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Markroman
01-15-2013, 03:46 PM
Saw a stat going into this playoff where Eli's post season passer rating was better than his brother and Tom Brady.

Added to that is Eli's 8-3 playoff winning percentage...more remarkable given the 8 wins are on the road.

Peyton Manning considered one of best "regular season" QBs of all-time...has a losing record in the playoffs.

I make that distinction because the there is an interesting dichtomy with the Mannings....one is regarded as one of the great Qbs of all time and the other a very good Qb who some will say is very inconsistent.

Yet, in the playoffs it is the total reverse...one is dominant and the other has a mediocre record.

GameTime
01-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Peyton has been in 20 playoff games. Check Eli's stats after he has been in that many or even close to that many.
Not knocking either player......just sayin'......

Markroman
01-15-2013, 04:09 PM
Eli has just 1 less win than Peyton. Peyton also has played most of his playoff games at home and in a dome.

GameTime
01-15-2013, 04:11 PM
Eli has just 1 less win than Peyton. Peyton also has played most of his playoff games at home and in a dome.
yep I know....just adding to your comments.
The whole dome thing is overatted IMO. If it was such and advantage why has Peyton won more playoff games there??

G-G-GMen420
01-15-2013, 04:20 PM
5 road wins,1 home win and 2 neutral wins is Eli's record

BuffyBlueII
01-15-2013, 04:24 PM
Peyton has been in 20 playoff games. Check Eli's stats after he has been in that many or even close to that many.
Not knocking either player......just sayin'......

Eli wins one more playoff game in his 12th and he will have as many wins as Peyton does in 20..........just sayin'.......

Kruunch
01-15-2013, 04:31 PM
Saw a stat going into this playoff where Eli's post season passer rating was better than his brother and Tom Brady.

Added to that is Eli's 8-3 playoff winning percentage...more remarkable given the 8 wins are on the road.

Peyton Manning considered one of best "regular season" QBs of all-time...has a losing record in the playoffs.

I make that distinction because the there is an interesting dichtomy with the Mannings....one is regarded as one of the great Qbs of all time and the other a very good Qb who some will say is very inconsistent.

Yet, in the playoffs it is the total reverse...one is dominant and the other has a mediocre record.

I love Eli ... but all of his playoff wins have come in two (magical) post seasons.

Drez
01-15-2013, 04:36 PM
I love Eli ... but all of his playoff wins have come in two (magical) post seasons.
And that makes them worth less how?

Kruunch
01-15-2013, 04:37 PM
And that makes them worth less how?

As a body of work, compared to someone who has been deep into the playoffs the majority of his career? Not very comparable.

ShakeandBake
01-15-2013, 04:41 PM
Really, another Eli thread? This horse has been beaten so badly you are kicking the corpse. Tom Brady is on a completely different level, 17-6 playoff record with 3 superbowl wins arguably the best QB ever. Peyton's playoff record is most certainly worse than Eli's although he hasn't played terribly and if Denver's defense didn't choke, he would still be in it this year. Eli has the potential to be great, and I'm happy to have him as our QB but he can be inconsistent. I think Tom Brady and Peyton are a completely different level though.

BeatYale
01-15-2013, 04:48 PM
5 road wins,1 home win and 2 neutral wins is Eli's record

Yep. When I read the OP's post I was thinking there's no way Eli has 8 road wins, especially considering we beat Atlanta in New York.

Roosevelt
01-15-2013, 05:07 PM
I love Eli ... but all of his playoff wins have come in two (magical) post seasons.

Exactly. People need to keep things in perspective. And without Plaxico Burress hauling in Eli's passes throughout the 2007, we weren't going anywhere near that Super Bowl.

Not to mention if Eli didn't step up in 2007, he might have been out of a job the next year. Remember, Tom Coughlin had to answer two questions before the '07 season, how was he going to better relate to his players, and how was he going to get Eli on track.

