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RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 09:10 AM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2013/01/11/giants-could-seek-more-pass-rush-help

Excerpt: "It became an annual rite of passage that the Giants would draft a pass rusher. People often mocked them for it, but as former GM Ernie Accorsi was fond of saying, “You can never have too many pass rushers.” He was right, and current GM Jerry Reese — who has adopted many of Accorsi’s ideas — likely would agree.

The Giants’ defense broke down in 2012, allowing the most yards in franchise history. The run defense was a major flaw at times, but you also can’t overlook the lack of pass-rush production. Pressures were down, QB hits were off and sacks dropped from 48 in 2011 to 33 this season.

Several players saw drops in their sack production. Jason Pierre-Paul, appearing to be on the verge of stardom, dropped from 16 to 6. Osi Umenyiora fell from nine to six, Justin Tuck from five to four and Mathias Kiwanuka from 3 to 3. The loss of sub-rusher Dave Tollefson (five sacks in 2011) to free agency hurt more than expected, and the early-season injury to DT Chris Canty also reduced the pressure up front." Read more...

FBomb
01-12-2013, 09:23 AM
But.....it wasn't the defenses fault. Our offense MADE them play too much!!! :p

Rudyy
01-12-2013, 09:32 AM
But.....it wasn't the defenses fault. Our offense MADE them play too much!!! :plol

Toadofsteel
01-12-2013, 09:33 AM
Still need OL first. Then worry about pass rushers...

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 10:41 AM
But.....it wasn't the defenses fault. Our offense MADE them play too much!!! :p :)

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 10:41 AM
Still need OL first. Then worry about pass rushers... +1

Redeyejedi
01-12-2013, 10:58 AM
Still need OL first. Then worry about pass rushers... Yeah because 1 OLineman can really impact the game more than 1 pass rusher.

Giants have a serious problem with this Dline. Osi is a FA, The Ghost of Justin Tuck will be next season, If the Giants dont fix this they wont be competitive on Defense.

1.QB
2.Pass Rusher
3.CB

Thats the hierarchy

Giants found Locklear who played well at RT for next to nothing. Good luck finding a starting pass rusher or Cornerback for nothing.

JesseJames
01-12-2013, 11:51 AM
I think the draft will be OL and DE in rounds 1 and 2 in either order since both are a need..

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 11:52 AM
The loss of Tollefson hurt more than expected? really? REALLY?

brad
01-12-2013, 11:54 AM
I think the draft will be OL and DE in rounds 1 and 2 in either order since both are a need..

Possibly, but the chances of an OL coming in as a rookie and getting any real playing time is remote at best. There is a better chance that a rookie LB or DE with the 19th pick would make more of an impact. If OL is an immediate need, then free agency is how they will have to fix it, not the draft, in my opinion.

JesseJames
01-12-2013, 11:59 AM
Possibly, but the chances of an OL coming in as a rookie and getting any real playing time is remote at best. There is a better chance that a rookie LB or DE with the 19th pick would make more of an impact. If OL is an immediate need, then free agency is how they will have to fix it, not the draft, in my opinion. I agree but a starting quality OL in FA will cost money the team doesn't have so it looks like the draft is where we have to go.

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 12:03 PM
I agree but a starting quality OL in FA will cost money the team doesn't have so it looks like the draft is where we have to go.

They found a good starter in Locklear for really nothing.

brad
01-12-2013, 12:06 PM
I agree but a starting quality OL in FA will cost money the team doesn't have so it looks like the draft is where we have to go.

Agreed, which likely means they don't get a starting quality OL either way. I fear that results in an O-line that is worse next year than it was this year. Considering the propensity to throw deep and use longer developing plays, a good backup QB might be the first need in the draft... LOL

BigBlueAllDay
01-12-2013, 12:21 PM
I still think they still need to maintain a focus on upgrading the Linebackers corp. There are mobile QBs in the NFL now that can extend plays and avoid the pass rush with ease. But more importantly, you also want LBs that can stuff the run constantly so the QB is forced to pass the ball against the pass rush. It's a team defense and everyone plays an important part.

rainierjef
01-12-2013, 12:37 PM
Day 1 starting OL are usually selected in the first 1-10 picks rare that their are any definite day 1 starters past 15. 10-20 is where you find your day 1 starting CB/S/pass rushing DE / all purpose DT. I have to agree with Red on this one. I am a big Eifert fan and I don't think he is good value at 19. to bad cause i really believe he would explode in our offense.

GiantRoc
01-12-2013, 01:00 PM
So it sounds like we are screwed. FA is the only way to get immediate change, and we don't have the money to sign top players. We could get lucky and draft a few real studs for OL and LB and DE. Oh that won't work, TC won't play rookies either. So barring major changes in coahing philosophies, I guess we stop worrying about next year and write it off. (some red ink here)

We have professional coahes and athletes. Many of the players we have written off, we havent't really seen play. We may have a few diamonds deep in our pockets that didn't play due to TC's bent toward Vets and distrust of rookies and young players. There is also a chance the coaches could analyze this years performance and decide to change their schemes and play calling.

We all know changes need to be made. I'm just not willing to get so worked up about things now. Not before the teams has even made any meaningful moves to address whats going on. Let's not hate on each other for opinions at this point. None of us really know what the hell we are talking about anyway.

PS The D is old and slow and Gilbride sucks. LOL

Captain Chaos
01-12-2013, 01:05 PM
They found a good starter in Locklear for really nothing.

Yes he was solid but he went down mid season....not much you can dow about that but FA would be a good place to look for OL help.

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 01:44 PM
Yes he was solid but he went down mid season....not much you can dow about that but FA would be a good place to look for OL help.

You don't think Locklear can come back from the injury?

giantsfan420
01-12-2013, 05:25 PM
You don't think Locklear can come back from the injury?im pulling for him. i was calling him our starting rt the day we signed him practically, at the least that a lot of people were sleeping on him. I knew of him from his long stint in seattle. that was an awesome signing by jr. but, that injury, do u remember how nasty it was? the leg from the knee down went in the complete wrong direction and looked like had been broken clean and barely connected...at 32 or 33 whatever he was, i just cannot fathom him returning to the level he was playing at for us, thats if he can even return. pretty sure, almost positive, that was a career ending injury and its a shame. many thanks to lockler.

Redeyejedi
01-12-2013, 07:33 PM
I agree but a starting quality OL in FA will cost money the team doesn't have so it looks like the draft is where we have to go. U can find a starting quality olineman in FA for next to nothing and the difference in his play than a 6 million dollar a year player is negligible . U cant get a starter in FA at CB or DE than next to nothing. U get far more impact from 1 CB or 1 DE than u get from 1 Olineman especially if we are talking interior lineman

Imgrate
01-13-2013, 02:07 AM
U can find a starting quality olineman in FA for next to nothing and the difference in his play than a 6 million dollar a year player is negligible . U cant get a starter in FA at CB or DE than next to nothing. U get far more impact from 1 CB or 1 DE than u get from 1 Olineman especially if we are talking interior linemanBeen saying this for years..WAR like stat in baseball needs to hit the nfl

NorwoodBlue
01-13-2013, 12:00 PM
First Mock draft I've seen out has the Giants going for a JPP clone at DE.

fletch842
01-13-2013, 12:17 PM
First Mock draft I've seen out has the Giants going for a JPP clone at DE.
they could do worse.