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gfanblue
12-28-2012, 07:28 PM
I was listening to Hill and Shclereth this morning on ESPN Radio. . they were talking about some team that had committed a lot of penalties. so they gave a quote from Herman Edwards which said you're either coaching it or allowing it. and that got me to thinking about Tom Coughlin. do you guys think that the problems this Teams had is because he's not coaching it? I would not think so. Tom is a serious disciplinarian. so that being said if he is really coaching , that just means everybody's tuning him out. or he genuinely has no clue what's going on. so what do you all think? let's discuss it

ashleymarie
12-28-2012, 08:09 PM
I think Coughlin is on an Island. Alone. In spite of the magical seasons he has coached in the PAST.

gfanblue
12-28-2012, 08:19 PM
Very well said. I feel he has given too much freedom to his coordinators. As one who's had years of management experience I can tell you that the Better trained your staff, the less you have to do. I think Toms problem is he thinks his guys maybe trained well, but he doesnt realize their shortfalls. He may not be trying to micromanage the team, when that's exactly what he should do. Remember Fassel taking play calling from Sean Payton? Drastic times call for drastic measures and ladies and gentlemen, drastic times have already sailed....it's too late now.

bearbryant
12-28-2012, 10:05 PM
When your HC tells you he does not know whats happening. Think he's lost it? Please. He's already cashed it in like many of the winners on this team. No drive, no passion, no accountability; all equals: losses. Unfortunately, losing to Philly wouldn't help or I'd cheer for Reid. If the HC has no answer, get someone who does!

JJC7301
12-28-2012, 10:43 PM
Herm Edward's teams that he coached always had a knack for choking. Did he coach choking, or did he just allow it to happen?

Cloud57
12-28-2012, 10:54 PM
Tom lives in another world.

gfanblue
12-29-2012, 12:03 AM
Herm Edward's teams that he coached always had a knack for choking. Did he coach choking, or did he just allow it to happen?This isnt about him. I simply thought those were very profound words.

DandyDon
12-29-2012, 12:04 AM
Tom lives in another world.

Here's his NFL coaching record. Coached for 8 years, won one playoff game and had 3 winning seasons. I'd rather live in Tom's world

Herman EdwardsOverall: 44 - 68
Playoffs: 1 - 3


Year
Team
Season
Playoffs


2001 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2001&lg=nfl)
NYJ (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=NYJ&yr=2001&lg=nfl)
10 - 6 - 0
0 - 1


2002 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2002&lg=nfl)
NYJ (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=NYJ&yr=2002&lg=nfl)
9 - 7 - 0
1 - 1


2003 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2003&lg=nfl)
NYJ (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=NYJ&yr=2003&lg=nfl)
6 - 10 - 0
-


2005 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2005&lg=NFL)
NYJ (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=NYJ&yr=2005&lg=NFL)
4 - 12 - 0
0 - 0


2006 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2006&lg=NFL)
KAN (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=KAN&yr=2006&lg=NFL)
9 - 7 - 0
0 - 1


2007 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2007&lg=NFL)
KAN (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=KAN&yr=2007&lg=NFL)
4 - 12 - 0
0 - 0


2008 (http://boards.giants.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?yr=2008&lg=NFL)
KAN (http://boards.giants.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=KAN&yr=2008&lg=NFL)
2 - 14 - 0
0 - 0

gfanblue
12-29-2012, 12:08 AM
Seriously. You guys are all special or something . The thread is about what he SAID, not his coaching record. Good grief

Rat_bastich
12-29-2012, 12:29 AM
I think what they are pointing out is having someone like Herm Edwards or Eric Mangini being called experts is a hard pill to swallow when they were never actually that successful in something they are acting as experts on.

jomo
12-29-2012, 12:47 AM
Herm Edward's teams that he coached always had a knack for choking. Did he coach choking, or did he just allow it to happen?Truth

jomo
12-29-2012, 12:48 AM
I think what they are pointing out is having someone like Herm Edwards or Eric Mangini being called experts is a hard pill to swallow when they were never actually that successful in something they are acting as experts on.Double truth!

Rat_bastich
12-29-2012, 12:50 AM
Double truth!

And it shall set us free!

Hit me two times Howie!

SweetZombieJesus
12-29-2012, 08:09 AM
I think what they are pointing out is having someone like Herm Edwards or Eric Mangini being called experts is a hard pill to swallow when they were never actually that successful in something they are acting as experts on.

Those who can -- do.
Those who can't -- teach.

RoanokeFan
12-29-2012, 08:46 AM
Seriously. You guys are all special or something . The thread is about what he SAID, not his coaching record. Good grief

I think what they are trying to say is given his record, is he one to talk?

DandyDon
12-29-2012, 11:52 AM
I think what they are pointing out is having someone like Herm Edwards or Eric Mangini being called experts is a hard pill to swallow when they were never actually that successful in something they are acting as experts on.

Yup. Thats what we are saying :)

ShakeandBake
12-29-2012, 11:57 AM
Those who can -- do.
Those who can't -- teach.

I always hated this expression, teachers are usually(and should be) former professionals in their field who have retired.

