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NYG4lifeNYK
01-06-2013, 02:54 PM
Canty missing had a lot to do with it and the fact that Rocky had to play a starters role rather than a reserve role but it still shouldn't have been as bad as it was. Even when Canty came back it wasn't great.

Joseph, Canty & JPP should have been punishing runners. Maybe Tuck had a lot to do with it.


Our freaking Lbers suck with Kiwi in there.... they can never cover any ground or clog the field. There's always HUGE gaps. It seems we rarely fly to the ball for some reason. Our defense can never fill outside..... it drives me nuts.

I don't understand how hard it is to contain outside runs so they can't get simple 6-8+ yard gains every time they bounce it outside. We over pursue far too often especially when they run right.

GameTime
01-06-2013, 02:55 PM
wait till next year and see who is on the team......there will be changes and so things will be different....

Cloud57
01-06-2013, 03:11 PM
Big, old, and slow guys can't stop anyone

brad
01-06-2013, 03:25 PM
Injuries to the DTs didn't help... but I believe a bigger part of the problem is the LBs, especially MLB. They are supposed to be filling the gaps and we didn't see a whole lot of that this year. The OLBs and MLB should be helping to contain the edges on outside runs, especially if you have aggressive DEs, and that clearly didn't happen.

joemorrisforprez
01-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Some issues:

Osi was playing to protect his body for free agency. He'll get a nice deal somewhere else, and return to Pro Bowl form. He wasn't going to become another T2.

Justin Tuck had a bad year. I have no clue why....but next year he'll be playing for a new contract, too.

Marvin Austin is a bust......he was drafted to be an impact defender, and never stepped up. I hope he's cut next year if he doesn't take a huge step up.

Ojomo and Tracy were never used....that's on Fewell.

Fewell was passive and unoriginal with his schemes.

Webster had a down year.

Boley has a quiet year.

Blackburn doesn't have a top-end gear.

KP was injured.

Reese once again went dumpster diving for linebackers......Rivers only highlight plays were him getting wiped out on blocks. This is another dude that shouldn't be around next year.

dave56dj
01-06-2013, 03:55 PM
Can someone also realize that setting an egde verse one of the most dynamic athletes the nfl has ever seen isn't easy. Not to mention wash averaged 165 a game - they ran against EVERYONE. Now that doesnt mean they couldn't have been better in other games for sure.

Ojomo and tracy are not run stuffers - or at least they made notoriety with pass rushing in offseason - tracy with speed rush - ojomo looked more all around so putting balme on fewell there is silly.

Austin is a guy who saw the field for the first time in TWO years - he will get another season to prove his worth.

Not having canty healthy was a major factor - the giants played with joseph and a rotational vet (who saw to many snaps - bernard) and a 7th rounder who showed potential but was rushed into duty. The lb's are certainly more finesse then thumpers (except for chase who is smart but lacks sideline to sideline speed) Kiwi is pretty good against the run at LB but is out of place as we all know. An upgrade at LB and DT would help in 13.

joemorrisforprez
01-06-2013, 03:59 PM
Can someone also realize that setting an egde verse one of the most dynamic athletes the nfl has ever seen isn't easy. Not to mention wash averaged 165 a game - they ran against EVERYONE. Now that doesnt mean they couldn't have been better in other games for sure.


And everyone ran against the Giants....it was pathetic.

If Reese deemphasizes the linebacker position again, the run defense will utterly suck again next year..

jomo
01-06-2013, 04:07 PM
And everyone ran against the Giants....it was pathetic.

If Reese deemphasizes the linebacker position again, the run defense will utterly suck again next year..He really doesn't place much value on linebackers, does he?

joemorrisforprez
01-06-2013, 04:10 PM
He really doesn't place much value on linebackers, does he?

Chase Blackburn is our best linebacker.....and I really like Chase, but he shouldn't be the best linebacker on the team, especially given the Giants history.

hungrrrry
01-06-2013, 04:13 PM
Some issues:

Osi was playing to protect his body for free agency. He'll get a nice deal somewhere else, and return to Pro Bowl form. He wasn't going to become another T2.

