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Buddy333
12-29-2012, 03:20 PM
So what can the Giants do this offseason?

brad
12-29-2012, 03:27 PM
I am no expert, but from what I understand they are in a fairly difficult situation cap-wise. If I was GM I would probably try to trade away some high priced players in hopes of clearing up cap space, however with the way that many played this year, that is probably unlikely. The next best thing would be to go to a 2-3 year plan, bringing in young lower priced talent while letting the veteran contracts expire.

Ultimately it depends on if they feel the current roster is capable of playing at a high level. If you buy into the argument that execution is the issue, then the Giants are about to go into a rebuilding phase. If you believe that players just gave up and aren't buying into the system, then it may be time to bring in different coordinators and see if they are able to get more from the existing group with some minor re-tooling.

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-29-2012, 03:28 PM
So what can the Giants do this offseason?

well they obviously need to draft well,,,,,I am asumming there will be some players cut,,some salaries adjusted, and then with what ever they have left,,,FA's.

ELI_HOF_NYG
12-29-2012, 03:39 PM
So what can the Giants do this offseason?

sorry buddy,,,I started a similar thread a little while ago but had to walk away from computer,,,when I came back I posted my thread not realizing that you started one already,,,,,mods feel free to delete this thread.

Buddy333
12-29-2012, 03:45 PM
I am no expert, but from what I understand they are in a fairly difficult situation cap-wise. If I was GM I would probably try to trade away some high priced players in hopes of clearing up cap space, however with the way that many played this year, that is probably unlikely. The next best thing would be to go to a 2-3 year plan, bringing in young lower priced talent while letting the veteran contracts expire. Ultimately it depends on if they feel the current roster is capable of playing at a high level. If you buy into the argument that execution is the issue, then the Giants are about to go into a rebuilding phase. If you believe that players just gave up and aren't buying into the system, then it may be time to bring in different coordinators and see if they are able to get more from the existing group with some minor re-tooling.The coaches aren't going anywhere. Staying healthy will go a long way, and getting younger will also help. Don't know who they can cut without it counting against the cap. It probably safe to say that Osi and Diehl are gone and they should free up some money. Then again they have to sign Beatty so there goes some of that money. Can they cut Webster without it counting against the cap? If so that saves a bunch of money.

ANON837
12-29-2012, 08:03 PM
The run was fun but they need to start replacing the players and the coaching staff. The past two weeks they didn't show up. They also didn't show up in Cincy after Coughlin called out the D. Is it that Coughlin's voice isn't being heard? Are the coordinators unable to adjust and get a gameplan that works from week to week? Is the talent inadequate? Are players like Wilson not being fully utilized? This all adds up to a team starting 6-2 and are now on the outside looking in. Rebuild. If it takes two years to eat player salary, then so be it. If Osi and Diehl are the first to get pushed, then so be it. If Tuck seems uninterested, he's next. Snee is on the decline. Baas was not a good signing to begin with. Webster was good but has fallen. Hosley and Prince can man the corners. Draft the trenches. The skill positions are fine. Who knows? Maybe it will take only an off-season to right the ship but this team needs to change.

juice33s
12-29-2012, 08:44 PM
Here are some FA's the Giants might have some interest in given need, talent and potential bargain
RT- Sebastian Vollmer- Might be the best player in the NFL at a position of need for the Giants
DT- Glenn Dorsey- Former top 5 pick coming off of injury could be had for cheap
DT- Henry Melton- One of the better pass rushing DT's in the NFL
RT Andre Smith- See Vollmer explanation
DE- Connor Barwin- Solid pass rusher in his prime
DE- Michael Johnson- see above
DE- Michael bennett- '' ''
CB- Brent Grimes- One of the best corners in football before he blew out his achilles this season. Also with the fact he'll be 30 next season he could be had for a bargain basement price

