oatmeal every day.

Moke
10-18-2013, 10:27 AM
What should I get for breakfast. I'm tired of oatmeal every day.

everything bagel with 2 eggs, pepper.

You may add cheese if you'd like, but that depends on your diet.

Also salt if you want an extra kick, but everything bagels have a lot of salt as is.

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 10:40 AM
What should I get for breakfast. I'm tired of oatmeal every day.
Hostess Cupcakes and Diet Coke.

Remember......."preservatives"...........preserve you.....

DavenIII
10-18-2013, 10:57 AM
What you fail to understand is that this scheme has been designed and refined over the years specifically for Eli. Its more Eli's scheme than KG's.
Its a 7 step, downfield passing scheme because that's what Eli does well. Its a huge departure from the schemes that KG ran earlier in his career.

In other words....be careful what you wish for. The next one might be a case of trying to fit Eli into a scheme that may not suit what he does well.

I understand this Morehead...the problem is the rest of the offense can not support a 7 step down field passing game right now, that's JR's fault....if Eli was at the top of his game right now he could probably cover up the offense deficiencies, clearly he is not at the top of his game right now though.

knowing all this Gilbride should adjust the offense to run more 3 step drop quick hits because that's something our offense even with its deficiencies could pull off right now, I don't think Eli would have a problem running that either, it's not his forte but he's more then capable of accomplishing it.

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 11:49 AM
I understand this Morehead...the problem is the rest of the offense can not support a 7 step down field passing game right now, that's JR's fault....if Eli was at the top of his game right now he could probably cover up the offense deficiencies, clearly he is not at the top of his game right now though.

knowing all this Gilbride should adjust the offense to run more 3 step drop quick hits because that's something our offense even with its deficiencies could pull off right now, I don't think Eli would have a problem running that either, it's not his forte but he's more then capable of accomplishing it.
It is JR fault in that respect. He didn't give the O line near enough attention in the off season.
Having said that we did revise our scheme with some short patterns. One turned into a Bears TD.
Eli sucks at those quick pass plays. Look at his career,....90% at least of his picks are shorter patterns. he lacks touch on the shorter stuff and also tends to be high on them,....leading to tipped balls.

We have what we have...A QB with specific abilities and a OC who has molded his scheme to fit those abilities. Unfortunately...our QB is not that adaptable. He does what he does well and he does what he does poorly.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 12:36 PM
I wanna get a new jersey this year....but i think im done getting active players....

Maybe I should finally get a throwback....LT, Bavarro, something like that...

Moke
10-18-2013, 12:43 PM
After buying Tuck and JPP jerseys 2 years in a row, I would never buy an active player jersey...probably wouldn't spend money on jerseys period anymore.

gumby74
10-18-2013, 12:50 PM
I wanna get a new jersey this year....but i think im done getting active players....

Maybe I should finally get a throwback....LT, Bavarro, something like that...

I have a Bavaro jersey. But I still wear my ex-Giant jerseys. Even my Shockey jersey I still wear

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 12:51 PM
After buying Tuck and JPP jerseys 2 years in a row, I would never buy an active player jersey...probably wouldn't spend money on jerseys period anymore.

I only buy knockoffs....they look legit though. But idk...maybe i should just keep what i have and call it quits. I have a tuck jersey also....I actually have never worn it lol
I think im going to stick with my Eli, Strahan, and Nicks(till next year)....i also have Osi, Jacobs, and KP, from past years.

Moke
10-18-2013, 12:53 PM
I only buy knockoffs....they look legit though. But idk...maybe i should just keep what i have and call it quits. I have a tuck jersey also....I actually have never worn it lol
I think im going to stick with my Eli, Strahan, and Nicks(till next year)....i also have Osi, Jacobs, and KP, from past years.

I only buy knockoffs too, for like $40. I guess they are fine, but spending money on them sucks to me.

I'd prefer a few giants shirts that say giants on them.

DavenIII
10-18-2013, 12:57 PM
It is JR fault in that respect. He didn't give the O line near enough attention in the off season.
Having said that we did revise our scheme with some short patterns. One turned into a Bears TD.
Eli sucks at those quick pass plays. Look at his career,....90% at least of his picks are shorter patterns. he lacks touch on the shorter stuff and also tends to be high on them,....leading to tipped balls.

