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Roosevelt
01-28-2013, 10:50 PM
Okay, show your age and let's talk about our very own who's left an indelible mark on the NFL.

Do you think he'll get in on Sunday, and what are your memories of Bill?

nhpgiantsfan
01-28-2013, 10:55 PM
Not sure if he'll get in. I loved him when he was here. He didn't take crap from anyone. But I lost some love for him after he left. He really pimped himself out. And that is what may be hurting his HOF chances somewhat.

DarkSaint
01-28-2013, 10:56 PM
Okay, show your age and let's talk about our very own who's left an edible mark on the NFL. Do you think he'll get in on Sunday, and what are your memories of Bill? Let it go Rooster, let it go man. You have to stop living in the past and move on bud.

Roosevelt
01-28-2013, 11:24 PM
Let it go Rooster, let it go man. You have to stop living in the past and move on bud.

Are you brain dead? Bill Parcells is Giants football and may be enshrined into the HOF this weekend.

His descendants are scattered throughout the league including our very own HC.

WTF.

DarkSaint
01-28-2013, 11:40 PM
Are you brain dead? Bill Parcells is Giants football and may be enshrined into the HOF this weekend.

His descendants are scattered throughout the league including our very own HC.

WTF.



C'mon man, we know you're just looking for material you can use to fap later tonight.

But i'll humor you, he never won without belicheat. He let LT get away with murder, did an ok job with the pats and jets but was mediocre with the cow pokes. He is borderline because of the 2 SB.

bearbryant
01-29-2013, 12:21 AM
I thought that Bill did a good job handling one of the best guys to play the game. Players wanted to play hard for him. thats real art for a head coach. Truth be told, if Al Davis doesn't change Bill's thinking about being HC for another year, after the horrible 1983 season, maybe history would have been totally different. I liked his no BS attitude. He started believing his press clippings as time went on and I think that hurt his capablilties in the game. Overall, I hope he gets in, he deserves it. He took the Jints out of the horrible 70's and ushered them into the elite 80's!

giantsfan420
01-29-2013, 02:12 AM
he'll def. get in just not this yr. altho it'd make the most sense bc i believe strahan will be first ballot and make it his first eligible opportunity...i remember reading an article on this subject and the author made a good point, its not a matter of "if" its a matter of "when" with BP...

and he took a franchise that hadnt had success in some time really, and turned it around. I doubt we are at the point we are as a franchise if it werent for BP. he has effects on teams even now with the coaches he's tutored and gone onto success...BB, TC to name two and boy have they been successful...ultimately, he's turned around or set the team up to be turned around for several franchises that the success has continued on...NYG and NE to name two altho the NYJ made it to a AFC CG after he was there, and the Cowboys have enjoyed whatever marginal success they have thanx to a lot of the personnel move BP made.

He's also responsible in large part for the OLB pass rushing specialists we see today. He innovated the game and made quantum leaps in how defenses aligned and attacked. He also helped pave the way for the necessity of having an athletic OT to combat the OLB pressures...football isnt where it is today w/o BP and for me, that shoulda made him a first ballot...but the voters are a lot of the people BP pissed off with his brash no nonsense attitudes he took with reporters (who makeup the voters)...so he'll get in hopefully with Strahan bc it'd be a great thing for the NYG

Toadofsteel
01-29-2013, 02:20 AM
He's also responsible in large part for the OLB pass rushing specialists we see today. He innovated the game and made quantum leaps in how defenses aligned and attacked. He also helped pave the way for the necessity of having an athletic OT to combat the OLB pressures...football isnt where it is today w/o BP and for me, that shoulda made him a first ballot...but the voters are a lot of the people BP pissed off with his brash no nonsense attitudes he took with reporters (who makeup the voters)...so he'll get in hopefully with Strahan bc it'd be a great thing for the NYG

I thought a lot of that was Belicheck?

thomasjmarino
01-29-2013, 11:29 AM
I have mixed feelings on Parcells.
I think he will get in and I do appreciate what he accomplished and how he was as the Giants HC
But I'm not happy with how he screwed the fans in the end and belittled himself and tarnished his legacy with his actions after he left.

