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Morehead State
07-08-2009, 12:36 PM
mj

You are the last person I would think of to refer to Michael Jackson as MJ.

There is only one MJ...
</P>


Maurice Jarre. The song writer?</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:36 PM
Lando i like ur optimism... but theres a time to be realistic....



So when are you starting?

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 12:36 PM
oh and nice apple bottom sig[Y]</p>


</p>


lol thanks.</p>


</p>


is that really you at the superbowl? if i knew you 2 years ago............................................... .</p>


</p>


yeahh thats really me why. it was ummmm BY FAR the best weekend of my life!!</p>


</p>


what do you mean why??? lol thats ****ing awesome. and i bet it was. honestly if i went i think my life would of been fulfilled.</p>


</p>


yeah it was an amazing experience with an even more of an amazing outcome... if i could have paused one second of my life this far it would be eli kneeling and me hearing and the GIANTS WIN... my heart skips a beat thinking about it.. i thought i was gonna pass out! lol</p>

I remember watching the last drive, I'm sitting on the couch shaking and all nervous... my family's like "Chris, calm down! It's just a game... what changes about your life if they win this game?" and I tuned them out.

I remember having a heart attack and screaming for joy on Tyree's play and then losing my mind when Plax caught the TD... then when Alford's sack happened, I knew they were winning...

And may I say it is so much fun to be the only Giants fan in your group (this is before I met you guys of course)

Great times.......
i was shaking too. especially that last bomb to moss. my nuts felt like they were in my throat. plaxs td i remember doing an evil scream/ laugh. lol i would of fainted if i was their though

The first thought that went through my head when Plax caught the TD was "crap.... Brady has 35 seconds and 3 timeouts"

Last bomb to Moss, I just held my breath and screamed "INCOMPLETE!!!"

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:37 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.
</p>


buuuut he was quoted "yes, i sleep with little boys."</p>



Right. I know that. I just think the fact that he had no childhood sucked for him and he tried to make up for it by spending lots of times with kids. I am not justifying his behavior by any means but no one really knows the truth except for him and the kids. No one has ever came out and said he did that to them. It doesn't look good when you pay a $20 million dollar settlement but maybe that is what it cost to keep his name clean or maybe he did it. Truth is no one will ever know.


Lando... if u believe that i got an ocean-front property in Nebraska i want to see u dirt cheap

theres a difference than being around kids and doing things for them cmopared to having them sleep in the same bed in their underwear...

How do you know they were in their underwear? I just think you are very quick to judge the man and give him no credit or benefit of the doubt what so ever. I know you don't believe everything you read and see on the news. I am not saying I believe it, I am not saying I don't believe it. I am saying that you have no clue if he did or didn't. Just like we have no clue if Kobe raped that girl or he didn't. I just think you are being hard on him. He was a father, a brother and arguably the most popular man that has ever lived. No one knows what it was like for him. He could not walk down the street, he could not go in public. People attacked him and made claims on purpose because of how much money he had. "Mo money, mo problems". Like I said, no one knows the truth Matt. Not even you.
</p>


Hey, everybody loved that guy.I was hoping he was innocent during the trial. But the evidence was so compelling. And then came the civil trail which was even more compelling. The guy killed those two people.</p>


But he was the greatest RB I EVER saw. There is no close second. He was essentially a perfect RB.</p>

i dont believe in declaring much when it comes to comparing other generations, but come on, better than Barry Sanders? Two diff style runners... but still.. Barry was insane

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:38 PM
Lando i like ur optimism... but theres a time to be realistic....



So when are you starting?



realizing that OJ killed those people is step one in joinign reality

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:38 PM
The guy killed those two people.</p>
You are probably right. I think OJ is far more guilty than Michael. But no one has been able to prove what they did beyond a shadow of a doubt. OJ got his though and I am sure alot of people were happy.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 12:38 PM
mj

You are the last person I would think of to refer to Michael Jackson as MJ.

There is only one MJ...


http://thedailymind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/michael_jordan_drunk.jpg

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:40 PM
The guy killed those two people.</p>
You are probably right. I think OJ is far more guilty than Michael. But no one has been able to prove what they did beyond a shadow of a doubt. OJ got his though and I am sure alot of people were happy.


just curious... if that was true then how come some cases he faught and some he paid off?

these things just dont come out of no where... if u really think there is nothing wrong with laying down with children in their underwear privately with nobody around then please remind me to never let u babysit anybody i know lol

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Lando i like ur optimism... but theres a time to be realistic....



So when are you starting?



realizing that OJ killed those people is step one in joinign reality

When something concrete comes out then I will believe it. Until then he has never been proven guilty of murdering those people. Whether he did it and Johnny got him off or maybe he didn't. Maybe he paid to have it done.

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.
</P>


buuuut he was quoted "yes, i sleep with little boys."</P>



Right. I know that. I just think the fact that he had no childhood sucked for him and he tried to make up for it by spending lots of times with kids. I am not justifying his behavior by any means but no one really knows the truth except for him and the kids. No one has ever came out and said he did that to them. It doesn't look good when you pay a $20 million dollar settlement but maybe that is what it cost to keep his name clean or maybe he did it. Truth is no one will ever know.


Lando... if u believe that i got an ocean-front property in Nebraska i want to see u dirt cheap

theres a difference than being around kids and doing things for them cmopared to having them sleep in the same bed in their underwear...

How do you know they were in their underwear? I just think you are very quick to judge the man and give him no credit or benefit of the doubt what so ever. I know you don't believe everything you read and see on the news. I am not saying I believe it, I am not saying I don't believe it. I am saying that you have no clue if he did or didn't. Just like we have no clue if Kobe raped that girl or he didn't. I just think you are being hard on him. He was a father, a brother and arguably the most popular man that has ever lived. No one knows what it was like for him. He could not walk down the street, he could not go in public. People attacked him and made claims on purpose because of how much money he had. "Mo money, mo problems". Like I said, no one knows the truth Matt. Not even you.
</P>


Hey, everybody loved that guy.I was hoping he was innocent during the trial. But the evidence was so compelling. And then came the civil trail which was even more compelling. The guy killed those two people.</P>


But he was the greatest RB I EVER saw. There is no close second. He was essentially a perfect RB.</P>




i dont believe in declaring much when it comes to comparing other generations, but come on, better than Barry Sanders? Two diff style runners... but still.. Barry was insane
</P>


There are only a few backs who even if you knew they were getting the ball, you couldn't stop.</P>


OJ was at the top of that list. He was big, strong and had sprinters speed. He ran a 9.1 in the 100 yard dash at USC. His balance and instincts are legendary.</P>


Week 14, 1973 vs. the Jets he needed around 200 yards to get to 2000. They all knew he was getting the ball and they could do nothing to stop him. They took him out early because he had done it with a lot of time left. </P>


You just had to see him run to appreciate it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:43 PM
Lando i like ur optimism... but theres a time to be realistic....



So when are you starting?



realizing that OJ killed those people is step one in joinign reality

When something concrete comes out then I will believe it. Until then he has never been proven guilty of murdering those people. Whether he did it and Johnny got him off or maybe he didn't. Maybe he paid to have it done.


i never thought the day would come where someone actually defends oj... u must be bored

shocknaweny
07-08-2009, 12:43 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.


yea OJ was innocent too

You are right, he was...



Landon OJ wrote a book called

" If I did it "

basically it was a confession and him bragging about those murders....


he did that **** and I hope he burns in hell for it !!!

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 12:44 PM
Lando i like ur optimism... but theres a time to be realistic....



So when are you starting?



realizing that OJ killed those people is step one in joinign reality

When something concrete comes out then I will believe it. Until then he has never been proven guilty of murdering those people. Whether he did it and Johnny got him off or maybe he didn't. Maybe he paid to have it done.
</P>


What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:46 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.
</p>


buuuut he was quoted "yes, i sleep with little boys."</p>



Right. I know that. I just think the fact that he had no childhood sucked for him and he tried to make up for it by spending lots of times with kids. I am not justifying his behavior by any means but no one really knows the truth except for him and the kids. No one has ever came out and said he did that to them. It doesn't look good when you pay a $20 million dollar settlement but maybe that is what it cost to keep his name clean or maybe he did it. Truth is no one will ever know.


Lando... if u believe that i got an ocean-front property in Nebraska i want to see u dirt cheap

theres a difference than being around kids and doing things for them cmopared to having them sleep in the same bed in their underwear...

How do you know they were in their underwear? I just think you are very quick to judge the man and give him no credit or benefit of the doubt what so ever. I know you don't believe everything you read and see on the news. I am not saying I believe it, I am not saying I don't believe it. I am saying that you have no clue if he did or didn't. Just like we have no clue if Kobe raped that girl or he didn't. I just think you are being hard on him. He was a father, a brother and arguably the most popular man that has ever lived. No one knows what it was like for him. He could not walk down the street, he could not go in public. People attacked him and made claims on purpose because of how much money he had. "Mo money, mo problems". Like I said, no one knows the truth Matt. Not even you.
</p>


Hey, everybody loved that guy.I was hoping he was innocent during the trial. But the evidence was so compelling. And then came the civil trail which was even more compelling. The guy killed those two people.</p>


But he was the greatest RB I EVER saw. There is no close second. He was essentially a perfect RB.</p>




i dont believe in declaring much when it comes to comparing other generations, but come on, better than Barry Sanders? Two diff style runners... but still.. Barry was insane
</p>


There are only a few backs who even if you knew they were getting the ball, you couldn't stop.</p>


OJ was at the top of that list. He was big, strong and had sprinters speed. He ran a 9.1 in the 100 yard dash at USC. His balance and instincts are legendary.</p>


Week 14, 1973 vs. the Jets he needed around 200 yards to get to 2000. They all knew he was getting the ball and they could do nothing to stop him. They took him out early because he had done it with a lot of time left. </p>


You just had to see him run to appreciate it.</p>

yea but look at the numbers... Barry did it with the worst team in the league too.. played less years more yards better averages more TDs... and was the slickest mofo to ever play the game...

but like i said i didn't see OJ, but Barry was insane

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:46 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.


yea OJ was innocent too

You are right, he was...



Landon OJ wrote a book called

" If I did it "

basically it was a confession and him bragging about those murders....


he did that **** and I hope he burns in hell for it !!!

well hes rotting in jail now...

