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GoDeep80
01-12-2013, 12:27 PM
With the Dallas Cowboys hiring Kiffin as their new DC they'll be switching to a 4-3 and their missing a couple pieces to their D. a DT and another DE. That means their just as much in the market for Ansah, Okafor, Hankins, and any other D-line prospect as we are. We cou;d have the guy we want snatched up right in front of us!!

Mlerman17
01-12-2013, 12:35 PM
With the Dallas Cowboys hiring Kiffin as their new DC they'll be switching to a 4-m3 and their missing a couple pieces to their D. a DT and another DE. That means their just as much in the market for Ansah, Okafor, Hankins, and any other D-line prospect as we are. We cou;d have the guy we want snatched up right in front of us!!Damn I did not think about that. This could be a potential nightmare if they steal a player away from us. But then again in 2010 the eagles drafted right before us and they took graham. And we all know who we got. Jpp. So these things can go either way.

Carter.525
01-12-2013, 12:54 PM
so is Ware a DE now..??

GoDeep80
01-12-2013, 12:59 PM
so is Ware a DE now..??That's still unclear. He could be trade bait (ala Herschel Walker) but I don't think it'd be to hard for him to transition. but they'd still need another end because Spencer is a FA.

Carter.525
01-12-2013, 01:06 PM
I could see Dallas taking Ansah.. and if Giants want a DE that would leave Montgomery & Okafor.. Im ok with that

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 01:07 PM
They would be interested in all those guys anyway.

Ansah plays 5 tech, which dallas needed, montgomery could potentially play 5 tech. Okafor could be an outside linebacker.

Really not much different.

What dallas played before was more similar to a 4-3 than a traditional 2 gap 3-4 anyway

Redeyejedi
01-12-2013, 01:25 PM
They would be interested in all those guys anyway.

Ansah plays 5 tech, which dallas needed, montgomery could potentially play 5 tech. Okafor could be an outside linebacker.

Really not much different.

What dallas played before was more similar to a 4-3 than a traditional 2 gap 3-4 anywayThe real difference will be the secondary. They went out and spent all those resources on cover corners and now are switching to a softer coverage scheme. i wonder how much or if it will effect Sean Lee

Mlerman17
01-12-2013, 01:54 PM
The real difference will be the secondary. They went out and spent all those resources on cover corners and now are switching to a softer coverage scheme. i wonder how much or if it will effect Sean LeeEvery time the cowboys ran Zone this year they seemed to be ineffective. This can be great new for the giants especially since we struggled so much vs their man cov this year.

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 02:02 PM
Every time the cowboys ran Zone this year they seemed to be ineffective. This can be great new for the giants especially since we struggled so much vs their man cov this year.

Its going to look like man coverage. C2 lets the corners beat the crap out of the WRs at the line and for the first 5 yards because they have safeties over the top

Mlerman17
01-12-2013, 02:42 PM
Its going to look like man coverage. C2 lets the corners beat the crap out of the WRs at the line and for the first 5 yards because they have safeties over the topAfter the press the corners will either trail the rec or stay in the flat which will take away from their strong man cov abilities

BlueSanta
01-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Yea, I mentioned this in another thread. If they switch to 43, DE will be their biggest team need.

There is another side to this tho, itisnt an easy transition for 34 lb to 43 LB, especially in the interior. They would be taking a big risk as they really do have LBs better suited for 34.

Redeyejedi
01-13-2013, 07:42 PM
Good chance Ansah wont get to us because of the Cowboys

Redeyejedi
01-13-2013, 07:44 PM
Damn I did not think about that. This could be a potential nightmare if they steal a player away from us. But then again in 2010 the eagles drafted right before us and they took graham. And we all know who we got. Jpp. So these things can go either way.Graham looked pretty damn good this season when they started playing him at the end

rainierjef
01-14-2013, 01:28 AM
4-3 utilizes the front four DT/DE more than the 3-4
3-4 utilizes the Linebackers more than the 4-3
Plus cover corners are needed for most 4-3 calls and both carr and claiborne are zone corners
So I can see Dallas putting emphasis on Corner just as much as DE/DT, then they would have to cycle in Line backers suited for the 4-3 as the only one on that roster they have that's suited for tampa 2 (4-3) is probably Bruce carter and he probably plays SAM; not sure how well Sean Lee translates to a 4-3 MLB he might play well as a WILL.
Either way its not easy task to uproot a 3-4 and form a 4-3 its a lot less stress going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 still not easy.
What Dallas really needs though is a QB.

