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jomo
01-02-2013, 08:57 PM
JR (love the guy) put us on the razor's edge with our OL this year. To begin with the overall quality in NFL terms was no better than B grade for our starters. Worse however was the lack of depth and quality of that depth. We were very fortunate to find Locklear who was a capable backup for Diehl. Once Locklear went down our only backups were Brewer and Cordle (we let the embarrasingly bad Petrus go mid season). In this league I don't know how you can enter a season so thin at OL. We were lucky that the injury bug didn't hit us with that unit. The results would have been disastrous.

Harooni
01-02-2013, 09:03 PM
i agree i credit Eli with throwing the ball quickly and dodging hits. some other qb's might be dead already. i like reese but he hasnt done a great job cap wise and even this season looks like 2 million to work with and resign our own players.

Drez
01-02-2013, 09:06 PM
Well, Petrus did come on strong at the end of '11, there was no telling he was going to completely regress this season. I think they also thought that Brewer would have been able to compete more strongly for the RT spot, which meant that we could have used both Locklear and Diehl as swing guys on the line. That didn't pan out this season, obviously. We also have the two guys we drafted in the mid and late rounds, Mosely and McCants. Hopefully, they'll be able to contribute next season.

All that being said, I certainly wouldn't be upset if we spent at least one of our first 3 picks on OL.

Drez
01-02-2013, 09:11 PM
i agree i credit Eli with throwing the ball quickly and dodging hits. some other qb's might be dead already. i like reese but he hasnt done a great job cap wise and even this season looks like 2 million to work with and resign our own players.


After looking at the numbers, Patricia Traina thinks we'll be in a decent spot cap-wise next year, though she hasn't yet stated what she thinks the number will look like.

Harooni
01-02-2013, 09:15 PM
After looking at the numbers, Patricia Traina thinks we'll be in a decent spot cap-wise next year, though she hasn't yet stated what she thinks the number will look like. i think thats provided we cut some fat this offseason if reese restructures a ton it will just push things off another year. we need FA help bad this offseason.

jomo
01-02-2013, 09:19 PM
i think thats provided we cut some fat this offseason if reese restructures a ton it will just push things off another year. we need FA help bad this offseason.We do need help there and free agents are the worst value for a team, cap wise. What really helps a team is when guy like Bradshaw or Cruz jump to a big time role from deep in the draft or unddrafted FA altogether. We get those guys for a song whereas we pay free agents every nickle they are already worth and then some because we are competing for them. Real cap killers...............

Drez
01-02-2013, 09:34 PM
i think thats provided we cut some fat this offseason if reese restructures a ton it will just push things off another year. we need FA help bad this offseason.
Nope, that was her just looking over the numbers on the books for next year. Granted, that doesn't include deals for Cruz or Beatty... Or any of our other FAs.

Harooni
01-02-2013, 09:36 PM
Nope, that was her just looking over the numbers on the books for next year. Granted, that doesn't include deals for Cruz or Beatty... Or any of our other FAs.

are you talking about this off season or next ??? because this one you are dead wrong as of right now we are tight again

Drez
01-02-2013, 09:45 PM
are you talking about this off season or next ??? because this one you are dead wrong as of right now we are tight againThis is what she said:

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As I come to the end of this analysis, it looks like NYG will have a lot of cap room to work with. Can't say how much yet, tho.

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Harooni
01-02-2013, 09:49 PM
This is what she said:

Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina (https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina)
As I come to the end of this analysis, it looks like NYG will have a lot of cap room to work with. Can't say how much yet, tho.

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im not sure whats she is reffering to because we have huge cap numbers for several players that restructured the years before and 21 of our own Free agents to resign or replace.

Drez
01-02-2013, 09:55 PM
im not sure whats she is reffering to because we have huge cap numbers for several players that restructured the years before and 21 of our own Free agents to resign or replace.Well, of course the cap figure doesn't take into account resigning any of our FAs. However, I think most of the big earners on defense have their numbers go down this year over last, i.e. Webster is set to get $1m or $2m less this upcoming season... I'll tend to trust her though, as she has access to the actual numbers from the NFL offices or NFLPA, where we only get what's been released.

fourth&forever
01-02-2013, 10:02 PM
Locklear was a lucky find.

dave56dj
01-02-2013, 10:03 PM
Its odd to say he left us razor thin and then say he got lucky with locklear - why lucky? How bout he scouted well and knew he had a nice potential backup or swing who proved to be starter quality. Were we thin and perhaps less talented in the trench this year - yes, but every team EVERY TEAM has their weakness. Tough rolling with it in the trench and eli saves a ton of sacks with quick reads but yeah we were lacking a bit for sure. Lets see how he cleans it up.

