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KillaRich
01-20-2013, 10:29 AM
If the looney TE'O is there and Rutgers/Elizabeth, NJ's own Khaseem Greene is there in the 2nd.... I say do it......

LB core would be Greene/TE'O/Boley .... I know its 2 rookies...but we cant be any worse...Greene rotates with J-Will.....I always liked Chase but Herz will obviously be the backup MLB


Lose Osi no problem...Move Kiwi back to his natural position and watch him thrive....

then go O-Lineman ...Unless an O-lineman is BPA in the first..... then this whole idea is pointless lol

Carter.525
01-20-2013, 11:02 AM
not a bad idea.. but it should be Ogletree in the 1st.. then Greene or Hodges

Redeyejedi
01-20-2013, 11:05 AM
Moving Kiwi doesnt solve anything with the pass rush. If the Giants are going to take 2 LB's I would hope 1 of them could be a 3rd down pass rusher and a very good blitzer

giantsfan420
01-20-2013, 11:08 AM
Moving Kiwi doesnt solve anything with the pass rush. If the Giants are going to take 2 LB's I would hope 1 of them could be a 3rd down pass rusher and a very good blitzerogeltree did some pass rushing as a DE. I dunno if Id like picking Ogeltree. Do u think hes gonna transition to a MLB in the NFL or OLB Redeye? Id be upset if we took him to be honest.

Id rather OL/DL/Corner before LB ESPECIALLY 1 and 2 rds....

big blue dog
01-20-2013, 11:36 AM
i think ol is more important eli did not get sacked a lot but he saved there bacon by throwing the ball away when he was not getting hit but i do remember parcells drafting multiple oline in the first 3rounds when he first took over the jets so that strategy has been used before on aposition of need and i think they did alright with it.

WiIdcat
01-20-2013, 11:48 AM
Moving Kiwi doesnt solve anything with the pass rush. If the Giants are going to take 2 LB's I would hope 1 of them could be a 3rd down pass rusher and a very good blitzer

Greene has great blitz instincts and closing speed to get to the QB. 9.5 sacks the last two seasons as a starter.

Carter.525
01-20-2013, 11:50 AM
can Greene play the strong side..??

Redeyejedi
01-20-2013, 11:53 AM
Greene has great blitz instincts and closing speed to get to the QB. 9.5 sacks the last two seasons as a starter.I meant a guy that could play some 3rd down end

TheEnigma
01-20-2013, 11:56 AM
ogeltree did some pass rushing as a DE. I dunno if Id like picking Ogeltree. Do u think hes gonna transition to a MLB in the NFL or OLB Redeye? Id be upset if we took him to be honest.

Id rather OL/DL/Corner before LB ESPECIALLY 1 and 2 rds....

Ogletree is probably one of those prospects who needs to go to the right team and the right conditioning/weightlifting program to become a star MLB. Blackburn could probably teach him some good things before he would take over the reigns in year 2. Actually sort of comes off as the "David Wilson" of this year's LB prospects. Has the most upside from an athletic perspective, extremely young, and needs additional coaching to become more instinctual at the position.

I'd still prefer another pass rusher in the 1st and if we do pickup a LB, I want someone like a Barkevious Mingo or Jamie Collins who could play the Sam and always present a threat as a pass rusher from the outside too.

Redeyejedi
01-20-2013, 12:06 PM
ogeltree did some pass rushing as a DE. I dunno if Id like picking Ogeltree. Do u think hes gonna transition to a MLB in the NFL or OLB Redeye? Id be upset if we took him to be honest.

Id rather OL/DL/Corner before LB ESPECIALLY 1 and 2 rds.... Depends on where he ends up.If a team can keep him clean or doesnt mind giving up some against the run for increased athletic ability against the pass than he can play MLB right away. He can play outside anywhere for anybody.He needs to add some strength to his base until Id say he is a 4-3 MLB anywhere.

giantsfan420
01-20-2013, 12:08 PM
Ogletree is probably one of those prospects who needs to go to the right team and the right conditioning/weightlifting program to become a star MLB. Blackburn could probably teach him some good things before he would take over the reigns in year 2. Actually sort of comes off as the "David Wilson" of this year's LB prospects. Has the most upside from an athletic perspective, extremely young, and needs additional coaching to become more instinctual at the position.