Strahan will definitely get in.
He's kissed more than enough ***

Jiffy Jeff
01-29-2013, 11:45 AM
No offense Rosey, but I believe you meant "indelible". Although he is the Big Tuna.

jomo
01-29-2013, 12:20 PM
Okay, show your age and let's talk about our very own who's left an edible mark on the NFL.

Do you think he'll get in on Sunday, and what are your memories of Bill?He was a great HC with a substantial coaching tree beneath him. His orientation was defense and on offense he'e take only the minimum risk necessary to win. If we were playing a weak team, the game would be a snoozer with us running a vanilla offense with mostly running plays. If we were playing a top oponent, all bets were off. He'd break out wrinkles not seen before on offense and special teams. He had great leadership qualities. One of my favorite memories was him and Simms jawing at each other on the sideline, both looking straight ahead, trying to fake the cameras into believing they weren't arguing on the sidelines.

That said, I grew to not like the guy. It may sound strange after the praise I heaped on him. He was a mercenary for the front office to deal with. He never let his contract settle in. Worse, he did it all publicly through the media. It was like dealing with a current day WR or CB diva. He constantly talked about retiring and or leaving the Giants. He let Bellicheat get away to strengthen his negotiating position with us, then left us holding the bag with Ray Handley. I would never use the word class with Parcells as I obviously would with Coughlin. I wouldn't hire him (even in his prime) as my coach knowing what I know about his restless heart. I'm not a big fan of drama in the locker room especially coming from a coach.

Still his body of work is large and should land him in the HOF soon. I'm guessing it happens this year.

YATittle1962
01-29-2013, 12:49 PM
I sure hope he gets in

my memories of Bill are screaming at Simms, Belichick, Erhardt, and Crennel on the sidelines....

....walking around in short shorts and a parachute shirt with high socks at training camp chain smoking cigarettes

....the best at dealing with the media

.....and one of the best football minds in the history of the game



"....for the rest of your lives men....no one can say you couldn't do it....cus ya did it ....."

GameTime
01-29-2013, 01:03 PM
Getting soaked in Gatorade. A button pusher extrodinair. Great with the media.
I think he gets in. He has a legacy and a shroud of greatness that followed him. But I also think a coach shouldn't take an HOF candidate spot from a player for the year. It should be a separate group.

TCHOF
01-29-2013, 01:05 PM
Okay, show your age and let's talk about our very own who's left an edible mark on the NFL.

Do you think he'll get in on Sunday, and what are your memories of Bill?

An edible mark? Is that a crack about his weight??? lol

Great coach who brought us from obscurity to relevance. Just wish he stayed longer . . ..

TCHOF
01-29-2013, 01:06 PM
He was a great HC with a substantial coaching tree beneath him. His orientation was defense and on offense he'e take only the minimum risk necessary to win. If we were playing a weak team, the game would be a snoozer with us running a vanilla offense with mostly running plays. If we were playing a top oponent, all bets were off. He'd break out wrinkles not seen before on offense and special teams. He had great leadership qualities. One of my favorite memories was him and Simms jawing at each other on the sideline, both looking straight ahead, trying to fake the cameras into believing they weren't arguing on the sidelines.

That said, I grew to not like the guy. It may sound strange after the praise I heaped on him. He was a mercenary for the front office to deal with. He never let his contract settle in. Worse, he did it all publicly through the media. It was like dealing with a current day WR or CB diva. He constantly talked about retiring and or leaving the Giants. He let Bellicheat get away to strengthen his negotiating position with us, then left us holding the bag with Ray Handley. I would never use the word class with Parcells as I obviously would with Coughlin. I wouldn't hire him (even in his prime) as my coach knowing what I know about his restless heart. I'm not a big fan of drama in the locker room especially coming from a coach.

