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TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 07:17 AM
1st (19th overall) Datone Jones, DE, UCLA - This high? Yes because I'm predicting that this kid's stock will increase even further once he hits the combine and lines up with other DL prospects. Ansah is getting all of the hype (and rightfully so) but this kid offers better pass rushing ability off the edge and has more versatile ability for the defensive scheme Fewell likes to employ. He would be perfect at LDE opposite of JPP for years to come.

2nd (49th overall) Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida - This team could use a pass rushing presence from the interior and outside of Austin (potentially), no one on the Dline really offers anything of that sort. Canty is a candidate for leaving the team in the future with his contract and Kuhn seems like a rotational player at best. Why not take advantage of a deep class?

3rd (81st overall) Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut - He displayed really good coverage at the SB and has the physical traits to take over on the outside opposite of Prince once Webster moves on after 2013. Should see time in nickel and dime packages his rookie season and could be the candidate to have a decent amount of Ints as teams challenge him. Prince and Wreh-Wilson on the outside with Hosley in the slot would be a solid CB unit heading into the future.

4th (113th overall) Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss - Dynamic rushing abilities off the edge, he translates really well to a situational pass rusher at the next level with the ability to get off blocks and burst into the backfield but also has the potential to drop back into space and play zone coverage with his fluid hips. Obvious project to develop him into a 3 down player but offers the potential to be a very versatile and destructive LBer in a 4-3.

5th (145th overall) Michael Williams, TE, Alabama - I'm assuming we lose Bennett to FA here and Williams would be the perfect replacement to take over the run blocking duties that was provided to us last season. His stock rose yesterday as he made some crucial catches in the SB to show that he isn't just going to primarily play on the line in the NFL. If Robinson can pan out like Reese expects, we would have a good TE duo from this point on.

6th (177th overall) Vince Williams, ILB, Florida State - Yeah I know you want a higher selection at inside linebacker but let's take a moment to reflect on what Vincey boy did yesterday: He showed excellent recognition of draw plays, sideline speed to be a factor in plays, and took advantage of a popped out ball to get the interception. If Reese thinks he can find a late round bargain at the position, he's going to take that all day long versus the early round selection.

7th (209th overall) Mark Jackson, OL, Glenville State - Massive OL prospect that has good arm length and size at 6'6, he would be a developmental prospect that Coach Flaherty would love to get his hands on. Reminds me a lot of Phil Loadholt of the Vikings who just punishes his opponent in the run game.

TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 12:17 PM
You're a very knowledgeable poster and I enjoy hearing your opinion...but I'm going to be honest with you, for where we're picking your first two picks are horrendously garbage...back to the drawing board

Who would you like? I kind of wanted to veer direction from my first two selections (Okafor, Floyd) in the original mock and typically stay away from the most hyped 1st rounder this board likes (i.e Ansah and Ogletree) to give a different perspective on what the Giants could do. I'll stand by my 1st selection since Datone Jones offers a lot to a defense like ours which loves to put those kinds of DEs on the inside for 3rd downs but Warford might be too big for this Oline.

juice33s
01-27-2013, 12:24 PM
Who would you like? I kind of wanted to veer direction from my first two selections (Okafor, Floyd) in the original mock and typically stay away from the most hyped 1st rounder this board likes (i.e Ansah and Ogletree) to give a different perspective on what the Giants could do. I'll stand by my 1st selection since Datone Jones offers a lot to a defense like ours which loves to put those kinds of DEs on the inside for 3rd downs but Warford might be too big for this Oline.
I might of been a bit harsh the first time around on Jones, he was playing out of position (like Ansah) in the UCLA defense, but I think he's a bit of a tweener. His most natural position might be the 3tech...As for Warford, I don't think he has the athletiscm to play guard for us, Wilson would be half way down the field by the time he got around on his pull

juice33s
01-27-2013, 12:35 PM
Didn't pay much attention to Jones in the Senior bowl yesterday, but how did he look rushing from the edge?

