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JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:05 AM
What did he say?
Did he say that he hates gay people?

Like i just said, I don't believe it was in a disrespectful manner....are you questioning my choice of word in homophobe? is that what this is? fine, i take it back.
But people who feel gay people dont deserve certain rights are just that....

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:05 AM
I will say this one is blown out of proportion, for sure.

If Dungee wanted to say that he wouldn't want the media attention/distraction, that's what he should have said. Saying, "because things will happen," is a far cry from saying that the media will be a distraction. Considering his fundamentalist religious views, I'm not terribly surprised by it.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:06 AM
Like i just said, I don't believe it was in a disrespectful manner....are you questioning my choice of word in homophobe? is that what this is? fine, i take it back.
But people who feel gay people dont deserve certain rights are just that....
So he said that he doesn't think gay people shouldn't have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?
Do you have a link for that?

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:10 AM
So he said that he doesn't think gay people shouldn't have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?
Do you have a link for that?

are you ****ing blind? or just an *******? dont answer that, im sure it's a combination.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:13 AM
here you go, though I've never ONCE seen you support any kind of claim before.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/dungys-views-on-sam-are-sad-embarrassing,0,1903214.column

there's even a LINK WITHIN A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL STORY WHERE HE VOCALIZED IT!!!!

and honestly...how dare you question me making a statement like i just fabricate ****...

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 10:13 AM
The problem with the media regarding all minorities is if you have a different view your labeled a racist or a bigot.
If you want the National Guard on the border and send the illegals back, racist.
If you dont believe in a gay marriage, bigot.
If you think gang violence and broken homes are the real problem instead of "gun violence", racist.
Every police encounter that goes awry is "police brutality"

Controversy sells.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:16 AM
are you ****ing blind? or just an *******? dont answer that, im sure it's a combination.
All I did was ask you questions.
If you don't have an answer just say so.

You made a very serious accusation. You called Tony Dungee a "homaphobe".

I was just curious how you came to this conclusion. Your lashing out confirms my view that you have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:16 AM
Sigh.... Had this debate with Drez in the other thread that got shut down. No one will change anyone else's mind on this issue but I am really getting sick of those who think others are evil or hateful because they disagree on changing the definition of marriage.

I agree with gay marriage and even I think the LGBT mafia is relentless with destroying people who differ with them. Even Bill Maher, the biggest liberal and LGBT supporter called them a mafia and said there's something unsettling about what happened to the Firefox CEO. The man treated gay people with utter decency and kindness and gave gay couples the same benefits of hetero couples and never expressed a single feeling of hatred to anyone but he was fired solely because he supported legislation for keeping marriage between one man and one woman. The mafia called him a hater and a bigot.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:18 AM
The problem with the media regarding all minorities is if you have a different view your labeled a racist or a bigot.
If you want the National Guard on the border and send the illegals back, racist.
If you dont believe in a gay marriage, bigot.
If you think gang violence and broken homes are the real problem instead of "gun violence", racist.
Every police encounter that goes awry is "police brutality"

Controversy sells.

+100....if you think there's a problem with the disproportionate killings based on religion by people who are fundamentalist Muslims, you're an islamophobe.... And the list goes on.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:19 AM
All I did was ask you questions.
If you don't have an answer just say so.

You made a very serious accusation. You called Tony Dungee a "homaphobe".

I was just curious how you came to this conclusion. Your lashing out confirms my view that you have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

I just owned you so hard with proof, and THIS is your response. Kindly see yourself out....maybe take a day off or something. I dont make accussations. i tell the facts

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:19 AM
http://www.reasonistproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hulk7-exp.jpg

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:20 AM
Sigh.... Had this debate with Drez in the other thread that got shut down. No one will change anyone else's mind on this issue but I am really getting sick of those who think others are evil or hateful because they disagree on changing the definition of marriage.

I agree with gay marriage and even I think the LGBT mafia is relentless with destroying people who differ with them. Even Bill Maher, the biggest liberal and LGBT supporter called them a mafia and said there's something unsettling about what happened to the Firefox CEO. The man treated gay people with utter decency and kindness and gave gay couples the same benefits of hetero couples and never expressed a single feeling of hatred to anyone but he was fired solely because he supported legislation for keeping marriage between one man and one woman. The mafia called him a hater and a bigot.

you use the word mafia a lot....

though I dont think a lot of these issues involve organized crime.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:21 AM
The problem with the media regarding all minorities is if you have a different view your labeled a racist or a bigot.
If you want the National Guard on the border and send the illegals back, racist.
If you dont believe in a gay marriage, bigot.
If you think gang violence and broken homes are the real problem instead of "gun violence", racist.
Every police encounter that goes awry is "police brutality"

Controversy sells.If you don't believe in gay marriage, you are bigoted.. I mean, you're saying that you don't think that all people should have the same rights and protections under the law. I don't know how that isn't bigoted.

The others are more nuanced positions where taking a black and white position is not a good idea.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 10:21 AM
Tony Dungy is completely innocent.
What a shame, the amount of backlash he has received.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:21 AM
+100....if you think there's a problem with the disproportionate killings based on religion by people who are fundamentalist Muslims, you're an islamophobe.... And the list goes on.
Well that's how it works. They throw name calling out there like "You're a Racist" or "You're a homaphobe" to shut down the debate.
When they kill the discussion, they don't have to argue their position. they don't have to explain what the name calling means.
And when we shut down debate, we never move forward. We continue the divisions. There can never be consensus.

It's what they do. they NEED boogie men to blame.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:22 AM
you use the word mafia a lot....

though I dont think a lot of these issues involve organizaed crime.

Lol you know what I mean you smartass.... In any case those are Bill Maher's words, not mine. And probably one of the few times I agreed with that fool

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:22 AM
you use the word mafia a lot....

though I dont think a lot of these issues involve organizaed crime.The fact that he's equating a group that is fighting for equal rights to the mafia shows his disconnect with reality on this issue.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:23 AM
Tony Dungy is completely innocent.
What a shame, the amount of backlash he has received.

I agree! Like I said, im familiar with his views, and i think THIS story is STILL completely ridiculous.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:24 AM
Tony Dungy is completely innocent.
What a shame, the amount of backlash he has received.

Then he should have chosen his words more carefully. Saying "because things will happen," sounds much more ominous (and considering his fundamentalist religious views, like he would not do much to prevent it), than "the media coverage will be a distraction."

Most likely, he was just talking about the distraction caused by the media, but that's certainly not how it came out.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:24 AM
Lol you know what I mean you smartass.... In any case those are Bill Maher's words, not mine. And probably one of the few times I agreed with that fool

I dont think I've ever seen Bill Maher. is he TV or radio these days?

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 10:25 AM
+100....if you think there's a problem with the disproportionate killings based on religion by people who are fundamentalist Muslims, you're an islamophobe.... And the list goes on.
I dont want to sound like a complete Obma hater, which I am, but this whole issue has gotten worse since he started running for president and constantly playing the race card. Even Bill and Hillary said so.
Did you hear Holder last week??? Its funny if it werent so sad and pathetic. Anyone that blames the color of their skin for the inability to do their job is weak in my book.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:26 AM
If you don't believe in gay marriage, you are bigoted.. I mean, you're saying that you don't think that all people should have the same rights and protections under the law. I don't know how that isn't bigoted.
Ok so by your own definition, if you are against an incestuous marriage; in which both parties choose not to procreate, you are also a bigot who doesn't believe in same rights and protections under the law.

That is perfectly analogous using your definition of bigotry.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:27 AM
Well that's how it works. They throw name calling out there like "You're a Racist" or "You're a homaphobe" to shut down the debate.
When they kill the discussion, they don't have to argue their position. they don't have to explain what the name calling means.
And when we shut down debate, we never move forward. We continue the divisions. There can never be consensus.

It's what they do. they NEED boogie men to blame.Well, when those that oppose gay marriage actually have an argument that is defensible, we can have that discussion. So far, there is no argument against gay marriage that is nothing more than bigotry and/or superstition.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 10:27 AM
Then he should have chosen his words more carefully. Saying "because things will happen," sounds much more ominous (and considering his fundamentalist religious views, like he would not do much to prevent it), than "the media coverage will be a distraction."

Essentially that's what he ended up doing.
But still, he never said anything negative about Sam in the first place.

Hopefully people understand now.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:28 AM
Ok so by your own definition, if you are against an incestuous marriage; I'm which both parties choose not to procreate, you are also a bigot who doesn't believe in same rights and protections under the law.

That is perfectly analogous using your definition of bigotry.
Nice straw man. You got that thing scaring off crows in a field?

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:29 AM
Does anyone else think this is an unreasonable request?:
I'm being asked next week to drive 1 hour to middletown, ny to work only for 4 hours, on my half day....and then drive an hour home. And they say "we'll pay you for 30 mins of travel time, plus mileage."

Well, obviously mileage is included, but why 30 mins? it takes me 2 hours and 10 mins in total travel time. Why wouldn't they pay me for the whole thing? lol

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:29 AM
If you don't believe in gay marriage, you are bigoted.. I mean, you're saying that you don't think that all people should have the same rights and protections under the law. I don't know how that isn't bigoted.

The others are more nuanced positions where taking a black and white position is not a good idea.
From a legal perspective you are completely wrong. Certainly it's different from a social or even political perspective.