We have what we have...A QB with specific abilities and a OC who has molded his scheme to fit those abilities. Unfortunately...our QB is not that adaptable. He does what he does well and he does what he does poorly.

well that's fine, I mean I don't agree, I think Eli can modify his game to a different scheme but if you don't think that I can't blame you he hasn't shown much ability with the short passing game in the pass.

my only point is we don't have another option...we simply can't run the 7 step drop scheme with what we have, we have to do something.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 02:05 PM
is there anything more satisfying than pooping on company time?!? There could be things...but that's a pretty good one....

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:06 PM
I only buy knockoffs....they look legit though. But idk...maybe i should just keep what i have and call it quits. I have a tuck jersey also....I actually have never worn it lol
I think im going to stick with my Eli, Strahan, and Nicks(till next year)....i also have Osi, Jacobs, and KP, from past years.

I need a stra jersey. But I want early 2000s away.

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 02:17 PM
After buying Tuck and JPP jerseys 2 years in a row, I would never buy an active player jersey...probably wouldn't spend money on jerseys period anymore.
I've decided that wearing a jersey with someone else's name on it is lame.
I would only consider a Giants #11 with "Morehead" on the back.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 02:17 PM
I need a stra jersey. But I want early 2000s away.

sad that those ugly ones are STILL better than the current away jerseys lol

I have an Armstead jersey in that style/color from waaaay back when

Moke
10-18-2013, 02:18 PM
I've decided that wearing a jersey with someone else's name on it is lame.
I would only consider a Giants #11 with "Morehead" on the back.

Space it and it will be a pretty awesome experiment.

Moke
10-18-2013, 02:18 PM
is there anything more satisfying than pooping on company time?!? There could be things...but that's a pretty good one....

Yeha, I can play a few good IO games on the toilet.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 02:22 PM
Gronk is back this week....for all those who sat him patiently on the bench for 6 weeks (like me)

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:23 PM
sad that those ugly ones are STILL better than the current away jerseys lol

I have an Armstead jersey in that style/color from waaaay back when
I think theyre real nice. Red,white and blue. Old GIANTS logo by the neck. Cant go wrong. I dont hate the current aways but Im not crazy about them. I really hope we keep the white pants after this year.

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:24 PM
I've decided that wearing a jersey with someone else's name on it is lame.
I would only consider a Giants #11 with "Morehead" on the back.
meeeh

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 02:27 PM
I think theyre real nice. Red,white and blue. Old GIANTS logo by the neck. Cant go wrong. I dont hate the current aways but Im not crazy about them. I really hope we keep the white pants after this year.
Everybody is different but to me the Giants away jersey's are worse than most high school uniforms.
Easily the worst uniforms in the NFL.

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 02:28 PM
meeeh
I would also consider my actual last name. Looks really good in print.

Moke
10-18-2013, 02:29 PM
I would also consider my actual last name. Looks really good in print.

Like an offensive lineman type of name in my opinion

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 02:36 PM
Like an offensive lineman type of name in my opinion

hmm...what would Percesepe be? lol

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:36 PM
Everybody is different but to me the Giants away jersey's are worse than most high school uniforms.
Easily the worst uniforms in the NFL.

Cant argue with that. My highschool had nice jerseys, kind of look like the falcons

You should get a Pugh jersey. NO ONE ever gets an o line men jersey!

Morehead State
10-18-2013, 02:38 PM
Cant argue with that. My highschool had nice jerseys, kind of look like the falcons
Ours look like stock jersey's from the local sporting goods store.

Moke
10-18-2013, 02:43 PM
hmm...what would Percesepe be? lol

That is tough, I would say Linebacker. I like it

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 02:44 PM
Ours look like stock jersey's from the local sporting goods store.

correct lol. like the stuff you get for your football team's practice jerseys..

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:46 PM
correct lol. like the stuff you get for your football team's practice jerseys..

