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FBomb
12-25-2012, 04:05 PM
I'm not going to be nasty and hateful to the pieces that must be replaced in the offseason like a lot of you. These pieces have contributed to getting us 2 SB titles in 5 years.........but it is time.

First of all.....I'm tired of putting a team on the field that sometimes look as though they don't have a clue how to play together and other times look like world beaters. It's too much stress. I'm ready to rebuild and I think it begins with BOTH coordinators. KG's gameplan has been figured out and he lacks the imagination it takes to keep defenses honest. They know what's coming.....MY 7 YEAR OLD KNOWS WHAT'S COMING!! I have always defended KG and put it to the players for not executing the plays callled.....but if I can call every play before the ball is snapped....I'm pretty sure professionals can too.

As far as PF goes.....I absolutely HATE our defense. HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! What the hell is he watching out there??

I'm ready for Tuck, Osi and Webster to go. Not because they weren't great at one time, because they were.....but they aren't anymore.

Time to focus on some LB's for a change. I love Chase, he's all heart.....but is far too slow.

The o-line has to be retooled and Bradshaw has to have his role on the offense deminished. Time for the youngster to get his carries.

I would accept a few years of rebuilding as long as there is consistant progress and not this up and down and up and down crap we have to deal with.

I'm even willing to sacrfice a 2 time SB winning HC if it means this team doesn't look like it's given up at some point every season.

Rant over.

Merry Christmas

CowboysSuck
12-25-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm not so sure its the players as much as it is the coaches.

I'm not so sure we can even point fingers at anyone.


I think this was just a result of a complete team meltdown. There was no heart, no fire, no urgency.

A few major changes should shake things up. It doesnt matter if we cut Coughlin and keep KG. Cut Tuck but keep Osi. Just something major to shake things up and get the competitive juices flowing is what we need.

I trust Reese to see whats going on here and be able to execute a nice change-of-pace this offseason. We need it.

Hooligans
12-25-2012, 04:13 PM
I'm not going to be nasty and hateful to the pieces that must be replaced in the offseason like a lot of you. These pieces have contributed to getting us 2 SB titles in 5 years.........but it is time.

First of all.....I'm tired of putting a team on the field that sometimes look as though they don't have a clue how to play together and other times look like world beaters. It's too much stress. I'm ready to rebuild and I think it begins with BOTH coordinators. KG's gameplan has been figured out and he lacks the imagination it takes to keep defenses honest. They know what's coming.....MY 7 YEAR OLD KNOWS WHAT'S COMING!! I have always defended KG and put it to the players for not executing the plays callled.....but if I can call every play before the ball is snapped....I'm pretty sure professionals can too.

As far as PF goes.....I absolutely HATE our defense. HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! What the hell is he watching out there??

I'm ready for Tuck, Osi and Webster to go. Not because they weren't great at one time, because they were.....but they aren't anymore.

Time to focus on some LB's for a change. I love Chase, he's all heart.....but is far too slow.

The o-line has to be retooled and Bradshaw has to have his role on the offense deminished. Time for the youngster to get his carries.

I would accept a few years of rebuilding as long as there is consistant progress and not this up and down and up and down crap we have to deal with.

I'm even willing to sacrfice a 2 time SB winning HC if it means this team doesn't look like it's given up at some point every season.

Rant over.

Merry Christmas

In the NFL it is inevitable, and the Giants have been a bit lazy the last few years. Now they have more than a few positions to replace and upgrade. If they are lucky and everything falls into place, they could be a playoff team in 2014.

Rudyy
12-25-2012, 04:13 PM
Both the coaches and players need to reevaluate their game/gameplan. Obviously it's not been done for most of this season.

CowboysSuck
12-25-2012, 04:15 PM
Both the coaches and players need to reevaluate their game/gameplan. Obviously it's not been done for most of this season.

Lackluster and complacency hit this team like the plague around week 8 every year. Its time for some change. Any change....just something to remind everyone football is exciting and fun.

sharick88
12-25-2012, 04:16 PM
As far as the coaches are concerned, I'm just not sure that TC will pull the trigger and jettison both of these coordinators. The absolute only way you will see that happening is if TC either resigns, retires, or is fired. I want both coordinators gone as well, but who knows if Coughlin is willing to pull that trigger

penguinfarmer
12-25-2012, 04:20 PM
I never voiced my feelings for Fewell, but I was secretly hoping for Zimmer's contract to expire from Cincy.

