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RoanokeFan
01-21-2013, 07:53 AM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/21/cutting-ahmad-bradshaw-and-david-baas-would-cost-new-york-giants-a-combined-9-175-million/

Excerpt: "The New York Giants (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york-giants/), as we've discussed relentlessly here on Giants 101, have a lot of decisions to make this offseason (http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/20/new-york-giants-may-be-in-for-rocky-2013-offseason/). And not just what to do with their 26 soon-to-be free agents (http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/02/new-york-giants-2013-free-agent-list/), but what to do with a lot of their big contracts. General Manager Jerry Reese must decide if players likerunning back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://www.giants101.com/2013/01/14/new-york-giants-keep-or-dump-ahmad-bradshaw/) and center David Baas return in 2013, if their contracts need to be restructured or if they should be flat-out released.

In the case of the aforementioned Bradshaw and Baas, it turns outcutting them may not be a realistic option (http://snygiants.com/2013-new-york-giants/salary-cap-reese-giants-facing-winter-of-harsh-realities/) for Big Blue.

Bradshaw, who is scheduled to earn a base salary of $3.75 million in 2013, is also in line for bonuses tallying an addition $1.5 million. In total, that makes his 2013 cap hit an estimated $5.25 million. So … cut him, right? Not so fast." Read more...

Redeyejedi
01-21-2013, 08:25 AM
Well thats not happening. A lot of these contracts may be worse than we think we all these back door restructures Reese has done. I understand why he did it, your trying to repeat and keep everybody, but if it costs us are young players im going to be calling for his head.

Redeyejedi
01-21-2013, 08:29 AM
This team is in very serious trouble dont be surprised if the first sub .500 Giants team under Coughlin occurs next season. This team has loads of maxed out old players on the roster. The thing that bothers me is this roster could end up being stripped bare because the young players are going to get more money elsewhere because the Giants cant get deals done early.

Flip Empty
01-21-2013, 08:35 AM
Well thats not happening. A lot of these contracts may be worse than we think we all these back door restructures Reese has done. I understand why he did it, your trying to repeat and keep everybody, but if it costs us are young players im going to be calling for his head.
The restructuring enabled the team to win a title, though - that isn't good enough?


And these cap hits have been explained numerous times on here, I bet now that it's been covered by an amateur-hour news blog, people will actually pay attention.

brad
01-21-2013, 08:39 AM
While I would not advocate cutting Bradshaw, it may be worthwhile to see what you could get for him in a trade. That wouldn't eliminate the cap hit, but might lessen it a bit? As for some of the other players, some might be worth letting go, even if that means not having a very good team next year, in order to ensure that they can keep some of the younger players who have contracts coming up in the next few years.

I see it this way, they mortgaged 2 Super Bowls by giving up a few future years. If you asked me 5 years ago if I would agree to that I would have taken it in a heart beat. Well, it appears that it is now time to pay up. Hopefully they can do that and still remain competitive.

Redeyejedi
01-21-2013, 08:46 AM
The restructuring enabled the team to win a title, though - that isn't good enough?


And these cap hits have been explained numerous times on here, I bet now that it's been covered by an amateur-hour news blog, people will actually pay attention.Its fine but they need to cut bait now. If they let this drag on with some of these guys its going to take longer to fix the team. I didnt see anyone say anything about Bradshaws contract. I knew the Baas contract was horrible and they werent getting out from under him

bigbluetribe
01-21-2013, 08:49 AM
If anyone can continue to say how great reese is after seeing how so many of his contracts are going to kill us. Yes, he did get us superbowls but longevity and consistency is how you make a dynasty. Maybe if he knew how to get us favorable contracts and players not declining in their careers we wouldnt be so strapped right now and in a bind to sign our key players.

RoanokeFan
01-21-2013, 09:53 AM
Well thats not happening. A lot of these contracts may be worse than we think we all these back door restructures Reese has done. I understand why he did it, your trying to repeat and keep everybody, but if it costs us are young players im going to be calling for his head. He'll never sleep again :)

RoanokeFan
01-21-2013, 09:56 AM
If anyone can continue to say how great reese is after seeing how so many of his contracts are going to kill us. Yes, he did get us superbowls but longevity and consistency is how you make a dynasty. Maybe if he knew how to get us favorable contracts and players not declining in their careers we wouldnt be so strapped right now and in a bind to sign our key players.

Reese has done a great job. No one, except for fans, can predict a player's decline or injury.