When one makes the "equal protection under the law" argument they assume that there can only be marriage with a romantic relationship.

If all marriage is is a standing under the law, then the equal protection claim must extend to ANY two people who want to get married, even if it's just for tax or financial reasons.
Otherwise you are denying all Americans equal rights under the law.

So if a Mother and Son, in a completely appropriate relationship want to get married for tax reasons, aren't you denying them equal protection under the law by prohibiting it.
This is why the legal argument is off base. It assumes that marriage can't be extended to simply a function to improve your financial situation.

But..once you describe "marriage" as a bond created from a sexual or romantic relationship, which is completely subjective, then you bring in socially accepted norms.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 10:29 AM
I dont think I've ever seen Bill Maher. is he TV or radio these days?

Real Time with Bill Maher.

HBO.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:29 AM
The fact that he's equating a group that is fighting for equal rights to the mafia shows his disconnect with reality on this issue.

Yea that was a term Bill Maher coined. It's nice to know you are to the left of Bill friggin Maher.

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2014/04/05/bill-maher-gay-mafia-get-whacked-mozilla-firefox

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:30 AM
Morehead, tell me I was 100% correct.
Eat crow right now, or stop posting here. I wont even rub it in your face. I just need you to admit that I was citing fact, JUST so you could not debate something so silly.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:31 AM
Nice straw man. You got that thing scaring off crows in a field?

Nice evasion of an argument that proves the legal fallacy of your definition of bigotry.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 10:31 AM
Does anyone else think this is an unreasonable request?:
I'm being asked next week to drive 1 hour to middletown, ny to work only for 4 hours, on my half day....and then drive an hour home. And they say "we'll pay you for 30 mins of travel time, plus mileage."

Well, obviously mileage is included, but why 30 mins? it takes me 2 hours and 10 mins in total travel time. Why wouldn't they pay me for the whole thing? lol

That's really stupid.
Waste of time.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:31 AM
Real Time with Bill Maher.

HBO.

ahh...no idea. I know the dude is loopy so Ive never sought it out.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:31 AM
Well, when those that oppose gay marriage actually have an argument that is defensible, we can have that discussion. So far, there is no argument against gay marriage that is nothing more than bigotry and/or superstition.
I completely support gay marriage. But not for legal reasons. You MUST revise the actual legal definition of "marriage" in order to make the legal argument work.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:32 AM
Essentially that's what he ended up doing.
But still, he never said anything negative about Sam in the first place.

Hopefully people understand now.I agree, and I'm sure after today it'll be mostly a forgetten issue.

However, considering his religious convictions, it's easy to see why what he said was possibly misconstrued.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:32 AM
Morehead, tell me I was 100% correct.
Eat crow right now, or stop posting here. I wont even rub it in your face. I just need you to admit that I was citing fact, JUST so you could not debate something so silly.
About what?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:33 AM
Hey Drez, here's another strawman you can dodge: what about 3 or 4 people who truly love each other and want to be married? What's your argument that doesn't involve religious norms that opposes this?

For that matter, why is nudity even deemed immoral or inappropriate? Those stupid religious people brainwashed us all!

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:33 AM
Nice evasion of an argument that proves the legal fallacy of your definition of bigotry.

hehe....fallacy always makes me laugh....it's almost like a d*** joke...lololol =P

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:34 AM
About what?

you asked me to prove my statements about Dungee's views, and I gave you like 3 references in 1.....nothing? ok. remind me not to ever justify anything to you lol

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:35 AM
hehe....fallacy always makes me laugh....it's almost like a d*** joke...lololol =P

"insert your falice into her vagina!" (family guy joke)

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:35 AM
For that matter, why is nudity even deemed immoral or inappropriate? Those stupid religious people brainwashed us all!

I have no idea what you guys are arguing at the moment, but......why IS it deemed immoral or inappropriate?? who started that in the states?!?

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 10:36 AM
The fact that he's equating a group that is fighting for equal rights to the mafia shows his disconnect with reality on this issue.

He calls them a mafia because of the tactics these groups use to "fight", and hes right. They and the media try and strong arm people with different beliefs. Wait a minute, isnt that bigoted????????????????????

Wake the **** up!

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:36 AM
"insert your falice into her vagina!" (family guy joke)

lmao

or the new age one....

"**** HER!!! **** HER RIGHT IN THE *****!!!!"

lmao

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:37 AM
you asked me to prove my statements about Dungee's views, and I gave you like 3 references in 1.....nothing? ok. remind me not to ever justify anything to you lol
What did he say? I clicked on it and when I x'd out the ad the main page came up...not the article.

He said he's afraid of gay people? Or that he hated gay people? Or that he thinks gay people should not have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:37 AM
I have no idea what you guys are arguing at the moment, but......why IS it deemed immoral or inappropriate?? who started that in the states?!?

As much as people hate to admit it, it was started for purely religious reasons. And now it's just become custom for religious or non religious people.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:38 AM
He calls them a mafia because of the tactics these groups use to "fight", and hes right. They and the media try and strong arm people with different beliefs. Wait a minute, isnt that bigoted????????????????????

Wake the **** up!

You dont see a difference with:
1 group opposing change, and the counter-group fighting back to make sure it does change?

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:38 AM
I completely support gay marriage. But not for legal reasons. You MUST revise the actual legal definition of "marriage" in order to make the legal argument work.

Marriage is a legal consideration in the US as much as it is a religious one. And that is what is being fought for, equal rights and protection under the law for the LGBT community. Right now, they lack protection for their human rights in this country (there is no Federal law proscribing discrimination against people who are LGBT). The state laws are hodgepodge and lacking in many areas, even in states that have allowed gay marriage, there is not comprehensive protections against housing and employment discrimination. We can also factor in that some states are actively attempting to legalize discrimination against the LGBT community based upon religious convictions.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:38 AM
lmao

or the new age one....

"**** HER!!! **** HER RIGHT IN THE *****!!!!"

lmao

Loool that thing is going to end live TV as we know it

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:39 AM
As much as people hate to admit it, it was started for purely religious reasons. And now it's just become custom for religious or non religious people.

shenanigans. foiled by religion again. What I'd give to not be looked at weird for walking around my yard butt-nekkid!! lollll

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:40 AM
Loool that thing is going to end live TV as we know it

lol im ok with it. just like everything else it will die down. the moments ive seen it happen in clips, it was useless television. like, interviewing people for NOTHING, which is the kind of "news" i hate and nobody wants to watch anyway...

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:42 AM
As much as people hate to admit it, it was started for purely religious reasons. And now it's just become custom for religious or non religious people.
That's exactly right.
Marriage is a religious standing that the federal government acknowledged and offered certain social and tax standing for. It then became a legal standing that didn't require any religious involvement.
But "marriage" was always just a religious standing.

The question is how do we define "marriage". I would love for one of the house libs here to answer that.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:43 AM
Marriage is a legal consideration in the US as much as it is a religious one. And that is what is being fought for, equal rights and protection under the law for the LGBT community. Right now, they lack protection for their human rights in this country (there is no Federal law proscribing discrimination against people who are LGBT). The state laws are hodgepodge and lacking in many areas, even in states that have allowed gay marriage, there is not comprehensive protections against housing and employment discrimination. We can also factor in that some states are actively attempting to legalize discrimination against the LGBT community based upon religious convictions.
How are you defining "marriage"?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:43 AM
Let me ask you something Drez. I've already accepted that we differ on the main premise but I just want to know how far apart we are lol.

So if I'm a manager of a restaurant and someone comes in for an interview as a waiter and it's a dude (without a sex change or anything, just a normal dude) and he comes in wearing a dress.... If I don't hire that person because I think wtf?... Am I a hateful bigot?

I'm not being ridiculous or sarcastic, I'm serious. What are your views on a situation like that?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 10:46 AM
That's exactly right.
Marriage is a religious standing that the federal government acknowledged and offered certain social and tax standing for. It then became a legal standing that didn't require any religious involvement.
But "marriage" was always just a religious standing.

The question is how do we define "marriage". I would love for one of the house libs here to answer that.

And this is why I think the entire problem is having the government be involved with marriages. You shouldn't have a tax standing or any government involvement at all for marriage, it's a CIVIL/RELIGIOUS private matter.

If you are gay and want to be married, go ahead. If you're a church, mosque, synagogue, atheist establishment that wants to marry gay people, go ahead. And at the same time if my church doesn't marry gays, don't force them to.

Live and let live folks!

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 10:50 AM
And this is why I think the entire problem is having the government be involved with marriages. You shouldn't have a tax standing or any government involvement at all for marriage, it's a CIVIL/RELIGIOUS private matter.

If you are gay and want to be married, go ahead. If you're a church, mosque, synagogue, atheist establishment that wants to marry gay people, go ahead. And at the same time if my church doesn't marry gays, don't force them to.

Live and let live folks!
I don't think there should be any difference in tax standing if you're married. As a matter of fact, in the US, generally you pay much more in taxes if you're married, especially in our "2 income" economy.
But I disagree with you regarding the standing in general. A spouse must have standing with the other spouse. That includes visitation at hospital, estate considerations etc.....
The law MUST be involved in granting that status.