Still his body of work is large and should land him in the HOF soon. I'm guessing it happens this year.

To me, the only difference between Parcells and TC is the Parcells drama . . . .

Morehead State
01-29-2013, 01:07 PM
I sure hope he gets in

my memories of Bill are screaming at Simms, Belichick, Erhardt, and Crennel on the sidelines....

....walking around in short shorts and a parachute shirt with high socks at training camp chain smoking cigarettes

....the best at dealing with the media

.....and one of the best football minds in the history of the game



"....for the rest of your lives men....no one can say you couldn't do it....cus ya did it ....."

All this is true about Parcells YA, but he has some major problems playing with others.
He left us in a terrible spot by leaving after the draft and making it impossible to hire a good replacement.
He dumped the Pats by not even riding on the plane back home with the team after the SB loss.
He has had problems seeing any job thru since leaving the Giants and has burned a lot of bridges. He's the "Kieth Olberman" of football coaches in that respect.

There is a soft spot in my heart for Bill, and he understood people and players like few other coaches, but he is one heck of a defective person as well.

jomo
01-29-2013, 01:07 PM
I always did feel that we had a coaching advantage going into a big game no matter who the oponent was. His game plans were always brilliant and his half time adjustments were the thing of legends.

jomo
01-29-2013, 01:09 PM
To me, the only difference between Parcells and TC is the Parcells drama . . . .I thnk that Parcells is a more gifted HC, able to attract better coordinators and front line line coaches. His game planning was also better than TC's. I'd just rather have TC as my neighbor for sure.

Rusty192
01-29-2013, 01:40 PM
I thnk that Parcells is a more gifted HC, able to attract better coordinators and front line line coaches. His game planning was also better than TC's. I'd just rather have TC as my neighbor for sure.Parcell's teams were more dominant for sure. TC's squads are scrappy, capable of occasional dominance, that get hot and ride the momentum through the post season.

Morehead State
01-29-2013, 01:50 PM
Parcell's teams were more dominant for sure. TC's squads are scrappy, capable of occasional dominance, that get hot and ride the momentum through the post season.
Our teams under Parcells were much more disciplined and much less mistake prone. They were truly dominant teams.
Our TC teams are far more defective and head scratching. But in the new NFL, you can get hot and find a way to win playoff games.

TCHOF
01-29-2013, 02:49 PM
Our teams under Parcells were much more disciplined and much less mistake prone. They were truly dominant teams.
Our TC teams are far more defective and head scratching. But in the new NFL, you can get hot and find a way to win playoff games.

What teams under Parcells were dominant? The 1986 team?

YATittle1962
01-29-2013, 02:57 PM
All this is true about Parcells YA, but he has some major problems playing with others.
He left us in a terrible spot by leaving after the draft and making it impossible to hire a good replacement.
He dumped the Pats by not even riding on the plane back home with the team after the SB loss.
He has had problems seeing any job thru since leaving the Giants and has burned a lot of bridges. He's the "Kieth Olberman" of football coaches in that respect.

There is a soft spot in my heart for Bill, and he understood people and players like few other coaches, but he is one heck of a defective person as well.

I never cared about any of that stuff

he is not involved in my personal life so I hold his fine moments dear and let his short comings fade

he is without a doubt a Hall Of Famer

Morehead State
01-29-2013, 02:59 PM
I never cared about any of that stuff

he is not involved in my personal life so I hold his fine moments dear and let his short comings fade
Yeah I know.
Hard to ignore. Seemed that he got more and more impossible to be around with every coaching job. His sideline behavior in Dallas was atrocious.

YATittle1962
01-29-2013, 03:02 PM
Yeah I know.
Hard to ignore. Seemed that he got more and more impossible to be around with every coaching job. His sideline behavior in Dallas was atrocious.

it was I agree

I got the feeling he wanted out and was just fed up at that point

ny06
01-29-2013, 03:16 PM
I want to say yes but I feel the voters will snub him (again)
No questions he's a HOF coach, and this fan misses his humor with the media and outlandish attitude on the sidelines.

