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VBGiantsFan
01-29-2013, 02:36 PM
On the field, Ray Lewis is arguably the greatest LB of this generation. Likewise, LT IS the greatest of his generation, maybe of all time. However, they do play different positions. Lewis is also going for his second Superpbowl, possibly tying LT. On the field, who is/was more important to their team? Is LT's play too much for Lewis to overcome or does Lewis's leadership prove him to be more valuable on a possibly let talented team?

Off the field, Lewis has changed his image into a humble and spiritual leader for his community. However, it is not in the distant past he was up for murder charges, paying off families of victims, and lets not forget (thank you Mrs. Welker) his 5 kids and 4 wives. That is hardly the resume of a role model.

Off the field, LT is linked heavily to drugs, prison, and more recently, sex with a minor and prostitution. While he has not shown to have too many redeeming qualities or even attempted to rehabilitate his image like Lewis has, it is hard to look past the fact that drugs and prostitution is nowhere near as heinous as murder.

So, what is everyone's opinions of Lewis vs. LT on and off the field?

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 03:31 PM
Ray Lewis is a prime example of how money can buy your way our of trouble. I really, really , can't stand Jim Harbough. But I would be disgusted to see that criminal walk off into the sunset with another SB ring.

myles2424
01-29-2013, 03:43 PM
Ray Lewis is a prime example of how money can buy your way our of trouble. I really, really , can't stand Jim Harbough. But I would be disgusted to see that criminal walk off into the sunset with another SB ring.

I almost forgot that you were at the scene & saw exactly what happend...

BlueJayC
01-29-2013, 03:47 PM
On the field Lewis plays his position better than anyone has since maybe Singletary........on the field Taylor single-handedly changed the outcome of games on a consistent basis and changed the way the game was/is played......there is no comparison.

Off the field they're both eff ups.

VBGiantsFan
01-29-2013, 03:50 PM
I almost forgot that you were at the scene & saw exactly what happend...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/10/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-atlanta-murder-2000/1566198/

Don't be so quick to defend Ray...

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 04:10 PM
I almost forgot that you were at the scene & saw exactly what happend...

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm sure you feel O.J. is a model citizen also.

myles2424
01-29-2013, 04:14 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/10/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-atlanta-murder-2000/1566198/

Don't be so quick to defend Ray...

So youve played god & already judged lewis? Theres a reason he wasnt convicted of murder, if the state had any solid evidence that he was the one that killed the guy, hed be in prison till this day....was he there? Obviously. ..does he know what happend? I'm sure...did he actually kill the guy? You & everyone else will never know...

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 04:20 PM
So youve played god & already judged lewis? Theres a reason he wasnt convicted of murder, if the state had any solid evidence that he was the one that killed the guy, hed be in prison till this day....was he there? Obviously. ..does he know what happend? I'm sure...did he actually kill the guy? You & everyone else will never know...

Not being the one with the knife, doesn't automatically make him an innocent man. He was charged with murder, and took a plea down to obstruction of justice, in exchange for testimony against his tow friends. He then gave a financial settlement to the families of the victims. He probably wasn't the one with the knife. But if that were you or I, we'd be in jail.

VBGiantsFan
01-29-2013, 04:21 PM
So youve played god & already judged lewis? Theres a reason he wasnt convicted of murder, if the state had any solid evidence that he was the one that killed the guy, hed be in prison till this day....was he there? Obviously. ..does he know what happend? I'm sure...did he actually kill the guy? You & everyone else will never know...

I think having a blood soaked suit that conspicuously disappeared puts him pretty damn close to the murder scene.

If Ray truly knows what happened and refuses to tell the authorities or families, what do you think of him?

GameTime
01-29-2013, 04:23 PM
On the field, Ray Lewis is arguably the greatest LB of this generation. Likewise, LT IS the greatest of his generation, maybe of all time. However, they do play different positions. Lewis is also going for his second Superpbowl, possibly tying LT. On the field, who is/was more important to their team? Is LT's play too much for Lewis to overcome or does Lewis's leadership prove him to be more valuable on a possibly let talented team?