TheEnigma
01-27-2013, 12:35 PM
I might of been a bit harsh the first time around on Jones, he was playing out of position (like Ansah) in the UCLA defense, but I think he's a bit of a tweener. His most natural position might be the 3tech...As for Warford, I don't think he has the athletiscm to play guard for us, Wilson would be half way down the field by the time he got around on his pull

The things Jones did on the field for UCLA just seem to translate really well for what this defense wants to do but again, he's only a 1st rounder in the event that he has a really good combine like I'm predicting. Okafor could still be our best choice for a DE in the 1st round (Don't see Ansah happening) but I wouldn't be upset at all if we went for Datone.

I'll probably remove Warford since you made a good case there and go back to Floyd for the 2nd since DT is really up in the air for the future with the exception of Joseph. The Giants love "garbage bin" OL FA deals so us picking up a veteran for the inside wouldn't surprise me.


Didn't pay much attention to Jones in the Senior bowl yesterday, but how did he look rushing from the edge?

I only caught the second half of the game but he seemed to do really well against his competition on a few occasions. Think he will create more pressure on the outside with power versus agility myself and should probably move inside on those crucial 3rd downs. That's why I have Jamie Collins in my mock because I'd like to see him on the Dline on obvious passing situations.

GOBLUE24
01-27-2013, 12:54 PM
While watching senior bowl practices Jones stood out with Okafor. I just dont see the Giants taking him that early. I rather Okafor personally but don't want a DE in the first two rounds. I want to see what Tratou and Tracy have as well as Kiwi moving to full time DE. Kiwi at Sam aggravates the heck out of me. This lb core as a whole is to slow to react and only Williams has speed to make up for it.

G-Men Surg.
01-27-2013, 01:17 PM
1st (19th overall) Datone Jones, DE, UCLA - This high? Yes because I'm predicting that this kid's stock will increase even further once he hits the combine and lines up with other DL prospects. Ansah is getting all of the hype (and rightfully so) but this kid offers better pass rushing ability off the edge and has more versatile ability for the defensive scheme Fewell likes to employ. He would be perfect at LDE opposite of JPP for years to come.

2nd (49th overall) Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida - This team could use a pass rushing presence from the interior and outside of Austin (potentially), no one on the Dline really offers anything of that sort. Canty is a candidate for leaving the team in the future with his contract and Kuhn seems like a rotational player at best. Why not take advantage of a deep class?

3rd (81st overall) Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut - He displayed really good coverage at the SB and has the physical traits to take over on the outside opposite of Prince once Webster moves on after 2013. Should see time in nickel and dime packages his rookie season and could be the candidate to have a decent amount of Ints as teams challenge him. Prince and Wreh-Wilson on the outside with Hosley in the slot would be a solid CB unit heading into the future.

4th (113th overall) Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss - Dynamic rushing abilities off the edge, he translates really well to a situational pass rusher at the next level with the ability to get off blocks and burst into the backfield but also has the potential to drop back into space and play zone coverage with his fluid hips. Obvious project to develop him into a 3 down player but offers the potential to be a very versatile and destructive LBer in a 4-3.

5th (145th overall) Michael Williams, TE, Alabama - I'm assuming we lose Bennett to FA here and Williams would be the perfect replacement to take over the run blocking duties that was provided to us last season. His stock rose yesterday as he made some crucial catches in the SB to show that he isn't just going to primarily play on the line in the NFL. If Robinson can pan out like Reese expects, we would have a good TE duo from this point on.

6th (177th overall) Vince Williams, ILB, Florida State - Yeah I know you want a higher selection at inside linebacker but let's take a moment to reflect on what Vincey boy did yesterday: He showed excellent recognition of draw plays, sideline speed to be a factor in plays, and took advantage of a popped out ball to get the interception. If Reese thinks he can find a late round bargain at the position, he's going to take that all day long versus the early round selection.

7th (209th overall) Mark Jackson, OL, Glenville State - Massive OL prospect that has good arm length and size at 6'6, he would be a developmental prospect that Coach Flaherty would love to get his hands on. Reminds me a lot of Phil Loadholt of the Vikings who just punishes his opponent in the run game.
Great talent all around but I do feel this years draft is an excellent opportunity to get younger on OL. Great talent at OT and G/C in the first 3 roumds and even in the 4 th if someone slips all the way. There's NFL ready guys in the first 3 rounds, I don't want more quick fixes, would be nice if Reese pulls the trigger on one stud OLmen.

