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NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 04:18 PM
Let's face it if Eli God forbid ever did go down all hope is lost anyway. Carr isn't anything special.

I'd rather us develop Perrilloux and possibly flip him for a pick or who knows how he turns out.... let's start grooming someone instead of wasting a spot on a backup QB that will never play and is at the end of his career.


I still love that tweet "Champ has to defend his belt. I'll be there with my GMEN when WE do. #ALLIN #WEgotaRing #loyalty #greatestfansinthegame #blessed"

But I think it's time to move on.


Carr has done a great job with the scout team as well but we could use that extra money elsewhere.

He made $990,000 this past season..... that is too much. If he comes in for the vet min I'm all for it... even though I'd like to start devloping a QB to possibly trade for a pick some where down the line

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 04:21 PM
How much do you think you'll save? $900K isn't that much in NFL land.

There will be some competition in camp

Red Dog
01-12-2013, 04:29 PM
never think never about Eli going down, it happens with age, and it happened to is brother. i'm surprised Carr makes less than a milion do you think the Giants would consider me for 250,000?

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 04:32 PM
never think never about Eli going down, it happens with age, and it happened to is brother. i'm surprised Carr makes less than a milion do you think the Giants would consider me for 250,000?

Hell yes

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 04:35 PM
How much do you think you'll save? $900K isn't that much in NFL land.

There will be some competition in camp
Actually I don't think Carr can even make much less since he's accrued so many seasons in the league. Isn't the least he can make around $800,000?

I think it's clearly time to move on...

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 04:39 PM
Actually I don't think Carr can even make much less since he's accrued so many seasons in the league. Isn't the least he can make around $800,000?

I think it's clearly time to move on...

Maybe Painter will knock him out but won't be cheaper. That also might be the right move with Eli being older and the risk of injury increases.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 04:51 PM
Maybe Painter will knock him out but won't be cheaper. That also might be the right move with Eli being older and the risk of injury increases.
As of the 2007 season, the minimum salary for a rookie is $285,000. The minimum salary increases according to the number of years the player has been in the league. The highest minimum salary is $820,000 for players who have been in the league 11 years or more.

The minimum salary structure for 2007 is as follows:

Rookies and first-year players $285,000
Second-year players $360,000
Third-year $435,000
Fourth-year $510,000
Fifth- through seventh-year $595,000
Eighth- through tenth-year $720,000
Eleventh-year and longer $820,000
They can receive an additional $30000 bonus for attending the sylvia herpolscheiemer academy of performance art.


For the 2007 season, minimum salaries in the NFL are:
Rookies - $285,000
One Year Veteran - $360,000
Two Year Veteran - $435,000
Three Year Veteran - $510,000
Four to Six Year Veteran - $595,000
Seven to Nine Year Veteran - $720,000
Ten+ Year Veteran - $820,000

For the 2012 season, minimum NFL base salaries are ...

1) Rookie - $390,000
2) 1 year - $465,000
3) 2 year - $540,000
4) 3 year - $615,000
5) 4-6 year - $700,000
6) 7-9 year - $825,000
7) 10+ year - $925,000

Since 2007, the base salary for each classification has gone up $105,000.


So Painter would make $700,000? He's likely just a camp arm anyway so no worry there.

We need to someone for cheap... even Perriloux would make $540,000 if I read that correctly?

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 04:53 PM
As of the 2007 season, the minimum salary for a rookie is $285,000. The minimum salary increases according to the number of years the player has been in the league. The highest minimum salary is $820,000 for players who have been in the league 11 years or more.

The minimum salary structure for 2007 is as follows:

Rookies and first-year players $285,000
Second-year players $360,000
Third-year $435,000
Fourth-year $510,000
Fifth- through seventh-year $595,000
Eighth- through tenth-year $720,000
Eleventh-year and longer $820,000
They can receive an additional $30000 bonus for attending the sylvia herpolscheiemer academy of performance art.


For the 2007 season, minimum salaries in the NFL are:
Rookies - $285,000
One Year Veteran - $360,000
Two Year Veteran - $435,000
Three Year Veteran - $510,000
Four to Six Year Veteran - $595,000
Seven to Nine Year Veteran - $720,000
Ten+ Year Veteran - $820,000

For the 2012 season, minimum NFL base salaries are ...