I'd still prefer another pass rusher in the 1st and if we do pickup a LB, I want someone like a Barkevious Mingo or Jamie Collins who could play the Sam and always present a threat as a pass rusher from the outside too.thanks enigma. thats basically what i said, that he physically didnt look the part of a nfl mlb, too lean and lanky imo. some poster like accosted me bc of that statement tho so I wasnt sure. but yeah thats why id be upset if we took him rd 1. we need some guys to make immediate impacts and ogeltree desnt strike me as that as a mlb.

giantsfan420
01-20-2013, 12:13 PM
Depends on where he ends up.If a team can keep him clean or doesnt mind giving up some against the run for increased athletic ability against the pass than he can play MLB right away. He can play outside anywhere for anybody.He needs to add some strength to his base until Id say he is a 4-3 MLB anywhere.well then it would be moot bc with us, we wouldnt be able to keep him clean as a mlb esp with the dl as currently constituted. and we already have williams, boley, rivers, paysinger as olb players. hed be a nice new toy i just dunno i think we could improve the team better than ogeltree rd 1. rd 2 would be a diff story i guess

TheEnigma
01-20-2013, 12:20 PM
thanks enigma. thats basically what i said, that he physically didnt look the part of a nfl mlb, too lean and lanky imo. some poster like accosted me bc of that statement tho so I wasnt sure. but yeah thats why id be upset if we took him rd 1. we need some guys to make immediate impacts and ogeltree desnt strike me as that as a mlb.

He actually looked really good against Alabama and even stronger than Te'o did when it came to 3rd and shorts and goal line stands too. He will just have issues against run heavy teams with his current weight until he adds around 10 more lbs. The few times he did struggle against Alabama it was his lack of lower body strength that didn't let him make the tackle.

Meh, I think the Giants are going to take their chances on Blackburn and Rivers again instead of a Day 1 LBer but who knows.

miked1958
01-20-2013, 02:07 PM
Robert Lester out of Alabama is a senior. Although not sure if he will go to early on the Board before we pick. Not sure where he stands in Mock drafts..


Just checked and he must be WAY down draft boards for some reason. Didnt see him through first 4 rounds of some mock drafts. He seemed like a solid LB on a champion defense

miked1958
01-20-2013, 02:12 PM
One Mock I looked at had us taking Tao. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116rockwell.lynn@gmail.comAnother had us taking Jordan

gmen0820
01-20-2013, 02:12 PM
DE/Pass Rusher, and CB are the most important positions we should address.

Unless Warmack is on the board. I know most people wouldn't be stoked with a Guard in the first, but we need maulers on the OL and it'd be nice to get the dependence of the offense off of the skill position players who might get too pricey in the rapidly approaching future.

miked1958
01-20-2013, 02:14 PM
Off subject.. i realize this a a LB thread. but By the way they are projecting Barrett Jones (who I've watched for 4 yrs at Alabama) which I feel will be an excellent pro in second round. He won 3 Titles with Alabama at 3 different OLine positions. We could use a guy like this

Cloud57
01-20-2013, 02:18 PM
I think we should go Oline in the 2nd round

Drez
01-20-2013, 02:21 PM
If the looney TE'O is there and Rutgers/Elizabeth, NJ's own Khaseem Greene is there in the 2nd.... I say do it......

LB core would be Greene/TE'O/Boley .... I know its 2 rookies...but we cant be any worse...Greene rotates with J-Will.....I always liked Chase but Herz will obviously be the backup MLB


Lose Osi no problem...Move Kiwi back to his natural position and watch him thrive....

then go O-Lineman ...Unless an O-lineman is BPA in the first..... then this whole idea is pointless lol
I doubt Boley is on the team next season. He's a very likely cap casualty candidate.

gmen0820
01-20-2013, 02:23 PM
Off subject.. i realize this a a LB thread. but By the way they are projecting Barrett Jones (who I've watched for 4 yrs at Alabama) which I feel will be an excellent pro in second round. He won 3 Titles with Alabama at 3 different OLine positions. We could use a guy like thisVery versatile which would be nice here. I really hope our front office can overlook the fact that his ceiling, although not to high, still provides us a solid player.