Off the field, Lewis has changed his image into a humble and spiritual leader for his community. However, it is not in the distant past he was up for murder charges, paying off families of victims, and lets not forget (thank you Mrs. Welker) his 5 kids and 4 wives. That is hardly the resume of a role model.

Off the field, LT is linked heavily to drugs, prison, and more recently, sex with a minor and prostitution. While he has not shown to have too many redeeming qualities or even attempted to rehabilitate his image like Lewis has, it is hard to look past the fact that drugs and prostitution is nowhere near as heinous as murder.

So, what is everyone's opinions of Lewis vs. LT on and off the field?
What LT did is WAY MORE heinous then a murder allegation. RL was not convicted. If you are convinced he murdered someone then thats your opnion.
Thats not what was decided in court. What he paid off was a civil suit not the criminal suit IIRC.

On the field. LT was better at his position then RL was at his. With that said RL is one of the top LBs to ever play the game for sure.

BuffyBlueII
01-29-2013, 04:25 PM
On the field Ray Lewis has had a great career and is one of the top 5 LBs to ever play the game. He is a great leader on the field.

On the field LT was The Greatest Defensive player of all time. He revolutionized the game and the only way to have described him would be as a force of nature. I have never seen a football player do what he did on a regular basis. Strong, fast, great instincts, made everyone around him play better, great leader and so much more. I don’t know if we will ever see another football player like LT.

Off the field Ray lewis was involved in a murder and pled out to an obstruction of justice charge. Key evidence, mainly a bloody white suit has never been found and witnesses changed their story. He paid off the victims families. That has all been documented and uncontested. He has a number of kids with different women and claims that he is now born again and appears to live a very charitable and giving life. Some folks say he has found redemption and never committed the crimes. Some have said he was involved in the crimes and has found redemption. Some say he is a fake and it is all an act. I think Ray Lewis was somehow involved in the murders and I do think that since then, he has changed his life around. I don’t think it excuses his past deeds if he was so involved.

LT has had drug problems. LT has had numerous legal problems with the most recent being sex woith an underage prstitute that told him she was overage. He was cleared in a civil suit and alegations of abuse against the prostitue were found to be false. It would also appear that although alcohol was involved that drugs weren’t and that LT is still drug free. LT is not a model citizen and is not a role model off the field. However, the activities he has been accussed of are more of a self destructive kind as oppossed to the activities that Ray Lewis has been accussed of that hurt others. The one thing that is clearly evident is that LT is not fake and unlike Ray, if Ray is guilty, LT owns up to his mistakes, admits his complicity while Ray doesn’t.

Toadofsteel
01-29-2013, 04:26 PM
There's a reason that our judicial system holds people "Innocent until PROVEN guilty"...

BuffyBlueII
01-29-2013, 04:36 PM
There's a reason that our judicial system holds people "Innocent until PROVEN guilty"...

Yes it does and in all fairness, Ray Lewis did plead out to an obstruction of justice charge in the murder case. He also did pay monies to the victim’s families. The driver also did change his statements in regard to ray’s involvemement. Obviously none of us were there so we don’t know how involved in the murder Ray was but we do know that he was involved in some way either in the action of commiting the crime or in covering it up which would account for his plea.

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 04:36 PM
I can't believe the amount of people defending Ray Lewis. He may not have actually committed murder. But he absolutely was there, he was absolutely involved in trying to cover it up, and he absolutely took a plea in exchange for flipping on his friends. And he absolutely gave a financial settlement to the victims families. There is no debating these facts. So for all you folks that have faith in our legal system and want to preach "innocent til proven guilty", I applaud your patriotism. You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion he got off easy because of who he is, just like many other people with money and power have before.