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:47 PM
The guy killed those two people.</p>
You are probably right. I think OJ is far more guilty than Michael. But no one has been able to prove what they did beyond a shadow of a doubt. OJ got his though and I am sure alot of people were happy.


just curious... if that was true then how come some cases he faught and some he paid off?

these things just dont come out of no where... if u really think there is nothing wrong with laying down with children in their underwear privately with nobody around then please remind me to never let u babysit anybody i know lol

How do you know they were in their underwear? If that is the case I think there is something wrong with that and it is very strange but it doesn't mean he touched the kids and molested them. I am a very good babysitter thank you very much. I am not condoning what he did but I am just saying that he might not have done those things. Which ones did he fight and which ones did he settle? You speak about it like you have extensive knowledge of all the cases.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:48 PM
i never thought the day would come where someone actually defends oj... u must be bored

I am not defending him. I am just saying he was never proven guilty. Innocent until proven guilty.

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 12:49 PM
If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit.
</P>


bsthey should of made him wear a latex glove, not tape his ****in hand up like hes about to go 12 rounds. dna at the crime scene, case closed. you got all these liberal lawyers and judges giving murderers, rapist, and child molesters slaps on the wrists and now ojs getting life for trying to rob a casino or some ****. hmm go figure</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:49 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>
I don't know what you are talking about....

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:50 PM
The guy killed those two people.</p>
You are probably right. I think OJ is far more guilty than Michael. But no one has been able to prove what they did beyond a shadow of a doubt. OJ got his though and I am sure alot of people were happy.


just curious... if that was true then how come some cases he faught and some he paid off?

these things just dont come out of no where... if u really think there is nothing wrong with laying down with children in their underwear privately with nobody around then please remind me to never let u babysit anybody i know lol

How do you know they were in their underwear? If that is the case I think there is something wrong with that and it is very strange but it doesn't mean he touched the kids and molested them. I am a very good babysitter thank you very much. I am not condoning what he did but I am just saying that he might not have done those things. Which ones did he fight and which ones did he settle? You speak about it like you have extensive knowledge of all the cases.


because he admitted that. those words came out of his mouth... thats how i know

if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a ****in duck

J-GuN24
07-08-2009, 12:52 PM
Sup fellas its been a long time... Sorry i havent been around... Whats new?

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 12:53 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.
</P>


buuuut he was quoted "yes, i sleep with little boys."</P>



Right. I know that. I just think the fact that he had no childhood sucked for him and he tried to make up for it by spending lots of times with kids. I am not justifying his behavior by any means but no one really knows the truth except for him and the kids. No one has ever came out and said he did that to them. It doesn't look good when you pay a $20 million dollar settlement but maybe that is what it cost to keep his name clean or maybe he did it. Truth is no one will ever know.


Lando... if u believe that i got an ocean-front property in Nebraska i want to see u dirt cheap

theres a difference than being around kids and doing things for them cmopared to having them sleep in the same bed in their underwear...

How do you know they were in their underwear? I just think you are very quick to judge the man and give him no credit or benefit of the doubt what so ever. I know you don't believe everything you read and see on the news. I am not saying I believe it, I am not saying I don't believe it. I am saying that you have no clue if he did or didn't. Just like we have no clue if Kobe raped that girl or he didn't. I just think you are being hard on him. He was a father, a brother and arguably the most popular man that has ever lived. No one knows what it was like for him. He could not walk down the street, he could not go in public. People attacked him and made claims on purpose because of how much money he had. "Mo money, mo problems". Like I said, no one knows the truth Matt. Not even you.
</P>


Hey, everybody loved that guy.I was hoping he was innocent during the trial. But the evidence was so compelling. And then came the civil trail which was even more compelling. The guy killed those two people.</P>


But he was the greatest RB I EVER saw. There is no close second. He was essentially a perfect RB.</P>




i dont believe in declaring much when it comes to comparing other generations, but come on, better than Barry Sanders? Two diff style runners... but still.. Barry was insane
</P>


There are only a few backs who even if you knew they were getting the ball, you couldn't stop.</P>


OJ was at the top of that list. He was big, strong and had sprinters speed. He ran a 9.1 in the 100 yard dash at USC. His balance and instincts are legendary.</P>


Week 14, 1973 vs. the Jets he needed around 200 yards to get to 2000. They all knew he was getting the ball and they could do nothing to stop him. They took him out early because he had done it with a lot of time left. </P>


You just had to see him run to appreciate it.</P>




yea but look at the numbers... Barry did it with the worst team in the league too.. played less years more yards better averages more TDs... and was the slickest mofo to ever play the game...

but like i said i didn't see OJ, but Barry was insane
</P>


I loved Barry, but OJ was better. He tore up his knee near the end of his career and finished with the 49rs, a shell of his former self. Plus, if you want to look at #'s, no one has broken his 2003 yards in 14 games.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:55 PM
The guy killed those two people.</p>
You are probably right. I think OJ is far more guilty than Michael. But no one has been able to prove what they did beyond a shadow of a doubt. OJ got his though and I am sure alot of people were happy.


just curious... if that was true then how come some cases he faught and some he paid off?

these things just dont come out of no where... if u really think there is nothing wrong with laying down with children in their underwear privately with nobody around then please remind me to never let u babysit anybody i know lol

How do you know they were in their underwear? If that is the case I think there is something wrong with that and it is very strange but it doesn't mean he touched the kids and molested them. I am a very good babysitter thank you very much. I am not condoning what he did but I am just saying that he might not have done those things. Which ones did he fight and which ones did he settle? You speak about it like you have extensive knowledge of all the cases.


extensive knowledge is not some cases were dismissed because he settled and some were seen all the way thru....

thats not really extensive knowledge... i'd say its pretty minimal

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 12:55 PM
If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit.
</p>


dna at the crime scene, case closed.
</p>
Then why was it not closed? I don't understand how he got off it all these things were against him.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:56 PM
Michael was never found guilty of child molestation for the record.....Just because you pay a settlement doesn't mean you did it.
</p>


buuuut he was quoted "yes, i sleep with little boys."</p>



Right. I know that. I just think the fact that he had no childhood sucked for him and he tried to make up for it by spending lots of times with kids. I am not justifying his behavior by any means but no one really knows the truth except for him and the kids. No one has ever came out and said he did that to them. It doesn't look good when you pay a $20 million dollar settlement but maybe that is what it cost to keep his name clean or maybe he did it. Truth is no one will ever know.


Lando... if u believe that i got an ocean-front property in Nebraska i want to see u dirt cheap

theres a difference than being around kids and doing things for them cmopared to having them sleep in the same bed in their underwear...

How do you know they were in their underwear? I just think you are very quick to judge the man and give him no credit or benefit of the doubt what so ever. I know you don't believe everything you read and see on the news. I am not saying I believe it, I am not saying I don't believe it. I am saying that you have no clue if he did or didn't. Just like we have no clue if Kobe raped that girl or he didn't. I just think you are being hard on him. He was a father, a brother and arguably the most popular man that has ever lived. No one knows what it was like for him. He could not walk down the street, he could not go in public. People attacked him and made claims on purpose because of how much money he had. "Mo money, mo problems". Like I said, no one knows the truth Matt. Not even you.
</p>


Hey, everybody loved that guy.I was hoping he was innocent during the trial. But the evidence was so compelling. And then came the civil trail which was even more compelling. The guy killed those two people.</p>


But he was the greatest RB I EVER saw. There is no close second. He was essentially a perfect RB.</p>




i dont believe in declaring much when it comes to comparing other generations, but come on, better than Barry Sanders? Two diff style runners... but still.. Barry was insane
</p>


There are only a few backs who even if you knew they were getting the ball, you couldn't stop.</p>


OJ was at the top of that list. He was big, strong and had sprinters speed. He ran a 9.1 in the 100 yard dash at USC. His balance and instincts are legendary.</p>


Week 14, 1973 vs. the Jets he needed around 200 yards to get to 2000. They all knew he was getting the ball and they could do nothing to stop him. They took him out early because he had done it with a lot of time left. </p>


You just had to see him run to appreciate it.</p>




yea but look at the numbers... Barry did it with the worst team in the league too.. played less years more yards better averages more TDs... and was the slickest mofo to ever play the game...

but like i said i didn't see OJ, but Barry was insane
</p>


I loved Barry, but OJ was better. He tore up his knee near the end of his career and finished with the 49rs, a shell of his former self. Plus, if you want to look at #'s, no one has broken his 2003 yards in 14 games.</p>

true but OJ also played one more year than Barry

but yea thats asick stat

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 12:57 PM
If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit.
</P>


dna at the crime scene, case closed.
</P>
Then why was it not closed? I don't understand how he got off it all these things were against him.
mooooney and lawyers and a ******ed grand jury.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 12:58 PM
If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit.
</p>


dna at the crime scene, case closed.
</p>
Then why was it not closed? I don't understand how he got off it all these things were against him.


alot of evidence was brought forth late and evidence was dismissed because it wasn't handled properly...

the loopholes and bull****.. plus good lawyers

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 12:59 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:00 PM
extensive knowledge is not some cases were dismissed because he settled and some were seen all the way thru....

thats not really extensive knowledge... i'd say its pretty minimal

I am asking how you know they were seen all the way through and some were settled? Can you google that or find some info that says otherwise...

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:02 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 01:02 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL


OJ and Jacko.....

it's a dark day

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:03 PM
extensive knowledge is not some cases were dismissed because he settled and some were seen all the way thru....

thats not really extensive knowledge... i'd say its pretty minimal

I am asking how you know they were seen all the way through and some were settled? Can you google that or find some info that says otherwise...


mother****er u got google, if ur not believing me then go do the research urself lol

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL
</P>


Its all Matt's fault. but we did find a pidgeon who thinks OJ was innocent.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL


check ur pm mofo

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 01:04 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL
what it dooo mang

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:04 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL
</p>


Its all Matt's fault. but we did find a pidgeon who thinks OJ was innocent.</p>
"If the glove dont fit, you MUST acquit", LOL

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:06 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:06 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL
what it dooo mang
chinchillin my dude, just finished a lil workout now its time for a lil post smoke and GMB posting, LOL

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:07 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>
That is pretty crazy. Maybe he did do it. Maybe he didn't do it. Only OJ knows...

If they did the trial again and handled everything correctly maybe it would have turned out different.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Whats good my fellow heads

WOW, we're talking OJ 2day?!?!?!?

Howd it get 2 this, LOL
</p>


Its all Matt's fault. but we did find a pidgeon who thinks OJ was innocent.</p>


actually its shocknawe's, i responded to his comments

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:08 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:08 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>



That is pretty crazy. Maybe he did do it. Maybe he didn't do it. Only OJ knows...