Morehead State
01-29-2013, 03:21 PM
I want to say yes but I feel the voters will snub him (again)
No questions he's a HOF coach, and this fan misses his humor with the media and outlandish attitude on the sidelines.
Parcells press conferences were must watch TV.

DandyDon
01-29-2013, 03:24 PM
Are you brain dead? Bill Parcells is Giants football and may be enshrined into the HOF this weekend.

His descendants are scattered throughout the league including our very own HC.

WTF.

Yes, but is he edible?

Roosevelt
01-29-2013, 05:58 PM
No offense Rosey, but I believe you meant "indelible". Although he is the Big Tuna.

LOL. Freudian slip there.

BigBlue1971
01-29-2013, 09:58 PM
i remember Parcells as a hard nosed leader who took no crap whatsoever! he reminded me of a general in the military directing his troops into battle!

the shot of him on the sidelines telling Simms to stfu and sit down was one of my favorites and lmao every time i see it!

i dont know how close him and Strahan are but i think they go in together!

Delicreep
01-29-2013, 10:06 PM
All this is true about Parcells YA, but he has some major problems playing with others.
He left us in a terrible spot by leaving after the draft and making it impossible to hire a good replacement.
He dumped the Pats by not even riding on the plane back home with the team after the SB loss.
He has had problems seeing any job thru since leaving the Giants and has burned a lot of bridges. He's the "Kieth Olberman" of football coaches in that respect.

There is a soft spot in my heart for Bill, and he understood people and players like few other coaches, but he is one heck of a defective person as well.

Yeah...I think that the amazing this is that your points are 100% true (you didn't even get to the Dolphins crap) and this guy was hired time after time after time.
If he announced today that he wanted to coach again he would get snapped up in a minute.

Absolutely great football mind will get a lot overlooked, and I suspect he will walk into the Hall because of it.

Dorothy
01-29-2013, 10:20 PM
Let's face it, we loved Bill because he took the team to the big dance and won. It was the first SUPERBOWL win and the first National win in thirty years. What's not to love? Plus he did have that personality. Do hope he gets in the HOF, be it this year or whenever, he deserves it.

GentleGiant
01-29-2013, 10:46 PM
Parcells descendants.

-Tom Coughlin

-Bill Belicheck

-Sean Payton

6 super bowls combined.

If he's not in the HOF then the HOF is a shame.

jomo
01-29-2013, 11:10 PM
How about when he left the Tampa Bay ownership standing on the airport runway? He is a troubled guy who has a special place in my heart.............if that's possible.

nhpgiantsfan
01-30-2013, 12:24 AM
Parcells descendants.

-Tom Coughlin

-Bill Belicheck

-Sean Payton

6 super bowls combined.

If he's not in the HOF then the HOF is a shame.

Wait, so Sean Payton was an NFL coach since 1997, but since he was on Parcells staff in Dallas for 3 years, he is now a Parcells descendant, and BP gets credit for turning him into a SB winning coach???

nhpgiantsfan
01-30-2013, 12:26 AM
How about when he left the Tampa Bay ownership standing on the airport runway? He is a troubled guy who has a special place in my heart.............if that's possible.

Agreed.. I am glad we had him when we did. Before he became a hired gun with a huge ego.

Roosevelt
01-30-2013, 12:53 AM
To me, the only difference between Parcells and TC is the Parcells drama . . . .

Parcells always looked to capitalize on a change of momentum. Tom obviously missed that class.

SweetZombieJesus
01-30-2013, 07:29 AM
Bill was great and there were many things to love about him. There are three problems, however.

(1) He disdained the press and didn't hide it. Who do you think votes on these kinds of things?