RoanokeFan
01-21-2013, 10:02 AM
This team is in very serious trouble dont be surprised if the first sub .500 Giants team under Coughlin occurs next season. This team has loads of maxed out old players on the roster. The thing that bothers me is this roster could end up being stripped bare because the young players are going to get more money elsewhere because the Giants cant get deals done early. Since none of us has a clue how all of this works, why not wait to see who's on the final 53 in September?

slipknottin
01-21-2013, 10:05 AM
bradshaw and baas are the worst candidates for release because they are still early into their contracts.

gmen0820
01-21-2013, 10:15 AM
This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax. This team will be fine. We all need to relax.

laylow28
01-21-2013, 10:23 AM
Everyone is blaming Reese,but Kevin Abrams is the primary negotiator for player contracts and is responsible for managing of the Giants salary cap and player salary budget.

gmen0820
01-21-2013, 10:32 AM
Everyone is blaming Reese,but Kevin Abrams is the primary negotiator for player contracts and is responsible for managing of the Giants salary cap and player salary budget. There is nothing wrong with the contracts. Abrams is told how he is supposed to get the team salary cap situated, and he does what's told. It's not like he is throwing wrenches in deals to screw us up, while he snickers in the background at the sight of Reese being tarred and feathered.

BigBlueAllDay
01-21-2013, 11:29 AM
The Giants are simply financially committed to some players cap-wise already with how their contracts are structured. I'm not too worried about Bradshaw or Baas. They will put in the effort. It's not like the Bills getting stuck with Mario Williams or the Eagles with Nnamdi.

Buddy333
01-21-2013, 11:31 AM
Just eat these contacts this year and start fresh. Enough with the restructuring.

Cloud57
01-21-2013, 11:35 AM
Everyone is blaming Reese,but Kevin Abrams is the primary negotiator for player contracts and is responsible for managing of the Giants salary cap and player salary budget. Cut this guy! lol

joemorrisforprez
01-21-2013, 11:52 AM
This team is in very serious trouble dont be surprised if the first sub .500 Giants team under Coughlin occurs next season. This team has loads of maxed out old players on the roster. The thing that bothers me is this roster could end up being stripped bare because the young players are going to get more money elsewhere because the Giants cant get deals done early.

I trust Reese to handle this.....missing a postseason creates greater urgency for change than being the reigning champs.

RoanokeFan
01-21-2013, 11:53 AM
There is nothing wrong with the contracts. Abrams is told how he is supposed to get the team salary cap situated, and he does what's told. It's not like he is throwing wrenches in deals to screw us up, while he snickers in the background at the sight of Reese being tarred and feathered.

That's disgustingly logical

Cloud57
01-21-2013, 11:59 AM
if this team is exactly the same as last season players wise, we won't make the playoffs

Toadofsteel
01-21-2013, 12:01 PM
Just eat these contacts this year and start fresh. Enough with the restructuring.

I agree... enough with the Ponzi Scheme...

nycsportzfan
01-22-2013, 06:38 AM
I agree... enough with the Ponzi Scheme... I'm with both of u.. Seriously, these restructuring of contracts is gonna cost us alot of young talent, because there gonna get paid other places... Just stop with the restructuring, as we've played with fire anyways the last several yrs with this bunch, and even though we WON a couple titles, barley made the postseason both SB runs, and now alot of those players are even older and less productive.. Its pretty simple logic, if u ask me...

Buddy333
01-22-2013, 07:22 AM
This team just needs to get better. Yeah they won last year, but only with a little luck. They where 9-7 the last two seasons and missed the post the two seasons before that. Stop extending these players hat acoount for a 9-7 team. Eat it this year and say goodbye next year. Start fresh.

TCHOF
01-22-2013, 09:15 AM
Cutting Baas was never an option. Not sure why this author treated it like it was.

Jahh
01-22-2013, 09:26 AM
These articles seem to be taken right from a message board.

JB456
01-22-2013, 11:32 AM
bradshaw and baas are the worst candidates for release because they are still early into their contracts.

I don't think it is that early in Bass's contract. Doesn't he only have 3 years of guarenteed money and this is his 3rd year, right?

slipknottin
01-22-2013, 11:37 AM
I don't think it is that early in Bass's contract. Doesn't he only have 3 years of guarenteed money and this is his 3rd year, right?

Next year will be his third year. This past season was only his second. Guaranteed money is only a minor issue.

Signing bonus + restructured last season = 5 mil cap hit if he is cut or he stays. Next season assuming they do not restructure again his cap hit if released would drop.

His guaranteed money should already be gone.

He should make for a very possible release next season.

JB456
01-22-2013, 11:49 AM
Next year will be his third year. This past season was only his second. Guaranteed money is only a minor issue.

Signing bonus + restructured last season = 5 mil cap hit if he is cut or he stays. Next season assuming they do not restructure again his cap hit if released would drop.

His guaranteed money should already be gone.

He should make for a very possible release next season.

Thanks for clarifing this for me. Like many people, I get confused by these contracts. Could you let me know what website you got this info from for future reference?

bearbryant
01-22-2013, 12:17 PM
Next year will be his third year. This past season was only his second. Guaranteed money is only a minor issue.

