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wgsgiants
01-27-2013, 01:51 AM
This is the defensive end that has been linked to the Giants in several mock drafts. However he had a big Senior Bowl and if he runs well at the Combine then he will be long gone by the time we pick at number 19.

Rudyy
01-27-2013, 01:54 AM
Would be shocked if he were still there at 19.

Captain Chaos
01-27-2013, 07:08 AM
This is the type of draft move I would expect from the Giants!

Carter.525
01-27-2013, 09:49 AM
He will be gone before 19..

nycsportzfan
01-27-2013, 10:03 AM
Ezekiel Ansah Senior Bowl Stock


By Walt - @walterfootball
Jan. 27, 2013



2013 Senior Bowl: Ezekiel Ansah Stock

Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel won the 2013 Senior Bowl MVP, but the award could have easily gone defensive end Ezekiel Ansah. The BYU product was an unstoppable force. He embarrassed the offensive linemen trying to stop him, put tons of pressure on the opposing quarterbacks, made great plays to limit the running backs to short gains (or losses) and even strip-sacked Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib.

Along with Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher, Ansah made the most money at this year's Senior Bowl. He went from being a mid- or late-first-round pick to a prospect who could easily go in the top 10. I had Ansah slotted No. 19 overall to the Giants in my most recent 2013 NFL Mock Draft, but New York will be extremely lucky if he gets there.

Ansah's new range should be considered six to 19. He could go virtually to every team, given that he fits in both the 4-3 or 3-4. Ansah played outside linebacker in BYU's 3-4, so he would obviously fit the latter scheme.

Here's a look at every team in the 6-19 range, and whether or not they make sense for Ansah:

Cleveland Browns
Michael Lombardi is now calling the shots with the Browns, and he's a big proponent in building a defense starting with a pass rush. Cleveland is now running a 3-4 and needs a rush linebacker across from Jabaal Sheard. If Damontre Moore and Bjoern Werner are off the board, Lombardi could definitely consider Ansah over Barkevious Mingo or Jarvis Jones.





Arizona Cardinals
If the Cardinals don't like any of the quarterbacks available, they'll go with the best player on the board. Ezekiel Ansah could fit that and fill a need as well. Arizona doesn't have much of a pass rush coming from the linebacking corps.

Buffalo Bills
The Bills will be going quarterback or receiver.

New York Jets
The Jets have to improve their pass rush. Because Ansah fits both the 4-3 and 3-4, he would be a great fit for Rex Ryan's hybrid scheme. The Jets have to improve their pass rush if they want to beat Tom Brady. Drafting Ansah could very well do that.






Tennessee Titans
Sources have told us that the Titans will not be looking for a defensive end early in the 2013 NFL Draft.

San Diego Chargers
The Chargers will be praying for Eric Fisher to fall to them. If he doesn't, they'll consider Ansah if he's available in the event that they lose Shaun Phillips to free agency. Other players are also possible, like Johnathan Hankins, who could be rated above Ansah on their board.

Miami Dolphins
Ansah is a very strong option for the Dolphins. They desperately need pass-rushing help across from Cameron Wake, as they're in the same boat as the Jets. Beating Tom Brady requires putting tons of pressure on him.







Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Buccaneers desperately want Johnthan Banks. It's unlikely that they'll draft a defensive end in the first round.

Carolina Panthers
The Panthers are strong at defensive end. They'll be looking at another position.

New Orleans Saints
The Saints are transitioning to the 3-4 - check out this article about the four teams switching defenses this offseason - but Ansah still makes sense for them because he can play in that formation. New Orleans has to find a pass-rusher, so Ansah makes a ton of sense.





St. Louis Rams
Chris Long and Robert Quinn are the starting ends, so they won't be interested in Ansah.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Rush linebacker is one of the positions that the Steelers will be targeting in the first round, given that they need to find a successor for James Harrison. Ansah would make a ton of sense.

Dallas Cowboys
Anthony Spencer will be too expensive to re-sign for a cap-strapped team, so Dallas will have to find another pass-rusher across from DeMarcus Ware. Ansah could easily play left end in Monte Kiffin's 4-3.

New York Giants
The Giants already have enjoyed success with a raw pass-rusher, so why not another? Ansah isn't so raw as he is inexperienced, but the fact remains that the sky is the limit for him once he realizes his potential.