Ruttiger711
01-15-2013, 05:13 PM
Exactly. People need to keep things in perspective. And without Plaxico Burress hauling in Eli's passes throughout the 2007, we weren't going anywhere near that Super Bowl.

Not to mention if Eli didn't step up in 2007, he might have been out of a job the next year. Remember, Tom Coughlin had to answer two questions before the '07 season, how was he going to better relate to his players, and how was he going to get Eli on track.

Why the "ifs"

The W's are W's - what perspective is needed?

Drez
01-15-2013, 05:29 PM
As a body of work, compared to someone who has been deep into the playoffs the majority of his career? Not very comparable.
So, you think it's more impressive to win 1 or 2 playoff games over several year than to win the SB twice?

TroyArcher
01-15-2013, 05:44 PM
Peyton has been in 20 playoff games. Check Eli's stats after he has been in that many or even close to that many.
Not knocking either player......just sayin'......

Crossing my fingers Eli gets in 20 playoff games.

Rudyy
01-15-2013, 05:47 PM
Do we all love Eli that much due to all these Eli threads?

Roosevelt
01-15-2013, 05:54 PM
Why the "ifs"

The W's are W's - what perspective is needed?

The fact that those two post-season's were pretty magical as Krunch stated. Especially 2007.

We're Giants fan. That type of **** doesn't happen to us. It happens against us.

All these 4th quarter comebacks are a blast, but the reality is that if you always need to count on coming back, you really aren't that good to begin with.

Roosevelt
01-15-2013, 05:55 PM
Do we all love Eli that much due to all these Eli threads?

Through no fault of his own, I now hate him more than Tiki.

Ruttiger711
01-15-2013, 06:07 PM
The fact that those two post-season's were pretty magical as Krunch stated. Especially 2007.

We're Giants fan. That type of **** doesn't happen to us. It happens against us.

All these 4th quarter comebacks are a blast, but the reality is that if you always need to count on coming back, you really aren't that good to begin with.

I see where youre coming from - had we won the SB this year there would have been talks of "dynasty" which is the furthest thing from what this team is. Very scrappy with knock-out punch ability.

Better to be lucky than good sometimes, but luck runs out.

gumby74
01-15-2013, 06:17 PM
I see where youre coming from - had we won the SB this year there would have been talks of "dynasty" which is the furthest thing from what this team is. Very scrappy with knock-out punch ability.

Better to be lucky than good sometimes, but luck runs out.

And there would have been some huge question marks from a lot of people also. Me included. Had we won this year, i wouldn't consider ourselves a Dynasty. Dynasties don't put on putrid performances on a regular basis for consecutive games.

TheBookOfEli
01-15-2013, 06:45 PM
Both superbowl runs were Magical? What the heck is magical?

There was nothing magical about our superbowl runs. Our D carried us in 2007 and Eli showed up at the right time to make the plays that needed to made. In 2011 Eli carried us and the Defense made the plays that needed to be made.

Eli in the playoffs is just a different animal. Face it, he was built for the playoffs cause of his personality. I'm happy he is our QB, just wish he had a coaching staff that knows how to use the talent around him and a front office to build an Oline that could block.

elitocruz
01-15-2013, 09:27 PM
7 OF THE WINS ARE ON THE ROAD (NEUTRAL SITE). BEAT ATLANTA AT HOME LAST YEAR.
Saw a stat going into this playoff where Eli's post season passer rating was better than his brother and Tom Brady.

Added to that is Eli's 8-3 playoff winning percentage...more remarkable given the 8 wins are on the road.

Peyton Manning considered one of best "regular season" QBs of all-time...has a losing record in the playoffs.

I make that distinction because the there is an interesting dichtomy with the Mannings....one is regarded as one of the great Qbs of all time and the other a very good Qb who some will say is very inconsistent.

Yet, in the playoffs it is the total reverse...one is dominant and the other has a mediocre record.