GameTime
01-29-2013, 04:57 PM
I can't believe the amount of people defending Ray Lewis. He may not have actually committed murder. But he absolutely was there, he was absolutely involved in trying to cover it up, and he absolutely took a plea in exchange for flipping on his friends. And he absolutely gave a financial settlement to the victims families. There is no debating these facts. So for all you folks that have faith in our legal system and want to preach "innocent til proven guilty", I applaud your patriotism. You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion he got off easy because of who he is, just like many other people with money and power have before.
witnessing a murder is not committing a murder. A civil suit involves monetary compensation and has nothing to do with a criminal case. The Two "friends" were aquitted of murder because of self defense. Ray Lewis actually was convicted of obstruction of justice and his "friends" werent convicted of anything. His plea saved their asses because he was "THE" witness. Was he there...yep.....was he part of it...no. Dod his friends kills two people yes they did. That was deciding in court. THEY killed in self defense.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/01/24/5-common-misconceptions-about-ray-lewis-murder-trial/

myles2424
01-29-2013, 05:03 PM
I think having a blood soaked suit that conspicuously disappeared puts him pretty damn close to the murder scene.

If Ray truly knows what happened and refuses to tell the authorities or families, what do you think of him?

That doesnt change anything...He was obviously there....If there was a altercation with a group of people,whos to say he did anything?
Ive been in places where bad things have happend,doesnt mean ive ever done anything of that nature.....
Lets say this, if your bestfriend since birth,maybe was involved in something like this...Are you going to testify & put someone away for life?
Nobody knows what theyd do until theyre in that situation.......

BuffyBlueII
01-29-2013, 05:03 PM
witnessing a murder is not committing a murder. A civil suit involves monetary compensation and has nothing to do with a criminal case. The Two "friends" were aquitted of murder because of self defense. Ray Lewis actually was convicted of obstruction of justice and his "friends" werent convicted of anything. His plea saved their asses because he was "THE" witness. Was he there...yep.....was he part of it...no. Dod his friends kills two people yes they did. That was deciding in court. THEY killed in self defense.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/01/24/5-common-misconceptions-about-ray-lewis-murder-trial/

His plea didn’t “save” their asses. Ray, by his own admission wanted everyone to keep silent about the entire ordeal. Then, Ray decided to flip and took the obstruction of justice charge and the other defendents were found not guilty by self defense. The white suit was never recovered and the driver did in fact change his story in regard to Ray. It is obvious that Ray in taking the charge was more involved than some folks would like to admit.

myles2424
01-29-2013, 05:19 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. I'm sure you feel O.J. is a model citizen also.
No, there was actual evidence the OJ commited murder....OJ wasnt at the scene of a fight after a nightclub with plenty of other drunk people to point fingers at...

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 07:11 PM
No, there was actual evidence the OJ commited murder....OJ wasnt at the scene of a fight after a nightclub with plenty of other drunk people to point fingers at...

Ok, Again. I really don't think Ray actually committed the murders. But in my opinion, that doesn't make his hands clean of the whole situation. He was there, and he def had something to do with a cover up. And he never did produce the clothes he was wearing. But then again we all just lose our clothes all the time.. I really, really, hope his last memory as a football player, is walking off the field, hanging his head, after a brutal SB loss, or of coarse I would settle for a dislocated hip as a result of his stupid entry dance.

GameTime
01-29-2013, 07:21 PM
Ok, Again. I really don't think Ray actually committed the murders. But in my opinion, that doesn't make his hands clean of the whole situation. He was there, and he def had something to do with a cover up. And he never did produce the clothes he was wearing. But then again we all just lose our clothes all the time.. I really, really, hope his last memory as a football player, is walking off the field, hanging his head, after a brutal SB loss, or of coarse I would settle for a dislocated hip as a result of his stupid entry dance.
what cover up.....his two "friends" were charged with murder and found innocent due to self defense. He was convicted with obstruction of justice....
The two guys did kill two people in self defense. Thats was decided in court.

nhpgiantsfan
01-29-2013, 07:30 PM
what cover up.....his two "friends" were charged with murder and found innocent due to self defense. He was convicted with obstruction of justice....
The two guys did kill two people in self defense. Thats was decided in court.

