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Giantamy
12-25-2012, 11:12 PM
QB

2012

2013

2014

2015

2016

2017

Signing Bonus

Guaranteed

Bonus Max



Eli Manning

9 600 000

20 850 000

20 400 000

19 750 000

Unrestricted


13 000 000

35 000 000

2 600 000



David Carr

990 000

Unrestricted







or












15 850 000



RB












Ahmad Bradshaw

4 500 000

5 250 000

5 500 000

Unrestricted



5 000 000

9 000 000

2 500 000



David Wilson

1 215 364

1 519 205

1 823 046

2 126 364

Unrestricted


3 301 456


2 476 092



Andre Brown

348 750

Restricted










Da'Rel Scott

188 350

568 975

658 975

Unrestricted



55 900


27 950



Kregg Lumpkin

115 313

Unrestricted










Ryan Torain

115 313

Unrestricted






















FB












Henry Hynoski

470 000

560 000

Restricted




15 000


5000















WR












Hakeem Nicks

1 780 000

1 955 000

Unrestricted




2 500 000


500 000



Victor Cruz

490 000

Restricted










Rueben Randle

598 533

748 166

872 799

1 022 432

Unrestricted


834 132


625 599



Jerrel Jernigan

608 750

698 750

788 750

Unrestricted



575 000


287 500



Domenik Hixon

615 000

Unrestricted










Ramses Barden

1 490 789

Unrestricted










Dan Depalma
























TE












Martellus Bennett

2 500 000

Unrestricted










Bear Pascoe

615 000

Restricted










Adrien Robinson

486 413

576 413

666 413

756 413

Unrestricted


385 652


289 239



Travis Beckum

768 250

Unrestricted










Larry Donnell
























T












William Beatty

845 000

Unrestricted










Sean Locklear

890 000

Unrestricted










David Diehl

4 550 000

7 450 000

Unrestricted




3 000 000


3 000 000



James Brewer

574 616

664 616

754 616

Unrestricted



438 464


219 232



Brandon Mosley

75 146

555 146

645 146

735 146

Unrestricted


300 584


225 438



Selvish Capers

390 000

Restricted










Matt McCants
























G












Chris Snee

7 783 333

8 783 333

6 700 000

Unrestricted



13 500 000

17 000 000

2 250 000



Kevin Boothe

1 500 000

Unrestricted










Stephen Goodin
























C












David Baas

3 375 000

6 725 000

7 225 000

7 475 000

Unrestricted


8 500 000

11 500 000

6 675 000



Jim Cordle

465 000

Unrestricted






















DE












Jason Pierre-Paul

2 275 000

2 625 000

2 961 000

Unrestricted



900 000

11 629 807

300 000



Justin Tuck

4 850 000

5 650 000

Unrestricted




9 000 000


1 500 000



Osi Umenyiora

6 000 000

Unrestricted










Adewale Ojomo

390 000

480 000

570 000

Restricted








Adrian Tracy

540 000

Restricted










Justin Trattou

465 000

Restricted










Matt Broha
























DT












Chris Canty

7 950 000

8 200 000

6 750 000

Unrestricted



8 500 000

16 000 000

1 700 000



Linval Joseph

922 000

957 000

Unrestricted




1 528 000


382 000



Marvin Austin

856 627

978 254

1 149 881

Unrestricted



1 240 000


620 000



Rocky Bernard

925 000

Unrestricted










Markus Kuhn

255 224

491 474

581 474

671 474

Unrestricted


45 896


34 422



Shaun Rogers

605 000

Unrestricted










Martin Parker

465 000

555 000

645 000

Unrestricted




















OLB












Michael Boley

5 650 000

5 900 000

Unrestricted




7 000 000

11 000 000

1 400 000



Mathias Kiwanuka

4 125 000

5 125 000

6 550 000

6 950 000

Unrestricted


8 500 000

10 950 000

6 375 000



Keith Rivers

2 405 000