Besides the strips on the arms they are the practice jerseys haha

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 02:54 PM
The more talking this team does, the more pissed I get. I dont know why I havnt been as irritated as I am now, maybe I was still high off of 2 lombardis in 5 years. The things Tuck is saying is dishearting. You would never hear Stra say this ****. So negative. Im not crazy about Elis comments either but at least hes trying to stay positive and keep fighting. Tuck sounds like a baby

Moke
10-18-2013, 03:00 PM
Tampa beating Atlanta, would that be an upset in this point of the season?

Talking football.

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 03:06 PM
Tampa beating Atlanta, would that be an upset in this point of the season?

Talking football.yes

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 03:26 PM
Atlanta is looking pretty weak right now....

Moke
10-18-2013, 03:30 PM
Atlanta is looking pretty weak right now....

That's why I asked. Doesn't seem like anyone is the underdog lol

Rudyy
10-18-2013, 03:37 PM
The more talking this team does, the more pissed I get. I dont know why I havnt been as irritated as I am now, maybe I was still high off of 2 lombardis in 5 years. The things Tuck is saying is dishearting. You would never hear Stra say this ****. So negative. Im not crazy about Elis comments either but at least hes trying to stay positive and keep fighting. Tuck sounds like a babyTuck has been talking forever now.

Remember all the talking he did in the offseason about him playing his *** off and stuff? I wanted him to back it up soo bad. I really like Tuck, but it's so disappointing.

gumby74
10-18-2013, 03:38 PM
is there anything more satisfying than pooping on company time?!? There could be things...but that's a pretty good one....

Knowing you can clog the toilet and someone else will be there to clean it up is great.

Moke
10-18-2013, 03:39 PM
> gets paid
> money all gone already
> when is pay day

All on the same day, or maybe 2 days.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 03:41 PM
That's why I asked. Doesn't seem like anyone is the underdog lol

still more talent in atlanta....

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 03:42 PM
Knowing you can clog the toilet and someone else will be there to clean it up is great.

lmao

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 03:43 PM
> gets paid
> money all gone already
> when is pay day

All on the same day, or maybe 2 days.

I feel ya man...

Just got a new place, and 3 days after pay day, my bank account was lower than it was prior to pay day....guess im gonna have to set up new minimums in my head =(

I'm now living in HISTORIC HYDE PARK!!! lol
Home of FDR. Set of Hyde Park on the Hudson... >.<

Moke
10-18-2013, 03:51 PM
I feel ya man...

Just got a new place, and 3 days after pay day, my bank account was lower than it was prior to pay day....guess im gonna have to set up new minimums in my head =(

I'm now living in HISTORIC HYDE PARK!!! lol
Home of FDR. Set of Hyde Park on the Hudson... >.<

Is it nice at least?

Rudyy
10-18-2013, 03:54 PM
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1384050_610188125694546_998049250_n.jpg

Moke
10-18-2013, 03:55 PM
What a slut, who would trade Peyton Manning?

Rudyy
10-18-2013, 03:59 PM
What a slut, who would trade Peyton Manning?It's so funny because during the draft, I was seriously about to pick Tom Brady but then I remembered that Hernandez likes shooting people and Gronk likes surgeries.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 04:04 PM
Is it nice at least?

the place? or the area?

the place is awesome. i really like it.

the area of hyde park is soooo weird. a lot of nice areas, but then for some reason there's just so much white trash that floats around the area, i dont even get it.

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 04:05 PM
It's so funny because during the draft, I was seriously about to pick Tom Brady but then I remembered that Hernandez likes shooting people and Gronk likes surgeries.

yea well.....Gronk is about to put up 180 yards and 3 TDs against the awful jets secondary this week lol

Rudyy
10-18-2013, 04:06 PM
yea well.....Gronk is about to put up 180 yards and 3 TDs against the awful jets secondary this week lol
If you think he's going to explode and start tearing it up again, you're delusional lol.

And the Jets have the 4th ranked defense in the league.

Moke
10-18-2013, 04:07 PM
It's so funny because during the draft, I was seriously about to pick Tom Brady but then I remembered that Hernandez likes shooting people and Gronk likes surgeries.

I avoided Ray Rice too

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 04:07 PM
If you think he's going to explode and start tearing it up again, you're delusional lol.

umm...
did you see what he did in just 11 games last year? after injury?? the guy's name should be STUD CENTRAL instead...