1) Rookie - $390,000
2) 1 year - $465,000
3) 2 year - $540,000
4) 3 year - $615,000
5) 4-6 year - $700,000
6) 7-9 year - $825,000
7) 10+ year - $925,000

Since 2007, the base salary for each classification has gone up $105,000.


So Painter would make $700,000? He's likely just a camp arm anyway so no worry there.

We need to someone for cheap... even Perriloux would make $540,000 if I read that correctly?

There is no "cheap" in the NFL

Cloud57
01-12-2013, 04:54 PM
If Eli is injured can Carr win us a few games? I don't think so.

RoanokeFan
01-12-2013, 05:00 PM
If Eli is injured can Carr win us a few games? I don't think so.

If we have a running game, yes. Carr is a bit more mobile than Eli, but he'll never "replace" Eli. I think he could get us trough a game or two.

jomo
01-12-2013, 05:08 PM
If we have a running game, yes. Carr is a bit more mobile than Eli, but he'll never "replace" Eli. I think he could get us trough a game or two.Yes he could. The question however is a good one. Could we find that kind of guy for appreciably less? Probably not..even if we could save $200k we'd be losing a known quantity which is worth something.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 05:13 PM
There is no "cheap" in the NFL

Saving over $450,000 is huge given our cap situation

Redeyejedi
01-12-2013, 05:15 PM
I would like to see them draft a developmental QB but they dont want to carry 3 active so its pointless draft 1

jomo
01-12-2013, 05:16 PM
Saving over $450,000 is hugeI'm not sure we'd get a guy for $500,000 who wouldn't lose a game on his own with regularity. Are there available guys out there at $500, we could consider in this discussion?

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 05:21 PM
I'm not sure we'd get a guy for $500,000 who wouldn't lose a game on his own with regularity. Are there available guys out there at $500, we could consider in this discussion?
Perriloiux would make $540,000 I'm pretty sure. He would be in his second season.

jomo
01-12-2013, 05:25 PM
Perriloiux would make $540,000 I'm pretty sure. He would be in his second season.Perriloux can't be counted on to manage a game and avoid game losing mistakes. No experience whatsoever...............if it's me making the decision, I'll find the $450k elsewhere or try to squeeze Carr for half that.

No backup is going to get you through the playoffs but you need a guy who won't blow a game on his own during a 3 game absence by the starter. We have no clue that Perriloiux could be that guy. In fact if Perriloux is on the list of guys who can fill the bill, the list has about 100 other names on it.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 05:27 PM
Perriloux can't be counted on to manage a game and avoid game losing mistakes. No experience whatsoever...............if it's me making the decision, I'll find the $450k elsewhere or try to squeeze Carr for half that.

No backup is going to get you through the playoffs but you need a guy who won't blow a game on his own during a 3 game absence by the starter. We have no clue that Perriloiux could be that guy. In fact if Perriloux is on the list of guys who can fill the bill, the list has about 100 other names on it.

I think the least Carr can make is around $925,000 since he's in his 11th+ season

jomo
01-12-2013, 05:31 PM
I think the least Carr can make is around $925,000 since he's in his 11th+ seasonTough call, I'm not much of a fan of his either............I'd have to see the other options but I like a guy with 5+ years in the league and some starter experience. None of the options are going to be very talented so after that it's just about money and the cap and maybe who can hold on place kicks in a pinch. Maybe we'd also like a guy with experience in a similar style offense.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 05:37 PM
Tough call, I'm not much of a fan of his either............I'd have to see the other options but I like a guy with 5+ years in the league and some starter experience. None of the options are going to be very talented so after that it's just about money and the cap and maybe who can hold on place kicks in a pinch. Maybe we'd also like a guy with experience in a similar style offense.
Yea, if those numbers are correct it says 4-6 year players make $700,000.

I think it's ridiculous that a second year player at minimum makes $540,000.

Spending all that money(or a lot more) on a backup QB...... who will never play in our offense

jomo
01-12-2013, 05:42 PM
Yea, if those numbers are correct it says 4-6 year players make $700,000.

I think it's ridiculous that a second year player at minimum makes $540,000.

