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JPizzack
05-05-2014, 03:40 PM
It's just a Johnny Manziel vid.

weak....I give ZERO ****S about that guy...

BigBlueBoricua
05-05-2014, 03:43 PM
weak....I give ZERO ****S about that guy...

Yep, Johnny Football........puuuuulllleeeaaaase......

JPizzack
05-05-2014, 03:50 PM
Yep, Johnny Football........puuuuulllleeeaaaase......

None of the QBs in this draft class really stand out to me. I can't wait to root for Bortles or something, wherever he ends up, just to further rag on Manziel. lol

(I take that back, if Bortles ends up on dallas or philly or something, he's dead to me lol)

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 03:52 PM
None of the QBs in this draft class really stand out to me. I can't wait to root for Bortles or something, wherever he ends up, just to further rag on Manziel. lol

(I take that back, if Bortles ends up on dallas or philly or something, he's dead to me lol)
Lol some nut job on here wants us to draft Logan Thomas.

BigBlueBoricua
05-05-2014, 03:52 PM
None of the QBs in this draft class really stand out to me. I can't wait to root for Bortles or something, wherever he ends up, just to further rag on Manziel. lol

(I take that back, if Bortles ends up on dallas or philly or something, he's dead to me lol)

Yeah I like Bortles as well. But Man...... sooooo much hype with these QBs. I don't really think any of them can cut the mustard, but time will tell.

JPizzack
05-05-2014, 03:54 PM
Lol some nut job on here wants us to draft Logan Thomas.

well i dont even know who that is...so.....

JPizzack
05-05-2014, 03:57 PM
Yeah I like Bortles as well. But Man...... sooooo much hype with these QBs. I don't really think any of them can cut the mustard, but time will tell.

nah...and most QBs dont work out, especially coming out of the gate as a rookie. I mean....who has really?? Andrew Luck?? case could be made about Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford I suppose....but those guys have skewed records as far as I'm concerned....both were drafted with top 5 WRs on their respective teams lol

I'm actually a huge Stafford fan, as he's from UGA....but everyone knows that if he played for the Raiders or something, he'd be only slightly better than someone like Carson Palmer lol

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 03:57 PM
well i dont even know who that is...so.....He sucks.

that's all you need to know.

gmen0820
05-05-2014, 04:02 PM
nah...and most QBs dont work out, especially coming out of the gate as a rookie. I mean....who has really?? Andrew Luck?? case could be made about Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford I suppose....but those guys have skewed records as far as I'm concerned....both were drafted with top 5 WRs on their respective teams lol

I'm actually a huge Stafford fan, as he's from UGA....but everyone knows that if he played for the Raiders or something, he'd be only slightly better than someone like Carson Palmer lolLuck, RG3, Wilson, Newton, Dalton, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco since 2008.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 04:04 PM
Russell Wilson. GREATEST EVER.

JPizzack
05-05-2014, 04:10 PM
Luck, RG3, Wilson, Newton, Dalton, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco since 2008.

Flacco MIGHT be the most overhyped, overrated QB of the past 15 years.
I also think Matt Ryan no...Dalton no...they all have top 5 WRs....

throw them on the ****ty teams....

the rest, aside from Luck....have been up and down...no consistency

gmen0820
05-05-2014, 04:19 PM
Flacco MIGHT be the most overhyped, overrated QB of the past 15 years.
I also think Matt Ryan no...Dalton no...they all have top 5 WRs....

throw them on the ****ty teams....

the rest, aside from Luck....have been up and down...no consistencyOverhyped, overrated, whatever you want to call it -- those QBs have "worked out."

That said, this QB class is more 2010/2013 than it is 2008/2012.

I think Manziel could come in and have some immediate success with improv plays and highlight reels, but we'll see if he can attain sustained success.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 04:39 PM
Russell Wilson. GREATEST EVER.

hmmm not really.

BigBlueBoricua
05-05-2014, 04:44 PM
Marvin Austin signed with Denver. Ooooooooh....

egyptian420
05-05-2014, 04:57 PM
Marvin Austin signed with Denver. Ooooooooh....

Lol I remember when one of my Dallas fan buddies had aspirations of him reinventing himself in Dallas..... Didn't end too well there

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 05:32 PM
Go out and buy a NY Giant pillow pet. Youre welcome.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 06:30 PM
hmmm not really.

Really.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 06:46 PM
It's just a Johnny Manziel vid.
You mean........our next QB????

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 06:47 PM
You mean........our next QB????
Enough, Jakk.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 06:56 PM
Really.Prove it

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 07:01 PM
Enough, Jakk.
Honestly.....if Blake Bortles is there at 12....we better take him.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 07:05 PM
Honestly.....if Blake Bortles is there at 12....we better take him.

It doesnt matter who we pick, youre going to *****. I cant wait.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 07:07 PM
It doesnt matter who we pick, youre going to *****. I cant wait.
Plenty of guys I would be happy with.
I've actually been happy with most of JR's #1 picks.

I still want us to trade down and get Marqise Lee and add another #2.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 07:21 PM
Honestly.....if Blake Bortles is there at 12....we better take him.

Hell no we should not.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 07:54 PM
Hell no we should not.
So 10+ more years of a franchise QB doesn't interest you?

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 07:57 PM
So 10+ more years of a franchise QB doesn't interest you?

Who is to say that he will be in the league for 10+ years?

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 08:12 PM
Who is to say that he will be in the league for 10+ years?
Bortles is the next Big Ben.

(who we should have drafted in the first place back in 2004)


Hahahaha!!!!!

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:17 PM
Bortles is the next Big Ben.

(who we should have drafted in the first place back in 2004)


Hahahaha!!!!!Uh-huh, I'm sure.

We're not drafting him, it doesn't make any sense right now.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:28 PM
So 10+ more years of a franchise QB doesn't interest you?

Eli has at least another 3 years in him, in my opinion. I dont disagree with your approach but the timing is a bit premature. We have more pressing needs on both lines. Maybe next year.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:30 PM
Rudey actually has a cool sig?!?!? OMG

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:30 PM
Rudey actually has a cool sig?!?!? OMG

You're still an idiot? OM- not surprised.

gmen0820
05-05-2014, 08:34 PM
Eli has at least another 3 years in him, in my opinion. I dont disagree with your approach but the timing is a bit premature. We have more pressing needs on both lines. Maybe next year.Doesn't matter how many years he has left after 2014 if we don't re-sign him.

Drafting a QB in the 1st would effectively seal the deal on Eli's future as a Giant. I'm not sure we can make that decision at this point.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:36 PM
Doesn't matter how many years he has left after 2014 if we don't re-sign him.

Drafting a QB in the 1st would effectively seal the deal on Eli's future as a Giant. I'm not sure we can make that decision at this point.
Right.
If you were to draft a QB that high in the 1st, then Eli is pretty much done, and that's not fair to him.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:38 PM
You're still an idiot? OM- not surprised.

Terrible comeback.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:39 PM
Terrible comeback.It wasn't.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:43 PM
Doesn't matter how many years he has left after 2014 if we don't re-sign him.

Drafting a QB in the 1st would effectively seal the deal on Eli's future as a Giant. I'm not sure we can make that decision at this point.
Yea It would be a huge slap in the face to Eli, but MH does have a point. Giants should always be looking towards the future. Draft a young QB and have Eli teach him isnt a bad idea

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 08:45 PM
Yea It would be a huge slap in the face to Eli, but MH does have a point. Giants should always be looking towards the future. Draft a young QB and have Eli teach him isnt a bad idea
The NFL is a cold business. Eli was the 36th best QB last year in a league of 32 teams.
I promise you...if Tom Brady threw 9 more int's that TD's.....they would be looking to draft another QB.