I'm sick of these project tackles/turned guards/turned tackles again that leave us WITH NO ONE! The more solid guys we can get on the OL, the better we will be moving forward. If we do decide to go the heavy (pardon the pun) route of offensive lineman, it'll be a testament to how we approach the looming contract situations of Cruz and Nicks.

With either offensive dynamic, whether the focus lies heavily on the OL or the skill position players, I'm confident that we can be very successful. We've won with both formulas in the past.

Carter.525
01-20-2013, 02:24 PM
I think we should go Oline in the 2nd round

there should be some good linemen in the 2nd.. Lane Johnson, Dallas Thomas & Pugh..

giantsfan420
01-20-2013, 02:59 PM
Very versatile which would be nice here. I really hope our front office can overlook the fact that his ceiling, although not to high, still provides us a solid player.

I'm sick of these project tackles/turned guards/turned tackles again that leave us WITH NO ONE! The more solid guys we can get on the OL, the better we will be moving forward. If we do decide to go the heavy (pardon the pun) route of offensive lineman, it'll be a testament to how we approach the looming contract situations of Cruz and Nicks.

With either offensive dynamic, whether the focus lies heavily on the OL or the skill position players, I'm confident that we can be very successful. We've won with both formulas in the past.the more i think about it, the more id look to trade outta 19 (depending on what the boards look like near draft day of course) and get two 2nd round picks that can be used on 2 quality OL. maybe trade 19th for the first pick of the 2nd and a 3rd or something. spend 2 picks on OL in the 2nd. and 2 picks on situational defensive players in the 3rd. like pass rushing specialist DE and a run stopping DT...id be ecstatic with that...

slipknottin
01-20-2013, 03:03 PM
Greene and Ogletree both cant shed and are crap with their hands.

BROADWAYSTORM
01-20-2013, 03:19 PM
I want Kevin Red**** (UNC), A.J. Klein (IOWA ST.) or Bruce Taylor (VT) as darkhorse middle linebackers that can be had in the middle rounds. We really need to strengthen the lines and get another cornerback in the worst way. I don't want small linenackers that weigh less than 245 anymore. We already have Williams and Paysinger who are on the small side. That is enough.

RoanokeFan
01-20-2013, 03:21 PM
DE/Pass Rusher, and CB are the most important positions we should address.

Unless Warmack is on the board. I know most people wouldn't be stoked with a Guard in the first, but we need maulers on the OL and it'd be nice to get the dependence of the offense off of the skill position players who might get too pricey in the rapidly approaching future.

Games are won in the trenches so we really do need to have both lines in mind during the draft.

Buddy333
01-20-2013, 03:23 PM
They should go DE then RT or RT then DE.

Buddy333
01-20-2013, 03:24 PM
Greene and Ogletree both cant shed and are crap with their hands.Can they get Brown in the 3rd?

slipknottin
01-20-2013, 03:27 PM
Can they get Brown in the 3rd?

no chance. Brown is the best stack/shed LB in this draft.

Buddy333
01-20-2013, 03:29 PM
no chance. Brown is the best stack/shed LB in this draft.What about the 2nd? Go DE in the 1st, Brown in the 2nd, and RT in the 3rd unless they are able to find a good veteran for cheap. Then they can go S or CB in the 3rd.

slipknottin
01-20-2013, 03:30 PM
What about the 2nd? Go DE in the 1st, Brown in the 2nd, and RT in the 3rd unless they are able to find a good veteran for cheap. Then they can go S or CB in the 3rd.

Thats what I did in my mock, but Im not sure Brown will be there when they pick in the 2nd.