Spending all that money(or a lot more) on a backup QB...... who will never play in our offenseThis confirms that the best job in the NFL is backup quarterback. You don't even have to play special teams. I didn't realize that the escalators impact them as well........Wow

It still seems too risky to go with such a young guy though some might qualify like the kid down in Washington. I didn't see enough of Perriloux last year or in college to know if he could be the guy for us but that's our only chance of saving some money for reloading our OL and DL.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 05:55 PM
This confirms that the best job in the NFL is backup quarterback. You don't even have to play special teams. I didn't realize that the escalators impact them as well........Wow

It still seems too risky to go with such a young guy though some might qualify like the kid down in Washington. I didn't see enough of Perriloux last year or in college to know if he could be the guy for us but that's our only chance of saving some money for reloading our OL and DL.
With this new CBA it's almost impossible to stretch a buck.......

Flip Empty
01-12-2013, 06:23 PM
Yea, if those numbers are correct it says 4-6 year players make $700,000.

I think it's ridiculous that a second year player at minimum makes $540,000.

Spending all that money(or a lot more) on a backup QB...... who will never play in our offense
Backups practice and watch film etc, just as much as the starter, though. Contracts don't just pay for 17 games, they pay for the eight or so months that the player works for.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 06:33 PM
Backups practice and watch film etc, just as much as the starter, though. Contracts don't just pay for 17 games, they pay for the eight or so months that the player works for.
It still sucks that we can't just offer Carr $500,000 or less even when he won't see the field. Stupid CBA

Flip Empty
01-12-2013, 06:38 PM
It still sucks that we can't just offer Carr $500,000 or less even when he won't see the field. Stupid CBA
It does. Especially when you look at the impact Cruz has made then look at how much he's earning.

G-MANning4Life
01-12-2013, 06:59 PM
Actually I don't think Carr can even make much less since he's accrued so many seasons in the league. Isn't the least he can make around $800,000?

I think it's clearly time to move on...
Must be nice to make that kind of money without doing much other than working with the practice squad.

Drez
01-12-2013, 07:26 PM
You do realize that $990k is just a hair over vet min. Vet min is $910k.

ANON837
01-12-2013, 11:19 PM
Please let us not discount the backup QB. It doesn't bode well that Eli is not getting any younger and is not fleet of foot, especially if Reese continues to treat the OL like a ******* stepchild. If Eli does go down to an injury, you will need some experience under center. The last thing you need is to completely toss the playbook in favor of a signal caller that is not too familiar with the system nor any rapport with the receivers and coordinator. Will Carr be the Giants savior if such a situation arises? Probably not, but I wouldn't start tanking games to get a better draft pick. He could probably keep you in a few games.

BParcells777
01-12-2013, 11:35 PM
Carr is a Caucasian Sanchez.......there is nothing worse than that in QBs.........Perrilloux should be Eli's back up

TCHOF
01-12-2013, 11:35 PM
Ask the Bears about having an inadequate backup. They lost their season last year because of it.

We all know that if Eli goes down for the season, we're done. But if he goes down for 3 or four games, we will need a backup who can win 2 of those games to keep us in the hunt.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-12-2013, 11:58 PM
Eli doesn't get injured let's be serious.

Eli eats injury bugs for breakfast

sharick88
01-13-2013, 12:27 AM
David Carr has the easiest job ever. Over a million bucks to hold a clipboard. Who wouldn't want his job?
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Morehead State
01-13-2013, 12:28 AM
Let's face it if Eli God forbid ever did go down all hope is lost anyway. Carr isn't anything special.

I'd rather us develop Perrilloux and possibly flip him for a pick or who knows how he turns out.... let's start grooming someone instead of wasting a spot on a backup QB that will never play and is at the end of his career.


I still love that tweet "Champ has to defend his belt. I'll be there with my GMEN when WE do. #ALLIN #WEgotaRing #loyalty #greatestfansinthegame #blessed"

But I think it's time to move on.


Carr has done a great job with the scout team as well but we could use that extra money elsewhere.

He made $990,000 this past season..... that is too much. If he comes in for the vet min I'm all for it... even though I'd like to start devloping a QB to possibly trade for a pick some where down the line

This is exactly what they said about Curtis Painter in Indy.
How did that work out?

Drez
01-13-2013, 12:31 AM
Carr is a Caucasian Sanchez.......there is nothing worse than that in QBs.........Perrilloux should be Eli's back up
Why do people love Perrilloux? He's not very good.

