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GoDeep80
02-02-2013, 02:10 PM
If the Giants don't reach a happy conclusion with Cruz about his contract what if we traded him to the Jets for Revis? I mean we have receivers waiting in the wings and Revis already has his contract which it THINK is less than what Cruz is asking to be paid. This would solve our Corner problem and give us two shutdown corners, Revis and Cruz don't have to move anywhere. and we just ad WR to our draft list if need be.

DBs
Revis
Amukamara
Webster-Cut
Hosley
etc..

nhpgiantsfan
02-02-2013, 02:23 PM
He has one year left on his contract and already wants to renegotiate. And he is looking for way more money than Cruz will get. All this with an ACL. Pass on Revis.

BigBlue1971
02-02-2013, 02:25 PM
i wouldnt want that! Cruz is approaching his prime, Revis is at his already and on the way down imo!

NorwoodBlue
02-02-2013, 02:31 PM
i wouldnt want that! Cruz is approaching his prime, Revis is at his already and on the way down imo!

Revis us also a big question mark with that bad knee. I don't like the idea.

Mr. G-Man
02-02-2013, 03:55 PM
trade cruz for persy harvin!

Carter.525
02-02-2013, 04:04 PM
trade Cruz for JJ Watt & Arian Foster

gmen0820
02-02-2013, 04:11 PM
Well, we probably won't be able to afford either when they're up for a new contract, but I'd still say no. Revis is coming off an ACL, no thanks.

JesseJames
02-02-2013, 04:49 PM
trade Cruz for JJ Watt & Arian Foster JJ Watt is one of the most outstanding D players I have seen in a lot of years and the people here in Houston absolutely love him, plus he's damn good person.

nhpgiantsfan
02-02-2013, 04:53 PM
trade Cruz for JJ Watt & Arian Foster

Why in the world would Houston do that?

penguinfarmer
02-02-2013, 05:09 PM
Why in the world would Houston do that?

Right. They should at least throw in Andre and four of their offfensive line as well.

BLUDude92
02-02-2013, 06:23 PM
Adrian Peterson was also coming off an acl......

BLUDude92
02-02-2013, 06:25 PM
just look what he did

drewz
02-02-2013, 06:40 PM
trade cruz for joe montania

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:09 PM
If we can't afford Cruz how the **** could we afford Revis?!?!?!

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:10 PM
Adrian Peterson was also coming off an acl......And AP is an outlier.

gmen0820
02-02-2013, 09:11 PM
And AP is an outlier.Outlier shmoutlier!

jomo
02-02-2013, 09:31 PM
If the Giants don't reach a happy conclusion with Cruz about his contract what if we traded him to the Jets for Revis? I mean we have receivers waiting in the wings and Revis already has his contract which it THINK is less than what Cruz is asking to be paid. This would solve our Corner problem and give us two shutdown corners, Revis and Cruz don't have to move anywhere. and we just ad WR to our draft list if need be.

DBs
Revis
Amukamara
Webster-Cut
Hosley
etc..Trade a young healthy receiver for an older CB coming off an acl?

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 09:46 PM
If we can't afford Cruz how the **** could we afford Revis?!?!?!

Who said we cant afford Cruz?

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 09:47 PM
Anyone who wouldnt trade Cruz for Revis is completely nuts.

Insane. Revis is a first ballot HOFer.

He would change the giants 32nd ranked defense to a top 10, probably top 5 defense every single year he was here.

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 09:48 PM
And AP is an outlier.

Jamaal Charles coming off an ACL ran for 1500 yards.

Eric Berry coming off an ACL went to the probowl.

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:49 PM
Who said we cant afford Cruz?It was part of the OP's premise... "If the Giants don't reach a happy conclusion ith Cruz about his contract..."

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 09:50 PM
It was part of the OP's premise... "If the Giants don't reach a happy conclusion ith Cruz about his contract..."

Thats not the same thing.

They could sign Cruz to a 100 million dollar deal if they really wanted. They have the cap room to do that. They would have to make cuts in other areas sure. But they could if they wanted.

Theres a huge difference with being able to afford someone, and being willing to massively over pay for someone.

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:51 PM
Jamaal Charles coming off an ACL ran for 1500 yards.

