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GIANTS740ilbmw
01-05-2013, 06:38 PM
12/16/2012 - 2012 FBS ALL-INDEPENDENT FIRST TEAM: DL Ezekiel Ansah (Sr.), BYU, has been selected First Team All-Independent for the 2012 college football season by members of a nationwide media panel, which includes equal representation from each of the independent institutions' coverage markets. The senior from Ghana has emerged as a top defender on BYU's third-ranked defense, allowing 266.3 yards per game. Ansah has 57 tackles and is second on the team with 13.0 tackles for loss. He adds 4.5 sacks, eight pass breakups and six quarterback hurries.

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Cloud57
01-05-2013, 06:41 PM
we usually never take the person selected in the mock draft.

penguinfarmer
01-05-2013, 06:43 PM
Which mock draft? Many had us taking JPP, and sure enough, he was selected. Also, remember some matches with KP and Nicks.

dave56dj
01-05-2013, 06:44 PM
Ansah is a very interesting prospect - very raw skill - fast and athletic - remind you of someone. Same words used for JPP but JPP was even more freakish. Still this is a very Giants like prospect. You can never have enough pass rushers - would like him to put on some weight. Be interesting to see how he does at combine.

By the way my draft post got moved yours is probably next. Im not exactly sure why as it seems to be giants related. Waiting for an explanation.

penguinfarmer
01-05-2013, 06:51 PM
Eh, I knew that was going to come out. You can paint a similar scenario for multiple prospects which can make a comparison to JPP very misleading. Other than the whole "raw athleticism with little experience" descriptor, they are two very different players in their own ways.

Mlerman17
01-05-2013, 06:52 PM
He seems to be a raw/underdeveloped pass rusher. We need someone who can get pressure not get stonewalled most of the time and play good run d. Tuck can do that already.

GoDeep80
01-05-2013, 07:22 PM
Eh, I knew that was going to come out. You can paint a similar scenario for multiple prospects which can make a comparison to JPP very misleading. Other than the whole "raw athleticism with little experience" descriptor, they are two very different players in their own ways.I know what your saying and I get tired of the comparisons too but I gotta be honest When I watch tape of Ansah I can't see a difference between his tape and JPP's. They're practically clones.

gumby74
01-05-2013, 07:29 PM
we usually never take the person selected in the mock draft. Actually the year ew drafted KP and Nicks, every other mock out there had us taking them

dave56dj
01-05-2013, 07:32 PM
Penguin as i said similar words but that doesnt mean he is the same at all. Comparisons just sometimes give you an idea of the type of player he could be. But to compare him to a guy progressing like jpp is definitely not always fair.

That said if you've seen ziggy what are your thoughts?

gmen0820
01-05-2013, 07:41 PM
Actually the year ew drafted KP and Nicks, every other mock out there had us taking themNot really, it was nearly unanimous that we were going Dan Connor when we took KP.

TCHOF
01-05-2013, 07:43 PM
Not really, it was nearly unanimous that we were going Dan Connor when we took KP.

I remember it being about 50/50.

Then the Giants passed on Connor in the first AND second rounds. Shows what the mock drafters know.

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-05-2013, 10:08 PM
12/16/2012 - 2012 FBS ALL-INDEPENDENT FIRST TEAM: DL Ezekiel Ansah (Sr.), BYU, has been selected First Team All-Independent for the 2012 college football season by members of a nationwide media panel, which includes equal representation from each of the independent institutions' coverage markets. The senior from Ghana has emerged as a top defender on BYU's third-ranked defense, allowing 266.3 yards per game. Ansah has 57 tackles and is second on the team with 13.0 tackles for loss. He adds 4.5 sacks, eight pass breakups and six quarterback hurries.

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I would love to see us grab david amerson if he is still there in the second

Redeyejedi
01-05-2013, 10:37 PM
I remember it being about 50/50.

Then the Giants passed on Connor in the first AND second rounds. Shows what the mock drafters know.1 thing that we wont know is how these guys interview and the extent of the medicals till after the draft. As hard as i try i still cant come up with all the information

penguinfarmer
01-06-2013, 06:52 AM
I know what your saying and I get tired of the comparisons too but I gotta be honest When I watch tape of Ansah I can't see a difference between his tape and JPP's. They're practically clones.

Seriously? Ansah didn't have the quickness, burst or chase down speed of JPP at USF. Pierre Paul looked incredibly frenetic on the field [both good and bad]. I don't know how that translates to them being clones.

And that's hardly a shot at Ansah nor am I saying he's a bad pick. He is absolutely bullish in strength. He looks like he can be a very good 6T LE in the NFL. But even if he inherits more pass rushing moves, I don't think he'll be an elite rusher off the edge.

Redeyejedi
01-06-2013, 08:38 AM
Seriously? Ansah didn't have the quickness, burst or chase down speed of JPP at USF. Pierre Paul looked incredibly frenetic on the field [both good and bad]. I don't know how that translates to them being clones.