Drez
07-23-2014, 10:53 AM
You dont see a difference with:
1 group opposing change, and the counter-group fighting back to make sure it does change?

Exaclty. It is completely mindboggling how people don't understand that.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 10:59 AM
Let me ask you something Drez. I've already accepted that we differ on the main premise but I just want to know how far apart we are lol.

So if I'm a manager of a restaurant and someone comes in for an interview as a waiter and it's a dude (without a sex change or anything, just a normal dude) and he comes in wearing a dress.... If I don't hire that person because I think wtf?... Am I a hateful bigot?

I'm not being ridiculous or sarcastic, I'm serious. What are your views on a situation like that?

lol....you guys ARE so ridiculous....

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:02 AM
lol....you guys ARE so ridiculous....
I would be interested in your constitutional case for gay marriage.
First you must define "marriage". Then you have to apply the constitutional dynamics.

Please......You have the floor.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:04 AM
Oh and by the way.
Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage until two years ago.
I'm wondering how often you referred to him as a homaphobe.

I'm sure I can find all the posts.

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:10 AM
Let me ask you something Drez. I've already accepted that we differ on the main premise but I just want to know how far apart we are lol.

So if I'm a manager of a restaurant and someone comes in for an interview as a waiter and it's a dude (without a sex change or anything, just a normal dude) and he comes in wearing a dress.... If I don't hire that person because I think wtf?... Am I a hateful bigot?

I'm not being ridiculous or sarcastic, I'm serious. What are your views on a situation like that?If he comes in wearing a dress, that's poor form on his part, as you should always go to an interview dressed to the job. Even though I have a very casual dress style, I'm not going to an interview at an office wearing cargo shorts and a t-shirt wearing jogging sneakers. I'm going to wear slacks, a buttoned, collared shirt (probably with a tie), and a nice pair of shoes that match my outfit/belt.

Going to an interview at a restaurant (and I'm a 20+ year vet of the restaurant business), I'd go in chef whites and checks if I had them, or a pair of khakis and a polo. Knowing your audience as an interviewee is a different case. In your scenario, the guy going to an interview in a dress shows a complete lack of understanding social situations and may likely portend that he may not be able to deal with customers in an approriate manner. So, in that case, not hiring him wouldn't be bigotry. However, if he came to the interview dressed appropriately, but then a day or two later (before the hiring decision had been made) saw him out and about in a dress and decided to not hire him how he dressed on his own personal time, then that would reflect an underlying bigotry against men who wear dresses.

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:12 AM
Oh and by the way.
Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage until two years ago.
I'm wondering how often you referred to him as a homaphobe.

I'm sure I can find all the posts.

That was a purely political move. And he did catch plenty of flack from the LGBT community for not standing up for what he actually believed in for a matter of political convenience/capital.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 11:16 AM
So..... About those New York Giants...

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:16 AM
That's exactly right.
Marriage is a religious standing that the federal government acknowledged and offered certain social and tax standing for. It then became a legal standing that didn't require any religious involvement.
But "marriage" was always just a religious standing.

The question is how do we define "marriage". I would love for one of the house libs here to answer that.Marriage is as much a legal and economic concept as it is a religious one (in fact marriage is a binding contract. The idea that marriage is originally or solely a religious concept is rather ridiculous.

So, atheists can't be married? How about people of different faiths?

Marriage in the West is primarily now a legal contract. While many add religious dressings to it, if you don't sign the paperwork and hand it in to County Clerk you are not legally married.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:18 AM
That was a purely political move. And he did catch plenty of flack from the LGBT community for not standing up for what he actually believed in for a matter of political convenience/capital.
So was he a liar or a homaphobe?

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:21 AM
Marriage is as much a legal and economic concept as it is a religious one (in fact marriage is a binding contract. The idea that marriage is originally or solely a religious concept is rather ridiculous.

So, atheists can't be married? How about people of different faiths?

Marriage in the West is primarily now a legal contract. While many add religious dressings to it, if you don't sign the paperwork and hand it in to County Clerk you are not legally married.
I was only talking about it's origination.
There is and should be a legal standing regarding marriage. But it's not just a binding contract. There is standing in the eyes of the law when it comes to marriage.
It's manifest by visitation rights and estate considerations. There is also a special standing when a marriage is desolved...including alimony and property rights.
It's not just a "legal contract".

So what should be the requirements for you for two people to get married?

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:24 AM
Oh and by the way.
Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage until two years ago.
I'm wondering how often you referred to him as a homaphobe.

I'm sure I can find all the posts.
Check and mate.

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:25 AM
I have no idea what you guys are arguing at the moment, but......why IS it deemed immoral or inappropriate?? who started that in the states?!?

That is based on religion. And it is brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with nudity. Granted, I'm not one to walk around naked, but it has nothing to do with any moral objection to it. The human body is the human body. It's sad that for milenia we've been programed by religion to find it something shameful, dirty, and sinful.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:27 AM
That is based on religion. And it is brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with nudity. Granted, I'm not one to walk around naked, but it has nothing to do with any moral objection to it. The human body is the human body. It's sad that for milenia we've been programed by religion to find it something shameful, dirty, and sinful.
So are you saying that laws that ban public nudity are unconstitutional?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 11:29 AM
That is based on religion. And it is brainwashing. There is nothing wrong with nudity. Granted, I'm not one to walk around naked, but it has nothing to do with any moral objection to it. The human body is the human body. It's sad that for milenia we've been programed by religion to find it something shameful, dirty, and sinful.

So why do you follow that logic if it's pure religious hogwash?

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:30 AM
I was only talking about it's origination.
There is and should be a legal standing regarding marriage. But it's not just a binding contract. There is standing in the eyes of the law when it comes to marriage.
It's manifest by visitation rights and estate considerations. There is also a special standing when a marriage is desolved...including alimony and property rights.
It's not just a "legal contract".

So what should be the requirements for you for two people to get married?Marriage was primarily an economic exchange at its origins, not a religious one. The concept of dower and dowry establish that rather firmly.

How are any of the other things you mentioned not conferred by a legal contract. Do contracts not define the rights and duties of those that enter the contract and the costs of dissolving that contract? In the case of marriage, the contract is essentially between 3 parties, the two getting married and the State.

Marriage can and does exist seperately from religions and churches.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:32 AM
Marriage was primarily an economic exchange at its origins, not a religious one. The concept of dower and dowry establish that rather firmly.

How are any of the other things you mentioned not conferred by a legal contract. Do contracts not define the rights and duties of those that enter the contract and the costs of dissolving that contract? In the case of marriage, the contract is essentially between 3 parties, the two getting married and the State.

Marriage can and does exist seperately from religions and churches.
Yes it does...Obviously. Not sure what your point is.

My question which you clearly cannot or will not answer is what should be the requirements for two people to get married?

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:32 AM
Exaclty. It is completely mindboggling how people don't understand that.
So you get mad and call people bigots when forcing people to change doest work. Mindboggling indeed

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:34 AM
So why do you follow that logic if it's pure religious hogwash?Why do I follow what logic? That I have a preference to be clothed? Because, I am more comfortable in clothing, not because I have a moral objection to nudity. I have no problem with nudists. And to answer MS above, I do think that our laws about nudity are archaic. But, then again, so are most of our sensibilities about nudity and the human body. We have been brainwashed to believe that our bodies are a source of shame and sin, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:36 AM
Why do I follow what logic? That I have a preference to be clothed? Because, I am more comfortable in clothing, not because I have a moral objection to nudity. I have no problem with nudists. And to answer MS above, I do think that our laws about nudity are archaic. But, then again, so are most of our sensibilities about nudity and the human body. We have been brainwashed to believe that our bodies are a source of shame and sin, when that is the furthest thing from the truth.
I've seen your picture and I have to say that I appreciate your reluctance to participate in public nudity.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 11:37 AM
So you get mad and call people bigots when forcing people to change doest work. Mindboggling indeed

if you want to call me, or anyone else, a bigot, for not liking people who openly hate others for the way they are...well, then go right ahead. it certainly doesnt make me look like the bad guy.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:37 AM
Our bodies are a source of shame and sin? Jeeezz drez, what the **** are you babbling about.....

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:39 AM
Yes it does...Obviously. Not sure what your point is.

My question which you clearly cannot or will not answer is what should be the requirements for two people to get married?

That any two people that are not directly related consent to the marriage. I would probably extend proscription to anyone that shares at least one grandparent with their partner (which isn't the case in most of the US). In much of the US, double first cousins (as rare as they are) are legally allowed to marry despite being genetic siblings.

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:39 AM
Our bodies are a source of shame and sin? Jeeezz drez, what the **** are you babbling about.....How religion has impacted how we view our bodies. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here...

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:40 AM
I've seen your picture and I have to say that I appreciate your reluctance to participate in public nudity.**** you.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:41 AM
if you want to call me, or anyone else, a bigot, for not liking people who openly hate others for the way they are...well, then go right ahead. it certainly doesnt make me look like the bad guy.
And weve come full circle again
You, Drez and the rest of the liberal morons believe if I dont agree with something, Im a hater/racist.
Religious people believe marriage should be between man and a women, and you demonize them for it, but only Christians. Its a joke man

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 11:43 AM
Shame and sin? So religious couples don't have sex or see eachother naked?