Eric Berry coming off an ACL went to the probowl.
Yes. However, more players tend not to have career years after ACL surgeries, though recoveries definitely aren't near as bad as they used to be. His injury/surgery is a valid concern for teams that would be interested in him.

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:53 PM
Thats not the same thing.

They could sign Cruz to a 100 million dollar deal if they really wanted. They have the cap room to do that. They would have to make cuts in other areas sure. But they could if they wanted.

Theres a huge difference with being able to afford someone, and being willing to massively over pay for someone.
If we don't come to terms with Cruz because he wants too much money, then it'd stand that whatever Revis wants will be more than we're willing to pay for his services, too, regardless if there is some finagling way that we could ​ afford it.

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 09:55 PM
Yes. However, more players tend not to have career years after ACL surgeries, though recoveries definitely aren't near as bad as they used to be. His injury/surgery is a valid concern for teams that would be interested in him.

Sure, but theres plenty of reason to believe he could be the same player after it too.


If we don't come to terms with Cruz because he wants too much money, then it'd stand that whatever Revis wants will be more than we're willing to pay for his services, too, regardless if there is some finagling way that we could ​ afford it.

Again, its not the same thing.

Having the room is a totally different issue than being willing to pay a player that much.

Would the giants be willing to pay a 27 year old future HoF corner in his prime huge money? Absolutely.

Would they be willing to spend as much money on a 26 year old maybe 3 time probowl receiver the same? No way.

Revis is a once in a generation player, he is arguably the best CB to EVER play the sport.

Cruz is one of many.

Drez
02-02-2013, 09:57 PM
Sure, but theres plenty of reason to believe he could be the same player after it too.



Again, its not the same thing.

Having the room is a totally different issue than being willing to pay a player that much.

Would the giants be willing to pay a 27 year old future HoF corner in his prime huge money? Absolutely.

Would they be willing to spend as much money on a 26 year old maybe 3 time probowl receiver the same? No way.

Revis is a once in a generation player, he is arguably the best CB to EVER play the sport.

Cruz is one of many.Whatever, Slip.

Toadofsteel
02-02-2013, 10:05 PM
Who said we cant afford Cruz?

The fact that we're over the cap without any of our FA re-signed did?

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 10:08 PM
The fact that we're over the cap without any of our FA re-signed did?

Thats just a matter of what guys they want to release.

They could easily structure a Cruz deal to fit under the cap. Its a matter of not wanting to over pay for him when he is replaceable.

drewz
02-02-2013, 10:14 PM
BTW.. no one realizes with the imminent release of Terrell Thomas, we're actually under the cap

Toadofsteel
02-02-2013, 10:24 PM
BTW.. no one realizes with the imminent release of Terrell Thomas, we're actually under the cap

Barely... and we'd still not have Beatty, Cruz, Bennett, KP, either Brown, Stevie, Hixon, Rivers, or a kicker (whether Tynes or a draftee)... nor would we have room for our rookies.

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 10:26 PM
Barely... and we'd still not have Beatty, Cruz, Bennett, KP, either Brown, Stevie, Hixon, Rivers, or a kicker (whether Tynes or a draftee)... nor would we have room for our rookies.


They really arent in bad shape. This year is tighter, but it starts opening up after it. So any FAs they sign they just have to backload the deals.

Most of the FAs they would want to keep are RFAs or EFRAs.

Then there are really only 3 other guys they need to retain that arent, Beatty, Boothe, and Bennett.

drewz
02-02-2013, 10:33 PM
Barely... and we'd still not have Beatty, Cruz, Bennett, KP, either Brown, Stevie, Hixon, Rivers, or a kicker (whether Tynes or a draftee)... nor would we have room for our rookies.


Its really arent in bad shape. This year is tighter, but it starts opening up after it. So any FAs they sign they just have to backload the deals.

Don't forget in the next couple years a ton money will be coming off the books.

Snee, Diehl, Rolle, Canty, Webster, Boley... all will be gone by 2014.. so as Slip said, it's not about this year as they can structure the deals to start hitting the cap in 2014

CowboysSuck
02-02-2013, 10:37 PM
Revis is a once in a generation player, he is arguably the best CB to EVER play the sport.