If they did the trial again and handled everything correctly maybe it would have turned out different.
</P>


Only OJ and about 300 million people who were paying attention.</P>

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:09 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
</P>


that would certainly be a close second.</P>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 01:11 PM
http://roflr***i.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/celebrity-pictures-oj-simpson-logic-murder.jpg

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 01:13 PM
the problem is when you get away with something like that you become over confident and start thinking you can get away with anything.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:13 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
</p>


that would certainly be a close second.</p>Dear God I hope you mean that The OJ Trial was a close 2nd, cause there's no way in HELL that any case is more of a overwhelming travesty and disgusting abuse of the justice system than what went on with The Rodney King Trial....

...This may wind up being Kase-1 vs Morehead Round 2, LOL

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:15 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
</P>


that would certainly be a close second.</P>


Dear God I hope you mean that The OJ Trial was a close 2nd, cause there's no way in HELL that any case is more of a overwhelming travesty and disgusting abuse of the justice system than what went on with The Rodney King Trial....

...This may wind up being Kase-1 vs Morehead Round 2, LOL
</P>


My point is that they were both miscarraiges of justice. Certainly the impact of the King trial was far more devastating. </P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.
</P>


I think this is a good time to put aside the bad, including all the allegations. BUT, they are treating him like he was Mother Theresa. Its WAY over the top and dishonest.</P>

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:26 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.
and as crazy as it sounds, what if he actually did think he was a kid and he was just sleeping with the kids not 'sleeping' with the kids, I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:26 PM
"We will never understand what he endured... Being judged, ridiculed.
How much pain can one take? Maybe, now, Michael, they will leave you
alone," Marlon Jackson stated at his brother's tribute.

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:28 PM
"We will never understand what he endured... Being judged, ridiculed. How much pain can one take? Maybe, now, Michael, they will leave you alone," Marlon Jackson stated at his brother's tribute.</P>


They still aren't leaving Elvis alone.</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:28 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:29 PM
They still aren't leaving Elvis alone.</p>
What did he do?

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:30 PM
They still aren't leaving Elvis alone.</P>



What did he do?
</P>


He was a bit of a singer and part time actor.</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:30 PM
Perhaps Jackson's queerness was more a function of society's homophobia than it was his own.

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 01:31 PM
<u>ready for inappropriate TMI story of the day?</u>

So I brought a girl home from bowling last night and she goes to the bathroom first, anyhow, I do the normal...and drive her home at 3am cause she has to go home for some reason (needed to pack cause she was going the the beach if I remember correctly) anyhow, I went to the bathroom this morning before going to work and there was no toilet paper on the roll, there is some under the sink, but I'm wondering, did she wipe? cause that's nasty if she didn't, I'm hoping she used the last of the roll.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:31 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 01:32 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all


you don't sleep with other peoples young kids...regardless of whether their clothes are on or anything happens or not.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:33 PM
They still aren't leaving Elvis alone.</p>



What did he do?
</p>


He was a bit of a singer and part time actor.</p>
I know that smartass. lol

Was he ever accused of anything.

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:33 PM
<U>ready for inappropriate TMI story of the day?</U>

So I brought a girl home from bowling last night and she goes to the bathroom first, anyhow, I do the normal...and drive her home at 3am cause she has to go home for some reason (needed to pack cause she was going the the beach if I remember correctly) anyhow, I went to the bathroom this morning before going to work and there was no toilet paper on the roll, there is some under the sink, but I'm wondering, did she wipe? cause that's nasty if she didn't.
</P>


My life just got a little worse for having to read this.</P>


Thanks, Daven.</P>

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:33 PM
They still aren't leaving Elvis alone.</P>



What did he do?
</P>


He was a bit of a singer and part time actor.</P>



I know that smartass. lol

Was he ever accused of anything.
</P>


It was the drug use. It killed him at 42.</P>

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:33 PM
Perhaps Jackson's queerness was more a function of society's homophobia than it was his own.WOW...... May I stand and applaud you Lando [B]

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:34 PM
<h5><font size="4" face="Rockwell">June 27, 2009</font></h5>


<font size="4" color="#000000" face="Rockwell">http://awkwardstar.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/jordy-chandler-sized.jpg?w=183&amp;h=238&amp;h=238</font> (http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=50)</p>



<font size="4" face="Rockwell">After the death of Michael Jackson, Jordan Chandler tells the whole truth.</font></p>


<font size="4" face="Rockwell">In 1993, Chandler told a
psychiatrist and police that he (Jordan) and Jackson had engaged in
sexual acts which included oral sex. Jordan gave detailed description
of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported
amount of US$22 million, but the strain led Jackson to start taking
painkillers. Eventually he became addicted to these painkillers.</font></p>


<font size="4" color="#0000ff" face="Rockwell">Now after Michael’s death Chandler
decides to tell the truth. “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael
Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies. Now I can’t tell
Michael how much I’m sorry and if he will forgive me.” </font></p>


<font size="4" face="Rockwell">Under the influence of a father who
told his son to lie that Jackson had touched his genitals, Jordan
Chandler subsequently told a psychiatrist and later on the police that
he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral
sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were
Michael’s genitals.</font></p>


<font size="4" face="Rockwell"><font color="#0000ff">“Now for the first time I can’t bare
to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my
father’s lies to escape from being poor,” </font>Jordan said.</font></p>

Morehead State
07-08-2009, 01:35 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all
</P>


This is a softer, gentler side of you I haven't seen before.</P>


I find it both life affirming and troubling at the same time.</P>

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 01:37 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 01:37 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:37 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all


kase ur a diehard michael jackson fan...

if he wasn't a pop star u wouldn't be taking this stance... if Joe the guy who bags ur groceries did this, u wouldn't be saying this

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:37 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all
</p>


This is a softer, gentler side of you I haven't seen before.</p>


I find it both life affirming and troubling at the same time.</p>Morehead, Im an Enigma, LOL

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:38 PM
Perhaps Jackson's queerness was more a function of society's homophobia than it was his own.WOW...... May I stand and applaud you Lando [B]

I found that in an article. I can't take credit for it, but I totally agree. The girl who wrote that gets mad props from me.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:38 PM
Perhaps Jackson's queerness was more a function of society's homophobia than it was his own.WOW...... May I stand and applaud you Lando [B]


i don't tihnk homophobia has anyhting to do with it... if this was with little girls the outcries would be the same...

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 01:40 PM
<u>ready for inappropriate TMI story of the day?</u>

So I brought a girl home from bowling last night and she goes to the bathroom first, anyhow, I do the normal...and drive her home at 3am cause she has to go home for some reason (needed to pack cause she was going the the beach if I remember correctly) anyhow, I went to the bathroom this morning before going to work and there was no toilet paper on the roll, there is some under the sink, but I'm wondering, did she wipe? cause that's nasty if she didn't.
</p>


My life just got a little worse for having to read this.</p>


Thanks, Daven.</p>

could be worse, you could be wondering if you went down on piddle ***** last night.....

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:41 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all


kase ur a diehard michael jackson fan...

if he wasn't a pop star u wouldn't be taking this stance... if Joe the guy who bags ur groceries did this, u wouldn't be saying this
LOL, an MJ fan I am, LOL

If he was Joe the janitor or whoever it would be just as wierd and unacceptable, but all Im saying is that theres a chance that he didnt f*ck these kids, just literally sleep with them

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:41 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.


thats cuz he wanted them alive well and healthy...

donating money for these guys really isn't a big thing...

same goes for nfl players, actors, and other musicians...

Its nice and everything but most of them are for PR and tax breaks, so they really don't lose much after when its all said and done and they look good

those who actually donate their time are the ones who shuld be applauded

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:43 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all


kase ur a diehard michael jackson fan...

if he wasn't a pop star u wouldn't be taking this stance... if Joe the guy who bags ur groceries did this, u wouldn't be saying this
LOL, an MJ fan I am, LOL

If he was Joe the janitor or whoever it would be just as wierd and unacceptable, but all Im saying is that theres a chance that he didnt f*ck these kids, just literally sleep with them


okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:46 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:46 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.


thats cuz he wanted them alive well and healthy...
<font color="#0000ff">
donating money for these guys really isn't a big thing...
</font>
those who actually donate their time are the ones who shuld be applauded

He has given the most that anyone has ever. He also gave 20% of his entire estate. He has donated his time also to kids, hospitals and places all over the world. Don't downplay this at least. Come on bro...

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:47 PM
<font size="4" face="Rockwell"><font size="6" color="#0000ff">MMB - Still waiting</font>

After the death of Michael Jackson, Jordan Chandler tells the whole truth.</font>


<font size="4" face="Rockwell">In 1993, Chandler told a
psychiatrist and police that he (Jordan) and Jackson had engaged in
sexual acts which included oral sex. Jordan gave detailed description
of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported
amount of US$22 million, but the strain led Jackson to start taking
painkillers. Eventually he became addicted to these painkillers.</font></p>


<font size="4" color="#0000ff" face="Rockwell">Now after Michael’s death Chandler
decides to tell the truth. “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael
Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies. Now I can’t tell
Michael how much I’m sorry and if he will forgive me.” </font></p>



<font size="4" face="Rockwell"><font color="#0000ff">“Now for the first time I can’t bare
to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my
father’s lies to escape from being poor,” </font>Jordan said.</font></p>

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 01:47 PM
I know it sounds far fetched and is still not acceptable, but it IS possible.....

I totally agree. It was wrong that he slept with those kids and is pretty wierd but it IS possible.

Forreal people hear that he slept with little kids, and they automatically assume slept with means had sex with, and in some cases it does mean that, but not in all


kase ur a diehard michael jackson fan...

if he wasn't a pop star u wouldn't be taking this stance... if Joe the guy who bags ur groceries did this, u wouldn't be saying this
LOL, an MJ fan I am, LOL

If he was Joe the janitor or whoever it would be just as wierd and unacceptable, but all Im saying is that theres a chance that he didnt f*ck these kids, just literally sleep with them


okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:50 PM
Also Matt Michael has the Guiness Book of record for most charitable donations in history and also gave 20% of his entire estate to childrens charities. That can't be overlooked.


thats cuz he wanted them alive well and healthy...
<font color="#0000ff">
donating money for these guys really isn't a big thing...
</font>
those who actually donate their time are the ones who shuld be applauded

He has given the most that anyone has ever. He also gave 20% of his entire estate. He has donated his time also to kids, hospitals and places all over the world. Don't downplay this at least. Come on bro...





i hear u and it is commendable.. but was part of his estate given to
children considered the theme park? Just curious really dont know...
because if thats the case then i'd hope u drop that part next time u
have that argument





and while the 20% is alot, the effect that it could of had on his
bottom line could of been minimal on what he seen on after taxes...