Rudyy
01-15-2013, 09:34 PM
What I found incredibly interesting is how the Broncos defense "let him down".

Hmm..they sure didn't let him down in the regular season.

I guess Peyton had a God awful defense in Indy as well? Which is weird because the Colts always had 10+ wins..every season. But all of a sudden the defense just all of a sudden collapsed in all the playoff games.

ShakeandBake
01-15-2013, 09:45 PM
What I found incredibly interesting is how the Broncos defense "let him down".

Hmm..they sure didn't let him down in the regular season.

I guess Peyton had a God awful defense in Indy as well? Which is weird because the Colts always had 10+ wins..every season. But all of a sudden the defense just all of a sudden collapsed in all the playoff games.

The Broncos had that game won had the defense had not given up that 70 yard pass to Jones at the end there. Otherwise New England would be going to mile high this week.

Rudyy
01-15-2013, 09:49 PM
The Broncos had that game won had the defense had not given up that 70 yard pass to Jones at the end there. Otherwise New England would be going to mile high this week.Are you sure? They had a shot in over time...

ShakeandBake
01-15-2013, 10:17 PM
Are you sure? They had a shot in over time...

They did, I'm not saying Peyton was great, he definitely screwed up in OT but the blame isn't all his.

Rudyy
01-15-2013, 10:48 PM
They did, I'm not saying Peyton was great, he definitely screwed up in OT but the blame isn't all his.Never said it was, but it always seems to be the "other persons fault".

EliDaMANning
01-16-2013, 09:49 AM
What I found incredibly interesting is how the Broncos defense "let him down".

Hmm..they sure didn't let him down in the regular season.

I guess Peyton had a God awful defense in Indy as well? Which is weird because the Colts always had 10+ wins..every season. But all of a sudden the defense just all of a sudden collapsed in all the playoff games.Peyton has the better regular season stats playing against expansion teams like the Texans every year but in the playoffs it isn't even close.


Eli is far superior than Peyton in big games whether 50 year old Giants fans like it or not. The choke job last week was what Colts fans saw every year except for 06.

Even in Peyton's SB run, he threw 3 TD and 7 INT. None of these grandpas will admit his defense carried him to that one SB. Even his numbers in the
SB win were meh. Not knocking Peyton though, he is a HOF in my opinion. He's just not the guy I would want in a big game. He was like that in college and the NFL.

gumby74
01-16-2013, 09:53 AM
Both superbowl runs were Magical? What the heck is magical?

There was nothing magical about our superbowl runs. Our D carried us in 2007 and Eli showed up at the right time to make the plays that needed to made. In 2011 Eli carried us and the Defense made the plays that needed to be made.

Eli in the playoffs is just a different animal. Face it, he was built for the playoffs cause of his personality. I'm happy he is our QB, just wish he had a coaching staff that knows how to use the talent around him and a front office to build an Oline that could block.

They were magical because we were garbage during the regular season, than all of a sudden we turn it on and win the SB.

Mercury
01-16-2013, 09:58 AM
I don't understand the complaint that Eli's wins all came in two seasons. That's a good thing.

I'd much rather come away with SB victories some seasons and an early exit others, when compared to consistently winning a couple of early playoff games and then out of contention for the championship game or SB.

Yeah, it would be fantastic if we would consistently win at least a couple playoff games, and sometimes the SB. But, I think you are kind of jaded if that's what you really expect. Most every fan of other teams would gladly trade places in regard to our playoff appearances and victories. Be thankful fans!

Delicreep
01-16-2013, 10:40 AM
They were magical because we were garbage during the regular season, than all of a sudden we turn it on and win the SB.

I think you are letting your desire to argue has gotten the better of you.

First off, take a look at the number of teams that went into the playoffs as #4, 5 or 6 seeds and won--all of them played like garbage? The number of teams that get hot in the playoffs and go on to win it all far out number the #1 and #2 seeds that win it.

