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Cags
01-08-2013, 05:07 PM
Even though I expect JPP to rebound and be a beast again next year we will still lack the pass rush that won us two championships. It's unlikely that any Defensive lineman (specifically DE) will have an immediate impact early in the season next year but that doesn't mean we shouldnt draft one. If you ask me the biggest need for this team defense and the biggest need for the defense is another pass rushing DE. That's why I'm leaning toward taking the kid from BYU. Even though the kid is raw and unlikely to have a huge impact his rookie year, if he fulfills his potential he and JPP can be a force for several years to come. We have lost three major DEs in the last five years. Strahan retired, Osi is gone and Tuck seems to be spent. We have only added one in return (JPP)

I've said in a different post that I don't think we need to draft an OL in the first round and I stick by that. We need defense, we need corners, another pass rusher and linebackers. I'm sure some of these needs will be filled in FA.

Carter.525
01-08-2013, 05:49 PM
I hope Reese goes D for 2/3 1st picks.. need some O-line help in there too..

Cags
01-10-2013, 04:11 PM
I still think its possible to piece meal the OL together assuming we resign Beatty and Booth. There are plenty of guys like Locklear, affordable veterans , that the Giants can look at in FA. I don't think they absolutely have to pick up an OL early on

slipknottin
01-10-2013, 04:33 PM
I think they could theoretically take defense every pick the entire draft.

They have a lot of young tackles and guards sitting on the roster, either those guys need to start playing or they need to move on from them.

Jahh
01-10-2013, 04:34 PM
I may be alone but I don't think DE is our top priority. Maybe next year.

slipknottin
01-10-2013, 04:41 PM
I may be alone but I don't think DE is our top priority. Maybe next year.

What is the giants top priority in your opinion?

And are you ok with using the same guys next year at the DE position as they had this year? Minus Osi?

Giants were 22nd in the league in sacks. Subtract the 6 from Osi and they were 30th...

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-10-2013, 05:31 PM
What is the giants top priority in your opinion?

And are you ok with using the same guys next year at the DE position as they had this year? Minus Osi?

Giants were 22nd in the league in sacks. Subtract the 6 from Osi and they were 30th...

I would like the young DE's get a shot,, kiwi moved back to DE,,and it doesn't matter if we are happy with them, coughlin will be loyal to them to a fault, again. we need a difference maker at linebacker,,,I am getting more and more on the alec ogletree train,,although like ansah, he probably wont be there. walterfootball mentioned him as possibly being one of the best players in the draft,,,I am assuming upside wise. he's got the frame to do it,,,and def. has room to grow. he's a side line to sideline backer,,he covers extremely well and is good against the run. plus he played against top notch competition in the SEC. his measurements compare favorably to the better linebackers in the league. just my opinion, though, assuming we go strictly D like you mentioned. another one I like is arthur brown.

myles2424
01-10-2013, 07:53 PM
What is the giants top priority in your opinion?

And are you ok with using the same guys next year at the DE position as they had this year? Minus Osi?

Giants were 22nd in the league in sacks. Subtract the 6 from Osi and they were 30th...

I do think pAssrusher is our biggest problem....but, assuming Osi it out....JPP,kiwi,tuck...& even ojomo or Tracy would have the upper hand on a rookie,Atleast throughout majority of the season.....So if we take a DE,I'd rather people assume its to set up for the following years & not think its going to solve our problems in 2013....didn't JPP have like 4.5 sacks as a rookie?
While I think there's room to get rookie contribution w/ Oline,cb,DT,LB.....

slipknottin
01-10-2013, 08:01 PM
I do think pAssrusher is our biggest problem....but, assuming Osi it out....JPP,kiwi,tuck...& even ojomo or Tracy would have the upper hand on a rookie,Atleast throughout majority of the season.....So if we take a DE,I'd rather people assume its to set up for the following years & not think its going to solve our problems in 2013....didn't JPP have like 4.5 sacks as a rookie?

Thats true, but you also cant draft for only the next season. Have to look ahead. Tuck would be in the last year of his contract and 31 years old. Kiwi turns 30 in two months. Ojomo and Tracy still have yet to show much. and JPP's contract has two years left.

At some point they have to add to the position. And if you look at how many draft picks they have invested by position the past like 5 drafts, DE is the least invested. Theyve only drafted one.