And he's arguably top 3 all time.
Why is Eli so untouchable?

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:45 PM
Yea It would be a huge slap in the face to Eli, but MH does have a point. Giants should always be looking towards the future. Draft a young QB and have Eli teach him isnt a bad idea

Which is why we are waiting on Nassib.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:46 PM
The NFL is a cold business. Eli was the 36th best QB last year in a league of 32 teams.

So you don't think Eli will improve, and thus you want to draft Blake Bortles at 12.
I see.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 08:49 PM
So you don't think Eli will improve, and thus you want to draft Blake Bortles at 12.
I see.
I think there is a chance that Eli can be serviceable for the next 2 years.
Sit the kid and have him take over in 2016.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:51 PM
I think there is a chance that Eli can be serviceable for the next 2 years.
Sit the kid and have him take over in 2016.
If you draft him that high, I would play him right away.
No way I take a QB at 12 with so many more needs on this team to just sit him, along with Nassib.

byron
05-05-2014, 08:52 PM
Doesn't matter how many years he has left after 2014 if we don't re-sign him.

Drafting a QB in the 1st would effectively seal the deal on Eli's future as a Giant. I'm not sure we can make that decision at this point. me either Bill ....the presure is on him to have good year.....as for the draft it will be some big guy

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:54 PM
The NFL is a cold business. Eli was the 36th best QB last year in a league of 32 teams.
I promise you...if Tom Brady threw 9 more int's that TD's.....they would be looking to draft another QB.

And he's arguably top 3 all time.
Why is Eli so untouchable?No way Bill would throw Brady to the curb over one bad season.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 08:54 PM
If you draft him that high, I would play him right away.
No way I take a QB at 12 with so many more needs on this team to just sit him, along with Nassib.

I wouldn't draft Johnny football (although I LOVE the guy), Bridgewater or Carr. But I would draft Bortles. He's a good guy to sit because he's still a tad raw. A year or two sitting would do him good.

May I remind you of the case of a Mr. Aaron Rodgers?

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:55 PM
The NFL is a cold business. Eli was the 36th best QB last year in a league of 32 teams.
I promise you...if Tom Brady threw 9 more int's that TD's.....they would be looking to draft another QB.

And he's arguably top 3 all time.
Why is Eli so untouchable?He's not untouchable, but there's no reason to overreact and assume a QB will be the face of the franchise for 10+ years without definitive proof.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 08:55 PM
Which is why we are waiting on Nassib.

I know we havnt seen much of him, but I doubt hes the answer.

Morehead State
05-05-2014, 08:55 PM
No way Bill would throw Brady to the curb over one bad season.
"Bad season"?.......Maybe not.

"All time horrific"......like Eli last year?..........Absolutely.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:57 PM
I wouldn't draft Johnny football (although I LOVE the guy), Bridgewater or Carr. But I would draft Bortles. He's a good guy to sit because he's still a tad raw. A year or two sitting would do him good.

May I remind you of the case of a Mr. Aaron Rodgers?Yes, and not every QB is a Mr. Aaron Rodgers.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 08:58 PM
I know we havnt seen much of him, but I doubt hes the answer.

I'm not suggesting he's the answer or not the answer.

I'm saying we do not know yet. We need to see if he can progress with a good amount of minutes, and we need to see if Eli improves.
It's not fair to start kicking Eli to the curb without seeing any evidence if last season was just an anomaly.

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 09:03 PM
"Bad season"?.......Maybe not.

"All time horrific"......like Eli last year?..........Absolutely.Again no way in hell. The guys been to the SB 5 times. I think BB would be willing to roll the dice to see if it was just a fluke.

Do you really think we should risk a first rounder on a QB just because of a horrific year from a solid and accomplished veteran QB on a horrific team?

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 09:10 PM
I hate em but the Penguins are really good.

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 09:18 PM
hockey blows

dezzzR
05-05-2014, 09:33 PM
hockey blows

Youre suppose to be rooting for the NY Blue Rudy. Teeeeeeeeeeeeerrible person...

Rudyy
05-05-2014, 09:46 PM
Youre suppose to be rooting for the NY Blue Rudy. Teeeeeeeeeeeeerrible person...

i'm sorry for breaking your heart.

Aufidius
05-06-2014, 06:31 AM
Again no way in hell. The guys been to the SB 5 times. I think BB would be willing to roll the dice to see if it was just a fluke.

Do you really think we should risk a first rounder on a QB just because of a horrific year from a solid and accomplished veteran QB on a horrific team?

Bill would have addressed the problem much sooner than Coughlin did if Brady had the issues Eli had last season. He wouldn't have made excuses and thrown other players under the bus the way Coughlin and Gilbride did.

I would use the 1st rounder this week on a QB that has potential to take over for Eli if that QB is available but Giants aren't going to do that.

Sarcasman
05-06-2014, 08:48 AM
Would you say they were bigger than Victor Cruz's?

I would, but I don't want to damn the guy with faint praise.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 09:11 AM
2 days ago till the draft boys! Damn I'm getting excited

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 09:39 AM
I wouldn't draft Johnny football (although I LOVE the guy), Bridgewater or Carr. But I would draft Bortles. He's a good guy to sit because he's still a tad raw. A year or two sitting would do him good.

May I remind you of the case of a Mr. Aaron Rodgers?

Bortles is the only decent QB of the lot that I could see having a good pro career.
Aaron Rodgers was drafted when Favre was 36 years old. I think that's totally different.

There's no way we're drafting a QB in the first round this year. I'd say it's about a 1% chance.
If we do.....we're throwing the 2014 season. It's a guaranteed tanking.

byron
05-06-2014, 09:55 AM
Bortles is the only decent QB of the lot that I could see having a good pro career.
Aaron Rodgers was drafted when Favre was 36 years old. I think that's totally different.

There's no way we're drafting a QB in the first round this year. I'd say it's about a 1% chance.
If we do.....we're throwing the 2014 season. It's a guaranteed tanking. yeah I'd agree I don't think picking a QB this year makes since fix the damn lines

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 10:10 AM
Bortles is the only decent QB of the lot that I could see having a good pro career.
Aaron Rodgers was drafted when Favre was 36 years old. I think that's totally different.

There's no way we're drafting a QB in the first round this year. I'd say it's about a 1% chance.
If we do.....we're throwing the 2014 season. It's a guaranteed tanking.
I'm sure you're right but putting Eli's horrific play aside....We have also seen that his resistance to injury may be a thing of the past. I doubt he'll be as lucky in his mid 30's in that regard as he was as a younger man.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 10:30 AM
I'm sure you're right but putting Eli's horrific play aside....We have also seen that his resistance to injury may be a thing of the past. I doubt he'll be as lucky in his mid 30's in that regard as he was as a younger man.

Sure....but I also dont think that means he can't play at a high level with decent talent around him. We'll find out. Even if Eli has a decent season this year, that makes me much more confident for the next few.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 10:32 AM
Sure....but I also dont think that means he can't play at a high level with decent talent around him. We'll find out. Even if Eli has a decent season this year, that makes me much more confident for the next few.
IF he has plenty of time.
IF he has a good running game.
IF he has WR's who can separate.
IF he figures out not to throw it to the other team.

He can be effective.
(Of course so could almost any QB in the league given these conditions)

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 10:35 AM
I laughed my *** off at this one.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/148106_532424220119127_204687201_n.jpg

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 10:40 AM
IF he has plenty of time.
IF he has a good running game.
IF he has WR's who can separate.
IF he figures out not to throw it to the other team.