Unrestricted










Jacquian Williams

484 750

574 750

664 750

Unrestricted



79 000


39 500















MLB












Chase Blackburn

540 000

Unrestricted










Mark Herzlich

470 000

560 000

Unrestricted




15 000


5 000



Spencer Paysinger

465 000

555 000

Unrestricted





















CB












Prince Amukamara

1 846 859

2 218 718

1 895 200

Unrestricted



4 400 000

7 484 000

2 200 000



Corey Webster

9 475 000

9 975 000

Unrestricted




5 250 000

20 000 000

875 000



Jayron Hosley

518 750

616 250

706 250

796 250

Unrestricted


515 000


386 250



Terrell Thomas

312 500

3 000 000 or UFA

6 050 000

7 000 000

Unrestricted


1 000 000

11 000 000

6 750 000



Justin Tryon

700 000

Unrestricted










Bruce Johnson

540 000

Restricted










Brian Witherspoon

540 000

Unrestricted










Laron Scott
























S












Kenny Phillips

2 961 250

Unrestricted





2 530 000





Antrel Rolle

9 000 000

9 250 000

9 250 000

Unrestricted



5 000 000

15 000 000

4 000 000



Stevie Brown

540 000

Restricted










Will Hill

292 500

480 000

570 000

Restricted








Tyler Sash

547 694

637 694

727 694

Unrestricted



330 776


165 388















K/P/LS












Lawrence Tynes

1 550 000

Unrestricted










Steve Weatherford

1 425 000

2 475 000

2 675 000

2 825 000

2 975 000

Unrestricted

3 250 000


2 600 000



Zak DeOssie

1 105 667

1 049 000

1 150 000

1 200 000

Unrestricted


800 000


600 000















CAP

120 600 000

???










Total on team

118 955 310

116 257 744










David Diehl

7 450 000

4 450 000










Chris Canty

8 200 000

6 500 000










Corey Webster

9 975 000

9 100 000












96 207 744










Antrel Rolle

9 250 000

5 250 000

90 957 744









Michael Boley

5 900 000

4 500 000

91 707 744









Justin Tuck

5 650 000

4 150 000

92 057 744











82 307 744










Chris Snee

8 783 333

6 533 333

89 674 411











75 774 411

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 11:14 PM
I'm interested in the cap hit on guys like Diehl, Boley, Tuck, Webster, etc

Toadofsteel
12-25-2012, 11:16 PM
What is the immediate cap hit for cutting early for each player still signed through 2013 and onwards?

appodictic
12-25-2012, 11:20 PM
Total on team 118 955 310 116 257 744
David Diehl 7 450 000 4 450 000
Chris Canty 8 200 000 6 500 000
Corey Webster 9 975 000 9 100 000
96 207 744
Antrel Rolle 9 250 000 5 250 000 90 957 744
Michael Boley 5 900 000 4 500 000 91 707 744
Justin Tuck 5 650 000 4 150 000 92 057 744
82 307 744
Chris Snee 8 783 333 6 533 333 89 674 411
75 774 411

All accept Rolle are not worth it.

RagTime Blue
12-25-2012, 11:21 PM
Well if it hurts to cut guys, then maybe just let them act as backups instead of starters.

Toadofsteel
12-25-2012, 11:23 PM
Part of why I say we should sack the 2013 season for rebuilding... some of these guys are so overpaid its ridiculous. It's not like we're going to bust up the "no team has ever played in their home stadium for a super bowl" thing. Just get some of the overpaid cruft out of here NOW so we can build a new future.

gmen0820
12-25-2012, 11:24 PM
Total on team 118 955 310 116 257 744
David Diehl 7 450 000 4 450 000
Chris Canty 8 200 000 6 500 000
Corey Webster 9 975 000 9 100 000
96 207 744
Antrel Rolle 9 250 000 5 250 000 90 957 744
Michael Boley 5 900 000 4 500 000 91 707 744
Justin Tuck 5 650 000 4 150 000 92 057 744
82 307 744
Chris Snee 8 783 333 6 533 333 89 674 411
75 774 411