As a Giants fan, you should be very familiar with this; sadly, from both sides of the coin.

Secondly, your argument about 2 magical runs making up all of Eli's playoff wins is _________. You understand that the result of the 8 wins is 2 SB wins...the ultimate prize in any season, right? You seem to be saying that you care if Eli has post season wins that don't result in SB wins--that runs that do not result in SB wins are the mark of a good post season.

giantsfan420
01-16-2013, 12:02 PM
Peyton has been in 20 playoff games. Check Eli's stats after he has been in that many or even close to that many.
Not knocking either player......just sayin'......well elis been in 11. so just multiply the current stats by 2 and that whole math j*** and then compare.


i found it interesting that of the 8x peytons been bounced his teams opening round (iirc it was 8, could have been 11x), 5 of those came when peytons team was the 1 seed. He been pretty bad in all honesty in the postseason. aside from the 2 runs which total 7 of his 9 wins (9-11 postseason record iirc), hes been absolutely terrible.
further, did anyone see the stats on peyton throwing downfield 20 yds or more in the air?? he's been horrendous from that aspect especially the last game.

its like eli and peyton represent opposite sides of the talent spectrum. peyton is dominant in the reg. season, eli in the postseason. peyton dominant on passes 20 yds or less and average at best on passes 20 yds or more thru the air, while eli is dominant on passes 20 yds or more (compared to his contemporaries) and its above avg on passes 20 yds or less. peyton is an extrovert in dealing with his teammates and calling out mistakes while eli is much more introverted and calm/collected and focusing on how his play helped/hurt the team.

Toadofsteel
01-16-2013, 12:08 PM
its like eli and peyton represent opposite sides of the talent spectrum. peyton is dominant in the reg. season, eli in the postseason. peyton dominant on passes 20 yds or less and average at best on passes 20 yds or more thru the air, while eli is dominant on passes 20 yds or more (compared to his contemporaries) and its above avg on passes 20 yds or less. peyton is an extrovert in dealing with his teammates and calling out mistakes while eli is much more introverted and calm/collected and focusing on how his play helped/hurt the team.

It's the Law of Conservation of Manning, in action...

gumby74
01-16-2013, 01:07 PM
Both superbowl runs were Magical? What the heck is magical?

There was nothing magical about our superbowl runs. Our D carried us in 2007 and Eli showed up at the right time to make the plays that needed to made. In 2011 Eli carried us and the Defense made the plays that needed to be made.

Eli in the playoffs is just a different animal. Face it, he was built for the playoffs cause of his personality. I'm happy he is our QB, just wish he had a coaching staff that knows how to use the talent around him and a front office to build an Oline that could block.


They were magical because we were garbage during the regular season, than all of a sudden we turn it on and win the SB.


I think you are letting your desire to argue has gotten the better of you.

First off, take a look at the number of teams that went into the playoffs as #4, 5 or 6 seeds and won--all of them played like garbage? The number of teams that get hot in the playoffs and go on to win it all far out number the #1 and #2 seeds that win it.

As a Giants fan, you should be very familiar with this; sadly, from both sides of the coin.

Secondly, your argument about 2 magical runs making up all of Eli's playoff wins is _________. You understand that the result of the 8 wins is 2 SB wins...the ultimate prize in any season, right? You seem to be saying that you care if Eli has post season wins that don't result in SB wins--that runs that do not result in SB wins are the mark of a good post season.

1) Very true. Recently, the SB went to teams that "got hot". I don't remember what people were saying about the Packers and Steelers when they won it as wild cards though. The only thing I can think of is that those 2 teams didn't have sustained losing streaks where they just looked terrible. In 2007 and 2011, we had stretches where we did look terrible. I mean, really terrible. Losing is one thing, but HOW you lose is important when it comes to people's perception.