Redeyejedi
01-11-2013, 12:19 AM
Thats true, but you also cant draft for only the next season. Have to look ahead. Tuck would be in the last year of his contract and 31 years old. Kiwi turns 30 in two months. Ojomo and Tracy still have yet to show much. and JPP's contract has two years left.

At some point they have to add to the position. And if you look at how many draft picks they have invested by position the past like 5 drafts, DE is the least invested. Theyve only drafted one.Waiting another year only compounds the problem further. Im already looking to the 2014 season. i dont see how the Giants can compete for a Super bowl next season. I think they need to cut the fat and shoot for 2014

Jahh
01-11-2013, 07:37 AM
What is the giants top priority in your opinion?

And are you ok with using the same guys next year at the DE position as they had this year? Minus Osi?

Giants were 22nd in the league in sacks. Subtract the 6 from Osi and they were 30th...

DT, CB, LB. I still think the Giants are going to try and get through another year by bringing Kiwi down full time.

Redeyejedi
01-11-2013, 07:46 AM
DT, CB, LB. I still think the Giants are going to try and get through another year by bringing Kiwi down full time.and than be even in a deeper hole in 2014 with them all another year older and Tuck a FA. Picking a DE is more about 2014 to me I think the Giants are in trouble next season. They need to make a fresh start on Defense now. Waiting and drafting peripheral pieces like LB may make them better in 2013 but will only further weaken the team down the line when they have no Defensive front.Pass Rusher and CB anything other than that early is a very bad mistake. Giants screwed up last year they had guys like Hayward ,Wagner, Glenn sitting in front of them and they chose to go with a split time RB. I think the 2012 draft set this team back. They did nothing to improve the foundation of the team.

Jahh
01-11-2013, 07:50 AM
and than be even in a deeper hole in 2014 with them all another year older and Tuck a FA. Picking a DE is more about 2014 to me I think the Giants are in trouble next season. They need to make a fresh start on Defense now. Waiting and drafting peripheral pieces like LB may make them better in 2013 but will only further weaken the team down the line when they have no Defensive front.Pass Rusher and CB anything other than that early is a very bad mistake. Giants screwed up last year they had guys like Hayward ,Wagner, Glenn sitting in front of them and they chose to go with a split time RB. I think the 2012 draft set this team back. They did nothing to improve the foundation of the team.

I'd be curious to see what pass rushers are hitting free agency over the next couple of years.

Kruunch
01-11-2013, 08:17 AM
I think DE is the #1 priority out of this draft.

Replacing Osi with Kiwi is a wash (one's better at rushing and one's better against the run) and at this point you have to assume Tuck is going to be more invisible than visible (judging by the past two years). Ojomo and Tracy are both untried and in what limited snaps they've gotten in regular season games, they haven't made that eye popping move to motivate the coaches to put them in more (and this was with our starters being anemic all year long).

We have our two starting CBs (three for Nickle packages). We'll need depth there with T2 probably not being back and CWeb being questionable (ability wise). This is the #2 priority.

The next priority (for me) would be offensive line. However a lot of fans will say LBer. Historically (under Reese) both of these areas have been treated by throwing quantity at the positions and see what sticks. I also have huge questions about the DT position. If the Giants coaching staff have the same questions, don't be surprised to see a DT taken here.

Picks 4-7 will most likely be a combination of LBers and OL imo.

Redeyejedi
01-11-2013, 08:30 AM
I think DE is the #1 priority out of this draft.

Replacing Osi with Kiwi is a wash (one's better at rushing and one's better against the run) and at this point you have to assume Tuck is going to be more invisible than visible (judging by the past two years). Ojomo and Tracy are both untried and in what limited snaps they've gotten in regular season games, they haven't made that eye popping move to motivate the coaches to put them in more (and this was with our starters being anemic all year long).

We have our two starting CBs (three for Nickle packages). We'll need depth there with T2 probably not being back and CWeb being questionable (ability wise). This is the #2 priority.

The next priority (for me) would be offensive line. However a lot of fans will say LBer. Historically (under Reese) both of these areas have been treated by throwing quantity at the positions and see what sticks. I also have huge questions about the DT position. If the Giants coaching staff have the same questions, don't be surprised to see a DT taken here.

Picks 4-7 will most likely be a combination of LBers and OL imo. Giants could another DT but with the other needs though im pretty convinced u have to give Austin 1 more shot.