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BiGbLuEcReW10
01-30-2013, 06:20 AM
1st round) Ezekiel Ansah, BYU: DE: (6-5, 270, Sr.)

The Cougars' big defensive lineman boasts a unique combination of size and speed that will get scouts excited. He is a raw prospect with much to learn about the end, tackle or outside backer position. He could play (http://boards.giants.com/#) in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme at a variety of positions. Kyle Van Noy got most of the offensive line attention but Ansah showed loads of growth in 2012. He posted 57 tackles, 13.0 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks. shows the athleticism that Jerry Reese loves this kid has crazy upside!!!

2nd round) Larry Warford, Kentucky:G: (6-3, 330, Sr.)
Kentucky has not been good in 2012 but it hasnít been Warfordís fault. He has elite size and has long been considered one of the top blockers in the SEC. He faces elite defenses each and every weekend, including a few potential first rounders like Sheldon Richardson and Sharrif Floyd, and more than holds his own. His teams are generally overmatched, making his efforts even more impressive due to work ethic and toughness.

3rd round)Shayne Skov, Stanford:LB: (6-3, 242, Sr.)
Off the field issues,injuries and a DUI (http://boards.giants.com/#) have slowed Skovís career over the last few seasons. Yet, his impact was immediate when he stepped on campus. He leads one of the best front sevens in the game with elite size and physicality. He is an extremely tough player with tremendous instincts and tackling ability. If healthy and focused, he might be one of the most talented players in the nation at his position.

4th round) RaíShede Hageman, Minnesota :DT: (6-6, 300, Jr.)
This massive prospect has been a late mover on draft boards. He has a huge frame with plenty of room to add bulk and power. He also hasn't played a ton of football so his better days are well of ahead of him. He has quickly proven to be a productive member of an improving defense. He has extremely intriguing upside and could be a value pick in the early middle rounds.

5th round)Tharold Simon, LSU:CB: (6-2, 190, Jr.)
One guy that isnít lacking for elite NFL size is Simon. He was used in 2011 as a coverman as Mathieu was pushed into a nickel role on passing downs. He has a huge frame that is long and extremely athletic. He will need plenty of polish before he can start on the next (http://boards.giants.com/#) level, but make no mistake about the Bayou Bengal's tremendous raw upside. Few players have more athleticism and size than LSUís top coverman.

6th round) Cameron Fleming - Stanford:T: (6'6 308 lbs)
Fleming is a young lineman with a long way to go in his development, but one who could have a bright future ahead of him. He's got great size for a right tackle, and he's an effective run blocker. Fleming needs to improve his technique against smaller, quicker defenders, but could be a mauler at the next level if he continues to develop.

7th round) Greg Reid - Florida State:CB: ( 5'9 175 lbs)
Reid was a potential high round pick before he got himself kicked out of FSU. Undersized, but good ball skills, should get a look as a late round flier seems like a Jerry Reese pick

Kruunch
01-30-2013, 07:54 AM
So for the oline you're projecting we have:

Diehl, Boothe, Beatty, Locklear, Snee, Baas, Petrus, Brewer, Cordle, McCants, Mosely, Warford, Hageman and Fleming?

That's a lot of oline :D

And for CBs we'll have CWeb, Prince, Hosely, Tryon, Terrence, Reid, and Simon?

That's a lot of CBs :D

Toadofsteel
01-30-2013, 08:30 AM
My only beef here is that you don't draft a T until round 6. Warford is a nice pickup, but I'd rather see a T early and a G later for development purposes to take over for Snee. Just my $.02

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 09:14 AM
So for the oline you're projecting we have:

Diehl, Boothe, Beatty, Locklear, Snee, Baas, Petrus, Brewer, Cordle, McCants, Mosely, Warford, Hageman and Fleming?

That's a lot of oline :D

And for CBs we'll have CWeb, Prince, Hosely, Tryon, Terrence, Reid, and Simon?

That's a lot of CBs :D Not sure if your joking or not with the smile faces but u need to make cuts every season. its not like the CB's or OLineman are that good that u have the need to keep all the 1's from last year
I would expect Cweb, Prince, Hosley ,Simon would be locks the other guys would fight for 1 or 2 spots.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 09:16 AM
My only beef here is that you don't draft a T until round 6. Warford is a nice pickup, but I'd rather see a T early and a G later for development purposes to take over for Snee. Just my $.02 I really hope Snee was just hurt this season he is to young for a Guard to start a decline already


On a side note I think it was a mistake for Van Noy not to declare. I dont see him putting up the same season without Ansah

TCHOF
01-30-2013, 09:18 AM
So for the oline you're projecting we have:

Diehl, Boothe, Beatty, Locklear, Snee, Baas, Petrus, Brewer, Cordle, McCants, Mosely, Warford, Hageman and Fleming?

That's a lot of oline :D

And for CBs we'll have CWeb, Prince, Hosely, Tryon, Terrence, Reid, and Simon?