Chase may be the second fastest LBer after JWill. His issue is that he's very linear [and had some tackling games]. Why do I bother bringing up that tidbit? Because Boley has been the one who has looked slow to me as of late.

I still can't crucify Coughlin though. If a team is suffering from lethargy and lack of discipline, Coughlin would be the type of guy I would call to fix that. He's adapted in his career, but there's only so much a coach can adapt to when the team is as mercurial as there is in the league.

CowboysSuck
12-25-2012, 04:22 PM
I never voiced my feelings for Fewell, but I was secretly hoping for Zimmer's contract to expire from Cincy.

Chase may be the second fastest LBer after JWill. His issue is that he's very linear [and had some tackling games]. Why do I bother bringing up that tidbit? Because Boley has been the one who has looked slow to me as of late.

I still can't crucify Coughlin though. If a team is suffering from lethargy and lack of discipline, Coughlin would be the type of guy I would call to fix that. He's adapted in his career, but there's only so much a coach can adapt to when the team is as mercurial as there is in the league.

I, too, kinda feel that Coughlin is not the main issue. Coordinators? And the players are just playing and coaching like zombies. It honestly looks like we just dont "want it". Which is too bad for us fans who pay to see this game. It really is too bad..

TheShouldersOf
12-25-2012, 04:26 PM
an Offensive coordinator is a must, one who has the talent and ability to utilize the talents of each individuals versus forcing the personal into their concept and not utilizing the talent that sits on the bench because they 'Don't Get It'

which would also mean a New Head Coach,

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 05:10 PM
Why would any of the coaches need to be fired?

byron
12-25-2012, 06:55 PM
Yeah !!! me to

ELI_Iz_God
12-25-2012, 06:59 PM
Why would any of the coaches need to be fired?

*facepalm*

moosedrool
12-25-2012, 07:01 PM
Why would any of the coaches need to be fired?

It's so laughable that people think TC needs to be fired (like that would ever happen), or we need a new DC and OC. Plain and simple, it's age, injuries, salary cap problems, and lack of talent in our backups.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Reese for these huge salary cap numbers for players over age 30 (Boley 30, Osi 31, Webster 30, Baas 31, Diehl 32, Canty 30, Tuck 29).

Rudyy
12-25-2012, 07:21 PM
Obviously the second half slumps aren't due to aging players in his 9 year tenure.
It's something that he does that's causing this, and he needs to figure out what it is.

jomo
12-25-2012, 07:50 PM
I'm not going to be nasty and hateful to the pieces that must be replaced in the offseason like a lot of you. These pieces have contributed to getting us 2 SB titles in 5 years.........but it is time.

First of all.....I'm tired of putting a team on the field that sometimes look as though they don't have a clue how to play together and other times look like world beaters. It's too much stress. I'm ready to rebuild and I think it begins with BOTH coordinators. KG's gameplan has been figured out and he lacks the imagination it takes to keep defenses honest. They know what's coming.....MY 7 YEAR OLD KNOWS WHAT'S COMING!! I have always defended KG and put it to the players for not executing the plays callled.....but if I can call every play before the ball is snapped....I'm pretty sure professionals can too.

As far as PF goes.....I absolutely HATE our defense. HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! What the hell is he watching out there??

I'm ready for Tuck, Osi and Webster to go. Not because they weren't great at one time, because they were.....but they aren't anymore.

Time to focus on some LB's for a change. I love Chase, he's all heart.....but is far too slow.

The o-line has to be retooled and Bradshaw has to have his role on the offense deminished. Time for the youngster to get his carries.

I would accept a few years of rebuilding as long as there is consistant progress and not this up and down and up and down crap we have to deal with.

I'm even willing to sacrfice a 2 time SB winning HC if it means this team doesn't look like it's given up at some point every season.

Rant over.

Merry ChristmasAllow me to agree with everything. Merry Christmas!

rEaS
12-25-2012, 07:59 PM
i would fire both coordinators and hire two new ones, while keeping in mind that one of those two would be the HC in a few years after TC rubs off on him and decides to retire..

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 08:04 PM
Does TC or any coach want o lose? Have tey shown they can win? Players regressing and injuries happen. The OL needs a major overhaul for sure. The last time we saw this defense they where light out. Who knew two premier DE's would hit the wall in just 6 months and that their #1 CB would be so bad this year? The last wo games where embarrassing but th truth is the defense was not allowing a lot of points up until then.

penguinfarmer
12-25-2012, 08:10 PM
It's so laughable that people think TC needs to be fired (like that would ever happen), or we need a new DC and OC. Plain and simple, it's age, injuries, salary cap problems, and lack of talent in our backups.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Reese for these huge salary cap numbers for players over age 30 (Boley 30, Osi 31, Webster 30, Baas 31, Diehl 32, Canty 30, Tuck 29).