Lol this has truly become so absurd I'm officially done. I don't think we're animals and should just walk around naked. If a 40 year old man walks around naked with his naked 16 year old daughter, they're SICK. I haven't even met an atheist who promotes this disgusting absurdity.

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:44 AM
And weve come full circle again
You, Drez and the rest of the liberal morons believe if I dont agree with something, Im a hater/racist.
Religious people believe marriage should be between man and a women, and you demonize them for it, but only Christians. Its a joke manNo, I'll call anyone that uses any religion to justify their bigotry a bigot. Religion isn't a good excuse for bigotry.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:44 AM
How religion has impacted how we view our bodies. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here...

Do you watch TV, go to the beach, look at ads? Girls are barely wearing anything

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:44 AM
And weve come full circle again
You, Drez and the rest of the liberal morons believe if I dont agree with something, Im a hater/racist.
Religious people believe marriage should be between man and a women, and you demonize them for it, but only Christians. Its a joke manNo, I'll call anyone that uses any religion to justify their bigotry a bigot. Religion isn't a good excuse for bigotry.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:44 AM
How religion has impacted how we view our bodies. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here...

Do you watch TV, go to the beach, look at ads? Girls are barely wearing anything

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:46 AM
No, I'll call anyone that uses any religion to justify their bigotry a bigot. Religion isn't a good excuse for bigotry.

Im sorry friend, but you sir are a hypocrite.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:47 AM
Shame and sin? So religious couples don't have sex or see eachother naked?

Lol this has truly become so absurd I'm officially done. I don't think we're animals and should just walk around naked. If a 40 year old man walks around naked with his naked 16 year old daughter, they're SICK. I haven't even met an atheist who promotes this disgusting absurdity.
"You and me babe aint nothing but mammals so lets do it like they do on the discovery channel"

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:49 AM
That any two people that are not directly related consent to the marriage. I would probably extend proscription to anyone that shares at least one grandparent with their partner (which isn't the case in most of the US). In much of the US, double first cousins (as rare as they are) are legally allowed to marry despite being genetic siblings.
This is where your "equal opportunity" argument falls apart.
You have arbitrarily excluded certain people or certain relationships in the list of people who can legally get married. When you do this, you are denying them the same rights you believe gays and lesbians should have with constitutional protection.
Why do you think these people can't enjoy the same rights under the law as any other two people?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 11:49 AM
And weve come full circle again
You, Drez and the rest of the liberal morons believe if I dont agree with something, Im a hater/racist.
Religious people believe marriage should be between man and a women, and you demonize them for it, but only Christians. Its a joke man

Lol...never mind all those gay people who are against gay marriage, they must be bigots and hateful of themselves.

I know a guy who was vehemently opposed to gay marriage and his close friend; if not best friend, was gay and he defended this man physically and in arguments on more than one occasion that I know of. You try telling his gay friend that he really is hateful towards him......

There's just no getting through to some people. It's like trying to have an honest discussion about ANYTHING with those race baiting marxists on MSNBC.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:50 AM
**** you.

You are an "anti-humor" bigot.

because that **** was funny.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 11:51 AM
"You and me babe aint nothing but mammals so lets do it like they do on the discovery channel"

Lmao.... Great song, but that's pretty much the depth of so many of our "intellectuals" today

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:53 AM
The reason why these civil rights orgs fail is because they only offer ultimatums. Youre either with them or against them. Most Americans dont want to be bothered by it.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 11:54 AM
You are an "anti-humor" bigot.

because that **** was funny.lol

Drez
07-23-2014, 11:54 AM
Do you watch TV, go to the beach, look at ads? Girls are barely wearing anything

You are clearly missing the point. And what do people call women that they deem dress immodestly? Where does the idea that women should dress modestly originate?

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 11:56 AM
You are clearly missing the point. And what do people call women that they deem dress immodestly? Where does the idea that women should dress modestly originate?
I call it awesome.

Unless they don't have it to show off....then it's just gross.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 11:59 AM
And weve come full circle again
You, Drez and the rest of the liberal morons believe if I dont agree with something, Im a hater/racist.
Religious people believe marriage should be between man and a women, and you demonize them for it, but only Christians. Its a joke man

I dont get what you mean by that last part. someone would only "demonize" christians for their views? I dont believe that to be the case.

I'm glad you chose the term demonize though....because those so outspoken about gay marriage, or pretty much anything often demonize people they view as different.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 12:00 PM
The reason why these civil rights orgs fail is because they only offer ultimatums. Youre either with them or against them. Most Americans dont want to be bothered by it.

Civil rights orgs, feminists, gay rights activists and the whole lot of them were all very instrumental and played a huge role years ago.

Now because of all the progress we have made and things are truly magnificent compared to just 50 years ago or compared to the rest of the non-Western world, these organizations are reduced to finding the tiniest BS or just creating fake outrage to whine about because there's nothing else for them to fight. It never ends, if you met all of their demands today, ALL of their demands, i guarantee you in about 10 years they will have a whole laundry list of new demands and arguments about how awful and oppressive we are.

Bunch of damn fools who's only meaning of life derives from fighting, if there's nothing evil to fight, they'll make something up. And the true evil in the world like what's happening to Christians in the middle east right now, or Shiites, or women in Saudi Arabia, or what's happening in North Korea.... They rarely, if ever, fight that. Fighting real evil is hard.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:04 PM
I dont get what you mean by that last part. someone would only "demonize" christians for their views? I dont believe that to be the case.

I'm glad you chose the term demonize though....because those so outspoken about gay marriage, or pretty much anything often demonize people they view as different.Do you think religious Hebrews or Muslims favor gay rights? But all we hear about it how racist "bible thumpers" are, right?
Thats what you called them before.....

byron
07-23-2014, 12:05 PM
I call it awesome.

Unless they don't have it to show off....then it's just gross. defiantly needs to be rules on who shows what ! I know that makes me a bigot or something but I don't care lets keep America beautiful ...;)

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:06 PM
I dont get what you mean by that last part. someone would only "demonize" christians for their views? I dont believe that to be the case.

I'm glad you chose the term demonize though....because those so outspoken about gay marriage, or pretty much anything often demonize people they view as different.Quite literally. They call them sinners, agents of Satan, say they will go to hell and suffer for all of eternity.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:08 PM
Do you think religious Hebrews or Muslims favor gay rights? But all we hear about it how racist "bible thumpers" are, right?
Thats what you called them before.....

How many Muslims and Jews are there in the United States with the political power to enforce their bigotry?

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:11 PM
Civil rights orgs, feminists, gay rights activists and the whole lot of them were all very instrumental and played a huge role years ago.

Now because of all the progress we have made and things are truly magnificent compared to just 50 years ago or compared to the rest of the non-Western world, these organizations are reduced to finding the tiniest BS or just creating fake outrage to whine about because there's nothing else for them to fight. It never ends, if you met all of their demands today, ALL of their demands, i guarantee you in about 10 years they will have a whole laundry list of new demands and arguments about how awful and oppressive we are.

Bunch of damn fools who's only meaning of life derives from fighting, if there's nothing evil to fight, they'll make something up. And the true evil in the world like what's happening to Christians in the middle east right now, or Shiites, or women in Saudi Arabia, or what's happening in North Korea.... They rarely, if ever, fight that. Fighting real evil is hard.Or maybe those people are fighting for causes in their own country, as that is a place where they can actually make a difference. Just because there are ****ty things going on in other parts of the world doesn't mean that people shouldn't act about the things that need changing here. Just another weak *** straw man.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:13 PM
Civil rights orgs, feminists, gay rights activists and the whole lot of them were all very instrumental and played a huge role years ago.

Now because of all the progress we have made and things are truly magnificent compared to just 50 years ago or compared to the rest of the non-Western world, these organizations are reduced to finding the tiniest BS or just creating fake outrage to whine about because there's nothing else for them to fight. It never ends, if you met all of their demands today, ALL of their demands, i guarantee you in about 10 years they will have a whole laundry list of new demands and arguments about how awful and oppressive we are.

Bunch of damn fools who's only meaning of life derives from fighting, if there's nothing evil to fight, they'll make something up. And the true evil in the world like what's happening to Christians in the middle east right now, or Shiites, or women in Saudi Arabia, or what's happening in North Korea.... They rarely, if ever, fight that. Fighting real evil is hard.
Great post.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:14 PM
Do you think religious Hebrews or Muslims favor gay rights? But all we hear about it how racist "bible thumpers" are, right?
Thats what you called them before.....

I think we'd hear about whoever was most outspoken on the issue, and who clearly wants to be heard.
I just use the term religious to cover most of it.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:17 PM
Shame and sin? So religious couples don't have sex or see eachother naked?

Lol this has truly become so absurd I'm officially done. I don't think we're animals and should just walk around naked. If a 40 year old man walks around naked with his naked 16 year old daughter, they're SICK. I haven't even met an atheist who promotes this disgusting absurdity.

We are animals. We're highly intelligent animals, but animals nonetheless.

Married couple do see each other naked and have sex, but according to most Church doctrines, procreation should be the only aim for having sex. St. Agustine even said that he had less of a problem with a man having sex with many different women with the goal of spreading his seed than he did with a husband and wife having recreational sex without having procreation as their goal.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:18 PM
How many Muslims and Jews are there in the United States with the political power to enforce their bigotry?