He can be effective.
(Of course so could almost any QB in the league given these conditions)

every good QB needs at least 3 of those things lol

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:05 AM
Bill would have addressed the problem much sooner than Coughlin did if Brady had the issues Eli had last season. He wouldn't have made excuses and thrown other players under the bus the way Coughlin and Gilbride did.

I would use the 1st rounder this week on a QB that has potential to take over for Eli if that QB is available but Giants aren't going to do that.Who did they throw under the bus? Nicks? Give me a break.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:07 AM
I'm sure you're right but putting Eli's horrific play aside....We have also seen that his resistance to injury may be a thing of the past. I doubt he'll be as lucky in his mid 30's in that regard as he was as a younger man.

So youre saying we should draft a QB because our current QB might get injured.....Welcome to the NFL buddy.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:08 AM
I laughed my *** off at this one.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/148106_532424220119127_204687201_n.jpg

lmao.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 11:12 AM
2 reasons why we don't need to draft a QB in this draft:

1) Gotta give Eli another chance to redeem that pathetic performance from last year, better protection would be a 'bonus' as Reese would say.

2) Atleast see what Nassib could do before the 2015 draft. The kid's done nothing so far for us to give up on him merely a year after his signing and never playing.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:17 AM
2 reasons why we don't need to draft a QB in this draft:

1) Gotta give Eli another chance to redeem that pathetic performance from last year, better protection would be a 'bonus' as Reese would say.

2) Atleast see what Nassib could do before the 2015 draft. The kid's done nothing so far for us to give up on him merely a year after his signing and never playing.

We shouldnt even play Eli in the preseason....just Nassib..lol

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 11:29 AM
We shouldnt even play Eli in the preseason....just Nassib..lol

I'd be fine with that but I wanna see Eli just for a bit to see how this McAdoo system will function.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 11:32 AM
So youre saying we should draft a QB because our current QB might get injured.....Welcome to the NFL buddy.
No...I'm saying that if Bortles drops to us we should consider drafting him because our QB is getting older and is clearly in decline.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 11:35 AM
We shouldnt even play Eli in this season....just Nassib..lol

Good for you Pizzey.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:37 AM
No...I'm saying that if Bortles drops to us we should consider drafting him because our QB is getting older and is clearly in decline.
I think youre jumping gun on that assumption.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:42 AM
http://www.giants101.com/2014/05/05/new-york-giants-rashad-jennings-a-fan-of-ben-mcadoos-offensive-system/

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:47 AM
No...I'm saying that if Bortles drops to us we should consider drafting him because our QB is getting older and is clearly in decline.

I'm not convinced any of the QBs are going top 10....for us to take him would be a joke.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 11:47 AM
I think youre jumping gun on that assumption.

I'm actually not that confident with him in the new system either. He's not a guy with good touch in the short passing game. He's a downfield, 7 step drop kind of passer and always has been.

I see a lot of whining form the Eli adorers about tipped balls being picked off this season.

I do agree that he can't be as bad as he was last year..........Could he?

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:48 AM
I think youre jumping gun on that assumption.

he is. let's not feed the trolls anymore for the day =]

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 11:51 AM
he is. let's not feed the trolls anymore for the day =]
I'm hungry.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:54 AM
I do agree that he can't be as bad as he was last year..........Could he?

I highly doubt it. the BIGGEST uncertainty with our current roster is something we never seem to talk about, but always seems to be a huge issue:
INJURIES!!!

they destroy us, and last year we just ran on fumes. I dont think Eli has regressed....I think he just couldnt put together a season when everyone around him dropping like flies. It was a bit much to put on his shoulders...especially with Nicks being invisible, and not having a TE to bail him out, and scraps in the backfield. The offense was suuuuch a joke.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:54 AM
I'm actually not that confident with him in the new system either. He's not a guy with good touch in the short passing game. He's a downfield, 7 step drop kind of passer and always has been.

I see a lot of whining form the Eli adorers about tipped balls being picked off this season.

I do agree that he can't be as bad as he was last year..........Could he?
Tipped balls are on the WR in most cases, in my opinion.

Youre such a downer.
Positive energy please MH. Namaste

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 11:56 AM
i'm sorry for breaking your heart.

Nothing new. Youre always a huge disappointment. :)

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:57 AM
Tipped balls are on the WR in most cases, in my opinion.

Youre such a downer.
Positive energy please MH. Namaste

Yea, and to be honest, im tired of people suggesting otherwise. if a ball touches your hands....its on you. you have one ****ing job: get open & catch a pass.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 11:58 AM
I highly doubt it. the BIGGEST uncertainty with our current roster is something we never seem to talk about, but always seems to be a huge issue:
INJURIES!!!

they destroy us, and last year we just ran on fumes. I dont think Eli has regressed....I think he just couldnt put together a season when everyone around him dropping like flies. It was a bit much to put on his shoulders...especially with Nicks being invisible, and not having a TE to bail him out, and scraps in the backfield. The offense was suuuuch a joke.
Well here's another uncertainty......The O line.

Yes JR did a nice job by bringing in Schwartz and other guys for depth. So what do we have?

We STILL have Beatty at LT who was our biggest problem last year. Coming off a broken leg. So if he can't go we will have Brown (who was benched by Payton last year) at LT. We have a center who hasn't played football since early 2012. (not early 2013,,,,,,,early 2012). We have an aging, injury prone RG coming off major surgery who claims to "feel great" right now......And we expect him to survive and NFL season?

How our O line will shape up is the biggest question mark on this football team.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 11:59 AM
Well here's another uncertainty......The O line.

Yes JR did a nice job by bringing in Schwartz and other guys for depth. So what do we have?

We STILL have Beatty at LT who was our biggest problem last year. Coming off a broken leg. So if he can't go we will have Brown (who was benched by Payton last year) at LT. We have a center who hasn't played football since early 2012. (not early 2013,,,,,,,early 2012). We have an aging, injury prone RG coming off major surgery who claims to "feel great" right now......And we expect him to survive and NFL season?

How our O line will shape up is the biggest question mark on this football team.

unquestionably....

thing is: we're already in better shape than how last season ended....and lets be honest, that's a good thing. But of course....
We're DEFINITELY drafting more than 1 starter this year, and I'm pretty sure one of them is on OL

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 12:00 PM
Yea, and to be honest, im tired of people suggesting otherwise. if a ball touches your hands....its on you. you have one ****ing job: get open & catch a pass.
You can blame whoever you want but high, short passes, thrown without touch get tipped and picked.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:00 PM
If Beatty sucks *** again this year can we cut him at the end of the year without any penalties? His contract is blows.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 12:02 PM
If Beatty sucks *** again this year can we cut him at the end of the year without any penalties? His contract is blows.
We owe him $15MM in guaranteed money. If we cut him after this season we will have about $10MM in dead money against the cap.
And that's after we pay him a huge salary in 2014.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:06 PM
unquestionably....

thing is: we're already in better shape than how last season ended....and lets be honest, that's a good thing. But of course....
We're DEFINITELY drafting more than 1 starter this year, and I'm pretty sure one of them is on OL
I thinkk well be in decent shape to compete for the division.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 12:09 PM
You can blame whoever you want but high, short passes, thrown without touch get tipped and picked.

I will agree that the short game is not Eli's forte....but regardless of where the WR is on the field, seeing a pass fly thru the hands or arms or bounce off the chest is the most infuriating thing to watch in football, hands down.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:13 PM
I will agree that the short game is not Eli's forte....but regardless of where the WR is on the field, seeing a pass fly thru the hands or arms or bounce off the chest is the most infuriating thing to watch in football, hands down.

