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RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 08:48 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giant_calls_to_come_on_own_free_oFMgjT8yUhixULdbqF me4N

Excerpt: "If there is any downside to winning two Super Bowls in a five-year span, it’s the price for success. Keeping the team together and continuity are more valued and as a result, players get rewarded for being part of the fun.

Given the money the Giants had to distribute, they are not in terrible shape when it comes to gearing up for the 2013 season, but at the moment, they are $4.7 million over the projected salary cap, according to ESPN. It means the Giants have plenty of work to do in the coming months, especially because they have 22 of their own free agents to consider.

It is going to cost to secure Victor Cruz, who probably is looking for a contract that will pay him in the high-rent neighborhood of $10 million per season. There’s also got to be money set aside to re-sign their left tackle, Will Beatty, who is coming off a solid season at a position where young talent gets big bucks.

The Giants also will consider their other free agents which include guard Kevin Boothe, tight end Martellus Bennett, safety Stevie Brown and kicker Lawrence Tynes.There’s little doubt a few contracts are going to have to be adjusted and it will not be surprising if a pricey veteran or two gets cut." Read more...

NYGisBallin
01-11-2013, 08:52 AM
Beatty...? Big Bucks? Like BIG bucks? I dont know.. Yes, he does a good job.. But what kind of money are we talking here?

Redeyejedi
01-11-2013, 08:55 AM
Beatty...? Big Bucks? Like BIG bucks? I dont know.. Yes, he does a good job.. But what kind of money are we talking here?They cant afford to lose Beatty thats a hole they can not fill this offseason. he has to be priority number 1

nhpgiantsfan
01-11-2013, 08:55 AM
Beatty...? Big Bucks? Like BIG bucks? I dont know.. Yes, he does a good job.. But what kind of money are we talking here?

Left tackle is one of the highest paying positions in the sport. He protects the franchise' blind side. And he is pretty decent.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 08:56 AM
Beatty...? Big Bucks? Like BIG bucks? I dont know.. Yes, he does a good job.. But what kind of money are we talking here?

This is where WE have to be careful. All of this is supposition by media heads who look at similar situations and insert a dollar amount. But Beatty has done a better than average job at LT. Boothe is also worth keeping but I am thinking they can't keep both.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 08:58 AM
They cant afford to lose Beatty thats a hole they can not fill this offseason. he has to be priority number 1

I think Reese needs to do what he can to keep Beatty, Bennett, and Cruz. He's going to have to ask some veterans to restructure and if they won't, they'll be history I'm afraid.

timmytimm3
01-11-2013, 09:36 AM
I think Reese needs to do what he can to keep Beatty, Bennett, and Cruz. He's going to have to ask some veterans to restructure and if they won't, they'll be history I'm afraid.

Agreed.

Toadofsteel
01-11-2013, 09:40 AM
Also, some free agents that are really quite good are going to have to be let go. I'm seriously doubting that we can keep both KP and Stevie, unless Rolle agrees to a pay cut...

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 09:46 AM
Also, some free agents that are really quite good are going to have to be let go. I'm seriously doubting that we can keep both KP and Stevie, unless Rolle agrees to a pay cut...


Both Rolle and Webster restructured in 2011

http://www.giants101.com/2011/08/09/corey-webster-brandon-jacobs-contract-details-revealed/

Excerpt: "“Webster’s salary dropped from $8M this year to $5M. Rolle’s from $5.25M to $1.25M. Both likely make up difference in bonuses/incentives.” Read more...

Eli restructured in 2012, freeing up close to $7M

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7661309/eli-manning-restructures-gives-new-york-giants-cap-relief

Toadofsteel
01-11-2013, 11:25 AM
Both Rolle and Webster restructured in 2011

http://www.giants101.com/2011/08/09/corey-webster-brandon-jacobs-contract-details-revealed/

Excerpt: "“Webster’s salary dropped from $8M this year to $5M. Rolle’s from $5.25M to $1.25M. Both likely make up difference in bonuses/incentives.” Read more...

