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BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:01 PM
We have only made the playoffs once in the past 4 seasons?

Something on the coaching needs to change. I don't think necessarily the people need to change, but the attitude of the coaches need to change. Coughlin is determined to play a smash mouth style of football with personnel that is incapable of playing the way he wants. We should be running a very up-tempo offense giving Eli free reign but also giving the defense little time to adjust. I feel that Coughlin and Gilbride are forcing this offense to play what they want instead of the best option that fits our players. Our defense on the other hand, needs to be more aggressive Put it this way, we need more Stevie Brown's and less Corey Webster's. What im saying is we need to pursue more players with a knack for turnovers,aggressive mentality, and ball hawking. Besides JPP, our D Line is getting a bit older. I feel we should pursue a linebacker similar to Von Miller. He can sack the quarterback, but also play the outside linebacker position very efficiently. This would fill the hole we have at linebacker and at a pass rushing position. In conclusion, these are the changes I feel would be best for the team.


P.S: Please take into consideration that this is my opinion and is not meant for anyone to be pleased or displeased with it.

Feel free to post your opinions as well :)

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 10:02 PM
Lol a linebacker similar to Von Miller? Yea those guys arent exactly abundant.

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:09 PM
Terell suggs

Aldon smith

Von miller

James Harrison

Demarcus Ware

Clay Matthews

Tamba Hali

Anthony Spencer

Shaun Phillips

Mario Williams

How are they not abundant? Many of the best pass rushers are outside linebackers

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:10 PM
And add ryan Kerrigan to that list

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:11 PM
The funny thing is, they all had more sacks than JPP. not dissing jpp

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 10:13 PM
Terell suggs

Aldon smith

Von miller

James Harrison

Demarcus Ware

Clay Matthews

Tamba Hali

Anthony Spencer

Shaun Phillips

How are they not abundant? Many of the best pass rushers are outside linebackers

None of those guys are as good as Miller, but anyway, so you want the giants to add a 3-4 outside linebacker? To do what, exactly?

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:14 PM
To fill the hole at both linebacker and a pass rusher

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 10:17 PM
To fill the hole at both linebacker and a pass rusher


You do realize almost all of the players you listed were defensive ends in college.


And if you want to add one player to do both, then you are just adding a player to do either situationally. Von Miller for instance lines up as a normal linebacker on run downs, but as a DE on passing downs.

But if the opposing team decides to pass out of a run formation, or on early downs, Von Miller is not rushing the QB, and Denver loses its best pass rusher to playing coverage.

Toadofsteel
01-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Dude, we run a 4-3 system. We need 4-3 DE to get more pass rushers. Tuck and Osi ain't cutting it anymore.

People are so fixated on the way we were in 1986, and don't seem to realize that 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE aren't exactly interchangeable...

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:18 PM
Im not expecting him to be a straight out pass rusher every down, but it would give us some flexibility

slipknottin
01-12-2013, 10:19 PM
Im not expecting him to be a straight out pass rusher every down, but it would give us some flexibility

You mean like what Kiwi does?

Wouldnt it be easier to just add a good pass rusher and a good linebacker? That way you dont have two guys who can do their jobs on every play

BLUDude92
01-12-2013, 10:26 PM
Well that's why its called an opinion and I think it would work effectively. Oh and Btw love the profile pic, its from one of my favorite movies :D

Mlerman17
01-12-2013, 10:28 PM
Dion Jordan can play that type of role but would have to stand up on third down.

greenca190
01-13-2013, 01:10 AM
You mean like what Kiwi does?

Wouldnt it be easier to just add a good pass rusher and a good linebacker? That way you dont have two guys who can do their jobs on every play


beat me to it.

we have who you are looking for in mathias kiwanuka. von miller's position on the defense is pretty much made just for him, in order to put him in the best possible situation to use his best assets. to say the Giants need a linebacker like von miller is basically just saying we should trade for von miller.