All accept Rolle are not worth it.They're all gonna have to re-do their deals then, I guess

Giantamy
12-25-2012, 11:27 PM
as you can see:

Diehl, Canty, Webster are getting a lot of money $$$ and we can afford to get a lot of money back in releasing them.. I would do it! I would only keep Canty or Webster for a huge huge pay cut in the 3-4M less per year (won't happen)

Rolle is a so so situation ??? I would cut him next off season

Snee... well he will take a small pay cut I guess...will drop 1-2M to his annual salary

Boley and Tuck are a so so situation ... you can save money yes... but do you have the guys in place to replace them???

and look at Manning salary ...a 11M rise on the cap hit...if you rework the deal it will only hurt us even more next year

so my 2 cents:

cut Diehl
cut Canty
cut Webster
keep Rolle
keep Snee with small pay cut
keep Boley and Tuck and let them retire next season or don't re-sign them next year
don't touch Manning contract
let Osi go
let Terrell Thomas go
let Rivers go

re-sign Beatty 4-5M a year (5 years deal)
re-sign Unicorn 3 years 3.5M per year
re-sign Phillips 3 years 4M per year
re-sign Blackburn 3 years 2.5M per year
re-sign Boothe 2 years 2,5M per year
re-sign Locklear 1 year 1.5M
sign Cruz 4 years 6.5M per year
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 1
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 2
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 3
sign a starting LB free agent
sign the remaining (not drafted in the first 3 rounds) T/DE/DT/CB starter in free agency

elitocruz
12-25-2012, 11:56 PM
Giantamy, I like what you've got here. Couple of things IMO. I'd be careful about Phillips. Love him, but risky. too many health issues. 3 years is ok if you watch the cap hit if they have to cut bait. I'd also keep Canty. remember, he's the only one Coughlin singled out for playing worth a damn in Baltimore. Also missed 6-7 games and needed time to round into shape. Gets push up the middle. I'd keep him. Unicorn at 3.5 per is a 1,000,000 raise from this season. Played hurt, played well for the most part. I guess I'd resign rather than lose him, but see if it's possible to do it for less. Maybe front load it with more guarantee, as insurance on the back end?
as you can see:

Diehl, Canty, Webster are getting a lot of money $$$ and we can afford to get a lot of money back in releasing them.. I would do it! I would only keep Canty or Webster for a huge huge pay cut in the 3-4M less per year (won't happen)

Rolle is a so so situation ??? I would cut him next off season

Snee... well he will take a small pay cut I guess...will drop 1-2M to his annual salary

Boley and Tuck are a so so situation ... you can save money yes... but do you have the guys in place to replace them???

and look at Manning salary ...a 11M rise on the cap hit...if you rework the deal it will only hurt us even more next year

so my 2 cents:

cut Diehl
cut Canty
cut Webster
keep Rolle
keep Snee with small pay cut
keep Boley and Tuck and let them retire next season or don't re-sign them next year
don't touch Manning contract
let Osi go
let Terrell Thomas go
let Rivers go

re-sign Beatty 4-5M a year (5 years deal)
re-sign Unicorn 3 years 3.5M per year
re-sign Phillips 3 years 4M per year
re-sign Blackburn 3 years 2.5M per year
re-sign Boothe 2 years 2,5M per year
re-sign Locklear 1 year 1.5M
sign Cruz 4 years 6.5M per year
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 1
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 2
draft T/DE/DT/CB round 3
sign a starting LB free agent
sign the remaining (not drafted in the first 3 rounds) T/DE/DT/CB starter in free agency

Flip Empty
12-26-2012, 12:09 AM
some of these guys are so overpaid its ridiculous.
It's the price you pay for constant restructuring.

TheEnigma
12-26-2012, 12:15 AM
This is how bad I cried when I saw this list (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA/)

P_Simms_#11
12-26-2012, 12:25 AM
Barden and Beckum are unrestricted FA's after this season? Buh bye.

gmen0820
12-26-2012, 12:34 AM
Barden and Beckum are unrestricted FA's after this season? Buh bye PLAYOFF HOPES.fixed*

Toadofsteel
12-26-2012, 02:51 AM
It's the price you pay for constant restructuring.