So I guess you find it completely normal that a group of guys including a proffesional football player, needed to uses knives to defend themselves against these two men. If it was honest self defense, why didn't they just all come forward from the beginning and call the police. Why wouldn't Lewis just provide the bloody suit to the police. And if they were completley innocent and just "defending" themselves, why would Ray Lewis give money to the families of the people that were attacking him and his friends, that they had to kill, in self defense. Do you smell that fish???

GentleGiant
01-29-2013, 11:02 PM
So I guess you find it completely normal that a group of guys including a proffesional football player, needed to uses knives to defend themselves against these two men. If it was honest self defense, why didn't they just all come forward from the beginning and call the police. Why wouldn't Lewis just provide the bloody suit to the police. And if they were completley innocent and just "defending" themselves, why would Ray Lewis give money to the families of the people that were attacking him and his friends, that they had to kill, in self defense. Do you smell that fish???

That is based on the assumption that lewis and co actually had knives at all. Point is Lewis testified against the people he was with and THEY were found innocent.

It is also based on the assumption that Lewis bloody coat ever even existed. Only people that said it existed couldn't be trusted.

Point is if the victims were crazy or drunk enough to go up against a LB then I wouldn't be surprised if they'd mess with anyone else except this time that "someone else" happend to have a knife(prefferably after lewis entourage left).

Paying off people means nothing. The families are still moarning so no money could hush them up so I don't see why they'd hush up cause of money THEN.

nhpgiantsfan
01-30-2013, 12:01 AM
That is based on the assumption that lewis and co actually had knives at all. Point is Lewis testified against the people he was with and THEY were found innocent.

It is also based on the assumption that Lewis bloody coat ever even existed. Only people that said it existed couldn't be trusted.

Point is if the victims were crazy or drunk enough to go up against a LB then I wouldn't be surprised if they'd mess with anyone else except this time that "someone else" happend to have a knife(prefferably after lewis entourage left).

Paying off people means nothing. The families are still moarning so no money could hush them up so I don't see why they'd hush up cause of money THEN.

Wow! You really have your blinders on...

ShakeandBake
01-30-2013, 12:19 AM
LT was a better player and is a better person than ray

bigbluetribe
01-30-2013, 12:26 AM
Wow! You really have your blinders on...
Agreed, money will shut a lot of people up, especially those with not so much of it. Its also easy to claim self defense when those who were defended against are dead....

Look anyone is an idiot if they dont see some cover up here. Its just who he is that saved him. Look at Donte Stallworth- 30 days......

myles2424
01-30-2013, 12:28 AM
LT was a better player and is a better person than ray

Better person?

ShakeandBake
01-30-2013, 12:38 AM
Better person?

Yes better person, soliciting prostitution versus an involvement in a murder, really not that tough of a call.

BuffyBlueII
01-30-2013, 12:48 AM
Yes better person, soliciting prostitution versus an involvement in a murder, really not that tough of a call.

+1

BuffyBlueII
01-30-2013, 12:58 AM
What LT did is WAY MORE heinous then a murder allegation. RL was not convicted. If you are convinced he murdered someone then thats your opnion.
Thats not what was decided in court. What he paid off was a civil suit not the criminal suit IIRC.

On the field. LT was better at his position then RL was at his. With that said RL is one of the top LBs to ever play the game for sure.

WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.

Ray Lewis attempted to cover up a killing that was committed by some of his friends or at least, this is the extent of the involvement in the incident that he admitted to for his plea deal. His friends were found “not guilty” due to self defense. One of the people that died due to the self defense was stabbed 3 times in the chest and five times in the liver. Ray Lewis paid money to the dead guys families. Original statements by the driver implicated Ray in the incident and the driver later changed his story. Ray Lewis was involved in the killing of 2 individuals. He was hanging out with knife weilding degenerates that got off in court. Ray Lewis has never owned up to his involvement nor has he ever produced the clothes he was wearing that night.