Rudyy
10-18-2013, 04:09 PM
umm...
did you see what he did in just 11 games last year? after injury?? the guy's name should be STUD CENTRAL instead...I don't think he's going to be THAT good in one game. He might start getting back to old Gronk, but I don't think it will be that soon, that fast.

Moke
10-18-2013, 04:11 PM
umm...
did you see what he did in just 11 games last year? after injury?? the guy's name should be STUD CENTRAL instead...

Yeah, picking Pats to win +4.

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 06:22 PM
yea well.....Gronk is about to put up 180 yards and 3 TDs against the awful jets secondary this week lolI think the jets keep it tight at least until the 3rd.

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 06:23 PM
Tuck has been talking forever now.

Remember all the talking he did in the offseason about him playing his *** off and stuff? I wanted him to back it up soo bad. I really like Tuck, but it's so disappointing.

He keeps it up I might have to rename my dog

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 06:58 PM
He keeps it up I might have to rename my dog

poor pup....

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 07:00 PM
I think the jets keep it tight at least until the 3rd.

Jets have a **** secondary...i dont see it happening. all their defense is to stop the run. their LBs, safeties and corners are rather doo doo

dezzzR
10-18-2013, 07:40 PM
poor pup....I call him ****er most the time any way

JPizzack
10-18-2013, 07:47 PM
I call him ****er most the time any way

worst dad everrrrrrrr

Morehead State
10-20-2013, 09:21 AM
Thank you to God's team for saving my fall.

Go Sox!!!!!

BurnerNYG
10-20-2013, 09:50 AM
Thank you to God's team for saving my fall.

Go Sox!!!!!Boooooooooo lol I'm in Mass right now. Hot 93.7 converted to some Boston sports talk show.

Morehead State
10-20-2013, 07:57 PM
Boooooooooo lol I'm in Mass right now. Hot 93.7 converted to some Boston sports talk show.
The Red Sox represent all that is good.....

This is our ****** CITY!!!!!!!

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 10:59 AM
Who elses city would it be?

Moke
10-21-2013, 11:01 AM
The Red Sox represent all that is good.....

This is our ****** CITY!!!!!!!

Vomit, I hate fans like this lol

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 11:05 AM
Vomit, I hate fans like this lol
You know you love Good Ol' Morehead.
You may be troubled by this fact but it doesn't change the truth.

Moke
10-21-2013, 11:11 AM
You know you love Good Ol' Morehead.
You may be troubled by this fact but it doesn't change the truth.

Just kidding, just kidding man

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 12:22 PM
Jets have a **** secondary...i dont see it happening. all their defense is to stop the run. their LBs, safeties and corners are rather doo doo
:0

Moke
10-21-2013, 12:35 PM
:0

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 12:38 PM
I thought the world would end when Brady threw a pick 6

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 12:49 PM
:0

I tried to educate him. The Jets defense is top 5 in the league.

Moke
10-21-2013, 12:50 PM
Bradford, Reggie Wayne, Doug Martin torn ACLs?

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 01:00 PM
Bradford, Reggie Wayne, Doug Martin torn ACLs?

Doug Martin has a torn labrum in his shoulder.

Moke
10-21-2013, 01:01 PM
Doug Martin has a torn labrum in his shoulder.

Oht hought it was ACL, he's still out for the year

Essentially, that was the point haha

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Oht hought it was ACL, he's still out for the year

Essentially, that was the point haha

I know haha.

Moke
10-21-2013, 01:13 PM
I know haha.

Cushing out with LCL, WHAT THE.

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 01:13 PM
So, Cardinals in 6?

Moke
10-21-2013, 01:13 PM
Girlfriend gave me gift cards to best buy, preordered COD Ghosts AND Madden 25 for the PS4. yeahs

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 01:20 PM
I think Im going to wait on the next gen consuls a bit. Not really any games out for them yet.

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 01:40 PM
So, Cardinals in 6?
In your dreams De.

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 01:48 PM
In your dreams De.

I have dejavu a lot.