Jahh
01-14-2013, 09:11 AM
4-3 utilizes the front four DT/DE more than the 3-4
3-4 utilizes the Linebackers more than the 4-3
Plus cover corners are needed for most 4-3 calls and both carr and claiborne are zone corners
So I can see Dallas putting emphasis on Corner just as much as DE/DT, then they would have to cycle in Line backers suited for the 4-3 as the only one on that roster they have that's suited for tampa 2 (4-3) is probably Bruce carter and he probably plays SAM; not sure how well Sean Lee translates to a 4-3 MLB he might play well as a WILL.
Either way its not easy task to uproot a 3-4 and form a 4-3 its a lot less stress going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 still not easy.
What Dallas really needs though is a QB.

Claiborne and Carr are not zone corners and there is no way they are going to target corners early in the draft. They just invested the farm in those two guys.

rainierjef
01-14-2013, 12:04 PM
Claiborne and Carr are not zone corners and there is no way they are going to target corners early in the draft. They just invested the farm in those two guys.
Their definitely not cover corners. and carr is not good at press man. so that kind of screws them going from a 3-4 to a 4-3. And crazier situations have happened in the draft nothing is out of the ordinary when it comes to that.

B-Red22
01-14-2013, 12:19 PM
That's still unclear. He could be trade bait (ala Herschel Walker) but I don't think it'd be to hard for him to transition. but they'd still need another end because Spencer is a FA.

I live in DFW now, was listening to the radio this morning and apparently Kiffin loves Spencer and they are now in talks to lock him up to play him at DE

B-Red22
01-14-2013, 12:21 PM
Their definitely not cover corners. and carr is not good at press man. so that kind of screws them going from a 3-4 to a 4-3. And crazier situations have happened in the draft nothing is out of the ordinary when it comes to that.

Carr and Claiborne are both press cover corners, what r u talking about?

rainierjef
01-14-2013, 12:40 PM
Carr and Claiborne are both press cover corners, what r u talking about? Okay let me put it this way. Nothing that I saw out of carr this year tell me he is a great press man cover corner. Claiborne still has a lot of maturing to do as a player and was not all that effective in press man or off man as well. Playing in the NFC where the receivers are mostly more physical than the AFC the cowboys switching to a 4-3 scheme would have more secondary problems than front line defensive issues.

Mlerman17
01-14-2013, 02:20 PM
Okay let me put it this way. Nothing that I saw out of carr this year tell me he is a great press man cover corner. Claiborne still has a lot of maturing to do as a player and was not all that effective in press man or off man as well. Playing in the NFC where the receivers are mostly more physical than the AFC the cowboys switching to a 4-3 scheme would have more secondary problems than front line defensive issues.No way their corners are the strength of their team even if they aren't zone corners necessarily. Dware with his hand in the dirt after years of standing up? Same for spencer. Plus the lbs have to adjust also and if Sean lee plays inside he will have to handle the middle without as much help in a 4-3.

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-15-2013, 04:04 AM
With the Dallas Cowboys hiring Kiffin as their new DC they'll be switching to a 4-3 and their missing a couple pieces to their D. a DT and another DE. That means their just as much in the market for Ansah, Okafor, Hankins, and any other D-line prospect as we are. We cou;d have the guy we want snatched up right in front of us!!

good,,then maybe a good corner or LB falls to us.

Kruunch
01-15-2013, 09:53 AM
so is Ware a DE now..??

Yes. He plays with his hand in the dirt anyway so the transition won't be tough for him.

And I could definitely see Dallas snatching at Okafor or Ansah early on if there is a run on DEs.

I'm hoping they aim for Montgomery instead.