Carter.525
01-27-2013, 01:24 PM
I like Jones.. could play inside or outside in a 4-3, he could be the pick

Carter.525
01-28-2013, 01:25 PM
looking at a bunch of mocks today.. Jones is in the 1st alot now

rainierjef
01-28-2013, 05:25 PM
1st (19th overall) Datone Jones, DE, UCLA - This high? Yes because I'm predicting that this kid's stock will increase even further once he hits the combine and lines up with other DL prospects. Ansah is getting all of the hype (and rightfully so) but this kid offers better pass rushing ability off the edge and has more versatile ability for the defensive scheme Fewell likes to employ. He would be perfect at LDE opposite of JPP for years to come.

2nd (49th overall) Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida - This team could use a pass rushing presence from the interior and outside of Austin (potentially), no one on the Dline really offers anything of that sort. Canty is a candidate for leaving the team in the future with his contract and Kuhn seems like a rotational player at best. Why not take advantage of a deep class?

3rd (81st overall) Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut - He displayed really good coverage at the SB and has the physical traits to take over on the outside opposite of Prince once Webster moves on after 2013. Should see time in nickel and dime packages his rookie season and could be the candidate to have a decent amount of Ints as teams challenge him. Prince and Wreh-Wilson on the outside with Hosley in the slot would be a solid CB unit heading into the future.

4th (113th overall) Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss - Dynamic rushing abilities off the edge, he translates really well to a situational pass rusher at the next level with the ability to get off blocks and burst into the backfield but also has the potential to drop back into space and play zone coverage with his fluid hips. Obvious project to develop him into a 3 down player but offers the potential to be a very versatile and destructive LBer in a 4-3.

5th (145th overall) Michael Williams, TE, Alabama - I'm assuming we lose Bennett to FA here and Williams would be the perfect replacement to take over the run blocking duties that was provided to us last season. His stock rose yesterday as he made some crucial catches in the SB to show that he isn't just going to primarily play on the line in the NFL. If Robinson can pan out like Reese expects, we would have a good TE duo from this point on.

6th (177th overall) Vince Williams, ILB, Florida State - Yeah I know you want a higher selection at inside linebacker but let's take a moment to reflect on what Vincey boy did yesterday: He showed excellent recognition of draw plays, sideline speed to be a factor in plays, and took advantage of a popped out ball to get the interception. If Reese thinks he can find a late round bargain at the position, he's going to take that all day long versus the early round selection.

7th (209th overall) Mark Jackson, OL, Glenville State - Massive OL prospect that has good arm length and size at 6'6, he would be a developmental prospect that Coach Flaherty would love to get his hands on. Reminds me a lot of Phil Loadholt of the Vikings who just punishes his opponent in the run game.

Okafor's stock might drop into the early second round. so I have no problem with your first pick, couple him with floyd that a good complimentary pick. If I made a mock off of yesterday it would of been K.Short and Dtone jones. my only question does his stock rise far enoguh to make the top 20. hes currently early-mid 2nd round right now i believe.
I would of liked it more in you added an OL in the 4th instead of a OLB, or another CB for depth/injury insurance.
all in all solid realistic mock. I like.

rainierjef
01-28-2013, 05:25 PM
looking at a bunch of mocks today.. Jones is in the 1st alot now
provide some links please :)

rainierjef
01-28-2013, 05:33 PM
Interesting find on V.Williams who i also was impressed with more so than the beloved Nico Johnson.

[ And after Lynch's pregame promise to have the Seminoles "on their knees" in the fourth quarter, at least one Seminoles defender was determined to drive home the difference.
"He's terrible," linebacker Vince Williams told reporters after the game, pointing specifically to Lynch's much-publicized confidence for lighting FSU's fire: "It motivated us a lot," Williams said. "That was straight-up bulletin board material. First of all because of how much success our defense had. We've been really, really good and nobody's ever said anything like that to us. So we were like, 'this man must have lost his mind." "What did he do that was good?" Williams continued to rail, his voice rising in pace, pitch and volume. "He didn't do nothing that was good, we were killing him." CBSSports.com ]

Vocal, not afraid to say whats on his mind. I like that in a LB thats the type of fire needed in the locker room. Rolle cannot be the only one anymore the defense needs more of those type of guys.