It is not even close in either regard. LT is The Greatest defensive player ever and we may never see another football player as Great as he was. LT although making many mistakes is a much better person off the field than Ray Lewis is.

nhpgiantsfan
01-30-2013, 01:35 AM
WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.

Ray Lewis attempted to cover up a killing that was committed by some of his friends or at least, this is the extent of the involvement in the incident that he admitted to for his plea deal. His friends were found “not guilty” due to self defense. One of the people that died due to the self defense was stabbed 3 times in the chest and five times in the liver. Ray Lewis paid money to the dead guys families. Original statements by the driver implicated Ray in the incident and the driver later changed his story. Ray Lewis was involved in the killing of 2 individuals. He was hanging out with knife weilding degenerates that got off in court. Ray Lewis has never owned up to his involvement nor has he ever produced the clothes he was wearing that night.

It is not even close in either regard. LT is The Greatest defensive player ever and we may never see another football player as Great as he was. LT although making many mistakes is a much better person off the field than Ray Lewis is.

Completely agree. Now brace yourself for the naive "innocent until proven guilty" responses.

Marvelousmik
01-30-2013, 05:26 AM
WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.


So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?

Markroman
01-30-2013, 09:40 AM
Big difference between LT and Ray Lewis.

LT always fessed up to his failings as a human being.

Ray Lewis never did and never will.

Toadofsteel
01-30-2013, 09:49 AM
Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?

nhpgiantsfan
01-30-2013, 09:59 AM
Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?

For me it has nothing to do with SB35. If Ray wasn't on the Ravens I would be pulling hard for them right now.

VBGiantsFan
01-30-2013, 10:10 AM
Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?

I don't think any Giants fan has a vested interest in the Carolina Panthers and I'm sure we can all agree Ray Carruth is scum. The fact Lewis was on the Ravens in 2000 against the Giants has nothing to do with comparing his on field play and personal life to LT, who is our great LB and social pariah.

To call people "butt hurt" about Lewis because we don't think highly of a man involved in a murder is ignorant.

bigblue58
01-30-2013, 10:30 AM
On the field, Ray Lewis is arguably the greatest LB of this generation. Likewise, LT IS the greatest of his generation, maybe of all time. However, they do play different positions. Lewis is also going for his second Superpbowl, possibly tying LT. On the field, who is/was more important to their team? Is LT's play too much for Lewis to overcome or does Lewis's leadership prove him to be more valuable on a possibly let talented team?

Off the field, Lewis has changed his image into a humble and spiritual leader for his community. However, it is not in the distant past he was up for murder charges, paying off families of victims, and lets not forget (thank you Mrs. Welker) his 5 kids and 4 wives. That is hardly the resume of a role model.

Off the field, LT is linked heavily to drugs, prison, and more recently, sex with a minor and prostitution. While he has not shown to have too many redeeming qualities or even attempted to rehabilitate his image like Lewis has, it is hard to look past the fact that drugs and prostitution is nowhere near as heinous as murder.

So, what is everyone's opinions of Lewis vs. LT on and off the field?

LT was more dominant than Ray Lewis on the field....period end of discussion.
As human beings off the field, neither one is worth a plug nickel....I don't care how many times Lewis invokes the name of the lord.
Apparently, Lewis skipped over the parts of the good book where it talks about vanity being a sin. He's more snake oil salesman than preacher, and his blatant self promotion borders on obscene!
Lewis is more Elmer Gantry than Billy Graham.

dezzzR
01-30-2013, 11:41 AM
What LT did is WAY MORE heinous then a murder allegation. RL was not convicted. If you are convinced he murdered someone then thats your opnion.
Thats not what was decided in court. What he paid off was a civil suit not the criminal suit IIRC.

On the field. LT was better at his position then RL was at his. With that said RL is one of the top LBs to ever play the game for sure.Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?

Morehead State
01-30-2013, 11:49 AM
Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?
Depends if he was guilty of not.

