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RoanokeFan
01-18-2013, 10:26 AM
http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/1/18/3880026/new-york-giants-positional-reviews-defensive-tackle-linval-joseph-chris-canty-marvin-austin

Excerpt: "We continue our series of positional reviews for the New York Giants today by turning to the defense for the first time. We will begin our look back at the 2012 defense and a look ahead to how the 2013 Giants' defense might be different by starting at the defensive tackle position.

We have already discussed the Giants' defense quite a bit (http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/1/10/3856100/new-york-giants-2012-season-in-review-perry-fewell-defensive-coordinator/in/3619645) since the 2012 season ended, and one of the themes has been that the run defense just has not been good enough. In 2012 the Giants surrendered 4.6 yards per rushing attempt, 26th in the league and not nearly good enough. In 2011 the average per rushing attempt against the Giants' defense was similarly awful -- 4.5 yards per attempt.

How much of the blame for that inadequate run defense falls on the defensive tackles? My belief is there are bigger issues at linebacker and sometimes with the run support from the defensive end position, but the tackles can't be blameless. Let's look at the players who comprised the Giants' defensive tackle rotation in 2012 -- and, yes, we need to go into this understanding that the Giants at times use defensive ends Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul and Mathias Kiwanuka inside in place of their tackles.

Linval Joseph (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108661/linval-joseph) -- The three-year veteran out of East Carolina has emerged as an excellent defensive tackle. He had 59 tackles, five for loss, and four quarterback sacks in 2012. He had a Pro Football Focus score of +6.3. PFF credited Joseph with 28 stops -- plays resulting in an offensive failure -- in 2012, and only seven defensive tackles made more. Joseph is a good player, but at this point not a dominant, Pro Bowl-caliber player. Maybe in 2013 he takes that step.

Chris Canty (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/3394/chris-canty) -- Still a very good player, but after eight years in the league one with questionable knees. He played well for the Giants 2012 with three sacks and five tackles for loss, but played in only nine games. He compiled a +6.6 PFF grade in his limited playing time.

Rocky Bernard (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2289/rocky-bernard) -- Started off well in 2012, missed a few games with an injury, and was never really the same. The 33-year-old Bernard has been in the league for 10 years and is little more at this point than rotational depth." Read more...

GameTime
01-18-2013, 01:40 PM
they need a bigger psh from their interior DL....
Joseph may take another step forward. They need a healthy Canty or a better solution....

RoanokeFan
01-18-2013, 01:47 PM
they need a bigger psh from their interior DL....
Joseph may take another step forward. They need a healthy Canty or a better solution....

I think Canty, if he can get healthy, is still effective. What about Austin and Kuhn?

GameTime
01-18-2013, 02:05 PM
I think Canty, if he can get healthy, is still effective. What about Austin and Kuhn?

I have hopes for Kuhn. I liked what I saw last year. He is one of those player who knows he needs work to improve and I think he will.
Austin....ur guess is as good as mine.

RoanokeFan
01-18-2013, 03:25 PM
I have hopes for Kuhn. I liked what I saw last year. He is one of those player who knows he needs work to improve and I think he will.
Austin....ur guess is as good as mine.

Austin just has to step it up this season. The "two years out of football" thing has worn out its welcome

JJC7301
01-18-2013, 03:30 PM
they need a bigger psh from their interior DL....
Joseph may take another step forward. They need a healthy Canty or a better solution....
I never liked Canty. I'm hoping that they can bring in better talent at both DT and DE.

JJC7301
01-18-2013, 03:31 PM
Austin just has to step it up this season. The "two years out of football" thing has worn out its welcome
Austin is done, IMO, but I give him every opportunity in training camp to prove himself. Kuhn? He'll never be anything more than back-up, at best. I saw nothing promising from the decent amount of play time that he had.

bearbryant
01-18-2013, 03:44 PM
Joseph-Good. Canty- too little for too much. Bernard- good depth. Austin- Wake up Kid, your window is closing fast. Kuhn- shows promise but needs weight and strength. We need a good DT!

RoanokeFan
01-18-2013, 03:48 PM
Joseph-Good. Canty- too little for too much. Bernard- good depth. Austin- Wake up Kid, your window is closing fast. Kuhn- shows promise but needs weight and strength. We need a good DT!

Do we move Tuck to DT and use Tracy and Ojomo in DE rotation?

embeshAtYa
01-18-2013, 04:51 PM
No way Tuck cant handle it

embeshAtYa
01-18-2013, 04:53 PM
Rodgers probly on last leg get a monster in there that is strong and dont get hurt

RoanokeFan
01-18-2013, 05:19 PM
No way Tuck cant handle it

Why not, he has played DT?

Rat_bastich
01-18-2013, 10:36 PM
I'm not sure Tuck could take the beating on the inside, though maybe DT might rejuvenate him. Kuhn I think is going to be pretty solid. In his limited playing time he has looked pretty good. Austin is just one of those miss guys I think. The door is closing on this guy and he might not make it out of camp this year.

We need DT's to eat up blocks and we need linebackers that can take adavantage of that.

Carter.525
01-18-2013, 10:50 PM
I like the idea of Tuck at DT.. he is good against the run

penguinfarmer
01-19-2013, 07:32 AM
There's a huge difference between being a situational rusher from the interior on known passing downs vs. being a full-time DT on both first and second downs. Tuck is only 270. He'd need to gain 30 lbs. just to be the same weight as the average 3T. He's been ineffective as a DE with a lingering shoulder injury. No way I'd subject that to a permanent position working in a phonebooth of space.