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 08:48 PM
Here are some FA's the Giants might have some interest in given need, talent and potential bargain
RT- Sebastian Vollmer- Might be the best player in the NFL at a position of need for the Giants
DT- Glenn Dorsey- Former top 5 pick coming off of injury could be had for cheap
DT- Henry Melton- One of the better pass rushing DT's in the NFL
RT Andre Smith- See Vollmer explanation
DE- Connor Barwin- Solid pass rusher in his prime
CB- Brent Grimes- One of the best corners in football before he blew out his achilles this season. Also with the fact he'll be 30 next season he could be had for a bargain basement priceYup, pretty much what I have been preaching the past few days. I'm a big fan of Vollmer, Melton is a solid player, Barwin is a solid pass rusher like you said, wouldn't mind seeing Dorsey in a 43 again, and as for Grimes, great player, but achilles injuries are no joke. If he's coming really cheap, I think he could excel in Fewell's zone concepts.

But Vollmer/Melton/Cornerback would be a great FA for us.

TheEnigma
12-29-2012, 09:01 PM
Yup, pretty much what I have been preaching the past few days. I'm a big fan of Vollmer, Melton is a solid player, Barwin is a solid pass rusher like you said, wouldn't mind seeing Dorsey in a 43 again, and as for Grimes, great player, but achilles injuries are no joke. If he's coming really cheap, I think he could excel in Fewell's zone concepts.

But Vollmer/Melton/Cornerback would be a great FA for us.

Winston is getting about $5mil a year with the Chiefs and he was the best RT on the market last year. Wouldn't surprise me if Vollmer and Andre Smith seek around $6-7 mil a year initially so I'm not really counting on those two coming to the Giants. Melton has been trending a lot this year and if the Bears make the playoffs, I could see him increase his value with some solid play to the point it's out of our reach. Dorsey doesn't offer much in terms of pass rushing but we really need solid run defense and that's one thing he provides. Grimes could be good insurance in the event that Webster blows chunks in 2013 again and Barwin could be a suitable replacement for Osi.

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Winston is getting about $5mil a year with the Chiefs and he was the best RT on the market last year. Wouldn't surprise me if Vollmer and Andre Smith seek around $6-7 mil a year initially so I'm not really counting on those two coming to the Giants. Melton has been trending a lot this year and if the Bears make the playoffs, I could see him increase his value with some solid play to the point it's out of our reach. Dorsey doesn't offer much in terms of pass rushing but we really need solid run defense and that's one thing he provides. Grimes could be good insurance in the event that Webster blows chunks in 2013 again and Barwin could be a suitable replacement for Osi.Honestly, I'm not a fan of Andre Smith at all. Granted, my look at him hasn't been extensive since he was mauling guys at Alabama, but between his lazy pre-draft performance, his injuries with the Bengals, and getting absolutely manhandled by Brandon Graham a couple weeks ago, I'm not so sure he's suitable to be our RT of the future. Vollmer, in addition to being physically impressive, seems like a much more solid player. I wouldn't be opposed to giving him 4-5 mil per year, if he'd take it. I doubt the Pats resign him for big money, that's just not how they roll.

Again, with Grimes, not so sure how much he will be limited by his recovering achilles next year. I'm much more of a Sam Shields guy myself, but he is an RFA which is a sticky situation. As for Melton or Dorsey, wouldn't mind seeing them play our 3T position, which I think Melton is much better suited for having played in the Bears Tampa-2 system. Melton isn't a guy I see commanding an outrageous salary, either.