Eli restructured in 2012, freeing up close to $7M

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7661309/eli-manning-restructures-gives-new-york-giants-cap-relief


And the problem is now that all three are hitting us hard because of said restructuriings...

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 11:55 AM
And the problem is now that all three are hitting us hard because of said restructuriings...

Absolutely correct. It's how it works. Reese has to financially find a way to do what they eventually feel has to be done. Players we all may want to stay may not happen. I was upset they let Cofield go.

NYFG
01-11-2013, 12:12 PM
I think Reese needs to do what he can to keep Beatty, Bennett, and Cruz. He's going to have to ask some veterans to restructure and if they won't, they'll be history I'm afraid.


This, Cruz may have to take a back loaded contract if he wants to remain a Giant. With the talent this team has now we can still win another SB or 3. There is no reason not to follow Eli's lead and restructure.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 12:19 PM
This, Cruz may have to take a back loaded contract if he wants to remain a Giant. With the talent this team has now we can still win another SB or 3. There is no reason not to follow Eli's lead and restructure.

In Cruz's case, he can't restructure as he's making NFL chump change and his contract has or will expire. He's entitled to a real contract. If we can't afford it, he is free to go to any team that can and is willing to agree to whatever tender the Giants might put on him. I think Cruz will work with Reese to get a deal done.

NYFG
01-11-2013, 12:26 PM
In Cruz's case, he can't restructure as he's making NFL chump change and his contract has or will expire. He's entitled to a real contract. If we can't afford it, he is free to go to any team that can and is willing to agree to whatever tender the Giants might put on him. I think Cruz will work with Reese to get a deal done.

Agreed but is there anything keeping Reese from offering him 3 mil this year and 12 or 13 in a year or two down the road to off set the money he deserves but wont get this year?

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 12:30 PM
Agreed but is there anything keeping Reese from offering him 3 mil this year and 12 or 13 in a year or two down the road to off set the money he deserves but wont get this year?

No, technically. They could also offer him a significant signing bonus that would be guaranteed and paid out over the length of the contract. I think the hard part is releasing players and restructuring other contracts. It's like chess on steroids.

CDN_G-FAN
01-11-2013, 01:19 PM
at some point in time we have to accept that we are going to lose a relatively serious piece of the puzzle because of our cap situation.

and i think that point in time is this year.

how can the writer say we're not in terrible shape but are over the cap by $4 mill with 22 free agents to sign. someone isn't writing this article right.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 02:01 PM
at some point in time we have to accept that we are going to lose a relatively serious piece of the puzzle because of our cap situation.

and i think that point in time is this year.

how can the writer say we're not in terrible shape but are over the cap by $4 mill with 22 free agents to sign. someone isn't writing this article right.

It could be there is an assumption about who is and isn't going to be here in 2013. Guys like Stevie Brown (RFA), Wilson, and Randle may help the aggregate price tag. I'd like to see them sign Andre Brown and consider releasing Bradshaw or asking for a significant salary cut.

This is where Reese earns his money for sure

myles2424
01-11-2013, 03:54 PM
I think bradshaw & possibly boley + others being gone is innevitable

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 04:21 PM
I think bradshaw & possibly boley + others being gone is innevitable

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Riverboat76
01-11-2013, 04:57 PM
I think we need to trade Eli for Andrew Luck and Jadeveon Clowney. Both would be under their rookie contracts and provide big savings. Problem solved!

jintsfan666
01-11-2013, 05:03 PM
I think we need to trade Eli for Andrew Luck and Jadeveon Clowney. Both would be under their rookie contracts and provide big savings. Problem solved!

LOL. I like your solution.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 07:04 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21784/giants-salary-cap-projection

Excerpt: "Jerry Reese says the Giants will look different (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21431/coughlin-fewell-wont-be-fired) next season.

He doesn’t intend to start a massive overhaul, but he will need to add a few new pieces. And the GM might have to say goodbye to some familiar old faces with the Giants projected to be $4.7 million over the cap in 2013 according to John Clayton’s cap numbers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy). Clayton says the Giants will carry over $1 million.