RagTime Blue
01-13-2013, 12:51 AM
Carr is not a cap concern, but I just don't feel he brings anything to the table. Our chances might be just as good going with a backup who could actually have a chance to become "good".

Carr has had the type of career success that 99.9% of Division 1 starters will never see. That's to be respected and admired because it was earned through hard work.

But the time has come for the Giants to move in another direction.

Drez
01-13-2013, 12:53 AM
Carr is not a cap concern, but I just don't feel he brings anything to the table. Our chances might be just as good going with a backup who could actually have a chance to become "good".

Carr has had the type of career success that 99.9% of Division 1 starters will never see. That's to be respected and admired because it was earned through hard work.

But the time has come for the Giants to move in another direction.
Well, we did sign Curtis Painter to a futures contract, lol.

Giants5699
01-13-2013, 02:55 AM
Tebow time. 1 year for 500k

Drez
01-13-2013, 02:56 AM
Tebow time. 1 year for 500kI'd rather have Weatherford play QB for us.

NYG4lifeNYK
01-13-2013, 04:54 AM
Well, we did sign Curtis Painter to a futures contract, lol.

He's a camp arm, nothing more.

Captain Chaos
01-13-2013, 07:18 AM
Yes he could. The question however is a good one. Could we find that kind of guy for appreciably less? Probably not..even if we could save $200k we'd be losing a known quantity which is worth something.

Jomo hit the nail on the head, he is a known quantity that provides the Giants a valuable backup piece.

Drez
01-13-2013, 08:35 AM
He's a camp arm, nothing more.
Did I really need to put that in red?

Redeyejedi
01-13-2013, 10:03 AM
He's a camp arm, nothing more. with starting experience in an offense that features many of the Giants concepts

RoanokeFan
01-13-2013, 10:50 AM
Saving over $450,000 is huge given our cap situation Not really. Unless there's a multiplier like cut 6 players who each make $450k

fletch842
01-13-2013, 10:59 AM
I'm squarely in the "it is well worth the money for a competent back up QB". The cap savings are so insignificant, that I way prefer to have a guy like Carr. I'd like to think that Iron Man Eli will not miss a game his entire career, but the reality is that it could happen any play, and with the descent of the OL, he is taking a lot more hits lately.

NorwoodBlue
01-13-2013, 11:28 AM
To me it's not that much an issue of Carr or someone else. If they don't get a real running game going, the back-up isn't going to matter. If Eli goes down, few other QB could win with the running game such as it is. That means fixing the OL, probably through the draft.

Washington had a real running game this year, and they won with two different rookie QB. Defenses are becoming so pass oriented that a straight ahead running game can cause them fits now. Combine that with an offense that has passing weapons too, and I think you can win with a so-so QB. Washington really didn't have a lot of WR assets this year and still pulled it off. Watch them draft a quality WR, maybe two, this year. That will amplify the problems; except for they might have shot themselves in the foot and ruined RGIII for next season. Smart move drafting Cousins too. Ride RGIII until he's shot, then Cousins is ready to be their pocket passer for years to come. With big name WR talent, they could become really, really hard to beat.

Harooni
01-13-2013, 02:34 PM
1 mill is fine for the backup he can't make much less being a long time vet. but he is older and we need some young blood

enter brady quinn as eli's back up

drewz
01-13-2013, 02:39 PM
On the long list of problems, this is near the bottom

bansaw
01-13-2013, 02:40 PM
lol Brady Quinn

990K isnt a lot at all

Toadofsteel
01-13-2013, 03:11 PM
If keeping Perriloux at 540k over Carr at 990k is the difference between signing Cruz and letting him go (Or Beatty for that matter), then definitely do it. Otherwise, don't worry about it so much. Eli pretty much is our passing game; unless we traded for Peyton somehow, nobody else could run this offense...

Harooni
01-13-2013, 03:15 PM
If keeping Perriloux at 540k over Carr at 990k is the difference between signing Cruz and letting him go (Or Beatty for that matter), then definitely do it. Otherwise, don't worry about it so much. Eli pretty much is our passing game; unless we traded for Peyton somehow, nobody else could run this offense...

kinda sad that it has to be that way. our cap situation is upsetting.