So you just excuse their bigotry because they cant help make things better here? Come on man....

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:18 PM
Civil rights orgs, feminists, gay rights activists and the whole lot of them were all very instrumental and played a huge role years ago.

Now because of all the progress we have made and things are truly magnificent compared to just 50 years ago or compared to the rest of the non-Western world, these organizations are reduced to finding the tiniest BS or just creating fake outrage to whine about because there's nothing else for them to fight. It never ends, if you met all of their demands today, ALL of their demands, i guarantee you in about 10 years they will have a whole laundry list of new demands and arguments about how awful and oppressive we are.

Bunch of damn fools who's only meaning of life derives from fighting, if there's nothing evil to fight, they'll make something up. And the true evil in the world like what's happening to Christians in the middle east right now, or Shiites, or women in Saudi Arabia, or what's happening in North Korea.... They rarely, if ever, fight that. Fighting real evil is hard.

There's not many who would ever disagree with you, but that's incredibly unfair to fault people for that. What would you like ME to do about any of that, bud? I don't control any governements. I also would not stand in the middle east in protest of anything.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:19 PM
So you just excuse excuse their bigotry because they cant help make things better here? Come on man....

-_____-

wutjusthappenedhere?

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:22 PM
So you just excuse their bigotry because they cant help make things better here? Come on man....No. Not at all. I'm saying you hear about Christians in this country the most because they are the largest group and have the political capital. Trust me, no one I've ever known gives other groups a pass, you just don't hear about it as much because the other groups are much smaller and cannot effect change as readily as Christians can.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:25 PM
-_____-

wutjusthappenedhere?
Further proving this hypocrisy. He basically saying he does care about the other religious bigots being bigots because they dont have any power to change things in America. Go take a trip to the Middle East and see how they treat homosexuals.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:26 PM
There's not many who would ever disagree with you, but that's incredibly unfair to fault people for that. What would you like ME to do about any of that, bud? I don't control any governements. I also would not stand in the middle east in protest of anything.

Especially considering if you tried protesting anything like that in most Middle Eastern countries you'd get a death sentence. Theocracy is an evil, evil thing.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:27 PM
rebelfan1966 just made a thread. Good OP.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:30 PM
Further proving this hypocrisy. He basically saying he does care about the other religious bigots being bigots because they dont have any power to change things in America. Go take a trip to the Middle East and see how they treat homosexuals.

you quoted the wrong post then....because you basically just said bigots are improving things here......

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:31 PM
Hawaiian chicken over rice......orrrrr chipotle chicken cheddar, range on a grilled paniniiii

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:32 PM
Hawaiian chicken over rice......orrrrr chipotle chicken cheddar, range on a grilled paniniiii

I'd cut off Dezz's pinkies to have a chipotle opened here. Jussayin'tho

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:32 PM
you quoted the wrong post then....because you basically just said bigots are improving things here......
Where the hell did I say that? lol

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 12:33 PM
Hawaiian chicken over rice......orrrrr chipotle chicken cheddar, range on a grilled paniniiii

Nice

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:33 PM
PS - what is hawaiian chicken??

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:33 PM
I'd cut off Dezz's pinkies to have a chipotle opened here. Jussayin'tho

moooooes is better

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 12:33 PM
My professor is so hard to have a conversation with.

I can't stand it.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 12:34 PM
PS - what is hawaiian chicken??

Wtf

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:34 PM
Where the hell did I say that? lol

read the combination of your post on the one you quoted Drez.....if you responded to the one about the middle east, you quoted the one about your point on muslims and jews. So if that was in fact your point, you quoted the wrong post. because you essentially said they dont have the leverage to make things better...the context was all off

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:35 PM
Wtf

The adults are talking, sweetheart.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:35 PM
moooooes is better

is that local or franchise? never heard of it.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:36 PM
PS - what is hawaiian chicken??

Dont know but it looks delish

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:37 PM
is that local or franchise? never heard of it.
Moes southwestern grill. Yea I guess theyre a small franchise.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:38 PM
Further proving this hypocrisy. He basically saying he does care about the other religious bigots being bigots because they dont have any power to change things in America. Go take a trip to the Middle East and see how they treat homosexuals.

How is it hypocritical to say that a bigoted Muslim doesn't (usually) have the power to enact legislation to enforce his bigotry on others in the US, so you don't hear the same outcry? If a local imam or rabbi was attempting to influence a law that would condone discrimination, I'd speak out about that, too. However, seeing as neither of those groups have the political capital to enact legislation en masse, you don't hear about it.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:40 PM
I'd cut off Dezz's pinkies to have a chipotle opened here. Jussayin'tho

There's no Chipotle's in Poughkeepsie? Or just none by your work? They're all over the place up here in the Albany area.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:40 PM
How is it hypocritical to say that a bigoted Muslim doesn't (usually) have the power to enact legislation to enforce his bigotry on others in the US, so you don't hear the same outcry? If a local imam or rabbi was attempting to influence a law that would condone discrimination, I'd speak out about that, too. However, seeing as neither of those groups have the political capital to enact legislation en masse, you don't hear about it.
What priests do you know that have enough political power to influence a law?

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:40 PM
Moes southwestern grill. Yea I guess theyre a small franchise.

We have an AWESOME place called Mexicali Blue near us....there's 2 of them that i know of, but idk if it's franchise....buuuuttttt its pretty damn delicious....

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 12:41 PM
The adults are talking, sweetheart.No idiot.
How do you not know what Hawaiian chicken is? Jesus expand your horizons.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:41 PM
There's no Chipotle's in Poughkeepsie? Or just none by your work? They're all over the place up here in the Albany area.

Nope. I think there's one in Kingston, but thats like a 40 min trek across the Hudson.....and I don't like that town anyway.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 12:41 PM
So you just excuse their bigotry because they cant help make things better here? Come on man....
Of course Dez....It's Christianity they hate.

You notice that this all started with Pizz saying "Religious homaphobe".

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:41 PM
read the combination of your post on the one you quoted Drez.....if you responded to the one about the middle east, you quoted the one about your point on muslims and jews. So if that was in fact your point, you quoted the wrong post. because you essentially said they dont have the leverage to make things better...the context was all off

Yeah, he either forgot to make a word a contraction or used a very awkward phrasing, I got what he meant, though. Which is basically he didn't understand what I said.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:42 PM
No idiot.
How do you not know what Hawaiian chicken is? Jesus expand your horizons.

I've never seen anything served or described as Hawaiian chicken. ever.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:43 PM
Of course Dez....It's Christianity they hate.

You notice that this all started with Pizz saying "Religious homaphobe".And If Dungy was a Mulsim and used it to justify a bigoted view, then the reply would be the same.

The fact that Christians in the US think they are persecuted is completely delusional.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:43 PM
I've never seen anything served or described as Hawaiian chicken. ever.I'd imagine it's chicken with pineapple and soy/teriayki/sweet&sour sauce.

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:44 PM
What priests do you know that have enough political power to influence a law?You're joking, right? You cannot possibly be serious.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:44 PM
No idiot.
How do you not know what Hawaiian chicken is? Jesus expand your horizons.
lol I dont know what it is either bt it looks real good. Is it?

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:45 PM
Of course Dez....It's Christianity they hate.

You notice that this all started with Pizz saying "Religious homaphobe".

thus proving my point. I said religious. it encompasses them all, because these are the people thatwant to cite their preferred works of fiction to prove points for some reason. they are the loudest, thus they are the ones being talked about.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:46 PM
You're joking, right? You cannot possibly be serious.

name these evil priests.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 12:46 PM
I'd imagine it's chicken with pineapple and soy/teriayki/sweet&sour sauce.

Thats what it looks like.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:47 PM
And If Dungy was a Mulsim and used it to justify a bigoted view, then the reply would be the same.

The fact that Christians in the US think they are persecuted is completely delusional.

hard to persecute the majority.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 12:47 PM
I'd imagine it's chicken with pineapple and soy/teriayki/sweet&sour sauce.

teriyaki i like....but i dont really like sweet chicken.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 12:52 PM
hard to persecute the majority.
No one is being "persecuted".
There is just a segment of extreme leftists who hate the idea of Christianity.

There is no doubt that there is a bunch of dopes on TV who give Christianity a bad name, and that's all these narrow minded leftists see. But Christianity brought revolutionary concepts of human goodness and selflessness to the world.
But like anything...some take it way too far like those who interpret the King James Bible far too literally....or foolishly. The reality is that the bible never mentions homosexuality in any way.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 12:53 PM
Thats what it looks like.
Yes.

You New Yorker's need to stop eating your pizza and bagels!!!

Drez
07-23-2014, 12:56 PM
name these evil priests.

Well, there were a few hundred of them that actively (and illegally) endorsed political candidates a couple years back. Pat Robertson, Rick Warren, etc. They influence legislation from the pulpit. You can't be blind to this fact, can you?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 12:57 PM
Damn, all this talk of chicken is making me hungry, time for lunch! I'd love to debate libs and progressives all day but food takes precedence lol

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:02 PM
My next door neighbor is in a panic (as would I be) because she has a baby skunk in her garage. She wanted me to be a knight in shining armor and get it out.
It's hiding under the stairs. While I love my fellow man (including and especially Pizz) there are some things I will not do.

