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B&RWarrior
01-29-2013, 12:18 AM
If we resign Cruz, and Nicks comes back healthy, then the continuing development of Randle could give us that 3 WR set magic that proved invaluable in our SB run. I think all 3 can be home run threats on any given play. That is what made us so dangerous on offense in 2011. Led by Eli, the Bomb Squad could be in full effect again in 2013.

Carter.525
01-29-2013, 12:23 AM
* when Cruz is re-signed.. Yes, we missed that last year without Manningham.. the job should be Randle's

GiantRoc
01-29-2013, 12:33 AM
Throw in splitting Wilson out, and it would really put a strain on an opponents secondary. Thats 4 guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field.

giantsfan420
01-29-2013, 02:02 AM
not only could it return, I expect it to. I actually think our offense can be much better than 2011 now that we added Wilson and Randle to the already established duo of Nicks n Cruz.

IamGiantsfan
01-29-2013, 05:58 AM
Throw in splitting Wilson out, and it would really put a strain on an opponents secondary. Thats 4 guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field.
Don't forget about bennet, if we resign him =P

Captain Chaos
01-29-2013, 06:53 AM
Don't forget about bennet, if we resign him =P

We need better play at Tackle to give him better opportunities...

gumby74
01-29-2013, 09:55 AM
I love Nicks and all. But I hope Randle shows he's got the goods so we don't have to spend $$ and resign him.

wuzpapn
01-29-2013, 11:15 AM
Running game is equally important to open up the passing game for Eli. I'm more worried about our halfback situation right now than I am the WR core.

titwio
01-29-2013, 11:23 AM
I love Nicks and all. But I hope Randle shows he's got the goods so we don't have to spend $$ and resign him.

That would be a horrible scenario if he wasn't re-signed.

thomasjmarino
01-29-2013, 11:24 AM
And Bear Pascoe
And Henry Hynoski
Hopefully, these 2 guys will get more touches in 2013

And a healthy Andre Brown

We have the weapons
But the brain trust?????????????????

PennState1
01-29-2013, 11:25 AM
If we resign Cruz, and Nicks comes back healthy, then the continuing development of Randle could give us that 3 WR set magic that proved invaluable in our SB run. I think all 3 can be home run threats on any given play. That is what made us so dangerous on offense in 2011. Led by Eli, the Bomb Squad could be in full effect again in 2013.We NEED good backups for our starting WR. We learned this this year!

jomo
01-29-2013, 02:42 PM
If we resign Cruz, and Nicks comes back healthy, then the continuing development of Randle could give us that 3 WR set magic that proved invaluable in our SB run. I think all 3 can be home run threats on any given play. That is what made us so dangerous on offense in 2011. Led by Eli, the Bomb Squad could be in full effect again in 2013.We also need an OL that can give Eli some additional time.

GiantRoc
01-29-2013, 03:12 PM
HAHAHA And now the water buckets on our fire of enthusiasm. Just kidding. We know we have gaps that need to be filled first, but its fun to think of the possibilities. We do have a lot of weapons. I thought we were just talking wide out options. The firepower on this team is significant and formidable, if we can use it right.

gumby74
01-29-2013, 04:05 PM
I love Nicks and all. But I hope Randle shows he's got the goods so we don't have to spend $$ and resign him.


That would be a horrible scenario if he wasn't re-signed.

How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.

titwio
01-29-2013, 04:54 PM
How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.

He's under contract for another season and by the time the 2014 season comes along a lot of the big veteran contracts the Giants currently have won't be here or will be heavily re-structered. Boley, Canty, Webster, Deihl, Rolle, Tuck, Osi (Osi this year). The Giants should be in better against the cap by then. In reality, the Giants can't really afford to keep losing their top talent. If they lose Phillips this year and Nicks next year then the Giants front office will be majorly suspect IMO because they can't afford to pay their top talent and 1st round draft picks.

Hopefully a lot of these pre-CBA over paid contracts are gone by then and Reese can can better manage the talent.

Shockeystays08
01-29-2013, 05:10 PM
Not so fast, I believe Jenigan will be in the picture. it was very evident the Giants plan on him being part of the future. I believe in at least two games at the end of the year JJ saw the field BEFORE Randle. JJ also obviously passed Barden on the depth chart. I believe there will be 4 different WR that will interchange with the 3 wide. JJ will be one of them. Just an opinion, we all got em.