Redeyejedi
01-27-2013, 11:46 AM
Ezekiel Ansah Senior Bowl Stock


By Walt - @walterfootball
Jan. 27, 2013



2013 Senior Bowl: Ezekiel Ansah Stock

Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel won the 2013 Senior Bowl MVP, but the award could have easily gone defensive end Ezekiel Ansah. The BYU product was an unstoppable force. He embarrassed the offensive linemen trying to stop him, put tons of pressure on the opposing quarterbacks, made great plays to limit the running backs to short gains (or losses) and even strip-sacked Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib.

Along with Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher, Ansah made the most money at this year's Senior Bowl. He went from being a mid- or late-first-round pick to a prospect who could easily go in the top 10. I had Ansah slotted No. 19 overall to the Giants in my most recent 2013 NFL Mock Draft, but New York will be extremely lucky if he gets there.

Ansah's new range should be considered six to 19. He could go virtually to every team, given that he fits in both the 4-3 or 3-4. Ansah played outside linebacker in BYU's 3-4, so he would obviously fit the latter scheme.

Here's a look at every team in the 6-19 range, and whether or not they make sense for Ansah:

Cleveland Browns
Michael Lombardi is now calling the shots with the Browns, and he's a big proponent in building a defense starting with a pass rush. Cleveland is now running a 3-4 and needs a rush linebacker across from Jabaal Sheard. If Damontre Moore and Bjoern Werner are off the board, Lombardi could definitely consider Ansah over Barkevious Mingo or Jarvis Jones.





Arizona Cardinals
If the Cardinals don't like any of the quarterbacks available, they'll go with the best player on the board. Ezekiel Ansah could fit that and fill a need as well. Arizona doesn't have much of a pass rush coming from the linebacking corps.

Buffalo Bills
The Bills will be going quarterback or receiver.

New York Jets
The Jets have to improve their pass rush. Because Ansah fits both the 4-3 and 3-4, he would be a great fit for Rex Ryan's hybrid scheme. The Jets have to improve their pass rush if they want to beat Tom Brady. Drafting Ansah could very well do that.






Tennessee Titans
Sources have told us that the Titans will not be looking for a defensive end early in the 2013 NFL Draft.

San Diego Chargers
The Chargers will be praying for Eric Fisher to fall to them. If he doesn't, they'll consider Ansah if he's available in the event that they lose Shaun Phillips to free agency. Other players are also possible, like Johnathan Hankins, who could be rated above Ansah on their board.

Miami Dolphins
Ansah is a very strong option for the Dolphins. They desperately need pass-rushing help across from Cameron Wake, as they're in the same boat as the Jets. Beating Tom Brady requires putting tons of pressure on him.







Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Buccaneers desperately want Johnthan Banks. It's unlikely that they'll draft a defensive end in the first round.

Carolina Panthers
The Panthers are strong at defensive end. They'll be looking at another position.

New Orleans Saints
The Saints are transitioning to the 3-4 - check out this article about the four teams switching defenses this offseason - but Ansah still makes sense for them because he can play in that formation. New Orleans has to find a pass-rusher, so Ansah makes a ton of sense.





St. Louis Rams
Chris Long and Robert Quinn are the starting ends, so they won't be interested in Ansah.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Rush linebacker is one of the positions that the Steelers will be targeting in the first round, given that they need to find a successor for James Harrison. Ansah would make a ton of sense.

Dallas Cowboys
Anthony Spencer will be too expensive to re-sign for a cap-strapped team, so Dallas will have to find another pass-rusher across from DeMarcus Ware. Ansah could easily play left end in Monte Kiffin's 4-3.

New York Giants
The Giants already have enjoyed success with a raw pass-rusher, so why not another? Ansah isn't so raw as he is inexperienced, but the fact remains that the sky is the limit for him once he realizes his potential.

I really wonder if Walt actually watches the games. I dont get how he could say Ansah was an Outside LB at BYU. If anything he was an end but in reality he didnt really have 1 spot. He lined up everywhere from 9 to 0 across the line.

nycsportzfan
01-27-2013, 12:25 PM
I really wonder if Walt actually watches the games. I dont get how he could say Ansah was an Outside LB at BYU. If anything he was an end but in reality he didnt really have 1 spot. He lined up everywhere from 9 to 0 across the line. Eh, he knows what Anash's doing.. Hes wrote in fine detail about so many of ansah's plays , the way u only could if u watched the games during the season.. I woulden't give em to much greif for something so minuscule..

TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 12:41 PM
Eh, he knows what Anash's doing.. Hes wrote in fine detail about so many of ansah's plays , the way u only could if u watched the games during the season.. I woulden't give em to much greif for something so minuscule..