Morehead doesn't play well with skunks and snakes.
I gave her advice but that's where it ended.

Sorry Barbara.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:04 PM
Well, there were a few hundred of them that actively (and illegally) endorsed political candidates a couple years back. Pat Robertson, Rick Warren, etc. They influence legislation from the pulpit. You can't be blind to this fact, can you?
There are plenty of wacko left wing groups who do the same thing.

It's called free speech.

It's what makes America great.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:04 PM
No one is being "persecuted".
There is just a segment of extreme leftists who hate the idea of Christianity.

There is no doubt that there is a bunch of dopes on TV who give Christianity a bad name, and that's all these narrow minded leftists see. But Christianity brought revolutionary concepts of human goodness and selflessness to the world.
But like anything...some take it way too far like those who interpret the King James Bible far too literally....or foolishly. The reality is that the bible never mentions homosexuality in any way.

What revolutionary concepts do you talk about? For all the good they've done (and there is some), Christianity has done much evil as well. The same can be said of all religions, particularly universalizing religions.

The Bible has 7 verses that deal with homosexuality. Jesus never said anything about the topic, though.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:06 PM
What revolutionary concepts do you talk about? For all the good they've done (and there is some), Christianity has done much evil as well. The same can be said of all religions, particularly universalizing religions.

The Bible has 7 verses that deal with homosexuality. Jesus never said anything about the topic, though.

Where are these verses? I am actually interested. It's always the Jesus reference they refer to with the "laying down with another man" nonsense.

You have to understand...the English interpretation of the bible is VERY different than the original text. Generally...ancient hebrew.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:08 PM
There are plenty of wacko left wing groups who do the same thing.

It's called free speech.

It's what makes America great.How many did so against the law? It is illegal for Section 501(c)(3) non-profits to be actively involved in any political campaigns, by either endorsing or opposing any candidate or legislation. They risk losing their non-profit status by so doing.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 01:08 PM
Well, there were a few hundred of them that actively (and illegally) endorsed political candidates a couple years back. They endorsed them, has nothing to do with priests having influence over the laws or politicians that make the laws.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:10 PM
How many did so against the law? It is illegal for Section 501(c)(3) non-profits to be actively involved in any political campaigns, by either endorsing or opposing any candidate or legislation. They risk losing their non-profit status by so doing.
It's not "illegal". It's NEVER illegal to speak openly in the country. Although clearly you would like to change that.
It's only about qualifying for tax exempt status.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:18 PM
How many did so against the law? It is illegal for Section 501(c)(3) non-profits to be actively involved in any political campaigns, by either endorsing or opposing any candidate or legislation. They risk losing their non-profit status by so doing.
What you fail to see is that you are exactly the same as they are.
you're just a whack job from the other side. No tolerance for opposing points of view. You should all have lunch together every now and then to compare notes.
From the right or left....you're all nuts as far as I'm concerned.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:25 PM
Where are these verses? I am actually interested. It's always the Jesus reference they refer to with the "laying down with another man" nonsense.

You have to understand...the English interpretation of the bible is VERY different than the original text.

Genesis 19:1-11
Judges 19:16-30
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
1 Timothy 1:9-11

No passage in the Bible that condemns (or seemingly condemns) homosexuality is attributed to Jesus. The "laying with another man" reference is from Leviticus, which predates Jesus by 600-700 years, with its current form more or less intact since around 500-300 BCE.

Yes, I understand that the English translations are different, particularly since I've studied the Bible in a scholarly setting. There's even great variation between different English language versions of the Bible, of which there are many versions.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:29 PM
What you fail to see is that you are exactly the same as they are.
you're just a whack job from the other side. No tolerance for opposing points of view. You should all have lunch together every now and then to compare notes.
From the right or left....you're all nuts as far as I'm concerned.

No. The difference is I don't think that what they say should be illegal. They are free to be as ignorant and hateful as they like. They also have the right to be taken to task for their view, particularly if they are attempting to influence legislation that will deny equal rights and protections to certain segments of society.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:30 PM
What you fail to see is that you are exactly the same as they are.
you're just a whack job from the other side. No tolerance for opposing points of view. You should all have lunch together every now and then to compare notes.
From the right or left....you're all nuts as far as I'm concerned.

No. The difference is I don't think that what they say should be illegal. They are free to be as ignorant and hateful as they like. They also have the right to be taken to task for their view, particularly if they are attempting to influence legislation that will deny equal rights and protections to certain segments of society.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 01:35 PM
No. The difference is I don't think that what they say should be illegal. They are free to be as ignorant and hateful as they like. They also have the right to be taken to task for their view, particularly if they are attempting to influence legislation that will deny equal rights and protections to certain segments of society.
Sounds the same to me.
You have NO tolerance for those who disagree with you. Like the extreme right you resort to name calling.
Again...You're all the same.....To be dismissed out of hand.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 01:39 PM
Sounds the same to me.
You have NO tolerance for those who disagree with you. Like the extreme right you resort to name calling.
Again...You're all the same.....To be dismissed out of hand.This is probably going to give you seizures Drez, but he's kind of right.
Only when it comes to political ideologies.

I still like you, like you're still my friend but..you're borderline extremist.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:43 PM
Sounds the same to me.
You have NO tolerance for those who disagree with you. Like the extreme right you resort to name calling.
Again...You're all the same.....To be dismissed out of hand.
No, standing up against people who wish to oppress others is not being oppressive.

Drez
07-23-2014, 01:43 PM
This is probably going to give you seizures Drez, but he's kind of right.
Only when it comes to political ideologies.

I still like you, like you're still my friend but..you're borderline extremist.Only when dealing with other extremists.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 01:44 PM
Only when dealing with other extremists.

Ok, well that's subjective.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 01:47 PM
No, standing up against people who wish to oppress others is not being oppressive.
You have a very loose definition of the word oppress, friend.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 01:49 PM
you're borderline extremist

Borderline?

Drez
07-23-2014, 02:16 PM
You have a very loose definition of the word oppress, friend.

Saying that someone shouldn't have equal rights is oppression...

How else would you define it?

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:24 PM
Can't we ALLLLLL just Rage Against The Machine???

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 02:27 PM
Only when dealing with other extremists.
At least you admit you're one yourself.
That's the first step to recovery.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:28 PM
So apparently ODB did tweak his hamstring.... I hope this isn't an ongoing issue

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:28 PM
Ruuuudey, how do I post Jpeg?

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:33 PM
[i m g] link of jpeg [ / i m g]

Do that without the spaces

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 02:34 PM
[i m g] link of jpeg [ / i m g]

Do that without the spaces
Is your name Rudy??????

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:36 PM
Is your name Rudy??????

Maybe it is you *****!

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:37 PM
[i m g] link of jpeg [ / i m g]

Do that without the spaces
How do I get the link of the jpeg? I right clicked on it just says copy but nothing happens when I paste.
Damn computers!!

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:38 PM
Maybe it is you *****!

Rudy it is you ***** egyptian420.....

idk, that doesn't flow well. you should probably ask our parents about that.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:39 PM
How do I get the link of the jpeg? I right clicked on it just says copy but nothing happens when I paste.
Damn computers!!

lol....

i usually right click the image, click properties, and copy the source link that shows up.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:39 PM
How do I get the link of the jpeg? I right clicked on it just says copy but nothing happens when I paste.
Damn computers!!

Right click it and go to view image, then copy the link at the address bar

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 02:39 PM
Jesus.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 02:40 PM
Maybe it is your *****!

I think I'll leave this one alone.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:40 PM
lol....

i usually right click the image, click properties, and copy the source link that shows up.

this works too

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 02:41 PM
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/TahlyaA/dez_zpsd475293f.png



if you left click, scroll do that option and it copies the picture's image URL.


then type the url in this HTTML

[ i m g ] copy and paste image url here [ / i m g] with no spaces.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:43 PM
I think I'll leave this one alone.

Your addition of the letter 'r' after the word "you" is a fraudulent quotation of mine.

You will get a letter from my attorney within the next 5 business days.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:43 PM
C:\Documents and Settings\desmond\My Documents

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:44 PM
**** you Pizz.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:44 PM
C:\Documents and Settings\desmond\My Documents

LMMMAAAAOOOOO

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:44 PM
youre trying to UPLOAD an image??!?!

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:45 PM
C:\Documents and Settings\desmond\My Documents

Lmao dude... U can't link a file from your computer, you gotta upload it on an image hosting site first, then get a link to it

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 02:45 PM
Your addition of the letter 'r' after the word "you" is a fraudulent quotation of mine.

You will get a letter from my attorney within the next 5 business days.
Do you even need to go to law school to be a lawyer in Canada???


I crack myself up!

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 02:46 PM
LMMMAAAAOOOOO

JAHAHAHHAHAHAH

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:46 PM
Wasting my friggin time...

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:46 PM
Use www.postimage.org

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 02:46 PM
Lmao dude... U can't link a file from your computer, you gotta upload it on an image hosting site first, then get a link to it
I told you fools that!

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:47 PM
Do you even need to go to law school to be a lawyer in Canada???


I crack myself up!