Buddy333
01-20-2013, 03:31 PM
Thats what I did in my mock, but Im not sure Brown will be there when they pick in the 2nd.Should they take him at 19 then? Think they need a DE badly though.

slipknottin
01-20-2013, 03:33 PM
Should they take him at 19 then? Think they need a DE badly though.

Just depends who is there at 19.

rainierjef
01-20-2013, 05:33 PM
Okafor at 19 is not an Ideal pick for Pass rusher. He reminds me of Osi and honestly, I am a big Osi fan but people complain so much about his inability with the run, Okafor presents the same problem so why do you guys want him so much?

Montgomery to me is a bottom of the first early to mid 2nd pick, he doesn't have an arsenal of moves to get to the QB, he gets stuck at times at the point of attack.

Dion Jordan is more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE.

Mingo is the only DE pick worth taking at 19, Kid can use his hands, has a spin move, swim move, dip/rip, Swat/rip, over swat and a stutter from the limited I saw, has speed and has not maxed out his frame yet, he shows some power and good closing speed.

He is the Only DE I think is worth where we pick; IMHO.
1.Mingo
2.Minter
3.Rambo
Would be ideal but highly doubt we are that lucky.

G-Men Surg.
01-21-2013, 02:21 AM
DE/Pass Rusher, and CB are the most important positions we should address.

Unless Warmack is on the board. I know most people wouldn't be stoked with a Guard in the first, but we need maulers on the OL and it'd be nice to get the dependence of the offense off of the skill position players who might get too pricey in the rapidly approaching future.
This !

G-Men Surg.
01-21-2013, 02:23 AM
can Greene play the strong side..??
I don't think so bro, he's a WLB in the next level.

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-21-2013, 02:25 AM
it does not have to be DE,,,we can get a good DE in the second or third round,,Not sold on mingo in the first,,he is not a three down DE,,at best he is a pass rush specialist in the NFL,,not worthy of a first round pick.

rainierjef
01-21-2013, 03:49 AM
it does not have to be DE,,,we can get a good DE in the second or third round,,Not sold on mingo in the first,,he is not a three down DE,,at best he is a pass rush specialist in the NFL,,not worthy of a first round pick.

Have you watched all his tape? he is definitely a 3 down DE he just needs to add the weight relative to prototypical 4-3 DE's

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-21-2013, 03:58 AM
Have you watched all his tape? he is definitely a 3 down DE he just needs to add the weight relative to prototypical 4-3 DE's

yes,,reminds me of osi.

slipknottin
01-21-2013, 10:36 AM
I don't think so bro, he's a WLB in the next level.

hes another run and chase type who can not stack and shed

Carter.525
01-21-2013, 10:56 AM
I don't think so bro, he's a WLB in the next level.

cant see adding another weak side LB then..

slipknottin
01-21-2013, 11:19 AM
Greene just checked in at just over 6'. 6004, and 236 pounds. Probably not good news for a player who already struggles to shed.

shocknaweny
01-21-2013, 12:13 PM
I really think it"s important to go OL in @ least one of the first 2 rounds because LT or RT's are extremely hard to find in the FA market.

nycsportzfan
01-21-2013, 12:15 PM
i have no problem going with 2 LBS in the first 4rds, but maybe not 1st 2.. I woulden't mind a K.Greene in rd 2 followed by Kevin Red**** in RD 3or4.. Red**** makes a ton of plays behind the line and greene can do anything on the football field.. Greene and Red**** would really give us a couple physical playmaking LB's in our starting unit

Kevin Red**** had a really good yr, when u look at it...

shocknaweny
01-21-2013, 12:16 PM
Off subject.. i realize this a a LB thread. but By the way they are projecting Barrett Jones (who I've watched for 4 yrs at Alabama) which I feel will be an excellent pro in second round. He won 3 Titles with Alabama at 3 different OLine positions. We could use a guy like this

I like Barrett Jones a lot too !!!!

nycsportzfan
01-21-2013, 12:18 PM
Greene just checked in at just over 6'. 6004, and 236 pounds. Probably not good news for a player who already struggles to shed. Greene has trouble shedding blocks? Seems to get pretty much anywhere he wants when i watched em.. Who dosen't have trouble shedding blocks sometimes? Be pretty amazing if LB"s could beat lineman 100pct of the time..lol Greene is a physical player, who can sack the QB and make plays in coverege.. I think his game tape is all he needs..