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:51 PM
okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

I feel the exact same way. It is weird and wrong to sleep with kids that are not yours. All I am saying is you don't know they were in the underwear and you don't know he did the things he was accused of. That boy came out and said he didn't do it and he lied. What does that say about the others?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 01:51 PM
<font face="Rockwell" size="4"><font color="#0000ff" size="6">MMB - Still waiting</font>

After the death of Michael Jackson, Jordan Chandler tells the whole truth.</font>


<font face="Rockwell" size="4">In 1993, Chandler told a
psychiatrist and police that he (Jordan) and Jackson had engaged in
sexual acts which included oral sex. Jordan gave detailed description
of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported
amount of US$22 million, but the strain led Jackson to start taking
painkillers. Eventually he became addicted to these painkillers.</font></p>


<font color="#0000ff" face="Rockwell" size="4">Now after Michael’s death Chandler
decides to tell the truth. “I never meant to lie and destroy Michael
Jackson but my father made me to tell the lies. Now I can’t tell
Michael how much I’m sorry and if he will forgive me.” </font></p>



<font face="Rockwell" size="4"><font color="#0000ff">“Now for the first time I can’t bare
to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my
father’s lies to escape from being poor,” </font>Jordan said.</font></p>

and thats fine... 1 down 19 to go..

i admitted that prolly half were for money

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:52 PM
Extortion <span class="sense_content">: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power</span>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 01:55 PM
and thats fine... 1 down 19 to go..

i admitted that prolly half were for money

I also found another case in which Jackson took the whole thing out and was found innocent of all charges. People were trying to get money out of him. He knew he didn't do it and didn't want to go to trial so he paid Jordan off. Now he admits he was lying and other kids tried to do the same thing. I am sure there we not 20 of them. Jackson's lawyers told him that he might still be found guilty even though he didn't do anything. He let the police search his ranch and take photos of his naked body and everything. I think you are not giving him the benefit of the doubt in the slightest bit. If you admit that half were for money could you not admit all of them were? The circumstances make it too easy for the kids to say that. He was stupid to put himself in that position in the first place but like Kase said. What if?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:01 PM
okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

I feel the exact same way. It is weird and wrong to sleep with kids that are not yours. All I am saying is you don't know they were in the underwear and you don't know he did the things he was accused of. That boy came out and said he didn't do it and he lied. What does that say about the others?


and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:02 PM
and thats fine... 1 down 19 to go..

i admitted that prolly half were for money

I also found another case in which Jackson took the whole thing out and was found innocent of all charges. People were trying to get money out of him. He knew he didn't do it and didn't want to go to trial so he paid Jordan off. Now he admits he was lying and other kids tried to do the same thing. I am sure there we not 20 of them. Jackson's lawyers told him that he might still be found guilty even though he didn't do anything. He let the police search his ranch and take photos of his naked body and everything. I think you are not giving him the benefit of the doubt in the slightest bit. If you admit that half were for money could you not admit all of them were? The circumstances make it too easy for the kids to say that. He was stupid to put himself in that position in the first place but like Kase said. What if?


i don't give anybody tehe benefit of the doubt that thinks its okay to lay with children

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:04 PM
and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light


I don't think Landon's stance has anything to do with who the person being charged is actually MMB, I wouldn't make any sense to allow MJ the benefit of the doubt but not others....that's assuming Landon makes sense though, but he usually does.

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:06 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:06 PM
okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

I feel the exact same way. It is weird and wrong to sleep with kids that are not yours. All I am saying is you don't know they were in the underwear and you don't know he did the things he was accused of. That boy came out and said he didn't do it and he lied. What does that say about the others?


and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:08 PM
soo say mike did sleep with little boys, is he gay? this is where the line gets fuzzy for me. i dont get it.

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:09 PM
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


They usually get the short end of the stick because they are usually being used as a way to "set an example"

for Example Plax....almost nobody actually gets convicted of thee charges he's facing, they are almost always plead down....but in plax's case, it isn't going to be as easy as it is with the every day joe's to get off.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light


I don't think Landon's stance has anything to do with who the person being charged is actually MMB, I wouldn't make any sense to allow MJ the benefit of the doubt but not others....that's assuming Landon makes sense though, but he usually does.


well see thats where i disagree..

put an average person who isn't a celebrity in status and i think the whole general perception of the situation would change for 90% of those who take this stance for Jackson. I think he gets slack cut because of who he is, whether those arguing for him realize that or not

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
soo say mike did sleep with little boys, is he gay? this is where the line gets fuzzy for me. i dont get it.

how does him being or not being gay have anything to do with the current conversation.....

I'd go with no, sleeping with a little boy doesn't make you gay, (fathers do it with there sons all the time) but sleeping with someone elses little boy makes you very weird, I don't even know if it's legal...if it is it shouldn't be.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:12 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:14 PM
well see thats where i disagree..

put an average person who isn't a celebrity in status and i think the whole general perception of the situation would change for 90% of those who take this stance for Jackson. I think he gets slack cut because of who he is, whether those arguing for him realize that or not


I disagree, only a stupid person would let the celebrity status of a defendant cloud their judgement, I don't think Landon is stupid, I think Landon is walking into this argument with his eye's open and I don't think he's giving any benefit of the doubt to Jackson that Joe the Plumber wouldn't also get.

Landon's stance seems to be "Prove he had sex with these kids...if you can't, then don't say he did because you don't know"

It's naive to think he didn't I give you that, but I think he's more standing up for the Innocent until Proven Guilty theory more then anything....which is the same for everyone celebrity or not.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:14 PM
i don't give anybody tehe benefit of the doubt that thinks its okay to lay with children

I just want to make it clear that I think it is wrong also, but it is not illegal...

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:14 PM
okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

I feel the exact same way. It is weird and wrong to sleep with kids that are not yours. All I am saying is you don't know they were in the underwear and you don't know he did the things he was accused of. That boy came out and said he didn't do it and he lied. What does that say about the others?


and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


well thats my whole point. I think everybody is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:15 PM
well see thats where i disagree..

put an average person who isn't a celebrity in status and i think the whole general perception of the situation would change for 90% of those who take this stance for Jackson. I think he gets slack cut because of who he is, whether those arguing for him realize that or not


I disagree, only a stupid person would let the celebrity status of a defendant cloud their judgement, I don't think Landon is stupid, I think Landon is walking into this argument with his eye's open and I don't think he's giving any benefit of the doubt to Jackson that Joe the Plumber wouldn't also get.

Landon's stance seems to be "Prove he had sex with these kids...if you can't, then don't say he did because you don't know"

It's naive to think he didn't I give you that, but I think he's more standing up for the Innocent until Proven Guilty theory more then anything....which is the same for everyone celebrity or not.
Good post Daven

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:16 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:16 PM
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


They usually get the short end of the stick because they are usually being used as a way to "set an example"

for Example Plax....almost nobody actually gets convicted of thee charges he's facing, they are almost always plead down....but in plax's case, it isn't going to be as easy as it is with the every day joe's to get off.


i def don't agree with that. Infact most cases of celebrity they get breaks cuz of who they are and the money they can spend to make things go away...

OJ is prime example... if that was an average joe hes doing life

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:16 PM
soo say mike did sleep with little boys, is he gay? this is where the line gets fuzzy for me. i dont get it.

how does him being or not being gay have anything to do with the current conversation.....

I'd go with no, sleeping with a little boy doesn't make you gay, (fathers do it with there sons all the time) but sleeping with someone elses little boy makes you very weird, I don't even know if it's legal...if it is it shouldn't be.
</P>


i mean sexual acts with little boys, does that make him gay or is he bi cause he was with presley for a while. just saying i dont understand it. say you were gay and wanted a sex change dave. why wouldyou do that ifyoure gay? another gay guy isnt going to want your make believe vag cause thats not his thing. i just dont get it.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:17 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?


well mostly everybody taht defends him i shoudl rephrase...

i think if this is John Smith from Parsippany NJ, nobody is really going to go to his defense like they are for JAckson... thats my only point

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:19 PM
okay and that may be true... i agree there is a chance, albeit VERY SMALL

but do u think u would be taking this same stance for Joe Plumber (haha had to) as u are for Jackson?
Yo im not sayin its OK even if he was just innocently sleeping with them, thats still wrong no matter if it was Joe the Pumber, Joes Apartment or Joe Mama.... Its wrong, LOL

I feel the exact same way. It is weird and wrong to sleep with kids that are not yours. All I am saying is you don't know they were in the underwear and you don't know he did the things he was accused of. That boy came out and said he didn't do it and he lied. What does that say about the others?


and my point is that ur willingness to be this open minded just really prolly wouldn't be the same for an average guy -- and because he amde some music in the 80s - regardless of how great u think it is - he shouldnt get cast in a diff light
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


well thats my whole point. I think everybody is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom
Unclogging drains is a Thriller, LOL

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:20 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?


well mostly everybody taht defends him i shoudl rephrase...

i think if this is John Smith from Parsippany NJ, nobody is really going to go to his defense like they are for JAckson... thats my only point


I understand that is your point, and I'm sure you are right for ALOT of people, I just don't think Landon or Kase are one of those types of people.

to me Landon and Kase are standing up not for MJ but for the Priciple...for the theory of Innocent until Proven guilty....so clearly...MJ's fame has nothing to do with their argument....at least that's how it seems to me.

that said, if sleeping with young boys (not related to you) isn't illegal for a 18+ year old man, then it should be period imho.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:20 PM
well see thats where i disagree..

put an average person who isn't a celebrity in status and i think the whole general perception of the situation would change for 90% of those who take this stance for Jackson. I think he gets slack cut because of who he is, whether those arguing for him realize that or not


I disagree, only a stupid person would let the celebrity status of a defendant cloud their judgement, I don't think Landon is stupid, I think Landon is walking into this argument with his eye's open and I don't think he's giving any benefit of the doubt to Jackson that Joe the Plumber wouldn't also get.

Landon's stance seems to be "Prove he had sex with these kids...if you can't, then don't say he did because you don't know"

It's naive to think he didn't I give you that, but I think he's more standing up for the Innocent until Proven Guilty theory more then anything....which is the same for everyone celebrity or not.

Exaclty right Mike. I think it is wrong and he put himself in a situation to be ridiculed and extorted. The only person to our knowledge he ever paid a settlement to just came out and said he lied so his dad could get rich. He has never been proven guilty of doing anything to any kids. I think Michael wanted to be a kid because he never had a childhood and all these accusations and they way the media portrayed him led to his drug use and eventually killed him.