Who to move and who to stick with:

Diehl - Love the guys durablility and loyalty but we all know he's a swinging gate now.
Baas - Not great but ok - hasn't really lives up to contract - does he go? doubtful - cordle hasn't shown much.
Boothe - FA, nice find - good player not special at all.
Snee - still a nice guard but seems to be declining.
Beatty - FA and i think he's a good one - would like him back.

Mosley off ir may get a chance - Brewer was awful in preseason but who knows if he has developed more, mccants is a huge project as is adams - as is capers. maybe time to go early on a guard or center or RT.

Thoughts?

jomo
01-02-2013, 10:45 PM
Locklear was a lucky find............exactly to my point and we were still perilously thin at OL. ...........or even if you call it good scouting and he was "NFL Experienced" we entered the season with ONE experience backup in Locklear and he was a guy who was cast aside by his previous team. If that isn't razor thin I don't know what it.

TCHOF
01-02-2013, 11:00 PM
I agree - - - after Locklear, the backup OL this year were garbage. Luckily, we didn't need to rely on them.

Drez
01-02-2013, 11:08 PM
...........exactly to my point and we were still perilously thin at OL. ...........or even if you call it good scouting and he was "NFL Experienced" we entered the season with ONE experience backup in Locklear and he was a guy who was cast aside by his previous team. If that isn't razor thin I don't know what it.Like I mentioned earlier, I'm sure JR thought that Petrus was going to build on the 2011 season, not completely regress and crap the bed like he did. So, that would have given us Brewer as a back-up tackle, Locklear/Diehl as swing T/G, and Petrus and Cordle as swing G/C. Plus the rookies. Considering the cap space we had to work with this past offseason, I don't know if there was much else he could have done, especially considering they were banking on Brewer and Petrus stepping up this season.

Rusty192
01-02-2013, 11:11 PM
im not sure whats she is reffering to because we have huge cap numbers for several players that restructured the years before and 21 of our own Free agents to resign or replace.Phillip died? That is so sad, what happened?

rEaS
01-02-2013, 11:14 PM
i find it amusing you guys are hammering JR for being thin at the OL spot but when he did find a good backup that was 'luck'.. you guys are never happy.. if we would have offloaded all our cap space and money on 2 or 3 more replacements and never used them.. then this thread would have been about how JR sucks because he wasted all the organization's money on a bunch of OL that weren't needed..

we had a small amount of OL.. we didn't need them.. this provided cap space and money for other positions.. i cant see this as any other thing as a WIN for JR.. luck.. prayer.. devine intervention.. whatever you want.. but JR made it happened and it work.. give the man his due..

jomo
01-02-2013, 11:34 PM
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm sure JR thought that Petrus was going to build on the 2011 season, not completely regress and crap the bed like he did. So, that would have given us Brewer as a back-up tackle, Locklear/Diehl as swing T/G, and Petrus and Cordle as swing G/C. Plus the rookies. Considering the cap space we had to work with this past offseason, I don't know if there was much else he could have done, especially considering they were banking on Brewer and Petrus stepping up this season.Well if that was the calculation it was a bad one. Petrus never played much so to expect him to play at a starting NFL level was a stretch. Brewer, Cordle the same thing. In the NFL, if you can't run you can't pass. We got by on Eli making quick decisions and getting it off quickly. Play action became less effective and that was because Beatty is average at best, same for Boothe and Baas. Snee is above average and our right tackles are below average. Backups are terrible and that is no place for a GM to leave his team going into a season. Rmember, we did what we did with minimal injuries on the OL by NFL standards. That is why I say we got lucky.

TCHOF
01-03-2013, 07:16 AM
i find it amusing you guys are hammering JR for being thin at the OL spot but when he did find a good backup that was 'luck'.. you guys are never happy.. if we would have offloaded all our cap space and money on 2 or 3 more replacements and never used them.. then this thread would have been about how JR sucks because he wasted all the organization's money on a bunch of OL that weren't needed..

we had a small amount of OL.. we didn't need them.. this provided cap space and money for other positions.. i cant see this as any other thing as a WIN for JR.. luck.. prayer.. devine intervention.. whatever you want.. but JR made it happened and it work.. give the man his due..

JR made it happen? Made what happen? He made it so we didn't have a lot of injuries on the OL? This makes little sense.

rEaS
01-03-2013, 12:20 PM
no.. he calculated how many OL we would need and in the end he was right.. is that too hard to comprehend?