Woah, lets not get too carried away here. That statement holds weight. Guys like Champ Bailey, Ronnie Lott and Mel Blount, have topped Revis' career thus far. Even our own Sehorn or Tunnell. Revis is good, but if he doesnt come back from this injury well, and never wins a SB, he CANNOT be in the conversation for best CB to ever lay foot on the gridiron. cmon man

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 10:39 PM
Woah, lets not get too carried away here. That statement holds weight. Guys like Champ Bailey and Mel Blount have topped Revis' career thus far. Even our own Sehorn. Revis is good, but if he doesnt come back from this injury well, and never wins a SB, he CANNOT be in the conversation for best CB to ever lay foot on the gridiron. cmon man

Sehorn? LOL. He isnt even the best giants CB.

Revis winning a SB has absolutely nothing to do with anything. He is without a doubt the best CB in the league since he has entered it. Mel Blount was a 4 time allpro. Revis is already 3x, and is 27 years old.

The only way Revis is not a first ballot HoF is if this injury ends his career.

Bailey will go down as one of the all time greats, long career playing at a high level certainly will help. But Revis has always been better. he is just much younger.

alentown pa
02-02-2013, 10:43 PM
Woah, lets not get too carried away here. That statement holds weight. Guys like Champ Bailey and Mel Blount have topped Revis' career thus far. Even our own Sehorn. Revis is good, but if he doesnt come back from this injury well, and never wins a SB, he CANNOT be in the conversation for best CB to ever lay foot on the gridiron. cmon man

I'm with you on Bailey, Blount was great but they were allowed to basically tackle recievers before they had the ball back then...Sehorn wasnt better than Sparks.

CowboysSuck
02-02-2013, 10:46 PM
Ok i was reaching with Sehorn lol. But when you think of names like....Rod Woodson, Deion Sanders, Ronnie Lott....these guys played long, consistent careers.

Sure, Revis is an outstanding shutdown corner. But hes only been doing it for 4 years.

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 10:47 PM
Sure, Revis is an outstanding shutdown corner. But hes only been doing it for 4 years.

So had the other guys when they were 27

CowboysSuck
02-02-2013, 10:48 PM
And they kept doing it. What im saying is Revis has the potential to be an all-time great. But lets hold off on the GOAT labels after only 4 years in the league

slipknottin
02-02-2013, 10:50 PM
And they kept doing it. What im saying is Revis has the potential to be an all-time great. But lets hold off on the GOAT labels after only 4 years in the league

He already has shown a consistently higher level of play than any of those other guys. His peak is astounding how good he is, and he played that level since part way through his rookie year every game until he was hurt this year.

giantsfan420
02-02-2013, 11:34 PM
Sehorn? LOL. He isnt even the best giants CB.

Revis winning a SB has absolutely nothing to do with anything. He is without a doubt the best CB in the league since he has entered it. Mel Blount was a 4 time allpro. Revis is already 3x, and is 27 years old.

The only way Revis is not a first ballot HoF is if this injury ends his career.

Bailey will go down as one of the all time greats, long career playing at a high level certainly will help. But Revis has always been better. he is just much younger.i only disagree with a point u made about bailey. when bailey was at his peak, he was every bit as good as revis has been and honestly, probably a bit better. for about 2-3 years, it was absolute suicide throwing at him...wasn't he originally a redskin and they traded him for clinton portis? iirc correctly, its not as fair a trade as it sounds at all...

BuffyBlueII
02-03-2013, 01:11 AM
trade Cruz for JJ Watt & Arian Foster

Houston wouldn't even consider giving JJ Watt straight up for Victor Cruz.

BuffyBlueII
02-03-2013, 01:16 AM
Trade a young healthy receiver for an older CB coming off an acl?

Darrelle Revis is 27. Victor Cruz is 26. I like Revis a lot and if he comes back healthy, he could really alleviate some serious problems we have. I don't think we have seen The Best yet from either one of these guys. However, I would rather keep Victor Cruz. The guy is a dynamic player and he was a big part of our SuperBowl victory. I think we are going to see a big season out of him coming up.

BuffyBlueII
02-03-2013, 01:21 AM
I'm with you on Bailey, Blount was great but they were allowed to basically tackle recievers before they had the ball back then...Sehorn wasnt better than Sparks.

Since the part of the discussion is coming back from a knee injury, it didn't work out for Jason Sehorn. Yeah, he came back strong and dedicated but he lost a step and that really changed his effectiveness on the field.