According to Clayton, the cap is “growing at only $300,000 a year.” So with last year's cap at $120.6 million, the cap could be around $121 million this coming season.

So if the Giants have to shed close to $5 million, Reese will have some tinkering to do. The Giants have a lot of free agents and restricted free agents (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21501/giants-13-free-agent-list) to take care of such as Victor Cruz (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13553/victor-cruz), Will Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty), Osi Umenyiora (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4514/osi-umenyiora), Kevin Boothe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9762/kevin-boothe), Stevie Brown (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13321/stevie-brown) and Martellus Bennett (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11295/martellus-bennett).

So the Giants will have to do what they have done in the past couple of seasons and that’s some cap maneuvering. Here’s a list of a few veterans who could be impacted by the cap and may be candidates to restructure their contracts: " Read more...

giantsfan420
01-11-2013, 07:44 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21784/giants-salary-cap-projection

Excerpt: "Jerry Reese says the Giants will look different (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21431/coughlin-fewell-wont-be-fired) next season.

He doesn’t intend to start a massive overhaul, but he will need to add a few new pieces. And the GM might have to say goodbye to some familiar old faces with the Giants projected to be $4.7 million over the cap in 2013 according to John Clayton’s cap numbers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy). Clayton says the Giants will carry over $1 million.

According to Clayton, the cap is “growing at only $300,000 a year.” So with last year's cap at $120.6 million, the cap could be around $121 million this coming season.

So if the Giants have to shed close to $5 million, Reese will have some tinkering to do. The Giants have a lot of free agents and restricted free agents (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/21501/giants-13-free-agent-list) to take care of such as Victor Cruz (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13553/victor-cruz), Will Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty), Osi Umenyiora (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4514/osi-umenyiora), Kevin Boothe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9762/kevin-boothe), Stevie Brown (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13321/stevie-brown) and Martellus Bennett (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11295/martellus-bennett).

So the Giants will have to do what they have done in the past couple of seasons and that’s some cap maneuvering. Here’s a list of a few veterans who could be impacted by the cap and may be candidates to restructure their contracts: " Read more...oh snapppp.

i was wondering about snee. is he really that untouchable.after last seasons play, id argue hes right there at the top of overpaid wayyyyy too much for his performance. but was that just a 1 yr issue? was it bc of DD? lol sorry DD. Can he return to the level we're accustomed to?i dunno. bradshaw, i thought nah, no way we cut him. but then again, DW did look NASTY. Andre Brown looked nasty too when healthy. Only prob, bradshaw had games where he looked amazing as well...i dont think we move him, maybe restructure or redo his current deal...but the players that are in jeopardy of release due to their cap hits dont really worry me. compared to the players we'd be keeping/signing, its actually a good trade off...

RoanokeFan
01-11-2013, 08:37 PM
oh snapppp.

i was wondering about snee. is he really that untouchable.after last seasons play, id argue hes right there at the top of overpaid wayyyyy too much for his performance. but was that just a 1 yr issue? was it bc of DD? lol sorry DD. Can he return to the level we're accustomed to?i dunno. bradshaw, i thought nah, no way we cut him. but then again, DW did look NASTY. Andre Brown looked nasty too when healthy. Only prob, bradshaw had games where he looked amazing as well...i dont think we move him, maybe restructure or redo his current deal...but the players that are in jeopardy of release due to their cap hits dont really worry me. compared to the players we'd be keeping/signing, its actually a good trade off...

If Brown heals completely, Bradshaw could be a casualty, We'd have WiIson, Brown, Scott, Lumpkin, or a draft pick

Harooni
01-12-2013, 01:49 AM
we arent in terrible shape yet we are over the cap and still out 22 players??? i beg to differ with the writer

Drez
01-12-2013, 02:54 AM
we arent in terrible shape yet we are over the cap and still out 22 players??? i beg to differ with the writer
I'm sure that projection includes Osi and TT at whatever exorbitant cap hit he'd be next season. Hell, just cutting Diehl puts us under the cap, lol.