Its no coincidence MH wants to draft Lee, who had a bad case of the drops last year. Its all so he can pin it on Eli. Then maybe Reese will draft a QB in the first round. Its all part of his plan.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 12:15 PM
Its no coincidence MH wants to draft Lee, who had a bad case of the drops last year. Its all so he can pin it on Eli. Then maybe Reese will draft a QB in the first round. Its all part of his plan.

lol

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:23 PM
Theres going to be another Woodstock at the same spot as the orginal, all techno dj bull****.

horrible. I hate my generation.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 12:32 PM
Theres going to be another Woodstock at the same spot as the orginal, all techno dj bull****.

horrible. I hate my generation.

probably worth mentioning that it's just a concert venue, dude....there's music there every weekend.

It's called Bethel Woods and I've been there plenty of times for concerts.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 12:35 PM
Ok, I just read what youre referring to....and whatever you heard dezz, is misinformed lol.

It's called Mysterland, it goes on every year at different locations, this time it just happens to be at Bethel Woods lol

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:41 PM
Ok, I just read what youre referring to....and whatever you heard dezz, is misinformed lol.

It's called Mysterland, it goes on every year at different locations, this time it just happens to be at Bethel Woods lolYea Iv been there a few times as well.

Yea I guess, someone just told me they were having another woodstock with ****ty robot music. Guess they were wrong.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 12:46 PM
Ali tweeted "Congrats Floyd Mayweather, maybe after you rest up we can see you rumble with Manny Pacquiao"
lol

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 12:52 PM
Its no coincidence MH wants to draft Lee, who had a bad case of the drops last year. Its all so he can pin it on Eli. Then maybe Reese will draft a QB in the first round. Its all part of his plan.
He's the best WR in the draft.
The guy makes plays.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 12:57 PM
Yea Iv been there a few times as well.

Yea I guess, someone just told me they were having another woodstock with ****ty robot music. Guess they were wrong.

nothing to do with Woodstock....just the location.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 01:07 PM
Beatty makes me sad. Very sad.

All that money for a broken leg.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 02:11 PM
Beatty makes me sad. Very sad.

All that money for a broken leg.

he's bad, and he should feel bad.

BigBlueBoricua
05-06-2014, 02:16 PM
This kid throws a hail mary and catches it himself !!!!!! Crazy !!!

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/5/5/5683416/gary-haynes-vine-if-kobe-played-football

What ???

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 02:23 PM
This kid throws a hail mary and catches it himself !!!!!! Crazy !!!

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/5/5/5683416/gary-haynes-vine-if-kobe-played-football

What ???That's pretty cool/hard to do.
Guy is fast as hell.

BigBlueBoricua
05-06-2014, 02:24 PM
That's pretty cool/hard to do.
Guy is fast as hell.

Yeah I know. I was wondering if it could have been photoshopped, but it seems legit. Crazy !

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 02:26 PM
Yeah I know. I was wondering if it could have been photoshopped, but it seems legit. Crazy !

Looks real to me, that's impressive.
He probably had to do that so many times though haha. Still pretty cool.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 02:29 PM
I can't view the video, but....assuming he can throw it high enough to compete with the distance(now we're talking NFL quality arms), i could see it being possible....but unless the guy can throw over 60 yards.....seems its just him throwing high lobs, OR it's fake.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 02:31 PM
I can't view the video, but....assuming he can throw it high enough to compete with the distance(now we're talking NFL quality arms), i could see it being possible....but unless the guy can throw over 60 yards.....seems its just him throwing high lobs, OR it's fake.
He did throw it high, but since it's a vine video..he had to catch it within 6 seconds...which is the time limit of the vine videos.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 02:35 PM
He did throw it high, but since it's a vine video..he had to catch it within 6 seconds...which is the time limit of the vine videos.

how far would you say he ran?

BigBlueBoricua
05-06-2014, 02:36 PM
how far would you say he ran?

about 2 miles......

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 02:37 PM
how far would you say he ran?
Oh that's hard to decipher from the video, hold on.

Edit: I'm going to guess and say 30-40yards.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 02:41 PM
about 2 miles......

lol.....wow...well then....that must break the land speed record by a longshot lmao

BigBlueBoricua
05-06-2014, 02:46 PM
lol.....wow...well then....that must break the land speed record by a longshot lmao

lmao !!!! The kids name is Gary Haynes. Google his pass & catch. Rudyy is right about 30 - 40 yards. Crazy.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 02:48 PM
Oh that's hard to decipher from the video, hold on.

Edit: I'm going to guess and say 30-40yards.

Yea probably around 30. Pretty impressive.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 03:20 PM
in a Grantland article discussing this years QB draft class...."all viewed as 1st round talent, with 5th rounder flaws..."

perfect way to describe it. all of them are underwhelming imo.

One GM said "Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater all walk into a room, and you can bet only one of them looks like a quarterback"

and then the writer says "Unfortunately, that description just means big, tall and white....and call me crazy but that's not exactly a great way to pick a signal caller"
lmao

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 03:27 PM
in a Grantland article discussing this years QB draft class...."all viewed as 1st round talent, with 5th rounder flaws..."

perfect way to describe it. all of them are underwhelming imo.

One GM said "Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater all walk into a room, and you can bet only one of them looks like a quarterback"

and then the writer says "Unfortunately, that description just means big, tall and white....and call me crazy but that's not exactly a great way to pick a signal caller"
lmao
Im sure the last thing on a GM's mind is what skin color their QB is going to be.

BigBlueBoricua
05-06-2014, 03:28 PM
in a Grantland article discussing this years QB draft class...."all viewed as 1st round talent, with 5th rounder flaws..."

perfect way to describe it. all of them are underwhelming imo.

One GM said "Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater all walk into a room, and you can bet only one of them looks like a quarterback"

and then the writer says "Unfortunately, that description just means big, tall and white....and call me crazy but that's not exactly a great way to pick a signal caller"
lmao

" Nassib is better than all of this years draft QBs" ........I saw a few articles stating this.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 03:35 PM
" Nassib is better than all of this years draft QBs" ........I saw a few articles stating this.

Yea i posted one of those last week...

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 03:38 PM
Im sure the last thing on a GM's mind is what skin color their QB is going to be.

It was more making fun of the term "looks like a QB"

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:01 PM
I question those who suggest that Illmatic is not the best hip-hop album of all time.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:04 PM
I question those who suggest that Illmatic is not the best hip-hop album of all time.

One of for sure.... There is no "best" album... I have like 20 that could be in a tie for that position.

Midnight Marauders is one.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:05 PM
I question those who suggest that Illmatic is not the best hip-hop album of all time.

Everyone says that....just seems like too easy of a choice for me to agree or disagree either way....idk...

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:09 PM
One of for sure.... There is no "best" album... I have like 20 that could be in a tie for that position.

Midnight Marauders is one.

I can't think of any other album that changed the game the way Illmatic did, which IMO makes it so great.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:12 PM
I actually can't think of one single hip-hop album that i listen to all the way through and like every single track.....I guess Illmatic is the CLOSEST thing....
Other albums that come close to that kind of "listenability" for me would be:
Illmatic,
36 Chambers,
Reasonable Doubt,
Mos Def - The New Danger(underrated!)

S'all I can think of off the top of my head...

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 04:14 PM
I question those who suggest that Illmatic is not the best hip-hop album of all time.
There is no "best hip hop album of all time".

They are all equally bad.