Wildcard play would be someone like Jermichael Finley. He isn't necessarily known as a blocker, but if we can get him in an H-back, Y-TE here, and have plays where he is reasonably high in the progression, I think we can get a lot of production for a decent price. His drops are a bit concerning though.

laylow28
12-29-2012, 09:14 PM
Here are some FA's the Giants might have some interest in given need, talent and potential bargain
RT- Sebastian Vollmer- Might be the best player in the NFL at a position of need for the Giants
DT- Glenn Dorsey- Former top 5 pick coming off of injury could be had for cheap
DT- Henry Melton- One of the better pass rushing DT's in the NFL
RT Andre Smith- See Vollmer explanation
DE- Connor Barwin- Solid pass rusher in his prime
DE- Michael Johnson- see above
DE- Michael bennett- '' ''
CB- Brent Grimes- One of the best corners in football before he blew out his achilles this season. Also with the fact he'll be 30 next season he could be had for a bargain basement price Anyone knows how PFF rated them?

juice33s
12-29-2012, 09:15 PM
Yup, pretty much what I have been preaching the past few days. I'm a big fan of Vollmer, Melton is a solid player, Barwin is a solid pass rusher like you said, wouldn't mind seeing Dorsey in a 43 again, and as for Grimes, great player, but achilles injuries are no joke. If he's coming really cheap, I think he could excel in Fewell's zone concepts.

But Vollmer/Melton/Cornerback would be a great FA for us.
As for the Giants FA's I think we should definitely retain Cruz and Beatty. If the price is right Stevie and Martellus. And if willing to accept bottom of the barrel contracts keep Andre brown, boothe, locklear, Hixon, and Blackburn. Osi and Phillips will probably be the biggest names not retained

juice33s
12-29-2012, 09:16 PM
Anyone knows how PFF rated them?
Don't know exact numbers but pretty sure Vollmer and Smith graded out near the top of the RT's and Brent Grimes was their #1 CB last season

TheEnigma
12-29-2012, 09:24 PM
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Andre Smith at all. Granted, my look at him hasn't been extensive since he was mauling guys at Alabama, but between his lazy pre-draft performance, his injuries with the Bengals, and getting absolutely manhandled by Brandon Graham a couple weeks ago, I'm not so sure he's suitable to be our RT of the future. Vollmer, in addition to being physically impressive, seems like a much more solid player. I wouldn't be opposed to giving him 4-5 mil per year, if he'd take it. I doubt the Pats resign him for big money, that's just not how they roll.

Again, with Grimes, not so sure how much he will be limited by his recovering achilles next year. I'm much more of a Sam Shields guy myself, but he is an RFA which is a sticky situation. As for Melton or Dorsey, wouldn't mind seeing them play our 3T position, which I think Melton is much better suited for having played in the Bears Tampa-2 system. Melton isn't a guy I see commanding an outrageous salary, either.

Wildcard play would be someone like Jermichael Finley. He isn't necessarily known as a blocker, but if we can get him in an H-back, Y-TE here, and have plays where he is reasonably high in the progression, I think we can get a lot of production for a decent price. His drops are a bit concerning though.

A. Smith used to be a LT at Bama, correct? An even more shocking (and quite stupid) possibility is some team having the ill-thought idea of trying to make him their franchise LT. Odds are that he would get a good money deal from that and would take that offer in a heartbeat. Vollmer's a great player but I don't think he's as "unknown" to the GMs of the NFL like he is to the public audience.

Grimes and Shields have both had their share of injuries but it's very possible that Shields would be more expensive just based on the fact he is 5 years younger and offers more long term stability. Melton MIGHT be a low cost option only because the 2013 draft is stocked with DTs and teams could opt to go with a low cost rookie instead. I don't see Dorsey costing more than $2mil a year at the most since he's been a huge disappointment.

Finley...no thanks. We're probably better off trying to get both of the Bennetts in a package deal than dealing with that headcase from Green Bay.

juice33s
12-29-2012, 09:24 PM
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Andre Smith at all. Granted, my look at him hasn't been extensive since he was mauling guys at Alabama, but between his lazy pre-draft performance, his injuries with the Bengals, and getting absolutely manhandled by Brandon Graham a couple weeks ago, I'm not so sure he's suitable to be our RT of the future. Vollmer, in addition to being physically impressive, seems like a much more solid player. I wouldn't be opposed to giving him 4-5 mil per year, if he'd take it. I doubt the Pats resign him for big money, that's just not how they roll.