That's a lot of CBs :D
Locklear may not make it back -- his injury was real bad.

McCants and Mosley are paractice squadders who are by no means assured a spot on the team.

Cordle and Brewer will be gone if we use a higher pick on OT/G

BlueSabbath
01-30-2013, 10:08 AM
Locklear may not make it back -- his injury was real bad.

McCants and Mosley are paractice squadders who are by no means assured a spot on the team.

Cordle and Brewer will be gone if we use a higher pick on OT/G

If we got Greg Reid in the 7th round, that could be the steal of the draft. Great corner, great return man and was a gamechanger for FSU. Probably the only player with any ties to FSU in this draft that I would want.

Carter.525
01-30-2013, 10:23 AM
I like the Warford & Skov picks.. I feel Ansah is a pipe dream now..

Toadofsteel
01-30-2013, 10:38 AM
I really hope Snee was just hurt this season he is to young for a Guard to start a decline already

He's 31... that said, I too hope that it was just that hip injury that was bothering him this season.

Kruunch
01-30-2013, 11:54 AM
Not sure if your joking or not with the smile faces but u need to make cuts every season. its not like the CB's or OLineman are that good that u have the need to keep all the 1's from last year
I would expect Cweb, Prince, Hosley ,Simon would be locks the other guys would fight for 1 or 2 spots.

My point was that you only keep 8 oline and 4 CBs normally ... so which 6 and 3 do you cut/not sign respectively?

In other words, I think he double (and triple) dipped too much in his mock.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 12:43 PM
My point was that you only keep 8 oline and 4 CBs normally ... so which 6 and 3 do you cut/not sign respectively?

In other words, I think he double (and triple) dipped too much in his mock. 4 CB's is not enough and I wouldnt mind cutting any of the guys after the 4 I listed Pricne,Web,Hosley,Simon the rest suck anyway

Kruunch
01-30-2013, 01:21 PM
4 CB's is not enough and I wouldnt mind cutting any of the guys after the 4 I listed Pricne,Web,Hosley,Simon the rest suck anyway

Really? You're saying the 5th round prospect who hasn't played a down in the NFL (not to mention our system) is a keeper?

That's brave.

Mlerman17
01-30-2013, 01:59 PM
Really? You're saying the 5th round prospect who hasn't played a down in the NFL (not to mention our system) is a keeper?That's brave.U never know but Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick.

Kruunch
01-30-2013, 02:40 PM
U never know ....

My only point.

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 02:43 PM
Really? You're saying the 5th round prospect who hasn't played a down in the NFL (not to mention our system) is a keeper?

That's brave.

You have to consider that the Giants rarely cut a player in his 1st year or they at least get to go on the PS. McCants has to be the worst prospect I've ever seen for the Giants in recent years and even he is still around for us. This team does let most of their rookies play out 2-3 years of their rookie contracts before they are let go. So it is a safe bet to assume that 5th round CB John Doe would be a roster lock heading into 2013.

Kruunch
01-30-2013, 02:50 PM
You have to consider that the Giants rarely cut a player in his 1st year or they at least get to go on the PS. McCants has to be the worst prospect I've ever seen for the Giants in recent years and even he is still around for us. This team does let most of their rookies play out 2-3 years of their rookie contracts before they are let go. So it is a safe bet to assume that 5th round CB John Doe would be a roster lock heading into 2013.

That's only true of picks 1-3. Everyone else is expendable (re: Phillip Dillard).

TheEnigma
01-30-2013, 02:55 PM
That's only true of picks 1-3. Everyone else is expendable (re: Phillip Dillard).

Even Dillard played out his rookie year. I guess I should have just said that drafted rookies essentially have to murder someone or be involved in some huge bank robbery to be cut from the team.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 05:02 PM
You have to consider that the Giants rarely cut a player in his 1st year or they at least get to go on the PS. McCants has to be the worst prospect I've ever seen for the Giants in recent years and even he is still around for us. This team does let most of their rookies play out 2-3 years of their rookie contracts before they are let go. So it is a safe bet to assume that 5th round CB John Doe would be a roster lock heading into 2013. Yeah a 5th rounder I dont think they would let loose.The only 1 that hasnt made the roster in recent memory was Bomar. They just dont carry 3 QB's. I actually think Simon is better than he is given credit for and if if the Giants wanted to play a more physical zone system he would be an ideal target. Sanders Cummings is another guy that would work.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 05:11 PM
Even Dillard played out his rookie year. I guess I should have just said that drafted rookies essentially have to murder someone or be involved in some huge bank robbery to be cut from the team.Under Reese every Draft pick in the first 5 rounds has made the 53 man roster except Bomar

slipknottin
01-30-2013, 05:35 PM
Under Reese every Draft pick in the first 5 rounds has made the 53 man roster except Bomar

Most of the 6 and 7th rounders have as well, apart from QBs.