DVision
12-29-2012, 12:45 PM
I was listening to Hill and Shclereth this morning on ESPN Radio. . they were talking about some team that had committed a lot of penalties. so they gave a quote from Herman Edwards which said you're either coaching it or allowing it. and that got me to thinking about Tom Coughlin. do you guys think that the problems this Teams had is because he's not coaching it? I would not think so. Tom is a serious disciplinarian. so that being said if he is really coaching , that just means everybody's tuning him out. or he genuinely has no clue what's going on. so what do you all think? let's discuss it

I don't understand your point. Going into the Atlanta game we were the 2nd least penalized team in the league behind Atlanta and had the 2nd best turnover ratio. TC can't play the game. That's on the players!

TroyArcher
12-29-2012, 01:10 PM
I think Coughlin is on an Island. Alone. In spite of the magical seasons he has coached in the PAST.

Nice try for dumbest post of the year, got in just in time.

TroyArcher
12-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Lets see on one hand we have one the best coaches in NFL history who has Two SB wins. On the other hand we have one of the worst coaches in NFL history. Hmmmmmm

gfanblue
12-29-2012, 01:16 PM
I don't understand your point. Going into the Atlanta game we were the 2nd least penalized team in the league behind Atlanta and had the 2nd best turnover ratio. TC can't play the game. That's on the players!You all missed it apparently. It has nothing to do with penalties or edwards ability as a coach. My point was whether or not tom is coaching the players on their glaring issues or just accepting it for what it is. Nobody has any anwers on that team.

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 01:19 PM
Here's the problem: A lot of people want Coughlin gone, yet there is no way to reach a logical basis in which he is fired. There is no precedent of this happening in the NFL, winning a SB, following it up with a .500+ year and getting fired. The best case you can make as it pertains to Coughlin's situation + precedent is the 2003 Raiders, but that team was led by Al Davis, and players PUBLICLY turned on their coach after a 2-5 start, even going as far as to say Bill Callahan tried sabotaging the season.

Now, because of confirmation bias, people are scrapping together anything they can find to make a case, including ESPN radio quotes. Jesus Christ.

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 01:20 PM
You all missed it apparently. It has nothing to do with penalties or edwards ability as a coach. My point was whether or not tom is coaching the players on their glaring issues or just accepting it for what it is. Nobody has any anwers on that team.Why the hell should Coughlin have to explain his coaching methods to a bunch of people (fans, reporters, media), who have no use for the information anyway? What freaking difference does it make?

gfanblue
12-29-2012, 01:28 PM
Why the hell should Coughlin have to explain his coaching methods to a bunch of people (fans, reporters, media), who have no use for the information anyway? What freaking difference does it make?I dont know. I suppose the whole point of this board is to, um, maybe, oh I dont know....DISCUSS THINGS!!!! Im out. Some of you need to get off your soapbox.

DandyDon
12-29-2012, 11:18 PM
I dont know. I suppose the whole point of this board is to, um, maybe, oh I dont know....DISCUSS THINGS!!!! Im out. Some of you need to get off your soapbox.

We do discuss. Bottom line is a lot of professional NFL people respect Coughlin. A LOT.

Not as many respect Edwards. And for a reason.

You seem to imply that Edwards knows something Coughlin dont. I disagree.

Discuss!

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 11:23 PM
We do discuss. Bottom line is a lot of professional NFL people respect Coughlin. A LOT.

Not as many respect Edwards. And for a reason.

You seem to imply that Edwards knows something Coughlin dont. I disagree.

Discuss!But it was on ESPN Radio, man!

ashleymarie
12-30-2012, 12:46 AM
Nice try for dumbest post of the year, got in just in time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VMU7iKazOw

SweetZombieJesus
12-30-2012, 05:44 AM
Why the hell should Coughlin have to explain his coaching methods to a bunch of people (fans, reporters, media), who have no use for the information anyway? What freaking difference does it make?

The problem is he can't explain it for himself... Clearly there is a dysfunction to his coaching style, the collapses have happened every one of his 9 years but he tells us he doesn't know what's wrong. The first step in fixing a problem is identifying it, and for whatever reason they are unable (or unwilling) to identify the problem. They just don't know. They just kind of throw their hands up in the air and shrug their shoulders.

If you had a mechanic who behaved that way with your car, would you keep going to him?

M00KIE
12-30-2012, 06:01 AM
I just think your voice loses it's bite with players that have been here for awhile and won 1 or 2 SB's. Something will have to change. TC or vet players. My money is on players being removed.

Captain Chaos
12-30-2012, 06:03 AM
Not a fan of Herm Edwards, but its not a bad quote...

gfanblue
12-30-2012, 08:58 AM
Not a fan of Herm Edwards, but its not a bad quote...thats all I was trying to say...the guy isn't a horrible coach. I was only intrigued by that. If Tom had a clue how to fix the team he would. So, is he coaching this team or allowing this garbage to go on? I would say the latter. Since nothing's been fixed.

SiddFinch1
12-30-2012, 09:04 AM
Those who can -- do.Those who can't -- teach.Ever hear of Charlie Lau? Dave Duncan?tony larussa?