Again, with Grimes, not so sure how much he will be limited by his recovering achilles next year. I'm much more of a Sam Shields guy myself, but he is an RFA which is a sticky situation. As for Melton or Dorsey, wouldn't mind seeing them play our 3T position, which I think Melton is much better suited for having played in the Bears Tampa-2 system. Melton isn't a guy I see commanding an outrageous salary, either.

Wildcard play would be someone like Jermichael Finley. He isn't necessarily known as a blocker, but if we can get him in an H-back, Y-TE here, and have plays where he is reasonably high in the progression, I think we can get a lot of production for a decent price. His drops are a bit concerning though.
For what ever its worth:
"Bengals running backs are averaging 5.5 yards per carry behind RT Andre Smith.
Look no further than Smith for BenJarvus Green-Ellis' three-game renaissance as a top-three fantasy back. Pro Football Focus rates Smith as the best right tackle in football at the three-quarter season mark. The No. 6 overall pick in the 2009 draft has turned his career around in a contract year. Among impending free agents, Rotoworld's Nick Mensio ranks Smith behind only Broncos LT Ryan Clady"

laylow28
12-29-2012, 09:30 PM
As for the Giants FA's I think we should definitely retain Cruz and Beatty. If the price is right Stevie and Martellus. And if willing to accept bottom of the barrel contracts keep Andre brown, boothe, locklear, Hixon, and Blackburn. Osi and Phillips will probably be the biggest names not retained I agree with KP and Osi being let go. I think we resign S-Brown,but if not he's a RFA so I believe we'll get a draft pick from who signs him.

Buddy333
12-29-2012, 10:59 PM
They can probably keep KP. With his history of injuries he should be asking to much. Wanted the Giants to draft Barwin but believe the Texans took him right before the Giants picked.

mainegiantsfan
12-29-2012, 11:15 PM
I don't know why we would even CONSIDER not signing either Brown.

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 11:22 PM
I don't know why we would even CONSIDER not signing either Brown.We'll have him back, but who knows if it's on an extension, or an RFA tag.

Same applies with Victor Cruz.

gmen0820
12-29-2012, 11:25 PM
Martellus Bennett (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/martellus-bennett/)
TE
UFA
New York
TBD


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Victor Cruz (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/victor-cruz/)
WR
RFA
New York
TBD


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Kenny Phillips (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-phillips/)
S
UFA
New York
TBD


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Ramses Barden (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/ramses-barden/)
WR
UFA
New York
TBD


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William Beatty (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/william-beatty/)
T
UFA
New York
TBD


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Rocky Bernard (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/rocky-bernard/)
DT
UFA
New York
TBD


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Chase Blackburn (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/chase-blackburn/)
LB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Kevin Boothe (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kevin-boothe/)
G
UFA
New York
TBD


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Stevie Brown (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/stevie-brown/)
S
RFA
New York
TBD


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Selvish Capers (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/selvish-capers/)
T
UFA
New York
TBD


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David Carr (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/david-carr/)
QB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Michael Coe (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/michael-coe/)
CB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Jim Cordle (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jim-cordle/)
C
UFA
New York
TBD


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Terrence Frederick (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/terrence-frederick/)
CB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Domenik Hixon (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/domenik-hixon/)
WR
UFA
New York
TBD


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Sean Locklear (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/sean-locklear/)
T
UFA
New York
TBD


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Kregg Lumpkin (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kregg-lumpkin/)
RB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Bear Pascoe (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/bear-pascoe/)
TE
RFA
New York
TBD


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Ryan Torain (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/ryan-torain/)
RB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Adrian Tracy (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/adrian-tracy/)
DE
RFA
New York
TBD


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Justin Tryon (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/justin-tryon/)
CB
UFA
New York
TBD


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Lawrence Tynes (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/lawrence-tynes/)
K
UFA
New York
TBD

drewz
12-30-2012, 11:43 AM
Dominique Rodgers Cromartie is another FA we can, but he'll probably want Brandon Carr-type money