Moke
10-21-2013, 01:59 PM
I think Im going to wait on the next gen consuls a bit. Not really any games out for them yet.

Nope, none. But I really don't want to wait while everyone I know gets them.

I have the $$$ for it, it's practically free considering I have a lot of gift cards and points from credit cards, so I don't care.

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Change your sig you nancy

Moke
10-21-2013, 02:54 PM
Change your sig you nancy

Nope, hopefully it's like a jinx

gumby74
10-21-2013, 03:29 PM
The pop tarts in the vending machine down the hall are starting to give me looks ...

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 05:30 PM
The pop tarts in the vending machine down the hall are starting to give me looks ...
Don't do it, they are horrible for ya.

gumby74
10-21-2013, 05:32 PM
Don't do it, they are horrible for ya.

i know. they look better than they taste. Kind of like those hostess pies. haha.

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 05:35 PM
i know. they look better than they taste. Kind of like those hostess pies. haha.
Those were so good to me when I was little. Now they taste terrible and are terrible haha.

gumby74
10-21-2013, 05:47 PM
Those were so good to me when I was little. Now they taste terrible and are terrible haha.

although the one hostess product I loved and still love are those butterscotch crimpets .... those are amazing ..

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 06:25 PM
although the one hostess product I loved and still love are those butterscotch crimpets .... those are amazing ..
Hostess Cupcakes are the food of the Gods!

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 06:27 PM
Hostess Cupcakes are the food of the Gods!
Ugh...no Morehead, no!

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 06:42 PM
Ugh...no Morehead, no!
See this is what you will not see until you are much older and your kids are out of the house, living their lives.
You don't have to be responsible anymore. "Empty Nest" is an invitation to recapture your childhood....only with nobody to yell at you.

In other words......It's friggin awesome!
So Hostess Cupcakes and Diet Coke for breakfast. Why!.....because I can!

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 06:49 PM
See this is what you will not see until you are much older and your kids are out of the house, living their lives.
You don't have to be responsible anymore. "Empty Nest" is an invitation to recapture your childhood....only with nobody to yell at you.

In other words......It's friggin awesome!
So Hostess Cupcakes and Diet Coke for breakfast. Why!.....because I can!Seriously, you eat like the professors at my school haha.

My dad is enjoying his empty nesting. Mother? Not so much.

She misses "her babies", and I'm in my 3rd year of college and my brother is graduating!!

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 06:51 PM
Seriously, you eat like the professors at my school haha.

My dad is enjoying his empty nesting. Mother? Not so much.

She misses "her babies", and I'm in my 3rd year of college and my brother is graduating!!
I miss my girls something awful.
But I make the most of it by being a complete idiot.

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 06:53 PM
I miss my girls something awful.
But I make the most of it by being a complete idiot.

That's sweet.
Hahahaha I almost said "I wish my mother could become a complete idiot."

Never stop being an idiot, I know many people find it nauseating but it's awesome!

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 06:57 PM
That's sweet.
Hahahaha I almost said "I wish my mother could become a complete idiot."

Never stop being an idiot, I know many people find it nauseating but it's awesome!
I don't know if its awesome for the people around me, but its great for me.

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 07:12 PM
I don't know if its awesome for the people around me, but its great for me.
Don't worry about other people, they suck. Take Moke for example.

Morehead State
10-21-2013, 07:50 PM
Don't worry about other people, they suck. Take Moke for example.
Excellent point!

dezzzR
10-21-2013, 07:57 PM
Those were so good to me when I was little. Now they taste terrible and are terrible haha.

whaaaat?? ya crazy. with a nice glass of milk, hmmm. Devil dogs too.
Diet soda is gross, and bad for you. Some studies have shown it can be worse for your liver than booze

byron
10-21-2013, 08:20 PM
See this is what you will not see until you are much older and your kids are out of the house, living their lives.
You don't have to be responsible anymore. "Empty Nest" is an invitation to recapture your childhood....only with nobody to yell at you.