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 04:14 PM
I actually can't think of one single hip-hop album that i listen to all the way through and like every single track.....I guess Illmatic is the CLOSEST thing....Illmatic and It Was Written are really the only ones to which I can listen through every track.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:18 PM
There is no "best hip hop album of all time".

They are all equally bad.

They are not.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:18 PM
I actually can't think of one single hip-hop album that i listen to all the way through and like every single track.....I guess Illmatic is the CLOSEST thing....
Other albums that come close to that kind of "listenability" for me would be:
Illmatic,
36 Chambers,
Reasonable Doubt,
Mos Def - The New Danger(underrated!)

S'all I can think of off the top of my head...

Mos Def :)

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:19 PM
Illmatic and It Was Written are really the only ones to which I can listen through every track.

It Was Written is very underrated.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:19 PM
AZ - Doe or Die
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
Biggie - Ready to die
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
2pac - pretty much everything he released before dying

And of course, Illmatic

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:20 PM
AZ - Doe or Die
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
Biggie - Ready to die
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
2pac - pretty much everything he released before dying

And of course, Illmatic
And Illmatic is the best of all.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 04:21 PM
They are not.
You are right....

Some are bad and others are worse.


What was I thinking?

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:21 PM
Heck, I'll throw in Big Pun's Capital Punishment and Ice Cube's Death Certificate in there too

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:22 PM
You are right....

Some are bad and others are worse.


What was I thinking?

You are incapable of thinking.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:22 PM
AZ - Doe or Die
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
Biggie - Ready to die
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
2pac - pretty much everything he released before dying

And of course, Illmatic

RAKIM!!! YESSSS!!!!

Biggie...though prob my favorite, still has tracks i skip past....sorry BIG!!!

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:22 PM
Heck, I'll throw in Big Pun's Capital Punishment and Ice Cube's Death Certificate in there too

Dezz will suck your **** for the Pun compliment lmao

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:23 PM
And Illmatic is the best of all.

Lol maybe for you... And a lot of others I'll admit.

I just love them all so much in different ways equally. It's like asking me what's better between food or water.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:23 PM
Tupac got super annoying before he died

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:24 PM
Dezz will suck your **** for the Pun compliment lmao

Lol yea eh? Man Pun was one of the greatest...His flow was incredibly insane.

Poor guy, the only rapper to die from natural causes.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:26 PM
Kanye West could have been one of my favorites, but then he turned into Morehead and now I'm just like

>.>

<. <

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:28 PM
Tupac got super annoying before he died

You can thank that scumbag Suge Knight for that.... But yes his head was getting way too big. Still one of the best of all time though.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:29 PM
Kanye West could have been one of my favorites, but then he turned into Morehead and now I'm just like

>.>

<. <

His production is one of the best of all time.... The best of our ****ty generation for sure.

College dropout and late registration were superb as far as production go..... Graduation was alright, then he lost his damn mind and started making trash music

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 04:30 PM
I'm sick of seeing the Pizzlestick looking face of that writer for the Redskins in NFC East Trash Talk on FB.

Had to be said.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:30 PM
You can thank that scumbag Suge Knight for that.... But yes his head was getting way too big. Still one of the best of all time though.

Of course. Suge killed him.
Like you said, his head got way too big and he has a big mouth. He even admitted that himself. I hate big mouth rappers. That's why I appreciate guys like Nas, Biggie, Jigga, Common, Outkast, so much more.

People like Kanye drive me insane. Stfu for once.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:30 PM
I'm sick of seeing the Pizzlestick looking face of that writer for the Redskins in NFC East Trash Talk on FB.

Had to be said.

Who?

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:31 PM
His production is one of the best of all time.... The best of our ****ty generation for sure.

College dropout and late registration were superb as far as production go..... Graduation was alright, then he lost his damn mind and started making trash music

YASSS.

Listen, his first three albums are classics. Lyricism, production, everything about them were classics. Then he lost his mind and started putting out ****.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 04:33 PM
Who?Looks like Pizzlestick.
http://prod.static.redskins.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/WAS/photos/Andrew-Walkerjpg.jpg

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:38 PM
His production is one of the best of all time.... The best of our ****ty generation for sure.

College dropout and late registration were superb as far as production go..... Graduation was alright, then he lost his damn mind and started making trash music

I wish Kanye just stuck to producing...he makes some great stuff....i just hate listening to his voice, and he's probably one of the worst people to ever become a celebrity lol

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:39 PM
Looks like Pizzlestick.

i hate you. and that guy is a fat little neckbeard *******. Nowhere close to my illustrious magnificent beard. your fault for posting there I guess.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 04:41 PM
i hate you. and that guy is a fat little neckbeard *******. Nowhere close to my illustrious magnificent beard. your fault for posting there I guess.
I don't post there... I just get it on my FB page.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 04:42 PM
Illmatic and It Was Written are really the only ones to which I can listen through every track.

Yea I thought It was Written was just as good. Its been a loooooong time since I bought a album and liked every song.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:47 PM
i hate you. and that guy is a fat little neckbeard *******. Nowhere close to my illustrious magnificent beard. your fault for posting there I guess.

Lol yupp.... I cant stand the guy these days.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:47 PM
LEARNING TO FLY BY TOM PETTY IS THE BEST SONG EVER. BYE.

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 04:48 PM
Lol yupp.... I cant stand the guy these days.I didn't even know who he was

sharick88
05-06-2014, 04:49 PM
I question those who suggest that Illmatic is not the best hip-hop album of all time.

I'm listening to it right now. Any album that gets bumped 20 years later is a classic. Somone mentioned Midnight Marauders and I definitely agree that album is right up there. Can't forget Ready to Die either. NY hip hop at its finest. The thoughts of 90s and early 2K hip hop gives me the chills. The new **** that talks about swag and bs kills my ears and soul. Half of the time you can't understand what the hell they are saying or talking about.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:49 PM
LEARNING TO FLY BY TOM PETTY IS THE BEST SONG EVER. BYE.

Tom Petty....is THE MAN!!!

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:50 PM
I'm listening to it right now. Any album that gets bumped 20 years later is a classic. Somone mentioned Midnight Marauders and I definitely agree that album is right up there. Can't forget Ready to Die either. NY hip hop at its finest. The thoughts of 90s and early 2K hip hop gives me the chills. The new **** that talks about swag and bs kills my ears and soul. Half of the time you can't understand what the hell they are saying or talking about.

idk man...but i love bad *****es and that's my ****in prooooblem....

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 04:50 PM
Dezz will suck your **** for the Pun compliment lmao
Cause I said he was leagues better than Jigga? When Jigga spits like this I will take it back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAB6MkJ1src
"Punisher, Punish em!"

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 04:52 PM
Cause I said he was leagues better than Jigga? When Jigga spits like this I will take it back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAB6MkJ1src
"Punisher, Punish em!"

I'm not bad mouthing Pun....I just never really thought he was that great. I have the albums...they are good....but I'm not christening him **** just because he's dead

Aufidius
05-06-2014, 04:54 PM
Who did they throw under the bus? Nicks? Give me a break.

I was mainly referring to Gilbrides comments about the Oline and WRs not doing their jobs and how that was the main reason Eli ssucked.The main point however is that unlike TC and KG, BB would've done something much sooner if Brady had played as bad as Eli did last year.

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 04:57 PM
I'm listening to it right now. Any album that gets bumped 20 years later is a classic. Somone mentioned Midnight Marauders and I definitely agree that album is right up there. Can't forget Ready to Die either. NY hip hop at its finest. The thoughts of 90s and early 2K hip hop gives me the chills. The new **** that talks about swag and bs kills my ears and soul. Half of the time you can't understand what the hell they are saying or talking about.