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:21 PM
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


They usually get the short end of the stick because they are usually being used as a way to "set an example"

for Example Plax....almost nobody actually gets convicted of thee charges he's facing, they are almost always plead down....but in plax's case, it isn't going to be as easy as it is with the every day joe's to get off.


i def don't agree with that. Infact most cases of celebrity they get breaks cuz of who they are and the money they can spend to make things go away...

OJ is prime example... if that was an average joe hes doing life


Depends? is it an average joe that can afford OJ's lawyers? if so I think Average Joe is getting off just as clean as OJ did.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:21 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?


well mostly everybody taht defends him i shoudl rephrase...

i think if this is John Smith from Parsippany NJ, nobody is really going to go to his defense like they are for JAckson... thats my only point
If it was John Smith from Paramus then itd be different, not sure about that guy from Parsippany, LOL

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:24 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?


well mostly everybody taht defends him i shoudl rephrase...

i think if this is John Smith from Parsippany NJ, nobody is really going to go to his defense like they are for JAckson... thats my only point


I understand that is your point, and I'm sure you are right for ALOT of people, I just don't think Landon or Kase are one of those types of people.

to me Landon and Kase are standing up not for MJ but for the Priciple...for the theory of Innocent until Proven guilty....so clearly...MJ's fame has nothing to do with their argument....at least that's how it seems to me.

that said, if sleeping with young boys (not related to you) isn't illegal for a 18+ year old man, then it should be period imho.


well i think whether its conscious or subconscious it def does. I think if the world never had MJ as a reference point, Kase especially would be like yo hang that mothr****er ya know...

I just think all of the excuses as why he could of just laid with them are also weak and really just people stretching. When i hear we just dont understand him, yea thats fine, but maybe some just dont want to undersand him.

Personally anybody who can get in trouble for the same thing and where it makes u look horrible and u get away with it, then to go do it again really is more than just not understanding someone. It looks like addiction.

Plenty of people love kids in this world. Hell people DEDICATE THEIR LIVES to kids... its just so far of a stretch for the explanations of why he does it, that I cant buy into it. And i know if this was some schlub in the paper how most would feel on this and it wouldn't be as hard faught or point driven as it is for Jackson

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:25 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:25 PM
I think everybody is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller

He was an icon Matt. He was the most popular musician of all time. He did things that no one has ever done or ever will do. He was world wide. Thriller was just the start of things.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:26 PM
No matter what we wanna think people in the limelight get a diff shake when it comes 2 the justice system


They usually get the short end of the stick because they are usually being used as a way to "set an example"

for Example Plax....almost nobody actually gets convicted of thee charges he's facing, they are almost always plead down....but in plax's case, it isn't going to be as easy as it is with the every day joe's to get off.


i def don't agree with that. Infact most cases of celebrity they get breaks cuz of who they are and the money they can spend to make things go away...

OJ is prime example... if that was an average joe hes doing life


Depends? is it an average joe that can afford OJ's lawyers? if so I think Average Joe is getting off just as clean as OJ did.


average joe doesn't have the money, thats part of the celebrity...

and thats my point..

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:28 PM
I think everybody is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller

He was an icon Matt. He was the most popular musician of all time. He did things that no one has ever done or ever will do. He was world wide. Thriller was just the start of things.


THANK YOU! See that type of response is what really makes me say what im saying. Im gonna go out on a limb and say those that support him have this same outstanding opinion.

I don't care about any of that in this case tho, that my point i don't think alot of people look thru that. When it comes to this sleeping with boys ****, none of that should ever be brought up....

and yes i realize his contributions to music and thats what i was trying to sum up by saying he did thriller

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:29 PM
well thats my whole point. I think <font color="#0000ff">everybody</font> is just willing to dismiss this more because he made Thriller instead of unclogging the drains in ur bathroom


quite a broad brush you are using no?


well mostly everybody taht defends him i shoudl rephrase...

i think if this is John Smith from Parsippany NJ, nobody is really going to go to his defense like they are for JAckson... thats my only point
If it was John Smith from Paramus then itd be different, not sure about that guy from Parsippany, LOL


lol

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:30 PM
average joe doesn't have the money, thats part of the celebrity...

and thats my point..


It wasn't your point 5 minutes ago, FAME...and MONEY are two separate things, they often go together but no always....the CEO of some mid ranged Company has MONEY but not FAME and will get away with it just as easily as OJ...actually easier, because there is would be no media coverage.

FAME...is a bad thing if you get into trouble, everything has to be handled correctly...and tightly you aren't able to pass it off or give a guy a break because everyone will know it happened.

MONEY is clearly something that can sway your ability to get away with crime, you'll get no argument from me there, I know first hand about that.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:33 PM
to sum this all up:

People wouldn't stick up for Michael like they are if he wasn't such a musical god.

And it really sickens me that anybody could truly mourn his death to this extent when we are currently in a war losing people every day fighting for our way of life... but the ****in state of California has to take out a loan to help pay for man power to guard this guys ****in funeral...

This country just sometimes makes me sick to be honest. I guess im just extra touchy cuz my buddy is coming home after 5 years and hes all ****ed up and hes telling me stories and he lost some buddies and I could just care less about this ALLEDGED child molester. Americans just get things so *** backwards sometimes

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:34 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:35 PM
average joe doesn't have the money, thats part of the celebrity...

and thats my point..


It wasn't your point 5 minutes ago, FAME...and MONEY are two separate things, they often go together but no always....the CEO of some mid ranged Company has MONEY but not FAME and will get away with it just as easily as OJ...actually easier, because there is would be no media coverage.

FAME...is a bad thing if you get into trouble, everything has to be handled correctly...and tightly you aren't able to pass it off or give a guy a break because everyone will know it happened.

MONEY is clearly something that can sway your ability to get away with crime, you'll get no argument from me there, I know first hand about that.




i dunno i def disagree with that.. fame usually gives u a public persona of something ur not

it can give u a preconceived notion of how somebody actually is --- and it only takes one

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:36 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:38 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:40 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</P>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:40 PM
Ron Artest will wear uniform No. 37 in honor of the number of weeks that Michael Jackson's album "Thriller" was No. 1 on the charts.

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:42 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
Just look at 'Rooni........ LOL
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:PsyiTEnYfbap7M:http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Rim%2520Shot%2520Johnny%2520Utah.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Rim%2520Shot%2520Johnny%2520Utah.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=htt p://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D385x319662 &amp;usg=__KDyYHni_iZ5IcQMEn4tVu7XnLBI=&amp;h=394&amp;w=525&amp;sz =68&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=PsyiTEnYfbap7M:&amp;tbnh=99&amp;tb nw=132&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Drim%2Bshot%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
People wouldn't stick up for Michael like they are if he wasn't such a musical god.

...I AGREE, but I think you are mistaking Kase and Landon's argument...they are NOT defending MJ, they are defending AMERICA's Legal system, <u>Innocent until Prove Guilty.</u>


And it really sickens me that anybody could truly mourn his death to this extent when we are currently in a war losing people every day fighting for our way of life... but the ****in state of California has to take out a loan to help pay for man power to guard this guys ****in funeral...

This country just sometimes makes me sick to be honest. I guess im just extra touchy cuz my buddy is coming home after 5 years and hes all ****ed up and hes telling me stories and he lost some buddies and I could just care less about this ALLEDGED child molester. Americans just get things so *** backwards sometimes


I get you MMB, and I think Kase and Landon would AGREE with you, but again, remember what your buddy is fighting for (Indirectly) He's fighting for "America" he's fighting in part, for the same system that allows OJ, MJ and the rest to get away with these things they are alleged to have done....

there is a positive and negative to EVERY system, I think the positives of our system far outwieght the negatives and ...I understand...that using this system some guilty people will slip through the cracks....but I'd rather a few guilty people slip through the cracks then many innocent people have their life ruined for something they didn't do.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids

My wife says she is a cover up all the time. God she thinks she is so funny. LMAO

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
yea i know lots of gay men have kids and all, but what about tannies. say a gay guy wants a sex change, why would he do that if he were gay, cause gay guys dont like va ja jas</P>


im just confused is all. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
Just look at 'Rooni........ LOL
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:PsyiTEnYfbap7M:http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Rim%2520Shot%2520Johnny%2520Utah.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/Rim%2520Shot%2520Johnny%2520Utah.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=htt p://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D385x319662 &amp;usg=__KDyYHni_iZ5IcQMEn4tVu7XnLBI=&amp;h=394&amp;w=525&amp;sz =68&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;tbnid=PsyiTEnYfbap7M:&amp;tbnh=99&amp;tb nw=132&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Drim%2Bshot%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)


LMAO

bandwgn86
07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Ron Artest will wear uniform No. 37 in honor of the number of weeks that Michael Jackson's album "Thriller" was No. 1 on the charts.</P>


you probably didn't see this but after a Toronto Argonaut WRscored a TD hetook off his shoulder pads and helmet layed on the ground with arms crossed his chest.. he says it was for the passing of MJ. sad eh?</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids

My wife says she is a cover up all the time. God she thinks she is so funny. LMAO


LOLOLOL

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:46 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</p>Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 02:46 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
yea i know lots of gay men have kids and all, but what about tannies. say a gay guy wants a sex change, why would he do that if he were gay, cause gay guys dont like va ja jas</p>


im just confused is all. lol</p>

lol -- ur taking this a WHOOOLE other direction

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:48 PM
Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids

My wife says she is a cover up all the time. God she thinks she is so funny. LMAO
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:49 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</P>


Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
noooo that guys the man. lol</P>


sean bell sold crack in front of elementry schools. honestly do you think ANY drug dealer should have a street named after them? </P>

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:50 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
yea i know lots of gay men have kids and all, but what about tannies. say a gay guy wants a sex change, why would he do that if he were gay, cause gay guys dont like va ja jas</P>


im just confused is all. lol</P>

lol -- ur taking this a WHOOOLE other direction
lmao its still confusing as ****. im lost

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 02:52 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</p>


Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
noooo that guys the man. lol</p>


sean bell sold crack in front of elementry schools. honestly do you think ANY drug dealer should have a street named after them? </p>any FORMER drug dealer, well if they were a FORMER drug dealer and then became the president, an inventor, civil rights activist, or someone that made a change, then yes.......

And I know you blaze so dont act all high and mighty like you've never bought/sold/done drugs (weed included buddy) infront of/behind/or in a school......

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 02:55 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
yea i know lots of gay men have kids and all, but what about tannies. say a gay guy wants a sex change, why would he do that if he were gay, cause gay guys dont like va ja jas</p>


im just confused is all. lol</p>

lol -- ur taking this a WHOOOLE other direction
lmao its still confusing as ****. im lost

I'm lost on how you even got to were you are, what you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the current conversation...no offense [:P] I'm kinda curious what even prompted you to go on this crazy tangent in the first place lol.