Justin Tuck had a bad year. I have no clue why....but next year he'll be playing for a new contract, too.

Marvin Austin is a bust......he was drafted to be an impact defender, and never stepped up. I hope he's cut next year if he doesn't take a huge step up.

Ojomo and Tracy were never used....that's on Fewell.

Fewell was passive and unoriginal with his schemes.

Webster had a down year.

Boley has a quiet year.

Blackburn doesn't have a top-end gear.

KP was injured.

Reese once again went dumpster diving for linebackers......Rivers only highlight plays were him getting wiped out on blocks. This is another dude that shouldn't be around next year.i agree 100% with everything here

Diamondring
01-06-2013, 04:37 PM
Well if we can't fix the run, then make another part of our team stronger. Boy if I was GM...

Cloud57
01-06-2013, 05:27 PM
Wilson can run over 200yrds on this defense lol

Sovereign
01-06-2013, 05:43 PM
Our terrible DT rotation. Canty and Bernard are old and injured. They are good when healthy but Coughlin used them far too often. After Kuhn had two solid starts he was benched immediately after Bernard's FIRST game. Kuhn played 2 snaps that game. Ridiculous. Marvin Austin also was rarely used. Fewell also used JPP or Tuck at DT which made things easier for the opponent's running game.

And the fact than most of our LBs suck doesn't help.

dave56dj
01-06-2013, 05:51 PM
Coughlin didnt even have canty till after he came off pup = didnt overuse him at all. Kuhn was fed a great deal early and was so so. Bernard was the vet who saw to many snaps due to the inuries - started off nicely and wore down. Tuck and jpp mainly stayed inside on passing downs - and tuck was actually better there then on the outside where he really struggles this year.

7 weeks without canty didnt help - no thumper LB's doesnt help either. Chase is the thumper type but does not have sideline to sideline speed. Boley is more of a finesse backer and tackles have to keep him clean - herzlich was caught in the wash or got caught in over pursuin far too often - paysinger wasnt a big factor and kiwi was at end a lot of the year. They certainly had more capable bodies at back but no real playmakers and the tackles (other then josheph) didnt get the backers clean.

mike kennedy
01-06-2013, 07:19 PM
Canty missing had a lot to do with it and the fact that Rocky had to play a starters role rather than a reserve role but it still shouldn't have been as bad as it was. Even when Canty came back it wasn't great.

Joseph, Canty & JPP should have been punishing runners. Maybe Tuck had a lot to do with it.


Our freaking Lbers suck with Kiwi in there.... they can never cover any ground or clog the field. There's always HUGE gaps. It seems we rarely fly to the ball for some reason. Our defense can never fill outside..... it drives me nuts.

I don't understand how hard it is to contain outside runs so they can't get simple 6-8+ yard gains every time they bounce it outside. We over pursue far too often especially when they run right.

Overhaul the line and play calling.

dave56dj
01-06-2013, 07:22 PM
Line does not need a complete overhaul - jpp and joseph aren't going anywhere. Most likely kiwi slips into end as he did much of the year and tuck probably stays too. Canty being healthy would be a blessing. Be nice to infuse some young talent as well, perhaps ojom/ tracy/ austin/ kuhn and maybe a draftee as well.

rar57
01-06-2013, 07:58 PM
You either have to get better dt, so lb can make tackles, or better coverage guys that allows for a safety at the line of scrimmage. Dt have to be able to push upfield to stop rb. Gmen defensive line very seldom surged forward, thus lb's had to take on ol and fb, poorer angles for tackling. It is a great year for defensive linemen in the draft, might be a good year to stock up. Another good cover corner would do wonders for this defense, slowing opponent qb enough to allow rush to get there.

WiIdcat
01-06-2013, 08:24 PM
The Giants have the worst linebackers in the NFL. That could be the problem lol

Guarantee you put Willis and Bowman out there and there would be a huge improvement in the run defense.

BlueMetal 40
01-06-2013, 08:47 PM
What about the Hendricks kid that was playing DT in the pre season? Did any team pick him up? I think he didnt make our practice squad, but I cant recall why? I remember him playing fairly well and posters were excited about him. Anyone know where he is?