And that's hardly a shot at Ansah nor am I saying he's a bad pick. He is absolutely bullish in strength. He looks like he can be a very good 6T LE in the NFL. But even if he inherits more pass rushing moves, I don't think he'll be an elite rusher off the edge. JPP isnt an elite off the edge rusher either , He has gotten to big. Last year when JPP had 16.5 sacks almost all of them were effort sacks where QB's just held the ball to long.JPP also finished his pressures at an incredible rate. JPP will need to improve his interior pass rushing ability where he will have a quickness advantage against guards if he hopes to ever come close to those sack numbers.
Ansah is a lot like Quinton Coples in style of player. In fact Ansah is primarily a 5 tech not the 3-4 OLB that most just assume he is on BYU. I could see a 3-4 team drafting Ansah. What Ansah would bring to the Giants is a fantastic run defender. Pairing up with JPP would go a long way in shutting down the run games on the edges. Ansahs non stop motor and length would also help in defending the screen and short passing attacks. Ansah took a lot of snaps inside this season. When the Giants defense was at its best Justin Tuck was a disruptive force as a pass rusher at Tackle. Ansah would possibly give that back to the giants.
I do agree Ansah isnt an elite edge rushing type and I think that would still be a need. Giants could get creative with that. They could find an elite blitzing LB or an undersized situational end.

penguinfarmer
01-06-2013, 09:08 AM
Well that's not in contention with anything I said. It's pretty much on par with what I feel his strengths as a better run defender than rusher. If he becomes a consistent double digit sack player in the NFL, I will be surprised. His strength is in the run game with 13 TFLs. That in itself merits it's own respective evaluation. Saying his tape is a clone of JPP is not only unfair, but incredibly erroneous.

Redeyejedi
01-06-2013, 10:11 AM
Well that's not in contention with anything I said. It's pretty much on par with what I feel his strengths as a better run defender than rusher. If he becomes a consistent double digit sack player in the NFL, I will be surprised. His strength is in the run game with 13 TFLs. That in itself merits it's own respective evaluation. Saying his tape is a clone of JPP is not only unfair, but incredibly erroneous.
He has only played Football for 2 years so he could stilll become a better pass rusher.Your right he isnt going to be bending the corner and sacking the QB but JPP doesnt do that either. Ansah gets pressure on the QB the same way JPP does now.
I think Ansah could become a great threat as a rusher on the interior. Justin Tuck was 2nd in the NFL in pressures from 2008-2010 and he wasnt an edge rusher either so u dont necessarily have to be that kind of guy to get to the QB.

nycsportzfan
01-06-2013, 10:17 AM
Actually the year ew drafted KP and Nicks, every other mock out there had us taking them he=ll no! There were Brian Robiske claims out there, Darius Heyward Bey, Percy Harvin...etc If u don't remember , the boards were mad worried about us taking Bey, becuause there were rumours out there we liked em alot.. Theres always a handful of guys linked to teams when there drafting down that far in the 1st, as u don't know whos gonna be there to begin with, so u have to have a handful of scenarios to play throughout ur head...

nycsportzfan
01-06-2013, 10:20 AM
He has only played Football for 2 years so he could stilll become a better pass rusher.Your right he isnt going to be bending the corner and sacking the QB but JPP doesnt do that either. Ansah gets pressure on the QB the same way JPP does now.
I think Ansah could become a great threat as a rusher on the interior. Justin Tuck was 2nd in the NFL in pressures from 2008-2010 and he wasnt an edge rusher either so u dont necessarily have to be that kind of guy to get to the QB. Do these people remember JPP only had 6sacks in his yr at S FLORIDA??lol Sure, it was enough to see the potential, and he added in other things to fill out his stat line ala EZ ANSAH, but as far as sacks, neither really stood out there yr before entering the draft..

Ansah has alot of similarities to JPP coming out, and thats why so many people are saying that, becuase its true..

slipknottin
01-06-2013, 10:27 AM
Ansah is much quicker to me than jpp is. But ansah does not have the balance and the bend that Jpp has.

nycsportzfan
01-06-2013, 10:28 AM
Well that's not in contention with anything I said. It's pretty much on par with what I feel his strengths as a better run defender than rusher. If he becomes a consistent double digit sack player in the NFL, I will be surprised. His strength is in the run game with 13 TFLs. That in itself merits it's own respective evaluation. Saying his tape is a clone of JPP is not only unfair, but incredibly erroneous.


Heres the stats from JPPS season at SFLA and EZ ANSAHS at BYU this past season

JPP= 45tackles, 6.5sacks, 16.5TFL, 1INT, 2FF...

Ansahs= 62tackles, 4.5sacks, 13TFL, 1INT, Also lead the team with 8QB Hurries..

They both are dynamic players, and Ansah has Kyle Van Noy on his team, who also hogs some of the stats...

nycsportzfan
01-06-2013, 10:29 AM
Ansah is much quicker to me than jpp is. But ansah does not have the balance and the bend that Jpp has. No one said there twins, but there similar.. Similar size, similar rawness with bigtime potential, and similar take over game potential, and length..etc Theres similarties is all...

penguinfarmer
01-06-2013, 11:05 AM
The term used was "clone". And again, those are situational similarities with their history in football, raw athleticism, etc. etc.. In terms of how they approach the same position is different. JPP is a leverage artist dipping into his man and using his length to continuously cut the angle between him and the ball. Ansah is more of a rip, chop and rush player who uses his incredible power and length to drive through. If I had to pick an NFL comparison, I think of more 34 ends as a point of reference before coming to JPP. Just different ways to skin the cat. And I never said he was a less productive or efficient player than JPP, but their tapes don't look similar at all as previously alluded to.