The story of my life right there.... I'm a 90's connoisseur, still living in the 90's. This new garbage kids are listening to is so damn pathetic. The lyrics and beats are all just terrrrribble.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 04:57 PM
I'm not bad mouthing Pun....I just never really thought he was that great. I have the albums...they are good....but I'm not christening him **** just because he's dead

Then to quote MH , You dont know anything.
He killed it on the Fat Joe albums too. Back then he was one of the best. Today rap is nothing like it was unless its underground, so yea man, he was one of the best.

Aufidius
05-06-2014, 04:58 PM
I'm not bad mouthing Pun....I just never really thought he was that great. I have the albums...they are good....but I'm not christening him **** just because he's dead

Big Pun was smooth. We always play his song NY Giants on game day.

I consider Midnight Marauders by Tribe Called Quest, 36 Chambers by Wu Tang Clan and Pauls Boutique by Beastie Boys to be the best hip hop albums ever. I really thought Pauls Boutique changed the face of music. I'm also a big fan of Eric B and Rakim, they influenced so much. Oh and yes, Biggie was better than Tu Pac.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 05:02 PM
LEARNING TO FLY BY TOM PETTY IS THE BEST SONG EVER. BYE.
Actually "Learn To Fly" by the Foo Fighters is better.

Aufidius
05-06-2014, 05:02 PM
"To the 50 Cent rapper very funny get your nut off. Because in real life we all know I'll blow your mutha-fuken head off" - Big Pun (from the song My Turn)

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:04 PM
Big Pun was amazing and it has nothing to do with his death.... The guy's flow and delivery was second to none.

Capital Punishment is an album I can listen to every single track. And as Aufidius said.. How can anyone hate that New York Giants track???

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 05:05 PM
Guess Eli's TD/INT ratio on passes to Nicks since 2010.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:05 PM
Then to quote MH , You dont know anything.
He killed it on the Fat Joe albums too. Back then he was one of the best. Today rap is nothing like it was unless its underground, so yea man, he was one of the best.

It's hard to understand a man who has a stick of butter in his throat and breathes more than he talks. but i see your point. =]

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:05 PM
Actually "Learn To Fly" by the Foo Fighters is better.

Lmao I thought I was the only one who thought that when she brought that up.

Man that song is awesome.... That video was so friggin weird too lol

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:06 PM
Guess Eli's TD/INT ratio on passes to Nicks since 2010.

ehhhh idk...bad : bad ??

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:07 PM
It's hard to understand a man who has a stick of butter in his throat and breathes more than he talks. but i see your point. =]

The guy's lungs were so huge he could take a deep breath and spit a whole verse without interruption which is what made his flow so insane and unique.

I was never really too into him until a friend showed me Capital Punishment and I was hooked.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 05:11 PM
I was mainly referring to Gilbrides comments about the Oline and WRs not doing their jobs and how that was the main reason Eli ssucked.The main point however is that unlike TC and KG, BB would've done something much sooner if Brady had played as bad as Eli did last year.
I dont think its that hard to fathom that if the oline wasnt **** and Nicks played up to his potential that we could of had a decent season last year.

BB cant read the future, neither can Reese. Neither could have foreseen the injuries along the oline or the subpar play. And its not like Reese didnt address the line either cause we drafted Pugh in the first round.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:12 PM
The guy's lungs were so huge he could take a deep breath and spit a whole verse without interruption which is what made his flow so insane and unique.

I was never really too into him until a friend showed me Capital Punishment and I was hooked.

I was into him back then.....buuutttt there was so much music coming out in the mid 90s that I honestly was listening to a lot more nas, and wu-tang and the like.....and thats when I also started getting into punk rock and post-hardcore....so i moved on (coincidently, hip hop started to suck shortly after, so I feel l didnt miss much lol)

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 05:13 PM
Big Pun was smooth. We always play his song NY Giants on game day.

I consider Midnight Marauders by Tribe Called Quest, 36 Chambers by Wu Tang Clan and Pauls Boutique by Beastie Boys to be the best hip hop albums ever. I really thought Pauls Boutique changed the face of music. I'm also a big fan of Eric B and Rakim, they influenced so much. Oh and yes, Biggie was better than Tu Pac.Rakims flow is sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPk903jUQ

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:14 PM
I was into him back then.....buuutttt there was so much music coming out in the mid 90s that I honestly was listening to a lot more nas, and wu-tang and the like.....and thats when I also started getting into punk rock and post-hardcore....so i moved on (coincidently, hip hop started to suck shortly after, so I feel l didnt miss much lol)

Lol yea u stopped at a good time. As far as punk rock went Limp Bizkit is the GOAT

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:15 PM
Rakims flow is sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPk903jUQ

+1

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 05:17 PM
+1

I feel like every song I listen to lately is a Premo beat.

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:17 PM
Lol yea u stopped at a good time. As far as punk rock went Limp Bizkit is the GOAT

W.....T.....F......bro....you need an intervention.....

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:18 PM
In all this hip hop talk I cant believe none of us mentioned Mobb Deep.... Hell on Earth and the infamous were on another level

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:19 PM
Rakims flow is sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88BPk903jUQ

idk what vid that is...but....

You know what my fav. Rakim song is? That first solo album(18th Letter) had that track "Guess who's back".....**** was so sick....oh, and totally ripped off by Destiny's Child or w/e...

JPizzack
05-06-2014, 05:19 PM
gotta run. pizzout fools

egyptian420
05-06-2014, 05:21 PM
W.....T.....F......bro....you need an intervention.....

Lol they were tooo legit back in the day..... They were single handedly responsible for turning Woodstock 99 into a war zone.

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 05:22 PM
W.....T.....F......bro....you need an intervention.....

All I wanted was a pepsi, just one pepsi haha
This song with John Davis and Weiland was good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UdQ8Hu4-XE

dezzzR
05-06-2014, 05:26 PM
Guess Eli's TD/INT ratio on passes to Nicks since 2010.
27/27

Rudyy
05-06-2014, 05:41 PM
K use and Orange Juice

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 05:52 PM
27/27Haha, very close. You got the ratio right, but you should've double-checked his TD total.

21/21

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 06:05 PM
Haha, very close. You got the ratio right, but you should've double-checked his TD total.

21/21
Yes the TD's are 21. How do you know the picks?

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 06:06 PM
Yes the TD's are 21. How do you know the picks?It was posted on twitter.

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 06:08 PM
6/8 with Randle.

7 picks to Nicks last year.

Romo was 12/3 to Dez.

Duante Culpepper threw 54 TDs to Randy Moss, and no more than 15 to a single other receiver.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 06:10 PM
It was posted on twitter.
So it's on the internet so it must be true?

BTW...In that same span, Eli's TD/Int's is 104/83.

That's a four year sampling and by today's NFL standards that's deplorable.

He's averaged 21 picks per year over the last 4 years.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 06:11 PM
6/8 with Randle.

7 picks to Nicks last year.

Romo was 12/3 to Dez.

Duante Culpepper threw 54 TDs to Randy Moss, and no more than 15 to a single other receiver.
Eli threw 27 picks.
So you're saying that about one out of every 4 was directed at Nicks.

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 06:14 PM
So it's on the internet so it must be true?Oh, geez, I hope you don't believe that.


BTW...In that same span, Eli's TD/Int's is 104/83.

That's a four year sampling and by today's NFL standards that's deplorable.

He's averaged 21 picks per year over the last 4 years.Are you trying to defend Nicks from some phantom attack against him?

gmen0820
05-06-2014, 06:15 PM
Eli threw 27 picks.
So you're saying that about one out of every 4 was directed at Nicks.Let me see...