TheEnigma
01-28-2013, 05:56 PM
Okafor's stock might drop into the early second round. so I have no problem with your first pick, couple him with floyd that a good complimentary pick. If I made a mock off of yesterday it would of been K.Short and Dtone jones. my only question does his stock rise far enoguh to make the top 20. hes currently early-mid 2nd round right now i believe.
I would of liked it more in you added an OL in the 4th instead of a OLB, or another CB for depth/injury insurance.
all in all solid realistic mock. I like.

Jones has the versatility to play in a 4-3 or 3-4 (which has helped DL prospects with their stock), has good burst off the snap, displays excellent power, and has the physical traits at 6'4 and 275-280lbs to play at LDE for the Giants. He looked really good at the SB and like Juice pointed out earlier, he was in the same position as Ansah this year playing in a spot that isn't really going to gather huge national attention. People might disagree but if it wasn't for Ansah (who is arguably the most athletic prospect in the draft) flashing so much in the SB and taking the thunder as the next big DE prospect, there would have be more discussion about Jones in the 1st. I see guys like Sam Montgomery around the 20th area in so many mocks and don't see why he should be ahead of Jones when it comes to figuring out who will be a better NFL prospect. It's very possible that he should be a later 1st round prospect and not a mid 1st but I'll stand up for saying he deserves (and earned in the SB imo) a 1st round grade wherever it may be.

My 2nd pick should probably be changed to Sylvester Williams even though Floyd is the better prospect. Doing more research into Floyd and he seems to be a late 1st pick or early 2nd with little chance to drop further than that.

I've considered switching Jamie Collins for an interior OL prospect but I'm really a big fan of finding a good 4-3 OLB who can offer excellent blitzing ability and also cover RBs out of the backfield too. Kiwi at OLB was a good idea in theory but he's just not the player for the job.


provide some links please

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-DaneBrugler

That's just 1 so far but like I said in the OP: I'm predicting he reaches the 1st round because of a very good combine not only for the measurables and events but he will interview well too (I have a link of an interview he had in the middle of the season and he comes across as a very intelligent person with good character)


Vocal, not afraid to say whats on his mind. I like that in a LB thats the type of fire needed in the locker room. Rolle cannot be the only one anymore the defense needs more of those type of guys.

Thanks for the info and it makes me like the kid more. The fact he would be a late round pick gives me faith he would work his butt off to earn that starting role versus a possible early round LB who might assume he'll just get handed the job in our system.

Carter.525
01-28-2013, 07:39 PM
provide some links please :)

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/01/2013-nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-update.html

http://newnfldraft.com/cjs-2013-nfl-mock-draft/

http://www.nflroughdraft.com/node/3

rainierjef
01-28-2013, 08:05 PM
Hmm... I had no idea he jumped that far in just one senior bowl game. I mocked him before the bowl game in the second round I think before most non informed knew who the kid was. Kind of happy he helped himself that much but was hoping he did just enough to be a value in the 2nd round where he would be available to us; call me greedy I guess.

So the question is and highly improbable but sertainly not impossible.
If Ansah is on the board along with Jones.
Not who is the BPA pick but who is the better pick for what we are trying to do right now?

Jones is a more polished DE with the ability to play DT
Ansah is typicallly JPP ( Raw but talented with a relenteless motor)

The thing with players like JPP is that they exploded on the scene with raw talent and get the best of the opposition, up until they game play to neutralize them, then they kind of hit a wall, as we saw this year with Paul. Do we need another Raw player who has trememdous upside or the more polished player with good upside, and a possible faster ability to improve his craft, during the season.

I know this is not the pouplar thought process on these boards when it comes to Ziggy, but I want to look at all sectors of whats the best option at 19.