With exception of Webster's restructure, those players can be shed with minimal cap hits. Webster's not even expensive when looking at the current market for CBs. Not to mention, the NFL had to deal with a stunted cap after the lockout. It costs money to retain talent.

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 08:11 PM
Except Belichick, no coach's team doesn't **** the bed at some point. Two straight bad weeks at pivotal points in the season is bad; amplify that when it consistently happens every year, but that still doesn't mean clean house. We've been in situations like this before under this regime.

After 2006- backed into playoffs, talent on team looked bad, coaches "sucked", etc.

After 2010- two straight years of playoff-less football, can't win without Spags, defense not motivated, Eli is regressing, undiciplined football, etc.

Now do changes have to be made? Of course. They were made after '06, and after '10, and they will be made this year. But I ask you this, who would have a better grasp on how to fix the situation at hand:

1.) A new regime, no loyalties to anyone, drastic changes, etc.

2.) The one in place that has proven a capability to turn a mess around, has had an extensive look at the roster, and have the best grasp on what we need to fix.


After a year like this, I can understand why people want option 1 (I wouldn't mind it for, just for the record), but I think what's gonna happen is option 2. The problems will be fixed....


...but we will start start 6-2 and have a November slump every year.

Rudyy
12-25-2012, 08:13 PM
Except Belichick, no coach's team doesn't **** the bed at some point. Two straight bad weeks at pivotal points in the season is bad; amplify that when it consistently happens every year, but that still doesn't mean clean house. We've been in situations like this before under this regime.

After 2006- backed into playoffs, talent on team looked bad, coaches "sucked", etc.

After 2010- two straight years of playoff-less football, can't win without Spags, defense not motivated, Eli is regressing, undiciplined football, etc.

Now do changes have to be made? Of course. They were made after '06, and after '10, and they will be made this year. But I ask you this, who would have a better grasp on how to fix the situation at hand:

1.) A new regime, no loyalties to anyone, drastic changes, etc.

2.) The one in place that has proven a capability to turn a mess around, has had an extensive look at the roster, and have the best grasp on what we need to fix.


After a year like this, I can understand why people want option 1 (I wouldn't mind it for, just for the record), but I think what's gonna happen is option 2. The problems will be fixed....


...but we will start start 6-2 and have a November slump every year.That's my ongoing issue with TC.
The awful thing about it is he doesn't know why.

FIFTY6G-MAN
12-25-2012, 08:14 PM
Does TC or any coach want o lose? Have tey shown they can win? Players regressing and injuries happen. The OL needs a major overhaul for sure. The last time we saw this defense they where light out. Who knew two premier DE's would hit the wall in just 6 months and that their #1 CB would be so bad this year? The last wo games where embarrassing but th truth is the defense was not allowing a lot of points up until then.Spell Correctly and then come talk!

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 08:14 PM
Hopefully they start 8-0 next year before the slump begins.

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 08:18 PM
Hopefully they start 8-0 next year before the slump begins.THAT'S NOT HOW IT HAPPENS AND YOU KNOW THAT.

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 08:19 PM
How about 7-1?

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 08:20 PM
How about 7-1?6-2

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 08:21 PM
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ghostoftommymaddox
12-25-2012, 08:22 PM
The message from John Mara, if he has one, will be simple: don't bring back the 2011 team again. At this point, a transition year that builds towards something will be better than another status quo season where the players decline before your eyes.

Rebuilding the offensive and defensive lines has to be the top priority. There is no point in spending money on upgrading the offensive and defensive backfields unless they do this.

Eli obviously stays, but Bradshaw cannot be the number one back anymore -- he has his moments but physically he is nearly shot and will be too slow to the line of scrimmage for the rest of his career. And something is wrong when the offense goes completely down the chute every time the #1 receiver is hurt.

TC cannot repeat what he did to David Wilson next year. Burying your no. 1 draft pick for one mistake on his second play from scrimmage is a college move. They also have to find out if guys like Randle and Austin can really play.

As to the coordinators, both sides of the ball suffered but I don't see a Bill Sheridan situation here. I'm guessing they stay if they don't find other jobs, but will be told they are out of mulligans.

moosedrool
12-25-2012, 08:24 PM
Obviously the second half slumps aren't due to aging players in his 9 year tenure.
It's something that he does that's causing this, and he needs to figure out what it is.

