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RoanokeFan
01-27-2013, 01:34 PM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/01/giants_must_handle_new_wave_of.html

Excerpt: "One of the Giants’ division opponents has a 22-year-old quarterback who led his team to the playoffs and was voted to the Pro Bowl while running a read-option scheme. Another of their NFC foes just hired a coach who made college football legend with his fast-paced spread offensive attack.

This offseason, they face a question now prevalent around the NFL: How, and how much, do they adjust to the wave of new offenses in the league?

Their answers could affect coaching, strategy, personnel — and even staffing. The Giants now have one opening on their defensive staff, with defensive assistant Al Holcomb departing for the Panthers, and may look for a replacement from the Division 1 ranks who has experience defending against the read-option, according to a person familiar with their thinking.

The new trend of offenses passed up from the college ranks happens to be concentrated in the NFC, starting with the conference’s representative in this year’s Super Bowl. San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick, Carolina’s Cam Newton and Seattle’s Russell Wilson are among the class of dual-threat quarterbacks, and as referenced above, Washington’s Robert Griffin III and new Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly are changing the NFC East in particular.

So the Giants may face college-style offenses upwards of four times in a 16-game season — depending on Griffin’s health and availability next season, and the system Kelly installs with the Eagles. That’s no small percentage.

"They can definitely be the ultimate weapon, if you can keep ’em healthy," Giants general manager Jerry Reese said of the new wave of quarterbacks."

Does that mean the Giants need to change their weapons on defense, or their approach? The Giants have won two Super Bowl titles in the past five years with a defense based around a relentless pass rush, but their stable of defensive linemen expressed frustration this season at quarterbacks like Griffin weakening their strong suit.

Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross said the new offensive trends in the NFL won’t change the Giants’ mindset for the draft, or the premium they place on pass rushers. He also tempered the notion that teams necessarily need smaller and faster players now, noting that teams such as Washington, Seattle and San Francisco field powerful run games outside their read-option schemes.

"Stick with what we do. We don’t worry about what other teams do, we draft the best players for us," Ross said last week, during a practice for the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. "And we think from that, we’ll be able to defend those kind of new-wave offenses. Last year, even the team we have now, we think we have the personnel to beat those guys, and we’re just trying to just get better at all positions to further do that. We’re not going to drastically change anything we do, based off of those new offenses." Read more...

BROADWAYSTORM
01-27-2013, 01:39 PM
This topic is overrated. We don't know if RG3 will be the same again or if Kelly can translate that offense into the NFL. And even with initial success teams adjust to these new schemes. Why is no one running the Wildcat anymore? At the end of the day this game is about winning in the trenches and having good quarterbacks who can throw the ball all over the field in big spots. That is all.

Cloud57
01-27-2013, 01:45 PM
Can the Giants defense adjust to these new offenses? right now I say no, they do need faster players

primetime
01-27-2013, 01:45 PM
Mark Ross said it all. "Stick with what we do. We don’t worry about what other teams do, we draft the best players for us"

Ruttiger711
01-27-2013, 01:55 PM
I wish it were as simple as dismissing the pistol as a gimmick like the wildcat but its not. With an above average athletic qb if you don't have the speed AND discipline on D, you're toast. That's what getting figured out.

Toadofsteel
01-27-2013, 02:00 PM
How do you defend against the option? Beat the crap out of the QB whether he has the ball or not. Eventually the QB will break... how does our defensive staff not know that?

RoanokeFan
01-27-2013, 02:04 PM
How do you defend against the option? Beat the crap out of the QB whether he has the ball or not. Eventually the QB will break... how does our defensive staff not know that?

And how many yards do they gain while we wait for the QB to cry uncle?

GiantRoc
01-27-2013, 02:10 PM
I'm glad the Giants are not going to panic and make changes in their over-all defensive scheme, (or at least that's what it seems from this article). We have done well against the "new style" teams this year. These QBs have flashes, but most have not been able to sustain that type of offense. You see Kaepernick in the Super Bowl this year. Remember, he only played that style QB about 1/2 the season as the main guy. That saved him from taking a beating over a whole season. Griffin was injured 2 times this past season. His second of which is fairly serious. What really had the Giants on their heels against the 'Skins", was the effective power of Morris. As far as the rest of the teams running that type offense, only Seattle was able to sustain the year long quality play. We have to look back on who these teams played to determine just how good they really are. There just aren't as many top quality read-option QBs to worry about in the NFL, to force us into a defensive makeover.

If we can properly fix the holes we have on the at LB, and get JPP some help at the DE spot, I think we still have a solid enough team to stay with any of the new offenses popping up. Depending on injuries and the improvement of our DTs, we could be good at that spot.

What we need most at this point is a solid upgrade on the O-Line. We have serious talent in our skill positions. With decent support from a quality O-Line, this team could score with any of those style offenses.

Stay the course. Get the talented athletes we are used to getting and we will handle the read-option. Those QBs will breakdown, or more likely not have the talent to sustain production over the long haul.

Flip Empty
01-27-2013, 08:11 PM
How do you defend against the option? Beat the crap out of the QB whether he has the ball or not. Eventually the QB will break... how does our defensive staff not know that?

Isn't that true of every offensive system? Good QBs will eat overzealous defenses alive.

StrahanTheMan
01-27-2013, 11:29 PM
I still think the key to these offenses is a fast spy on the QB who can hit hard. WR's merit a man covering them, now the QB does too.

BigBlueAllDay
01-27-2013, 11:58 PM
It's not only the NFC East. The NFC road to the Superbowl will eventually require beating the read option offense/mobile QB very soon.
Even if RG3 is down and out, now there's Kaepernick and Wilson plus new college QBs.