SweetZombieJesus
01-13-2013, 07:23 AM
We have only made the playoffs once in the past 4 seasons?

To be fair in 2010 they were 10-6 and missed the playoffs (and were inches away from locking up the division before THE COLLAPSE).

I'm concerned we've narrowly missed the playoffs in the other two years but I'm more concerned about the second half collapses in general, it's happened literally every year under Coughlin and he's clueless about how to fix it.

Drez
01-13-2013, 07:38 AM
Terell suggs

Aldon smith

Von miller

James Harrison

Demarcus Ware

Clay Matthews

Tamba Hali

Anthony Spencer

Shaun Phillips

Mario Williams

How are they not abundant? Many of the best pass rushers are outside linebackers
Aren't just about all those guys 34 LBs, DEs that converted to LB, or LBs that are getting converted to DEs?

Those are some poor examples unless you are advocating switching to a 34.

BLUDude92
01-13-2013, 10:18 AM
My bad, i just meant pass rushing linebackers in general

BLUDude92
01-13-2013, 10:20 AM
He is just completely oblivious to making adjustments

brad
01-13-2013, 10:47 AM
We have only made the playoffs once in the past 4 seasons?

Something on the coaching needs to change. I don't think necessarily the people need to change, but the attitude of the coaches need to change. Coughlin is determined to play a smash mouth style of football with personnel that is incapable of playing the way he wants. We should be running a very up-tempo offense giving Eli free reign but also giving the defense little time to adjust. I feel that Coughlin and Gilbride are forcing this offense to play what they want instead of the best option that fits our players. Our defense on the other hand, needs to be more aggressive Put it this way, we need more Stevie Brown's and less Corey Webster's. What im saying is we need to pursue more players with a knack for turnovers,aggressive mentality, and ball hawking. Besides JPP, our D Line is getting a bit older. I feel we should pursue a linebacker similar to Von Miller. He can sack the quarterback, but also play the outside linebacker position very efficiently. This would fill the hole we have at linebacker and at a pass rushing position. In conclusion, these are the changes I feel would be best for the team.


P.S: Please take into consideration that this is my opinion and is not meant for anyone to be pleased or displeased with it.

Feel free to post your opinions as well :)

I wouldn't exactly call the Giants style of play "smash mouth".. in fact, it is probably about as far from that as you can possibly get. You can say a lot of things about the offense but physical, run first, and smash mouth are definitely not at the top of the list. However, I do agree with some of what you said, going with an up-tempo offense, at least at times, would be good.

On defense, I think the biggest issues are at DT and LB, not DE and secondary. They do give up a lot of big plays against both the run and pass and the pass rush isn't nearly as good as last year. I think a lot of that has to do with the LB positions, they are unable to shoot the gaps and aren't very good dropping into coverage to stop those short passes that keep the chains moving, forcing the D to stay on the field way too long. If you can do a better job taking away those quick passes and stopping the run, the QB holds the ball longer and the DEs have time to get to him.

Old Giant
01-13-2013, 11:03 AM
To be fair in 2010 they were 10-6 and missed the playoffs (and were inches away from locking up the division before THE COLLAPSE).

I'm concerned we've narrowly missed the playoffs in the other two years but I'm more concerned about the second half collapses in general, it's happened literally every year under Coughlin and he's clueless about how to fix it.

Personel changes to this guy or that won't make a difference until this issue is addressed. After figuring that out, start looking for people on defense that have dealt alot in college with option QBs.

NorwoodBlue
01-13-2013, 11:12 AM
With more and more teams running the ball to the left, knowing that many teams put a pass rush specialist there who's weak against the run (can you say Osi?), it seems to me that JPP is the prototype for Right DE now. They've got to become three down players who are good against the run. The LB on that side needs to be a disciplined guy with good speed who's capable to playing against Shanahan's option system. The right side of the defense can't be a pass rush only zone any more, especially with the RGIII's, Russells' and Kapernicks that are playing QB now.


BTW- there goes Osi's value in free agency too.