I wouldnt talk pal... The senator in your state is to the left of Karl Marx

gmen0820
07-23-2014, 02:49 PM
C:\Documents and Settings\desmond\My Documentshttp://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Dwight-Howard-Free-Throw-Airball-Fail.gif

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 02:50 PM
I told you fools that!

youre making something so easy, seem more difficult for yourself.

If the photo is on the internet, you take it's web address and use the [ i m g ] codes these guys gave you.
if you HAVE a photo on your computer, you still need to use that same code using a web address, so youd have to upload it to a photo hosting site, like imgur or the one e420 just showed you, and use the link THEY give you

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 02:52 PM
I wouldnt talk pal... The senator in your state is to the left of Karl Marx
Friggin Elizabeth Warren is pure evil.

Ed Markey is just a harmless, cookie cutter Democrat.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 02:55 PM
I told you fools that!

Why do you think sites like photobucket exists?

Upload it to photobucket from your computer.
From then, do what I told you about putting the image URL in the HTML.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 02:56 PM
youre making something so easy, seem more difficult for yourself.

If the photo is on the internet, you take it's web address and use the [ i m g ] codes these guys gave you.
if you HAVE a photo on your computer, you still need to use that same code using a web address, so youd have to upload it to a photo hosting site, like imgur or the one e420 just showed you, and use the link THEY give you

thIS

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 02:56 PM
Friggin Elizabeth Warren is pure evil.

Ed Markey is just a harmless, cookie cutter Democrat.

Lol I can't believe they're saying she could be a Dem nominee.... I actually hope she is. What a nutjob.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:01 PM
youre making something so easy, seem more difficult for yourself.

If the photo is on the internet, you take it's web address and use the [ i m g ] codes these guys gave you.
if you HAVE a photo on your computer, you still need to use that same code using a web address, so youd have to upload it to a photo hosting site, like imgur or the one e420 just showed you, and use the link THEY give youOhhhhh yeaaaa, its all coming back to me,

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:01 PM
Why do you think sites like photobucket exists?

Upload it to photobucket from your computer.
From then, do what I told you about putting the image URL in the HTML.

Yea I used that before.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:02 PM
Lol I can't believe they're saying she could be a Dem nominee.... I actually hope she is. What a nutjob.

I think she can beat Hilldog to be honest.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:14 PM
I think she can beat Hilldog to be honest.
She has no chance (unfortunately)

It would be awesome if she got the nomination though.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 03:16 PM
I think she can beat Hilldog to be honest.

I don't see it happening... She's too radical even for them. Hillary will get a lot of people in the middle-left.

In any case if Warren was to get the nomination, I think she would get destroyed.

In all honesty, you guys are screwed either way. Both parties are corrupt and identical when it comes to how they've sold their souls. Only person I like is Rand and even he's starting to sell out.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:17 PM
She has no chance (unfortunately)

It would be awesome if she got the nomination though.
Who knows, theres rumors Obama will support Warren over Hilldog.
They both scare me but Id prefer Hillary worst case scenario

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:19 PM
aren't you guys tired of two-party-politics?? It's so awful.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 03:22 PM
Who knows, theres rumors Obama will support Warren over Hilldog.
They both scare me but Id prefer Hillary worst case scenario
He will support Warren that much I know... Him and the Clintons got big time beef

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 03:23 PM
aren't you guys tired of two-party-politics?? It's so awful.

Yes!!.... But there's no chance of a 3rd party candidate ever winning so you're ****ed either way

Drez
07-23-2014, 03:27 PM
Can't we ALLLLLL just Rage Against The Machine???

**** you, I won't do what you tell me!!


*I almost died when that came on my mp3 player at work today. Not a good look at a VA hospital, lol.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:29 PM
Yes!!.... But there's no chance of a 3rd party candidate ever winning so you're ****ed either way

thats 100% true.....but its such an old, tiring train of thought....like as an individual, you can only "belong to 1 club..."
You can only be correct, and everyone else on the other side is wrong....and god forbid you say otherwise....

I don't identify with much of anything on the conservative side of politics. in respect to foreign policy and economics I'd say I'm moderate, not left.....but clearly i'm not righty, socially.....

You know what would be an interesting social experiment? Elections with no faces, no party labels, just the platform in which politicians run....and see who gets elected year in and year out.
I'm willing to bet that both sides of voters will find that they actually identify with certain platforms that have no affiliation to their "chosen" party. Especially on the topics of economics, where most people are completely stupid lol. idk, i think we'd be surprised.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:29 PM
When asked about the hire on Wednesday, General Manager Jerry Reese stood by the team's decision, saying Tyree was not only qualified for the job, but is allowed to have his own religious beliefs and opinions even if they do not reflect the organization's beliefs and opinions.

"Number one, he was qualified for the job. He is a terrific fit for us and we're happy to have him on board," Reese said prior to practice. "Sometimes you say some things that maybe you don't want to say or shouldn't have said and things can get blown out of proportion to a degree. But I'm not here to talk about social issues or somebody's personal opinion about their beliefs.

"I believe everybody should be treated equal, I believe everybody should be treated fairly, I believe everybody should have an opinion on what they want to say. Most of all I believe I should mind my own business and try to keep the plank out of my own eye."

That stance was not acceptable to the Human Rights Campaign however, who almost immediately released another statement blasting the Giants, Reese and Tyree following the General Manager's interview.

“The suggestion that LGBT people should somehow try to change an immutable aspect of their identity is not just silly, it’s downright dangerous,” said Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin. “David Tyree is seen as a role model by countless fans across the country. By promoting these harmful personal views shrouded as facts, there’s no question that he’s inflicting lasting damage on individuals – especially young people victimized by adults who see his words as license to try and ‘cure’ their homosexuality with physical and psychological torture tactics.”



These people are crazy............

Drez
07-23-2014, 03:29 PM
aren't you guys tired of two-party-politics?? It's so awful.There's a lot of disadvantages to having more than two parties, too. Makes for strange voting blocs and alliances. Not to self-invoke Godwin's Law, but that's how Hitler was able to get power in the Reichstag.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:30 PM
aren't you guys tired of two-party-politics?? It's so awful.
230 years of a two party system with the most prosperous nation in world history.

Yeah...Let's dump it.

This anti 2 party system stuff makes no sense. Its the only system that puts folks in office that are a product of real consensus.

Do you want some nut job with 24% of the vote as commander in chief?

We saw that in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:33 PM
There's a lot of disadvantages to having more than two parties, too. Makes for strange voting blocs and alliances. Not to self-invoke Godwin's Law, but that's how Hitler was able to get power in the Reichstag.
Yea just look at Ukraine, theres actual fist fights in Parliament at least once a week. Kitchcov should just start knocking people out. lol

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:34 PM
When asked about the hire on Wednesday, General Manager Jerry Reese stood by the team's decision, saying Tyree was not only qualified for the job,.....

i wonder what makes him qualified?

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:35 PM
230 years of a two party system with the most prosperous nation in world history.

Yeah...Let's dump it.

This anti 2 party system stuff makes no sense. Its the only system that puts folks in office that are a product of real consensus.

Do you want some nut job with 24% of the vote as commander in chief?

We saw that in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood.Very good point. I would like to see more independents though.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:36 PM
230 years of a two party system with the most prosperous nation in world history.

Yeah...Let's dump it.

This anti 2 party system stuff makes no sense. Its the only system that puts folks in office that are a product of real consensus.

Do you want some nut job with 24% of the vote as commander in chief?

We saw that in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think im less opposed to the 2 party system, and more opposed to how people blindly follow a party. kinda like how I mentioned in my last post quoting e420

Drez
07-23-2014, 03:37 PM
When asked about the hire on Wednesday, General Manager Jerry Reese stood by the team's decision, saying Tyree was not only qualified for the job, but is allowed to have his own religious beliefs and opinions even if they do not reflect the organization's beliefs and opinions.

"Number one, he was qualified for the job. He is a terrific fit for us and we're happy to have him on board," Reese said prior to practice. "Sometimes you say some things that maybe you don't want to say or shouldn't have said and things can get blown out of proportion to a degree. But I'm not here to talk about social issues or somebody's personal opinion about their beliefs.

"I believe everybody should be treated equal, I believe everybody should be treated fairly, I believe everybody should have an opinion on what they want to say. Most of all I believe I should mind my own business and try to keep the plank out of my own eye."

That stance was not acceptable to the Human Rights Campaign however, who almost immediately released another statement blasting the Giants, Reese and Tyree following the General Manager's interview.

“The suggestion that LGBT people should somehow try to change an immutable aspect of their identity is not just silly, it’s downright dangerous,” said Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin. “David Tyree is seen as a role model by countless fans across the country. By promoting these harmful personal views shrouded as facts, there’s no question that he’s inflicting lasting damage on individuals – especially young people victimized by adults who see his words as license to try and ‘cure’ their homosexuality with physical and psychological torture tactics.”



These people are crazy............Have you seen or read about what goes on at "convversion" camps?

If Tyree can actually not let his personal beliefs interfere with his duties, then fine. However, if he's known to be anti-homosexual how comfortable would a gay player feel about approaching him if needed, particularly if the issue dealt with his homosexuality?

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:41 PM
Have you seen or read about what goes on at "convversion" camps?