27/4 = ~7

Yes, precisely.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 06:15 PM
Oh, geez, I hope you don't believe that.

Are you trying to defend Nicks from some phantom attack against him?
No...I'm talking about how reckless Eli is with the football.

I mean TC benches Wilson for 1 fumble and he has nothing but glowing things to say about our turnover machine of a QB.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:12 PM
No...I'm talking about how reckless Eli is with the football.

I mean TC benches Wilson for 1 fumble and he has nothing but glowing things to say about our turnover machine of a QB.

I see ur point but comparing an unproven second year running back to a two time Super Bowl MVP qb is a stretch. Not to mention how different it would be benching a qb to a running back. Totally different ball park IMO

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:20 PM
I see ur point but comparing an unproven second year running back to a two time Super Bowl MVP qb is a stretch. Not to mention how different it would be benching a qb to a running back. Totally different ball park IMO
I know but 83 picks in 4 years is of great concern.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:21 PM
I know but 83 picks in 4 years is of great concern.

Can't argue with that point lol... But the other options are not adequate. I'm confident in Eli's ability to rebound

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:23 PM
Mh from what I've read this OC runs a lot more stricter routes as opposed to the option routes we ran with KG, hopefully that will cut down some of the ints

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:23 PM
Can't argue with that point lol... But the other options are not adequate. I'm confident in Eli's ability to rebound
He'll be better this season. But i still see the picks continuing. Just not at the alarming rate we saw last year.
I look for something like 23 to 25 TD's with 15 to 18 picks.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:25 PM
Mh from what I've read this OC runs a lot more stricter routes as opposed to the option routes we ran with KG, hopefully that will cut down some of the ints
He still panics in the pocket amid a pass rush. The key to Eli is protection. Give him time and he can deliver the football.
I am concerned about all the short routes that the new system might feature. Not Eli's strength. He's much more of a downfield passer.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:25 PM
A reconstruction of the oline and a solid running back situation can help that too, the Eli I want to see is the one from 2008, as opposed to the 2011 one

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:28 PM
A reconstruction of the oline and a solid running back situation can help that too, the Eli I want to see is the one from 2008, as opposed to the 2011 one
I'm concerned about the O line. Schwartz was a great pickup but we still have an aging, beat up vet at RG, an often injured new center, and Beatty/Brown at LT.

Lots of concerns.

Aufidius
05-06-2014, 07:28 PM
I dont think its that hard to fathom that if the oline wasnt **** and Nicks played up to his potential that we could of had a decent season last year.

BB cant read the future, neither can Reese. Neither could have foreseen the injuries along the oline or the subpar play. And its not like Reese didnt address the line either cause we drafted Pugh in the first round.

BB can't see in to the future but he would've addressed the issues with Eli a lot quicker than TC and KG did.

How about Eli lays up to his potential.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:29 PM
Good point, especially about the protection part and him being a better down field passer, I have to disagree with the point about him getting flustered under pressure, that true for every qb IMO. See the 2011 nfc title game if u need to see how he handles pressure.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:31 PM
Good point, especially about the protection part and him being a better down field passer, I have to disagree with the point about him getting flustered under pressure, that true for every qb IMO. See the 2011 nfc title game if u need to see how he handles pressure.
I don't mean to suggest that he always gets flustered in the pocket. In 2011 he was very calm in the pocket. Made lots of lateral moves to create time.
But when his confidence is shaken, as it was last season, it's a different Eli. Lots of chucking and hoping.

I've always believed that Eli's inconsistency comes from the fragility of his confidence.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:33 PM
AL east is looking wide open MH

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:35 PM
AL east is looking wide open MH
You could make a case for any team..............



.............except Dallas.



I crack myself up!

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:37 PM
Ha, going to Fenway in August, despise the sox, but love Fenway and their hotdogs, only hotdog close to it is the dodger stadium dogs IMO

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:41 PM
Ha, going to Fenway in August, despise the sox, but love Fenway and their hotdogs, only hotdog close to it is the dodger stadium dogs IMO
"Despise the Sox"????

How is it possible to hate God's team?

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 07:44 PM
In ur opinion what was the best sox team ever? My uncle sticks by the 78 team being the best actually, I wasn't born yet, so I can't say, that 2004 team was pretty good though

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 07:57 PM
In ur opinion what was the best sox team ever? My uncle sticks by the 78 team being the best actually, I wasn't born yet, so I can't say, that 2004 team was pretty good though
78 by a mile.

2007 was probably next because they were essentially to best team in baseball from April through the WS win. They were in first place all year.

But the 78 team was a powerhouse.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:00 PM
Then came "The Boston Massacre".
Sept. 7th through the 10th, 1978.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:02 PM
78 by a mile.

2007 was probably next because they were essentially to best team in baseball from April through the WS win. They were in first place all year.

But the 78 team was a powerhouse.
See that fascinates me, I've heard a number of Red Sox fans say the same thing, I know the history of that 78 team but were they better than the 75 team that was a win away from winning it all? And the Eck and Tiant were nice pitchers but that 2004 staff was with stacked

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:04 PM
Then came "The Boston Massacre".
Sept. 7th through the 10th, 1978.

Yea I know, I've watched the 78 yankees "it don't come easy" video too many times, not the same as living it though.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:13 PM
See that fascinates me, I've heard a number of Red Sox fans say the same thing, I know the history of that 78 team but were they better than the 75 team that was a win away from winning it all? And the Eck and Tiant were nice pitchers but that 2004 staff was with stacked
2007 was better than 2004. They pretty much dominated MLB all year.

The 78 team was just awesome though. Bucky "****" Dent.

And in 75, El Tiante was one of the most hard nosed pitcher I ever saw. The three games they won were all started by Tiant.
I was born in Cleveland and he was a great pitcher for the Indians when I was a little kid.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:15 PM
2007 was better than 2004. They pretty much dominated MLB all year.

The 78 team was just awesome though. Bucky "****" Dent.

I'll take ur word on the 78 team but the 2004 team wax better than 07 despite how much easier it seemed for the 07 team. Damn MH 2007 was a great year for ur teams

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:19 PM
I'll take ur word on the 78 team but the 2004 team wax better than 07 despite how much easier it seemed for the 07 team. Damn MH 2007 was a great year for ur teams
I had "The Morehead Trifecta" as my sig. Giants, Sox and Celtics all champs.

Right now isn't too bad though. Sox and Uconn hoops. I guess it's the "Morehead Exacta".

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:22 PM
What was great about that 78 team is that even though they blew a 14 game lead, they got down late in the season and went on a tear the last 10 games to catch up and tie it up. Then Bucky Dent hits a lazy fly ball 315 feet that dropped in the net.

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:23 PM
Here's what my friend Laura just posted from Fenway.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10259337_10201322533660113_1478111083217875633_n.j pg

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:26 PM
Here's what my friend Laura just posted from Fenway.
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10259337_10201322533660113_1478111083217875633_n.j pg

That's awesome, a lot going on sport wise right now for that city

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 08:28 PM
That's awesome, a lot going on sport wise right now for that city
She's got some great seats at the Fens. Looks like she's in a luxury box.

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:30 PM
Hell yea she does, front row on the monster have got to be the best seats in baseball

alentown pa
05-06-2014, 08:44 PM
Watching house of cards on Netflix, kate mara may be the perfect woman

Morehead State
05-06-2014, 10:21 PM
Watching house of cards on Netflix, kate mara may be the perfect woman
There was only one perfect woman.....


........and her name was Audrey Hepburn.


http://haberciburada.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Audrey-Hepburn-2007.jpg

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 08:59 AM
1 day till the big dance!