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 11:50 AM
Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?

If that hooker is my daughter, yes. I'll have to actually face the reality of how horrible a parent I am.

ny06
01-30-2013, 12:05 PM
If that hooker is my daughter, yes. I'll have to actually face the reality of how horrible a parent I am.
Can you imagine the reality of the parents of the victims feel? Their children were taking away viciously and the perpetrators are walking around enjoying life because in the courts eyes they defended themselves.

CowboysSuck
01-30-2013, 12:13 PM
LT is the best player to ever play the position of Linebacker. Shall you have a differeing opinion, I suggest you gtfo off the Giants Messgae Baords.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBH9OOQgXsc

go watch. LT his rookie year just single handedly take over the game.

CowboysSuck
01-30-2013, 12:18 PM
2 SB rings, 8 first team all pro, 133 sacks+** , 9 pro bowls.

This guy was mean. and fast and big and could dictate to any offense what was going on. He demanded double team, triple team. His name was Lawrence Taylor, not ray lewis. I dont wanna hear any crap about how Ray is "the best defensive player to ever stop on the gridiron" its crap. LT was more athletic, didnt take roids, and didnt have his hand in a double murder. There so much more I want to say but its annoying to type it all. I hate some of you...;)

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 12:25 PM
Can you imagine the reality of the parents of the victims feel? Their children were taking away viciously and the perpetrators are walking around enjoying life because in the courts eyes they defended themselves.

I was actually making a joke but I agree with you and Dezz. No amount of money or anything else in the world could ever help me get over that feeling of the loss of a loved one like that.

ShakeandBake
01-30-2013, 12:54 PM
So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?

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BJacobs aka The Problem
01-30-2013, 05:41 PM
So is thread about football or did I stumble into the GiantsTMZ forum?

Personally, don't give a rats *** about what these guys have done off the field. They'll be judged in whatever way follows suit. Now speaking of their football careers:

Like many have already noted, LT is perhaps the greatest defensive player to play the game. Period. He was a force that had to be accounted for every snap. Offenses had to change because of LT. They just didn't change a play or decide not run his way, they had to change the way they operated in order to have a chance to be successful.

Lewis on the other hand, he's up there in the discussion as one of the best inside linebackers to play the game, but that's it. That's nothing to sneeze at and in no way am I discounting that he will go down as being one of the greats, but there's a huge difference in how opposing teams prepared and entered the game when having to play these two.

primetime
01-31-2013, 12:33 AM
One player revolutionized the position, the other played it.

BuffyBlueII
01-31-2013, 03:05 AM
So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?

Well, the title of the thread LT VS Ray Lewis on the field and off so it is going to stir up comments about their lives off the field.

It is around the 2:36 mark that LT talks about sending escorts over to oppossing football players rooms. I think it is actually funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-2s_xby23g

Marvelousmik
01-31-2013, 04:49 AM
It is around the 2:36 mark that LT talks about sending escorts over to oppossing football players rooms. I think it is actually funny.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-2s_xby23g

Lmfao.

I think people are waaaay to sensitive. One guy bang's Ho's and does drugs.(welcome to America). The other is trying to correct past mistakes by being a positive role model.

I see 2 guys living their lives the way they want and not hurting anyone. Whats the problem here again?

BuffyBlueII
01-31-2013, 06:37 AM
Lmfao.

I think people are waaaay to sensitive. One guy bang's Ho's and does drugs.(welcome to America). The other is trying to correct past mistakes by being a positive role model.

I see 2 guys living their lives the way they want and not hurting anyone. Whats the problem here again?

I don’t think it really is a problem. Posters are responding to the title of the thread.

So much for the tall theory huh? Don’t feel bad because I didn’t think he did the sending of the escorts to the oppossing teams room till someone showed me the link too. Then I LMAO.

ShakeandBake
01-31-2013, 11:19 AM
Lmfao.

I think people are waaaay to sensitive. One guy bang's Ho's and does drugs.(welcome to America). The other is trying to correct past mistakes by being a positive role model.