There is nothing to figure out. Every second half slide has been accompanied by multiple key injuries.

Last year was different. We were relatively healthy and got Osi back near the end of the year. And the team that wins the super bowl this year will have a similar situation.

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I did say hopefully.

WiIdcat
12-25-2012, 08:25 PM
I'm not going to be nasty and hateful to the pieces that must be replaced in the offseason like a lot of you. These pieces have contributed to getting us 2 SB titles in 5 years.........but it is time.

First of all.....I'm tired of putting a team on the field that sometimes look as though they don't have a clue how to play together and other times look like world beaters. It's too much stress. I'm ready to rebuild and I think it begins with BOTH coordinators. KG's gameplan has been figured out and he lacks the imagination it takes to keep defenses honest. They know what's coming.....MY 7 YEAR OLD KNOWS WHAT'S COMING!! I have always defended KG and put it to the players for not executing the plays callled.....but if I can call every play before the ball is snapped....I'm pretty sure professionals can too.

As far as PF goes.....I absolutely HATE our defense. HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! HATE IT!!! What the hell is he watching out there??

I'm ready for Tuck, Osi and Webster to go. Not because they weren't great at one time, because they were.....but they aren't anymore.

Time to focus on some LB's for a change. I love Chase, he's all heart.....but is far too slow.

The o-line has to be retooled and Bradshaw has to have his role on the offense deminished. Time for the youngster to get his carries.

I would accept a few years of rebuilding as long as there is consistant progress and not this up and down and up and down crap we have to deal with.

I'm even willing to sacrfice a 2 time SB winning HC if it means this team doesn't look like it's given up at some point every season.

Rant over.

Merry Christmas

I totally agree with you. At the end of the day, I believe TC still has what it takes to lead this team to multiple super bowls, but the coordinators have to GTFO. Gilbride's schemes and playcalling are horrible. He doesn't build around the players he makes the players adapt to the scheme. Fewell is just garbage. We need a DC who is aggressive, and has the team swarming to the ball like the 49ers and Seahawks defenses do.

Offensively, the whole line minus Beatty needs to be retooled. Plenty of FA's available this year and it would be wise to add some depth early in the draft here.
As you said, Tuck and Webster have to go. I would also be for canning Canty and Rolle. Not because they are bad players; Canty is pretty good!, but because they are not worth their salaries. I would like to see us go after Henry Melton of Chicago, and Jairus Byrd of the Bills to replace those two. I also believe Michael Johnson of the Bengals would be a nice pick up this offseason to help spark that pass rush.

As far as the draft, I believe we should go with CB in the first and get an impact LB in the second. From there on out just go BPA with a focus on defense.

Cloud57
12-25-2012, 08:26 PM
The message from John Mara, if he has one, will be simple: don't bring back the 2011 team again. At this point, a transition year that builds towards something will be better than another status quo season where the players decline before your eyes.

Rebuilding the offensive and defensive lines has to be the top priority. There is no point in spending money on upgrading the offensive and defensive backfields unless they do this.

Eli obviously stays, but Bradshaw cannot be the number one back anymore -- he has his moments but physically he is nearly shot and will be too slow to the line of scrimmage for the rest of his career. And something is wrong when the offense goes completely down the chute every time the #1 receiver is hurt.

TC cannot repeat what he did to David Wilson next year. Burying your no. 1 draft pick for one mistake on his second play from scrimmage is a college move. They also have find out if guys like Randle and Austin can really play.

As to the coordinators, both sides of the ball suffered but I don't see a Bill Sheridan situation here. I'm guessing they stay if they don't find other jobs, but will be told they are out of mulligans.+1. Austin is a bust and I think he was taken off by cart for a knee injury during Ravens game

Buddy333
12-25-2012, 08:31 PM
So TC did play rookies this year but not the one every FAN thinks should have? As far as Austin goes he was a great pick as far as what he had to offer. One non injury year off was worth the pick for his athletic ability. It's unfortunate he just can't stay healthy. It happens. Just have to move on. Hey, the 7th round DT looks like he might work out as long as he heals ok tis offseason. That's just the way it oes sometimes.

moosedrool
12-25-2012, 08:41 PM
Rebuilding the offensive and defensive lines has to be the top priority. There is no point in spending money on upgrading the offensive and defensive backfields unless they do this.

Agree 100%

gumby74
12-25-2012, 09:02 PM
sometimes you need to take a couple steps back to move forward. I think the next couple years will be the case.