That and getting old OL castoffs in free agency instead of drafting OL like JR should have done 3 years ago...

Giantamy
12-26-2012, 09:04 AM
That and getting old OL castoffs in free agency instead of drafting OL like JR should have done 3 years ago...

this year we have a real shot at a good T in the first 2 rounds ... we must strike!

Beatty-Boothe-Baas-Snee-Round 1 backup: Mosley-McCants-Cordle

stormblue
12-26-2012, 10:42 AM
It's the price you pay for constant restructuring.

i know , restructuring is so stupid.......
let's just push off salaries until next year when we can't even afford them this year.....
when you already had a bunch of players restructured to start with....
and restructure is mostly guaranteed and counts toward the cap , so cutting them doesn't help.
isn't that why half of america has credit card debt that they can't pay.
senseless.

Toadofsteel
12-26-2012, 11:23 AM
i know , restructuring is so stupid.......
let's just push off salaries until next year when we can't even afford them this year.....
when you already had a bunch of players restructured to start with....
and restructure is mostly guaranteed and counts toward the cap , so cutting them doesn't help.
isn't that why half of america has credit card debt that they can't pay.
senseless.

I liken cutting overpaid players to basically declaring bankruptcy for a season... take all the cap hits up front now, sack the 2013 season for rebuilding, and come out 2014 strong with young talent that is not overpaid. The Ponzi Scheme needs to stop.

stormblue
12-26-2012, 11:44 AM
I liken cutting overpaid players to basically declaring bankruptcy for a season... take all the cap hits up front now, sack the 2013 season for rebuilding, and come out 2014 strong with young talent that is not overpaid. The Ponzi Scheme needs to stop.

i'm not sure if they'd have enough money to pay enough players
to field a team if they ditched them all next year....
where do they get the money....cutting doesn't relieve the cap.
but man....they gotta at least get started down the right road.
i'm not a capologist but i can tell we are sacrificing our present and our future with this lunacy.
not to mention they wind up getting paid the big money once they start to suck.
what a vicious cycle.

GMENAGAIN
12-26-2012, 11:46 AM
I liken cutting overpaid players to basically declaring bankruptcy for a season... take all the cap hits up front now, sack the 2013 season for rebuilding, and come out 2014 strong with young talent that is not overpaid. The Ponzi Scheme needs to stop.

Sack a whole season and waste another year of Eli's career?

Nah, some retooling will have us back in the hunt. It's not like we are 5-11

stormblue
12-26-2012, 11:49 AM
no , but we are 2-5 lately.....going on 2-6.

stormblue
12-26-2012, 11:51 AM
no , but we are 2-5 lately.....going on 2-6.

but then again....we could win this week ..back in.....and all is well in Gotham

you just don't know anymore

Hooligans
12-26-2012, 11:53 AM
Eli ain't worth any 20 million, that much is for sure.

Giantamy
12-27-2012, 08:45 AM
Eli ain't worth any 20 million, that much is for sure.

this off season we will see how good is Jerry Reese for sure he can save up to 25M$ in cap space if he is bright and I hope he will sit with Snee so he can take a pay cut...

Canty-Diehl-Webster are making way too much $$$ for what they're giving us you can sign 3 free agents for the price of 2 of them to replace the 3...

Flip Empty
12-27-2012, 09:54 AM
Eli ain't worth any 20 million, that much is for sure.
You can't gauge a contract's value in this manner. It's not performance-based. If it was, Eli would deserve a heck of a lot more than $9.6 mil for last year's effort. The yearly cap hit is just that - a cap hit. It's not what the team is paying a player in any given year.

The Giants valued seven years of Eli at 106 million dollars. Seeing as one of those years has already brought with it a Super Bowl title, the contract has already paid dividends.

Eli is worth the contract the Giants offered him.