I see 2 guys living their lives the way they want and not hurting anyone. Whats the problem here again?

WOAH, wait a minute here buddy, who do you think you are to pass judgement on these players?

sodbuster
01-31-2013, 11:45 AM
when RL has 2 huge DT in front of him he is a good player. with out the huge DT he is just another player.... it did'n matter who played in front of LT they could not stop him.. LT is why teams HAD to use the 2 TE formation..the best football player who ever play the game i don't know about that.. R.WHITE was a great player!!!

GameTime
01-31-2013, 02:16 PM
So I guess you find it completely normal that a group of guys including a proffesional football player, needed to uses knives to defend themselves against these two men. If it was honest self defense, why didn't they just all come forward from the beginning and call the police. Why wouldn't Lewis just provide the bloody suit to the police. And if they were completley innocent and just "defending" themselves, why would Ray Lewis give money to the families of the people that were attacking him and his friends, that they had to kill, in self defense. Do you smell that fish???
if you got into a fight and killed somebody in self defense you would go right to the cops and and tell your story??
OK....right

BuffyBlueII
01-31-2013, 03:28 PM
if you got into a fight and killed somebody in self defense you would go right to the cops and and tell your story??
OK....right


Nah. I would immediately flee the scene, get rid of bloody clothes and cover for my friends that stabbed 1 of the guys 3 times in the chest and 5 times in the liver in self defense.

Morehead State
01-31-2013, 03:36 PM
So is thread about football or did I stumble into the GiantsTMZ forum?

Personally, don't give a rats *** about what these guys have done off the field. They'll be judged in whatever way follows suit. Now speaking of their football careers:

Like many have already noted, LT is perhaps the greatest defensive player to play the game. Period. He was a force that had to be accounted for every snap. Offenses had to change because of LT. They just didn't change a play or decide not run his way, they had to change the way they operated in order to have a chance to be successful.

Lewis on the other hand, he's up there in the discussion as one of the best inside linebackers to play the game, but that's it. That's nothing to sneeze at and in no way am I discounting that he will go down as being one of the greats, but there's a huge difference in how opposing teams prepared and entered the game when having to play these two.

There is a lot of validity in this post.
In my case, I simply don't want to know. I just want to watch them play and be done with them. Unfortunately, we have to hear all this crap and its hard not to let it effect your opinion of a player.
Better to just not know.

njg85m
01-31-2013, 03:39 PM
So youve played god & already judged lewis? Theres a reason he wasnt convicted of murder, if the state had any solid evidence that he was the one that killed the guy, hed be in prison till this day....was he there? Obviously. ..does he know what happend? I'm sure...did he actually kill the guy? You & everyone else will never know...

OJ Was acquitted . Please tell me you have the same reaction when people refer to him as a Murderer.

njg85m
01-31-2013, 03:41 PM
BTW Back to the topic. LT was more impactful. It's not debatable. Ray is great, and will be one of the best ever, but LT changed the game permanently. Many offensive schemes you see to this day only exist because of one person: Lawrence Taylor.

dezzzR
01-31-2013, 03:41 PM
if you got into a fight and killed somebody in self defense you would go right to the cops and and tell your story??
OK....rightI think you have too. Cant just leave the scene or try and cover it up because it looks worse. The person looks guilty of something. If youre forthcoming and say it was self defense its more believable.

GameTime
01-31-2013, 03:47 PM
Nah. I would immediately flee the scene, get rid of bloody clothes and cover for my friends that stabbed 1 of the guys 3 times in the chest and 5 times in the liver in self defense.
see....:)

Martin
01-31-2013, 06:26 PM
LT was just amazing and Lewis in his own right a very special HOF player
as well.

Off the field LT had his demons and its seems they
are still with him till this day.

Ray Lewis on the other hand stays clear
of being a nightly news target. Being associated
with a murder is a serious issue but that was a long
time ago, I am not supporting ray lewis but LT's off field
issues have been documented for years to present.