Don't really agree about Ansah translating to a pass rushing 3-4 OLB. Think he's best served playing at 3-4 DE taking on guards and opening up lanes for a more natural rush LBer but I suppose since he is such a raw player that he isn't "set in stone" at one position.

juice33s
01-27-2013, 12:49 PM
Don't really agree about Ansah translating to a pass rushing 3-4 OLB. Think he's best served playing at 3-4 DE taking on guards and opening up lanes for a more natural rush LBer but I suppose since he is such a raw player that he isn't "set in stone" at one position.
He'd be a bit undersized for a 3/4 DE, obviously he could put on the weight, but with his build he'd be a natural fit as a 4/3 DE, prototype if you will

TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 12:54 PM
He'd be a bit undersized for a 3/4 DE, obviously he could put on the weight, but with his build he'd be a natural fit as a 4/3 DE, prototype if you will

Would depend on the team really. Some 3-4 DEs sit around 300 like the Steelers while others are around the 285-290 range. Don't recall which thread but I mentioned how good of a replacement he could be for Justin Smith of the 49ers once he moves on to retirement. He could play strongside DE in a 4-3 too but I just don't see him being a team's primary pass rusher.

juice33s
01-27-2013, 01:00 PM
Would depend on the team really. Some 3-4 DEs sit around 300 like the Steelers while others are around the 285-290 range. Don't recall which thread but I mentioned how good of a replacement he could be for Justin Smith of the 49ers once he moves on to retirement. He could play strongside DE in a 4-3 too but I just don't see him being a team's primary pass rusher.
Yes strongside 4/3 LDE is his most natural position. If anything this guy might want to loose 10 pounds not gain 15-30. He's a natuarl athlete who had the ability to be a sprinter in track and a high level basketball player, not necesarrily a background that suggests he's at his best carrying around 300 lbs, his body would not be used to it

TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 01:08 PM
Yes strongside 4/3 LDE is his most natural position. If anything this guy might want to loose 10 pounds not gain 15-30. He's a natuarl athlete who had the ability to be a sprinter in track and a high level basketball player, not necesarrily a background that suggests he's at his best carrying around 300 lbs, his body would not be used to it

Yeah 300 would be too much but I think he'd be fine around the 280 range or even losing more weight like you suggest for a 4-3. I think we seem to both agree that he should play on the defensive line as opposed to standing up to rush the passer. That would also bring additional duties while playing in space which usually (does depend on the team) can include more snaps to drop back in coverage. I think BYU did a fine job utilizing the kids abilities myself with the defense they used but others might disagree.

penguinfarmer
01-27-2013, 04:01 PM
I really wonder if Walt actually watches the games. I dont get how he could say Ansah was an Outside LB at BYU. If anything he was an end but in reality he didnt really have 1 spot. He lined up everywhere from 9 to 0 across the line.

Walt Cherpinsky is not a good scout by any stretch. He built a successful website by quantity rich web SEO opposed to quality analysis.

Redeyejedi
01-27-2013, 05:17 PM
Would depend on the team really. Some 3-4 DEs sit around 300 like the Steelers while others are around the 285-290 range. Don't recall which thread but I mentioned how good of a replacement he could be for Justin Smith of the 49ers once he moves on to retirement. He could play strongside DE in a 4-3 too but I just don't see him being a team's primary pass rusher. Ive said this a few times but he reminds me more of Coples than JPP in type of player. Coples played at 285-290 last year about what Ansah is. Now Ansah is a little more fluid in the open field but in terms of flexibility and specific versatility "That might only make sense to me" similar players.

rainierjef
01-28-2013, 11:24 PM
Ive said this a few times but he reminds me more of Coples than JPP in type of player. Coples played at 285-290 last year about what Ansah is. Now Ansah is a little more fluid in the open field but in terms of flexibility and specific versatility "That might only make sense to me" similar players.

I think people refer to him like a JPP more so because of his limited time playing the sport and his raw athleticism. Comparing him to couples, I never looked at that comparison, but then again I didn't pay much attention to couples to begin with.

giantsfan420
01-28-2013, 11:44 PM
i dont keep up with prospects as well as u guys, how do u guys rank ansah compared to mingo? i been watching some of him since redeye posted some clips. he seems like he'd be the perfect replacement for Osi initially as the pass rush specialist while he's groomed into being a complete DE. I'd almost rather Mingo...is that stupid?

WiIdcat
01-30-2013, 12:53 PM
If 18 other GM's let the Giants have this guy, they are digging their own graves. JPP was one of the top 3 most dominant defensive lineman in the league in 2011 and as a result, received double and triple teams all year in 2012. With Ansah playing LE opposite JPP, you take one of the worst defenses in the league and make them easily top 10. Draft a solid MLB and Corner and it's top 5.

