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giantsfan420
01-12-2013, 07:38 PM
One thing you see offenses like New England, Denver, Green Bay, pretty much the better offenses through the air, all have well designed 4-5 yard short pass plays. The are high %, and can be based on a number of ways to exploit the D, such as body positioning or quick double moves, having crossing routes set picks in the zone the ball will go to...basically watch Denver, NE, GB, and notice how they can be just as effective with the short stuff as the long stuff.

And it confuses me bc in SB 46, we often moved the ball downfield with those shorter routes to the flats, and TE's...so I know KG is at least cognizant of it. The games our offense was shut down, it felt like we were relying on the same patterns that were putting us in the hole we were in, we never seemed to mix things up. and that baffles me bc eli can break down defenses. he doesnt get that chance when 3 of 4 routes are all downfield with their back to Eli, and he holds on and either takes a sack or forces it for bad news...didnt seem like we used bennett enough imo, thats 1 way i thought we could have taken advantage of those quicker passing plays, but we used bennett downfield as much as underneath when he wasnt blocking. oh well, hope they implement more of those kind of passing plays this offseason.

drewz
01-12-2013, 07:41 PM
Screen, dumps to the RB, TE.. basically any play that doesn't rely on going 10+ yards out

Rudyy
01-12-2013, 07:43 PM
Consistency.

WiIdcat
01-12-2013, 07:44 PM
QB play. Eli has always been streaky. He could use a real RT... that wouldn't hurt.

Rat_bastich
01-13-2013, 02:50 AM
Consistency.

That pretty much sums it up.

One game they can run, the next they can't. One game Eli throws into small windows, the other he couldn't hit the ground if he aimed. One game David Wilson kills the opposing team and the next Bradshaw gets most of the carries. They are the Keystone Cops of the NFL.

BROADWAYSTORM
01-13-2013, 03:18 AM
I agree the short and intermediate passing game is extremely erratic. If Hakeem doesn't play it is very anemic. We need more use from the Tight end. I don't know why but despite Bennett looking good he still never made a big play when it counted and didn't overpower people. We rely too much on the long ball and big play. That's the main thing. We do not throw any screens whatsoever. Not since Tiki's hayday. And our offensive line, while good pass protecting and not allowing sacks does seem to get overpowered when trying to run block. Despite that we score a lot of points. So imagine if we cleaned things up. Also, the offense is too complicated. Water it down and concentrate on executing. The offense always does well when they dumb it down. I'm not a fan of too many option routes. Specially when your quarterback outsmarts himself and is one step ahead of the receivers.

Bing Crosby
01-13-2013, 03:30 AM
Consistency.

+1

G-Men Surg.
01-13-2013, 04:18 AM
I do see the Giants missing the consistency a solid O-line can give. I miss the strong, hard nose, hard will O-line we had some 5 years ago and as we all know you build a championship franchise from the inside out or in other words you start to build the trenches, the foundation. That been said I'm very concern seeing our actual situation having an aging O-line and some unsigned important FA like Beatty and Boothe staring down the path of probably walking away for " greener pastures " . Again I have a real and plausible concern about our O-line.

nygfanmaybe
01-13-2013, 05:49 AM
I do see the Giants missing the consistency a solid O-line can give. I miss the strong, hard nose, hard will O-line we had some 5 years ago and as we all know you build a championship franchise from the inside out or in other words you start to build the trenches, the foundation. That been said I'm very concern seeing our actual situation having an aging O-line and some unsigned important FA like Beatty and Boothe staring down the path of probably walking away for " greener pastures " . Again I have a real and plausible concern about our O-line.

I agree with the O-line play being inconsistent. Even the guys playing the positions were changing from week to week due to injury...but that is life in the NFL...injuries, that is.

If I were given free reign to select people to make the Giants better, you would see a lot more big boys roaming the streets of NYC. They would play on both sides of the ball and would allow us to avg. 4 ypc and not allow the other team to avg. over 3 ypc....and lead the league in sacks.

That's the ticket.

Captain Chaos
01-13-2013, 06:15 AM
The play of the O-line, they couldn't move any D off the line when they really needed to. Everything starts there and works its way out, limited time in the pocket for Eli etc. Fix that and you fix a ton of things. Scheme wise, they need to change things up a little, just as all the players know what we are doing all of the other teams do as well.

Red Dog
01-13-2013, 07:54 AM
:What's missing from our offense that you see in the consistent offenses? "Not to sound curt but what's missing is consistency! Why up and awesomely scoring one week and stinking out the place the following week. Inconsistent preparation on the coaches, on the players, all of them? It seems to start with the receivers and Eli, drops, routes, or throws off the mark. Game opens, Cruz or Nicks drop balls or can't get separation, no offense for that game, just observations on my part.

JesseJames
01-13-2013, 09:33 AM
our O line was totally ineffective when it was needed and when that happens its up to the OC to come up with some plays that gives the offense a different look and that should throw defenses off their game a little but enough for us to get something going on offense, didn't happen and never does...

Redeyejedi
01-13-2013, 09:39 AM
O Line was worse last year ,biggest difference was Nicks. I dont know how anyone can think different . Watch Nicks last year than watch the Giants Offense this year it will become very clear