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 09:37 AM
1 day till the big dance!
For the first time in a while, I have no idea who we will pick. I hope we find a trading partner and trade down because the #12 spot sucks in this draft.
I've decided that Donald is not a good pick because I'm always skeptical of guys who climb the rankings while not playing a down.
The only player I would be even somewhat excited about at 12 would be Barr. But offense is where we'll probably go.

I fear JR will take the safe way our and draft Zack Martin. But if we go BPA...I think that would be Anthony Barr.

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 09:39 AM
For the first time in a while, I have no idea who we will pick. I hope we find a trading partner and trade down because the #12 spot sucks in this draft.
I've decided that Donald is not a good pick because I'm always skeptical of guys who climb the rankings while not playing a down.
The only player I would be even somewhat excited about at 12 would be Barr. But offense is where we'll probably go.

I fear JR will take the safe way our and draft Zack Martin. But if we go BPA...I think that would be Anthony Barr.
There is truly no pick that would surprise me because I'm expecting anything but if I had to guess I'd say Martin is the runner up.

I hated and still kind of hate the idea of drafting Ebron but if we don't, we will definitely need to draft a TE in round 2 or 3.

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 09:51 AM
There is truly no pick that would surprise me because I'm expecting anything but if I had to guess I'd say Martin is the runner up.

I hated and still kind of hate the idea of drafting Ebron but if we don't, we will definitely need to draft a TE in round 2 or 3.
TE's are risky in round 1. The "miss factor" on that position is pretty high. The miss factor on O linemen in round 1 is much lower.

I would say that if I were to guess what JR will do (not what I would do) I think the highest probability is Martin, followed by Ebron.

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 09:59 AM
For the first time in a while, I have no idea who we will pick. I hope we find a trading partner and trade down because the #12 spot sucks in this draft.
I've decided that Donald is not a good pick because I'm always skeptical of guys who climb the rankings while not playing a down.
The only player I would be even somewhat excited about at 12 would be Barr. But offense is where we'll probably go.

I fear JR will take the safe way our and draft Zack Martin. But if we go BPA...I think that would be Anthony Barr.

I'm hoping we just take Donald....i think HE is the safest bet...adressing one of the BPA AND a need....

The scary part is, you KNOW we're drafting at LEAST 2 starters...possibly 3.....we need a GOOD draft.

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 10:15 AM
I'm hoping we just take Donald....i think HE is the safest bet...adressing one of the BPA AND a need....

The scary part is, you KNOW we're drafting at LEAST 2 starters...possibly 3.....we need a GOOD draft.
He's kind of undersized and again I'm concerned about guys who's stock rises without playing a down.
Plus he'll probably be gone.

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 10:17 AM
He's kind of undersized and again I'm concerned about guys who's stock rises without playing a down.
Plus he'll probably be gone.

Well then that's a different story....

I'm pretty sure we'd go OL if that's the case...which might be Martin....
I dont really think I'd be shocked by any decision

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 10:25 AM
Well then that's a different story....

I'm pretty sure we'd go OL if that's the case...which might be Martin....
I dont really think I'd be shocked by any decision
Just talking to a guy in another thread and he's saying that Martin is projected at guard in the NFL. If that's true then he's a terrible pick at 12. Great interior linemen prospects in rounds 2 and 3. Unless he's drafted to play tackle.....pass!

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 10:26 AM
Just talking to a guy in another thread and he's saying that Martin is projected at guard in the NFL. If that's true then he's a terrible pick at 12. Great interior linemen prospects in rounds 2 and 3. Unless he's drafted to play tackle.....pass!

fair enough....i didnt read anything about that though. It's much easier to take a GOOD college LT and make him an EXCELLENT guard, so long as he can run block...

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 10:28 AM
This whole time I've been kind of thinking that we'd take an OL in the 2nd round to be honest....either that or WR...I guess our pick in the 2nd is high enough to get a good player still, ya know? Lot's of WRs to choose from though...we can make that a later pick i suppose

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 10:31 AM
Watching house of cards on Netflix, kate mara may be the perfect woman

I gotta try that show again. I made it through 4-5 eps when it first came out, but i kept falling asleep =\

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 10:33 AM
fair enough....i didnt read anything about that though. It's much easier to take a GOOD college LT and make him an EXCELLENT guard, so long as he can run block...
The physicality of a guard is different than tackle. Doesn't always translate.

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 11:03 AM
Speaking of guards.... I hope this John Jerry kid could help out barring any discipline from his involvement in the Jonathan Martin situation.

Morehead State
05-07-2014, 11:31 AM
Speaking of guards.... I hope this John Jerry kid could help out barring any discipline from his involvement in the Jonathan Martin situation.
I think I heard that there will be no suspension for Jerry.

dezzzR
05-07-2014, 11:33 AM
Speaking of guards.... I hope this John Jerry kid could help out barring any discipline from his involvement in the Jonathan Martin situation.

I keep forgetting about him.

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 11:42 AM
I think I heard that there will be no suspension for Jerry.

Nice.... With him, Snee and Schwartz I'd say we're decent at guard.

Walton is the center.

Pugh and Beatty aren't going anywhere.

So basically a first round pick OL is basically insurance (especially for Beatty). Are you guys are fine with that?

dezzzR
05-07-2014, 11:45 AM
Floyd is hilariously dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHwJPcSQaRI

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 11:47 AM
Nice.... With him, Snee and Schwartz I'd say we're decent at guard.

Walton is the center.

Pugh and Beatty aren't going anywhere.

So basically a first round pick OL is basically insurance (especially for Beatty). Are you guys are fine with that?

Yes.....except; do you remember the past few years at OL? our line was like an IR roster. lol

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 11:50 AM
Yes.....except; do you remember the past few years at OL? our line was like an IR roster. lol

Lol yup.... And even those fortunate eenough to remain healthy sucked.

I'd be perfectly fine with a first round pick used on OL but if Beatty rebounds and this rookie is on the bench, that would suck. Even if they might be the long term future, this team needs immediate help now.

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 11:52 AM
Lol yup.... And even those fortunate eenough to remain healthy sucked.

I'd be perfectly fine with a first round pick used on OL but if Beatty rebounds and this rookie is on the bench, that would suck. Even if they might be the long term future, this team needs immediate help now.

Well.....since we're stuck with beatty and his awful contract either way.....who ****ing cares if he plays....it's his job to lose pretty much immediately.
If we draft a kid to play LT, and he does better?: Beatty who??

dezzzR
05-07-2014, 11:54 AM
Nice.... With him, Snee and Schwartz I'd say we're decent at guard.

Walton is the center.

Pugh and Beatty aren't going anywhere.

So basically a first round pick OL is basically insurance (especially for Beatty). Are you guys are fine with that?I know Reese said he wants another Center.

egyptian420
05-07-2014, 11:56 AM
I know Reese said he wants another Center.

Well he sure as hell better not draft one at #12

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 12:10 PM
Well he sure as hell better not draft one at #12

that would be more ridiculous than a TE

Rudyy
05-07-2014, 12:12 PM
It's early.

dezzzR
05-07-2014, 12:14 PM
Someone remind me to feed the meter in 20 mins.Taaaaanks.

dezzzR
05-07-2014, 12:18 PM
It's early.
hashtag: Laaaazy


Did I do that right?

Rudyy
05-07-2014, 12:23 PM
hashtag: Laaaazy


Did I do that right?
No

JPizzack
05-07-2014, 12:28 PM
Someone remind me to feed the meter in 20 mins.Taaaaanks.

Feed the meter in 6 mins