Although I think 2007 was more "magical" than 2011. The helmet catch really was ridiculous. But regardless, the Giants have this reputation of inconsistency and that isn't doing us any favors. Since I'm a Giants fan and know this team inside out, i can't in good faith say that in 2007 and in 2011 we were the best team. We were crap for a good portion of the season.

2) I don't see how what I said has anything to do with Eli. I think you're mixing up what I said and what someone else said. Winning the SB and post season success is a team effort. I've been saying that all along.

GameTime
01-16-2013, 02:32 PM
well elis been in 11. so just multiply the current stats by 2 and that whole math j*** and then compare.


i found it interesting that of the 8x peytons been bounced his teams opening round (iirc it was 8, could have been 11x), 5 of those came when peytons team was the 1 seed. He been pretty bad in all honesty in the postseason. aside from the 2 runs which total 7 of his 9 wins (9-11 postseason record iirc), hes been absolutely terrible.
further, did anyone see the stats on peyton throwing downfield 20 yds or more in the air?? he's been horrendous from that aspect especially the last game.

its like eli and peyton represent opposite sides of the talent spectrum. peyton is dominant in the reg. season, eli in the postseason. peyton dominant on passes 20 yds or less and average at best on passes 20 yds or more thru the air, while eli is dominant on passes 20 yds or more (compared to his contemporaries) and its above avg on passes 20 yds or less. peyton is an extrovert in dealing with his teammates and calling out mistakes while eli is much more introverted and calm/collected and focusing on how his play helped/hurt the team.
multiplication has to bearing here. You just cant do that. What if you did that after Eli 1st playoff game......???
I like Eli....wouldnt want any other QB for the Giants..

Kruunch
01-16-2013, 03:47 PM
So, you think it's more impressive to win 1 or 2 playoff games PER YEAR over several year than to win the SB twice?

I think Peyton Manning's career is much more impressive than Eli's to date, yes.

P.S. - Fixed that typo for yas ;)

Drez
01-16-2013, 05:13 PM
I think Peyton Manning's career is much more impressive than Eli's to date, yes.

P.S. - Fixed that typo for yas ;)

So, you'd be happier if we only won 1 SB, but play in more playoff games?

Drez
01-16-2013, 05:13 PM
I don't understand the complaint that Eli's wins all came in two seasons. That's a good thing.

I'd much rather come away with SB victories some seasons and an early exit others, when compared to consistently winning a couple of early playoff games and then out of contention for the championship game or SB.

Yeah, it would be fantastic if we would consistently win at least a couple playoff games, and sometimes the SB. But, I think you are kind of jaded if that's what you really expect. Most every fan of other teams would gladly trade places in regard to our playoff appearances and victories. Be thankful fans!
Agreed. I wonder if people realize how ridiculously dumb they sound when they say things like that.

TheAnalyst
01-21-2013, 05:09 PM
Anyone have the list of this? Passer Ratings for the postseason?

Robert21156
01-22-2013, 01:26 AM
yep I know....just adding to your comments.
The whole dome thing is overatted IMO. If it was such and advantage why has Peyton won more playoff games there??
The "whole dome thing" is surely not overrated for piling up stats. Be honest - wouldn't a QB want to play in 75 degrees with no cold, wind, or rain issues?

Robert21156
01-22-2013, 01:32 AM
Both superbowl runs were Magical? What the heck is magical?

There was nothing magical about our superbowl runs. Our D carried us in 2007 and Eli showed up at the right time to make the plays that needed to made. In 2011 Eli carried us and the Defense made the plays that needed to be made.

Eli in the playoffs is just a different animal. Face it, he was built for the playoffs cause of his personality. I'm happy he is our QB, just wish he had a coaching staff that knows how to use the talent around him and a front office to build an Oline that could block.
A man with a plan!!! Build a strong Oline again and see if Eli looks like a better QB. We all know he's not very elusive, but he does get rid of the ball without taking sacks. Sadly you are so right about the front office.