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gabriel_1
01-05-2013, 10:37 PM
I've seen in some websites and mock drafts about some possibilities of some players leaving. Players like Diehl and Osi I believe will go to FA this year. In some mock drafts I've seen even us drafting Eric Reid in case of Rolle leaving, because of his paycheck. Anyways I would just like to know who do you guys think who'll be gone and who'll be coming to out team.

My important possible Releases:

1. Osi
2. Diehl
3. Bradshaw
4. Tuck
5. Rolle
6. Philips
7. Webster

Possible Signings:

1. Vollmer
2. Smith (Jags)
3. Idonije
4. Grimmes
5 Durant

Send your thoughts!

Cloud57
01-05-2013, 10:39 PM
Players who still have contracts will stay, such as Webster and Tuck, no matter how much they suck.

gabriel_1
01-05-2013, 10:41 PM
Players who still have contracts will stay, such as Webster and Tuck, no matter how much they suck.

I think Webster will be asked to restructure his contract and as long as this happens he'll stay otherwise the Giants won't pay him this much to be one of the worst corner in the NFL.

Flip Empty
01-05-2013, 10:43 PM
If they restructure him they'll still be paying him the same amount. A restructure is not a pay cut - it's pretty much the opposite.

miked1958
01-05-2013, 10:49 PM
Guys don't take less to stay. They either cut him loose or let him play under current contract. We have a Cap Mess by restructuring to many contracts cause they catch up with you

gabriel_1
01-05-2013, 10:52 PM
Yes but Corey has been decent for us in past years, so restructuring it gives him another chance to prove he can still perform.

Sovereign
01-05-2013, 11:21 PM
Lol Webster is making 9 million. We're so over the cap as it is. He's a guaranteed cut.

bearbryant
01-05-2013, 11:44 PM
The poor FA acquisitions ( Canty, Rolle, Baas) put us in a very bad $$$ position. Regardless of what happens the team has less of a chance to improve positions with vets. JR & Co. will need to hit every Draftee out of the ball park and even if he does, tommy will not play rookies, so... what then? This doesn't bode well for next season. Stay tuned for more info!

drewz
01-06-2013, 12:49 AM
Lol Webster is making 9 million. We're so over the cap as it is. He's a guaranteed cut.

Reese already said Tuck and Webster are playing for us next year

Giantsfan241
01-06-2013, 01:03 AM
phillps must stay

Cloud57
01-06-2013, 01:33 AM
Reese already said Tuck and Webster are playing for us next yeargonna be the 32nd ranked defense next year.

Toadofsteel
01-06-2013, 02:09 AM
I've seen in some websites and mock drafts about some possibilities of some players leaving. Players like Diehl and Osi I believe will go to FA this year. In some mock drafts I've seen even us drafting Eric Reid in case of Rolle leaving, because of his paycheck. Anyways I would just like to know who do you guys think who'll be gone and who'll be coming to out team.

My important possible Releases:

1. Osi
2. Diehl
3. Bradshaw
4. Tuck
5. Rolle
6. Philips
7. Webster

Possible Signings:

1. Vollmer
2. Smith (Jags)
3. Idonije
4. Grimmes
5 Durant

Send your thoughts!

In my ideal world, the following would be gone:
Tuck
Osi
Diehl
Webster
Baas
Boothe

Only guy I'd think about signing through FA would be Michael Bennett if we can get him. Marty has already said he'd like to try and convince him to come to our team.

Spend significant amount of the draft on the O-line.

Sovereign
01-06-2013, 05:09 AM
Reese already said Tuck and Webster are playing for us next year

He said he expects Webster to come back to form. Did not specifically say he's back for us.

penguinfarmer
01-06-2013, 07:20 AM
Signing Grimes will cost more than keeping Webster, even after a major injury. And Webster is not getting paid 9million. He gets paid his base. The cap hit just includes the signing bonuses he was paid earlier in the restructure. People need to let it go as if he's getting paid a probowl corner's salary. He's getting paid the median for a starter in the current market. That high number is due to some sloppy restructuring on behalf of the FO, not Webster.

NorwoodBlue
01-06-2013, 12:28 PM
The Giants value cornerbacks, even bad ones, too much for them to let Webster go. And he's not a free agent, and they're not cutting him. There was obviously something going on with him this year, you don't go from a virtual shutdown corner to what he was this year for no reason. I don't think it would be a real bad bet to think that Webster comes back looking a whole lot better than he did this year. If Webster regains his form, and Prince stays healthy you've got a pretty good pair of corners right there.