Mlerman17
01-30-2013, 02:48 PM
If 18 other GM's let the Giants have this guy, they are digging their own graves. JPP was one of the top 3 most dominant defensive lineman in the league in 2011 and as a result, received double and triple teams all year in 2012. With Ansah playing LE opposite JPP, you take one of the worst defenses in the league and make them easily top 10. Draft a solid MLB and Corner and it's top 5.I don't think ansah will have that immediate of an impact but I think solidifying the MLB spot and some improved play by web and hosley plus some new blood at corner can be enough.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 03:12 PM
i dont keep up with prospects as well as u guys, how do u guys rank ansah compared to mingo? i been watching some of him since redeye posted some clips. he seems like he'd be the perfect replacement for Osi initially as the pass rush specialist while he's groomed into being a complete DE. I'd almost rather Mingo...is that stupid? Completely different players. I think Mingo needs to be a LB primarily in the.NFL. He has to much speed and agility not to play in space. He could play some end in pass rushing situations. Ansah on the other hand is a Strongside end and more than likely a DT in pass rushing situations . Both have benefits and both have their drawbacks both have lots of untapped physical talent. Mingo is probably a better fit for the Giants simply because Kiwi and Tuck could both play Strongside end. Mingo could move into Kiwi's LB spot and provide a big upgrade in speed and agility.

WiIdcat
01-30-2013, 04:15 PM
I don't think ansah will have that immediate of an impact but I think solidifying the MLB spot and some improved play by web and hosley plus some new blood at corner can be enough.

He definitely won't have an immediate impact with the Giants, see the Wilson experiment, but I'm starting to like him more and more after watching the JPP highlights of 2011. HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE! Other posters have made the point that Van Noy had 13 sacks and Ziggy lead the team with 8 QB pressures so although he hasn't had the hard stats, he definitely made a presence. Too bad he won't be there anymore.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 05:56 PM
He definitely won't have an immediate impact with the Giants, see the Wilson experiment, but I'm starting to like him more and more after watching the JPP highlights of 2011. HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE! Other posters have made the point that Van Noy had 13 sacks and Ziggy lead the team with 8 QB pressures so although he hasn't had the hard stats, he definitely made a presence. Too bad he won't be there anymore.Van Noy had more Sacks because he had more free shots at the QB as a Blitzer. Easier to get to the QB when the guys up front are dealing with the lineman and U have to beat a RB or TE

slipknottin
01-30-2013, 05:59 PM
HE SEEMS LIKE AN EXACT CLONE!

Hes not. He is a much stiffer athlete, with less burst. But his long speed might be better.

Still dont think he will ever be more than an ~8 sack guy. Not that that is poor production, and he already plays the run well, and could be a very good strong side end or 5tech.

Just not sure he could ever be a premier outside pass rusher. Though when he does find a way to create space and get going, he is capable of getting to the QB awfully quick.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 06:13 PM
Hes not. He is a much stiffer athlete, with less burst. But his long speed might be better.

Still dont think he will ever be more than an ~8 sack guy. Not that that is poor production, and he already plays the run well, and could be a very good strong side end or 5tech.

Just not sure he could ever be a premier outside pass rusher. Though when he does find a way to create space and get going, he is capable of getting to the QB awfully quick. Tuck wasnt an outside pass rusher either. How many of his sacks went against Guards. His straight speed is good if he gets around the tackle in the B gap he can close on the QB

slipknottin
01-30-2013, 06:15 PM
Tuck wasnt an outside pass rusher either. How many of his sacks went against Guards

Yea, though I do think Tuck has slightly better bend to him. Ansah really just has to learn to use his hands, then develop some moves and counter moves off of them. All he has to do is create a little space so he can use his speed.

I think he could develop into a very good interior pass rusher, but he has a long way to go. His raw talent wont get him far in the NFL. Has to learn the technique to be effective there.

Adding Ansah could certainly help the pass rush, but they still need to find a true edge rusher. Undersized situational guy or not, bringing someone on to the field on those long yardage passing downs who can consistently get the edge would make a huge difference on this defense.

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-30-2013, 06:36 PM
ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Still think Ansah would fit better in a 3-4 scheme that utilizes smaller defensive ends like the 49ers. He's perfect to play the role of Justin Smith, eating up the guard and OT while the more natural pass rusher gets all the glory and sacks.

slipknottin
01-30-2013, 06:47 PM
ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.