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 02:56 PM
And I know you blaze so dont act all high and mighty like you've never bought/sold/done drugs (weed included buddy) infront of/behind/or in a school......

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0HOwZUWpXqg/RzsL-f3e8OI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/ozEMK3KeOiA/s320/Misc-OhSnap_Bear.jpg

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 02:59 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</P>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</P>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</P>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</P>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</P>


</P>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </P>


</P>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</P>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</P>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</P>


Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
noooo that guys the man. lol</P>


sean bell sold crack in front of elementry schools. honestly do you think ANY drug dealer should have a street named after them? </P>


any FORMER drug dealer, well if they were a FORMER drug dealer and then became the president, an inventor, civil rights activist, or someone that made a change, then yes.......

And I know you blaze so dont act all high and mighty like you've never bought/sold/done drugs (weed included buddy) infront of/behind/or in a school......
</P>


im not acting all high and mighty kase. if anything that should make my argument more rich in substance cause i am a user of the pot.lmao but whenever little kids are around ill put the blunt out and my friends get pissed, too ****ing bad, wait 2 mins for the kids to pass. i have respect. thats just me though. hed only be "former" because hes deceased. </P>

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 03:00 PM
the whole mj thing leaves me confused. he married presely, right? ok. now if he did little boys, doesnt that make him gay?

it makes him more than gay

but yes, it does. Plenty of gay men get married to women and have kids
yea i know lots of gay men have kids and all, but what about tannies. say a gay guy wants a sex change, why would he do that if he were gay, cause gay guys dont like va ja jas</P>


im just confused is all. lol</P>




lol -- ur taking this a WHOOOLE other direction
lmao its still confusing as ****. im lost

I'm lost on how you even got to were you are, what you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the current conversation...no offense [:P] I'm kinda curious what even prompted you to go on this crazy tangent in the first place lol.
</P>


lol my mind wonders. all good questions though. </P>

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:01 PM
dezz has been talkin with LT too long and picked up his tranny fetish lol

dezzzR
07-08-2009, 03:02 PM
dezz has been talkin with LT too long and picked up his tranny fetish lol
what can i say meagan foxs penis errrr thumb excites me [:P]

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</p>


Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
noooo that guys the man. lol</p>


sean bell sold crack in front of elementry schools. honestly do you think ANY drug dealer should have a street named after them? </p>


any FORMER drug dealer, well if they were a FORMER drug dealer and then became the president, an inventor, civil rights activist, or someone that made a change, then yes.......

And I know you blaze so dont act all high and mighty like you've never bought/sold/done drugs (weed included buddy) infront of/behind/or in a school......
</p>


im not acting all high and mighty kase. if anything that should make my argument more rich in substance cause i am a user of the pot.lmao but whenever little kids are around ill put the blunt out and my friends get pissed, too ****ing bad, wait 2 mins for the kids to pass. i have respect. thats just me though. hed only be "former" because hes deceased. </p>He was a former drug dealer cause he didnt sell drugs anymore......

Whenever lil kids are around we'll keep the L low as well but that has nothing 2 do with anything, I was saying BFD if he sold near the schoolyard, in my day ive bouthg/sold/used there too, NOT TO KIDS, but school yards are where people chill and ball and do whatever, he sold rocks 2 some crackhead not a elementary school kid who wanted 2 get high..... Little kids dont smoke crack these days, LOL

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
dezz has been talkin with LT too long and picked up his tranny fetish lol
...Speaking of where is Gilligan???

Kase-1
07-08-2009, 03:10 PM
Aite people time for me 2 be out, gonna hit up the beach where my boy is a lifeguard for a minute then gettin that Puerto Rican food with Pops, gotta LOVE the Pernil arroz y gandules y maduros (Roast pork, rice &amp; pigeon peas, and sweet plantains for all my people that no se habla)

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:13 PM
What is your answer to the shoes. It was by far the most incriminating evidence in the civil trial.</p>



I don't know what you are talking about....
</p>


The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were that of a particular set of Bruno Magli shoes. OJ's answer was that he would never wear "those ugly *** shoes". A photo was found of him at a Buffalo Bills reunion of him wearing those exact shoes. The defense brought in an expert claiming that the photo was doctored. The prosecution brought experts to claim the opposite.</p>


In the civil trial they found dozens of photos of the same reunion showing the same shoes. The defense didn't even bother to call any experts with the same claims as the murder trial. All because they knew that no one would believe that dozens of photos could be doctored.</p>


The jurors all said that it was the absolute proof that caused them to find him "liable for their deaths".</p>


</p>


plus it was mid 90's. what ghetto *** photo shop coulddoctored a photo. </p>


</p>


Plus in the criminal trial, the prosecution produced the receipt for the shoes that Nicole had in her files.</p>


The jury was never going to find him guilty, no matter what. You can't sequester people for all those months and then ask them to deliberate properly. It was probably the worst run trial in American history.</p>


BS Rodney King and Sean Bell were the worst trials run in American history....... Hell one of the cases there was footage of a group of pigs beating the crap out of an unarmed man with nightsticks and they all walked

OJ was a BS trial, but Rodney King was a mockery of the American Justice System
dont get me started with the sean bell. dude was a known drugdealer with a long rapsheet including selling crack in front of a elementry school. it was a terrible thing but sean tried running a cop over. theres dents and scratched paint on both carsto prove it. thats assualt on a officer.now rev sharp wants a street in queensnamed after him, pleeease. love how the media spun it as a race issue and theres only one white looking cop and hes not even white.
LOL, dont get ME started with Sean Bell....

OK no matter what a persons past is it doesnt allow them to be killed in cold blood. If you know the area that it went down in, its a pretty rough one so imagine you're out at a strip club and you leave at 4am or whenever it was and all of a sudden a bunch of guys hop out of their unmarked van and pull out guns, you're not thinking cops you're thinking carjacking.....And dont even mention the 'altercation' that went on with Guzman and the undercover cop where the cop said that Guzman was gonna get his gun which they never found after an EXTENSIVE search

Sean Bell was killed in a poor practice by the cops, kind of like Diallo....This isnt just some phenomenon that people in the hood make up out of nowhere, theres been unfair police practices for YEARS
it was NOT cold blood.it was self defense. he tried running over an officer with his car. whats the cop going to do, stand their andyell stop it, dont do that? the cops were working undercover in the stripjointfor a reason. the whole thing was a mess from the start, i agree, but these guys werent saints just because one of em had 2 daughters and a fiance.

It def was cold blood. It was self defense that they tried 2 drive away, the cops should have correctly identified themselves rather than keeping their badges hidden and looking like a group of thugs looking 2 carjack these guys.


The cops emptied WAY too many bullets too cause they lined up directly across from eachother and thought that shots were coming from inside of the car when it was actually their fellow cops bullets coming through the window

In the hood there are businesses have some dirt going on, that doesnt mean they arent half legit.....Lemme put it like this if a bodega sells coke but also sells normal bodega products and they get raided while you're buying a soda but they assume youre their 2 buy drugs youll be a victim of circumstance and poor police practice.....Just cause the strip club had some prostitution goin on isnt an excuse for this to happen, just like the conservative media bashing these guys characters to sway the jury
you answered your ownquestion with why they fired so many bullets. listen we can sit here and play armchair general all day. fact is we werent their. plus you have mixed reports saying they had their shields out. but to put ALL blame on the police is rediculous.Me and u could def go at this all day man.....

putting all the blame on ANYONE is ridiculous but putting none of it on the cops is just as ridiculous
haha yea ill agree to that. everyone ****ed up that night. but again the way the media played it was a joke. and sean bell doesnt deserve to get a street named after him. what are we telling kids if they do that? itsheroic to be a drugdealer and get shot up in a blaze of glory...</p>


Dude, WHAT THE F*CK does him having been a FORMER dealer have ANYTHING 2 do with it.....Theres no reason for character assasination, you're just falling into the conservative Fox news media machine

"Im a drug dealer, man....."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.giant.blackplanet.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/12/17029246-17029250-large1.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://giant.blackplanet.com/point-of-view/best-actors-of-08/&amp;usg=__gBDLdoB-XguPmruKV2ZYaz3t32M=&amp;h=300&amp;w=220&amp;sz=50&amp;hl=en&amp;start =2&amp;tbnid=BaAS2HF2eJ0fkM:&amp;tbnh=116&amp;tbnw=85&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpineapple%2Bexpress%2Bjames%2Bfranco% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
noooo that guys the man. lol</p>


sean bell sold crack in front of elementry schools. honestly do you think ANY drug dealer should have a street named after them? </p>


any FORMER drug dealer, well if they were a FORMER drug dealer and then became the president, an inventor, civil rights activist, or someone that made a change, then yes.......

And I know you blaze so dont act all high and mighty like you've never bought/sold/done drugs (weed included buddy) infront of/behind/or in a school......
</p>


im not acting all high and mighty kase. if anything that should make my argument more rich in substance cause i am a user of the pot.lmao but whenever little kids are around ill put the blunt out and my friends get pissed, too ****ing bad, wait 2 mins for the kids to pass. i have respect. thats just me though. hed only be "former" because hes deceased. </p>He was a former drug dealer cause he didnt sell drugs anymore......

Whenever lil kids are around we'll keep the L low as well but that has nothing 2 do with anything, I was saying BFD if he sold near the schoolyard, in my day ive bouthg/sold/used there too, NOT TO KIDS, but school yards are where people chill and ball and do whatever, he sold rocks 2 some crackhead not a elementary school kid who wanted 2 get high..... Little kids dont smoke crack these days, LOL


there is no way to say whether he was or wasn't dealing drugs still...

think u guys should just drop that point from the argument lol

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Aite people time for me 2 be out, gonna hit up the beach where my boy is a lifeguard for a minute then gettin that Puerto Rican food with Pops, gotta LOVE the Pernil arroz y gandules y maduros (Roast pork, rice &amp; pigeon peas, and sweet plantains for all my people that no se habla)




later bro, get ur *** to webster hall on fri

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 03:30 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:34 PM
dezz has been talkin with LT too long and picked up his tranny fetish lol
what can i say meagan foxs penis errrr thumb excites me [:P]

Excuse meeee???

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:34 PM
dezz has been talkin with LT too long and picked up his tranny fetish lol
...Speaking of where is Gilligan???


Bob Denver died a while ago.....

DavenIII
07-08-2009, 03:35 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


that equals 36.46....you forgot a decimal position.