Signing bonus + restructured last season = 5 mil cap hit if he is cut or he stays. Next season assuming they do not restructure again his cap hit if released would drop.

His guaranteed money should already be gone.

He should make for a very possible release next season.

Well, there you go. We pick up a GOOD O lineman in the draft and plug him into the line. Have boothe show him how to hike a ball, LOL! Man, you really can't write this stuff. " The Days of Giants Football" What a great name for a daytime drama series: starring JR as Dillio the Dealmaker, and TC as The Wise One the Old Disciplined Head Coach!! Take your lumps and get this franchise back on line. Thanx for the primer, slip!

Cloud57
01-22-2013, 12:49 PM
I'm with both of u.. Seriously, these restructuring of contracts is gonna cost us alot of young talent, because there gonna get paid other places... Just stop with the restructuring, as we've played with fire anyways the last several yrs with this bunch, and even though we WON a couple titles, barley made the postseason both SB runs, and now alot of those players are even older and less productive.. Its pretty simple logic, if u ask me...+1

slipknottin
01-22-2013, 12:58 PM
Thanks for clarifing this for me. Like many people, I get confused by these contracts. Could you let me know what website you got this info from for future reference?

Rotoworld and sportrac

sheli no more
01-22-2013, 01:00 PM
This team will be fine. We all need to relax.

Not sure what your point is? lol

RoanokeFan
01-22-2013, 02:42 PM
Well, there you go. We pick up a GOOD O lineman in the draft and plug him into the line. Have boothe show him how to hike a ball, LOL! Man, you really can't write this stuff. " The Days of Giants Football" What a great name for a daytime drama series: starring JR as Dillio the Dealmaker, and TC as The Wise One the Old Disciplined Head Coach!! Take your lumps and get this franchise back on line. Thanx for the primer, slip!

If you are going to replace Baas it needs to be a center unless they decide to slide Boothe over to center and that assumes he is here next season, which is doubtful or they think Cordle can handle it. Lots of moving parts in the puzzle

JJC7301
01-22-2013, 03:07 PM
I don't want them cut -- I think that AB still brings production to the table and will be less-injury prone next year when Wilson, and possibly Brown, get a lot more touches. AB will still see plenty of time on the field, but not as much. The guy brings a toughness and heart that this team sorely needs.

And Baas? Show me something better before thinking about cutting him. We won SB 46 with him and I thought he was fine in '12, at least in terms of pass protection. Draft our center of the future before even thinking about cutting him.

TCHOF
01-22-2013, 03:13 PM
I don't want them cut -- I think that AB still brings production to the table and will be less-injury prone next year when Wilson, and possibly Brown, get a lot more touches. AB will still see plenty of time on the field, but not as much. The guy brings a toughness and heart that this team sorely needs.

And Baas? Show me something better before thinking about cutting him. We won SB 46 with him and I thought he was fine in '12, at least in terms of pass protection. Draft our center of the future before even thinking about cutting him.

Good post.

RoanokeFan
01-22-2013, 03:34 PM
I don't want them cut -- I think that AB still brings production to the table and will be less-injury prone next year when Wilson, and possibly Brown, get a lot more touches. AB will still see plenty of time on the field, but not as much. The guy brings a toughness and heart that this team sorely needs.

And Baas? Show me something better before thinking about cutting him. We won SB 46 with him and I thought he was fine in '12, at least in terms of pass protection. Draft our center of the future before even thinking about cutting him.

+1

Ruttiger711
01-22-2013, 03:48 PM
I don't want them cut -- I think that AB still brings production to the table and will be less-injury prone next year when Wilson, and possibly Brown, get a lot more touches. AB will still see plenty of time on the field, but not as much. The guy brings a toughness and heart that this team sorely needs.

And Baas? Show me something better before thinking about cutting him. We won SB 46 with him and I thought he was fine in '12, at least in terms of pass protection. Draft our center of the future before even thinking about cutting him.

Same here...

Very easy to say get rid of someone if you're not tasked with finding a better replacement.

myles2424
01-22-2013, 03:49 PM
Geeeez, who can we cut without getting screwed????

RoanokeFan
01-22-2013, 03:56 PM
Geeeez, who can we cut without getting screwed????

All of the free agents

Toadofsteel
01-22-2013, 04:27 PM
If you are going to replace Baas it needs to be a center unless they decide to slide Boothe over to center and that assumes he is here next season, which is doubtful or they think Cordle can handle it. Lots of moving parts in the puzzle

If Warmack falls to #19 (unlikely but could happen), it is a possibility... that would free up Boothe to slide to C. Plus it would give Warmack a year to get acclimated with our system.

RoanokeFan
01-22-2013, 04:29 PM
Same here...

Very easy to say get rid of someone if you're not tasked with finding a better replacement.

A point we seem to miss as we slice and dice :rolleyes: