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Tuckit91
02-05-2013, 05:59 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

EDIT:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/05/new-york-giants-cut-linebacker-michael-boley/ - RF

EDIT2:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/michael_boley_cut_as_giants_st.html - RF

EDIT3:

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-release-LB-Michael-Boley/a43f2c41-2acc-404c-9b6f-8d1061a1f28a

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 05:59 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

Gmen2005
02-05-2013, 05:59 PM
Looks like it

Flip Empty
02-05-2013, 06:01 PM
Hmm, wasn't expecting it to happen so soon. The first cap casualty.

titwio
02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
What a coincidence...we were just discussing this today. Anyway I'm not exactly surprised at all if it's true.

Rudyy
02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
That was quick.

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
Not really a surprise. Jacquin was always going to take over at some point. He just needs to stay healthy now.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:02 PM
Hmm, wasn't expecting it to happen so soon. The first cap casualty.

If they really want to keep Nicks and Cruz, this is just the first of several releases. This moves frees up $4M+/- in 2014

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 06:05 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas
Confirmed @MikeGarafolo report that Giants cut LB Michael Boley. He was due $4.25M this year. #nyg

nycisgreat
02-05-2013, 06:05 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

Saw this one coming a mile away. He is under playing his contract.

penguinfarmer
02-05-2013, 06:05 PM
No surprise at all. I expect Diehl to be next.

nycisgreat
02-05-2013, 06:06 PM
If they really want to keep Nicks and Cruz, this is just the first of several releases. This moves frees up $4M+/- in 2014

+1.

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 06:07 PM
No surprise at all. I expect Diehl to be next.

I think its more likely they ask Diehl to take a pay cut first.

Tuckit91
02-05-2013, 06:07 PM
Giants were reportedly $4.7M over the cap so they only need to lop off another $1.6M to get under the cap...

Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina
...will carry $1.4M of dead $$ this year due to the move....

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 06:08 PM
Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina
Boley was due a base of $4.25M and a $250K workout bonus this year, all of which goes into the savings.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:09 PM
No surprise at all. I expect Diehl to be next.

More likely Bradshaw

ozzie0075
02-05-2013, 06:10 PM
According to Ohm the Giants have announced he has been cut.

Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM
Giants announce they have released LB Michael Boley. #nyg

Tuckit91
02-05-2013, 06:10 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
The Giants announce they have released LB Michael Boley. He was due $4.25 million in 2013, the last year of his contract. #NYG

Its official...

Gmen2005
02-05-2013, 06:10 PM
https://twitter.com/rvacchianonydn/status/298916333721108480
Can't make it a link on my phone but vacchiano also tweeted it

titwio
02-05-2013, 06:12 PM
More likely Bradshaw

They can't really afford to cut Bradshaw, can they? He'll probably more likely get re-structured.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:12 PM
I have nothing factual to back this up, but I am thinking the "Nicks is first" approach may have resulted in the Cruz camp coming back to earth and now Reese is setting the table for both of them to get long term contracts.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:13 PM
They can't really afford to cut Bradshaw, can they? He'll probably more likely get re-structured.

I think Slip put some information out last week which showed a very minimal hit to the CAP if they were to release Bradshaw.

Flip Empty
02-05-2013, 06:14 PM
I dunno, I wouldn't feel safe with Wilson and Brown. I hope Bradshaw stays, busted foot and all.

penguinfarmer
02-05-2013, 06:16 PM
Cutting Bradshaw saves an estimated $1.25mil with 2.5mil in dead cap.

Cutting Diehl will save around 4.5mil.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:16 PM
I dunno, I wouldn't feel safe with Wilson and Brown. I hope Bradshaw stays, busted foot and all.

Hard personnel decisions need to be made and now he's had another foot surgery. I lov the guy, but it may be time UNLESS he agrees to take a pay cut and a reduced assignment.

Carter.525
02-05-2013, 06:17 PM
Holy Moses..!!

Flip Empty
02-05-2013, 06:17 PM
I think Slip put some information out last week which showed a very minimal hit to the CAP if they were to release Bradshaw.
The team would gain around $2.5 mil in cap space if they were to cut Bradshaw.

TheEnigma
02-05-2013, 06:18 PM
Good first move by Reese here in this offseason. Thanks for the service Boley but it's Jacquian's time to shine.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:18 PM
The team would gain around $2.5 mil in cap space if they were to cut Bradshaw.

We'll see who's next. I think this is the first sign of Reese clearing out as much CAP drain as he can and still be competitive in 2013.

TheEnigma
02-05-2013, 06:23 PM
If we do cut Bradshaw, we'll need to explore the option of a low cost FA RB (plenty of those there) or taking one late in the draft/picking up an UDFA. Brown is too injury prone to rely on as a solid #2 and Da'rel Scott seems better suited for ST trick plays than an actual role in the offense.

Flip Empty
02-05-2013, 06:24 PM
Actually, Andre Brown is an RFA himself, so he's no lock to return, either. What happens there could decide whether Bradshaw returns or not.

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:24 PM
I have nothing factual to back this up, but I am thinking the "Nicks is first" approach may have resulted in the Cruz camp coming back to earth and now Reese is setting the table for both of them to get long term contracts.

I hope you are right. With the rule changes and the direction the NFL is going..having Cruz and Nicks long term should be a huge priority,

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:25 PM
Actually, Andre Brown is an RFA himself, so he's no lock to return, either. What happens there could decide whether Bradshaw returns or not.

What does a 4th round tender mean in terms of salary? I think that'd be fair.

appodictic
02-05-2013, 06:25 PM
Kiwi, or tuck, or Bass should be next. They al bring next to nothing to the table.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:26 PM
If we do cut Bradshaw, we'll need to explore the option of a low cost FA RB (plenty of those there) or taking one late in the draft/picking up an UDFA. Brown is too injury prone to rely on as a solid #2 and Da'rel Scott seems better suited for ST trick plays than an actual role in the offense.

If they cut Bradshaw they are comfortab l with Brown's healing leg. We'll have to wait and see who's next. I think Beckum and Barden have to go but they are CAP neutral I'm pretty sure

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 06:27 PM
What does a 4th round tender mean in terms of salary? I think that'd be fair.

One of the Browns is an ERFA and has to take what the Giants offer or sit out next season. I'm not sure if it's Stevie or Andre

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:28 PM
Kiwi, or tuck, or Bass should be next. They al bring next to nothing to the table.

You'd figure a person with knowledge of a players performance would at least know how to spell their name. ;)

titwio
02-05-2013, 06:30 PM
Kiwi, or tuck, or Bass should be next. They al bring next to nothing to the table.

My vote is for Diehl. He's had a good career but if anyone here has underachieved, it's definitely him. Not to mention it would be very beneficial to the cap.

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:31 PM
One of the Browns is an ERFA and has to take what the Giants offer or sit out next season. I'm not sure if it's Stevie or Andre

hmm. i'm pretty sure Stevie will require a tender..I recall hearing about the possibility of a 2nd round tender on Stevie. could be wrong.

TheEnigma
02-05-2013, 06:32 PM
My vote is for Diehl. He's had a good career but if anyone here has underachieved, it's definitely him. Not to mention it would be very beneficial to the cap.

That or a paycut. He just costs us too much as a versatile backup.

Imgrate
02-05-2013, 06:34 PM
Diehl rolle webster and bradshaw should be cut as well.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 06:34 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

EDIT:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/05/new-york-giants-cut-linebacker-michael-boley/ - RF

EDIT2:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/michael_boley_cut_as_giants_st.html - RF

Keeps getting better and better, now we have 2/3 of our linebacking core out. Huge holes in OL and LB .

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:37 PM
That or a paycut. He just costs us too much as a versatile backup.


agreed.

Maybe take the route of restructure with him. I'd love to see him as our #1 backup . He's a good fill in at G and T.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 06:38 PM
More likely Bradshaw

That's a very high possible move and if it goes down we will miss Bradshaw's toughness more than his skill set.

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:39 PM
Diehl rolle webster and bradshaw should be cut as well.

between you and that other guy.. the giants should cut....

Diehl, Rolle, Webby, Bradshaw, Tuck, Baas, Kiwi

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/rvacchianonydn/status/298916333721108480
Can't make it a link on my phone but vacchiano also tweeted it
Your link is working fine bro.

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:40 PM
Keeps getting better and better, now we have 2/3 of our linebacking core out. Huge holes in OL and LB .

Should be an interesting offseason.

PRGiant
02-05-2013, 06:41 PM
Wow, not one I expected, at least not this soon. Diehl or Webs for sure...

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:42 PM
Wow, not one I expected, at least not this soon. Diehl or Webs for sure...

I'd hope to keep webby at a reduced salary. Deihl too.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 06:43 PM
I have nothing factual to back this up, but I am thinking the "Nicks is first" approach may have resulted in the Cruz camp coming back to earth and now Reese is setting the table for both of them to get long term contracts.
Have you "' heard " something new about it RF . Is Cruz agent sitting down to the table again ?

TheBookOfEli
02-05-2013, 06:46 PM
Not shocked he was cut. He didn't earn his pay last season, was great during our SB run though.

JWILL will most likely be the starter next season with Rivers at the strong side. I hope we go MLB early in the draft, though not as early as round 1.

Our Oline needs more retooling.

Eli TO Shockey
02-05-2013, 06:49 PM
Not shocked he was cut. He didn't earn his pay last season, was great during our SB run though.

JWILL will most likely be the starter next season with Rivers at the strong side. I hope we go MLB early in the draft, though not as early as round 1.

Our Oline needs more retooling.

I dont understand how Rivers can even be considered a perminant starter considering his injury plagued career,

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 06:49 PM
Should be an interesting offseason.


Plus if they cut Webby ( high possibility ) we are going to be missing a starting CB too. Jeez ! Reese was dead on about changes during offseason.

ny06
02-05-2013, 06:50 PM
Thanks for your service to the team Boley. It's always tough to see a player who helped your franchise win games or championships get let go.
But this is the nature of the business and it had to be done.
I have complete trust in Jerry Reese that he will make the right moves to ensure we keep our young talented core and retool at other positions through the draft or free agency.

Carter.525
02-05-2013, 06:52 PM
thanks for everything Michael.. I bet he goes to the Pats

Drez
02-05-2013, 07:02 PM
Diehl rolle webster and bradshaw should be cut as well.We would lose $750k by cutting Bradshaw, so I don't see him going anywhere.

Webster is a candidate, however, it's not like we have a replacement for him. If we do cut him loose, it'll be after FA starts and if we can find a replacement.

Rolle is most likely staying, especially considering we won't have enough to sign both KP and Brown.

Diehl is a likely cut/resign project. He's counting $3m+ anyway, if we can resign for ~$1m, he'd be good for veteran depth.

nhpgiantsfan
02-05-2013, 07:09 PM
More likely Bradshaw

Just can't see TC being comfortable going into the season with so much inexperience at RB.

Drez
02-05-2013, 07:12 PM
Just can't see TC being comfortable going into the season with so much inexperience at RB.More importantly, we LOSE money by cutting AB this year. Bradshaw has a base salary of $3m and if we cut him we take on $3.75m in cap penalties for the remaining amount of his signing bonus. Cutting him puts us at a net loss of $750k.

Cutting him next season makes more sense.

titwio
02-05-2013, 07:13 PM
thanks for everything Michael.. I bet he goes to the Pats

The think the Pats are fine at LB with Mayo, Spikes, Hightower. Honestly I'm not sure where he ends up.

drewz
02-05-2013, 07:26 PM
It's a travesty David Diehl wasn't the first one cut

ShakeandBake
02-05-2013, 07:26 PM
So how long until KP is gone? Think he will make it to the end of the week?

Drez
02-05-2013, 07:29 PM
So how long until KP is gone? Think he will make it to the end of the week?He's a FA. So, if we don't resign, it'll be March.

ShakeandBake
02-05-2013, 07:30 PM
He's a FA. So, if we don't resign, it'll be March.

I thought he was under contract for some reason, I highly doubt we will resign him because he would have to come cheap

titwio
02-05-2013, 07:30 PM
So how long until KP is gone? Think he will make it to the end of the week?

Phillips is set to be a free agent.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 07:42 PM
It's a travesty David Diehl wasn't the first one cut

Why?

BigBlueAllDay
02-05-2013, 07:43 PM
Thanks to Boley for his time as a Giant and that 2011 season. I don't know if Reese did this specifically to have Nicks and Cruz locked up long-term in the future as suppose to beginning to revamp and improve the LB core for next season and deal with the cap situation. Could be All of the Above.

NYG4lifeNYK
02-05-2013, 07:43 PM
Jacquian is very promising at WILL so hopefully he can stay on the field but other than him we are in rough rough shape.... I mean really... Kiwi at SAM if he doesn't move back to the D-line. Can't have Chase on our roster as anything more than a backup next season...

So who else does that leave Herzlich? We have no idea what he can give us anymore.
Paysinger? Backup at best.


Rivers is the only other LBer on the roster(assuming we resign for cheap) that has a lot of talent. We have to hope he can stay on the field...



Kiwi(SAM)? ------- Rivers(ILB) -------- Jacquian(WILL)

Paysinger, Herzlich.

That is such a sad LB corps. Zero depth. I sincerely hope we address that.


What happens if Jacquian goes down or both Rivers and Jacquian go down? Both seem to get injured a lot... jury is still out on Jacquian but Rivers MO is he cant stay healthy.

KillaRich
02-05-2013, 07:45 PM
I guess I understand for cap reasons... But Boley was our best LB ...played great during the superbowl year.... I really hope we wont be using our current LB's next season with Herzlich in the middle and not moving Kiwi back to end.... obvious sign of not seriously contending for a SB if true

Rudyy
02-05-2013, 07:46 PM
Why?You really need an explanation for that one?

Toadofsteel
02-05-2013, 07:47 PM
Best wishes to Boley, except against us of course...

Drez
02-05-2013, 07:48 PM
Jacquian is very promising at WILL so hopefully he can stay on the field but other than him we are in rough rough shape.... I mean really... Kiwi at SAM if he doesn't move back to the D-line. Can't have Chase on our roster as anything more than a backup next season...

So who else does that leave Herzlich? We have no idea what he can give us anymore.
Paysinger? Backup at best.


Rivers is the only other LBer on the roster(assuming we resign for cheap) that has a lot of talent. We have to hope he can stay on the field...



Kiwi(SAM)? ------- Rivers(ILB) -------- Jacquian(WILL)

Paysinger, Herzlich.

That is such a sad LB corps. Zero depth. I sincerely hope we address that.


What happens if Jacquian goes down or both Rivers and Jacquian go down? Both seem to get injured a lot... jury is still out on Jacquian but Rivers MO is he cant stay healthy.
Boley played pretty poorly down the stretch, which is why his play time got cut.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 07:48 PM
hmm. i'm pretty sure Stevie will require a tender..I recall hearing about the possibility of a 2nd round tender on Stevie. could be wrong.

Then maybe Andre is the ERFA which locks him in if they want him for a 3rd or 4th year vet minimum

BigBlueAllDay
02-05-2013, 07:48 PM
That is such a sad LB corps. Zero depth. I sincerely hope we address that.


What happens if Jacquian goes down or both Rivers and Jacquian go down? Both seem to get injured a lot... jury is still out on Jacquian but Rivers MO is he cant stay healthy.

There's also something called the NFL draft and free agency. I'm pretty sure Reese is confident in getting a cheaper option that can be just as good or better to have Boley cut..

KillaRich
02-05-2013, 07:52 PM
Please do not let KP walk.... I know he wasnt healthy but when hes in there the opposing teams big plays drop! Stevie Brown was awesome... but KP is still better all around

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 07:52 PM
You really need an explanation for that one?

Yes. We are facing the possibility of losing both Beatty and Boothe to free agency. It would be wise to get at least one of them signed before you jettison a versatile, albeit over the hill, lineman when you still have plenty of time to do it.

Toadofsteel
02-05-2013, 07:53 PM
Honestly I think that we just need to pick up some depth at OLB... Rivers and Williams would make great starters, but both have injury histories... On the one hand, it sucks because they sit out games. On the other hand, we should be able to get both for cheap due to said injury histories...

CDN_G-FAN
02-05-2013, 07:54 PM
There's also something called the NFL draft and free agency. I'm pretty sure Reese is confident in getting a cheaper option that can be just as good or better to have Boley cut..

according to the article on nydailynews, even with the $4 million savings from cutting boley, we're still over the cap based on 2013 salaries.

that's with no dollars for cruz or beatty or bennett.

i wouldn't hold my breath for too many FA signings.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 07:56 PM
according to the article on nydailynews, even with the $4 million savings from cutting boley, we're still over the cap based on 2013 salaries.

that's with no dollars for cruz or beatty or bennett.

i wouldn't hold my breath for too many FA signings.

True. I'm wondering if Reese dares to cut too many of our guys and risk taking us out of competition

BigBlueAllDay
02-05-2013, 07:56 PM
according to the article on nydailynews, even with the $4 million savings from cutting boley, we're still over the cap based on 2013 salaries.

that's with no dollars for cruz or beatty or bennett.

i wouldn't hold my breath for too many FA signings.

That's why I also said the NFL draft. Pre-set rookie salary-capped wages will always be a remedy of some form to a team cap problem. Expect more cuts. That's for sure.

CDN_G-FAN
02-05-2013, 07:58 PM
True. I'm wondering if Reese dares to cut too many of our guys and risk taking us out of competition

based on the cap situation, we may already be out of competition.

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 07:59 PM
That's why I also said the NFL draft. Pre-set rookie salary-capped wages will always be a remedy of some form to a team cap problem. Expect more cuts. That's for sure.

Rookies do help with the CAP, but not necessarily with individual or team productivity

Toadofsteel
02-05-2013, 07:59 PM
according to the article on nydailynews, even with the $4 million savings from cutting boley, we're still over the cap based on 2013 salaries.

that's with no dollars for cruz or beatty or bennett.

i wouldn't hold my breath for too many FA signings.

I think voiding TT's contract would basically make up the difference to get under the cap to begin with. Plus, I would easily expect to see David Diehl, Chris Canty (only if we land a stud DT in the draft), and Corey Toaster all gone as well... that would be enough to re-sign Cruz, Beatty, and Stevie right there...

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 08:01 PM
based on the cap situation, we may already be out of competition.

I don't think so, but it's going to be a job finding the balance between old and new.

Mlerman17
02-05-2013, 08:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000136465/article/michael-boley-released-by-new-york-giants

what do you guys think?

Toadofsteel
02-05-2013, 08:03 PM
In other news, Andre Brown broke his fibula...

Drez
02-05-2013, 08:04 PM
I think voiding TT's contract would basically make up the difference to get under the cap to begin with. Plus, I would easily expect to see David Diehl, Chris Canty (only if we land a stud DT in the draft), and Corey Toaster all gone as well... that would be enough to re-sign Cruz, Beatty, and Stevie right there...We don't have anyone with whom to replace Webster.

Mlerman17
02-05-2013, 08:05 PM
in other new i'm an idiot and there is already a thread..my bad

BigBlueAllDay
02-05-2013, 08:08 PM
Rookies do help with the CAP, but not necessarily with individual or team productivity

True, but you'll never be able to determine their individual or team productivity until you have them practice and play on the field over a period of time. Depending on how many rookie draft picks make the 53-man roster, the team must make the spots available for them every season and some players from the previous season will simply not return just because of that.

myles2424
02-05-2013, 08:12 PM
No suprise....bring on williams/blackburn/rivers/rookie

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 08:13 PM
In other news, Andre Brown broke his fibula...

You need to use red lol

myles2424
02-05-2013, 08:14 PM
We don't have anyone with whom to replace Webster. with drafting any decent cb, prince/hosley/rookie would be nicer than having that very overpaid bum out there....

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 08:14 PM
True, but you'll never be able to determine their individual or team productivity until you have them practice and play on the field over a period of time. Depending on how many rookie draft picks make the 53-man roster, the team must make the spots available for them every season and some players from the previous season will simply not return.

I agree, I'm just looking at our history for starting rookies

Drez
02-05-2013, 08:15 PM
with drafting any decent cb, prince/hosley/rookie would be nicer than having that very overpaid bum out there....Be careful of what you wish for.

myles2424
02-05-2013, 08:21 PM
Be careful of what you wish for. ok..keep sticking up for keeping our worst CB wich happens to be one of the highest paid guys on the team....

titwio
02-05-2013, 08:21 PM
with drafting any decent cb, prince/hosley/rookie would be nicer than having that very overpaid bum out there....

The thing is though Prince and Hosley have both shown they can't stay on the field. I'd hate to see who they'd have to put on the field if any of those guys got hurt again. I don't know how much more Justin Tryon I can take.

Drez
02-05-2013, 08:23 PM
ok..keep sticking up for keeping our worst CB wich happens to be one of the highest paid guys on the team....He played poorly last season, yes. However, to think that a rookie would be an automatic upgrade is highly foolish.

Drez
02-05-2013, 08:24 PM
The thing is though Prince and Hosley have both shown they can't stay on the field. I'd hate to see who they'd have to put on the field if any of those guys got hurt again. I don't know how much more Justin Tryon I can take.And Hosley wasn't overly impressive last season, either.

Mlerman17
02-05-2013, 08:24 PM
I wish webster would just have his salary cut in half this year. That would be a fair amount of $ to say the least and we would still have him on the field as well as have more room to sign beatty, etc.

BigBlueAllDay
02-05-2013, 08:24 PM
I agree, I'm just looking at our history for starting rookies

lol yea starting rookies isn't a outstanding theme under TC but they're at least given roster spots among the 53... at least the first 3-4 draft picks every season. I honesty think Reese is trying to revamp the LB squad to be better, quicker, run-stuffing, read-option stopping, etc... How does that saying go again? "In Reese We Trust"

KillaRich
02-05-2013, 08:25 PM
How quickly we forget how dominant C-Web was..... Not making excuses but he was beat up last season

Redeyejedi
02-05-2013, 08:29 PM
Michael Boley is a decent starter but a healthy Jacquain Williams can get that production at almost 4 million less

Redeyejedi
02-05-2013, 08:30 PM
with drafting any decent cb, prince/hosley/rookie would be nicer than having that very overpaid bum out there.... They dont have to do it now. They can look at a guy like Sean Smith and try to get him inked for about 5-6 million and still save 3 Million in cap space. If they can find a solid starter he will be gone

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 08:32 PM
Michael Boley is a decent starter but a healthy Jacquain Williams can get that production at almost 4 million less

A case of less is more :rolleyes:

bigblue58
02-05-2013, 08:43 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

EDIT:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/05/new-york-giants-cut-linebacker-michael-boley/ - RF

EDIT2:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/michael_boley_cut_as_giants_st.html - RF

Boley never was as good for us as he had been against us. The only thing I'm concerned about is cutting all these veterans when there are really no defensive draft picks from the last few years setting the world on fire.
Herzlich is a nice story but he's nothing more than a sp teams player, these LB's we picked up are either hurt or looked lost when they did see the field. I sure do hope Reese has some surprises in store because we need some of those sexy moves Reese looks down on or else we'll be putting up 30 and giving up 40. I'm not exactly brimming with confidence right now.

slipknottin
02-05-2013, 08:46 PM
Had to cut Boley. That job is J Wills.

Webster, Diehl, Canty, Rolle all are next for paycuts/releases.

egyptian420
02-05-2013, 08:54 PM
I honesty think Reese is trying to revamp the LB squad to be better, quicker, run-stuffing, read-option stopping, etcReally hope so, the thought of this gets me excited. If we can do that and our pass rush comes back, this D will be Greatly improved.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 08:54 PM
Had to cut Boley. That job is J Wills.

Webster, Diehl, Canty, Rolle all are next for paycuts/releases.
If Webster is cut lose I have a pretty good hunch who could be the 1st pick for the Giants.

slipknottin
02-05-2013, 08:55 PM
If Webster is cut lose I have a pretty good hunch who could be the 1st pick for the Giants.

Or maybe they grab a CB in free agency

Mlerman17
02-05-2013, 08:58 PM
If Webster is cut lose I have a pretty good hunch who could be the 1st pick for the Giants.

Rhodes, banks?

NYG4lifeNYK
02-05-2013, 09:03 PM
Thank you for helping us win a Championship and taking Toney Romo out for the season a couple years ago :D

I wish you the best of luck wherever you go but please don't stay in the division...


Were always one of my favorite players when you were here.


Once a Giant, Always a Giant my friend.



Who knows maybe Boley or his friends and family take a look at what fans are saying about his departure and sees this. Nothing but respect for Boley. Great Giant.

jomo
02-05-2013, 09:05 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

EDIT:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/05/new-york-giants-cut-linebacker-michael-boley/ - RF

EDIT2:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/michael_boley_cut_as_giants_st.html - RF

EDIT3:

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-release-LB-Michael-Boley/a43f2c41-2acc-404c-9b6f-8d1061a1f28a Surprising only to you my friend.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 09:06 PM
Or maybe they grab a CB in free agency
Also possible but don't think so if you ask me. Already thin at CB and if the possibility to get strong at CB turns out to be via draft and if Rhodes is available I think the Giants will jump all over him.

jomo
02-05-2013, 09:06 PM
Michael Boley is a decent starter but a healthy Jacquain Williams can get that production at almost 4 million lessIn a word, yes.

slipknottin
02-05-2013, 09:09 PM
Also possible but don't think so if you ask me. Already thin at CB and if the possibility to get strong at CB turns out to be via draft and if Rhodes is available I think the Giants will jump all over him.

Only if you think Rhodes is that much better than guys that they can find later. Im not so sure he is.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 09:10 PM
Rhodes, banks?
I think it could be Rhodes. Banks is just not a " Giants kind of CB " per say and this of course is just me talking. In the other hand Rhodes is big, physical, fast and with good ball skills with room to imporve in this last regard, he fits the mold of a Giant type of CB.

titwio
02-05-2013, 09:17 PM
Only if you think Rhodes is that much better than guys that they can find later. Im not so sure he is.

I agree. The Giants have a need at CB and as much as I like Banks (others Rhodes)...do you really think those guys will be the best available players at 19? I have my doubts about that. Reese will take the BPA and I have a feeling if guys Ogletree, Ansah and some of the big tackles are taken...he just might end up trading back this year.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 09:23 PM
Only if you think Rhodes is that much better than guys that they can find later. Im not so sure he is.
That's always a gamble and you know it, but he has all the skills and tools to excel in the next level . He looks like a Reese type of player. That been said the value /need here for the Giants would be even keel ( almost ) So many decisions will depend on how the FA will fare and or cuts/paycuts to be made but I do see it possible for the Giants to even trade down to draft him.

G-Men Surg.
02-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Here, here !

Carter.525
02-05-2013, 09:47 PM
cheers

TheBookOfEli
02-05-2013, 09:52 PM
Once a Giant, always a Giant.

Thank you for helping us win Superbowl 46. And thank you for making LMAO when you spiked the ball at that guys face,

giantyankee1976
02-05-2013, 09:54 PM
bump

Boley was the closest thing we had to a real LB in some recent years, like Kawika and Pierce were.

Flip Empty
02-05-2013, 09:58 PM
Boley was the closest thing we had to a real LB in some recent years
http://i.imgur.com/Yoy7yhC.jpg

Cloud57
02-05-2013, 10:04 PM
Boley cut? good. Hopefully he'll be replaced with someone better

B-Red22
02-05-2013, 10:15 PM
I have nothing factual to back this up, but I am thinking the "Nicks is first" approach may have resulted in the Cruz camp coming back to earth and now Reese is setting the table for both of them to get long term contracts.

that would be fantastic

RoanokeFan
02-05-2013, 10:17 PM
that would be fantastic

We'll know pretty soon. March 12th is looming

B-Red22
02-05-2013, 10:18 PM
Kiwi, or tuck, or Bass should be next. They al bring next to nothing to the table.

huh??

Drez
02-05-2013, 10:33 PM
Kiwi, or tuck, or Bass should be next. They al bring next to nothing to the table.Cutting Baas would cost us $2.5m. He's not going anywhere.

Redeyejedi
02-05-2013, 10:36 PM
Had to cut Boley. That job is J Wills.

Webster, Diehl, Canty, Rolle all are next for paycuts/releases.Dont see how they can cut Canty.

Buddy333
02-05-2013, 11:17 PM
If they cut Bradshaw they would enter the season with 3 guys that don't block all that well. I know how people think about blocking on tis board, but ask TC and Eli what they think.

Drez
02-05-2013, 11:23 PM
If they cut Bradshaw they would enter the season with 3 guys that don't block all that well. I know how people think about blocking on tis board, but ask TC and Eli what they think.If we cut Bradshaw, we'll lose $750k. That's reason enough to keep him this season.

Carter.525
02-05-2013, 11:23 PM
If we cut Bradshaw, we'll lose $750k. That's reason enough to keep him this season.

+73

Drez
02-05-2013, 11:33 PM
+73Bradshaw and Baas aren't going anywhere this season. We'll lose money if we cut them.

miked1958
02-05-2013, 11:40 PM
Some outlets still have us taking Tao at 19

myles2424
02-05-2013, 11:41 PM
He played poorly last season, yes. However, to think that a rookie would be an automatic upgrade is highly foolish.

I obviously wasnt saying a rookie was a upgrade to web....saying, prince in webs role, hosley in princes role & rookie in the 3rd spot...

Kase-1
02-05-2013, 11:42 PM
Boley was our best LB since Pierce, so I guess we'll be looking for a good cover LB in the draft because in the past few seasons Boleys coverage skills have REALLY fallen off hard. I hear a few people are loving that guy Khaseem Greene from Rutgers but im not 100% sure how he is coverage wise, but I hear the guy is a beast otherwise

miked1958
02-05-2013, 11:43 PM
Bring back the Big Fella. He belongs in blue. He'll have to talk with Stevie brown about his number seeing Stevie can argue he gains lots of yards using that number 27

Drez
02-05-2013, 11:46 PM
I obviously wasnt saying a rookie was a upgrade to web....saying, prince in webs role, hosley in princes role & rookie in the 3rd spot... I don't know if Hosley is well suited to play oustide. As Redeye and Slip have mentioned, if we can find a CB in FA that would be an improvement at a lower cost than Webster, then send him packing. But, as the roster stands now (even with a projected rookie in the mix) I'd rather take my chances with Webster another year. Yeah, he played poorly this year, but he wasn't getting lit up like the Baltimore game all season, either.

Drez
02-05-2013, 11:47 PM
Bring back the Big Fella. He belongs in blue. He'll have to talk with Stevie brown about his number seeing Stevie can argue he gains lots of yards using that number 27Why? Unless it's a retirement contract he doesn't have a spot here.

miked1958
02-05-2013, 11:54 PM
Why? Unless it's a retirement contract he doesn't have a spot here.well I should have elaborated a bit more. I don't mean for a major roll. I think he would be open to a 1/2 yr min deal using him in situational roles. I can see him helping the giants in a lesser role

Carter.525
02-06-2013, 12:00 AM
Boley was our best LB since Pierce, so I guess we'll be looking for a good cover LB in the draft because in the past few seasons Boleys coverage skills have REALLY fallen off hard. I hear a few people are loving that guy Khaseem Greene from Rutgers but im not 100% sure how he is coverage wise, but I hear the guy is a beast otherwise

Greene is a converted saftey, he's good in coverage.. a 3 down LB

Drez
02-06-2013, 12:01 AM
well I should have elaborated a bit more. I don't mean for a major roll. I think he would be open to a 1/2 yr min deal using him in situational roles. I can see him helping the giants in a lesser roleI still don't see the need for him. Brown did very well in short yardage situations. Bradshaw is a tough sledder and Wilson is a speed back with a fair amount of power. I just don't see where he fits. Which is unfortunate, as I've always liked the big lug.

Kase-1
02-06-2013, 12:04 AM
Greene is a converted saftey, he's good in coverage.. a 3 down LBVEEEERRRY Interesting, hmmmm I may have to do a new mock

Carter.525
02-06-2013, 12:06 AM
VEEEERRRY Interesting, hmmmm I may have to do a new mock

Greene in the 2nd sound good too me, If we miss out on Ogletree in the 1st..

miked1958
02-06-2013, 12:10 AM
I still don't see the need for him. Brown did very well in short yardage situations. Bradshaw is a tough sledder and Wilson is a speed back with a fair amount of power. I just don't see where he fits. Which is unfortunate, as I've always liked the big lug.i guess your right. But when I saw how he was treated by SF after he came back from his injury I felt bad for him. He didnt deserve that. He still has worth and they treated him like dirt.

Drez
02-06-2013, 12:25 AM
i guess your right. But when I saw how he was treated by SF after he came back from his injury I felt bad for him. He didnt deserve that. He still has worth and they treated him like dirt.Agreed.

myles2424
02-06-2013, 02:08 AM
I don't know if Hosley is well suited to play oustide. As Redeye and Slip have mentioned, if we can find a CB in FA that would be an improvement at a lower cost than Webster, then send him packing. But, as the roster stands now (even with a projected rookie in the mix) I'd rather take my chances with Webster another year. Yeah, he played poorly this year, but he wasn't getting lit up like the Baltimore game all season, either.

I don't think anyone necessarily wants him off the team.....I'd want to take my chances with him again,problem is he had a hard time with every legit WR he saw & his enormous salary.......
It is a risk to flat out cut him, my guess is a big paycut......
If its either paycut or goodbye, I'd expect him to go with it.....no team in the NFL is going to give Webster even half of the $$$ he's due in 2013

giantsfan420
02-06-2013, 04:18 AM
is it possible we re-sign boley at a vet min. number? maybe he doesnt get any bidders in FA (doubtful) and we can get him back at super cheap. Boley still showed me something this season. Early on, he actually was moving pretty well...he got burned out as the year went on imo

Giants5699
02-06-2013, 04:53 AM
I have a feeling that Tuck, Diehl, Baas, Canty, Bradshaw and one of Webster or Rolle are on the way out as well. I'd shop Tuck on the trade market as he can probably bring in at least a 3rd round pick... I'd trade all of them for the best draft pick offers. Now is the time to rebuild and make the team younger.

Harooni
02-06-2013, 06:58 AM
nice job reese it was nessasary given salary and age and performance(not bad but not great).

Flip Empty
02-06-2013, 07:24 AM
i guess your right. But when I saw how he was treated by SF after he came back from his injury I felt bad for him. He didnt deserve that. He still has worth and they treated him like dirt.
At least he's still clueless as to what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl.

Drez
02-06-2013, 07:26 AM
is it possible we re-sign boley at a vet min. number? maybe he doesnt get any bidders in FA (doubtful) and we can get him back at super cheap. Boley still showed me something this season. Early on, he actually was moving pretty well...he got burned out as the year went on imoNo. We didn't even ask him to take a paycut first.

Drez
02-06-2013, 07:28 AM
I have a feeling that Tuck, Diehl, Baas, Canty, Bradshaw and one of Webster or Rolle are on the way out as well. I'd shop Tuck on the trade market as he can probably bring in at least a 3rd round pick... I'd trade all of them for the best draft pick offers. Now is the time to rebuild and make the team younger.Baas and Bradshaw aren't going anywhere. We will LOSE money by cutting them. Webster's only gone if we find another CB in FA; Rolle's only gone if we decide to re-sign KP; Canty's not going anywhere unless we pick up a solid DT somewhere.

You can look at high salaries all you want, but if we're going to lose money or create a gaping hole at a position chances are better than not that that guy is staying.

Drez
02-06-2013, 07:31 AM
I don't think anyone necessarily wants him off the team.....I'd want to take my chances with him again,problem is he had a hard time with every legit WR he saw & his enormous salary.......
It is a risk to flat out cut him, my guess is a big paycut......
If its either paycut or goodbye, I'd expect him to go with it.....no team in the NFL is going to give Webster even half of the $$$ he's due in 2013Webster was in position on a lot of the plays he gave up, he just didn't track the ball. We also had pretty poor safety play most of the year, which led to a lot of the big burns. I'm saying it's just as likely that Webster has a rebound year than it is that he has another ****ty year.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 08:00 AM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/michael_boley_cut_as_giants_st.html

Excerpt: "They let me know they’re moving things for the team in a different direction," Boley said when reached by phone.

Boley’s could be the first of a series of changes made to the Giants’ defense, which finished 31st in the league and gave up a franchise record 6,134 total yards. They signed Boley in 2009 as a top free-agent target, and he started for much of the past four seasons at weakside linebacker, including during last year’s Super Bowl XLVI championship.

After the Giants stumbled to miss the playoffs with a 9-7 record, it was clear some changes to their veteran core may be coming. Boley, an eight-year veteran, was due $4.25 million this year.

Boley said Reese did not ask him to take a pay cut first, which may be an indication of the "different direction" the Giants plan to go. Defensive Justin Tuck hinted at some defensive changes last week, saying the Giants would have a "different attack" for the offenses led by Redskins QB Robert Griffin III and Eagles coach Chip Kelly that have invaded the NFC East. But Tuck was not speaking about personnel, and it’s not clear if his comments relate to what Reese told Boley.

Perhaps Boley’s reduced playing time late in the season was an indication of what was to come. He was one of the designated defensive players who wears the communication helmet, but he went from playing nearly 100 percent of the snaps in some games to 49, 25 and 27 percent of the defensive plays in the final three games of the year.

Boley said he was dealing with a shoulder contusion, one of a run of smaller injuries he dealt with last season, which played into the coaches’ decision to go with fresher players late in the year. Boley, who signed with the Giants after losing his starting job in Atlanta, told Reese he was thankful for some of the best years of his career in New Jersey.

"You do realize this is a business," Boley said. "Right now, all I can do is be thankful they gave me a second chance after leaving Atlanta. I had four tremendous years here. ... I won a ring here, something some people never get to do." Read more...

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 08:01 AM
It seems the Giants are using the offseason to defensively gear up for flood of mobile QBs coming our of college. Whose next to go?

penguinfarmer
02-06-2013, 08:03 AM
Different threads are being merged as one correct?

penguinfarmer
02-06-2013, 08:07 AM
I'm glad it was very amicable at least. I know he had a lot of frustration with Atlanta for being phased out.

miked1958
02-06-2013, 08:55 AM
Now they'll need to bring in younger faster defensive players who can chase down those mobile QBs. Look at the list of players coming out of Alabama. They pride themselves by having fastest players on D. That is why when other schools see them for the first time their shocked cause they have nothing to gauge it by. Case in point the much hyped first game last season vs Michigan. Denard Robinson thought he would run all over them. He was wrong. The DLine and LBers were flying around and Denard had a long day

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 09:00 AM
Different threads are being merged as one correct?

Yes, they are all about the same subject, in this case, Boley

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 09:08 AM
Also possible but don't think so if you ask me. Already thin at CB and if the possibility to get strong at CB turns out to be via draft and if Rhodes is available I think the Giants will jump all over him. As long as the Giants find a starting corner for less than 8 million this season they save money cutting Webster, its very possible

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 09:12 AM
nice job reese it was nessasary given salary and age and performance(not bad but not great). Jwill ,Paysinger, resign Rivers cheap Giants have plenty of in house options at that spot. Those 3 guys cost less than Boley combined.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 09:18 AM
Jwill ,Paysinger, resign Rivers cheap Giants have plenty of in house options at that spot. Those 3 guys cost less than Boley combined.

Williams and Rivers both like to get injured though... we're going to need a late round OLB for depth alongside Paysinger...

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=Toadofsteel;678298]Williams and Rivers both like to get injured though... we're going to need a late round OLB for depth alongside Paysinger...[/QUOTE Yeah they get banged up but between the 3 of them I dont see that spot being an issue. Getting a MLB is much more important

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 09:23 AM
True. I'm wondering if Reese dares to cut too many of our guys and risk taking us out of competition Is that taking into account T Thomas contract he is definitely getting cut . Thats like 6 or 7 million right there

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 09:27 AM
Only if you think Rhodes is that much better than guys that they can find later. Im not so sure he is. None of these CB's truly stand out to me. I dont think Milliner is even as good as Prince as a prospect

TCHOF
02-06-2013, 09:38 AM
i guess your right. But when I saw how he was treated by SF after he came back from his injury I felt bad for him. He didnt deserve that. He still has worth and they treated him like dirt.

Eh, his own mouth is his worst enemy sometimes

gumby74
02-06-2013, 09:46 AM
Interesting. Different direction?

titwio
02-06-2013, 09:47 AM
Canty talks abouts Boley's cut

http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/2/6/3958594/new-york-giants-news-michael-boley-chris-canty-2014-super-bowl-prince-amukamara (http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/2/6/3958594/new-york-giants-news-michael-boley-chris-canty-2014-super-bowl-prince-amukamara)

ryan12
02-06-2013, 09:50 AM
Diehl rolle webster and bradshaw should be cut as well.

and canty

TheAnalyst
02-06-2013, 10:28 AM
The problem is, Rivers and JWill are always hurting.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 10:33 AM
None of these CB's truly stand out to me. I dont think Milliner is even as good as Prince as a prospect

Yea. Im still struggling with the top CBs. Think 2nd-3rd round the guys are just about as good as the top guys. Much more value taking one a bit later.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 10:34 AM
Real significance of this is once they release T2 they will be under the cap.

GameTime
02-06-2013, 10:35 AM
The LB group is not much better with Boley if at all. No diss on him but the group as a whole is underperforming...
The Giants save a need 4mil....good sound business move

Carter.525
02-06-2013, 10:46 AM
Spencer Paysinger and Jacquian Williams are expected to compete for the Giants' starting MLB job.

This duo showed enough over the final three games of the season to let the Giants feel comfortable cutting Michael Boley Tuesday. It's a position battle for IDP owners to watch as Boley was able to average 6.2 tackles per game during his four-year run manning the middle of Giants' 4-3 scheme.
Related: Jacquian Williams (http://boards.giants.com/player/nfl/6706/jacquian-williams)

Source: New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-part-ways-lb-boley-seasons-article-1.1256210)

huh..?? MLB..??

miked1958
02-06-2013, 07:41 PM
Canty was sad about Boley yesterday. Wonder how he feels today noe that his name is on the same Cut list

miked1958
02-06-2013, 07:47 PM
I still don't see the need for him. Brown did very well in short yardage situations. Bradshaw is a tough sledder and Wilson is a speed back with a fair amount of power. I just don't see where he fits. Which is unfortunate, as I've always liked the big lug.how o you feel now with the news of AB1 getting cut

sskeller
02-06-2013, 07:55 PM
No surprise. Williams = younger, faster, cheaper