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:40 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


no comment

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:40 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


that equals 36.46....you forgot a decimal position.


the typical engineer response lol

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:41 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


Why didn't he go with 91?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:44 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


Why didn't he go with 91?


cuz hes a loser

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:44 PM
http://lakersstore.com/product_thumb.php?img=images/lal_09_artestgldswngb.gif&amp;w=284&amp;h=380

<font color="#800080">16.1 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 2.06 steals during his 10 NBA seasons</font>


Why didn't he go with 91?


cuz hes a loser

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 03:44 PM
no comment

LOL, it is ok Matt. You can still like him...

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:46 PM
no comment

LOL, it is ok Matt. You can still like him...


i thoroughly dislike him now and hope he tears his ACL

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 03:46 PM
Why didn't he go with 91?

After signing a three-year, $18 million deal, he revealed that he’s
changing his number from 96 to 37, because that’s the number of weeks
that MJ’s “Thriller” topped the charts at No. 1.

Matt is not happy about the decision. lol

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 03:47 PM
no comment

LOL, it is ok Matt. You can still like him...


i thoroughly dislike him now and hope he tears his ACL

Well you stated in the past that since we have Artest we are the favorites so I hope that does not happen.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Why didn't he go with 91?

After signing a three-year, $18 million deal, he revealed that he’s
changing his number from 96 to 37, because that’s the number of weeks
that MJ’s “Thriller” topped the charts at No. 1.

Matt is not happy about the decision. lol


Wow

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:51 PM
no comment

LOL, it is ok Matt. You can still like him...


i thoroughly dislike him now and hope he tears his ACL

Well you stated in the past that since we have Artest we are the favorites so I hope that does not happen.


Lakers were the favorites even before they signed Artest.

Any news on Odom?

MattMeyerBud
07-08-2009, 03:51 PM
no comment

LOL, it is ok Matt. You can still like him...


i thoroughly dislike him now and hope he tears his ACL

Well you stated in the past that since we have Artest we are the favorites so I hope that does not happen.


that was with the assumption that ariza or odom was staying with the team as well...

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 03:54 PM
<h2>'Birdman' to keep Denver nest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312934)</h2>

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 04:03 PM
Any news on Odom?

The Lakers are still unsure about what free-agent forward Lamar Odom plans to do.


Odom wants to re-sign with Los Angeles, and the NBA champions want
him back as well, but the two sides appear to be far apart on
negotiations.</p>


Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he has been in "constant communication" with agent Jeff Schwartz.</p>


"From our point of view, we're still hopeful we can bring him back
on board," Kupchak said. "We all try to make good basketball decisions.</p>


"Sometimes you just have to say no and move on, and we've done that in the past.</p>


"I'm hopeful that's not the case here."</p>


Odom is believed to be seeking a contract worth roughly $10 million per year. Lakers are offering about $8 million per year.
</p>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 04:05 PM
<h2>2010 cap may limit signings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312837)</h2>
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

bigblue4417
07-08-2009, 04:08 PM
Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


The cap is not a big deal. It is the luxury tax where teams have to pay money because they are over.

The luxury-tax threshold at $69.9 million (down from $71.2 million).

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Checking out... for those I don't talk to later, PEACE

ShockeyShow
07-08-2009, 06:21 PM
WHAT THE EF!?

LT....please tell me you haven't donated to that stupid cause.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-08-2009, 06:55 PM
WHAT THE EF!?

LT....please tell me you haven't donated to that stupid cause.


No I haven't.... I just saw that site and thought it was hilarious

Morehead State
07-09-2009, 09:32 AM
Esta hilo esta muerto.</P>


</P>


<FONT size=6>MUERTO!!!!</FONT></P>

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 09:33 AM
speak English boy

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 09:45 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 09:50 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors


yea im not too sure of Girardis thinking either...

Cervelli will DEF be missed, but I mean what are you gonna do. Molina is gone next year, he'll be up here plenty...

And not only that you gotta figure Matsui and probably Damon are gone as well so there will be plenty of Posada DHing and Cervelli catching situations

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 10:37 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 10:39 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 10:45 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 10:46 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 10:52 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 10:54 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 10:58 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>

As a starter, Hughes is 3-2 with a 5.45 ERA

In the pen, Hughes has 1.15 ERA and hitters are hitting .130 against him (they hit .276 when he was starting)

Joba is 4-2 with a 4.04 ERA as a starter this year. Hitters are hitting .273 against him

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:01 AM
<h1>Top 10: 2009 Dunks of the Season (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM9DmS_j58Y&amp;feature=haxa_popt00us0a)</h1>
#4 should have been #1 imo

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:02 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:13 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 11:17 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

bandwgn86
07-09-2009, 11:17 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...
how bout the BJ's can we talk about them?

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:17 AM
I would take some Coke over some Hughes any day...

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:18 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...
how bout the BJ's can we talk about them?
Oh yeah, anything north of the border is also ok...

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 11:21 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...
thatmeans no more baseketball bs.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:22 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...


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bandwgn86
07-09-2009, 11:24 AM
[+o(]

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:26 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 11:28 AM
you forgothttp://www.jimmyrod.com/Mantle%20gets%20all%20of%20it.jpg

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:30 AM
you forgothttp://www.jimmyrod.com/Mantle%20gets%20all%20of%20it.jpg

I did... and I forgot this guy

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212007/photos/sports101a.jpg

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:30 AM
Is there not a thread for all this Yankees bull****?


Is this not the thread to just bull**** all day??

Correct LT it is. That is why we don't talk about sports in here. There are other threads for that. Giants are ok. Yankees no. Lakers yes. Thank you...


oh blow me. We had to deal with hearing about ur rapist win a championship... now this is the filler until football starts

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 11:31 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 11:31 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:33 AM
oh blow me.


I'm sure Landon won't mind doing that....

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:33 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:34 AM
And how could I forget the luckiest man on the face of the Earth?

http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/thumb/8/8a/Gehrig_Speech1.jpg/250px-Gehrig_Speech1.jpg

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:34 AM
oh blow me.


I won't mind doing that....

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:35 AM
oh blow me. We had to deal with hearing about ur rapist win a championship...

Alleged...If the condom doesn't fit you must acquit.

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:36 AM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>

if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around.

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off


Yeah, I like where our pitching is right now... Sabathia and Burnett are looking good, Andy's good, Joba's had a lot of quality starts and finally the pen is coming around with Ace, Hughes, and Coke. And of course Mo.

We just need a decent fifth starter to take Wang's place while he's on the DL. That Mitre guy in AAA should suffice

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:36 AM
oh blow me.


I won't mind doing that....


Well played

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:37 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:38 AM
oh blow me.


I won't mind doing that....


Well played

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9ULP9aVmDsM/SAZ4SqVgYKI/AAAAAAAAAQI/A2QyvanYxwg/s400/Checkmate.jpg

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:38 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets


Player News (last updated: July 3, 2009)

News: Jayson Stark of ESPN.com is reporting that Sheets (elbow) will not be physically able to pitch in the big leagues this season.
Spin:
Stark noted that Jason Jennings underwent the same flexor tendon
surgery in August of 2007 and wasn't able to return for a year and a
half. Sheets' procedure was performed in February. Three teams have
shown interest in Sheets, and he could possibly sign on later this year
with a club he could help next season.

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:38 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets



<table class="s_playerNewsTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="s_playerNewsLeftBorder">http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td><td class="s_playerNewsText">According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, three teams interested in Ben Sheets have indicated Sheets won't be able to pitch in 2009.</td></tr></tbody></table>

damn...

he woulda been perfect...

I just hope this Pedro **** dont start up again

lets make a run at Glavin

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:39 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets



<table class="s_playerNewsTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="s_playerNewsLeftBorder">http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td><td class="s_playerNewsText">According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, three teams interested in Ben Sheets have indicated Sheets won't be able to pitch in 2009.</td></tr></tbody></table>

damn...

he woulda been perfect...

I just hope this Pedro **** dont start up again

lets make a run at Glavin


Glavine said he won't pitch in 2009, I heard that somewhere

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:40 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets

<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="8"><tbody><tr><td class="wiretap_key_header"><font color="#0000ff">Sheets Can't Help A Team This Year?</font></td></tr><tr><td>4th July, 2009 - 9:19 am</td></tr><tr><td>ESPN - It was initially believed that Ben Sheets could sign on with and help a team at midseason.



However, Sheets had flexor tendon surgery in February, a procedure
that pitcher Jason Jennings needed more than 18 months to recover from
effectively.



Three teams have some level of interest in Sheets, who is still a free-agent, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN</td></tr></tbody></table>

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:40 AM
LOL - the 3 of us were all over that.

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:41 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets



<table class="s_playerNewsTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="s_playerNewsLeftBorder">http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td><td class="s_playerNewsText">According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, three teams interested in Ben Sheets have indicated Sheets won't be able to pitch in 2009.</td></tr></tbody></table>

damn...

he woulda been perfect...

I just hope this Pedro **** dont start up again

lets make a run at Glavin


Glavine said he won't pitch in 2009, I heard that somewhere


thats just a line cuz he got embarressed by the Braves. Let the yanks come knock on his door and that will put him from 6 to midnight

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:43 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets



<table class="s_playerNewsTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="s_playerNewsLeftBorder">http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td><td class="s_playerNewsText">According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, three teams interested in Ben Sheets have indicated Sheets won't be able to pitch in 2009.</td></tr></tbody></table>

damn...

he woulda been perfect...

I just hope this Pedro **** dont start up again

lets make a run at Glavin


Glavine said he won't pitch in 2009, I heard that somewhere


thats just a line cuz he got embarressed by the Braves. Let the yanks come knock on his door and that will put him from 6 to midnight


He'd be a good fit, that's for sure...

Then when Wang gets back have a 6 man rotation booyaaaa

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:45 AM
i'd like to look at like a Paul Byrd or El Duque too

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:46 AM
i wanna know whats up with Ben Sheets



<table class="s_playerNewsTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td> <td class="s_playerNewsLeftBorder">http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif</td><td class="s_playerNewsText">According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, three teams interested in Ben Sheets have indicated Sheets won't be able to pitch in 2009.</td></tr></tbody></table>

damn...

he woulda been perfect...

I just hope this Pedro **** dont start up again

lets make a run at Glavin


Glavine said he won't pitch in 2009, I heard that somewhere


thats just a line cuz he got embarressed by the Braves. Let the yanks come knock on his door and that will put him from 6 to midnight


He'd be a good fit, that's for sure...

Then when Wang gets back have a 6 man rotation booyaaaa

well thats the thing, i dont think Wang comes back this year..

im not very optimistic about his situation

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 11:48 AM
<font color="#ff0000">Trade half the farm system for Halladay
</font>

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 11:49 AM
El Duque

You like that don't you MMB?