Toadofsteel
01-12-2013, 09:37 AM
Lol with tenders on Cruz and Stevie we could end up with 8 picks in the first 3 rounds... imagine if KC bit on a Cruz 1st+3rd tender...

Redeyejedi
01-12-2013, 10:31 AM
I think Reese needs to do what he can to keep Beatty, Bennett, and Cruz. He's going to have to ask some veterans to restructure and if they won't, they'll be history I'm afraid.I agree i think the priority has to be keeping the younger players. Letting a young player with 5 good years left to keep a vet with 1 will end up killing the team. I think Reese is going to have to be the bad guy this offseason .If the Giants want to give Eli another window to win a Super Bowl before he retires he is going to have to break out the hatchet.

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 10:59 AM
I agree i think the priority has to be keeping the younger players. Letting a young player with 5 good years left to keep a vet with 1 will end up killing the team. I think Reese is going to have to be the bad guy this offseason .If the Giants want to give Eli another window to win a Super Bowl before he retires he is going to have to break out the hatchet. +1

Rich4114
01-12-2013, 11:05 AM
Diehl, Webster, Canty, Boley = 21m....

Harooni
01-12-2013, 01:27 PM
I'm sure that projection includes Osi and TT at whatever exorbitant cap hit he'd be next season. Hell, just cutting Diehl puts us under the cap, lol. osi is only 1mill, his contract was front loaded.

BigBlueAllDay
01-12-2013, 02:46 PM
osi is only 1mill, his contract was front loaded.

But Osi and some other NFL players sometimes don't respect/honor the back-end of their front-loaded contracts. They'll start complaining, holding out for a new contract, and going media complaining that they're underpaid for the current year compared to other top players at the position because the average person do not understand or care about a player's entire contract.

Toadofsteel
01-12-2013, 02:53 PM
Diehl, Webster, Canty, Boley = 21m....

The issue is if you outright cut them you lose the players and still take a lot of cap hit anyway...

Harooni
01-12-2013, 03:23 PM
But Osi and some other NFL players sometimes don't respect/honor the back-end of their front-loaded contracts. They'll start complaining, holding out for a new contract, and going media complaining that they're underpaid for the current year compared to other top players at the position because the average person do not understand or care about a player's entire contract.

sometimes it gets confusing. but osi knew what he signed and took a huge chunk up front,.

bearbryant
01-12-2013, 03:58 PM
I agree i think the priority has to be keeping the younger players. Letting a young player with 5 good years left to keep a vet with 1 will end up killing the team. I think Reese is going to have to be the bad guy this offseason .If the Giants want to give Eli another window to win a Super Bowl before he retires he is going to have to break out the hatchet.

Yes, time to get rid of some of the overpriced guys if we want Eli's playing years to get another title. So you help a few guys out the door, restructure the ones you want to keep and use the tender to your advantage. With over twenty players on FA this year, we'll see just what kind of a dancer JR can be.

TextureDj
01-12-2013, 05:31 PM
This is where WE have to be careful. All of this is supposition by media heads who look at similar situations and insert a dollar amount. But Beatty has done a better than average job at LT. Boothe is also worth keeping but I am thinking they can't keep both.Boothe is going to walk, I all but guarantee. I doubt that cat ever thought he would have a shot as a starter in the NFL and now that he has acquitted himself admirably, and can be a swing guard and play center, he will surely test FA. We cant keep up with what many teams with worse Olines are going to be willing to pay.
Dont be suprised if he turn up in greenbay.

Drez
01-12-2013, 07:53 PM
The issue is if you outright cut them you lose the players and still take a lot of cap hit anyway...
Well, Diehl, Webster, and Boley are all in the last year of their deals, so you'd only take the bonus money as a cap hit... We'd save all their base salaries.

If we cut Diehl, Webster, and Boley, we'd save nearly $12m (after cap penalties), while also incurring about $8m in cap penalties.

I think Canty will get restructured, not cut.