2007 everyone made it rookie year
2008 DE Henderson went on IR, QB Woodson to the practice squad
2009 was really the fluke year, both the late round CBs they drafted got waived, (largely because UDFA Bruce Johnson outplayed them), Bomar was originally waived and put on the practice squad, but then made the active roster later in the season.
2010 everyone made it
2011 everyone made it
2012 McCants went to the practice squad, Mosley went on IR. Otherwise everyone made it.

So really the rookies are almost guaranteed to make the team, provided they arent either a QB, or a late round OL.

BiGbLuEcReW10
01-30-2013, 05:44 PM
My point was that you only keep 8 oline and 4 CBs normally ... so which 6 and 3 do you cut/not sign respectively?

In other words, I think he double (and triple) dipped too much in his mock.



The reason that I picked the players that I did, is because of our serious lack of any talented depth that the G-Men have at both positions and they always seem to need CBs and the O-line needs some more talent. I just don't see the problems with this draft like you do!!

slipknottin
01-30-2013, 05:55 PM
The reason that I picked the players that I did, is because of our serious lack of any talented depth that the G-Men have at both positions and they always seem to need CBs and the O-line needs some more talent. I just don't see the problems with this draft like you do!!

The giants have a lot of mid/late round developmental OL. Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. So does adding more mid/late round prospects help there? Im not sure. If they dont like what they have in the current guys and are willing to move on from them in year 2, then perhaps. But there is not roster space for all of them. Another possibility is moving them up the depth chart, for instance starting Brewer at RT, and releasing Diehl, that would give extra roster spots for rookies.

CB they take usually 4 or 5, so Webster, Prince, Hosley, and they could probably add another guy or two.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 06:11 PM
The giants have a lot of mid/late round developmental OL. Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. So does adding more mid/late round prospects help there? Im not sure. If they dont like what they have in the current guys and are willing to move on from them in year 2, then perhaps. But there is not roster space for all of them. Another possibility is moving them up the depth chart, for instance starting Brewer at RT, and releasing Diehl, that would give extra roster spots for rookies.

CB they take usually 4 or 5, so Webster, Prince, Hosley, and they could probably add another guy or two. I have no problem with adding more CB competition at the back of the roster. The 1's we have now can easily be upgraded. Would u really be upset if only Web,Prince and Hosley stick from last year I wouldnt care.

Redeyejedi
01-30-2013, 06:13 PM
The giants have a lot of mid/late round developmental OL. Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. So does adding more mid/late round prospects help there? Im not sure. If they dont like what they have in the current guys and are willing to move on from them in year 2, then perhaps. But there is not roster space for all of them. Another possibility is moving them up the depth chart, for instance starting Brewer at RT, and releasing Diehl, that would give extra roster spots for rookies.

CB they take usually 4 or 5, so Webster, Prince, Hosley, and they could probably add another guy or two. We never seem to have enough CB's on the roster. U need at least 5. Look what happened this year when they put Coe on IR

BiGbLuEcReW10
01-30-2013, 08:55 PM
The giants have a lot of mid/late round developmental OL. Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. So does adding more mid/late round prospects help there? Im not sure. If they dont like what they have in the current guys and are willing to move on from them in year 2, then perhaps. But there is not roster space for all of them. Another possibility is moving them up the depth chart, for instance starting Brewer at RT, and releasing Diehl, that would give extra roster spots for rookies.

CB they take usually 4 or 5, so Webster, Prince, Hosley, and they could probably add another guy or two.

I just think with the way that the Oline looked last year having more competition isnt a bad problem to have.:cool:

Kruunch
01-31-2013, 09:07 AM
The reason that I picked the players that I did, is because of our serious lack of any talented depth that the G-Men have at both positions and they always seem to need CBs and the O-line needs some more talent. I just don't see the problems with this draft like you do!!

Obviously since you posted the mock.

Just not a fan of it is all (nothing against you personally bubba).

Kruunch
01-31-2013, 09:11 AM
The giants have a lot of mid/late round developmental OL. Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. So does adding more mid/late round prospects help there? Im not sure. If they dont like what they have in the current guys and are willing to move on from them in year 2, then perhaps. But there is not roster space for all of them. Another possibility is moving them up the depth chart, for instance starting Brewer at RT, and releasing Diehl, that would give extra roster spots for rookies.

CB they take usually 4 or 5, so Webster, Prince, Hosley, and they could probably add another guy or two.

And Tryon who they're high on.

I think they pick one CB of note in this draft ... if another CB is taken, it'd more than likely be a UFA.

Kruunch
01-31-2013, 09:12 AM
We never seem to have enough CB's on the roster. U need at least 5. Look what happened this year when they put Coe on IR

We only carry four on the 53 man roster though iirc.

shocknaweny
01-31-2013, 02:04 PM
I like Ansah but other than that not really in love with this mock.