BlueSabbath
01-21-2013, 12:22 PM
I like Barrett Jones a lot too !!!!

Good thing about Barrett Jones is that he's played RG, center and left tackle... and been great at each.

miked1958
01-21-2013, 10:05 PM
Good thing about Barrett Jones is that he's played RG, center and left tackle... and been great at each.yes. Giants should make it there business to go out and get this guy. He could be the an anchor on our 0-Line for the next 10/12 years. A guy we can build around

slipknottin
01-21-2013, 10:07 PM
Greene has trouble shedding blocks? Seems to get pretty much anywhere he wants when i watched em.. Who dosen't have trouble shedding blocks sometimes? Be pretty amazing if LB"s could beat lineman 100pct of the time..lol Greene is a physical player, who can sack the QB and make plays in coverege.. I think his game tape is all he needs..

He likes to hit, but he isnt very physical.

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 07:03 AM
He likes to hit, but he isnt very physical. He was teh most physical player in that bowl game against va tech,t hats for sure.. He was plowing through people, and played possessed and pretty much dominated all aspects... He was destroying guys...

I don't think Greenes got any issue with being physical, but to each there own, i suppose...

Carter.525
01-22-2013, 08:38 AM
Anthony Barr could be an option at SLB.. maybe round 2 or 3

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 09:13 AM
Anthony Barr could be an option at SLB.. maybe round 2 or 3 Back to school...

Carter.525
01-22-2013, 09:18 AM
Back to school...

did he.. wow, I thought I was pretty up to date on all that

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 09:53 AM
did he.. wow, I thought I was pretty up to date on all that Yup, a record number of underclassmen, but won't have mr.barr on the list.. He's gonna be a top 10pick next yr, i think...

Carter.525
01-22-2013, 09:56 AM
Yup, a record number of underclassmen, but won't have mr.barr on the list.. He's gonna be a top 10pick next yr, i think...

I think Van Noy will be a high pick too next year..

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 10:00 AM
I think Van Noy will be a high pick too next year.. Agreed.. Not to mention, with so many underclassmen, the class next yr might be a bit weaker, which can only help Van Noy and Barr... Assuming they don't get hurt, of course..

Redeyejedi
01-22-2013, 10:26 AM
Agreed.. Not to mention, with so many underclassmen, the class next yr might be a bit weaker, which can only help Van Noy and Barr... Assuming they don't get hurt, of course..I think Van Noy should of declared. Hard for me to see him improving his draft status anymore than he had it at the end of this season. He would of been a late first early 2nd rd pick. How much higher could he go. i dont see him breaking below the 20's

slipknottin
01-22-2013, 10:47 AM
I think Van Noy should of declared. Hard for me to see him improving his draft status anymore than he had it at the end of this season. He would of been a late first early 2nd rd pick. How much higher could he go. i dont see him breaking below the 20's

He's going to be attracting a lot more attention now too with Ansah gone.

Maybe he will fall to the mid 2nd so the giants could take him. Certainly wouldn't mind.

Redeyejedi
01-22-2013, 11:01 AM
He's going to be attracting a lot more attention now too with Ansah gone.

Maybe he will fall to the mid 2nd so the giants could take him. Certainly wouldn't mind. Id like to get a player like him that could Blitz and put their hand down in certain situations.

slipknottin
01-22-2013, 11:08 AM
Id like to get a player like him that could Blitz and put their hand down in certain situations.

The kiwi role. But with a smaller more explosive player.

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 11:15 AM
I think Van Noy should of declared. Hard for me to see him improving his draft status anymore than he had it at the end of this season. He would of been a late first early 2nd rd pick. How much higher could he go. i dont see him breaking below the 20's Ya, Van Noy probably should of declared.. I think Barr made the right choice though.. He could end up driving his stock to inside the top 10 if he validates this past season with another stellar season...