I think Kenny Phillips is in far more jeopardy of going elsewhere. First off he's a FA, so he can leave of his own accord; second, with his injury situation the Giants may not be willing to spend big money on him while some other teams might take a chance; and third, I think there's going to have to be a choice made between Brown and Phillips, since they're going to have to pay Brown more next year too. I see Phillips as the guy that might leave because of Brown's INT numbers this year, and Brown will still probably be the lower priced of the two. I really can't see them signing both of them with their salary cap situation. Also, Rolle is back, Will Hill is probably the most athletic safety we've got and he looks ready for prime time, and if they sign Brown, I just don't see Phillips being back.

Also, Tuck stays and collects the cash for the final year of his contract, no question. Reese won't cut him, and he doesn't appear to be retiring.

Diehl is a mystery. I really thought he'd announce his retirement by now. If he forces the issue and comes back, then somebody has to make a decision, and I think that decision is that Diehl gets cut. Either way, I dont see him being on the opening day roster.

Bennett is a guy I'm sure they'd like to keep, and he said he's willing to work out a favorable contract to stay, so I'm hoping he's a Giant for the next four or five years.

Osi, I dont see coming back, unless the market falls flat for him. That could happen since his value as a full-time DE is zero. I'm not sure how many teams are willing to pay for a pass rushing specialist who didn't get that many sacks this year. If he comes back it won't be a very big salary, and I hope they alternate him with a run stopping DE, someone in the Curtis McGriff mold.

Boothe comes back, I'm pretty sure of that one, and Beatty is a no brainer.

Barden and HIxon are very low priorities. I like Barden and I'd almost like to see him go somewhere that he would have a real chance of playing. I think that even if the Giants try to keep him, getting real playing time is going to be a big part of his decision. I see Barden looking for the playing time, and leaving.

Cruz is another no brainer; but he needs to be realistic in his expectations. The Giants simply can't afford to break the bank on one player. They have another batch of big time free agents next year.

Baas hasn't been worth his contract in my book; but the coaches like him, so I think he stays and plays. The only thing that might hurt him is the salary cap situation. If they slide Boothe to center (which hasn't worked all that well in the past) they might consider cutting Baas to get rid of his contract; but I dont think that's very realistic.


Who's coming: I don't see any marquee free agents being signed, it just hasn't worked out all that well in the past. I hope we see at least one top tier OL and DL early in the draft. I'd love to see a big run stopping DE and a massive run blocking RT drafted. We need to get back to the nasty, immovable DL, and the straight ahead, pancake blocking RT. Tuck might be better served by sliding down to DT. I think they need a good MLB early on too.
That's a lot to ask for from where we're drafting, and BPA isn't going to plug the holes in this team. Reese might have to pass on a highly ranked skill guy to take an almost as highly ranked beast lineman. But, I think that's what's needed this year. We need two or three nasty SOB's to come in and shake these units up upfront. I don't want dirty players; but I want some guys who don't take no for an answer and play at full steam all the time. We need to get some attitude back on both sides of the ball.

Tmurda1984
01-06-2013, 12:46 PM
Cruz's situation is going to end up like Steve Smith's. I do not think the Giants will have enough space to give him a contract, and Reese believes that Randle, Barden, and Jernigan can develop for a cheap price. If Cruz gets the contract, do no expect Nicks to be a giant for long and do not expect to sign any big time free agents. Webster is not going to be cut and his contract is to big to restructure because it will keep us from locking up our young guys in the future. Osi and Benard will be gone. Beatty will get a solid contract and Boothe may be gone, I think Boothe will test the market.

Reese needs to lock up Cruz long term and let his free agent busts play out there contracts until its a reasonable price to cut them. For a team that builds though the draft, its kind of silly that we are this tight against the cap, that shows that the GM does not know a thing about managing the cap. Its not like we make big free agent splashes, we paid to much for average guys in free agency and did to much restructuring that hurt us in the long run.

giantsforce
01-06-2013, 01:14 PM
Reese already said Tuck and Webster are playing for us next yearYes, and those of you who expect different results next year, get ready for another disappointment.

JesseJames
01-06-2013, 01:48 PM
looks like the team will shopping at WalMart this year for help due to the salary cap mess..

Jppallday
01-06-2013, 02:40 PM
Cruz's situation is going to end up like Steve Smith's. I do not think the Giants will have enough space to give him a contract, and Reese believes that Randle, Barden, and Jernigan can develop for a cheap price. If Cruz gets the contract, do no expect Nicks to be a giant for long and do not expect to sign any big time free agents. Webster is not going to be cut and his contract is to big to restructure because it will keep us from locking up our young guys in the future. Osi and Benard will be gone. Beatty will get a solid contract and Boothe may be gone, I think Boothe will test the market.