(2) Disloyalty. He screwed every single organization he worked for on the way out and left them in twisted heaps of flaming wreckage. He tried to quit on the Giants after XXI and did so after XXV leaving the organization a wreck. He publicly fought with Robert Kraft before a Super Bowl and then quit and went to their main rival, the Jets. There after Belichick quits after being head coach for a day he still slinks out the back door only to resurface at Dallas... Which he quits and then goes to Miami, which he pretty much wrecked and quit before even getting them back on their feet.

This guy screwed two of the best owners in the NFL, the Maras and the Krafts. That won't go unnoticed.

(3) Diminishing effectiveness. He won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. Lost a Super Bowl with the Pats. Made a conference championship with the Jets. Nothing with Dallas. Even worse nothing with Miami.

BlueSanta
01-30-2013, 07:36 AM
Parcells the coach is a Hall of Famer. Parcells the GM , not so much. He should get in, but I dont think it should be 1st ballot.

He has done some great things in his career but he has also burned a lot of bridges around the league. You simply cannot exclude what he did in Miami from his body of work and that is what destroyed his reputation. That team was a financial disaster when he left and is only now just beginning to recover.

SweetZombieJesus
01-30-2013, 07:38 AM
What teams under Parcells were dominant? The 1986 team?

The 86 team is the gold standard. 14-2 record, and in the playoffs beat the 49ers 49-3, Washington 17-0, and Denver 39-20.

The 90 team went 13-3 and won the SB.
The 89 team went 12-4 and lost a shocker in OT in the playoffs (Rams/Flipper Anderson)
The 88 team was 10-6 and missed the playoffs.
The 85 team was 10-6 and ran into the 85 Bears in the playoffs.

SweetZombieJesus
01-30-2013, 07:40 AM
i dont know how close him and Strahan are but i think they go in together!

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2013/01/12/sports/web_photos/12.1s038.schwartz.c--300x300.jpg

Does Parcells go in as a Giant? One last snub?

TCHOF
01-30-2013, 10:28 AM
The 86 team is the gold standard. 14-2 record, and in the playoffs beat the 49ers 49-3, Washington 17-0, and Denver 39-20.

The 90 team went 13-3 and won the SB.
The 89 team went 12-4 and lost a shocker in OT in the playoffs (Rams/Flipper Anderson)
The 88 team was 10-6 and missed the playoffs.
The 85 team was 10-6 and ran into the 85 Bears in the playoffs.

I equate the 89 team to the 2008 team. Very good regular season, but lose in the first playoff game to a wildcard team. I actually think that the 89 playoff loss was worse. Hard to call a team that lost in the first game of the playoffs dominant.

The 90 team was rolling until Simms got hurt. They certainly weren't dominant when Hostetler was at QB (although this is probably my favorite Giants team of all time). I 'll give you that one though.

The 85 and 88 teams were good but not dominant.

I only objected to the suggestion that all of Parcells' teams were dominant.

Morehead State
01-30-2013, 11:32 AM
Bill was great and there were many things to love about him. There are three problems, however.

(1) He disdained the press and didn't hide it. Who do you think votes on these kinds of things?

(2) Disloyalty. He screwed every single organization he worked for on the way out and left them in twisted heaps of flaming wreckage. He tried to quit on the Giants after XXI and did so after XXV leaving the organization a wreck. He publicly fought with Robert Kraft before a Super Bowl and then quit and went to their main rival, the Jets. There after Belichick quits after being head coach for a day he still slinks out the back door only to resurface at Dallas... Which he quits and then goes to Miami, which he pretty much wrecked and quit before even getting them back on their feet.

This guy screwed two of the best owners in the NFL, the Maras and the Krafts. That won't go unnoticed.

(3) Diminishing effectiveness. He won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. Lost a Super Bowl with the Pats. Made a conference championship with the Jets. Nothing with Dallas. Even worse nothing with Miami.

If you lived in the Hartford, CT area (like I did at the time) you would NEVER think Robert Kraft was a good owner.