ImElectric2
01-28-2013, 12:04 AM
I still think the key to these offenses is a fast spy on the QB who can hit hard. WR's merit a man covering them, now the QB does too.This. I don't know why teams aren't putting a LB on the QB and telling the DE to attack the RB. The problem, it seems, is that the QB reads the DE and chooses accordingly. If you put a LB on the QB and the DE even just tackles the RB before a pitch can happen you now force the QBs hand and now you know who's getting the ball. I mean, who knows really, I'm not in the NFL and don't study defensive schemes enough to know if this has been tried yet, but it seems logical to me.

DandyDon
01-28-2013, 12:16 AM
This topic is overrated. We don't know if RG3 will be the same again or if Kelly can translate that offense into the NFL. And even with initial success teams adjust to these new schemes. Why is no one running the Wildcat anymore? At the end of the day this game is about winning in the trenches and having good quarterbacks who can throw the ball all over the field in big spots. That is all.

I agree.

"They can definitely be the ultimate weapon, if you can keep ’em healthy, " is the bottom line. And no running Qb is going to stay healthly long in the NFL.

Redeyejedi
01-28-2013, 08:12 AM
How do you defend against the option? Beat the crap out of the QB whether he has the ball or not. Eventually the QB will break... how does our defensive staff not know that? Yeah u hit him every single chance u get hard and low even if he doesnt have the ball. Couple shots to his knees see how well that option works

Redeyejedi
01-28-2013, 08:48 AM
This. I don't know why teams aren't putting a LB on the QB and telling the DE to attack the RB. The problem, it seems, is that the QB reads the DE and chooses accordingly. If you put a LB on the QB and the DE even just tackles the RB before a pitch can happen you now force the QBs hand and now you know who's getting the ball. I mean, who knows really, I'm not in the NFL and don't study defensive schemes enough to know if this has been tried yet, but it seems logical to me.
The best player in the is draft against the zone read/option plays is LSU's Barkevious Mingo because he has the Quickness and speed to wait and attack when he is optioned and the back side pursuit ability to take down plays from behind.

Mingo vs CLemson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDqkUsRgw6s

Watch at 09 seconds . The read is Sam Montgomery on this play who stays home which means hand off . Watch how quickly Mingo gets to the ball.Mingo is just to fast and quick for the pulling LG. He Forces the fumble

at 2:20 watch him pursue from the backside of the play again. he is 1 step away from blowing that play up

3:04 This 1's a great example of what im talking about his speed and quickness disrupting these plays.
They were reading Mingo and he slides down inside the B Gap. Barrow #57 moves up at this point the O should of adjusted and read the LB but they didnt. They just let Mingo come flying through for a sack

Mingo vs Oregon

http://youtu.be/VOd9cMeBB2A?t=43s

Here it again from 2011 against Oregon and Chip kelly. The Backside pursuit again :43

read this has more about what you were suggesting

http://smartfootball.com/defending-spread/defending-the-zone-read-athleticism-and-the-scrape-exchange
it explains it

In this article it also talks about how TCU defends it. TCU employs a 4-2-5 Defense with 3 safeties "Sound Familiar" This way U keep the Front 4 strong against the run and give enough players on the field that can defend the pass.

embeshAtYa
01-28-2013, 01:07 PM
Here is the problem. We have Perry Fewell.

ImElectric2
01-28-2013, 05:43 PM
The best player in the is draft against the zone read/option plays is LSU's Barkevious Mingo because he has the Quickness and speed to wait and attack when he is optioned and the back side pursuit ability to take down plays from behind.Mingo vs CLemson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDqkUsRgw6sWatch at 09 seconds . The read is Sam Montgomery on this play who stays home which means hand off . Watch how quickly Mingo gets to the ball.Mingo is just to fast and quick for the pulling LG. He Forces the fumbleat 2:20 watch him pursue from the backside of the play again. he is 1 step away from blowing that play up3:04 This 1's a great example of what im talking about his speed and quickness disrupting these plays. They were reading Mingo and he slides down inside the B Gap. Barrow #57 moves up at this point the O should of adjusted and read the LB but they didnt. They just let Mingo come flying through for a sackMingo vs Oregon
http://youtu.be/VOd9cMeBB2A?t=43sHere it again from 2011 against Oregon and Chip kelly. The Backside pursuit again :43read this has more about what you were suggestinghttp://smartfootball.com/defending-spread/defending-the-zone-read-athleticism-and-the-scrape-exchangeit explains it In this article it also talks about how TCU defends it. TCU employs a 4-2-5 Defense with 3 safeties "Sound Familiar" This way U keep the Front 4 strong against the run and give enough players on the field that can defend the pass.Oh wow. Amazing. I'm at work now, but ima check.these out when I get home. I appciate you.posting this. Off topic do.you by chance have a user account on.the Memedroid app? If not, someone else took your username lol.

BlueBlooded1979
01-28-2013, 06:41 PM
And how many yards do they gain while we wait for the QB to cry uncle?

Probably much less than the "deer in the headlights" defense that Fewell has been teaching.

Concepts like gap integrity and contain are not overly complicated. Fewell has these guys so amped up to strip the ball or get a pick that they have lost the fine art of physicality. No jamming, poor tackling and when was the last time one of our guys lit up a player who came across the middle of the field ?

giantsfan420
01-28-2013, 06:59 PM
wow redeye thanx for those clips. mingo may be my new wish for the 1rst rd pick. i still would be stoked with Fisher OT, but Mingo's right on his heels. u think he goes top 10 like the announcers were saying?