RoanokeFan
01-13-2013, 03:19 PM
lol Brady Quinn

990K isnt a lot at all

+1

Drez
01-13-2013, 07:59 PM
If keeping Perriloux at 540k over Carr at 990k is the difference between signing Cruz and letting him go (Or Beatty for that matter), then definitely do it. Otherwise, don't worry about it so much. Eli pretty much is our passing game; unless we traded for Peyton somehow, nobody else could run this offense...
Again, what do people see in Perrilloux?

Toadofsteel
01-13-2013, 09:21 PM
Again, what do people see in Perrilloux?

Someone that's cheaper than Carr.

Like I said in my previous post: Carr is not going to win us any games and can't run this offense anyway. If Eli goes down for any extended period of time we're screwed for that season. Might as well save a buck while we're at it... we have bigger fish to re-sign like Cruz and Beatty.

Drez
01-13-2013, 09:23 PM
Someone that's cheaper than Carr.

Like I said in my previous post: Carr is not going to win us any games and can't run this offense anyway. If Eli goes down for any extended period of time we're screwed for that season. Might as well save a buck while we're at it... we have bigger fish to re-sign like Cruz and Beatty.
Carr is more likely to win us a few games than Perrilloux.

jomo
01-13-2013, 09:25 PM
I want to be born again as a backup NFL QB.

Giants5699
01-13-2013, 09:26 PM
Tebow is cheaper than Carr. Hate his mechanics and everything all you want, that guy is clutch at the end of games. He is designed for a back-up role. He'd probably play 3 snaps all season.

Toadofsteel
01-13-2013, 09:35 PM
Carr is more likely to win us a few games than Perrilloux.

This isn't about keeping Carr vs Perriloux, this is about keeping Carr vs Cruz or Beatty. Substitute a 7th round draft pick as a backup QB for all I care. Substitute Ryan freaking Lindley for that matter... We CANNOT let keeping Carr be such a priority compared to position players that, well, actually have a damn impact on this team...

Drez
01-13-2013, 09:35 PM
Tebow is cheaper than Carr. Hate his mechanics and everything all you want, that guy is clutch at the end of games. He is designed for a back-up role. He'd probably play 3 snaps all season.
Tebow sucks.

Drez
01-13-2013, 09:37 PM
This isn't about keeping Carr vs Perriloux, this is about keeping Carr vs Cruz or Beatty. Substitute a 7th round draft pick as a backup QB for all I care. We CANNOT let keeping Carr be such a priority compared to position players that, well, actually have a damn impact on this team...
It would never come down to that. And let's not act like Carr is making a ton of money, either. If we need to find an extra $300k to keep Cruz or Beatty I'm sure we can find it somewhere.

Toadofsteel
01-13-2013, 09:42 PM
A million dollars to ride the pine. That's some serious coin. It's only just a hair above vet min due to how long Carr has been in the league... half a mill could be saved in this position. That's Stevie Brown's old contract iirc...

Toadofsteel
01-13-2013, 09:43 PM
I'm not 100% against bringing Carr back btw. But if he's on this team next year and Cruz, Beatty, Bennett, Stevie, or KP find new homes, i'm going to be freaking livid...

RoanokeFan
01-13-2013, 09:45 PM
I want to be born again as a backup NFL QB.

And you cousin could practice sacks :)

Drez
01-13-2013, 10:04 PM
A million dollars to ride the pine. That's some serious coin. It's only just a hair above vet min due to how long Carr has been in the league... half a mill could be saved in this position. That's Stevie Brown's old contract iirc...
Actually, it isn't a lot of money. And is the potential savings worth having a QB that doesn't know the system?

nycisgreat
01-14-2013, 08:48 PM
How much do you think you'll save? $900K isn't that much in NFL land.

There will be some competition in camp

+101.98, you are not going to get much savings there. David Carr to me never really got a shot in Houston. Getting drafted by an expansion team is rarely the best situation to be in..

jomo
01-14-2013, 10:31 PM
+101.98, you are not going to get much savings there. David Carr to me never really got a shot in Houston. Getting drafted by an expansion team is rarely the best situation to be in..He hasn't looked very good for us either. Perhaps he is the common denominator? That said I agree that there isn't much to be saved by going in another direction and at least we know him.