In other words......It's friggin awesome!
So Hostess Cupcakes and Diet Coke for breakfast. Why!.....because I can! i take my coke strait up but yeah

Rudyy
10-21-2013, 08:48 PM
whaaaat?? ya crazy. with a nice glass of milk, hmmm. Devil dogs too.
Diet soda is gross, and bad for you. Some studies have shown it can be worse for your liver than boozeGrosSsSsSsS

Twinkies are OKAY, but that's the only Hostess snack that I will even look at.

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:08 AM
what a boring game last night. They still looked like ****.

gumby74
10-22-2013, 11:16 AM
GrosSsSsSsS

Twinkies are OKAY, but that's the only Hostess snack that I will even look at.

try the crimpets. they are the best.
butter scotch goodness.

gumby74
10-22-2013, 11:17 AM
what a boring game last night. They still looked like ****. We looked terrible. I turned it off at the end of the 3rd quarter.

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:21 AM
We looked terrible. I turned it off at the end of the 3rd quarter.I passed out around the middle of the 3rd and woke up to Espn saying that was the worst MNF game they ever seen lol

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:23 AM
I thought Gruden did a good job showing just how terrible our oline is. Teams blitz right up the middle almost every play. Vikings secondary is garbage but still played well against our wrs. How many drops did Nicks have last night?

Morehead State
10-22-2013, 11:25 AM
I passed out around the middle of the 3rd and woke up to Espn saying that was the worst MNF game they ever seen lol
They must have never seen Giants/Cards, 1983. 20-20 tie.

It was easily the worst MNF game of all time. This was bad though.

Morehead State
10-22-2013, 11:26 AM
I thought Gruden did a good job showing just how terrible our oline is. Teams blitz right up the middle almost every play. Vikings secondary is garbage but still played well against our wrs. How many drops did Nicks have last night?
I saw 2.

Rudyy
10-22-2013, 11:34 AM
Haha at the end of the 3rd I was like ugh we have another quarter :(

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:36 AM
Justin Tuck actually showed up last night. hurray

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:37 AM
Haha at the end of the 3rd I was like ugh we have another quarter :(

nice sig

DavenIII
10-22-2013, 11:38 AM
No O-line last night again...well Jared Allen is pretty awesome so you have to give him some credit...but my lord can Eli have more then 6 tenths of a second to at least finish a 3 step drop before having to dodge someone?

that said I really like Peyton Hillis...I hope he becomes our #1 back instead of using Jacobs or Brown or Cox or whoever.

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:38 AM
I saw 2.

I saw 2 drops on slants and one on a hook, i believe.

dezzzR
10-22-2013, 11:41 AM
No O-line last night again...well Jared Allen is pretty awesome so you have to give him some credit...but my lord can Eli have more then 6 tenths of a second to at least finish a 3 step drop before having to dodge someone?

that said I really like Peyton Hillis...I hope he becomes our #1 back instead of using Jacobs or Brown or Cox or whoever.
I want Brown back. Hillis and Brown will be a nice combo. Losing Brown early in the season really hurt us in my opinion.

Morehead State
10-22-2013, 11:42 AM
No O-line last night again...well Jared Allen is pretty awesome so you have to give him some credit...but my lord can Eli have more then 6 tenths of a second to at least finish a 3 step drop before having to dodge someone?

that said I really like Peyton Hillis...I hope he becomes our #1 back instead of using Jacobs or Brown or Cox or whoever.
I like Hillis because he catches the ball well out of the backfield. Eli needs an outlet on third down.
But I don't see him as our starter. That has to go to BJ ( iguess) Don't know what the prognosis is for Wilson. And Brown will be back week 10. We should be 3-6 when he comes back.

gumby74
10-22-2013, 12:02 PM
What's interesting is this. We could potentially have a ton of cap room next season (30 mill assuming cuts etc) and a top 10 pick. We now have a chance to re-allocate our money. So where do you put it? We definitely need a couple of "quick fix" linemen. We don't need anything super expensive though. However, do you assume Eli will return to "form" and keep most of your money on the offense or do you turn Eli into game manager and put the money and emphasis on the defense to keep us in games.

I'm more inclined put more money into the offense and then draft defense. We're going to live and die with Eli. We have 20 million bottled up in him. If we're to win another SB, he needs to play like it.

Rudyy
10-22-2013, 12:46 PM
nice sig
Gracias.