Lewis seems to have cleaned up his act for awhile now.

myles2424
01-31-2013, 09:30 PM
OJ Was acquitted . Please tell me you have the same reaction when people refer to him as a Murderer.
there was a reason the nation was shocked when OJ was acquitted & nobody realy cared about Lewis......There was unreal evidence against OJ & the prosecution couldnt even come up with anything solid against lewis besides perhaps not ratting on his friends...

B&RWarrior
01-31-2013, 11:03 PM
So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?

Best comment on the thread thus far. I'll stick to a football analysis. LT was 3 times as dominant as Ray Lewis. LEAGUE MVP!!!!! He was the reason I became a Giants fan. He was the God of War on the battlefield. Youtube has Ray and LT highlights If you compare the two then you'll see that there really is no comparison.

sheli no more
01-31-2013, 11:17 PM
Depends if he was guilty of not.

Eff ew! U should give more head to Lewis and Gore

myles2424
01-31-2013, 11:36 PM
Eff ew! U should give more head to Lewis and Gore
Hhhhuhh

chasjay
02-01-2013, 12:04 AM
On the field, Ray Lewis is an excellent LB who comes up a bit short in comparison to LT's natural ability and in the way LT was able to dictate the course of a football game.

Off the field - well, I just don't know. I feel that we all think we know that Ray Lewis is not innocent - but none of us can be sure what he is guilty of. I believe I know what LT was guilty of. I think LT was guilty of wanting too much fun - and hurting some people in the pursuit of it.

I'll stick with watching the games and the plays that the players make and accept that for what it is. If I want a sports hero, I'll look to one of the many athletes around that you'd like your kid to model themselves after. There are plenty of them - in all ages and races.

Cool Papa B.
02-01-2013, 12:05 AM
I agree with the comments of LT changing the game and being the greatest OLB of all time and Lewis being one of the best MLB of al time.

The other difference between the two is there attitude on the field. LT was about playing the game and putting hurtings on dude's. His work ethic And attitude was as blue as the jersey he wore for so many years. Lewis with his annoying pregame dance, attention getting eye black and camera hungry chanting comes off really self consumed and star hungry. Besides Deon Sanders I can't think of any football player with a bigger "look at me" jones than Ray Lewis.

bigblue58
02-01-2013, 02:05 PM
If that hooker is my daughter, yes. I'll have to actually face the reality of how horrible a parent I am.


Yeah right.....the girl with the beat up face, and her parents were to blame for her being there!
Never mind that she wasn't even a hooker, that the pimp beat and forced her to go, and that given her first opportunity, she phoned her uncle who had the police waiting for the lowlife when he brought her back to the neighborhood.
Sound like any hooker you've ever heard of???

TuckandRolle
02-01-2013, 02:11 PM
Lewis loves to hear himself talk, he's a clown off the field anyway you look at it.

njg85m
02-01-2013, 03:22 PM
there was a reason the nation was shocked when OJ was acquitted & nobody realy cared about Lewis......There was unreal evidence against OJ & the prosecution couldnt even come up with anything solid against lewis besides perhaps not ratting on his friends...

Right. The fact that it was such a huge deal had nothing to do with OJ being an A-list mainstream celebrity at the time who led the police on a primetime TV car chase?

Also, If you're going to use the "not guilty" or "acquitted" specifics in your criteria, at least be consistent. You're saying that by your judgement, and your judgement alone the evidence against OJ was strong enough for you to form a guilty despite being found innocent opinion, yet at the same time Ray Lewis was declared 'innocent' therefore everyone needs to let it go and accept him as being innocent.

Sorry, your reasoning is far from consistent enough to make a shred of sense whatsoever.

miked1958
02-01-2013, 08:16 PM
Kinda torn on this game. I don't want to see niners go 6-0 in SBs but also don't like ravens

Giantslb66
02-02-2013, 09:24 AM
LT is the GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER of all time. Period