Cloud57
01-29-2013, 05:31 PM
Throw in splitting Wilson out, and it would really put a strain on an opponents secondary. Thats 4 guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field.with all this talk about Nicks and Cruz I forgot about Wilson. Wilson, Nicks, Cruz, Randle, and Bennett will be an awesome combination.

gumby74
01-29-2013, 05:33 PM
He's under contract for another season and by the time the 2014 season comes along a lot of the big veteran contracts the Giants currently have won't be here or will be heavily re-structered. Boley, Canty, Webster, Deihl, Rolle, Tuck, Osi (Osi this year). The Giants should be in better against the cap by then. In reality, the Giants can't really afford to keep losing their top talent. If they lose Phillips this year and Nicks next year then the Giants front office will be majorly suspect IMO because they can't afford to pay their top talent and 1st round draft picks.

Hopefully a lot of these pre-CBA over paid contracts are gone by then and Reese can can better manage the talent.

It's impossible to retain all, or even most of your talent these days. JPP will warrant a monster contract. Joseph could get around 8 million a year. Philips will get 5+ million. Nicks - if healthy 8-10 million. Add on top of Eli's 20 million cap hit. What do you want to do next? that's like what a third of our cap eaten up by 4 players?

No. Good front offices let people walk and replace them with cheaper alternatives. It's all about value these days and less about "retaining talent". If you try and retain all your talent, you'll be broke after 8 players.

titwio
01-29-2013, 06:02 PM
It's impossible to retain all, or even most of your talent these days. JPP will warrant a monster contract. Joseph could get around 8 million a year. Philips will get 5+ million. Nicks - if healthy 8-10 million. Add on top of Eli's 20 million cap hit. What do you want to do next? that's like what a third of our cap eaten up by 4 players?

No. Good front offices let people walk and replace them with cheaper alternatives. It's all about value these days and less about "retaining talent". If you try and retain all your talent, you'll be broke after 8 players.

I'm not saying Phillips will stay...I'm saying if they lose both him AND Nicks then they're are not wisely attaining their talent. Joseph won't get 8 million a year...sorry, no. Cofield didn't even get that on the Redskins and they over pay everyone. Your are right about JPP though and he'll be the biggest obstacle. Good news about him is he's not an UFA till 2015. Those guys are further down the road anyway. The new CBA is very helpful in not over spending on draft picks anyway so once the Giants clear most of the pre-CBA bs there will be a lot more room to maneuver.

JesseJames
01-29-2013, 06:08 PM
We need better play at Tackle to give him better opportunities... agree, until we get a RT who can block then Bennett will be more of a blocker than receiver..

moosedrool
01-29-2013, 11:30 PM
How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.

That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.

ALLnygIN
01-30-2013, 12:25 AM
That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.

^^ This

giantsfan420
01-30-2013, 02:52 AM
That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.i agree. but i also think gumbys point is true to an extent. its not like we're trying to keep 2 calvin johnsons tho, we're trying to keep 2 wr's who've played solely with eli manning...elis made a lot of wrs look good remember, whose to say that nicks n cruz dont reach the same level playing for another qb?

gumby74
01-30-2013, 09:24 AM
How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.


That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.

What about the oline? What about the dline? What good is having 2 high paid WRs if you don't have time to throw? This doesn't include our defense being pretty awful. Most teams who have multiple good WRS have one main "high paid stud guy" and the rest are on their rookie contracts.

gumby74
01-30-2013, 09:31 AM
I'm not saying Phillips will stay...I'm saying if they lose both him AND Nicks then they're are not wisely attaining their talent. Joseph won't get 8 million a year...sorry, no. Cofield didn't even get that on the Redskins and they over pay everyone. Your are right about JPP though and he'll be the biggest obstacle. Good news about him is he's not an UFA till 2015. Those guys are further down the road anyway. The new CBA is very helpful in not over spending on draft picks anyway so once the Giants clear most of the pre-CBA bs there will be a lot more room to maneuver.

I think Cofield got 8 million a year on the skins. Gibril Wilson made 5 million. KP will command just as much. Nicks if healhty will command god knows how much. Let's say 10 million. So between KP and Nicks let's say it's 16 million. That's a lot of money. You can buy a solid offensive line what that money. Or 2 stud olinemen. I'd argue that a solid oline that gives us a running game and gives Eli all day to throw is worth more than 2 players. We can do a lot with 16 million. imo, if we resign both, we'd be making a huge mistake. i also think resigning both Nicks and Cruz to large contracts is a big mistake.

We better draft well or find more Stevie Browns, this year and next. Otherwise, we're going to be in big trouble.

RoanokeFan
01-30-2013, 10:37 AM
We also need an OL that can give Eli some additional time.

This is critical is we are to be back min the hunt in 2013.