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/elduque.jpg

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 11:58 AM
<font color="#ff0000">Trade half the farm system for Halladay
</font>

lol im sure were inquiring...

but i think he said he doesnt want to go to the yanks...

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:02 PM
<font color="#ff0000">Trade half the farm system for Halladay
</font>

lol im sure were inquiring...

but i think he said he doesnt want to go to the yanks...


Yeah he did say that and he's gonna haffta approve a trade because he has that no trade clause.

I don't think Cash would part ways with the prospects to get him either... it would be nuts and we got some good young guys in the minors.

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 12:04 PM
El Duque

You like that don't you MMB?

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/elduque.jpg


i'll leave an el duque on ur chest like my name was osi

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 12:05 PM
<font color="#ff0000">Trade half the farm system for Halladay
</font>

lol im sure were inquiring...

but i think he said he doesnt want to go to the yanks...


Yeah he did say that and he's gonna haffta approve a trade because he has that no trade clause.

I don't think Cash would part ways with the prospects to get him either... it would be nuts and we got some good young guys in the minors.


ehhh, i dunno how nuts it would be.. hes 31 and prolly the best pitcher in the game...

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 12:06 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</P>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </P>

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:07 PM
<font color="#ff0000">Trade half the farm system for Halladay
</font>

lol im sure were inquiring...

but i think he said he doesnt want to go to the yanks...


Yeah he did say that and he's gonna haffta approve a trade because he has that no trade clause.

I don't think Cash would part ways with the prospects to get him either... it would be nuts and we got some good young guys in the minors.


ehhh, i dunno how nuts it would be.. hes 31 and prolly the best pitcher in the game...


If he gets traded, I think Philly gets him.

Toronto wouldn't trade him to an AL East rival, at least I don't think so and Philly needs starting pitching, so...

Better them than the Sox or someone

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:08 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</p>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </p>

But now he's finding a nice home in the pen

He likes to chill with his peeps in there lol

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 12:12 PM
raghhh i wanna rip this ****in reps throat out. pompus **** thinks he soo smart.</P>


</P>

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 12:13 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</P>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </P>

But now he's finding a nice home in the pen

He likes to chill with his peeps in there lol
which im cool with. id prefer joba but like iv said at least girardi is addressing the situation

Kase-1
07-09-2009, 12:14 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:16 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL


Yeah, today is Yankee baseball talk day

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 12:17 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL
</P>


its a good topic fordebate. lol</P>

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 12:17 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</p>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </p>

uhm... nooooo

Hughes first 7 appearances of the season was as a starter. He was then moved to the bullpen where he hasn't left yet and a role in which he never really played. He may of came in from the pen earlier in his career to get him adjusted to the big leagues or coming back from injury, but thats it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=28638


its right here, its not even debatable lol

Kase-1
07-09-2009, 12:20 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL
</p>


its a good topic fordebate. lol</p>That is was.......Good batin yesterday, LOL

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 12:21 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL
</p>


its a good topic fordebate. lol</p>That is was.......Good batin yesterday, LOL


master?

Kase-1
07-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL


Yeah, today is Yankee baseball talk day
Aceves over Baby Hughey in the rotation......WTF!?!?!?!?!?!

Did we just subconsciously decide that Hughey is gonna be our next closer or am I jumping 2 conclusions (Its a map with different 'conclusions' that you 'jump to, LOL)http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:hda1mMNyJEPWfM:http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/office_space.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/office_space.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://literalbarrage.org/blog/archives/2007/04/24/descartes-de-horses-and-jumping-the-gun/&amp;usg=__vknoSVbJiY2TYuf06e1WHRLmhn4=&amp;h=250&amp;w=351&amp;sz =26&amp;hl=en&amp;start=4&amp;tbnid=hda1mMNyJEPWfM:&amp;tbnh=85&amp;tb nw=120&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Djump%2Bto%2Bconclusions%2Bmat%26gbv%3 D2%26hl%3Den)

Kase-1
07-09-2009, 12:26 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL
</p>


its a good topic fordebate. lol</p>That is was.......Good batin yesterday, LOL


master?
LOL!!!!!!!

The Master of Batin???

DavenIII
07-09-2009, 12:27 PM
Morning

bigblue4417
07-09-2009, 12:32 PM
Happy Birthday to LT's favorite woman on the planet...

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wenn15717311.jpg

Kase-1
07-09-2009, 12:33 PM
Happy Birthday to LT's favorite woman on the planet...

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wenn15717311.jpg
LOL, that looks like a friggin Alien!!!!

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 12:39 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</P>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</P>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</P>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </P>

uhm... nooooo

Hughes first 7 appearances of the season was as a starter. He was then moved to the bullpen where he hasn't left yet and a role in which he never really played. He may of came in from the pen earlier in his career to get him adjusted to the big leagues or coming back from injury, but thats it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=28638


its right here, its not even debatable lol
point is jobas better in the pen

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 12:42 PM
What's the point of starting Aceves today and putting him on a freaking 65 pitch limit? Hughesy and Coke better be ready to pitch a lot of innings.

Why wouldn't they just call up a starter from AAA to take Wang's spot in the rotation until he gets off the DL?

I don't like that move at all and I don't like Cervelli going back down to the minors
what up with wang i havnt herd anything on him? girardi pisses me off. he leans on this pitch count crap to much. hmmm if joba was in the pen.............................................

Wang got put on the DL after his last start for an indefinite amount of time... he won't start throwing again until after the break.

I understand putting a pitch count on Aceves... he is a valuable reliever, I just don't understand the move of robbing the pen to have him pitch 4 innings and rely on Hughes and Coke to get through the rest

That just makes it more important for Joba to go deep into the game tomorrow night
agreedbut if joba was in the pen baby hughey could go tonight.

that makes absolutely no sense... if Joba was in the pen that would be one less starter we have...

its like the Sopranos... GET OVER IT
</p>


???? hughes is more than capablestarting over joba.</p>




if that was true then how come his numbers were worse as a starter? We are missing one man in the rotation is my point. We currently onl have 4 starters - Joba - CC - AJ - Andy, putting joba in the pen and Hughes as a starter would still only leave us with 4 starters and we'd still need one more...

Joba is doing a great job this year and we are 11-5 when he starts... horrid outing last time out but whatever plenty of quality starts before that
dude theyre both 23, their stats mean **** right now.and hughes is always filling in for someone. give the guy some credit.

He gets tons of credit from me. He is DOMINANT in the pen, but hes had half the starts Joba has had and has way worse numbers to this point.

You say they are 23 and stats mean ****, but yet u kill Joba for his numbers...

You say im not giving Hughes credit, but it would make no sense if he was starting and Joba was in the pen, cuz we'd be in the same situation.

And to say that Hughes is more qualified to be a starter when thats an opinion and the facts would state otherwise to this point
the numbersare not "way worse" matt. phils getting thrown around all over the place and hasnt had a chance to settle down. one day hes in the pen the next hes starting. lets take this to the joba debate!! ***** lol

he had 7 starts in a row... i don't get how he was getting thrown around?

and now we're keeping him in the bullpen. IF anything hes the complete opposite of being thrown around. If he was moved back to a starter now he would officially be consider "thrown around", but hes not and they are keeping him. And infact this is the first time hes been in the pen, Yanks have always used him as a starter

1.5 more in era in half the starts? Thats alot worse

Keep it in here, i want to piss Lando off
</p>


lol hmmalight. your wrong man. how many times has hughes had to come in for wang, even when wang did ok he still came out. hes moved around ALOT this season. </p>

uhm... nooooo

Hughes first 7 appearances of the season was as a starter. He was then moved to the bullpen where he hasn't left yet and a role in which he never really played. He may of came in from the pen earlier in his career to get him adjusted to the big leagues or coming back from injury, but thats it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=28638


its right here, its not even debatable lol
point is jobas better in the pen

maybe true, but hes also better as a starter and Hughes is sick in the pen as well

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Whats good people

Seems like 2day is a lil more laid back than yesterdays debates....... Damn me and Dezzy were mixin 2gether like oil and water, LOL


Yeah, today is Yankee baseball talk day
Aceves over Baby Hughey in the rotation......WTF!?!?!?!?!?!

Did we just subconsciously decide that Hughey is gonna be our next closer or am I jumping 2 conclusions (Its a map with different 'conclusions' that you 'jump to, LOL)http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:hda1mMNyJEPWfM:http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/office_space.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/office_space.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://literalbarrage.org/blog/archives/2007/04/24/descartes-de-horses-and-jumping-the-gun/&amp;usg=__vknoSVbJiY2TYuf06e1WHRLmhn4=&amp;h=250&amp;w=351&amp;sz =26&amp;hl=en&amp;start=4&amp;tbnid=hda1mMNyJEPWfM:&amp;tbnh=85&amp;tb nw=120&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Djump%2Bto%2Bconclusions%2Bmat%26gbv%3 D2%26hl%3Den)

Ace is just a stop gap. He's not the full time 5th starter now

Gonna be interesting to see how he does... I'll be watching

LT= Lawrence Taylor
07-09-2009, 12:57 PM
Happy Birthday to LT's favorite woman on the planet...

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wenn15717311.jpg

A very UNHAPPY birthday to that *****

dezzzR
07-09-2009, 01:09 PM
she looks like manson with blond hair.

gshepherdnyg
07-09-2009, 01:09 PM
MMB check your PM dawg

ibleedblue85
07-09-2009, 01:12 PM
hello gentleman! godddddd i hate how busy work has been. my life isnt complete without some 10/11. how has everyone been. ive missed you.

gshepherdnyg
07-09-2009, 01:13 PM
Kase check your PM

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 01:15 PM
MMB check your PM dawg

done sir

MattMeyerBud
07-09-2009, 01:15 PM
hello gentleman! godddddd i hate how busy work has been. my life isnt complete without some 10/11. how has everyone been. ive missed you.

we were fine... til u showed up

gshepherdnyg
07-09-2009, 01:16 PM
hello gentleman! godddddd i hate how busy work has been. my life isnt complete without some 10/11. how has everyone been. ive missed you.Well good afternoon, how is your day going ?

shocknaweny
07-09-2009, 01:17 PM
What's up everybody ??

Looks like I got quite the little Micheal Jackson debate going yesterday...what are we discussing today ???

shocknaweny
07-09-2009, 01:18 PM
hello gentleman! godddddd i hate how busy work* has been. my life isnt complete without some 10/11.* how has everyone been. ive missed you.


not bad....how's work going ??