If Tyree can actually not let his personal beliefs interfere with his duties, then fine. However, if he's known to be anti-homosexual how comfortable would a gay player feel about approaching him if needed, particularly if the issue dealt with his homosexuality?
Oh my God what a reach.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:43 PM
I think im less opposed to the 2 party system, and more opposed to how people blindly follow a party. kinda like how I mentioned in my last post quoting e420
Over the last 20 years, more voters are describing themselves as independents. It's a larger voting block than either party.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:45 PM
Burn the boats

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:50 PM
Burn the boats
Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

The only "slogan" that was worth a damn was "shut up and play".

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 03:52 PM
thats 100% true.....but its such an old, tiring train of thought....like as an individual, you can only "belong to 1 club..."
You can only be correct, and everyone else on the other side is wrong....and god forbid you say otherwise....

I don't identify with much of anything on the conservative side of politics. in respect to foreign policy and economics I'd say I'm moderate, not left.....but clearly i'm not righty, socially.....

You know what would be an interesting social experiment? Elections with no faces, no party labels, just the platform in which politicians run....and see who gets elected year in and year out.
I'm willing to bet that both sides of voters will find that they actually identify with certain platforms that have no affiliation to their "chosen" party. Especially on the topics of economics, where most people are completely stupid lol. idk, i think we'd be surprised.

The whole thing is a friggin scam and people are starting to wake up and see it for what it is thanks to independent news online.

The mainstream media is set up to keep 50% of the population fighting with the other 50%. They want you in one of 2 boxes. And if someone is in the other box you must see them as a bad person and attack them.

I'm not in a box, there are stuff from one side I like and stuff from the other side I like. I'm not a full fledged libertarian but I am libertarian on most issues. The dishonesty, thievery, and corruption is widespread and ubiquitous in both parties.

What's funny is I see more common goals between the Tea Party and the occupy crowd than the media would ever have you think. Both of these grassroots movements are sick of the corruption of the political establishment but they keep us fighting because if we put aside small issues like social issues and came together, the establishment would be in serious trouble.

Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy known to man.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:52 PM
Over the last 20 years, more voters are describing themselves as independents. It's a larger voting block than either party.

I'm registered as an independant. but that's because i knew how media tries to sway public opinion by saying "Well, there's still an extra 152million registered republicans out there who havent voted yet, so we cant be sure!"

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 03:54 PM
Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

The only "slogan" that was worth a damn was "shut up and play".

seriously...i dont even know whats going on right now ahahahahha.

Shut Up & Play was great.....

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:56 PM
I'm registered as an independant. but that's because i knew how media tries to sway public opinion by saying "Well, there's still an extra 152million registered republicans out there who havent voted yet, so we cant be sure!"
I'm a registered republican because I want to participate in the primary process and the GOP philosophy on economic and fiscal issues more closely resembles mine.
I personally don't give a **** what their social beliefs are because politicians, especially presidents can't effect social change in any profound way.
That generally comes from the bottom up.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 03:56 PM
Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

The only "slogan" that was worth a damn was "shut up and play".

"Execute hiiiim!!!!"
http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwec0jYyWM1qa763oo1_500.png

Drez
07-23-2014, 03:56 PM
Oh my God what a reach.

So, would you feel comfortable approaching someone whose beliefs say that you will go to hell, particularly if the issue you needed to deal with centered around that?

It's not a reach at all.

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 03:59 PM
So, would you feel comfortable approaching someone whose beliefs say that you will go to hell, particularly if the issue you needed to deal with centered around that?

It's not a reach at all.
Players don't give a ****. They just want to go somewhere to play and make a living.
No one cares except fringe folks like you what someone's political or social beliefs are.

And my sister believes I'm going to hell since I haven't been born again and I'd trust her with my life.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 03:59 PM
I'm a registered republican because I want to participate in the primary process and the GOP philosophy on economic and fiscal issues more closely resembles mine.
I personally don't give a **** what their social beliefs are because politicians, especially presidents can't effect social change in any profound way.
That generally comes from the bottom up.

The republican party of Reagan is no more... You have crooks and miserable degenerates like Karl Rove running the show and they keep pushing these fake conservatives.

George W... What a terrible president. This guy is supposed to have been conservative? He expanded government more than anyone before him, only exceeded by Obama. And now they're trying to push his brother.....

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 03:59 PM
I really don't want to have this debate

it upsets me

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 04:01 PM
I really don't want to have this debate

it upsets me

k

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 04:01 PM
The Republicans no longer stand for small government and individual freedom and liberty.... They've seen how big government lines up their pockets and now they want a piece of the action.

dezzzR
07-23-2014, 04:01 PM
I really don't want to have this debate

it upsets me
you ran and won dem president of your school and this stuff upsets you? lol You sound like the president.

Rudyy
07-23-2014, 04:02 PM
k
hahahhaha

it upsets me greatly

just kidding, i don't care one way or another..it's just..ugh so negative and I hate that lol


can we talk about bunnies and rainbows?

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 04:03 PM
The republican party of Reagan is no more... You have crooks and miserable degenerates like Karl Rove running the show and they keep pushing these fake conservatives.

George W... What a terrible president. This guy is supposed to have been conservative? He expanded government more than anyone before him, only exceeded by Obama. And now they're trying to push his brother.....
Another eason to align yourself with a political party.
You can't create change if you don't participate in the party.

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 04:07 PM
Another eason to align yourself with a political party.
You can't create change if you don't participate in the party.

How can you align yourself with them when they keep spitting in your face?

I can't align with either because I'm Canadian but it's the same BS here.... I vote conservative and when they win they get caught in scandals and waste tax payer money.

My political beliefs and theories are one thing, but my trust and faith in politicians is lower than nonexistent. They're the scummiest of all.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 04:10 PM
How can you align yourself with them when they keep spitting in your face?

I can't align with either because I'm Canadian but it's the same BS here.... I vote conservative and when they win they get caught in scandals and waste tax payer money.

My political beliefs and theories are one thing, but my trust and faith in politicians is lower than nonexistent. They're the scummiest of all.

I read this and thought it said "Sitting on your face"...and was like "Gooo onnnnnnnn...."

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 04:13 PM
I read this and thought it said "Sitting on your face"...and was like "Gooo onnnnnnnn...."

Oh you....

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 04:13 PM
How can you align yourself with them when they keep spitting in your face?

I can't align with either because I'm Canadian but it's the same BS here.... I vote conservative and when they win they get caught in scandals and waste tax payer money.

My political beliefs and theories are one thing, but my trust and faith in politicians is lower than nonexistent. They're the scummiest of all.
George W was a crappy president. No doubt about that. But they are far closer to what I believe in fiscal matters than the Dem's are.

And there is a new movement starting in the GOP. It started with Ron Paul and now it's been moved along by Rand. One day you will see the GOP go to a far more libertarian philosophy and I would like to help do my part in making that happen.
That doesn't mean that I support Rand Paul for president because I don't think he has the temperament or the experience. But I do share a more libertarian point of view as I get older.
The only place to nurture that is in the republican party.
The Dem's have gone off the deep end with their views of big government.

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 04:13 PM
Oh you....

http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/happy-oh-stop-it-you-l.png

egyptian420
07-23-2014, 04:17 PM
George W was a crappy president. No doubt about that. But they are far closer to what I believe in fiscal matters than the Dem's are.

And there is a new movement starting in the GOP. It started with Ron Paul and now it's been moved along by Rand. One day you will see the GOP go to a far more libertarian philosophy and I would like to help do my part in making that happen.
That doesn't mean that I support Rand Paul for president because I don't think he has the temperament or the experience. But I do share a more libertarian point of view as I get older.
The only place to nurture that is in the republican party.
The Dem's have gone off the deep end with their views of big government.

Well we have similar political views perhaps you're more hopeful and optimistic about the future than I. I truly hope you're right.

As for the Dems we both agree on that for sure

JPizzack
07-23-2014, 04:21 PM
the fact that JP is incredibly sexy, we both agree on that for sure

aww thanks bud....y'aint so bad yerself

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 04:23 PM
Well we have similar political views perhaps you're more hopeful and optimistic about the future than I. I truly hope you're right.

As for the Dems we both agree on that for sure

Can't quit on the country my friend. Gotta keep fighting for what you think is right.
We've gone through a rough patch with two presidents that were way over their heads.
The voters will probably correct their mistakes.

byron
07-23-2014, 04:38 PM
Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

The only "slogan" that was worth a damn was "shut up and play". All in was a good one also at the time it seemed like the players really brought in and kicked it up a notch.......Idk ...burn the boat... losing his ****ing mind

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 04:42 PM
All in was a good one also at the time it seemed like the players really brought in and kicked it up a notch.......Idk ...burn the boat... losing his ****ing mind

I mean..."burn the friggin boats"?????

What the hell?

I think "shut up and play" shouldn't be their slogan.
It should just be what they DO for God's sake!

Laurah1275
07-23-2014, 04:46 PM
Sup? Happy Hump Day :)

Morehead State
07-23-2014, 04:47 PM
Sup? Happy Hump Day :)
"Burn The Boats" Laura.

Don't you feel better?

byron
07-23-2014, 04:59 PM
I mean..."burn the friggin boats"?????

What the hell?

I think "shut up and play" shouldn't be their slogan.
It should just be what they DO for God's sake! heres the new fight song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHwyb3bsUQ