Reese needs to lock up Cruz long term and let his free agent busts play out there contracts until its a reasonable price to cut them. For a team that builds though the draft, its kind of silly that we are this tight against the cap, that shows that the GM does not know a thing about managing the cap. Its not like we make big free agent splashes, we paid to much for average guys in free agency and did to much restructuring that hurt us in the long run.

You're quite the negative nancy aren't ya. I think they will be able to sign Nicks and Cruz to deals. And Reese is a very good GM so stop ripping on him and let's see what he does... He did set us up to win 2 world championships

ELI_Iz_God
01-06-2013, 05:41 PM
I've seen in some websites and mock drafts about some possibilities of some players leaving. Players like Diehl and Osi I believe will go to FA this year. In some mock drafts I've seen even us drafting Eric Reid in case of Rolle leaving, because of his paycheck. Anyways I would just like to know who do you guys think who'll be gone and who'll be coming to out team.

My important possible Releases:

1. Osi
2. Diehl
3. Bradshaw
4. Tuck
5. Rolle
6. Philips
7. Webster

Possible Signings:

1. Vollmer
2. Smith (Jags)
3. Idonije
4. Grimmes
5 Durant

Send your thoughts!

Wouldn't mind seeing us pickup Jared Cook. This offense would get interesting if we introduced some 2 TE sets with him and Bennett.

ELI_Iz_God
01-06-2013, 05:54 PM
Reese already said Tuck and Webster are playing for us next year

So our Defense will have no fire in it with lifeless leadership for one more year...Great!

dave56dj
01-06-2013, 05:57 PM
The poor fa's who helped us win superbowl 2011 - amazing.

You have to overpay if you want the top guys on the market and rolle was that - and canty not far behind. Remember cc brown was there the year before. Are they overpaid - yes - were theyt poor signings not really.

Martyr
01-06-2013, 06:28 PM
The giants need to bring in some hungry guys. Id sign a bunch of low cost players to compeat for jobs

jomo
01-06-2013, 06:29 PM
The poor fa's who helped us win superbowl 2011 - amazing.

You have to overpay if you want the top guys on the market and rolle was that - and canty not far behind. Remember cc brown was there the year before. Are they overpaid - yes - were theyt poor signings not really.Canty has been hurt as much as he's been healthy and our play vs. the run has been pretty sorry. Please don't torture me with thoughts of CC BRown lol. Still, we can do better than CC with much less money. Look at Stevie Brown. There is no doubt you over pay in free agency for a quality guy. The question is does that limit your ability to field a complete team with what's left under the cap? We are much better off with RB's like Brown and safeties like Stevie Brown than overpaying in free agency.

How did Asanwhaaaah and Rogers Cromartie work out for Philly?
Lotta money for little return on the field.

dave56dj
01-06-2013, 06:33 PM
look jomo i am not advocating big time spending like amsmoughah and heynsworth - i am saying those were huge needs and reese filled them and they worked very well for 11.

Now you really cant point out stevie brown - he is an exception not a rule. Those guys dont just turn up year to year although reese has an amazing knack for finding them.

miked1958
01-06-2013, 07:54 PM
I remember thinking Stevie may not survive the final cut. Some people left him off their final 53

jomo
01-06-2013, 09:05 PM
look jomo i am not advocating big time spending like amsmoughah and heynsworth - i am saying those were huge needs and reese filled them and they worked very well for 11.

Now you really cant point out stevie brown - he is an exception not a rule. Those guys dont just turn up year to year although reese has an amazing knack for finding them.What I am saying is that value shopping is the way to win. I don't knock the occasionaly splurge like Rolle but at the end of the day, if that is the primary route we choose, we will come up short on money to build a Championship franchise.

We win with cheap players found deep in the draft (Bradshaw) or undrafted free agents (Cruz, Hixon etc). No one wins with a primary strategy to sign high priced elite free agents.

PS I don't think Stevie Brown is an exception. How about our LT Sean Locklear? We got him for a song. We might have paid $5M for a LT of comparable talent in free agency. We got him on the cheap.

I just think that you win championships by playing the value game and wrap that around a few key players; QB, pass rushers, LT, WR

TCHOF
01-06-2013, 09:36 PM
In my ideal world, the following would be gone:
Tuck
Osi
Diehl
Webster
Baas
Boothe

Only guy I'd think about signing through FA would be Michael Bennett if we can get him. Marty has already said he'd like to try and convince him to come to our team.

Spend significant amount of the draft on the O-line.

Why do you want Boothe gone? His versatility is very valuable.