I dont agree with that. Without JPP existing, Ansah is a first round draft pick. Its rare to see that size and movement skills. And it isnt hype with Ansah, he does a tremendous amount of things very well, especially for someone who has not played all that much

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 06:47 PM
ansah is nowhere near what JPP was coming out of college,,JPP had more playing experience and I believe he was a 2 time junior college all american who put up some gaudy numbers. ansah who has looked good at times, is seeing his draft stock rise not only because of athletic ability, but also because of the comparisons to JPP. ansah as of now is more hype than substance.

JPP was put in a better situation to get gaudy numbers though. He lined up primarily over the guards and even played some nose. The collegiate careers of the two aren't similar at all and the comparisons just come from the fact they are freakish athletes.

juice33s
01-30-2013, 06:49 PM
Sources tell Draft insider Tony Pauline that BYU DL Ezekiel Ansah is a "definite mid-first round choice and should be selected anywhere between picks 14-to-18."

Pauline continued the train of comparisons between Jason Pierre-Paul and Ansah, writing "teams feel Ansah has the ability to develop into an impact player on the defensive line." The BYU product still needs a defined position after playing along the entire defensive line in college. Expect to hear he is "rising" even more after great workouts at the Combine.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/0/nfl-draft-headlines/

ELI_HOF_NYG
01-30-2013, 07:16 PM
I dont agree with that. Without JPP existing, Ansah is a first round draft pick. Its rare to see that size and movement skills. And it isnt hype with Ansah, he does a tremendous amount of things very well, especially for someone who has not played all that much

there is no gaurantee he will progress,,its all speculation,,so as of now he is more hype than substance. nothing his soph and junior years,,only started this year due to injury. and to say this kids stock isnt up partially because of the comparisons to JPP is not accurate. article after article scouts compare him to JPP, JPP is helping this kid make money this draft.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 07:38 PM
there is no gaurantee he will progress,,its all speculation,,so as of now he is more hype than substance. nothing his soph and junior years,,only started this year due to injury. and to say this kids stock isnt up partially because of the comparisons to JPP is not accurate. article after article scouts compare him to JPP, JPP is helping this kid make money this draft. No guarantee any player will progress , no player is a sure thing. U take the most physically talented coach able players U can find and hope. If he wasnt being compared to JPP they would compare him to someone else

WiIdcat
02-01-2013, 05:23 PM
Van Noy had more Sacks because he had more free shots at the QB as a Blitzer. Easier to get to the QB when the guys up front are dealing with the lineman and U have to beat a RB or TE

Honestly find that statement to be total bs. If that was the case then why don't linebackers lead the league in sacks every year?? Ansah lead his team in QB pressures and pressures can be almost as good as sacks because they can either lead to another teammates sack, or a bad throw by the QB. I'm just saying with the athleticism that he has, how they hell do you block him one on one? I think he would wreak havoc opposite of JPP and the double teams he draws.

slipknottin
02-01-2013, 05:26 PM
Honestly find that statement to be total bs. If that was the case then why don't linebackers lead the league in sacks every year??

They usually do...

Apart from JJ Watt who had insane production from a 5 tech spot which is unheard of, the top 4 guys were all linebackers.

And it is somewhat different with the way BYU played with moving guys around.

Youll find in the NFL teams dont move their pass rush LBs around as much, just line them up against the same tackle most of the game and let him try to win.

They found ways to get Van Noy opportunities against lesser blockers.

Redeyejedi
02-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Honestly find that statement to be total bs. If that was the case then why don't linebackers lead the league in sacks every year?? Ansah lead his team in QB pressures and pressures can be almost as good as sacks because they can either lead to another teammates sack, or a bad throw by the QB. I'm just saying with the athleticism that he has, how they hell do you block him one on one? I think he would wreak havoc opposite of JPP and the double teams he draws.What does LB's leading the league or not leading the league in sacks have to do with anything with Van Noys production on BYU's Defense. Im talking about 1 specific player on 1 team nothing more. The Defense is schemed to get the LB's mainly him they least path of resistance to the QB. Van Noy gets sacks A. because he is very quick and fast coming around the corner and B. because BYU makes sure the lineman are tangled up.

miked1958
02-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Would depend on the team really. Some 3-4 DEs sit around 300 like the Steelers while others are around the 285-290 range. Don't recall which thread but I mentioned how good of a replacement he could be for Justin Smith of the 49ers once he moves on to retirement. He could play strongside DE in a 4-3 too but I just don't see him being a team's primary pass rusher.hey I love your mock draft picks! I know Williams got a bad rating but he looked pretty good to me on that TD Catch and I was at the senior bowl